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Is liberalism dying? Pew Study finds MSNBC 85% opinion
« on: March 04, 2015, 10:20:08 AM »
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/chi-jonah-goldberg-msnbc-liberals-roran-farrow-20150227-column.html


Is liberalism dying?

MSNBC tried to be the Fox News of the left, but has clearly failed miserably


Canaries are not very formidable birds, but they have their uses. For instance, coal miners learned over a century ago that when canaries gag and drop dead at the bottom of the cage, it’s a sign that maybe there’s something wrong with the air in the mine.

MSNBC is not a very formidable network, but its wheezing is similarly instructive. MSNBC’s slogan is “Lean Forward,” which has a robust sound to it. But it turns out the phrase is a more apt descriptor of how the peacock network’s mini-me is poised to teeter off its perch and plunge beak-first into the droppings-stained pages of the fading New Republic below.

Obama has a singular skill: getting Barack Obama elected.
- Jonah Goldberg
It is suffering “cataclysmic ratings declines” (in Politico’s words) from already mediocre ratings to begin with. The hope had been that Ronan Farrow, the Prius-dashboard saint of Brooklyn hipsters and the son of Mia Farrow and Woody Allen (or Frank Sinatra), would, like David Hasselhoff in “Baywatch,” leap into the waters and save the drowning network. It turned out that Farrow’s flotation device was a messenger bag full of bricks. His show has been canceled, as has Joy Reid’s daily show. Other MSNBC stars are being followed around by the Grim Reaper. Al Sharpton, a race-baiting tax cheat with blood on his hands, is slated to be moved out of his 6 p.m. slot, presumably so he can spend more time with his wayward teleprompter.


MSNBC had thought it could mimic Fox News’ success, from the left. The problem is that it never understood what Fox News is. MSNBC’s execs saw it through the prism of their own ideological bias and so ended up offering a left-wing caricature of a caricature. Contrary to myth, Fox (where I am a contributor) is in fact an actual news network, albeit with prime-time opinion shows. Meanwhile, a study by Pew found that MSNBC was 85 percent opinion.

Ronan Farrow and Joy Reid pulled from MSNBC daytime for Thomas Roberts
Ronan Farrow and Joy Reid pulled from MSNBC daytime for Thomas Roberts
The more salient point is that there’s such a small appetite for that opinion. As Josh Kraushaar of the National Journal recently observed, President Barack Obama has successfully moved his party to the left but has failed utterly to bring the rest of the country with him. In 2012, James Stimson, arguably America’s leading expert on U.S. public opinion, found that the country was more conservative than at any time since 1952.

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This might seem counterintuitive given that Obama was re-elected in 2012, but there’s an obvious explanation. Obama has a singular skill: getting Barack Obama elected. In all of the elections since 2008, he has shown a remarkable inability to get anyone else elected or to move public opinion in his favor. (Obamacare, for instance, remains stubbornly unpopular.) Measured in terms of statehouses, state legislatures, and House and Senate seats, the GOP is stronger today than any point since the 1920s. If you still think Obama has generous coattails, ask Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel for a second opinion.

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The big lie of TV news
The president is unbowed, of course. He’s unilaterally using — and abusing — the powers of his office to legalize illegal immigration, throw a wet blanket on cheap energy and turn the Internet into a government-regulated utility. He has the support of his dwindling party and the equally dwindling mainstream media. But even here his policy agenda is as threadbare as his cultural legacy. A majority of Americans believe race relations have gotten worse since he was elected.

Meanwhile, the cultural left has disengaged from mainstream political arguments, preferring instead the comforts of identity-politics argy-bargy. You judge political movements not by their manifestos but by where they put their passion. And on the left these days, the only things that arouse passion are arguments about race and gender.


For instance, the feminist agitprop drama “The Vagina Monologues” is now under fire from the left because it is not inclusive of men who believe they are women. Patricia Arquette was criticized from the right for her Oscar acceptance rant about women’s wage equality, but the criticism paled in comparison to the bile from the left, which flayed her for leaving out the plight of the transgendered and other members of the Coalition of the Oppressed.

Such critiques may seem like a cutting edge fight for the future among the protagonists, but looked at from the political center, it suggests political exhaustion. At least old-fashioned Marxists talked about the economy.

Of course, liberalism isn’t dead, it’s just resting. But it certainly could use an exciting, charismatic savior to breathe new life and fresh thinking into its ranks. Thank goodness Hillary Clinton is waiting in the wings.

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Re: Is liberalism dying? Pew Study finds MSNBC 85% opinion
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2015, 10:23:17 AM »
No, it's the Republican Party that's dead.  I read it right here on getbig.com. 

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Re: Is liberalism dying? Pew Study finds MSNBC 85% opinion
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2015, 10:23:38 AM »
Dying?  Maybe.  But certainly not at the rate of the far right decline.

Dem 36% / Rep 50% -- Which party is too extreme?
Dem 59% / Rep 36% -- ...tolerant and open to all groups of people?
Dem 52% / Rep 48% -- ...has good policy ideas?
Dem 60% / Rep 43% -- ...cares about the middle class?
(Source: Pew Research Poll conducted Feb 18-22, 2015)

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Re: Is liberalism dying? Pew Study finds MSNBC 85% opinion
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2015, 10:27:17 AM »
I wish the far right and the far left would die off.
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Re: Is liberalism dying? Pew Study finds MSNBC 85% opinion
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2015, 11:11:17 AM »
No, it's the Republican Party that's dead.  I read it right here on getbig.com. 

not dead - just split.

Half the party is middle/centrist RINOS, that are okay with amnesty, min wage, etc - Candidates like Christie, Rubio, Jeb.  The other half of the party are far-right tea partiers... Cruz, walker, rand, etc.  They're 2 separate parties, and they don't vote the same in general elections.  President Mccain and President Romney can tell us that.

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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2015, 11:16:13 AM »
not dead - just split.

Half the party is middle/centrist RINOS, that are okay with amnesty, min wage, etc - Candidates like Christie, Rubio, Jeb.  The other half of the party are far-right tea partiers... Cruz, walker, rand, etc.  They're 2 separate parties, and they don't vote the same in general elections.  President Mccain and President Romney can tell us that.

The Tea Party is also split.  You have members who are standard religious social conservatives and you also have libertarians.
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Re: Is liberalism dying? Pew Study finds MSNBC 85% opinion
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2015, 11:18:48 AM »
I wish the far right and the far left would die off.

I second that

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Re: Is liberalism dying? Pew Study finds MSNBC 85% opinion
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2015, 11:26:26 AM »
The Tea Party is also split.  You have members who are standard religious social conservatives and you also have libertarians.

truth.

The dem party isn't split much at all.  They might disagree a little on Iraq, but really, the wars starting 2001 and 2003 are too long ago for many young voters, to be honest.  It's more of an occupation most don't notice, like SKorea or Germany, etc. 

Repubs need to break up the party or unite.  They gotta realize that.  Trying to pretend this giant chasm isn't there led to big losses in 2008 and 2012.  In 2012, obama was polling lower than carter was lol, entirely beatable!

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Re: Is liberalism dying? Pew Study finds MSNBC 85% opinion
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2015, 11:35:02 AM »
not dead - just split.

Half the party is middle/centrist RINOS, that are okay with amnesty, min wage, etc - Candidates like Christie, Rubio, Jeb.  The other half of the party are far-right tea partiers... Cruz, walker, rand, etc.  They're 2 separate parties, and they don't vote the same in general elections.  President Mccain and President Romney can tell us that.

Not dead.  Not dying. 

Nobody really cares much about RINOS. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2015, 11:45:00 AM »
truth.

The dem party isn't split much at all.  They might disagree a little on Iraq, but really, the wars starting 2001 and 2003 are too long ago for many young voters, to be honest.  It's more of an occupation most don't notice, like SKorea or Germany, etc. 

Repubs need to break up the party or unite.  They gotta realize that.  Trying to pretend this giant chasm isn't there led to big losses in 2008 and 2012.  In 2012, obama was polling lower than carter was lol, entirely beatable!

There are cracks and these cracks will only grow larger over time.  The biggest conflict on the horizon isn't white/Hispanic or even white/black but Hispanic/black.  Right now blacks are playing the useful idiots for the Hispanic agenda but that's not going to last. When Hispanics get the numbers they strong arm blacks out of the way  Hispanics are pushing out blacks from their neighbors and the tension is high between the two communities. Hispanics are also leap frogging blacks in every metric of success.
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Re: Is liberalism dying? Pew Study finds MSNBC 85% opinion
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2015, 11:49:49 AM »
There are cracks and these cracks will only grow larger over time.  The biggest conflict on the horizon isn't white/Hispanic or even white/black but Hispanic/black.  Right now blacks are playing the useful idiots for the Hispanic agenda but that's not going to last. When Hispanics get the numbers they strong arm blacks out of the way  Hispanics are pushing out blacks from their neighbors and the tension is high between the two communities. Hispanics are also leap frogging blacks in every metric of success.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/detroit-reverend-claims-drinking-water-supply-as-bad-as-the-holocaust/

Detroit Reverend Claims Drinking Water Supply as Bad as the Holocaust



Reverend Charles Williams, president of the Detroit chapter of Al Sharpton’s National Action Network, came under scrutiny Wednesday for his comments that the drinking water in Flint, Michigan was approaching Holocaust levels.

Williams first said the water supply in Flint “almost as bad as gas chambers for Jews” while delivering bottled water to underprivileged areas Monday. When a local reporter for WJBK confronted him, he stood by the comments.

“The city of Flint’s residents are being sold bad water and being told to like it,” he said. “That’s just as unjust as slavery, that’s just as unjust as genocide. …An injustice is an injustice, whether its an injustice inside a concentration camp or an injustice on a slave plantation.”

“It’s an injustice in Flint where you’re being forced to purchase bad water,” he added. “We should stand against it all and I do.”

The local reporter reminded him that “people died in the Holocaust,” and Williams did clarify that he was not endorsing the Holocaust.

Somewhat less importantly, Williams also offended the city of Flint, which acknowledged its water problems but placed them at sub-Shoah levels.


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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2015, 12:13:39 PM »
I wish the far right and the far left would die off.

+1

This board would lose Coach though

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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2015, 12:14:04 PM »
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/detroit-reverend-claims-drinking-water-supply-as-bad-as-the-holocaust/

Detroit Reverend Claims Drinking Water Supply as Bad as the Holocaust



Reverend Charles Williams, president of the Detroit chapter of Al Sharpton’s National Action Network, came under scrutiny Wednesday for his comments that the drinking water in Flint, Michigan was approaching Holocaust levels.

Williams first said the water supply in Flint “almost as bad as gas chambers for Jews” while delivering bottled water to underprivileged areas Monday. When a local reporter for WJBK confronted him, he stood by the comments.

“The city of Flint’s residents are being sold bad water and being told to like it,” he said. “That’s just as unjust as slavery, that’s just as unjust as genocide. …An injustice is an injustice, whether its an injustice inside a concentration camp or an injustice on a slave plantation.”

“It’s an injustice in Flint where you’re being forced to purchase bad water,” he added. “We should stand against it all and I do.”

The local reporter reminded him that “people died in the Holocaust,” and Williams did clarify that he was not endorsing the Holocaust.

Somewhat less importantly, Williams also offended the city of Flint, which acknowledged its water problems but placed them at sub-Shoah levels.



While Hispanics form vibrant communities places like Flint will continue to languish in ineptitude and poverty.

+1

This board would lose Coach though

Then everyone else would leave because they wouldn't have someone to argue with.  ;D
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Re: Is liberalism dying? Pew Study finds MSNBC 85% opinion
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2015, 12:31:44 PM »
While Hispanics form vibrant communities places like Flint will continue to languish in ineptitude and poverty.

Then everyone else would leave because they wouldn't have someone to argue with.  ;D


I thought you might get a kick out of that Detroit story.  :)

What you are saying about Hispanics taking over is legit though. The Black Caucus will be extremely marginalized within the next couple decades and the districts will be ran mainly by Hispanics. You'll never hear the left talking about it but it is just a matter of time.


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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2015, 12:42:10 PM »
Not dead.  Not dying. 

Nobody really cares much about RINOS. 

The GOP does.  As evident by who they run on their national ticket.  Or else the religious dingbats would fare much better.  How did Perry, Bachmann, Frothy, and Huck do again?

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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2015, 12:52:13 PM »
Perry....failed....was not prepared but appears to be now. Huck represents a part of the GOP that is dying. Evangelicals are giving up on some of the social issues that used to drive then batshit crazy over the past 20 years. Bachmann is an idiot....

So that leaves guys like Cruz...unelectable but smart. Rubio....more center then most but not in the Jed category. Walker is fine but he expected to come on gradual and not spring to the top in popularity. He's not prepared right now for alot of foreign policy related questions. Rand Paul.....no idea, he's popular but I'm not sure how he plays in a general against Hil. Any of these people including the dump I just took should smoke biden/sanders/warren/gore if there's no Hil.
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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2015, 12:55:13 PM »
The GOP does.  As evident by who they run on their national ticket.  Or else the religious dingbats would fare much better.  How did Perry, Bachmann, Frothy, and Huck do again?

People running on the national ticket has nothing to do with the GOP wanting to run RINOs.  It's about name recognition and fundraising, for the large part. 

Why are you asking about how Perry et al. did?  Don't you follow politics?  Try using Google.  Not that hard to figure out what happened. 

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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2015, 01:02:48 PM »
Perry....failed....was not prepared but appears to be now.

Perry will never be prepared.  Not even in a dozen life times.


Huck represents a part of the GOP that is dying.

Truth!

Evangelicals are giving up on some of the social issues that used to drive then batshit crazy over the past 20 years.

I don't think they are giving up on the issues as much as support from the younger base towards the issues is dying out.  

Bachmann is an idiot....

Truth!  Although some on here think she is "brilliant".  Then again, they are proven idiots themselves so no surprise there.

So that leaves guys like Cruz...unelectable but smart.

Agree.  He won't amount to anything but a sounding board for extreme voices.  Which make other candidates of his party either adapt their views or distance themselves from him.

Rubio....more center then most but not in the Jed category.

Doesn't matter.  Dude is shaky and flaky at this point so far.  I'm willing to bet he won't even run.  The only reason he "hasn't decided" to announce he is running (or not running) is because he already knows he won't run at all, he is just using the suspense and attention for his book tour.  Which in a way isn't a bad idea since if he states he won't run, the sales will drop.

Walker is fine but he expected to come on gradual and not spring to the top in popularity. He's not prepared right now for alot of foreign policy related questions.

Not ready in 2016

Rand Paul.....no idea, he's popular but I'm not sure how he plays in a general against Hil.

His biggest opponent isn't Hillary, but rather his own establishment.  They are not going to give it to him anyway.

Any of these people including the dump I just took should smoke biden/sanders/warren/gore if there's no Hil.

Agree.  Although I don't know what your dump is like (and don't want to know).  If Hillary doesn't run, the Dems are going to be screwed in finding a candidate that will do well

Agree on most of your comments.

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2015, 01:07:37 PM »
People running on the national ticket has nothing to do with the GOP wanting to run RINOs.  It's about name recognition and fundraising, for the large part. 

Why are you asking about how Perry et al. did?  Don't you follow politics?  Try using Google.  Not that hard to figure out what happened. 

Oh I know how he did.  (And Bachmann, Huck, Frothy)  Apparently you don't.  Or else you wouldn't have made such a stupid statement of :

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Nobody really cares much about RINOS.

If no one cares about the RINOs, then why the hell are they always the ones to emerge from the primaries after the fundies have fallen to the way side?  Oh wait... I know... because obviously people DO care more for RINOs than they do for right wing dingbats.

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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2015, 01:13:13 PM »
I thought you might get a kick out of that Detroit story.  :)

What you are saying about Hispanics taking over is legit though. The Black Caucus will be extremely marginalized within the next couple decades and the districts will be ran mainly by Hispanics. You'll never hear the left talking about it but it is just a matter of time.



Very prescience video.  I hadnt seen it before.  It's a future that will not benefit blacks.  The infighting and fracturing will be glorious to watch. 
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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2015, 01:13:50 PM »
Oh I know how he did.  (And Bachmann, Huck, Frothy)  Apparently you don't.  Or else you wouldn't have made such a stupid statement of :

If no one cares about the RINOs, then why the hell are they always the ones to emerge from the primaries after the fundies have fallen to the way side?  Oh wait... I know... because obviously people DO care more for RINOs than they do for right wing dingbats.

Why the heck are you asking if you already know?  Do you have Down's Syndrome or something? 

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2015, 01:16:05 PM »
Very prescience video.  I hadnt seen it before.  It's a future that will not benefit blacks.  The infighting and fracturing will be glorious to watch.  

Will they be able to take advantage of any "Hispanic Guilt" once all their political power is taken away from them?  :D

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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2015, 01:17:53 PM »
Why the heck are you asking if you already know?  Do you have Down's Syndrome or something? 

Viewing your posts, I suspect you do.  Or at least something that renders you immune to facts, logic and common sense.  

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2015, 01:19:29 PM »
Will they be able to take advantage of any "Hispanic Guilt" once all their political power is taken away from them? :D

I was going to mention guilt.  The greatest weapon they have will be useless against Hispanics.  Like I said, useful idiots.
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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2015, 01:21:31 PM »
I was going to mention guilt.  The greatest weapon they have will be useless against Hispanics.  Like I said, useful idiots.

I liked the part where the Hispanic candidate blatantly announced that Harlem is "our" district now.