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For the historical aspect, and not "convert"? I ask, because I believe most that aren't into that, will read it in a moment of vulnerability and ultimately be looking for something and become born again or whatever. My question, anyone read any of these books, put them down when done reading, and think, "huh, well that was entertaining" and move on? Any of you atheist convert after reading? I'd like your input getbig.
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Yeah, they are all garbage.
Check this out:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2010/0928/In-US-atheists-know-religion-better-than-believers.-Is-that-bad
In US, atheists know religion better than believers. Is that bad?
A new study shows that many devout Americans know less about religion than do atheists. To some observers, it suggests a shallowness of faith. To others, it is evidence that Americans know the spirit better than the letter of religion.
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The US Religious Knowledge Survey, released Tuesday from the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, found atheists and agnostics know more basic facts about the Bible than either Protestants or Catholics.
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http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/28/nation/la-na-religion-survey-20100928
Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says
Report says nonbelievers know more, on average, about religion than most faithful. Jews and Mormons also score high on the U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey.
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http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/28/nation/la-na-religion-survey-20100928
Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says
Report says nonbelievers know more, on average, about religion than most faithful. Jews and Mormons also score high on the U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey.
I'm telling you, those are two squared away groups of people. The religion is run more businesslike than some evangelical idiot who is lining his own pockets fleecing the congregation, and doing the opposite of what he says one should do. I have a buddy that goes to a church where the pastor lives in a three million dollar house and flies a helicopter to services. But hey, he's got "charisma" ::)
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I have read most of them. NRP.
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I have read most of them. NRP.
NRP = no reply? ???
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Dragonforce is my religion 8) :D
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ttt for 2,000.
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bible, quran, torah, talmud, sanskrit, etc
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I have found that atheists are very smart people. Well read in the religious texts
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I'm telling you, those are two squared away groups of people. The religion is run more businesslike than some evangelical idiot who is lining his own pockets fleecing the congregation, and doing the opposite of what he says one should do. I have a buddy that goes to a church where the pastor lives in a three million dollar house and flies a helicopter to services. But hey, he's got "charisma" ::)
piousness, no way!
Watch Black Dynamite, the episode where he meets his dad, Daddy Dynamite, who is preacher who fleeces the neighborhood.
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No Religious Preference
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I was an agnostic, afraid to call a spade a spade. Then I read the bible (NT only) and the quran. Now I'm an atheist.
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I was an agnostic, afraid to call a spade a spade. Then I read the bible (NT only) and the quran. Now I'm an atheist.
Lol.
How's work?
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There's a Satan ;D
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I was an agnostic, afraid to call a spade a spade. Then I read the bible (NT only) and the quran. Now I'm an atheist.
why only the New Testament?
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Good thread. I was actually going to start reading the bible. Having a child on the way has me thinking I need to better educate myself on religion. Being a science nerd it's going to be tough to do though.
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Good thread. I was actually going to start reading the bible. Having a child on the way has me thinking I need to better educate myself on religion. Being a science nerd it's going to be tough to do though.
I understand where you're coming from. I had a baby ten days ago and it really gets your brain going. I love history and was going to read the Old Testament for the history aspect of it. I don't really believe in any religion, but think there is something out there, maybe like the movie "Mission to Mars" where we came from aliens or something.
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Good thread. I was actually going to start reading the bible. Having a child on the way has me thinking I need to better educate myself on religion. Being a science nerd it's going to be tough to do though.
not really...as a child I was reading The Animal Encyclopedia and the Dinosaur Dictionary (very technical stuff for a 4th grader) as well as The bible...
You take what they are at face value...and I believe it's time for me to get back into reading the Bible as well. It's sitting right on my counter.
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I understand where you're coming from. I had a baby ten days ago and it really gets your brain going. I love history and was going to read the Old Testament for the history aspect of it. I don't really believe in any religion, but think there is something out there, maybe like the movie "Mission to Mars" where we came from aliens or something.
Congratulations! Makes sense that having a child would cause one to better understand all religions. I've always been very harsh on the subject, basically stating anyone of religious faith,flat out can't have a brain. Trying to change that giving my child the chance to make that call on their own without influence. Possible? Doubtful.
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Congratulations! Makes sense that having a child would cause one to better understand all religions. I've always been very harsh on the subject, basically stating anyone of religious faith,flat out can't have a brain. Trying to change that giving my child the chance to make that call on their own without influence. Possible? Doubtful.
Probably what I'll do. Maybe take him to a non denominational, then let him figure it out as I did. My wife is a believer, but we don't argue over it. I do get a little bit of an atheist on a turbulent plane though. ;D
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Good thread. I was actually going to start reading the bible. Having a child on the way has me thinking I need to better educate myself on religion. Being a science nerd it's going to be tough to do though.
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Why would you bother doing this? ???
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Why are you people "going back to the bible"? There is nothing in it worth a shit. Its nothing but violence and nonsense? You want your child to be a Violent, Superstitious Moron? ???
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Lol.
How's work?
Work's great! Actually changed position again (temporary this time) because they needed me back at my old department, where I'm now replacng my former boss until the end of the ear. Yay baby boomers retiring. ;D
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why only the New Testament?
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/34931915.jpg)
Also, I already had some idea what the OT was about. Now I'm all for smiting and being vengeful etc., but I've learned it gets me in trouble. So I was only interested in the peaceful later words ascribed to that deity, not the preceding, totally contradictory material.
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Why are you people "going back to the bible"? There is nothing in it worth a shit. Its nothing but violence and nonsense? You want your child to be a Violent, Superstitious Moron? ???
Lol, no, but there are probably some good stories in there to help with development. A lot of subliminal things that are in media and everywhere for that matter. I was in the pediatricians this morning and a movie/cartoon was on about a baby sea turtle and there was pollution everywhere in the ocean. He got his head caught on a bag and couldn't breathe. I can only imagine that it's there to get your kid to not litter in the ocean, which is a good thing. On the bible, I find that type of history fascinating. I took my honeymoon to Italy and Germany, and we did the crypts and catacombs tours. You see these different religious relics, and it's quite interesting. They talked about a pagan god, mattras(sp?) that had essentially the same back story as Jesus, but for some reason, Christianity survived and paganism didn't. The world is a fascinating place, and I just want to learn all I can about it.
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Why would you bother doing this? ???
Mainly to better state my point on why I believe what I believe. I can't just say I think the bible is a book of fiction. Better yet a comedy at that. I need better references.
I don't believe in Santa or the Easter bunny but I still might play along with that game with my child.
To make matters more complex my family is Jewish.
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Lol, no, but there are probably some good stories in there to help with development. A lot of subliminal things that are in media and everywhere for that matter. I was in the pediatricians this morning and a movie/cartoon was on about a baby sea turtle and there was pollution everywhere in the ocean. He got his head caught on a bag and couldn't breathe. I can only imagine that it's there to get your kid to not litter in the ocean, which is a good thing. On the bible, I find that type of history fascinating. I took my honeymoon to Italy and Germany, and we did the crypts and catacombs tours. You see these different religious relics, and it's quite interesting. They talked about a pagan god, mattras(sp?) that had essentially the same back story as Jesus, but for some reason, Christianity survived and paganism didn't. The world is a fascinating place, and I just want to learn all I can about it.
Aesop`s Fables and James Thurber`s Fables of Our Time are much better than the bible. Don`t ruin your child with that nonsense in the bible.
Here:
The Peacelike Mongoose
by James Thurber
In cobra country a mongoose was born one day who didn't want to fight cobras or anything else. The word spread from mongoose to mongoose that there was a mongoose who didn't want to fight cobras. If he didn't want to fight anything else, it was his own business, but it was the duty of every mongoose to kill cobras or be killed by cobras.
"Why?" asked the peacelike mongoose, and the word went around that the strange new mongoose was not only pro-cobra and anti-mongoose but intellectually curious and against the ideals and traditions of mongooism.
"He is crazy," cried the young mongoose's father.
"He is sick," said his mother.
"He is a coward," shouted his brothers.
"He is a mongoosexual," whispered his sisters.
Strangers who had never laid eyes on the peacelike mongoose remembered that they had seen him crawling on his stomach, or trying on cobra hoods, or plotting the violent overthrow of Mongoosia.
"I am trying to use reason and intelligence," said the strange new mongoose.
"Reason is six-sevenths of treason," said one of his neighbors.
"Intelligence is what the enemy uses," said another.
Finally, the rumor spread that the mongoose had venom in his sting, like a cobra, and he was tried, convicted by a show of paws, and condemned to banishment.
Moral: Ashes to ashes, and clay to clay, if the enemy doesn't get you your own folks may.
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Actually anyone who reads the Quran, with an open mind, and puts in the extra research to understand it's verses, knows that it is simply not possible for that book to be anything other than revelation from God.
I have found having a serious religious discussion with most atheist is simply an exercise in futility. Some may have certain verses or historical facts memorized, but they lack a real comprehension of what they are reading.
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Actually anyone who reads the Quran, with an open mind, and puts in the extra research to understand it's verses, knows that it is simply not possible for that book to be anything other than revelation from God.
If your god is incapable of writing clearly, I'd doubt his complete skill set.
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If your god is incapable of writing clearly, I'd doubt his complete skill set.
its, not that what is written cannot be understood, but rather the READER cannot fully and deeply understand ALL of a certian verses meaning. for example you might get 1 or 2 out of 100 diffrent hidden meanings and lessons/wisdom a certain verse may contain. you could spend a few hours studying one verse to get a true understanding of what it is saying. thats why there are scholars who dedicate their lives to studying the Quran.
only a VERY small portion of the Quran is about Do's an Do nots. the rest is very imporant stories, which the human being should reflect upon.
Quran constantly tells humans to reflect and even challenges the reader.
hence why the average man should read the Quran, then go read a Tasfir.
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Hey true anus, when are you going to get your VHEMT's member card, mister "kids are disgusting" ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_human_extinction_movement
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The Quran actually makes several scientific claims that could not have been known without today's technology (microscopes, telescopes, etc).