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Bills would allow civil unions for gays
« on: January 28, 2007, 11:23:19 AM »
Funny how this unimportant issue comes up every legislative session in Hawaii (and probably in many other states).  It's wrongheaded. 

Bills would allow civil unions for gays
"I think it is past time to have the conversation," one senator says
By Richard Borreca
rborreca@starbulletin.com
Same-sex couples would have the legal benefits of marriage through a civil union, according to bills introduced in the Legislature.

The state Democratic party asked for the legislation, and Democrats in the House and Senate are supporting the bills.

In the Senate, Sen. Gary Hooser (D, Kauai-Niihau) introduced a bill, SB-1062, to permit two unrelated people at least 16 years old to apply for a civil-union license "without regard to gender."

The bill would extend the same rights and responsibilities of married spouses to partners in a civil union.

"I personally support the concept of allowing civil unions," Hooser said. "I think it is past time to have the conversation and move the issue forward. We should treat people equally."

In 1998, with the state Supreme Court poised to permit same-sex marriages, voters approved a state Constitutional amendment that gave Legislature power to define marriage.

The Legislature then approved a state law stating that marriage must be between two people of opposite sexes.

Legislators say the civil-union proposals would avoid the constitutional prohibition by saying it would be only a civil union.

"This is not a marriage," Hooser said.

Rep. Blake Oshiro (D, Aiea-Halawa) who is supporting the bill in the House, said "all people should be treated with tolerance" and explained that the bills are being written "to avoid the connotation that this is marriage."

"There are other states that have already passed this bill," Oshiro said. "We shouldn't be treating people as second-class citizens, especially if we believe in the ideas of tolerance and diversity. This is something that I think is very worthwhile."

Civil-union proponents have attracted an important ally in Debi Hartmann, the former director of Hawaii Future Today, a organization formed to stop same-sex marriage in Hawaii.

Hartmann says civil unions would be an answer.

"Where my position has not changed is in the defense of marriage as the union between a man and woman," Hartmann said. "One of the things this civil-union bill does not impact is the current marriage language."

But, Hartmann said, the bill in the Legislature "is really striking out in new territory."

"It is acknowledging that there are legal relationships that need to have identities. I believe there needs to be a legal relationship for gays and lesbians," Hartmann said.

Others, however, say the bill is neither needed nor wanted.

Kelly Rosati, Hawaii Family Forum executive director, said the civil-union bills under consideration are "simply everything that is marriage by another name."

"It is all the rights and benefits of marriage, but it is called civil unions," she said. "We think it becomes virtually indistinguishable."

Both supporters and opponents of the civil-union legislation also fear that it will become another round in the divisive same-sex marriage debate.

About 10 years ago, Hawaii became the first state to seriously consider same-sex marriage, and the resulting debate became a bitter political fight that forced politicians to declare whether they were for or against same-sex marriage.

Several state legislators said they lost their re-election campaigns because of their stand in favor of same-sex marriage.

Father Marc Alexander, Hawaii Catholic Church vicar general, said he didn't "want to create a distraction when other critical issues must be addressed."

Rosati also sought to downplay the civil-union legislation, saying she hoped "leaders don't want to get sidetracked with divisive issues."

Hooser acknowledged that "this could be a hot-button issue that a lot of people would avoid," but added that fellow Democrats have told him "the time has come" to move forward with the debate.

"It is a concern that the whole perception is that this is going to be a hot-potato divisive issue.

"At the same time, for those of us who believe it is the right thing to do, I don't think we should hesitate or not put this issue forward because we are afraid of controversy," Hooser said.

Oshiro also acknowledged that civil unions will be a controversial issue, but said the Legislature should be able discuss it.

"It's very controversial, but I think the Legislature is the place for public forum and debate," Oshiro said.

Vermont approved a civil-union law in 2000 and Connecticut allowed civil unions in 2005. New Jersey has passed a civil-union law that is expected to take effect next month. Massachusetts is the only state that allows same-sex marriage.

California's state law permits domestic partnerships.

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Re: Bills would allow civil unions for gays
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2007, 11:35:25 AM »
Funny how this unimportant issue comes up every legislative session in Hawaii (and probably in many other states).  It's wrongheaded. 

Funny how you spend so much time posting about this obviously unimportant and disctraction issue.

hey, in the ONE MINUTE it took me to read that, the US spent $139,000 in Iraq.


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Re: Bills would allow civil unions for gays
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2007, 11:42:37 AM »
"this unimportant issue comes up every legislative session in Hawaii (and probably in many other states)."   ::) 

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Re: Bills would allow civil unions for gays
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2007, 11:55:23 AM »
"this unimportant issue comes up every legislative session in Hawaii (and probably in many other states)."   ::) 

yall shoud be more concerned about global warming.

We'll haev to just start calling you "Bum" when your beach is underwater with your home.

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Re: Bills would allow civil unions for gays
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2007, 11:59:07 AM »
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Re: Bills would allow civil unions for gays
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2007, 12:00:54 PM »
how many feet above sea level are you?

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Re: Bills would allow civil unions for gays
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2007, 12:10:19 PM »
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Re: Bills would allow civil unions for gays
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2007, 11:21:14 PM »
Marriage is not a right.

For some reason, gays and their liberal lackeys never grasp this.

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Re: Bills would allow civil unions for gays
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2007, 12:19:41 AM »
I think some kind of Civil Unions are in order, but Marriage?  Nope thats already reserved for the rest of us.
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Re: Bills would allow civil unions for gays
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2007, 12:26:36 AM »
yall shoud be more concerned about global warming.

We'll haev to just start calling you "Bum" when your beach is underwater with your home.

Yep... and while he's missing the big picture of global warming,
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Re: Bills would allow civil unions for gays
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2007, 03:35:46 AM »
This is slightly off-topic, but anyways:

I've always thought gays and dykes should be allowed to have some kind of union, or marriage or whatever, get the same legal status as married couples in short.

But I've always opposed them getting kids.

Basically, I just don't dig the idea. I never had any real arguments against it.

I still don't feel very enthusiastic about it, I will admit that.

But I've changed my stance. It seems like those kids that have gay families gets a fair childhood, and better than many others.

Also, if there science can prove to me that gay couples are just as good parents, then I cannot be against that.

Even if I don't like the idea of it.

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Re: Bills would allow civil unions for gays
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2007, 09:46:49 AM »
Front page of today's Honolulu Advertiser:

Posted on: Monday, February 12, 2007
Civil union bills take legislative stage
By Treena Shapiro
Advertiser Government Writer

THE BILLS

Senate Bill 1062 and House Bill 908 would create a new law giving partners in civil unions the same rights and responsibilities as married spouses.

House Bill 1587 would ensure parity between unmarried and married couples by extending the benefits provided under the state's employer-union health benefits trust fund.
 
With gay marriage off the table in Hawai'i since its defeat in a 1998 election, supporters of contractual relationships for same-sex couples are hoping that calling them civil unions will ease their passage in this year's Legislature.

Bills before the House and Senate would afford same-sex couples the same rights and responsibilities as legally married couples without calling their relationship a marriage. Lawmakers say they plan to give the bills a hearing.

Proponents say it's about equal rights. Opponents say it's still eroding the tradition of marriage.

Kelly Rosati, executive director of the Hawai'i Family Forum, said she opposes civil unions because she feels that they codify same-sex marriages under a different title.

She said she would support amending state law to offer more benefits to same-sex couples as long as it "doesn't jeopardize the institution of marriage."

State Sen. Gary Hooser, who introduced one of the bills, said, "It's way past time we treat people equally under the law."

DIFFERENCES IN NAME

Hooser, D-7th (Kaua'i, Ni'ihau), said civil unions as proposed would be essentially the same as marriages. "I don't think there would be any differences except the name, and the name is important to a lot of people."

Akaloka Rivers and her partner, Victoria Snyder, want the same rights as married couples.

Rivers had two children with her ex-husband, who remains financially responsible for them.

Snyder, who made the decision to become a parent with her former same-sex partner, found her children had no legal rights under the law when her partner left. "She can't even fight for child support, even though they planned these children together," Rivers said.

After more than three years together, Rivers and Snyder consider themselves married, but their relationship is not recognized by the schools their children attend, nor would it be recognized by a hospital if one of the adults or one of their non-biological children needed medical care.

"It's the families who are getting the short end of the stick because we don't have the same rights," Rivers said.

To those who think civil unions jeopardize the sanctity of marriage, Rivers responds: "Me getting my rights in no way infringes on your heterosexual marriage."

To her, a contractual relationship is more than just a way to get a tax deduction. "We love each other and are making a lifelong commitment to each other," she said.

Sen. Clayton Hee, chairman of the Judiciary and Labor Committee, said he will hear the House version if it passes through that chamber, but he does not plan to hear the Senate version. In the past, the Senate has taken up the emotional and controversial issue only to have it die in the House, said Hee, D-23rd (Kane'ohe, Kahuku).

"Rather than have history repeat itself, we'll wait for a signal from the House," he said. "If the House kills it, there's no point in the Senate hearing it."

Rep. Tommy Waters, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said he is interested in hearing either the reciprocal beneficiary or the civil union bill. "We're going to get to it, but not yet," said Waters, D-51st (Lanikai, Waimanalo).

'POSITIVE CHANGE'

Rachel Orange, a progressive Democrat, said legalizing civil unions is a no-brainer. "To me, it's just a human rights thing."

Partners, regardless of sexual orientation, should be able to have rights when one is in the hospital. "I think my husband would know more what I want than even my parents," she said. "When someone is in the hospital and decisions have to be made, if it's a same-sex partner then they're left out of the process and I don't think that's fair."

While Orange and her husband would be unaffected by the civil union law, she said, "I'd benefit in knowing that our state is moving in the right direction. It would give me hope on other fronts that positive change can happen."

But while Orange is optimistic that civil unions are less divisive than same-sex marriages, Rosati of the Hawai'i Family Forum said that the issue would just divert attention from other issues lawmakers should be addressing.

As far as she is concerned, voters have already taken a stand on same-sex unions and expect lawmakers to focus on other things.

OTHER ISSUES COMPETE

In November 1998, Hawai'i voters approved by nearly 70 percent to 30 percent changing the state Constitution to give the Legislature the power to define marriage as exclusively between one man and one woman.

"We don't think (legalizing civil unions) is something people in the community are interested in doing," Rosati said. "There's an unprecedented crisis in homelessness and a lack of affordable housing and that's where the primary focus needs to be."

Waters, whose committee has been dealing with ethics and elections and is now moving on to crime legislation, agrees there are other priorities. "I am focusing on things that truly need our attention. Look what's happening on our roadways. We're having people die every day.

"There's just a whole slew of issues," he said.

However, he said it doesn't mean that there isn't time to deal with the rights of same-sex couples, as well.

"I'm interested in hearing one of the bills," he said.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070212/NEWS03/702120328

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Re: Bills would allow civil unions for gays
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2007, 09:52:31 AM »
This is slightly off-topic, but anyways:

I've always thought gays and dykes should be allowed to have some kind of union, or marriage or whatever, get the same legal status as married couples in short.

But I've always opposed them getting kids.

Basically, I just don't dig the idea. I never had any real arguments against it.

I still don't feel very enthusiastic about it, I will admit that.




But I've changed my stance. It seems like those kids that have gay families gets a fair childhood, and better than many others.

Also, if there science can prove to me that gay couples are just as good parents, then I cannot be against that.

Even if I don't like the idea of it.

-Hedge

Forget Science, the reason it is wrong is because everytime a gay couple raises a kid that makes one more person that thinks being gay is ok. If you think being gay is ok then ask me about the birds and the bees. Science seems to prove that birds and birds or bees and bees was never meant to be.
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