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Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« on: May 25, 2009, 07:47:59 AM »
Will he bribe them off with a million barrels of oil, like Bush did?

or will he smack the piss out of them for blowing up shit on our Memorial Day? 

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2009, 07:50:55 AM »
or will he sit back and do nothing like he did when they first started moving towards this?

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2009, 07:54:02 AM »
or will he sit back and do nothing like he did when they first started moving towards this?

His first words were a call to action by the international community.

So maybe he'll do nothing.  but he's talking tough so far.  This would be his first real test.  I think the way he's kept the punks at gitmo, kept the military big, ramped up numbers in afghanistan, and put bullets in pirates, he just might have the cajones to fcuk up Nk's day in some meaningful manner.

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2009, 08:07:15 AM »
His first words were a call to action by the international community.

So maybe he'll do nothing.  but he's talking tough so far.  This would be his first real test.  I think the way he's kept the punks at gitmo, kept the military big, ramped up numbers in afghanistan, and put bullets in pirates, he just might have the cajones to fcuk up Nk's day in some meaningful manner.
I honestly think NK is just puffing up their chest and seeing how far they can get on their leash...Obama let them launch their "satelite" which wasnt a satelite, this isnt his first test for them this is a result of doing nothing on his first test with them...

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2009, 08:27:01 AM »
I honestly think NK is just puffing up their chest and seeing how far they can get on their leash...Obama let them launch their "satelite" which wasnt a satelite, this isnt his first test for them this is a result of doing nothing on his first test with them...

So NK - which has vowed to blow up California I believe - is just puffing their chest.

But Iran, a few years behind NK in technology and with a lot ot lose, is a big threat and worth blowing our $ attacking.

And Iraq - with no nukes and no missiles - was enough of a threat to blow our economy attacking.


Great logic here.  :(

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2009, 08:50:16 AM »
His first words were a call to action by the international community.

So maybe he'll do nothing.  but he's talking tough so far.  This would be his first real test.  I think the way he's kept the punks at gitmo, kept the military big, ramped up numbers in afghanistan, and put bullets in pirates, he just might have the cajones to fcuk up Nk's day in some meaningful manner.
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The international community...ur joking right. Kept the punks at gitmo? He's cloing it and bring them here, if he has his way. I guess u missed the part where he didn't have plan. Barry did't put bullets into anybody. Barry didn't saya word incase the Navy fucked it up, and he could distance himslef from it. I guess u missed that to, since he's only on TV for every other thing. He didn't do a thing the last time nKorea launched. He could'nt even get a resolution past in the UN. Nice spin...keep trying.

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2009, 08:55:10 AM »
So NK - which has vowed to blow up California I believe - is just puffing their chest.

But Iran, a few years behind NK in technology and with a lot ot lose, is a big threat and worth blowing our $ attacking.

And Iraq - with no nukes and no missiles - was enough of a threat to blow our economy attacking.


Great logic here.  :(
IRAN has contributed to the deaths of our soldiers dipshit...Iraq was believed to have wmd dip shit...If NK is such a big threat why did obama let them launch on their first test?

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2009, 08:57:23 AM »
IRAN has contributed to the deaths of our soldiers dipshit...Iraq was believed to have wmd dip shit...If NK is such a big threat why did obama let them launch on their first test?

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2009, 09:00:47 AM »
IRAN has contributed to the deaths of our soldiers dipshit...Iraq was believed to have wmd dip shit...If NK is such a big threat why did obama let them launch on their first test?

actually, after the UN inspections, nobody still thought they had WMD.  Of course, Bush had the war infrastructure in place already, and you know what that meant...

No, I think NK is puffing their chest and a country that can be dealt with using embargos and group sanctions - just as iran and iraq (was).

War should be a last resort.  it wasn't in iraq, and it's not in iran, for all those chickenhawks who aren't serving but have a hard-on for invading.

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2009, 09:03:22 AM »
actually, after the UN inspections, nobody still thought they had WMD.  Of course, Bush had the war infrastructure in place already, and you know what that meant...

No, I think NK is puffing their chest and a country that can be dealt with using embargos and group sanctions - just as iran and iraq (was).

War should be a last resort.  it wasn't in iraq, and it's not in iran, for all those chickenhawks who aren't serving but have a hard-on for invading.

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2009, 09:10:39 AM »
Yeah..thats all we need, another appeaser in the Whitehouse. Sanctions 240...what exactly is left. Iran has a golden opportunity with Obama in the Whitehouse to do what it wants quietly. Instead they just sent ships to the Gulf of Aden and their military is prodding Israel.


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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2009, 09:16:01 AM »
actually, after the UN inspections, nobody still thought they had WMD.  Of course, Bush had the war infrastructure in place already, and you know what that meant...

No, I think NK is puffing their chest and a country that can be dealt with using embargos and group sanctions - just as iran and iraq (was).

War should be a last resort.  it wasn't in iraq, and it's not in iran, for all those chickenhawks who aren't serving but have a hard-on for invading.
hindsights 20/20 only a liberal such as yourself doesnt see that jack ass...you act as if i think iraq was a great idea... ::) ive said many times on here it was a mistake...I never said we should invade NK or Iran you dumb moron all i proposed was whether obama was going to sit back and talk but do nothing about NK's newest actions just like he did the last time which you dismissed, I guess it was just like i called it to be wasnt it?

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2009, 09:22:42 AM »
Nobody here thinks we need to "invade" Iran. Nor do we need to "invade" nKorea. But u can allow the Israeli's to do it, u can shoot down a rocket, u can pressure Russia and China to stop backing either country. U can try and accomplish something with all this supposed good will. Or is it that they know that Barry is a weak kneed appeaser and they don't have to do a damm thing?
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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2009, 09:44:58 AM »
never said we should invade NK or Iran you dumb moron all i proposed was whether obama was going to sit back and talk but do nothing about NK's newest actions just like he did the last time which you dismissed, I guess it was just like i called it to be wasnt it?

What are you referring to? The last time NKorea conducted a nuclear test, Bush was in office. They shut down the reactor in exchange for financial aid from us. They started it up again when we cut aid.

The only thing I can figure you're talking about is the missile launch last month, but that's not even comparable to an underground nuclear test with a seismic reading equal to that of a powerful earthquake.

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2009, 09:49:26 AM »
IRAN has contributed to the deaths of our soldiers dipshit...Iraq was believed to have wmd dip shit...If NK is such a big threat why did obama let them launch on their first test?

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2009, 09:58:03 AM »
What are you referring to? The last time NKorea conducted a nuclear test, Bush was in office. They shut down the reactor in exchange for financial aid from us. They started it up again when we cut aid.

The only thing I can figure you're talking about is the missile launch last month, but that's not even comparable to an underground nuclear test with a seismic reading equal to that of a powerful earthquake.
LOL it is when you put it in perspective doggity, that was step one we let them get away with that, not only did we let them conduct it which was against already agreed upon terms we took no action afterwards and let them decide the course of action even when they made intimidating statement after intimidating statement we did nothing...you dont think that lead to this?


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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2009, 10:14:41 AM »
PROVE IT!!!!!
LOL dude look it up and please dont ask me for proof when you have more conspiracy theories then 240...

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2009, 10:17:57 AM »
LOL it is when you put it in perspective doggity, that was step one we let them get away with that, not only did we let them conduct it which was against already agreed upon terms we took no action afterwards and let them decide the course of action even when they made intimidating statement after intimidating statement we did nothing...you dont think that lead to this?



Except you are not looking at it in perspective. You are looking at it myopically so it aligns with your anti-Obama stance. These latest actions didn't occur in a vacuum.

A)... and this can't be underscored enough... the test was a failure. The rocket landed in the ocean and it wasn't even loaded with a warhead. No warhead, no violation of international laws.

B)If anything, the missile test would be considered step two, and even that number is a little low. Step one occurred under the Bush administration. This test is a result of years of negotiations breaking down. Nothing NKorea has done in the last few months is new, yet somehow it's all Obama's fault? LOL

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2009, 10:22:01 AM »
I think that main problem here is that no country can do shit to North Korea without severe bloodshed.

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2009, 10:26:24 AM »
there is still a lot of debate as to whether or not iran helped send weapons to the USA.

They said there was proof, but NBC examined all 2000 pieces of evidence, and not a single one was certified and none stood up to inspection.  The "smoking gun" was promised and never materialized.

Granted, I'm sure they're proxied out the ass to some degree, and a long drawn out war benefits them, as we can handle 2 but not 2 wars...

But "proof" is something we haven't seen yet.  not saying they're innocent, nor do I care if isr cooks them, that's their business.

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2009, 10:30:31 AM »
PROVE IT!!!!!
LOL dude look it up and please dont ask me for proof when you have more conspiracy theories then 240...


Absolutely horrible evidence, Tony.

Please share with us this undisputed evidence.  "look it up"... really makes YOU sound like the jackass here.

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2009, 10:32:48 AM »
there is still a lot of debate as to whether or not iran helped send weapons to the USA.

They said there was proof, but NBC examined all 2000 pieces of evidence, and not a single one was certified and none stood up to inspection.  The "smoking gun" was promised and never materialized.

Granted, I'm sure they're proxied out the ass to some degree, and a long drawn out war benefits them, as we can handle 2 but not 2 wars...

But "proof" is something we haven't seen yet.  not saying they're innocent, nor do I care if isr cooks them, that's their business.




240...I seen evidence.....ok does that help. Now its ur word against mine.....mine comes with a TS SSI clearance.

NBC....NBC did an investigation. NBC doesn't know its ass from a hole in the wall. Iran is running Quds forces into the South. We've captured them. We've captured EFP"s, we've got intel that they're resupplying AQ and the Mahdi army. A fucking media outlet isn't cleared to know what the hell is going on . U have'n't seen the proof 240..u haven't. I suggest u enlist, qualify for a clearance and find out, short of that, pull ur head out of Obama's ass and recognize that Iran isn't sitting on its hands as a major Western power conducts combat operations on its border, without doing anything.
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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2009, 10:34:42 AM »

Absolutely horrible evidence, Tony.

Please share with us this undisputed evidence.  "look it up"... really makes YOU sound like the jackass here.

This is as good a proof as anybody here is cleared to know about.

Three factories in Iran are mass-producing the sophisticated roadside bombs used to kill British soldiers over the border in Iraq, it has been claimed.

 
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Lieutenant-General Sir David WillisonThe lethal bombs are being made by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps at ordnance factory sites in Teheran, according to opponents of the country's theocratic regime.


Designed to penetrate heavy armour, the devices being manufactured in Iran involve the use of "explosively formed projectiles" or EFPs, also known as shaped charges, often triggered by infra-red beams.

The weapons can pierce the armour of British and American tanks and armoured personnel carriers and completely destroy armoured Land Rovers, which are used by the majority of British troops on operations in Iraq.

The Sunday Telegraph revealed in April that Iranian-made devices employing several EFPs, directed at different angles, were being used in Iraq.

And in June, this newspaper obtained the first picture of one of the Iraqi insurgent weapons - designed to fire an armour-piercing EFP - believed to have been responsible for the deaths of 17 British soldiers.

British Government scientists have already established that the mines are precision-made weapons thought to have been turned on a lathe by craftsmen trained in the manufacture of munitions.

Members of the Washington-based Iran Policy Committee have released the details about the three bomb factories gathered by the exile group, the National Council for Resistance in Iran (NCRI).

Iranians working for the NCRI pinpointed the facilities at three industrial sections called Sattari, Sayad Shirazi and Shiroodi. The factories are in the Lavizan neighbourhood in northern Teheran which is controlled by the country's defence ministry. The Sattari Industry specialises in anti-tank mines and operates under the aegis of the IRGC's al-Quds or Jerusalem Force.


Alireza Jafarzadeh, a former spokesman for the NCRI who in 2002 revealed the existence of two Iranian nuclear facilities at Natanz and Arak, said the devices were smuggled to Iraq via Iran's Shalamcheh border region.

"These sites are close to a military site, known as Lavizan 2, that is now being used for Iran's nuclear programme. It shows there is a high level of co-ordination by the Iranian regime, which wants to destabilise Iraq to make way for an Islamic Republic.

"This is not a ragtag workshop in some remote area. These sites are within an area that is one of the most sanitised parts of Teheran which is controlled by the Iranian Defence Ministry."

He added that NCRI sources reported the movement of EFP devices from Teheran into Iraq as recently as June and that supplies of the devices, which began last year, had been stepped up in recent months.

The infra-red triggering mechanism for roadside bombs was perfected by Hezbollah, under Iranian tutelage, against Israeli forces in the 1990s. Mr Jafarzadeh said that in recent weeks Iran had facilitated the movement of cash from Shia groups in Iraq to Hezbollah.

Brig James Dutton, then the commander of British forces in southern Iraq, revealed last November that EFPs had led to a marked increase in the lethality of attacks. He said the "technology certainly, and probably the equipment is coming through Iran". He added: "They come in various grades, these EFP improvised explosive devices, from those that could be made in a relatively simple workshop to those that would require a reasonably sophisticated factory."

Last week, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a former IRGC commander and the man believed by Western intelligence agencies to be in charge of Iranian operations in Iraq, was asked in an interview with CBS television why Iran would furnish roadside bombs to Iraqi insurgents.

He ignored the question, instead responding: "We are saddened that the people of Iraq are being killed. I believe that the rulers of the US have to change their mentality. I ask you, sir, what is the American army doing inside Iraq? Why are the Americans killing Iraqis on a daily basis?"

The factory disclosures come amid growing unease among soldiers in Iraq over what they believe is inadequate protection against terrorist booby traps.

There are fears that soldiers' lives are being put at risk by senior officers insisting that troops must conduct patrols in armoured Land Rovers even though they provide little or no protection from such insurgent devices.

Pressure continues to mount on the Ministry of Defence to introduce a new range of military vehicles that will protect troops from the terrorist bombs in Iraq.

The last two soldiers to be killed by the device were Lieut Tom Mildinhall, 27, and L/Cpl Paul Farrelly, 28, both members of the 1st Queen's Dragoon Guards, who were killed on May 28 in a district north-west of Basra.
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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2009, 10:35:28 AM »
My head isn't in obama's ass - I made it very clear that I'm sure iran is proxy'd in Iraq, but that the world sure hasn't seen evidence of it.

I've also said i'm fine with ISR cooking them - but not with sending US troops and $ into the mess.  

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Re: Obama calls for action after NK sets off nuke test
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2009, 10:35:51 AM »
Except you are not looking at it in perspective. You are looking at it myopically so it aligns with your anti-Obama stance. These latest actions didn't occur in a vacuum.

A)... and this can't be underscored enough... the test was a failure. The rocket landed in the ocean and it wasn't even loaded with a warhead. No warhead, no violation of international laws.

B)If anything, the missile test would be considered step two, and even that number is a little low. Step one occurred under the Bush administration. This test is a result of years of negotiations breaking down. Nothing NKorea has done in the last few months is new, yet somehow it's all Obama's fault? LOL
First off im not a party hard liner, i didnt like alot of what bush did and i certainly dont like alot of what obamas doing but i give him his credit when its do.

LOL dude they were under sanctions or something or other im not quite sure what that prohibited them from launching anything...that broke that agreement by launching the satelite whether it was a sucessful test or not is irrelevant whether it carried a warhead or not is irrelevant what is certain is that by not addressing that issue it led to this issue

LOL what the fuck ever bro that arguement is retarded...this first launch you may have a tad bit of ground to stand on but even that is a horrible arguement and this last action of NK and the for sure future actions of NK are on obamas plate bro. If you want to say that obama is following right in line with bush's actions on this then fine either way i disagree with the actions, its not about bush or obama bro, you should stop watching msnbc.