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Rusty Trombone

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5550 on: July 27, 2023, 06:19:52 PM »
Matt - there is no accurate way to estimate Russia's losses.  Not with them bringing a crematorium to the battle site and having to guess how many other soldiers actually defected and ran away as opposed to being killed and burned.


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LOL not the crematoriums again .... Is it like with the Corona crematoriums rofl

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5551 on: July 27, 2023, 11:47:01 PM »

LASTLY...you once sort of said I didn't *really* train with with the JTF-2.

But I did - I mean it was only for two months, but I was officially paid as a regular forces soldier for one of those two months.  :) I mean, come on...that doesn't count? I'm not claiming I was an active member! But I did train and work with them for two months in May/June 2002!

Give me that at least!  :)

Haha, I would, Matt, but I honestly think you're confusing regional joint task forces of the regular Canadian military with JTF2, your very small group of special operations guys.

A Joint Task Force (JTF) was formed specifically to assist in the conduct of the G8 Summit. But it refers to a task force set up between regular army, local law enforcement, and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to promote interagency cooperation during the Summit and secure the site. That's not the JTF2 unit and there's no emblem of theirs on your certificate.

This paragraph documents how the JTF for Op Grizzly was broken down:

"Although there was a regular infantry battalion on stand-by as a contingency force of last resort, the majority of the Canadian Forces contribution was in support of logistics, infrastructure, communications, ceremonial and command post activities.

In addition to a JTF Headquarters (HQ), JTF GRIZZLY was broken down into four components: a Land Component, based on 1 Canadian
Mechanized Brigade Group (1 CMBG) whose primary task was to assist the RCMP in securing the approaches to the Kananaskis site; a Support Component, based on 1 Area Support Group (1 ASG) whose main tasks were to support the JTF logistically and administratively, provide a NBC Decontamination capability, and to assist the SMO with movement control, transportation, communications."

You'd have been working alongside regular infantry guys, but I'm fairly sure JTF2 would have been much too busy doing other things to have sent a team to liaise with the RCMP and infantry on a task like this. There would have been one or two senior guys kicking around in the general area, no doubt, but I can't imagine you'd have had anything to do with them. I may well stand corrected, and perhaps you still have contacts who can confirm, but it just doesn't seem likely.

http://www.journal.forces.gc.ca/vo4/no4/operatio-eng.asp

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5552 on: July 30, 2023, 02:27:58 AM »







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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5553 on: July 30, 2023, 07:33:44 AM »

 :o

LOL not the crematoriums again .... Is it like with the Corona crematoriums rofl

Dude hush.  I am sure I had him going.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5554 on: August 05, 2023, 10:43:53 PM »
Two months in, Ukraine's big offensive has only made small gains

The war in Ukraine has reached a critical point. Where it goes from here could decide the country's future and affect the security of Europe.

In the 18 months since Russia invaded, the Ukrainians have mostly been on the defensive, preventing Moscow's forces from seizing more territory.

But this summer, Ukraine - with the help of billions of pounds of Western military equipment - has gone on the attack, attempting to expel the Russians from land they previously captured in the east and south of the country.

Two months into this counter-offensive, and with time of the essence before the onset of winter, are Ukrainian troops making any real progress?

Working with BBC Verify, we have analysed video of the fighting and spoken to experts to try to answer that question.

One look at a large-scale map of eastern and southern Ukraine shows that not much has changed in the two months since the counter-offensive began.

Russia still occupies nearly one-fifth of Ukraine - including the cities of Donetsk, in the east, and Mariupol, which it captured after months of siege - and its forces are well dug in.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66383377


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5555 on: August 07, 2023, 12:02:11 PM »
Ukraine still winning???

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5556 on: August 08, 2023, 12:42:40 AM »
Ukraine still winning???
Any day now Russia will surrender.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5557 on: August 11, 2023, 01:17:47 AM »

Ukraine orders 12,000 civilians to leave eastern Kharkiv region amid Russian forces' push forward

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-11/ukraine-orders-civilians-evacuate-kharkiv-region-kupiansk/102716738

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5558 on: August 11, 2023, 02:37:03 AM »
So, Russia can push through Ukes defences but Ukraines counteroffensive (even with High Tech gifts from Europe and Nato) have problem pushing through due to Extensive Mines?
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5559 on: August 11, 2023, 03:34:23 AM »
So, Russia can push through Ukes defences but Ukraines counteroffensive (even with High Tech gifts from Europe and Nato) have problem pushing through due to Extensive Mines?

Minefields alone aren't really an issue. Even if you make them particularly complex in their layers, they don't pose that much of an obstacle unless also covered by fire. Russia is dug in, covering the obstacles with fire, and smashing the hell out of Ukraine's tanks with anti-tank rounds from drones and aircraft aimed at their most vulnerable parts.

They have also double-stacked antivehicle mines amongst physical obstacles to channel Ukraine's vehicles into killing zones. It sounds like an absolute fucking nightmare. Any kid being told that they're going to be travelling in an armored vehicle is going to be writing some pretty emotional letters to back home, lol.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5560 on: August 11, 2023, 03:47:44 AM »
Minefields alone aren't really an issue. Even if you make them particularly complex in their layers, they don't pose that much of an obstacle unless also covered by fire. Russia is dug in, covering the obstacles with fire, and smashing the hell out of Ukraine's tanks with anti-tank rounds from drones and aircraft aimed at their most vulnerable parts.

They have also double-stacked antivehicle mines amongst physical obstacles to channel Ukraine's vehicles into killing zones. It sounds like an absolute fucking nightmare. Any kid being told that they're going to be travelling in an armored vehicle is going to be writing some pretty emotional letters to back home, lol.

Mines are a problem if you have no combat Engineers or well trained pioneers.  A lot of the Soviet tanks have a Snorkel for under water crossings so blowing bridges probably won´t stop them either.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5561 on: August 11, 2023, 03:49:42 AM »
Minefields alone aren't really an issue. Even if you make them particularly complex in their layers, they don't pose that much of an obstacle unless also covered by fire. Russia is dug in, covering the obstacles with fire, and smashing the hell out of Ukraine's tanks with anti-tank rounds from drones and aircraft aimed at their most vulnerable parts.

They have also double-stacked antivehicle mines amongst physical obstacles to channel Ukraine's vehicles into killing zones. It sounds like an absolute fucking nightmare. Any kid being told that they're going to be travelling in an armored vehicle is going to be writing some pretty emotional letters to back home, lol.

Sounds dreadful for the Uke advance

At least the Ukes can send drones

   
   

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5562 on: August 11, 2023, 03:55:14 AM »
I think there is even T64 tanks in use but probably more the T 72 which was exported big time in the cold war times.
T 80  was the most updated modifications.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5563 on: August 11, 2023, 03:58:51 AM »
The T80  is still a beast


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5564 on: August 11, 2023, 04:05:46 AM »
The T 64


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5565 on: August 11, 2023, 04:42:41 AM »
I doubt very much if the Russians are using many of these, from what we have seen they are using mainly older weapons & armour.


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5566 on: August 11, 2023, 04:45:28 AM »
The old sweats will remember the T 55  ;)


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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5567 on: August 11, 2023, 04:46:46 AM »
I doubt very much if the Russians are using many of these, from what we have seen they are using mainly older weapons & armour.



Saving up the T-90s for special occasions probably
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5568 on: August 11, 2023, 04:58:50 AM »
Saving up the T-90s for special occasions probably
I doubt a scrote like you has seen the inside of a Tank, post your gimmick pictures & live your life bro.
this thread is for real men ..ex military who understand the material. :D

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5569 on: August 11, 2023, 05:05:11 AM »
This thread is for whoever wants to take part in it, lighten up Jack, its not that important...

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5570 on: August 11, 2023, 05:14:18 AM »
I doubt a scrote like you has seen the inside of a Tank, post your gimmick pictures & live your life bro.
this thread is for real men ..ex military who understand the material. :D

Ex military here as well
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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5571 on: August 11, 2023, 05:15:28 AM »
Ex military here as well
you were the cook bro  :D

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5572 on: August 11, 2023, 05:17:58 AM »
This thread is for whoever wants to take part in it, lighten up Jack, its not that important...
well it must be for you if you make such a comment. Kwon or Kwon 2 ( i got Pm`s from both his accounts) is a very immature guy. :-\

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5573 on: August 11, 2023, 05:18:26 AM »
Mines are a problem if you have no combat Engineers or well trained pioneers.  A lot of the Soviet tanks have a Snorkel for under water crossings so blowing bridges probably won´t stop them either.
Yeah, I doubt Ukraine had many well-trained specialists on the ground there.

The tanks are robust but with the way the Russians have stacked the mines and built up defenses, it sounds like Ukraine had a rough time.

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Re: Russia has penetrated Ukraine
« Reply #5574 on: August 11, 2023, 05:21:19 AM »
Yeah, I doubt Ukraine had many well-trained specialists on the ground there.

The tanks are robust but with the way the Russians have stacked the mines and built up defenses, it sounds like Ukraine had a rough time.
Yeah ..i agree.  what i find interesting is the "soviets" have not changed their field tactics since the 70s & 80s.
their structure with Motor Rifle brigades has not changed much.