um... the rate at which you get huge
yop..
you will blow the fuck up from 50mg a day of d-bol
hard to say, I'd have to see how you look
a friend of mine gained from 50mg of d-bol the muscle mass I gained from 3 years of cycling.
look at it this way, if you have to ask, you probably are not a GREAT responder haha.
when you are a great responder, you ask yourself: WTF is happening to me
I wouldn't say I'm a great responder at all, somewhere in the average range. However, like most, when I first started out I used a lot of UG trash simply because I didn't know any better and of course the results were far from amazing and just a little better than garbage. If you're using UG gear, even if it's decent UG gear and eventually make the switch to human grade regardless of your level of individual response the difference will be night and day.
Also, I don't care what anyone says and many will argue this until they're blue in the face...what you eat matters. Quality calories in abundance will always build more muscle with gear than simply calories in abundance...I've seen this play true for years and still do.
First off are those genuine bf % or bro estimates which usely are a good 5-6 % out :D - being that low in bf you will really be seeing some serious definition - around the 8% mark myself and friends when flexing arms theres like no fat to be seen just skin and you are getting decent splits between the two heads on biceps and triceps are showing ultra horse shoe shape - not stage ready yet but you are getting there -intercostals will be popping through nicely to - so are you like this ? you also got to drop this weight thing - muscle to fat ratio and BB is all visual.. You may weigh 180pds but if you look 200 and are lean then you know you are on the right track - so forget the scales and on that dose I wouldnt be expecting much unless you are an extreme responder and like Stav says if you are asking then You prob not :D
I wouldn't say I'm a great responder at all, somewhere in the average range. However, like most, when I first started out I used a lot of UG trash simply because I didn't know any better and of course the results were far from amazing and just a little better than garbage. If you're using UG gear, even if it's decent UG gear and eventually make the switch to human grade regardless of your level of individual response the difference will be night and day.
Also, I don't care what anyone says and many will argue this until they're blue in the face...what you eat matters. Quality calories in abundance will always build more muscle with gear than simply calories in abundance...I've seen this play true for years and still do.
GENUINE. IM MY OWN HARSHEST CRITIC. I USE TO SUGAR COAT STUFF BUT THAT GOT ME NOWHERE.Im saying dont rely on the scales - BB is all visual - if you are that lean and weighing that amount and have the nice full look gear gives you then you will look alot heavier than that. you sound like you are looking in great shape
I THOUGHT 11-12%, BUT GH15 COMMENTED ON ONE FELLA THAT WAS JUST LIKE ME AND SAID 9-10. BUT NOW IM A BIT LEANER THAN THAT. I HAVE ALL STRIATIONS IN MY ARMS, DELTS, CHEST IS SQUARED OUT...I DONT HAVE THE OBLIQUES LIKE PIANO KEYS RUNNING THROUGH THOUGH LIKE GH15 SAYS. AND MY LOWER BACK DOESNT HAVE AN X, ITS JUST NO FAT THERE, NOTHING I CAN PINCH.
YOUR TELLING ME TO THROW THE SCALE OUT? I WEIGH 190ISH BUT LOOK MUCH MORE WITH MY SHIRT OFF. MY ARMS ARE THIN THOUGH LONG ARMS SHORT BICEP SYNDROME, WIDE CLAVICLES. SO IN A SHORT SLEEVE SHIRT I LOOK 190ISH. LONG SLEEVE I LOOK VERY WIDE.
WHEN DO I ADD MASTERON? THINKING ABOUT IT AT THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST. I WANT TO BE A REAL 6-7% GH15 MEASUREMENT WISE, NOT FAKE 6-7%.
IVE ONLY USED HUMAN GRADE. TESTOVIRON FROM EUROPE, NORMA HELLAS FROM GREECE. NEXT UP IS ROTEX MEDICA.
QUALITY FOOD DOES MATTER. IVE SEEN THAT TOO...I THINK GH15 SAYS THAT CAUSE HES TALKING ABOUT WHEN U R ON LIKE 8, 10, 12, 15 IU'S OF GH. THEN I IMAGINE FOOD QUALITY CAN BE MORE LAX SINCE MAINTANENCE AMOUNT IS FAR HIGHER.
Im saying dont rely on the scales - BB is all visual - if you are that lean and weighing that amount and have the nice full look gear gives you then you will look alot heavier than that. you sound like you are looking in great shape
I think he says it because it's what people want to hear. Yes, food quality can be more lax on lot of GH but you still want a large amount of quality calories. That doesn't mean you eat trash all day....besides, most guys who eat a lot of trash have a hard time eating enough throughout the day....trash kills your appetite.
hard to say, I'd have to see how you look
a friend of mine gained from 50mg of d-bol the muscle mass I gained from 3 years of cycling.
look at it this way, if you have to ask, you probably are not a GREAT responder haha.
when you are a great responder, you ask yourself: WTF is happening to me
I HAVENT TRIED DBOL. I WENT 250MG OF HUMAN GRADE TEST AND WENT FROM 172ISH(11%) TO ABOUT 190LBS VERY QUICKLY(11%), THEN ADDING SUPERDROL AND GOT TO A FATTY(13-14% BODY FAT) OF ABOUT 210, NOW IM ON 375MG TEST A WEEK AND SITTING AT ABOUT 192LBS BUT AT 8-9%. TRYING TO RECOMP AROUND THIS WEIGHT BUT GET TO 7% BODY FAT. DO NOT THINK ITS POSSIBLE, ILL ADD MASTERON AND PROBABLY ABOMBS IN THE FINAL MONTH OR SO. I THINK ILL HAVE TO ACCEPT GETTING DOWN TO ABOUT 183-185 IF NOT LOWER.
I WANT TO KNOW IF MY RESPONSE IS GOOD. SO I KNOW HOW MUCH GH TO USE MUTATE. ONCE IM DOWN WITH THIS RECOMP PROLLY ANOTHER 8-10 WEEKS I WANT TO GO AT A RELATIVELY LOW DOSE TEST + MODERATE DOSE GH. 250MG TEST + 3IU GH? AND JUST KEEPING ADD SLIGHTLY MORE TEST, THEN GH NON-STOP EVERY TIME I PLATEAU SO I CAN ADD LBM NOT FAT.
hard to say, I'd have to see how you look
a friend of mine gained from 50mg of d-bol the muscle mass I gained from 3 years of cycling.
look at it this way, if you have to ask, you probably are not a GREAT responder haha.
when you are a great responder, you ask yourself: WTF is happening to me
I wouldn't say I'm a great responder at all, somewhere in the average range. However, like most, when I first started out I used a lot of UG trash simply because I didn't know any better and of course the results were far from amazing and just a little better than garbage. If you're using UG gear, even if it's decent UG gear and eventually make the switch to human grade regardless of your level of individual response the difference will be night and day.
Also, I don't care what anyone says and many will argue this until they're blue in the face...what you eat matters. Quality calories in abundance will always build more muscle with gear than simply calories in abundance...I've seen this play true for years and still do.
First off are those genuine bf % or bro estimates which usely are a good 5-6 % out :D - being that low in bf you will really be seeing some serious definition - around the 8% mark myself and friends when flexing arms theres like no fat to be seen just skin and you are getting decent splits between the two heads on biceps and triceps are showing ultra horse shoe shape - not stage ready yet but you are getting there -intercostals will be popping through nicely to - so are you like this ? you also got to drop this weight thing - muscle to fat ratio and BB is all visual.. You may weigh 180pds but if you look 200 and are lean then you know you are on the right track - so forget the scales and on that dose I wouldnt be expecting much unless you are an extreme responder and like Stav says if you are asking then You prob not :D
GENUINE. IM MY OWN HARSHEST CRITIC. I USE TO SUGAR COAT STUFF BUT THAT GOT ME NOWHERE.
I THOUGHT 11-12%, BUT GH15 COMMENTED ON ONE FELLA THAT WAS JUST LIKE ME AND SAID 9-10. BUT NOW IM A BIT LEANER THAN THAT. I HAVE ALL STRIATIONS IN MY ARMS, DELTS, CHEST IS SQUARED OUT...I DONT HAVE THE OBLIQUES LIKE PIANO KEYS RUNNING THROUGH THOUGH LIKE GH15 SAYS. AND MY LOWER BACK DOESNT HAVE AN X, ITS JUST NO FAT THERE, NOTHING I CAN PINCH.
YOUR TELLING ME TO THROW THE SCALE OUT? I WEIGH 190ISH BUT LOOK MUCH MORE WITH MY SHIRT OFF. MY ARMS ARE THIN THOUGH LONG ARMS SHORT BICEP SYNDROME, WIDE CLAVICLES. SO IN A SHORT SLEEVE SHIRT I LOOK 190ISH. LONG SLEEVE I LOOK VERY WIDE.
WHEN DO I ADD MASTERON? THINKING ABOUT IT AT THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST. I WANT TO BE A REAL 6-7% GH15 MEASUREMENT WISE, NOT FAKE 6-7%.
IVE ONLY USED HUMAN GRADE. TESTOVIRON FROM EUROPE, NORMA HELLAS FROM GREECE. NEXT UP IS ROTEX MEDICA.
QUALITY FOOD DOES MATTER. IVE SEEN THAT TOO...I THINK GH15 SAYS THAT CAUSE HES TALKING ABOUT WHEN U R ON LIKE 8, 10, 12, 15 IU'S OF GH. THEN I IMAGINE FOOD QUALITY CAN BE MORE LAX SINCE MAINTANENCE AMOUNT IS FAR HIGHER.
I think he says it because it's what people want to hear. Yes, food quality can be more lax on lot of GH but you still want a large amount of quality calories. That doesn't mean you eat trash all day....besides, most guys who eat a lot of trash have a hard time eating enough throughout the day....trash kills your appetite.
YEAH. I SEE WHAT UR SAYING. I PREFER THE VISUAL ASPECT OVER THE NUMERICAL ASPECT. BUT IVE BEEN BRED TO THINK NUMERICAL FROM ALL THESE OTHER FORUMS...I NEED TO THINK DIFFERENTLY.
ID STILL LIKE TO GET MY OBLIQUES DIALED IN AND GET THE X OR AT LEAST SOME FORM OF IT ON MY LOWER BACK. THEN IM GOING TO GROW...BUT GO SLOWLY.
again i can show you 100 fellas walking around 6-7% and think they are 10...because of water...2 days diazide and they are competition ready lol ,, then there are the deluionists lol the ones who walk 16% andf think they are single digit ...but they arre very easy to notie because they have dead fat on them in bulk ,, you see no sculpting just bulk ,,dead bulk ,, the ones who are truly low bodyfat ....just looked sculpted ...chest...delts.. traps.. they stand infront of you and you stare at their forarms because they are more veiny ....they are also hard looking over all and quality size and in lean yet thick... if hormonized,, water can fuck up seratus and horse shoe finest details...but when you flex...it is all there even the worst genetic in the world when you flex hard you will see the muscle coming out ...again water wil blurr some but over all you will look ripped and muscular to the eye
gh15 approved
yes,,but it also depend on how much water you hold ,, water will blur line and the ultra horse wont be exactly ultra ,, but when its water you know it ,, you look like million bucks with 100 bucks bill missing lolYes very true :)
gh15 approved
In regards to GH15 post:
Yes, I agree, there are a few good UG lines out there but they are few and far between, it's not like it was only a short while ago. 10 years ago there was some very good UG stuff out there still but that market is so plagued with fakes and dirty gear that for the average guy finding good UG gear is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. All I'm saying is most guys would be best served simply sticking with human grade brands for the majority of their gear....obviously you can't do this with things like EQ and Tren, I understand that.
Food, my point, most who are really trying to pack on size can get away with more dirty food if they're on hormones, I agree with that but there is a limit when we're talking about dirty food. A lot of guys who eat several dirty meals even if on hormones have a hard time getting in enough calories to grow to their full potential, even if they are on hormones...all the crap food simply lessens their appetite. If you've got the metabolism for it be it naturally or on gear and you want to eat dirty food every day I say go for it but I'd make sure I was not eating more than I could handle, meaning, I'm not eating so much that it's hindering getting in enough quality food.
IMO, the best bulking diets for a guy on gear who needs a butt load of food will always primarily consist of:
*Whole Eggs
*Steak
*Oats
*Potatoes
*Rice
*Nuts
*Peanut Butter
*Sushi
*Butt loads of Waxy Maze
*Ezekiel Bread
I'm not saying other foods can't be in there too but these are the primary ones.
i will check into the waxy more ,, i want to try this because im not the bodybuild who do supplmenets none of us are,, but the waxy i want to try and tell you if it can be replacing ,, ill let you know
*Whole Eggs
*Steak
*Oats
*Potatoes
*Rice
*Nuts
*Peanut Butter
*Sushi
*Butt loads of Waxy Maze
*Ezekiel Bread
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
Off season i love eating burritos. Easiest way to get the meat in easy and it taste great
What's so funny about that?
I cannot tell you how many guys I've seen just like you who take butt ass loads of gear and eat all the junk food on earth and while they indeed gain some muscle, in the end they're just fat piles of fat ass. At the same time I've seen more guys than I can count who do the same thing yet can't really gain any true mass, they gain to a point but never really progress past a certain point.
So again I ask, why is this funny?
Best responder I ever saw is this friend of mine. Too bad many of those with the best "genetics" never do anything with it.(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=388692.0;attach=420318;image)
At 18 years old and then at 30, obviously not bodybuilding anymore. :D
A handful of test amps, a few Norma Deca, and then maybe 20 Primo and 20 Zambons and a 6 weeks crash diet before the pic.
His "bodybuilding diet" was kebabs, pizza, labneh, bread and tomatoes but he was seriously jacked at 17.
yes fella look condtiioned,, again not enough size for major title but ....it is good condition that can aim both at fitness modeling and bodybuild in the lower levels regionals..he looked good,,
gh15 approved
for 18 years old that's fucking fantastic I'd say :oall kebabs and pizza.. im gonna eat a pizza, in the hope I will look like this fella. :D ;D
The kid could have gone places had he had the interest in bodybuilding. Him on Test, Tren, EQ and GH and later on maybe insulin, a better diet and he would have been a freak. Only drugs we had access to in those days were HG (Sust, Deca, Primo, Zambons and orals like Akrihin and Bionabol dbol) and some vet stuff (Jurox Testosus). Tren wasn't really available although a few guys had managed to get a hold of a few expired Negma Para. GH was available as Swedish Genotropin but they were scarce and way out of our budget anyway.
The thing is that if you have good genes, as in drug response and good muscle bellies etc, you don't have to eat a typical bodybuilding diet for the drugs to work and the potential to show. Unless you starve yourself you will grow.
Reminds me of Levrone, and this was probably only a half truth, who claimed he built the mass he had prior to turning pro with Chocolate Milk and Hot-Dogs. :D
Bro, Antoine Vaillant built his mass (most of his base, he really isn't bigger than he was 3 years ago) eating whoppers at burger king, bols of lucky charms and hot dogs
if you have the genetics, you will build mass with the shittiest food.
all good response to drugs
What's so funny about that?
I cannot tell you how many guys I've seen just like you who take butt ass loads of gear and eat all the junk food on earth and while they indeed gain some muscle, in the end they're just fat piles of fat ass. At the same time I've seen more guys than I can count who do the same thing yet can't really gain any true mass, they gain to a point but never really progress past a certain point.
So again I ask, why is this funny?
dont talk to me about diet.
ive tried everything.
ive done super clean diets, all lean beef, low glycemic carbs, helathy fats. shit for a few months two years ago my diet was mainly lean beaf black beans and olives. it doesnt get any "cleaner" than that.
i went years with zero carbs. i went months on zero carbs and zero fats, tons of vegetables.
all that matters is protein and calories. and thats the truth.
i look my best now, makig my best progress, leaning out and growing big at the same time.. and i am eating 2-3 meals per day. and the calories i get in besides protein are all junk.
but the funny thing, the really funny thing, is that you list of "clean" foods, really isnt clean at all. rice, potatoe, waxy maize?? what makes these any different than candy, icee's, soda's, sugary treats? nothing. quick carbs are quick carbs.
lets say you have a"clean" meal. 2 tablespoons peanut butter, baked potatoe, and some chicken. fats, carbs, protein. i could get the same nutrition with some "dirty" nachos. cheese, olives, tortilla chips, ground beef.
diet means fuck all
im always bloated and im fine with that.
dont talk to me about diet.
ive tried everything.
ive done super clean diets, all lean beef, low glycemic carbs, helathy fats. shit for a few months two years ago my diet was mainly lean beaf black beans and olives. it doesnt get any "cleaner" than that.
i went years with zero carbs. i went months on zero carbs and zero fats, tons of vegetables.
all that matters is protein and calories. and thats the truth.
i look my best now, makig my best progress, leaning out and growing big at the same time.. and i am eating 2-3 meals per day. and the calories i get in besides protein are all junk.
but the funny thing, the really funny thing, is that you list of "clean" foods, really isnt clean at all. rice, potatoe, waxy maize?? what makes these any different than candy, icee's, soda's, sugary treats? nothing. quick carbs are quick carbs.
lets say you have a"clean" meal. 2 tablespoons peanut butter, baked potatoe, and some chicken. fats, carbs, protein. i could get the same nutrition with some "dirty" nachos. cheese, olives, tortilla chips, ground beef.
diet means fuck all
When you win a show eating like you say you do or when you prep some winners and have them eat exactly like you just said then it will give your post some weight behind it. Until then you're just spouting off at the mouth.
You used to have some constructive things to say and good questions etc. but those days have seemed to passed. "Don't talk to me about diet" there are very few people in the world who would make such an arrogant statement, even those who have been doing this with success for many years wouldn't say that.
diet means shit
if someone has been doing this for years they would know that
all that matters is what hormones you got in your system. outside of that, so long as your training correctly for your body and eating enough calories and protein, nothing else means shit
were just gonna have to agree to disagree cuz i really dont give a fuck wat u think at this point.. keep taking ur waxy maize ..
Spoken like a pompous kid.
You can always disagree with people, disagreeing doesn't bother me but if you're going to argue a point it helps to have something to back it up with, it helps to show you've put some thought into what you're saying...saying "just cuz" is worthless. If someone truly knows something, if their opinion is in the right then they should be able to refute the opposing opinion with at least some valid thought or at least make an effort.
,, i get it from sans
gh15 approved
well I agree Tbombz comes off as a know it all. but I back him because his advice has yet to fail me. Have you ever tried dieting the way he says Arnold jr? except for the daring guys,most gym rats have not! Most bbers are so afraid to step outside their little shell of 6 meals a day of chicken and rice that they wont eat fruit lol ::). I got down to 7 percent bf and my diet was like this.
Meal 1) 6 eggs, 2 slices of toast, jelly,1 cup blueberries, 2 tbsp butter (real butter not natural peanut butter lol)
Meal 2) 1/2lb. chicken or beef, 2 cups of yogurt (whole fat),
Meal 3) 1/2lb. fish, 1 big ass sweet potatoe with butter and brown sugar
Meall 4) 6 eggs and 1 scoop whey isolate and a bowl of blueberries
It's all drugs. The only reason to eat clean is from a pure health perspective. Waxy maize? Baked potatoes? Oatmeal? those foods have no nutritional value. lol. Try blueberries, brocolli, wild caught fish,grass fed beef.
Spoken like a pompous kid.He's happy just being a permabulking, arrogant stoner. I guarantee he'll never step on a stage..and from his constant gear usage..his ldl and hdl levels will be so screwed ..heart attack before age 30. And if he's ever forced to go off, he'll never produce more test than a 6 year old girl again. Great future in store for Mr. Bombz.
You can always disagree with people, disagreeing doesn't bother me but if you're going to argue a point it helps to have something to back it up with, it helps to show you've put some thought into what you're saying...saying "just cuz" is worthless. If someone truly knows something, if their opinion is in the right then they should be able to refute the opposing opinion with at least some valid thought or at least make an effort.
He's happy just being a permabulking, arrogant stoner. I guarantee he'll never step on a stage..and from his constant gear usage..his ldl and hdl levels will be so screwed ..heart attack before age 30. And if he's ever forced to go off, he'll never produce more test than a 6 year old girl again. Great future in store for Mr. Bombz.
thats balonie,, branch jsut got his wife pregnant,, evan same,, both have testosterona levels of 6 year old,, this is so much balonie around the boardings of steroids it is insane,,
He's happy just being a permabulking, arrogant stoner. I guarantee he'll never step on a stage..and from his constant gear usage..his ldl and hdl levels will be so screwed ..heart attack before age 30. And if he's ever forced to go off, he'll never produce more test than a 6 year old girl again. Great future in store for Mr. Bombz.
Best responder I ever saw is this friend of mine. Too bad many of those with the best "genetics" never do anything with it.
At 18 years old and then at 30, obviously not bodybuilding anymore. :D
A handful of test amps, a few Norma Deca, and then maybe 20 Primo and 20 Zambons and a 6 weeks crash diet before the pic.
His "bodybuilding diet" was kebabs, pizza, labneh, bread and tomatoes but he was seriously jacked at 17.
I used a lot of gear and I mean a whole lot for years and I've never had any blood pressure or cholesterol issues, my liver is healthy as well as my prostate. Granted, my natural test levels are garbage but that's why they invented TRT.
18 yo are you kidding me? fucking crazy back right there
that you in your avi lesaucer? u look like Dennis Newman bro
thanks man but i still got a lonnnnng way to go to get that kind of physique lol
Hey getbiggers
About to run tren with my test tomorrow at 75 mg eod along with my prop. I'm wondering what's everyones call on my response to AAS so far, and can i expect to hit 200 by the end of August?
I meant facially ;D
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/78/thumbnails/Dennis_Newman_photo84.jpg)
has this loudmouth ever posted a pic? ::)
interesting. stavios had his account deleted. hmm.
He deleted it himself. His new career wouldn't have wanted to see all this stuff with his name on it.
8)
lol, does he know that the only thing that has changed is that his username turned to a color black?
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