Serious question for Ahmed and other Muslims...

[avxo]

a_ahmed isn't answering me...

[a_ahmed]

And not a single word of condemnation for the behavior... not a denial of it taking place. Just more finger pointing at the west. So it is less of a crime for a Muslim to not follow Islamic law then it is for a non Muslim to not follow Islamic law... so it is all justified. A sick and twisted mindset.

Are you on drugs?

How is beheading, suicide bombing and using 4 year old children to endorse heinous crimes doing good or bringing justice and peace to the world.  Muslims are the most confused, hypocritical and juvenile individuals on the planet.

Are you also on drugs?

If someone does not follow islam and does something but has a muslim name. Does that mean islam goes on trial?

Not to mention most of you are recycling words of media hoo haa. How many times must someone respond to you to your recycled claims? Honor killing is a cultural thing not islam. Suicide bombing I've already explained it's origins and use and quoted a verse on the fact that God said do not kill ourselves.

You have to further understand the psyche of these people who have been through oppression for decades. By imposed dictators, by the US, etc...

These protests that turned violent are not just because of this bs 'movie' that basically presents our beloved prophet in a gay porn (disgusting filth)... its just insult on insult. Salt upon salt on wounds upon wounds. However it is anger that is building up from constant slander, constant defamation, constant humilation, constant oppression, constant killing.

Let me remind you. That for the last 30 some years. Egypt was ruled by a military dictator who literally tortured anyone who would pretty much speak about Islam, or get in gatherings except what was prescribed. Friday sermons were WRITTEN and approved by government and after each sermon the 'leader' was praised.

People were BRUTALLY tortured and improsoned. The muslims dont want any stinking dictators imposed on them.

Let me also remind you in the last 10 years alone, 7 countries have been attacked and over a million people have died. It's just sacrilage. There is anger in that part of the world and until the west stops meddling and causing  bloodshed these people will have no peace, no justice and will be angry.

There cannot be peace without justice...

Finally for DECADES hollywood and the media have been villifying muslims, arabs, etc... misrepresenting them.

I am one victim of it. I came to arab countries with FEAR... fear because of what i was shown and told by hollywood, cartoons and media... yet i found a COMPLETELY 100% totally opposite experience to what european/na governments, media and hollywood have been portraying.

I literally went in thinking its all about magic lamps, flying carpets, arab thieves, violent people, angry people, dangerous people, killers on every corner, spying on you on every corner, etc... all kinds of dumb crap. In the end as a non muslim i actually enjoyed living amongst muslims. Far more peaceful human life and living.

As far as progress... its hard to progress when you are constantly being bombed, waged war upon and having dictators rule you and steal the people's wealth.

[Thick Nick]

If someone does not follow islam and does something but has a muslim name. Does that mean islam goes on trial?

When THEY specifically say that is why are doing it... Then YES. See there is your blinder. That's my entire point. If they are breaking Islamic law and saying they are doing it in the name of Islam... where is your outrage against THEM? Your outrage always goes to someone else... "well they were provoked... or they are not real Muslims.". Dumbass you made my point for me.

[Radical Plato]

You have to further understand the psyche of these people who have been through oppression for decades. By imposed dictators, by the US, etc...

These protests that turned violent are not just because of this bs 'movie' that basically presents our beloved prophet in a gay porn (disgusting filth)... its just insult on insult. Salt upon salt on wounds upon wounds. However it is anger that is building up from constant slander, constant defamation, constant humilation, constant oppression, constant killing. People were BRUTALLY tortured and improsoned. The muslims dont want any stinking dictators imposed on them.

Or maybe you tend to see evil in everything and pessimism in everything instead of the beauty of life. Negatives as opposed to positives. Quite like I said earlier, you are ungrateful to God. If you were greatful to our creator you would see things differently and understand life differently.

Let me also remind you in the last 10 years alone, 7 countries have been attacked and over a million people have died. It's just sacrilage. There is anger in that part of the world and until the west stops meddling and causing  bloodshed these people will have no peace, no justice and will be angry.

There cannot be peace without justice...

Finally for DECADES hollywood and the media have been villifying muslims, arabs, etc... misrepresenting them.

I am one victim of it. I came to arab countries with FEAR... fear because of what i was shown and told by hollywood, cartoons and media... yet i found a COMPLETELY 100% totally opposite experience to what european/na governments, media and hollywood have been portraying.
As far as progress... its hard to progress when you are constantly being bombed, waged war upon and having dictators rule you and steal the people's wealth.

Again same as what i said above. Your perception of gloom and doom in life

[a_ahmed]

Or maybe you tend to see evil in everything and pessimism in everything instead of the beauty of life. Negatives as opposed to positives. Quite like I said earlier, you are ungrateful to God. If you were greatful to our creator you would see things differently and understand life differently.


Again same as what i said above. Your perception of gloom and doom in life

Very cute, you copy pasted what I told you in a completely different matter.

No I am just perceiving what is happening on the ground, what has been happening through historical facts.

It's hard to progress when you are bombed every few years. Imposed dictators every few years. People are frustrated. Maybe you should start taking responsibility and stop harassing a 1.5 billion people population

[a_ahmed]

If someone does not follow islam and does something but has a muslim name. Does that mean islam goes on trial?

When THEY specifically say that is why are doing it... Then YES. See there is your blinder. That's my entire point. If they are breaking Islamic law and saying they are doing it in the name of Islam... where is your outrage against THEM? Your outrage always goes to someone else... "well they were provoked... or they are not real Muslims.". Dumbass you made my point for me.

You are not making any point, you are just repeating what you want to repeat.

You will leave this thread and continue to be an ignoramus with a construct in your mind of muslims and islam. So when yet again a honor killing story goes blaring for a few weeks in the media (while so much other shit happens), you will be like SEE SEE THEM ISLAM FOLLOWERS.

Even though youll find far more stories of hindus doing honor killings but you wont try to research their religion or even ask.

It shows your ulterior motives.

Like I've said before in this instance, there is absolutley no condoning of this act in islam, it is disgusting and a cultural practice. It is contrary to islam.

Yet it is a teaching in the bible but thats okay you dont follow the bible. 

[a_ahmed]

Does everything in a non muslim who hates and knows nothing about islam have to always relate to perversion? You guys can't draw anything without perversion. You can't speak without perversion. Shows what a sick and demented minds you have. Some of you when I try to talk to, your every second word is fuck fuck fuck, you want to fornicate everything on the face of the earth? Sickness.

Yet again do you benefit me with that? No you insult me, you insult God, you insult muslims, you insult Muhammad (pbuh) Do you benefit yourself? Absolutely not you just delude yourself further and blaspheme against God almighty.

Now imagine for a second you actually sat down to learn about Islam's teachings instead of repeating vile insults, rumors and misinformation. Which really has no benefit for anyone but what you could learn about islam could benefit you.

The qureish arabs, the pagan arabs tried to do similar things they'd try to ridicule Muhammad, beat him up and his companions, call him a liar, call him a soothsayer and a magician, call him various names and accusations. Yet they did not benefit themselves what so ever.

[Donny]

A_ahmed or what ever you name is...you are a boring kunt you spend so much time writing shit on here. sad fuck...

[Man of Steel]

Does everything in a non muslim who hates and knows nothing about islam have to always relate to perversion? You guys can't draw anything without perversion. You can't speak without perversion. Shows what a sick and demented minds you have. Some of you when I try to talk to, your every second word is fuck fuck fuck, you want to fornicate everything on the face of the earth? Sickness.

Yet again do you benefit me with that? No you insult me, you insult God, you insult muslims, you insult Muhammad (pbuh) Do you benefit yourself? Absolutely not you just delude yourself further and blaspheme against God almighty.

Now imagine for a second you actually sat down to learn about Islam's teachings instead of repeating vile insults, rumors and misinformation. Which really has no benefit for anyone but what you could learn about islam could benefit you.

The qureish arabs, the pagan arabs tried to do similar things they'd try to ridicule Muhammad, beat him up and his companions, call him a liar, call him a soothsayer and a magician, call him various names and accusations. Yet they did not benefit themselves what so ever.

My humble opinion, continue to represent your faith as honestly as you're able, but don't lace those honest replies with potshots and jabs....it's off putting to an audience you're wanting to help.   I'm not saying your jabs aren't fitting or even deserved, but if you want to represent peace and light then be that.  

I often pray and ask God to help me help others to clearly see him through my example (unfortunately I sometimes fail).  Even the Christian supporters on these boards sometimes use foul language and attack and insult and indulge in pornography, drug abuse, racism, etc.....  

I get upset from time to time, but I always try to reel it in and remember that even though the discussion involves me it isn't as much about me as it is about the other people I want to share my faith with....I just do my best to live out my faith.

[Radical Plato]

Very cute, you copy pasted what I told you in a completely different matter.

No I am just perceiving what is happening on the ground, what has been happening through historical facts.

It's hard to progress when you are bombed every few years. Imposed dictators every few years. People are frustrated. Maybe you should start taking responsibility and stop harassing a 1.5 billion people population

I'm with you on that bro, I just don't think I will ever understand Islam, it must be the english blood in me.

[Thick Nick]

What part of what I did to you don't you get? Lol your making posts just proving the point more and more.

"Watch me as I behead these infadels in the name of Allah and Mohamed!!! I blow myself up in the name of Islam!!!

Ahmed: Those aren't Muslims pffft just cause they say they are doing all of those things because they are Muslims and interpreting Islamic law, they aren't!!! And even if they were... They were pushed to do so because of the US. Also... If Christians beheaded some one 200 years ago, then that is the same as doing it in 2012.

Do you even realize that this is what you sound like? A brainwashed dummy? You try and post like you are intelligent or something, but you sound like a brainwashed fucking moron. Do you know that and not care? Or are you so blinded you think you are winning these arguments?

[a_ahmed]

Now you're just ranting. I guess you didn't take the time to read.

I knew it was futile, yet I kept my word, that I would respond to you while you claimed we muslims were 'keeping silent'. The reason everyone ignored your particular post was beacuse it was clear what your intentions were just by the way you created the post. You prove that you are an intellectually dishonest individual, who when posing a question already was stating his own dishonest answers as facts and when responded to clearly manifest the truth of the matter, just as i presumed that you are insincere and will continue to bash mindlessly the same lies, misinformations and hate that you already were routed upon.

Secondly I wasn't saying that people doing sinful acts or crimes were not muslims. I was saying if someone has a muslim name, born muslim, etc... but doesn't practice the religion and follows cultural and traditions rather than Islam. You should be aware that they are doing that, and not following islam. You are basically putting islam on trial because some idiot might have raped somebody and you will utter a lie like "oh thats because its islam" when clearly rape is punishable by death in islam.

[Thick Nick]

Now you're just ranting. I guess you didn't take the time to read.

I knew it was futile, yet I kept my word, that I would respond to you while you claimed we muslims were 'keeping silent'. The reason everyone ignored your particular post was beacuse it was clear what your intentions were just by the way you created the post. You prove that you are an intellectually dishonest individual, who when posing a question already was stating his own dishonest answers as facts and when responded to clearly manifest the truth of the matter, just as i presumed that you are insincere and will continue to bash mindlessly the same lies, misinformations and hate that you already were routed upon.

Secondly I wasn't saying that people doing sinful acts or crimes were not muslims. I was saying if someone has a muslim name, born muslim, etc... but doesn't practice the religion and follows cultural and traditions rather than Islam. You should be aware that they are doing that, and not following islam. You are basically putting islam on trial because some idiot might have raped somebody and you will utter a lie like "oh thats because its islam" when clearly rape is punishable by death in islam.


I'm not saying anything for them... It's called google, YouTube, and video tape... It is them saying why they are doing every single thing I started this thread with... In thier own words... I do this for Islam. It is you choosing to ignore it. That = agenda. The day even one of you sick fucks says it is wrong to riot over a fucking cartoon maybe someone will take you serious about being different. Until then, silence is the same as condoning the behavior. And as for your Hindu comments... My wife is Indian you idiot... She is catholic but we have many traditional Indian friends. They aren't killing anyone AND even if they were, how does that make what you fucking animals do any better? Again.... Wtfpwned.

[Griffith]

I don't understand why Western countries have to adapt and 'compromise' to the anti-human stances of Islam when anyone practicing Christianity in one of the Arab countries could go to jail etc...?

Moslem behaviour around the world, especially recently has shown the true mass nature of this cult and its followers.

[a_ahmed]

You guys are retards seriously. So what if your wife is indian. Mine is african.

My point was, hindus do honor killings, female infanticide, female abortions, etc... its part of that region's demented culture. I don't see you going after them and trying to 'expose them' for 'their religion'. It sounds just as retarded.

You are spreading bullshit, because you are as shitty as hollywood in the 80s with your 'knowlege' of muslims/islam and even arabs (be they christian or otherwise).

Oh yeah, right, them ayrab mozlemz were chasing me with swords down the street because i was a christian. Get real. I've actually LIVED with them for 6 years. You, have 'lived' through the television.

Arabs/Muslims treating me and my family better than some of our own people back here in the west. You don't know squat and are just a bunch of brain garbage filled losers who profess they think they know something about a people when I bet not a single one of you actually read the quran or read the seerah/biography of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

You are ranting rageaholics yet look so stupid in my eyes. Knowlege erases ignorance and raises intellect. False knowledge just raises pride and arrogance.

Reading quotes with 'explanations' by idiot websites is not reading the quran.

You are coming forward basically going.

You: ANSWER ME, did your mother leave jail or is she still in jail?

Me: Huh what?

You: JUST YES OR NO?

Me: My mother didn't go to jail nor is in jail

You: Just YES or NO!

You are stating something untrue and making it a close ended question or with some hidden meaning.

Now if you quoted to me in the qur'an something and asked me is this not part of the qur'an PLUS the actual context. Then I could answer you with a yes this is a part from islam or no this is not a part from islam.

Quoting verses 'behead the unbelievers wherever you find them' lol... when it is clearly a battle and swords were the weapon of choice. Does not mean 'behead unbelievers' wherever you find them in your neighbourhood/street/work/etc... Are you a retard?

[Thick Nick]

You guys are retards seriously. So what if your wife is indian. Mine is african.

My point was, hindus do honor killings, female infanticide, female abortions, etc... its part of that region's demented culture. I don't see you going after them and trying to 'expose them' for 'their religion'. It sounds just as retarded.

You are spreading bullshit, because you are as shitty as hollywood in the 80s with your 'knowlege' of muslims/islam and even arabs (be they christian or otherwise).

Oh yeah, right, them ayrab mozlemz were chasing me with swords down the street because i was a christian. Get real. I've actually LIVED with them for 6 years. You, have 'lived' through the television.

Arabs/Muslims treating me and my family better than some of our own people back here in the west. You don't know squat and are just a bunch of brain garbage filled losers who profess they think they know something about a people when I bet not a single one of you actually read the quran or read the seerah/biography of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

You are ranting rageaholics yet look so stupid in my eyes. Knowlege erases ignorance and raises intellect. False knowledge just raises pride and arrogance.

Reading quotes with 'explanations' by idiot websites is not reading the quran.

You are coming forward basically going.

You: ANSWER ME, did your mother leave jail or is she still in jail?

Me: Huh what?

You: JUST YES OR NO?

Me: My mother didn't go to jail nor is in jail

You: Just YES or NO!

You are stating something untrue and making it a close ended question or with some hidden meaning.

Now if you quoted to me in the qur'an something and asked me is this not part of the qur'an PLUS the actual context. Then I could answer you with a yes this is a part from islam or no this is not a part from islam.

Quoting verses 'behead the unbelievers wherever you find them' lol... when it is clearly a battle and swords were the weapon of choice. Does not mean 'behead unbelievers' wherever you find them in your neighbourhood/street/work/etc... Are you a retard?

And this post is the end of thread really. You just did it again AFTER I explained to you what I was doing to you. I don't interpret anything from your shotbag religion... I use what your people say against you. Do I think that verse says behead people in 2012? No. But your fucked up religion does... don't give me that's not Islam. It is Islam and until you remove that part of it you are with them and an all around joke.

[a_ahmed]

Do I think that verse says behead people in 2012? No. But your fucked up religion does... don't give me that's not Islam. It is Islam and until you remove that part of it you are with them and an all around joke.

So you contradict yourself. You say no it doesn't mean then yes our *insert fornicate word* religion  says so.

I am extrapolating from your 2012, behead comment. It's talking about A BATTLE, and to strike at heads/fingers of enemies (swords were weapons of the day). It doesn't say randomly kill people because they disbelieve.

In fact when Muslims were sent into battle it was ordered by Muhammad (pbuh) not to harm, women, children, men who do not fight, not even cattle or trees, not houses.

If certain Muslims harm innoscent people yes they are in the wrong. I already went over this.

However you seem to not give up of painting Islam a certain way with your magical constructs from your own mind and what the media spoon feeds you daily.

[Griffith]

You guys are retards seriously. So what if your wife is indian. Mine is african.

My point was, hindus do honor killings, female infanticide, female abortions, etc... its part of that region's demented culture. I don't see you going after them and trying to 'expose them' for 'their religion'. It sounds just as retarded.

You are spreading bullshit, because you are as shitty as hollywood in the 80s with your 'knowlege' of muslims/islam and even arabs (be they christian or otherwise).

Oh yeah, right, them ayrab mozlemz were chasing me with swords down the street because i was a christian. Get real. I've actually LIVED with them for 6 years. You, have 'lived' through the television.

Arabs/Muslims treating me and my family better than some of our own people back here in the west. You don't know squat and are just a bunch of brain garbage filled losers who profess they think they know something about a people when I bet not a single one of you actually read the quran or read the seerah/biography of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

You are ranting rageaholics yet look so stupid in my eyes. Knowlege erases ignorance and raises intellect. False knowledge just raises pride and arrogance.

Reading quotes with 'explanations' by idiot websites is not reading the quran.

You are coming forward basically going.

You: ANSWER ME, did your mother leave jail or is she still in jail?

Me: Huh what?

You: JUST YES OR NO?

Me: My mother didn't go to jail nor is in jail

You: Just YES or NO!

You are stating something untrue and making it a close ended question or with some hidden meaning.

Now if you quoted to me in the qur'an something and asked me is this not part of the qur'an PLUS the actual context. Then I could answer you with a yes this is a part from islam or no this is not a part from islam.

Quoting verses 'behead the unbelievers wherever you find them' lol... when it is clearly a battle and swords were the weapon of choice. Does not mean 'behead unbelievers' wherever you find them in your neighbourhood/street/work/etc... Are you a retard?

A person just has to look at the behaviour of all this protesting Moslems around the world at the moment to understand their 'mentality'.

If Moslems are so great and treat you better then maybe stay with them in their own country instead.

If all Moslems did this, we'd be living in a much better world.

That being said the West is also to blame for interfering in these people's affairs, they should pull out all their troops and financial aid and let everyone kill and oppress each other and be happy.

[a_ahmed]

Yes I did enjoy living there, and I intend to move there again

Ever think that maybe if the west stop fucking with everyone the world would be a much nicer place? Such as oh i dont know, not starting wars, meddling with other people's affairs, imposing puppets and dictators?

The last 100 years have been nothing but political occupations and wars of the middle-east due to who's meddling? Colonialists (British, French, Spanish, Italian, Dutch) and America who pretty much took over that job.

[bigbobs]

a_ahmed single-handedly destroying Griffith, Thick Nick, E-Kul, and Avxo!  His debating skills, knowledge, and logic are second to none.  I enjoy coming on this forum since I noticed his posts, previously I'd spend all of my time on the G&O. 

[Radical Plato]

a_ahmed single-handedly destroying Griffith, Thick Nick, E-Kul, and Avxo!  His debating skills, knowledge, and logic are second to none.  I enjoy coming on this forum since I noticed his posts, previously I'd spend all of my time on the G&O. 

Personally I find a-ahmed to be slightly crazy, his arguments make no sense and are full of contradictions.  The Muslims deny the immorality of the life of Muhammad,  both in his public and personal life not to mention the lack of authenticity and morality of the Quran, their obvious human rights abuses in modern Islamic nations, and the treatment of women in Islamic law and practice is abhorent.  They also hate freedom of speech, calling to behead those who practice it.  Muslims inability to integrate into other cultures due to their indoctrination and juvenile reactions to perceived slights, their use of terrorism, the concept of Jihad and their extreme hatred of non believers is the last thing I would call Logical.  It doesn't surprise me that supporters of an irrational, sociopathic religion accuse others of being illogical.  You just need to see how upset they get when you disagree with them and their overt psychotic beliefs, they literally wan't to kill you.  And then when you point out the crazy shit Muslims do, they twist and contort the truth to suit themselves.  Nothing logical about a_ahmed or his defence of Islam.

[bigbobs]

Personally I find a-ahmed to be slightly crazy, his arguments make no sense and are full of contradictions.  The Muslims deny the immorality of the life of Muhammad,  both in his public and personal life not to mention the lack of authenticity and morality of the Quran, their obvious human rights abuses in modern Islamic nations, and the treatment of women in Islamic law and practice is abhorent.  They also hate freedom of speech, calling to behead those who practice it.  Muslims inability to integrate into other cultures due to their indoctrination and juvenile reactions to perceived slights, their use of terrorism, the concept of Jihad and their extreme hatred of non believers is the last thing I would call Logical.  It doesn't surprise me that supporters of an irrational, sociopathic religion accuse others of being illogical.  You just need to see how upset they get when you disagree with them and their overt psychotic beliefs, they literally wan't to kill you.  And then when you point out the crazy shit Muslims do, they twist and contort the truth to suit themselves.  Nothing logical about a_ahmed or his defence of Islam.

Your huge post/rant basically contains your individual opinion on morality/immoraility and then the bulk of it discusses various generalizations of Muslims in the world and makes the false or should I say "illogical " inference that the religion is to blame for the the mis-practices of some Muslims today.

[Donny]

a_ahmed single-handedly destroying Griffith, Thick Nick, E-Kul, and Avxo!  His debating skills, knowledge, and logic are second to none.  I enjoy coming on this forum since I noticed his posts, previously I'd spend all of my time on the G&O. 

do not think so .. the guy is a dick and who the fuck are Muslims to tell anyone anything. You live in our lands you do as your told, live our way of life or stay where you are and live your middle age sad lives with your sheep. The guy just writes what they have Brainwashed him with. I for one do not agree Muslims should come to the UK and build their Mosks .. and go on the streets shouting about fucking Allah. Any  guy who comes on here and writes that british/American soldiers are legitimate targets is a piece of shit. If i ever got this guy i would put him in Hospital. Fucking Radical Bastards all i can say is fuck off to your Islamic lands if you do not like the UK, France; Germany, the US.

[Radical Plato]

Your huge post/rant basically contains your individual opinion on morality/immoraility and then the bulk of it discusses various generalizations of Muslims in the world and makes the false or should I say "illogical " inference that the religion is to blame for the the mis-practices of some Muslims today.

Can't stand religious zealots, they will kill you before they see reason, it's either you believe what they do or your a fucking satan worshipper who doesn't know anything about anything.  No wonder religion is hated.

[Griffith]

a_ahmed single-handedly destroying Griffith, Thick Nick, E-Kul, and Avxo!  His debating skills, knowledge, and logic are second to none.  I enjoy coming on this forum since I noticed his posts, previously I'd spend all of my time on the G&O. 

Coming from the guy who thinks Nasser was the greatest bodybuilder ever....