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Corzine calls for tougher gun laws
By Jonathan Tamari and Allison Steele
Inquirer Staff Writers
Gov. Corzine called yesterday for tougher gun laws at the state and national levels, citing the recent discovery of 259 firearms at a man's Gloucester County home as a reason to bring back a federal ban on assault weapons.
Corzine also called on the state Senate to give final legislative approval to a plan to limit New Jersey handgun buyers to one purchase every 30 days - putting public pressure on lawmakers to pass a bill that appears stalled.
"There is no reason why anyone needs more than one gun a month," Corzine said. "It is time for the Senate to take this bill up and pass it."
The Assembly has approved the measure.
Corzine made the calls for tougher laws before a roomful of gun-control advocates who had gathered as he signed a law increasing the penalties for illegally possessing machine guns or assault weapons in New Jersey.
He said a federal assault-weapons ban was needed to complement New Jersey's restrictions. A national ban "in theory" would have blocked Brian Hinkel from amassing such a large arsenal at his Franklin Township home, Corzine said.
Hinkel, whose 259 weapons were discovered in late January, faces numerous criminal charges, including five counts of possession of an assault rifle.
Bryan Miller, executive director of Ceasefire NJ, said that even though New Jersey bans assault weapons, they can be bought in other states and brought here illegally. A national ban would prevent buyers from obtaining assault weapons anywhere, he said.
"They're made to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible, and as such they have no use in a society," Miller said.
Hinkel, 59, came to widespread attention after police found a store of firearms at his home. It was discovered after state troopers arrived to question him about his ties to a suspect in a recent burglary. Police are still investigating how and where Hinkel, a former Vineland police officer with no criminal record, obtained all of the weapons.
Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association, said Corzine should focus on existing regulations, noting that anyone in New Jersey who possesses an assault weapon is already breaking the law.
"The reason gun control laws and especially laws like this don't work is that criminals by definition don't obey the law," Arulanandam said. "If Gov. Corzine was serious about combatting crime, he would put the focus on prosecuting criminals who violate existing gun laws."
A nationwide assault weapons ban expired in 2004.
Evan Nappen, an Eatontown, N.J., lawyer whose practice focuses on firearms law, said the definition of "assault weapon" is often based on technical factors that do not relate to how dangerous a gun is.
"This is just another show for the public that will have no effect on crime," he said.
Within the state, Senate Majority Leader Stephen Sweeney (D., Gloucester), one of the opponents of the one-handgun-per-month bill, said New Jersey has enough laws. Its gun problems stem from other states with more lax regulations, he said, noting that the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence recently ranked New Jersey's gun laws as the second toughest in the nation, behind only California.
Sweeney also argued that some law-abiding citizens buy several handguns at once so they don't have to go through repeated waiting periods.
Police have said the discovery at Hinkel's home might be the largest weapons find in a state police investigation. The guns included semiautomatic rifles, handguns, antique guns, and World War II-era firearms of various calibers.
Police have said it would take some time to complete the investigation and have not commented on how many of the weapons are suspected of being illegal.
Hinkel's attorney has denied that Hinkel threatened police officers.
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This garbage needs to end immediately.
These liberal governors are seeking to shift focus away from their own fiscal irresponsiblity to doing away with our 2nd Amendment rights.
Who was for strict gun control?
hitler/stalin/mao/ pol pot/ nazi's/communists and tyrants.
Nice.
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Fist step,take their guns,then no one will oppose us.
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Fist step,take their guns,then no one will oppose us.
Ill give him my address.
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Liberal governors, liberal politicians have been singing this song for a long time.
nothing new.
It's just now, someone in their party happens to be president ;D >:(
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The haters on this board should really learn to pace themselves
You got 4 years and maybe 8 and you don't want to burn out too soon
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The haters on this board should really learn to pace themselves
You got 4 years and maybe 8 and you don't want to burn out too soon
You know what, the liberals like Corzine Obama Pelosi Reid know they have a small window to get through a radical agenda before they lose congress or before the election cycle begins.
That is why they are going full blast on all this nonsense.
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im kinda suprised this isnt in the stimulus with all the pet projects that are in there
obama going after guns will be his downfall if he chooses to do so it will assure 1 term.
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I don't understand the Assault Weapons Ban.
Anyone that's going to commit a crime with an Assault Weapons will possess such a weapon regardless of a ban.
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I don't understand the Assault Weapons Ban.
Anyone that's going to commit a crime with an Assault Weapons will possess such a weapon regardless of a ban.
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thats why they are criminals, this little detail escapes them.
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thats why they are criminals, this little detail escapes them.
Yeah, no shit.
So why keep them out of the hands of responsible law abiding citizens.
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I don't understand the Assault Weapons Ban.
Anyone that's going to commit a crime with an Assault Weapons will possess such a weapon regardless of a ban.
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because assault weapons can only be used for illegal purposes. A rifle can be used to hunt, shoot targets etc. An assault rifle has no use outside of the battlefield.
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because assault weapons can only be used for illegal purposes. A rifle can be used to hunt, shoot targets etc. An assault rifle has no use outside of the battlefield.
not true brain child, you can hunt with a assualt rifle, you can enjoy it at the range.
Our speed limits dont go over what 80 mph why have cars that can go faster?
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because assault weapons can only be used for illegal purposes. A rifle can be used to hunt, shoot targets etc. An assault rifle has no use outside of the battlefield.
Are you joking?
Any weapon can be used for illegal purposes.
That's completely beside the point.
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because assault weapons can only be used for illegal purposes. A rifle can be used to hunt, shoot targets etc. An assault rifle has no use outside of the battlefield.
The second amendment was meant to be a check on the government, it's not about hunting or target practice.
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Are you joking?
Any weapon can be used for illegal purposes.
That's completely beside the point.
I understand that. What i'm saying is assault rifles outside of killing people have no value. There are enough guns for enough purposes already, do we really need assault rifles being legally obtained? I know you dislike government involvement you're a Ron Paul man, i get that, but banning assault rifles isn't a bad thing.
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I understand that. What i'm saying is assault rifles outside of killing people have no value. There are enough guns for enough purposes already, do we really need assault rifles being legally obtained? I know you dislike government involvement you're a Ron Paul man, i get that, but banning assault rifles isn't a bad thing.
Its an infringement on constitutional rights and yes that is a bad thing. Whats next semi automatic rifles, automatic pistols, dart guns? LOL
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The second amendment was meant to be a check on the government, it's not about hunting or target practice.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE 2ND AMENDMENT IS MEANT TO ENFORCE THE 1ST WHEN THE GOVT TRIES TO TAKE IT AWAY.
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because assault weapons can only be used for illegal purposes. A rifle can be used to hunt, shoot targets etc. An assault rifle has no use outside of the battlefield.
Utter nonsense.
What is an "Assault Weapon"????
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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE 2ND AMENDMENT IS MEANT TO ENFORCE THE 1ST WHEN THE GOVT TRIES TO TAKE IT AWAY.
I smell an Oswald sympathizer
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Utter nonsense.
What is an "Assault Weapon"????
hahahah
the truth is this guy doesnt know much about guns which is why he believes the way he does.
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I don't understand the Assault Weapons Ban.
Anyone that's going to commit a crime with an Assault Weapons will possess such a weapon regardless of a ban.
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Hahaha, exactly. Such a small number of crimes are committed with assault weapons anyway.
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because assault weapons can only be used for illegal purposes. A rifle can be used to hunt, shoot targets etc. An assault rifle has no use outside of the battlefield.
Suppose three armed assholes decide to rush my home in the middle of the night.
is a 10-round handgun sufficient? it is not.
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Suppose three armed assholes decide to rush my home in the middle of the night.
is a 10-round handgun sufficient? it is not.
why are they rushing your house? did you do something bad?
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why are they rushing your house? did you do something bad?
LOL you are really that dule arent you? suppose they are there to rob him or hey just murder for kicks.
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LOL you are really that dule arent you? suppose they are there to rob him or hey just murder for kicks.
dule? the irony of such a statement.
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dule? the irony of such a statement.
answer the question
Suppose three armed assholes decide to rush my home in the middle of the night.
is a 10-round handgun sufficient? it is not.
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answer the question
Can i use one of my lifelines?
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Suppose three armed assholes decide to rush my home in the middle of the night.
is a 10-round handgun sufficient? it is not.
Honestly it should be or at the very least a shotgun....I have a shotgun with the correct loads, for home defense. I'dd take the shotgun over a SAW or m-60. I never fired the M-4 on 3rd burst...u really can't control ur shots. 240 I have to assume u can hit what u fire at as ur a gun nut. If u hit the first guy, idiots 2 and 3 will run, duck or stall..giving u time to double tap their idiot asses. I don't expect u will be attacked by Delta commando's.
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Honestly it should be or at the very least a shotgun....I have a shotgun with the correct loads, for home defense. I'dd take the shotgun over a SAW or m-60. I never fired the M-4 on 3rd burst...u really can't control ur shots. 240 I have to assume u can hit what u fire at as ur a gun nut. If u hit the first guy, idiots 2 and 3 will run, duck or stall..giving u time to double tap their idiot asses. I don't expect u will be attacked by Delta commando's.
very true something goes down in my house im going straight for the shotgun
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Honestly it should be or at the very least a shotgun....I have a shotgun with the correct loads, for home defense. I'dd take the shotgun over a SAW or m-60. I never fired the M-4 on 3rd burst...u really can't control ur shots. 240 I have to assume u can hit what u fire at as ur a gun nut. If u hit the first guy, idiots 2 and 3 will run, duck or stall..giving u time to double tap their idiot asses. I don't expect u will be attacked by Delta commando's.
What do you think about banning Assault Weapons?
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If this happened in nebraska....the gov wouldn't sniff the idea of banning assault rifles. This is where logic comes into play and we realize areas with huge chunks of people are liberal..thus stricter gun laws, and place's widely dispursted have less strict gun laws. And some people wonder why gun laws are so tight in new york city.
OMG THEYRE GONNA TAKE OUR GUNS.
Fucking ct'ers ill tell ya
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If this happened in nebraska....the gov wouldn't sniff the idea of banning assault rifles. This is where logic comes into play and we realize areas with huge chunks of people are liberal..thus stricter gun laws, and place's widely dispursted have less strict gun laws. And some people wonder why gun laws are so tight in new york city.
OMG THEYRE GONNA TAKE OUR GUNS.
Fucking ct'ers ill tell ya
Are you Bipolar?
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no i'm not. But this is where my logic goes against my hate for our government. I understand the fact that law's on gun in largely populated area's are a little more strict...for a reason. Whiny bitches
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If this happened in nebraska....the gov wouldn't sniff the idea of banning assault rifles. This is where logic comes into play and we realize areas with huge chunks of people are liberal..thus stricter gun laws, and place's widely dispursted have less strict gun laws. And some people wonder why gun laws are so tight in new york city.
OMG THEYRE GONNA TAKE OUR GUNS.
Fucking ct'ers ill tell ya
well when you have ppl advocating a nation wide assault rifle ban they are trying to get our guns are they not?
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I'm torn because I don't like gov limits on weapons but I also went out to test for the the LAPD , 1 week after the North Hollywood shootout. They were outgunned and it was a huge problem. I've also been to the National machine gun shoot in Kentucky...its wild and none of the gun nuts there have any intention of holding up a bank of invading 240's house. Do u need one..no. I think u should have to get a Federal license like the dealers license and leave it at that. A machine isn't great for home defense. Maybe we could go for 15 rnd clips...
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well when you have ppl advocating a nation wide assault rifle ban they are trying to get our guns are they not?
i don't know. But it would be an ugly day when that law goes in to effect
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I'm torn because I don't like gov limits on weapons but I also went out to test for the the LAPD , 1 week after the North Hollywood shootout. They were outgunned and it was a huge problem. I've also been to the National machine gun shoot in Kentucky...its wild and none of the gun nuts there have any intention of holding up a bank of invading 240's house. Do u need one..no. I think u should have to get a Federal license like the dealers license and leave it at that. A machine isn't great for home defense. Maybe we could go for 15 rnd clips...
Wouldn't the gunmen from the North Hollywood shootout have had assault weapons regardless of a ban?
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Wouldn't the gunmen from the North Hollywood shootout have had assault weapons regardless of a ban?
probably so they made themselves body armor for their entire bodies except their heads which you cant buy if they where willing to do that they would have gotten assualt rifles one way or the other.
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probably so they made themselves body armor for their entire bodies except their heads which you cant buy if they where willing to do that they would have gotten assualt rifles one way or the other.
I saw a show about them on the History Channel, looked absolutely brutal. :-X
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I saw a show about them on the History Channel, looked absolutely brutal. :-X
ya crazy shit man
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Yes....it was nuts. I guess the major problem was the swat units couldn't get there. After that all watch commanders had M-4 in their trunks. I have no idea now..cops are much better armed...better courses etc. Once Homeland Defense kicked in...the money flowed. Our Police chief is like 60...he got to go to the FBI local law enforcement course they offer. U can go to Blackwater and dozens of other courses.
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Honestly it should be or at the very least a shotgun....I have a shotgun with the correct loads, for home defense. I'dd take the shotgun over a SAW or m-60. I never fired the M-4 on 3rd burst...u really can't control ur shots. 240 I have to assume u can hit what u fire at as ur a gun nut. If u hit the first guy, idiots 2 and 3 will run, duck or stall..giving u time to double tap their idiot asses. I don't expect u will be attacked by Delta commando's.
True, but you never know... If Delta commandos come after me... I got something for them too.
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i watched the video of the shootout and was thinking why dont they has some swat snipers on rooftops picking these guys off?
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Swat got stuck in traffic or something....
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i watched the video of the shootout and was thinking why dont they has some swat snipers on rooftops picking these guys off?
Really? Why couldn't they?
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Swat got stuck in traffic or something....
Oh
Did you ever see that video of that suicidal man with the pistol, a police sniper shot the gun right out of his hand.
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Only morons think that taking guns away will help anything.
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Only morons think that taking guns away will help anything.
Stop now I'm having a heart attack.
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Stop now I'm having a heart attack.
dude. why dont u post on the sports board anymore?
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I don't understand the Assault Weapons Ban.
Anyone that's going to commit a crime with an Assault Weapons will possess such a weapon regardless of a ban.
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so if we ban assault weapons then it will be just as easy to get one post ban as it is now?
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so if we ban assault weapons then it will be just as easy to get one post ban as it is now?
No. The new ban being proposed is a lot more than the cosmetic nonsense that the 1993 bill was about. This bans all semi autos.
Its insane and would ban gunds like the Ruger 10/22 which is a .22 cal rifle.
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Liberal governors, liberal politicians have been singing this song for a long time.
nothing new.
It's just now, someone in their party happens to be president ;D >:(
stupid move. It will come back to bite the ones who thought they had a green light during this period.
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so if we ban assault weapons then it will be just as easy to get one post ban as it is now?
I think so... yes.
You don't go buying assault rifles at the local gun store really.
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I think so... yes.
You don't go buying assault rifles at the local gun store really.
Guys, seriously, the first ban was a joke because it only affected cosmetic things like bayonet mounts and collapsable stocks and high cap mags.
The new ban is to affect all semi auto's and not have the weaknesses the old ban did.
I bought a post ban ar15 in September and they are literally almosat impossible to get right now.
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Guys, seriously, the first ban was a joke because it only affected cosmetic things like bayonet mounts and collapsable stocks and high cap mags.
The new ban is to affect all semi auto's and not have the weaknesses the old ban did.
I bought a post ban ar15 in September and they are literally almosat impossible to get right now.
WTF? :o
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Guys, seriously, the first ban was a joke because it only affected cosmetic things like bayonet mounts and collapsable stocks and high cap mags.
The new ban is to affect all semi auto's and not have the weaknesses the old ban did.
I bought a post ban ar15 in September and they are literally almosat impossible to get right now.
so many people will never understand how these things graduate incrementally. So when you hear someone opposing something based on the direction of the legislation this is a lesson that you should heed the worry and not ignore it and truly consider what the next and next steps might be once X law or legislation is passed. I can't count the number of times I've been told this or that isn't a big deal and years later see the next installment only to have people who said it wouldn't come to that long gone or with no memory or care of what started it.
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I have an SKS with a bayonet and 4 50rnd, and 2 30rnd clips this would affect me being able to buy others like this, but really if someone breaks in my house I am grabbing my mossberg.
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so if we ban assault weapons then it will be just as easy to get one post ban as it is now?
no the law abiding person wont be able to get one, but a criminal who operates outside the law more then likely didnt buy theres legally anyway so while it probably wouldnt be just as easy it certainly wouldnt deter anybody if they wanted it.
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I think so... yes.
You don't go buying assault rifles at the local gun store really.
so a ban would be useless?
why even bother trying
why not just make everything legal
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Guys, seriously, the first ban was a joke because it only affected cosmetic things like bayonet mounts and collapsable stocks and high cap mags.
The new ban is to affect all semi auto's and not have the weaknesses the old ban did.
I bought a post ban ar15 in September and they are literally almosat impossible to get right now.
All semi autos? Seriously retarded.
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All semi autos? Seriously retarded.
I hope this is not the case.
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I hope this is not the case.
Read up on it. The original AWB was not that bad because it was so full of loop holes and only affected cosmetic things like collpasable stocks, bayonets, flash supressors, etc.. It has nothing to do with the actual mechanic's of the rifle itself.
For example - your typical AR15 "BLACK RIFLE" pre ban had a collapsible stock, post ban it was fixex stock. No big deal. I have a "post ban" AR15 and the fixed stock is perfectly fine.
They are also talking about making people buy registered ammo.
I think after this stimulus bill mess, Obama will have to tell Pelosi to STFU and not even try this stuff.
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So I'd have to give up my harmless M1 Carbine? ??? ;D
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my brother and I debate this. what is better for home defense? he'd take a mossberg any day. I'd prefer an AR15 rifle. Two guys running in at once, if you don't hit them both with the shotgun blast, the other guy is going to cap you while re-cocking, even if it only takes a fraction fo a second. I much prefer the line of suppressive fire they're both running thru.
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Honestly it should be or at the very least a shotgun....I have a shotgun with the correct loads, for home defense. I'dd take the shotgun over a SAW or m-60. I never fired the M-4 on 3rd burst...u really can't control ur shots. 240 I have to assume u can hit what u fire at as ur a gun nut. If u hit the first guy, idiots 2 and 3 will run, duck or stall..giving u time to double tap their idiot asses. I don't expect u will be attacked by Delta commando's.
LOL...
I prefer the home team to be better armed than the invaders. If we both are firing 9 mm at each other, they have the element of surprise on a groggy 240, and they also have numbers advantage. Two men with 9mm in each hand... definitely a headache for our hero running for his 5 shot 38.
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my brother and I debate this. what is better for home defense? he'd take a mossberg any day. I'd prefer an AR15 rifle. Two guys running in at once, if you don't hit them both with the shotgun blast, the other guy is going to cap you while re-cocking, even if it only takes a fraction fo a second. I much prefer the line of suppressive fire they're both running thru.
dude you hit the first guy in close range with a 12 gauge and second guy isnt gonna keep coming. Second thats why you should have an semi automatic shotgun ;D i dont but have been wanting one for quite a while i do have a side by side crack barrel though so i guess i would be ok in your scenario. ;).
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LOL...
I prefer the home team to be better armed than the invaders. If we both are firing 9 mm at each other, they have the element of surprise on a groggy 240, and they also have numbers advantage. Two men with 9mm in each hand... definitely a headache for our hero running for his 5 shot 38.
In all honesty, probably a Hi capacity 17 shot Glock is best. Yeah a shot gun is aewsome, but it is cumbersome to wield around.
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All semi autos? Seriously retarded.
In the recent Heller vs DC case I believe they ruled that banning semi autos was unconstitutional however I wouldn't be surprised to see people push for it anyway.
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In the recent Heller vs DC case I believe they ruled that banning semi autos was unconstitutional however I wouldn't be surprised to see people push for it anyway.
Not really. The Heller decision only said the right is an individual right to bear arm and applied to standard weapons, not all of them. It left a lot of items open for future debate.
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What some people don't realize is that the new ban would also limit high cap magazines(10 or more) that means no more 19 round magazines for the Glock 19, or 12 + 1 rounds with my brand new XD40. Also, no pistol grip stocks for shotguns(even the grip/stock combo) It will get worse...write your congressman/woman.
By the way...where do you guys get these fully automatic assault rifles? They are not easy to get; while you can buy an assault rifle they are SEMIAUTOMATIC. You have to have a class 3 license to get a fully automatic weapon. That is pretty tough to get even in a gun friendly state like here in South Carolina.
Regular assault rifles are plentiful down here...ARs, Mini 14, M-14, Fals, M-1 carbines, and MP-5s, racks of them at my local gunshop. Ya'll come on down!!!
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What some people don't realize is that the new ban would also limit high cap magazines(10 or more) that means no more 19 round magazines for the Glock 19, or 12 + 1 rounds with my brand new XD40. Also, no pistol grip stocks for shotguns(even the grip/stock combo) It will get worse...write your congressman/woman.
By the way...where do you guys get these fully automatic assault rifles? They are not easy to get; while you can buy an assault rifle they are SEMIAUTOMATIC. You have to have a class 3 license to get a fully automatic weapon. That is pretty tough to get even in a gun friendly state like here in South Carolina.
Regular assault rifles are plentiful down here...ARs, Mini 14, M-14, Fals, M-1 carbines, and MP-5s, racks of them at my local gunshop. Ya'll come on down!!!
actually the last ban also banned high cap mags and pistol grips...same down here in texas with the automatic liscense also they are from what i hear fairly expensive to get and maintain...also same with the plenti of assualt rifles and sub machine guns but they have all jumped in price since barry got in office.
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actually the last ban also banned high cap mags and pistol grips...same down here in texas with the automatic liscense also they are from what i hear fairly expensive to get and maintain...also same with the plenti of assualt rifles and sub machine guns but they have all jumped in price since barry got in office.
If you want to laugh, I bought a Bushmaster AR in September for $960.00. You cant even get one over here now.
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If you want to laugh, I bought a Bushmaster AR in September for $960.00. You cant even get one over here now.
i got a smith and wesson ar back like 5 or 6 months ago that was like 900 with a 100 dollar rebate and now they are up to about 1100 or higher now without a rebate. Shit is crazy AK's are like 600-700 dollars right now if we where smart we would have stalked up on assault rifles and be selling them now at a premium.
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Everybody is scared of the big black gun. LOL
Yeah, a few months ago all of those weapons I just listed you could get for under a grand. I think the FAL is the only one under a grand now; that is if you can find a used one. ARs here run almost $1500, that's freaking crazy to pay that. At a local gun store here they are asking $1000+ for any model 1911s. It's getting insane.
Not to mention some manufacturers prices before the most anti-gun administration ever elected got into office. A HK USP45 is $900 dollars.
Of course my local gun shop has plenty of handgun ammo, but has anyone had any problems getting ammo from Wallyworld or any other such place?
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The big sporting good stores can't keep the cheap target stuff stocked, atleast in the KC metro area.
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Everybody is scared of the big black gun. LOL
Yeah, a few months ago all of those weapons I just listed you could get for under a grand. I think the FAL is the only one under a grand now; that is if you can find a used one. ARs here run almost $1500, that's freaking crazy to pay that. At a local gun store here they are asking $1000+ for any model 1911s. It's getting insane.
Not to mention some manufacturers prices before the most anti-gun administration ever elected got into office. A HK USP45 is $900 dollars.
Of course my local gun shop has plenty of handgun ammo, but has anyone had any problems getting ammo from Wallyworld or any other such place?
havent had any problems getting ammo but my pops reloads the majority of his shit so not a problem there anyway...
why would the price of 1911's go up? i mean thats just gotta be panic, i can understand assault rifles and sub machine guns or even a high capacity pistol but 1911's ???
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Yeah...I don't get it earlier. Maybe it's just a regional thing here, but ALL of them are. The Colts, Springfields, S&Ws, Kimbers, Taurus, etc. I think it is part panic/nostalgia thing. What I mean by that is a person that is buying a firearm for the first time sees and recognizes a 1911 and also wants the big bad gun on the block like a typical American.(The 1911s are a bigger pistol than most polymers as you know) I don't know...I was just asking because I'm curious and I think it might be a local thing around here. Shotguns and 1911s are flying off the shelves, but we have plenty of ARs if you guys want one. LOL
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Yeah...I don't get it earlier. Maybe it's just a regional thing here, but ALL of them are. The Colts, Springfields, S&Ws, Kimbers, Taurus, etc. I think it is part panic/nostalgia thing. What I mean by that is a person that is buying a firearm for the first time sees and recognizes a 1911 and also wants the big bad gun on the block like a typical American.(The 1911s are a bigger pistol than most polymers as you know) I don't know...I was just asking because I'm curious and I think it might be a local thing around here. Shotguns and 1911s are flying off the shelves, but we have plenty of ARs if you guys want one. LOL
Why's everyone get down on the 1911? ???
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Why's everyone get down on the 1911's? ???
Seems to me, if someone wants a good arsenal of weapons without spending an absolute fiortune:
1. Remington 870 - 12 gauge - Shot Gun
2. Glock 17 - 9mm - Handgun
3. Colt/Bushmaster/Rock River - AR15 .223 - Tac rifle
4. Remington 700 - .308 - Long distance
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2. Glock 17 - 9mm - Handgun
For someone that knows what they're doing though, the M1911 is a great gun. Don't you think? ???
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Why's everyone get down on the 1911? ???
I have no idea. I want one one day, but I'm not paying that amount for a damn pistol.
I agree on the Remington 870, I also like the Mossberg 590A with 18" barrel for home defense. Creates a better pattern for HD, and is very easy to control.
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For someone that knows what they're doing though, the M1911 is a great gun. Don't you think? ???
Definitely, I love the 1911s. They are just a little pricey for my tastes right now. You do need to know what you are doing. I would NEVER suggest a 1911 to a new shooter.
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For someone that knows what they're doing though, the M1911 is a great gun. Don't you think? ???
Of course, but 9mm is cheaper to shoot and practice with. Glocks are also very good guns for the price. They are not eh best of the best, but they do the job.
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Yeah...I don't get it earlier. Maybe it's just a regional thing here, but ALL of them are. The Colts, Springfields, S&Ws, Kimbers, Taurus, etc. I think it is part panic/nostalgia thing. What I mean by that is a person that is buying a firearm for the first time sees and recognizes a 1911 and also wants the big bad gun on the block like a typical American.(The 1911s are a bigger pistol than most polymers as you know) I don't know...I was just asking because I'm curious and I think it might be a local thing around here. Shotguns and 1911s are flying off the shelves, but we have plenty of ARs if you guys want one. LOL
i think most kimber 1911's go for around 1100 as it is my brother got one a while back just for kicks for like 800 but his was a taurus. I agree though they are the typical hand gun for most ppl so maybe their sells are up so price is up. Ive wanted one for a long time but i just cant bring myself to pay 800 or so dollars for a pistol when there are so many other guns out there i would like better for the price maybe later on down the road.
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i think most kimber 1911's go for around 1100 as it is my brother got one a while back just for kicks for like 800 but his was a taurus. I agree though they are the typical hand gun for most ppl so maybe their sells are up so price is up. Ive wanted one for a long time but i just cant bring myself to pay 800 or so dollars for a pistol when there are so many other guns out there i would like better for the price maybe later on down the road.
The 1911 is the handgun of USSOCOM and it is for a reason. It is a fantastic pistol.
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The 1911 is the handgun of USSOCOM and it is for a reason. It is a fantastic pistol.
ya but like i said for 800 bucks there are a lot more guns id rather have.
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The 1911 is the handgun of USSOCOM and it is for a reason. It is a fantastic pistol.
Stopping what u shoot at is a wonderful thing.
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Stopping what u shoot at is a wonderful thing.
Yes sir it is. It's amazing after all these years thats still what the special operators use.
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ya but like i said for 800 bucks there are a lot more guns id rather have.
$900.00
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870 Remington - $299.00
Glock 17 - $499.00
$150 - for ammo for both guns.
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Yes sir it is. It's amazing after all these years thats still what the special operators use.
Now if u look at their 1911's they barely look like what we're talking about, plus all the 1911 gunnuts who make specialty parts for that weapons square the SOF guys away. If we ever change back to the 1911 it will be because the SOF community makes the push. They also have mainlined the H@K 416, which looks like an M-4 if u have all the crap on it. We're supposed to be looking of our next family of small arms.
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Now if u look at their 1911's they barely look like what we're talking about, plus all the 1911 gunnuts who make specialty parts for that weapons square the SOF guys away. If we ever change back to the 1911 it will be because the SOF community makes the push. They also have mainlined the H@K 416, which looks like an M-4 if u have all the crap on it. We're supposed to be looking of our next family of small arms.
Dude, have you shot the 416? My buddy was recon/marsoc and let me shoot his 416 when I was on base. Holy shit that thing can rail and shoots smooth as fuck.
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I thought SOF were also using HK and Sig polymer pistols chambered in .45. Less jamming in harsh conditions than a 1911. I do like the 1911s, they are just a little too pricey for me at the moment.