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What will happen to america over the next 4 years?? Seems like we are on the cusp of a major, irreversible turning point. Even if obamacare does prove to be a failure, that fact will be greatly tempered by the fact the media is heavily pro-left and barely covers the administration's shortcomings, much less goes on the attack, and routinely demonizes the opposition by a huge margin. Combined with the fact that the numbers of illegal immigrants increases every day (by design) AND low information/gov dependant voters increase in numbers every day, the numbers seem quite ominous. If the
socialistsdemocrats win the House next year, we can expect to see a full-blown push towards socialism unhindered by any major opposition.
By the time obama's term ends we will have obamacare, strong gun control laws, probably a list of other government- mandated programs and massive regulation/control of various sectors. What will happen then if another socialist dem takes office in 2017? What if they win by a small margin, then continue to ram thru liberal agendas like they have a mandate? Will that be the point where we start seeing serious backlashes/uprisings/secession movements? Will the nation be full of riots and unrest? Will the union be temped to split up? Or will the nation just lay back and say oh well and embrace full european style socialism with apathy?
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Yes.
We are almost there.
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I doubt it, unless the Democrats take the House back and keep the Senate in 2014.
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And what is the tipping point gentlemen? Anyone?
An idea. ?
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I doubt it, unless the Democrats take the House back and keep the Senate in 2014.
Let's assume that happens
what would the Dems do in the following to years to make the US a socialist state?
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Let's assume that happens
what would the Dems do in the following to years to make the US a socialist state?
Continue their massive expansion of government/debt, meddle in everyone's lives and try to tell them what's best for them, vastly increase regulation of virtually everything they want, pick apart the constitution as they wish, take more from everyone's paycheck...without the House there to act as a wedge in the door, they will have a free for all..
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Continue their massive expansion of government/debt, meddle in everyone's lives and try to tell them what's best for them, vastly increase regulation of virtually everything they want, pick apart the constitution as they wish, take more from everyone's paycheck...without the House there to act as a wedge in the door, they will have a free for all..
be specific
what exactly would they do in the last two years to make this country a socialist state
Of course you know that public sector jobs under Obama have actually shrunk by 700k (and they went up by 1.75 million under the last POTUS) so you can't use that old tired fairytale of "massive government expansion
vastly increasing regulation on virtually everything is yet another one of those horseshit statements right wingers like to throw out to get themselves fired up
BE SPECIFIC
What could the Dems possibly do in the last two years of an Obama administration to make us a socialist state. We know they are not going to scrap the ACA and institute a single payer system so what else could they do that would be "socialist"
are they going to give everyone free college education ?
are they going to give everyone free abortions without any restrictions?
come on, give me some specifics
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I just deposited a post-lunch strawman in the toilet, light tannish in color, strawlike consistency. Used approximately 24 squares to wipe
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I think the whole immigration issue is a play by the left to create a single party system in the future..... theyre basically shuttling in a huge voter base that the republicans will never, ever be able to touch.
If they effectively eliminate the republicans.... it, would be bad news, for everyone, although I doubt many on the left would think so.
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I just deposited a post-lunch strawman in the toilet, light tannish in color, strawlike consistency. Used approximately 24 squares to wipe
just as I figured
no ability to refute my statements
makes sense though, since your claims are lies or just generic right wing hysteria
Sheesh - all you need to do is provide some specific examples of how what the Dems will do to make us a socialist state by 2017
I guess if you can't do it then your premise is bogus
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I think the whole immigration issue is a play by the left to create a single party system in the future..... theyre basically shuttling in a huge voter base that the republicans will never, ever be able to touch.
If they effectively eliminate the republicans.... it, would be bad news, for everyone, although I doubt many on the left would think so.
Repubs are doing a great job of eliminating themselves
now there is talk of the teabagger splitting off into their own party
is that the Dems fault too?
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Repubs are doing a great job of eliminating themselves
now there is talk of the teabagger splitting off into their own party
is that the Dems fault too?
huh? No, of course not. But someone needs to come up with a viable alternativr because the direction were headed is bad news..... But to deny that the democrats are using immigration to try and assure their parties dominance for the next half century is naiive, best.
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huh? No, of course not. But someone needs to come up with a viable alternativr because the direction were headed is bad news..... But to deny that the democrats are using immigration to try and assure their parties dominance for the next half century is naiive, best.
why don't the Repubs just jump on the immigrant angle then ?
You act like Dems are only interested in immigration issue because they assume it will get them votes
Did it ever occur to you that immigration is an issue all by itself, regardless of who they vote for
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why don't the Repubs just jump on the immigrant angle then ?
You act like Dems are only interested in immigration issue because they assume it will get them votes
Did it ever occur to you that immigration is an issue all by itself, regardless of who they vote for
Are you seriously implying that they arent trying to leverage the issue for their partys future? You really think most democrat politicians give a flying fuck about illegals? Hell, they barely give a shit about you, just enough to get your vote..... of course the issue is about votes .... dude either you just like to argue or your naiive as fuck.
They know, as we all do, that 90% ofHispanic immigrants will never, ever votr republican, just like blacks vote overwhelmingly democrat.
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why don't the Repubs just jump on the immigrant angle then ?
You act like Dems are only interested in immigration issue because they assume it will get them votes
Did it ever occur to you that immigration is an issue all by itself, regardless of who they vote for
It's about several things, votes, power grab by Latinos and egalitarian fantasies.
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why don't the Repubs just jump on the immigrant angle then ?
You act like Dems are only interested in immigration issue because they assume it will get them votes
Did it ever occur to you that immigration is an issue all by itself, regardless of who they vote for
Votes are the sole reason they are pushing so hard for amnesty. It doesn't matter to them that amnesty would be extremely bad for the country.
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It's about several things, votes, power grab by Latinos and egalitarian fantasies.
yeah, not because there any other other issues regarding immigration in this country
if it weren't for getting votes (for one party) we could just leave everything the way it is .... no other actual problems regarding immmigration
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yeah, not because there any other other issues regarding immigration in this country
if it weren't for getting votes (for one party) we could just leave everything the way it is .... no other actual problems regarding immmigration
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I guess that's why no Repubs at all have any interest in immigration reform....right
I mean, why would they be interested when it's solely a vehicle to help Dems get votes
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yeah, not because there any other other issues regarding immigration in this country
if it weren't for getting votes (for one party) we could just leave everything the way it is .... no other actual problems regarding immmigration
There are a ton of problems with immigration policy but amnesty is no solution. Democrats know that immigrants tend to vote democratic. What other possible reason would they have to screw native born workers by allowing lax immigration other than as a strategy to get votes. Republics who support the horrible immigration reform bill are doing it for votes or to secure cheap labor for their corporate benefactors.
Give five good reasons allowing illegal immigrants amnesty is a good idea.
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I guess that's why no Repubs at all have any interest in immigration reform....right
I mean, why would they be interested when it's solely a vehicle to help Dems get votes
Yes some republicans do support immigration reform bill
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Yes some republicans do support immigration reform bill
posted yesterday on Politico.com
Polls: Immigration reform could aid GOP
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/polls-immigration-reform-could-aid-gop-98118.html
someone needs to inform Repubs of the political braintrust over here at GB.com
We know that this issue is really just phony baloney to help Dems get more votes
Someone has to warn Repubs before they fall for the trick of thinking it could help them too
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posted yesterday on Politico.com
Polls: Immigration reform could aid GOP
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/polls-immigration-reform-could-aid-gop-98118.html
someone needs to inform Repubs of the political braintrust over here at GB.com
We know that this issue is really just phony baloney to help Dems get more votes
Someone has to warn Repubs before they fall for the trick of thinking it could help them too
http://americasvoiceonline.org/research/getting-to-a-majority-more-house-republicans-come-out-for-citizenship/
Five reasons the country will benefit?
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Illegal immigration is not a problem in the US.
Besides, anyone can see that this is how the poor and disenfranchised succeed in life.
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I guess that's why no Repubs at all have any interest in immigration reform....right
I mean, why would they be interested when it's solely a vehicle to help Dems get votes
theyre interested because if they block it and the dems get it passed, itll for sure be the end of them. If they manage to look like they want to help the issue, theyre likely to get at least some of the new voting block
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Illegal immigration is not a problem in the US.
Besides, anyone can see that this is how the poor and disenfranchised succeed in life.
Yes it is a problem. It drives down wages and creates job competition with native citizens for low skill jobs.
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Sorry pal but you're falling for xenophobia.
Illegal immigration is not a big problem.
In light of the effects of our casino economy, wealth disparity, income inequality, frozen wages, death of the 40 hour workweek, a poisoned gulf, and the like, I'd say illegal immigration falls somewhere before teen pregnancy and after elderly colitis.
Besides, when brown people become the majority in this country (it's right around the corner), think of how the borders will just be opened. Who's going to stop the majority? Hell, we might even be annexed by Mexico.
Seriously though, amnesty is always the first step in battling illegal immigrants. Reagan did it.
Then we change our border security and / or laws and the process continues.
Yawn.
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Sorry pal but you're falling for xenophobia.
Illegal immigration is not a big problem.
In light of the effects of our casino economy, wealth disparity, income inequality, frozen wages, death of the 40 hour workweek, a poisoned gulf, and the like, I'd say illegal immigration falls somewhere before teen pregnancy and after elderly colitis.
Besides, when brown people become the majority in this country (it's right around the corner), think of how the borders will just be opened. Who's going to stop the majority? Hell, we might even be annexed by Mexico.
Seriously though, amnesty is always the first step in battling illegal immigrants. Reagan did it.
Then we change our border security and / or laws and the process continues.
Yawn.
Reagan did it with the promise of improved border control to put an end to the influx of illegals. He also promised the United States wouldn't be doing something like that again. He failed.
You're exceptionally short sighted. Five ways amnesty will help the country?
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Wtf why are my posts getting deleted???
And andre there is so much wrong with your posts I don't even know where to start lol
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Wtf why are my posts getting deleted???
And andre there is so much wrong with your posts I don't even know where to start lol
I noticed it was gone.
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Reagan did it with the promise of improved border control to put an end to the influx of illegals. He also promised the United States wouldn't be doing something like that again. He failed.
You're exceptionally short sighted. Five ways amnesty will help the country?
When I'm shortsighted, my penis looks much longer. To a man like me, that's a difference maker. Again, immigration is not a big problem.
Immigrants work, pay their taxes, if illegal-they see none of the benefits they paid for. Not to sound racist but they are hard workers. They don't sit around and whine, they work. I like that. I'll give it a shot.
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When I'm shortsighted, my penis looks much longer. To a man like me, that's a difference maker. Again, immigration is not a big problem.
Immigrants work, pay their taxes, if illegal-they see none of the benefits they paid for. Not to sound racist but they are hard workers. They don't sit around and whine, they work. I like that. I'll give it a shot.
Do they on average pay more in taxes than they collect in services? What is the average yearly wage for an illegal immigrant? High enough to pay income tax if they could? How much in benefits does the average child of an illegal immigrant receive over a life time. What are their crime rates? How are they benefitting the US?
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There's exactly zero chance that America will adopt socialism, and certainly not by 2017.
Tangentially, it's really funny to see the word "socialism" being trotted around here by some, since it's clear from the manner in which they're using it that they have no idea what the word means or the political and economic system that it implies. Socialism describes a society in which the means of production and the goods produced are owned by the citizens collectively, and that the exchange of goods, and the distribution of the resulting profits is decided by those citizens.
How would we get to such a socio-economic and socio-political structure starting from where we are today?
The Constitution features robust protection property rights (modulo the aberrant interpretation of eminent domain) and provides no framework through which the means of production would transition from private ownership to some kind of "collectivized" ownership, and without such collectivized ownership you cannot have socialism.
Under what possible legal theory could the Government control how private profits are to distributed?
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There's exactly zero chance that America will adopt socialism, and certainly not by 2017.
Tangentially, it's really funny to see the word "socialism" being trotted around here by some, since it's clear from the manner in which they're using it that they have no idea what the word means or the political and economic system that it implies. Socialism describes a society in which the means of production and the goods produced are owned by the citizens collectively, and that the exchange of goods, and the distribution of the resulting profits is decided by those citizens.
How would we get to such a socio-economic and socio-political structure starting from where we are today?
The Constitution features robust protection property rights (modulo the aberrant interpretation of eminent domain) and provides no framework through which the means of production would transition from private ownership to some kind of "collectivized" ownership, and without such collectivized ownership you cannot have socialism.
Under what possible legal theory could the Government control how private profits are to distributed?
it sounds like you're talking about communism and not socialism though I completely agree with you that it's a fucking absurd notion to suggest somehow Dems can (or would even want to) turn the country into a socialist state by 2017 (or any time)
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it sounds like you're talking about communism and not socialism though I completely agree with you that it's a fucking absurd notion to suggest somehow Dems can (or would even want to) turn the country into a socialist state by 2017 (or any time)
No, I meant socialism. Communism is socialism, just with extra sauce... it's socialism on steroids, adding an all-encompassing socio-political ideology. My favorite analogy is to say that if socialism is a slice of cheesecake then communism is large slice of strawberry cheesecake smothered with fresh strawberries and strawberry syrup on top. Mmmm... cheesecake!
There are a few differences (especially in practice) but, in the context of your post, I think that the salient point is that in socialism the workers own the means of production whereas in Communism the State owns the means of production. Granted, it's a rather subtle distinction.
As for the Democrats intentions, I have the suspicion that some wouldn't mind moving us much closer to socialism. Some have just about said as much, and others telegraph it by telling us how much they admire other "progressive" countries and how we need to stop being "old-fashioned" and get with the times. But I doubt that they have intra-party support, to say nothing of inter-party support. And that's a good thing.
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It'll be 2039....