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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: Jr. Yates on October 30, 2006, 11:02:07 AM
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I was wondering, I take ECA for fat burning purposes, and i follow the basic outline one serving in the morning and again later on blah blah we all know how to do it, its been discussed 100 times. but what do you guys think about having coffee still while on the cycle? without the coffee im getting 400 mg of caffine a day 5 times a day out of the week. so far I havn't been drinking coffee, not even on the days that I don't use the ECA. I was just curious as to what you think about it?
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In most of the early studies about ECA, what made it so effective was the "precise" ratio of caffeine to ephedrine. So when you add caffeine to the mix, you throw off the ratio, and it becomes less effective.
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Fo shizzle! I would eliminate all other sources of caffiene in the diet(diet soda, coffee, etc...) It also keeps your bodys tolerence and receptors cleaner.
If you can't help it...no more than 2 cups of coffee a day...take one day a week off of all ECA stack like Sunday but no matter what...keep extracurricular caffeine sources to a very very minimum.
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In most of the early studies about ECA, what made it so effective was the "precise" ratio of caffeine to ephedrine. So when you add caffeine to the mix, you throw off the ratio, and it becomes less effective.
What's the best ratio?
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Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure it's 200mg Caffiene to 20mg Ephedrine.
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Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure it's 200mg Caffiene to 20mg Ephedrine.
Cool. I've also heard a children's aspirin (81 mg.) is best in the mix. True or not?
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The original 'perfect' ratio is 25mg of ephedrine, 200 caffeine and 325mg of aspirin.
Some studies show that aspirin isnt needed and soem cannot tolerate the whole 325mg tab of aspirin so some break it in half which brings you to 162mg.
The norm and what I do is use baby aspirin. 81mg chealted aspirin.
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Cool. I've also heard a children's aspirin (81 mg.) is best in the mix. True or not?
yes thats what i use. ok thanks guys none for me then, im fine without it.
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I've never had a problem, I drink a ton of diet soda and take E/C (no aspirin) 3x per day (25/200).
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I've never had a problem, I drink a ton of diet soda and take E/C (no aspirin) 3x per day (25/200).
i recommened the aspirin to you my friend, it makes it easier on your heart so its not pumping thick, syrup blood at a harder faster rate. The aspirin thins the blood to make it easier on the heart.
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i recommened the aspirin to you my friend, it makes it easier on your heart so its not pumping thick, syrup blood at a harder faster rate. The aspirin thins the blood to make it easier on the heart.
please stop spewing crap.
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please stop spewing crap.
ok i'll let my doctor know pal. My doctor is the one that told me to take at least a little aspirin with it. it was just a recomendation.
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ok i'll let my doctor know pal. My doctor is the one that told me to take at least a little aspirin with it. it was just a recomendation.
Let your doctor know, I could care less. I am of the mindset to think for myself.
Do you know what an adrenergic receptor is? Do you know what epinephrine is?
Ephedrine will not cause any sort of thickening of the blood, or turn it into syrup. I have no clue where you came up with that garbage from. You likely read it somewhere and just accepted it as the truth. Maybe you are thinking of EPO.
The reason your doctor would tell you to take a little aspirin, would be to lower the stress on your heart simply becuase it's beating faster due to adrenergic stimulation. It's really not an issue. Do you take aspirin every time you play sports or do cardio? no.
Not trying to be an ass, but there's nothing worse than spewing garbage that some newbie could come along and read and take as truth. Maybe that's one of the reasons ephedrine has such a bad knock.
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Cool. I've also heard a children's aspirin (81 mg.) is best in the mix. True or not?
sure... if you want to burn a hole through your stomach
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I guess this would depend on how much sugar you are adding to your coffee. : )
I know I like mine with lots of sugar. Also are you drinking a hand crafted Espresso, or just some folgers in a machine.
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Let your doctor know, I could care less. I am of the mindset to think for myself.
Do you know what an adrenergic receptor is? Do you know what epinephrine is?
Ephedrine will not cause any sort of thickening of the blood, or turn it into syrup. I have no clue where you came up with that garbage from. You likely read it somewhere and just accepted it as the truth. Maybe you are thinking of EPO.
The reason your doctor would tell you to take a little aspirin, would be to lower the stress on your heart simply becuase it's beating faster due to adrenergic stimulation. It's really not an issue. Do you take aspirin every time you play sports or do cardio? no.
Not trying to be an ass, but there's nothing worse than spewing garbage that some newbie could come along and read and take as truth. Maybe that's one of the reasons ephedrine has such a bad knock.
no you are right...your not on aspirin when playing sports....but your heart isn't working overtime either because your not on ephadrine. When you ARE on ephedrine, along with caffine, your heart is working overtime, thats the effect of the drug. The aspirin helps thin your blood to make it easier on your heart and to help the effect of the ephedrine. taking the aspirin isn't a life or death choice but to me it makes sense and personally i've seen and felt better results with it, thats why the A is part of the name.
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no you are right...your not on aspirin when playing sports....but your heart isn't working overtime either because your not on ephadrine. When you ARE on ephedrine, along with caffine, your heart is working overtime, thats the effect of the drug. The aspirin helps thin your blood to make it easier on your heart and to help the effect of the ephedrine. taking the aspirin isn't a life or death choice but to me it makes sense and personally i've seen and felt better results with it, thats why the A is part of the name.
So you're trying to say that your heart is working harder when you're sitting in a chair after taking ephedrine, than when you're running on the treadmill? If you were to take ANY drug/supplement and it made your heart POUND like you had been exercising vigorously even though you haven't, then I'd HIGHLY recommend you never take it again!
Exercise increases your heart rate by A LOT! Ephedrine, increases it very little. That's what pobrecito was trying to point out.
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So you're trying to say that your heart is working harder when you're sitting in a chair after taking ephedrine, than when you're running on the treadmill? If you were to take ANY drug/supplement and it made your heart POUND like you had been exercising vigorously even though you haven't, then I'd HIGHLY recommend you never take it again!
Exercise increases your heart rate by A LOT! Ephedrine, increases it very little. That's what pobrecito was trying to point out.
yes and what IM trying to point out is that ephedrine increases your heart even MORE WHILE doing physical activity. taking ephys and just being relaxed your heart will be beating faster than normal, then go run and your heart will be beating faster but with the ehys its going to be working even harder than running without ephys. Thats what im trying to say, is ephedrine is a drug that makes your heart work even harder than it normally does regardless of whatever your doing. so i think taking the aspirin is kind of important to make things easier on your heart by thinning your blood. I don't think by saying that im spreading nonsense at all. it makes sense to me so if you can tell me another reason as to why aspirin is part of the stack please do. I have read also that aspirin helps stop the body from producing esudophredrine?? not sure if i spelt that right, but i read that your body tries to fight against the ephys so taking the aspirin helps.
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ephedrine is speed and speed has no place in a bodybuilders diet it catabolizes muscle and will make you skinny.
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ephedrine is speed and speed has no place in a bodybuilders diet it catabolizes muscle and will make you skinny.
The is completelyincorrect.
Ephedrine is not speed. It's a beta-2 adrenergic receptor agonist. And it has been shown to actually help retain lean mass in a caloric deficit.
The amount of ignorance on this matter is disturbing.
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The is completelyincorrect.
The amount of ignorance on this matter is disturbing.
Whats disturbing is how quick you are to judge. Maybe some people are a little misinformed or haven't done as much research as you, whats the big deal? Lay off a little. Your knowledge is appreciated but try to come across a little less aggressive or does us all a favor and shut the f*ck up.
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Whats disturbing is how quick you are to judge. Maybe some people are a little misinformed or haven't done as much research as you, whats the big deal? Lay off a little. Your knowledge is appreciated but try to come across a little less aggressive or does us all a favor and shut the f*ck up.
:-X ha! a little rough! but true, some guys have their own rules they swear by. One of the biggest/oldest guys at my gym tells me to quit that shit. i don't agree with him but he hates it.
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The is completelyincorrect.
Ephedrine is not speed. It's a beta-2 adrenergic receptor agonist. And it has been shown to actually help retain lean mass in a caloric deficit.
The amount of ignorance on this matter is disturbing.
bullshit.
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yes, agree on the perfect ratio. Drink coffee, you screw it up
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Back to the asprin issue - I don't care too much about it, because I don't take it, but I do recall reading something in Men's Health along the lines of this not too long ago...
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Asprin therapy does thin your blood, decreasing your risk of a heart attack. However, a study showed that stopping asprin therapy can have a rebound affect - making your blood even thicker than it was before you started taking the asprin. In turn, increasing your risk.
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Now my take on this is, I don't think any of you guys are old enough to be thinking about an asprin regimine. That's for really old farts at risk of a heart attack. But if the above statement is true, you could be putting yourself at even greater risk for a heart attack later in life, by taking asprin on a regular basis at a young age.
Feel free to do some research on this... I would, but I don't really care that much cuz I don't take it.
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I've taken ECA over and over and over again the past few years. My conclusion is that I only use it to help me get through my cardio cuz it gives me an energy boost, but it eats up muscles like crazy. When you get down to single digit body fat, the effect of ECA on ur muscle loss is magnified. I'm sticking to my conclusion regardless of what anybody says.
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I've taken ECA over and over and over again the past few years. My conclusion is that I only use it to help me get through my cardio cuz it gives me an energy boost, but it eats up muscles like crazy. When you get down to single digit body fat, the effect of ECA on ur muscle loss is magnified. I'm sticking to my conclusion regardless of what anybody says.
you are exactly right, whenever someone who lifts tells me they use ephedrine i say that stuff interferes with the two most important things involved with muscle growth, food and sleep, why would you do that?
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I've taken ECA over and over and over again the past few years. My conclusion is that I only use it to help me get through my cardio cuz it gives me an energy boost, but it eats up muscles like crazy. When you get down to single digit body fat, the effect of ECA on ur muscle loss is magnified. I'm sticking to my conclusion regardless of what anybody says.
The reason you lost muscle is becuase you didn't eat enough and didn't consume enough protein and your body went into starvation mode. It had nothing to do with ephedrine. Ephedrine has been clinically shown to help retain muscle while in a caloric deficit.