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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Marty Champions on August 29, 2013, 02:42:02 PM
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15 an hour is way too much for them to get paid dont u think? 10 an hour is fair
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15 an hour is way too much for them to get paid dont u think? 10 an hour is fair
There are thousands of Mexicans and blacks lining up to take their jobs. I don't see how they even went on strike without having a union.
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I bet they also get to eat the left overs real cheap or for free.
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these people dont even have half a mind out here in raliegh at best go for 10 bucks an hour. i wouldnt even pay more than 8 or 9 to do some painting on a house
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15 an hour is way too much for them to get paid dont u think? 10 an hour is fair
It is ridiculous. The cost of everything will just end up rising and the consumer will just have to bear the burden because Shaniqua needs extra money for Trayvon`s Iphone bill.
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Good for them. I hope they get it. If you take the $2.00 minimum wage Martin Luther King Jr. wanted back in his day and adjust it for inflation, it equals to 15.25 today. The should be a mandatory minimum wage of at least $15.00 per hour. Republicans will argue it will cause them not to hire or spend money on their businesses. Too fucking bad. There's been nothing to show raising the minimum wage has a negative effect on business overall. Look back in history. It never has. The poor and the people that aren't that blessed (or cursed) with intellect have the right to earn a living to take care of their family. The companies make billions of dollars and it can be said since it's not automated yet, no fast foodworkers, no fast food.
I've never worked fast food and never would. But these people take a beating on a daily basis from assholes around the country for shit money. At least $15.00 would kinda make it worth and would put them in a better financial situation. Then you can kick people off welfare and that's alot of money saved there also.
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Wiggs has been seen filling out applications.
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Good for them. I hope they get it. If you take the $2.00 minimum wage Martin Luther King Jr. wanted back in his day and adjust it for inflation, it equals to 15.25 today. The should be a mandatory minimum wage of at least $15.00 per hour. Republicans will argue it will cause them not to hire or spend money on their businesses. Too fucking bad. There's been nothing to show raising the minimum wage has a negative effect on business overall. Look back in history. It never has. The poor and the people that aren't that blessed (or cursed) with intellect have the right to earn a living to take care of their family. The companies make billions of dollars and it can be said since it's not automated yet, no fast foodworkers, no fast food.
I've never worked fast food and never would. But these people take a beating on a daily basis from assholes around the country for shit money. At least $15.00 would kinda make it worth and would put them in a better financial situation. Then you can kick people off welfare and that's alot of money saved there also.
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Have fun paying 7 dollars for a Big Mac fat ass. The higher the low skilled wages get, the more expensive everything else would be. Of course, you are incapable of any abstract thought predicative of any future outcome so I might as well explain this to a sewer pipe.
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Wiggs has been seen filling out applications.
I would never work in fast food. I'd rather be a janitor before that ever happens.
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On the way home from work on Fridays I often go through the McDonalds drive thru and pick up 5 or 6 McDoubles to eat over the weekend while I'm watching football, etc.
If that routine gets interrupted over something like this I'm going to be very pissed.
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Have fun paying 7 dollars for a Big Mac fat ass. The higher the low skilled wages get, the more expensive everything else would be. Of course, you are incapable of any abstract thought predicative of any future outcome so I might as well explain this to a sewer pipe.
As if fast food chains don't make enough that they can't afford to pay up a little bit. Most people go to work for 8 hours a day and do about 3 hours of actual work, if that. These kids ( and not all of them are un-educated) work their asses off their entire shift and get treated like shit.
I don't eat fast food. So I could give a shit less if they raise the price of a whopper. Not everyone gets ripped on cheeseburgers and chocolate bars.
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Imagine if Getbig opened a chain of seafood restaurants called Mudshark.
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15 an hour is way too much for them to get paid dont u think? 10 an hour is fair
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Imagine if Getbig opened a chain of seafood restaurants called Mudshark.
There's a bar in Lake Havasu named mudsharks
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these people dont even have half a mind out here in raliegh at best go for 10 bucks an hour. i wouldnt even pay more than 8 or 9 to do some painting on a house
Thinking about stopping at McDonald's on my way home tonight.
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Have fun paying 7 dollars for a Big Mac fat ass. The higher the low skilled wages get, the more expensive everything else would be. Of course, you are incapable of any abstract thought predicative of any future outcome so I might as well explain this to a sewer pipe.
LOL...I eat fast food perhaps 5 times per month max. They charge 20 dollars and I wouldn't care. Good, the food is shit anyway. My ultimate point would be for everything to increase in price. Including the wages of workers with more skills.
That is absolutely what I want. Less money in the elites pockets and more in the masses.
I fullwell understand Adam. What qualifications do you have to explain anything to anyone Adam? Have you even been to college? Have a any degrees in anything? If not, shut the fuck up and go back to making jewelry with your girlfriend or whatever it is you say you do.
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There's a bar in Lake Havasu named mudsharks
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Good for them. I hope they get it. If you take the $2.00 minimum wage Martin Luther King Jr. wanted back in his day and adjust it for inflation, it equals to 15.25 today. The should be a mandatory minimum wage of at least $15.00 per hour. Republicans will argue it will cause them not to hire or spend money on their businesses. Too fucking bad. There's been nothing to show raising the minimum wage has a negative effect on business overall. Look back in history. It never has. The poor and the people that aren't that blessed (or cursed) with intellect have the right to earn a living to take care of their family. The companies make billions of dollars and it can be said since it's not automated yet, no fast foodworkers, no fast food.
I've never worked fast food and never would. But these people take a beating on a daily basis from assholes around the country for shit money. At least $15.00 would kinda make it worth and would put them in a better financial situation. Then you can kick people off welfare and that's alot of money saved there also.
if thats the case why even go to college or any schooling at all just work fast food for 15 bucks an hour , thats a hell of a dream deal
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There's some people out there with degrees earning that much in their fields lol
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There's some people out there with degrees earning that much in their fields lol
Yes, but there's people with no degrees making millions from sports.
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if thats the case why even go to college or any schooling at all just work fast food for 15 bucks an hour , thats a hell of a dream deal
This is a minimun wage job. You wanna raise that wage go ahead but big brother will increase prices accordingly so in the end everything stays the same.
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hahah fat ass wiggs hebrew neegul of peace
usually a fast food joint has 5 workers in it . thats 15 bucks an hour for 5
doing the math thats like 15 , 5 dollar meals per hour just to pay your workers off and i dont see that happening to the point of a buisness making money
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Yes, but there's people with no degrees making millions from sports.
Yeah but those guys have talent. I could train a chimpanzee to work at Mcdonald's.
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I would never work in fast food. I'd rather be a janitor before that ever happens.
I don't think you have the qualifications to be a janitor, one of which would be a WILLINGNESS TO WORK. Before you disrespect people that get up in the morning and go to work, you should take a look in the mirror. You're pathetic.
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Yes, but there's people with no degrees making millions from sports.
Supply and demand fool. There is no shortage of people who can put potatoes in a fryer.
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I don't think you have the qualifications to be a janitor, one of which would be a WILLINGNESS TO WORK. Before you disrespect people that get up in the morning and go to work, you should take a look in the mirror. You're pathetic.
LOL...That's not willingness dipshit. That's "if you don't, bills don't get paid". Big difference. News Flash you fucking twat, most people don't like their jobs and wouldn't work it if they didn't have to. But they want bullshit trinckets or have obligations so they do.
I'm way overqualified to be a janitor, I'd have to leave off all my degrees and experience.
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Yeah but those guys have talent. I could train a chimpanzee to work at Mcdonald's.
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Those aren`t chimpanzees on Television chasing each other and various different balls? ???
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As if fast food chains don't make enough that they can't afford to pay up a little bit. Most people go to work for 8 hours a day and do about 3 hours of actual work, if that. These kids ( and not all of them are un-educated) work their asses off their entire shift and get treated like shit.
I don't eat fast food. So I could give a shit less if they raise the price of a whopper. Not everyone gets ripped on cheeseburgers and chocolate bars.
If you don`t consume the product or own stocks in the company, then you oughta keep your mouth shut.
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As if fast food chains don't make enough that they can't afford to pay up a little bit. Most people go to work for 8 hours a day and do about 3 hours of actual work, if that. These kids ( and not all of them are un-educated) work their asses off their entire shift and get treated like shit.
I don't eat fast food. So I could give a shit less if they raise the price of a whopper. Not everyone gets ripped on cheeseburgers and chocolate bars.
Great post.
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Those aren`t chimpanzees on Television chasing each other and various different balls? ???
Bravo Adonis. Bravo.
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Those aren`t chimpanzees on Television chasing each other and various different balls? ???
I knew I should've used another animal as a reference ;D
How can anyone hate actual chimpanzees?
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As if fast food chains don't make enough that they can't afford to pay up a little bit. Most people go to work for 8 hours a day and do about 3 hours of actual work, if that. These kids ( and not all of them are un-educated) work their asses off their entire shift and get treated like shit.
I don't eat fast food. So I could give a shit less if they raise the price of a whopper. Not everyone gets ripped on cheeseburgers and chocolate bars.
They don`t have to pay up if they don`t want to. People like you with loud mouths, who neither own stock nor frequent these places as a customer have no right demanding the government to force action in terms of enforcing some sort of wage control on workers. There are plenty people willing to work the job for less and that is perfectly fine. What is stopping these "striking workers" from finding work elsewhere?
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LOL...That's not willingness dipshit. That's "if you don't, bills don't get paid". Big difference. News Flash you fucking twat, most people don't like their jobs and wouldn't work it if they didn't have to. But they want bullshit trinckets or have obligations so they do.
I'm way overqualified to be a janitor, I'd have to leave off all my degrees and experience.
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Take another hit off your bong.
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Billy Ruffchild Falconeu was the first to open a hamburger stand back in the olden days and only paid his workers a teaspoon of flour per hour
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I would never work in fast food. I'd rather be a janitor before that ever happens.
There is allways potato pilling job for you in Kibbutz ;D
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Billy Ruffchild Falconeu was the first to open a hamburger stand back in the olden days and only paid his workers a teaspoon of flour per hour
Hahaha..legit LOL at the creativity of this post.
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Hahaha..legit LOL at the creativity of this post.
Meth will do that.
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All the "protestors" have accomplished is proving that they deserve the lowly jobs they occupy.
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They don`t have to pay up if they don`t want to. People like you with loud mouths, who neither own stock nor frequent these places as a customer have no right demanding the government to force action in terms of enforcing some sort of wage control on workers. There are plenty people willing to work the job for less and that is perfectly fine. What is stopping these "striking workers" from finding work elsewhere?
Don't be a drama queen. Im not demanding government action. I'm voicing my opinion on Getbig. I don't have to frequent the location or own stocks to voice my opinion either. I do happen to know a few people who worked in fast food and they got treated like shit and were underpaid for the job they did.
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Don't be a drama queen. Im not demanding government action. I'm voicing my opinion on Getbig. I don't have to frequent the location or own stocks to voice my opinion either. I do happen to know a few people who worked in fast food and they got treated like shit and were underpaid for the job they did.
Why didn`t they just quit and find a different job?
Underpaid? How are you judging this?
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They don`t have to pay up if they don`t want to. People like you with loud mouths, who neither own stock nor frequent these places as a customer have no right demanding the government to force action in terms of enforcing some sort of wage control on workers. There are plenty people willing to work the job for less and that is perfectly fine. What is stopping these "striking workers" from finding work elsewhere?
Where did anyone demand the government force anything?
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Don't be a drama queen. Im not demanding government action. I'm voicing my opinion on Getbig. I don't have to frequent the location or own stocks to voice my opinion either. I do happen to know a few people who worked in fast food and they got treated like shit and were underpaid for the job they did.
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Why didn`t they just quit and find a different job?
Underpaid? How are you judging this?
They did quit. They were educated people who took the job out of necessity at that time. I'm judging this based on my own perspective, my own experiences in the work place and how hard I've seen other people (not) work.
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Where did anyone demand the government force anything?
So what do you want to happen then?
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Good for them. I hope they get it. If you take the $2.00 minimum wage Martin Luther King Jr. wanted back in his day and adjust it for inflation, it equals to 15.25 today. The should be a mandatory minimum wage of at least $15.00 per hour. Republicans will argue it will cause them not to hire or spend money on their businesses. Too fucking bad. There's been nothing to show raising the minimum wage has a negative effect on business overall. Look back in history. It never has. The poor and the people that aren't that blessed (or cursed) with intellect have the right to earn a living to take care of their family. The companies make billions of dollars and it can be said since it's not automated yet, no fast foodworkers, no fast food.
I've never worked fast food and never would. But these people take a beating on a daily basis from assholes around the country for shit money. At least $15.00 would kinda make it worth and would put them in a better financial situation. Then you can kick people off welfare and that's alot of money saved there also.
Wiggs bro: how is MLK qualified to give advice on economic theory? Was this his main focus in school and what the bulk of his life's work was centered around? If the answer is no, I could give 2 shits about what MLK thinks about economic policy.
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They did quit. They were educated people who took the job out of necessity at that time. I'm judging this based on my own perspective, my own experiences in the work place and how hard I've seen other people (not) work.
They quit. So what is the problem? Obviously there are enough people willing to work for the current wages. Why try and bully them into passing the price to the consumer? Why do you even care?
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They quit. So what is the problem? Obviously there are enough people willing to work for the current wages. Why try and bully them into passing the price to the consumer? Why do you even care?
because liberals are all about transferring wealth to the least deserving and creating a dependent class whose votes they can count on
ironic that many of the same libtards who feel fast food workers should be paid such high wages are the same ones who think fast food should be banned in the interest of "public health" ::)
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Wiggs bro: how is MLK qualified to give advice on economic theory? Was this his main focus in school and what the bulk of his life's work was centered around? If the answer is no, I could give 2 shits about what MLK thinks about economic policy.
Look at everyone else you get your economic theory from. Then come back and tell me how much the U.S. is in debt, the average household is in debt and how well we're doing and have been doing fiscally...........that's right, we're not.
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I would never work in fast food. I'd rather be a janitor before that ever happens.
A janitor can make 50k+/yr around these parts and the cost of living is pretty low, comparatively speaking.
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Look at everyone else you get your economic theory from. Then come back and tell me how much the U.S. is in debt, the average household is in debt and how well we're doing and have been doing fiscally...........that's right, we're not.
Fair point if you look at it like that lol.
I just liken it to when the media interviews Hollywood actors and asks them their thoughts on foreign relations, and people watch with bated breath, and I'm thinking, these are the last people in the world whose input matters regarding anything worthwhile.
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A janitor can make 50k+/yr around these parts and the cost of living is pretty low, comparatively speaking.
Where?
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It is ridiculous. The cost of everything will just end up rising and the consumer will just have to bear the burden because Shaniqua needs extra money for Trayvon`s Iphone bill.
LMAO....this ^^^
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Fair point if you look at it like that lol.
I just liken it to when the media interviews Hollywood actors and asks them their thoughts on foreign relations, and people watch with bated breath, and I'm thinking, these are the last people in the world whose input matters regarding anything worthwhile.
Reminds me of when Meryl Street testified before Congress in 1986 about "alar" in apples...turned out to be a complete hoax...her biggest line was wailing, "What are we doing to our children???" ::)
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Where?
Manitoba, school janitor.
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because liberals are all about transferring wealth to the least deserving and creating a dependent class whose votes they can count on
ironic that many of the same libtards who feel fast food workers should be paid such high wages are the same ones who think fast food should be banned in the interest of "public health" ::)
LOL. Yeah O.K., I'm a liberal. ::) I don't feel that wealth should be distributed. I feel that wealth should be earned.
The people I knew were underpaid for the job they did and were treated like shit not only by customers but mostly by management. My only interest in this stems from people I know personally, not my polictal views or political agenda.
Honestly, I don't care anymore. Just understand not everyone who works at a fastfood place is Shaniqua or Trayvon. Please, everyone knows the Shaniqua's and Trayvon's of the world don't work.
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Reminds me of when Meryl Street testified before Congress in 1986 about "alar" in apples...turned out to be a complete hoax...her biggest line was wailing, "What are we doing to our children???" ::)
Not familiar with this, was before my time, but sounds like the typical bullshit
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Fair point if you look at it like that lol.
I just liken it to when the media interviews Hollywood actors and asks them their thoughts on foreign relations, and people watch with bated breath, and I'm thinking, these are the last people in the world whose input matters regarding anything worthwhile.
I see what you're saying, we should be able to count on these learned men when speaking of economic and fiscal policy. Problem is, we can't and we never could because there was always dirty shit going on. The reason 15.00 an hour sounds so absurd to people is because they've grown up in an environment where they've been told it's detrimental but they couldn't even tell you why it's detrimental and to who it's supposedly detrimental to.
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Man, a lot of really fucked up ideas in this thread.
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Slavery, my friends. The ugliest parts of humanity can't move away from the idea that it's somehow a "necessity".
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Why in the fuck isn't there a standing financial offer to influence so-benefited people to decline or delay reproduction? It is the ONLY thing that can increase the value of a human being, and it would be all-correcting within just a few generations.
Every time I hear some piece of shit complain about those on welfare or food stamps or low-wage jobs, etc., I wonder if the motherfcker complaining has a brain, or whether he's capable of serious thought.
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All lifeforms organize themselves in pyramidal societies where a minority of the rare smartest and/or strongest are a the top while the dumbest are below them and outnumber them by a tenfold. In all societies the richest, most powerful and "intelligent" pay dumb people who love to use weapons to keep control of the even dumber masses.
You want to end this? then end life, because that's just the way life is.
Now these fast food fuckers work a shit job and probably deserve more than they earn compared to people who pretend to work more than they actually do; it's not like the corporations dont have the money. Problem is the minute they quit millions of third worlders will gladly take their places. This is multiculturalism and "globalization". Looks like a salary raise aint gonna happen anytime soon.
All of this will somehow "end" very soon anyway when global economy crashes. Most of the first world population has been living beyond its means for so long a necessary and automatical balancing process will have to happen. Again , only the smartest fittest and strongest will survive.
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Mistaking wealth for intelligence is problem number one.
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I see what you're saying, we should be able to count on these learned men when speaking of economic and fiscal policy. Problem is, we can't and we never could because there was always dirty shit going on. The reason 15.00 an hour sounds so absurd to people is because they've grown up in an environment where they've been told it's detrimental but they couldn't even tell you why it's detrimental and to who it's supposedly detrimental to.
LOL "supposedly"
let me ask wiggs, do you know what an income statement is?
do you know what COGS is?
do you know how that effects gross margin?
do you know how gross margin effects net income?
do you know where labor goes in an income statement?
only an ignorant fool would say what you did....
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answer this wiggs, since you cite their billions in profits as reasoning for your wanting them to pay their workers more.
do you also feel that the companies should be able to pay them less or even none if they are in the red?
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because liberals are all about transferring wealth to the least deserving and creating a dependent class whose votes they can count on
ironic that many of the same libtards who feel fast food workers should be paid such high wages are the same ones who think fast food should be banned in the interest of "public health" ::)
Exactly. Its downright hilarious. I was just talking about this.
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LOL. Yeah O.K., I'm a liberal. ::) I don't feel that wealth should be distributed. I feel that wealth should be earned.
The people I knew were underpaid for the job they did and were treated like shit not only by customers but mostly by management. My only interest in this stems from people I know personally, not my polictal views or political agenda.
Honestly, I don't care anymore. Just understand not everyone who works at a fastfood place is Shaniqua or Trayvon. Please, everyone knows the Shaniqua's and Trayvon's of the world don't work.
How does paying them more stop management from treating them like shit? If anything, they will take even more shit because they are getting paid more.
I fail to see any logic whatsoever in your "reasoning".
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ive worked fast food before it is hard work
that being said 15 an hr for everyone is bulls shit most of the people i worked with were fucking low lifes to begin with and had poor work ethics, i was in management.
and to those who are poor and have families fuck them, dont fuck and have kids if youre to fucking dumb to make money its real simple
tell tyrone and ravon, to pull there big black dicks out and not have babies they cant afford.
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As if fast food chains don't make enough that they can't afford to pay up a little bit. Most people go to work for 8 hours a day and do about 3 hours of actual work, if that. These kids ( and not all of them are un-educated) work their asses off their entire shift and get treated like shit.
I don't eat fast food. So I could give a shit less if they raise the price of a whopper. Not everyone gets ripped on cheeseburgers and chocolate bars.
Maybe you don't but others do. They HAVE to raise the cost of each item to make up for the increase in pay. You also have to take into consideration that places like McDonalds is affordable eating to people who are oppressed. You raise the price and you shut those people out. They also wouldn't be paying up "just a little", it would be more than double of they get now.
Jobs at places like McDonalds are also not made for people who have to support a family, it's jobs mostly for high school drop outs or college kids. Just out of curiosity, what do you think the profit margin actually is on a hamburger taking out the cost to process the food, overhead and insurances?
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Good for them. I hope they get it. If you take the $2.00 minimum wage Martin Luther King Jr. wanted back in his day and adjust it for inflation, it equals to 15.25 today. The should be a mandatory minimum wage of at least $15.00 per hour. Republicans will argue it will cause them not to hire or spend money on their businesses. Too fucking bad. There's been nothing to show raising the minimum wage has a negative effect on business overall. Look back in history. It never has. The poor and the people that aren't that blessed (or cursed) with intellect have the right to earn a living to take care of their family. The companies make billions of dollars and it can be said since it's not automated yet, no fast foodworkers, no fast food.
I've never worked fast food and never would. But these people take a beating on a daily basis from assholes around the country for shit money. At least $15.00 would kinda make it worth and would put them in a better financial situation. Then you can kick people off welfare and that's alot of money saved there also.
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Yes, pay Jamal more money than an enlisted United States soldier makes.
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LOL. Yeah O.K., I'm a liberal. ::) I don't feel that wealth should be distributed. I feel that wealth should be earned.
The people I knew were underpaid for the job they did and were treated like shit not only by customers but mostly by management. My only interest in this stems from people I know personally, not my polictal views or political agenda.
Honestly, I don't care anymore. Just understand not everyone who works at a fastfood place is Shaniqua or Trayvon. Please, everyone knows the Shaniqua's and Trayvon's of the world don't work.
bro it sounds like your friends were using those jobs as stepping stones to something else, perhaps they worked there in high school/college. They quit and likely found much better jobs with much higher pay, just like these people have the ability to do.
The moment we start forcing people to work these jobs is the moment they can bitch about the pay. Millions of people have done what they needed to do to get good paying jobs whether that be going to school, learning a trade, starting a business, or simply leaving within their means.
Explain to me why these people cannot do the same?
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1. Paying Jamal 15 dollars an hour will just raise the bar for hiring requirements for a supposed "low skilled" job. Do you think they are just going to give a 15 dollar an hour job away to Jamal with a drug problem and criminal record off the street? At 15 dollars an hour they will require a degree and what not. Gone will be jobs for the poor morons complaining. They are shooting themselves in the foot and not even realizing it. :D
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2. Paying Jamal 15 dollars an hour will eliminate all part time positions and/or cause the firing of other employees to make the cost. Part time work will be gone and the staff will be reduced with an even greater workload causing even worse treatment. Jamal will now have to work 8-12 hour shifts like a slave and Kareem will be fired and they won`t even hire Demetrius because he doesn't have a college degree.
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If anything, Jerome isn`t getting a raise, Jerome is getting fired.
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jamal would use that extra money he got to get all the goodies on his iphone and the new air jordans and limited edition lebrons, he would not use this extra money
for his 4 kids that he had with different hood rats.
i worked with a ton of people like this they arent the britest people in the world
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Jamal Ruffchild Falcon in 1308 was the first to accept minimum wage as a black man day laborer, but then due to his royal bloodline became a prominite afro-american in the late 1400's
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Jamal Ruffchild Falcon in 1308 was the first to accept minimum wage as a black man day laborer, but then due to his royal bloodline became a prominite afro-american in the late 1400's
an incredibly long life span, especially by the day's standards
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Jamal Ruffchild Falcon in 1308 was the first to accept minimum wage as a black man day laborer, but then due to his royal bloodline became a prominite afro-american in the late 1400's
St. Germain, himself??
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I will tell you something true. My grandfather was the first person in NC to give equal wages to blacks in his Furniture factory in the 50s.
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I used to hear all about the Schwartzes and how hard they USED to work. hahha
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I used to hear all about the Schwartzes and how hard they USED to work. hahha
I used the term "Ductlas" I learned it from Judy Blume.
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Maybe you don't but others do. They HAVE to raise the cost of each item to make up for the increase in pay. You also have to take into consideration that places like McDonalds is affordable eating to people who are oppressed. You raise the price and you shut those people out. They also wouldn't be paying up "just a little", it would be more than double of they get now.
Jobs at places like McDonalds are also not made for people who have to support a family, it's jobs mostly for high school drop outs or college kids. Just out of curiosity, what do you think the profit margin actually is on a hamburger taking out the cost to process the food, overhead and insurances?
Good post, I see your point. You are correct in that fast food can feed a family for cheap.
My contention isn't that they be paid 15 bucks an hour. My contention is that they work their asses off for little pay and probably deserve more than they make. I understand its unskilled labor and their pay is comeasurate. But I don't think its fair to classify everyone who works in fastfood as pookie and rayray either. Pookie and rayray don't work. People who work for a living aren't the problem.
I have no idea what the profit margin is. I know that you can get a double cheeseburger for a buck and thats a bargain if you're talking calories per cent.
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You should be paid what the environment determines you should be paid based on the value you bring to the company that hires you. No one (or a company) should be forced by law to pay someone a specific wage...that's communism and central statust planning.
Businesses are not created to provide jobs. They are created to provide a service...jobs are by product of that.
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You should be paid what the environment determines you should be paid based on the value you bring to the company that hires you. No one (or a company) should be forced by law to pay someone a specific wage...that's communism and central statust planning.
Businesses are not created to provide jobs. They are created to provide a service...jobs are by product of that.
Seems to me, this creates an incentive to have an out-of-control population.
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Maybe you don't but others do. They HAVE to raise the cost of each item to make up for the increase in pay. You also have to take into consideration that places like McDonalds is affordable eating to people who are oppressed. You raise the price and you shut those people out. They also wouldn't be paying up "just a little", it would be more than double of they get now.
Jobs at places like McDonalds are also not made for people who have to support a family, it's jobs mostly for high school drop outs or college kids. Just out of curiosity, what do you think the profit margin actually is on a hamburger taking out the cost to process the food, overhead and insurances?
Please go into detail, Coach.
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I never understand why all the 99 percenters on here choose to align themselves w/ the 1 percent.
I hope they get the $15. McDonalds can well afford it.
::)
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I never understand why all the 99 percenters on here choose to align themselves w/ the 1 percent.
I hope they get the $15. McDonalds can well afford it.
I never understand why the 99% begrudge the 1% for their success instead of doing what the should to better their situation, their childrens situation, their childrens childrens situation and so on
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jamal would use that extra money he got to get all the goodies on his iphone and the new air jordans and limited edition lebrons, he would not use this extra money
for his 4 kids that he had with different hood rats.
i worked with a ton of people like this they arent the britest people in the world
..and either are you
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I never understand why all the 99 percenters on here choose to align themselves w/ the 1 percent.
I hope they get the $15. McDonalds can well afford it.
Because they choose not to think it through.
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Good for them. I hope they get it. If you take the $2.00 minimum wage Martin Luther King Jr. wanted back in his day and adjust it for inflation, it equals to 15.25 today. The should be a mandatory minimum wage of at least $15.00 per hour. Republicans will argue it will cause them not to hire or spend money on their businesses. Too fucking bad. There's been nothing to show raising the minimum wage has a negative effect on business overall. Look back in history. It never has. The poor and the people that aren't that blessed (or cursed) with intellect have the right to earn a living to take care of their family. The companies make billions of dollars and it can be said since it's not automated yet, no fast foodworkers, no fast food.
I've never worked fast food and never would. But these people take a beating on a daily basis from assholes around the country for shit money. At least $15.00 would kinda make it worth and would put them in a better financial situation. Then you can kick people off welfare and that's alot of money saved there also.
So because they're stupid, they deserve that much money? I came out of college not even making that, and what I did was a hell of a lot harder. Granted I was working 55-60 hours a week and was grossing over a grand, but still, they should be paid as the morons they are. If they're worth it, promote them to management.
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They don't, that's their problem. They think the system is on the level but it's not.
how is it not?
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My initial impressions.
Fast food workers are mostly all rude, incompetent people that don't care about their jobs or the customers. They are always fucking up people's orders and half they time you can't understand a fucking word they say because they talk too fast and barely speak English. The job that they do is not worth 15 dollars per hour. It's a non-skilled, entry level job and not a career.
However,
I agree that the greed of the Corporations and franchisees is such that they would hire Mexicans and pay them .50 per hour if they could get away with it. They only care about maximizing profits and so what if their employees live in poverty.
The reaction to this from most people is that they want the government to force business owners to increase wages. The problem is that businesses will not eat that extra money and take a hit to their profit margin. If they are forced to pay more for labor they will just hike up the prices to make up the difference. This leads to inflation and who gets hit hardest by inflation? Low skill workers. They might make a little more in their paycheck but it doesn't matter because everything that they buy is going to cost more across the board.
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My initial impressions.
Fast food workers are mostly all rude, incompetent people that don't care about their jobs or the customers. They are always fucking up people's orders and half they time you can't understand a fucking word they say because they talk too fast and barely speak English. The job that they do is not worth 15 dollars per hour. It's a non-skilled, entry level job and not a career.
However,
I agree that the greed of the Corporations and franchisees is such that they would hire Mexicans and pay them .50 per hour if they could get away with it. They only care about maximizing profits and so what if their employees live in poverty.
The reaction to this from most people is that they want the government to force business owners to increase wages. The problem is that businesses will not eat that extra money and take a hit to their profit margin. If they are forced to pay more for labor they will just hike up the prices to make up the difference. This leads to inflation and who gets hit hardest by inflation? Low skill workers. They might make a little more in their paycheck but it doesn't matter because everything that they buy is going to cost more across the board.
Who are you?
One of the most logical, honest and thoughtful posts I have ever read on this site- you must be lost. ;)
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Thing that's always gotten me, is how our borders are like swiss cheese. With "security measures" that are beating the living shit out of us, the citizens, we have borders that are OPEN FUCKING DOORS.
Some of you guys are so fucking dumb, I can't imagine where you get your ideas from. Fucking amazingly stupid, I'm so sorry to say.
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great post!!! these greedy corporations are swimming in water yet dont pay the people who make that possible a wage that is nothing short of slavery. these people need to band together and all strike and agree not to fill in the job gaps until their demands are met. that will show the corps how the money they swim in is generated.
also for all you idiots saying prices of food would increase you are just plain dumb fast food pockets the money they dont pay there employees what do you think mcds profit after all expense paid was last year? paying there employees 15 an hour would hardly put a dent in greedy corp net profits now digest and stfu conservatives.
govt needs regulations from corps hiking up prices if they pay there workers more corps are the devils offspring!
Take a seat son
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I never understand why all the 99 percenters on here choose to align themselves w/ the 1 percent.
I hope they get the $15. McDonalds can well afford it.
Agree 100%
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I'd agree with a raise if the fucks could get half an order right.
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Working a McD type job is not intended to nor was it ever intended to support a family. It's an ENTRY LEVEL position ::)
The majority of workers who earn a minimum wage in the US work outside of the restaurant industry. In reality, only 5% of the 10 million restaurant employees earn the minimum wage. Those who do are predominantly teenagers working part-time. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 71% of minimum-wage employees in the restaurant industry are under the age of 25 and 47% are teenagers.
Politicians, labor unions and the media portray service jobs as inferior or less valuable to society than other kinds of employment. Instead of degrading this type of hard work, critics might consider the pride that many restaurant workers take in their jobs and the skills they learn.
Many Americans rely on the additional income and flexibility of these jobs. Most restaurant workers are students with irregular schedules, teenagers saving for school or people who need a job with flexible hours that fit their busy lives. Part-time, entry-level work fills a critical need in the nation's workforce.
85% percent of minimum wage employees are students, young people without kids or the second or third wage earner in their family. The average household income of a minimum wage earner is $62,507.
Restaurants train inexperienced workers – teaching them the skills they will need to succeed on any career path, whether in the foodservice industry, or elsewhere.
Ultimately, the fast food strike hurts and exploits low-wage workers, stifles recovery, and creates an environment where it is harder for young people to get their first jobs. If only the economically illiterate mainstream media could explain this instead of simply filming crowds. ::)
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By the way: there is limited wealth on this planet, and the mere possession of wealth attracts yet more of it.
That requires control. Period. This world cannot support a winners-take-all approach. Such an approach will fail, and is now failing before our eyes.
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By the way: there is limited wealth on this planet, and the mere possession of wealth attracts yet more of it.
That requires control. Period. This world cannot support a winners-take-all approach. Such an approach will fail, and is now failing before our eyes.
LOL explain how there is a limited amount of wealth in the world.
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LOL explain how there is a limited amount of wealth in the world.
Tony. Are you telling me there's unlimited wealth?
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Who are you?
One of the most logical, honest and thoughtful posts I have ever read on this site- you must be lost. ;)
Every once in a while I suspend my trolling and answer a question honestly. Thanks for noticing. lol.
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Tony. Are you telling me there's unlimited wealth?
first define wealth, and then explain how its limited
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govt reg on corp profits % wise to what they pay there employees.
should the corps have the ability to not pay their workers if they dont make money or charge them if they lose money?
Im guessing your probably against that, so what youre saying is you want all of the upside but none of the downside then?
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In NC they would just fire them all. Right to work state bitches!
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first define wealth, and then explain how its limited
It's not the little pieces of pretty paper being printed at an alarming rate, Tony.
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LMFAO. Is this for real? Saw some news articles about it but didn't think it could be real.
How in the fuck can that work out? The work they perform isn't worth $15/hour. Sad, but true. It sucks that it's not enough to live off of, but get a job where the value of your skills and services are worth that much. They're out there. Not always easy, but it doesn't mean an employer should pay more because of your shitty circumstances.
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The 1 percent will send their kids to the same handful of schools, they will socialize together, they will work at the same companies, etc. It's not impossible to break into this clique but it's extraordinarily difficult.
The concentration of wealth in this country in the hands of a few is not healthy. I don't have the time to post the studies but if u Google the topic you'll see that this trend is accelerating by the day. Soon they'll be no middle class, it will just be the rich and everyone else, like in Latin America. And virtually everyone on this board will find themselves on the wrong side of that equation.
LOL this is something that those who dont have the forsight, ability and or ambition tell themselves to justify their mediocrity.
Sorry boss, I wasnt born to a rich family, I went to a public high school and public university along with my friends.
I also interned, worked my ass off while going to grad school and now have a great job working with those evil 1% where I am learning and positioning myself to have the potential to make 1% money in the future.
Even if I dont, my kids will be more successful than me and their kids more successful than them....
you act like you and others are helpless ::)
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It's not the little pieces of pretty paper being printed at an alarming rate, Tony.
lol so you cant define it?
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If a McDonald's worker misses a mortgage payment he looses his house.
If the investment banks and hedge funds that control McDonalds through their stock ownership come close to destroying the country's financial system due to gambling on bad mortgages they get bailed out by the McDonald's worker/taxpayer who lost his house.
How is that fair?
LMFAO first if the miss one payment their house isnt get forclosed.
second those people probably arent even paying income taxes, likely they are getting tax refunds....
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they would if they were paid right your getting min wage service what do you expect 15 an hour and they would have a much diff attitude.
Here is the problem. The ones striking are the ones earning a low wage for the shitty job they currently do. A leopard doesn`t change its spots so easily. Its not like they are going to magically be a better worker at 15 an hour, especially when they will have to do MUCH MORE work and it will be MORE difficult. If they can barely handle it now, they would never be able to with a pay increase and more responsibility. Or do they want more money for the same shitty service they usually provide?
Furthermore, you increase the wage to 15 dollars an hour, you won`t see any black faces at these places. They are essentially striking themselves out, begging the bar to be raised to a height they could never hurdle over.
Raise the wage to 15 dollars and what you will get is an all white staff, most likely with college degrees as that will be the requirement. Corporations aren`t going to just throw 15 dollars an hour out the window to Jerome with two pending felonies and four kids at home and a "car note" for an 88 Grand Marquis.
No, they are going to look like Starbucks, but even more "hoity-toity". Blacks will have to find somewhere else to work.
Its all quite amusing really.
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I'm already there buddy. I support two 1 percent families (mine and that of my-ex and kid). But I'm not going to lie about how things work.
were you born there or did you work for it?
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If a McDonald's worker misses a mortgage payment he looses his house.
If the investment banks and hedge funds that control McDonalds through their stock ownership come close to destroying the country's financial system due to gambling on bad mortgages they get bailed out by the McDonald's worker/taxpayer who lost his house.
How is that fair?
Because, without a robust financial system with safety nets, there wouldn`t be a "Mcdonald`s" (not that they would ever need a bailout) for the worker to "miss his payment" so in effect he would miss it anyways.
Also, there are plenty of safety nets for people and their mortgages. There are a ton of options that they can take which is essentially a bailout and then some. How you can compare the two is beyond me.
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lol so you cant define it?
Tony, it is defined as the value that is the very subject of the thread you're now posting in.
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Those of u who live outside of DC, LA and NYC don't get what's going on.
Who would want to live in those overpriced shit holes? That is precisely the problem. The standard of living in all of those areas are artificially high as a result of artificially paying higher salaries so everything is artificially higher. 8 or 9 dollars for 12 fucking eggs I think OneMoreRep said in parts of NY. That is insane.
Fuck those locations. Yet you want to bring that sort of nonsense everywhere?
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Working a McD type job is not intended to nor was it ever intended to support a family. It's an ENTRY LEVEL position ::)
The majority of workers who earn a minimum wage in the US work outside of the restaurant industry. In reality, only 5% of the 10 million restaurant employees earn the minimum wage. Those who do are predominantly teenagers working part-time. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 71% of minimum-wage employees in the restaurant industry are under the age of 25 and 47% are teenagers.
Politicians, labor unions and the media portray service jobs as inferior or less valuable to society than other kinds of employment. Instead of degrading this type of hard work, critics might consider the pride that many restaurant workers take in their jobs and the skills they learn.
Many Americans rely on the additional income and flexibility of these jobs. Most restaurant workers are students with irregular schedules, teenagers saving for school or people who need a job with flexible hours that fit their busy lives. Part-time, entry-level work fills a critical need in the nation's workforce.
85% percent of minimum wage employees are students, young people without kids or the second or third wage earner in their family. The average household income of a minimum wage earner is $62,507.
Restaurants train inexperienced workers – teaching them the skills they will need to succeed on any career path, whether in the foodservice industry, or elsewhere.
Ultimately, the fast food strike hurts and exploits low-wage workers, stifles recovery, and creates an environment where it is harder for young people to get their first jobs. If only the economically illiterate mainstream media could explain this instead of simply filming crowds. ::)
Well there's intent and there's actuality. And in it's actuality, if these fast food or minimum wage jobs period have helped keep the 3.6 million people paid minimum wage and below employed and able to help provide necessities and luxuries for their families. Minimum wage is just that. The minimum amount of money they are allowed to pay you by law. Laborers., and the people get shit on by everyone and get paid shit money. But I remember working my minimum wage days and your average person can attest that you probably physically "worked" the hardest in those shit jobs. The federal min. wage in 1968 was $1.60. Adjusted for inflation is $10.47 per hour. So for anyone to argue that it shouldn't be at least that is a piece of shit or an idiot. It's going to vary state to state because of cost of living. e.g. It's more expensive to live in the city in New York and Los Angeles vs. Tupelo, Mississippi and San Antonio, Texas. So naturally min. wage is going to be higher in New York and L.A. and . So with the min. wage at 10.47 (adjusted for inflation) $15.00 dollars isn't out of the question at all depending on where you live. And as inflation increases minimum wage increases. If it were to decrease (not likely) the minimum wage would decrease.
Like it or not, this is our new normal (till it gets worse). The people are usually fooled into thinking the stock market is an indicator as to how the economy is doing. It's not. unemployment is still high and these jobs popping up are part time jobs for the most part and people that quit looking for work are not counted in the numbers. So these minimum wage jobs have much more value to them now. Lets say the wage is set at $15.00 an hour in this economy. You'll have a totally different applicant than you had before. smarter (on average) and more experienced. So the employer if he or she is hiring the correct way will certainly be getting their money's worth. Businesses can easily absorb a higher minimum wage—with a small price increase or a small reduction in already very high profits. The argument that a higher minimum wage will be a job killer simply doesn’t pass the sniff test of basic economic arithmetic, and is contradicted by reams of serious economic research.
What it ends up being is plain and simple. The greedy rich in the big industries that have corporations that employ a mass of min. wage workers don't want to give up ANYTHING. Even if it doesn't really affect them. It's the principle to them. Make most money at all cost, including breaking the rules. And do they have you all fighting their battle for them and you get jack shit for it.
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A lot of interesting replies in this thread. Both pro and con.
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McDonald's Corp. more than tripled the pay packages last year for CEO Jim Skinner. ... In 2012, his pay package went up to $27.7 million from $8.8 million.
Hard working mofo
(http://www.parade.com/images/-v4/news/2009/0607/default-jim-skinner.jpg)
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Tony, it is defined as the value that is the very subject of the thread you're now posting in.
the subject of this thread is how much money someone should get paid, you just said it wasnt the paper the govt is printing.
would you make up your mind or just admit you cant define it and youre talking out of your ass like usual...
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McDonald's Corp. more than tripled the pay packages last year for CEO Jim Skinner. ... In 2012, his pay package went up to $27.7 million from $8.8 million.
Hard working mofo
(http://www.parade.com/images/-v4/news/2009/0607/default-jim-skinner.jpg)
Great way to prove your point. ::) What his salary, stock and benefits look like all other years? What's sheer profit been for McDonald Corp include Chipotle and anything else they run? You took one year of who knows how many hes been in that position to prove your point. ::)
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McDonald's Corp. more than tripled the pay packages last year for CEO Jim Skinner. ... In 2012, his pay package went up to $27.7 million from $8.8 million.
Hard working mofo
(http://www.parade.com/images/-v4/news/2009/0607/default-jim-skinner.jpg)
I believe he earned it via his duties.
Are you aware that Mcdonalds CEO Jim Skinner worked his way up from the VERY bottom of Mcdonalds, starting as a teenager?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Skinner
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Work and luck.
then you yourself should know exactly what shit it is youre trying to pass off as truth
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(http://www.parade.com/images/-v4/news/2009/0607/default-jim-skinner.jpg)
Skinner graduated high school in 1962 at West High School in Davenport, Iowa,[2] he went on to start serving nearly ten years in the United States Navy, Skinner began his career with McDonald’s as a restaurant manager trainee in Carpentersville, Illinois in 1971, and since then has held numerous leadership positions. He never graduated from college.[3] He started out like so many other teenagers, working as an entry-level crew person at the old McDonald’s on Brady Street in Davenport.[4] Prior to becoming CEO, Skinner was President and Chief Operating Officer of the McDonald's Restaurant Group with corporate management responsibility for Asia, Middle East and Africa (AMEA), and Latin America. Prior to that, he was responsible for McDonald’s Japan Limited, their second-largest market. Skinner held numerous positions in the U.S. Corporation, including Director of Field Operations, Market Manager, Regional Vice President and U.S. Senior Vice President and Zone Manager.
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Great way to prove your point. ::) What his salary, stock and benefits look like all other years? What's sheer profit been for McDonald Corp include Chipotle and anything else they run? You took one year of who knows how many hes been in that position to prove your point. ::)
What's my point fatso ???
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I believe he earned it via his duties.
Are you aware that Mcdonalds CEO Jim Skinner worked his way up from the VERY bottom of Mcdonalds, starting as a teenager?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Skinner
Yes, I'm aware ,what's your point?
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thread's making me hungry for some mcdonalds!
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Great way to prove your point. ::) What his salary, stock and benefits look like all other years? What's sheer profit been for McDonald Corp include Chipotle and anything else they run? You took one year of who knows how many hes been in that position to prove your point. ::)
The CEO of Mcdonalds worked his way up from the bottom, the lowest position you can have there all the way to CEO. You wouldn`t know anything about that though. :D
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yes and if workers see there wages go below 15 an hour they move to another fast food chain that is doing well. also when a corp has pos net profits 99 percent of the time they should be regulated to put away a certain amt of money for when things do go in the red they still can pay there workers 15 an hour until they are rolling in profit again.
not paying an employee for services rendered is illegal.
also where do you think the hundreds of millions of profit go at the end of the year? it should be spread out 50% of it to the employees because without them 0 profit devil corporations.
and without the corporation these ingrates wouldnt have jobs....
if its that easy to just move to another job, why dont these "exploited" workers do it now?
the profit gets rolled back into the business for CapEx, to help expand and to help whether downturns
you act like without these workers the corporation would just stop existing, you realize there are tons of people willing to take their jobs right?
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The CEO of Mcdonalds worked his way up from the bottom, the lowest position you can have there all the way to CEO. You wouldn`t know anything about that though. :D
people dont want to hear that, they want to be told that they are being held back by evil faceless corporations
that if the 1% was more generous that would solve their problems
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The CEO of Mcdonalds worked his way up from the bottom, the lowest position you can have there all the way to CEO. You wouldn`t know anything about that though. :D
According to you only Shaniqua and Trayvon work at McDonalds. Guess not.
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the subject of this thread is how much money someone should get paid, you just said it wasnt the paper the govt is printing.
would you make up your mind or just admit you cant define it and youre talking out of your ass like usual...
The point of this thread is the allotment of value, Tony. Try to wrap your mind around that fact.
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First off, McDonald's isn't going anywhere. Second, I'm not sure if its still like this, but it used to be that you only owned the building, and McDonald's owned the land. It was a fail safe in case they ever went tits up, they could sell the land and recoup and restart/pay back franchisees. Second, who gives a fuck what the CEO makes? He fucking deserves it. Do you know the stress level associated with running a multi billion dollar company? This dude probably doesn't sleep more than four hours a day, and is always thinking. He deserves every penny. The only fast food employees who I could say deserve $10-$15 and hour are Chic fil A people, they are awesome.
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The CEO of Mcdonalds worked his way up from the bottom, the lowest position you can have there all the way to CEO. You wouldn`t know anything about that though. :D
What's your point? You're using 1 guy like its the rule and not the exception. You've proved nothing.
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Great way to prove your point. ::) What his salary, stock and benefits look like all other years? What's sheer profit been for McDonald Corp include Chipotle and anything else they run? You took one year of who knows how many hes been in that position to prove your point. ::)
Wiggs, McDonald's was an investor in Chipotle, but fully divested of them as of 2006.
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The point of this thread is the allotment of value, Tony. Try to wrap your mind around that fact.
value in the form of money you numb nut, now define wealth or just admit you are talking out of your ass ::)
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According to you only Shaniqua and Trayvon work at McDonalds. Guess not.
Of course not. Tons of famous and successful people have worked at The Golden Arches. Politicians, Andy Card-Chief of Staff under Bush, CEO`s (Founder of Amazon), Celebrities, Jay Leno, James Franco, Sharon Stone and on and on. You can name countless famous people actually.
But the Golden Arches is not good enough for our very own Wiggs though. :D
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Wiggs, McDonald's was an investor in Chipotle, but fully divested of them as of 2006.
Ah, I like Chipotle. Great bodybuilding food. Bodybuilding related.
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Of course not. Tons of famous and successful people have worked at The Golden Arches. Politicians, Andy Card-Chief of Staff under Bush, CEO`s (Founder of Amazon), Celebrities, Jay Leno, James Franco, Sharon Stone and on and on. You can name countless famous people actually.
But the Golden Arches is not good enough for our very own Wiggs though. :D
Any fast food place. Because I care what my employer sells and if I don't agree with it, I'm not going to be employed by them. It's called PRINCIPLES Adam.
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value in the form of money you numb nut, now define wealth or just admit you are talking out of your ass ::)
Yes, Tony! Is the fog starting to clear?
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Yes, Tony! Is the fog starting to clear?
holy shit you tard so now youre saying wealth is money?
this is worse than the retard logic you were using in the zimmerman bullshit
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The government should decree how much money you can make.
The government should decree how much money you can spend
The government should decree where you spend your money
The government should decree how you can save your money
The government should decree the allowances of things you can own
The government should redistribute things you own for the betterment of others
The government should decree what you can eat
The government should decree how what you can watch on TV
The government should decree what type of work you should do
The government should decree the medical care you receive
The government should decree where you can live
The government should decree where you can travel
The government should decree who you can marry
The government should decree who you can associate with
Only through complete control can there be complete freedom.
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The government should decree how much money you can make.
The government should decree how much money you can spend
The government should decree where you spend your money
The government should decree how you can save your money
The government should decree the allowances of things you can own
The government should redistribute things you own for the betterment of others
The government should decree what you can eat
The government should decree how what you can watch on TV
The government should decree what type of work you should do
The government should decree the medical care you receive
The government should decree where you can live
The government should decree where you can travel
The government should decree who you can marry
The government should decree who you can associate with
Only through complete control can there be complete freedom.
Disagree >:(
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What is stopping these "striking workers" from finding work elsewhere?
the same thing that's stopping you from finding a better job so you can afford a $7 big mac
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holy shit you tard so now youre saying wealth is money?
this is worse than the retard logic you were using in the zimmerman bullshit
Tony, you were on the verge of making an incredibly stupid statement, several posts ago. You've now spent a dozen or so replies, trying to cover your ass.
You don't think anyone is fooled, do you?
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the same thing that's stopping you from finding a better job so you can afford a $7 big mac
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LOLOL!!! Damn Earl, I didn't know you had that in you!
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The government should decree how much money you can make.
The government should decree how much money you can spend
The government should decree where you spend your money
The government should decree how you can save your money
The government should decree the allowances of things you can own
The government should redistribute things you own for the betterment of others
The government should decree what you can eat
The government should decree how what you can watch on TV
The government should decree what type of work you should do
The government should decree the medical care you receive
The government should decree where you can live
The government should decree where you can travel
The government should decree who you can marry
The government should decree who you can associate with
Only through complete control can there be complete freedom.
Shirley you can't be serious?
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the same thing that's stopping you from finding a better job so you can afford a $7 big mac
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A Big Mac is not worth 7 dollars. Only a moron like you would pay that kind of price and think nothing of it. Hell, you`d probably charge it on a credit card.
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The government should decree how much money you can make.
The government should decree how much money you can spend
The government should decree where you spend your money
The government should decree how you can save your money
The government should decree the allowances of things you can own
The government should redistribute things you own for the betterment of others
The government should decree what you can eat
The government should decree how what you can watch on TV
The government should decree what type of work you should do
The government should decree the medical care you receive
The government should decree where you can live
The government should decree where you can travel
The government should decree who you can marry
The government should decree who you can associate with
Only through complete control can there be complete freedom.
Exactly!!!
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These are multi-national corporations. They have loyalty to no nation or people. Their only purpose is to maximize profits. They could care less about America, or whether America is better off with a middle-class or not.
Thats simply not true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_McDonald_House_Charities
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There are currently 322 Ronald McDonald's Houses in 52 countries and regions. Ronald McDonald Houses act as a place to stay for families with hospitalized children who are receiving treatment. Ronald McDonald's Houses provide over 7,200 bedrooms to families around the world each night, with an estimated value of $257 million in lieu of hotel costs.
There are currently 161 Ronald McDonald's Family Rooms [2] in 19 countries and regions. These Rooms accommodate over 3,000 families each day who live in the local community and don't need to stay at a Ronald McDonald House. They provide a place for family members to rest, wash clothes, take a shower, or nap near the vicinity of their child.
There are currently 43 Ronald McDonald's Care Mobiles [3] in 6 countries. Ronald McDonald Care Mobiles are mobile clinics that offer affordable health care for children in their own neighborhoods. The program serves more than 100,000 children a year, and saves families in the U.S. $10 million in medical and dental costs each year.
The Ronald McDonald's Learning Program (Australia only) was formed in 1997 to help children who had suffered serious illness and returned to school. The stated mission of the program is to provide educational support to these children who have fallen behind in their education. The Ronald McDonald Learning Program is the only program of its kind in Australia.[citation needed]
The Ronald McDonald's Learning Program supplies students with:
A Cognitive and Educational assessment by an Educational Psychologist
40 hours of individual tutoring by a qualified teacher
10 sessions of Speech or Occupational Therapy, if required
International
In 1981, the first Ronald McDonald's House outside the United States opened, in Toronto, Ontario.[citation needed] In 1991, the 150th Ronald McDonald's House opened, in Paris, France. On July 25, 2005, the 250th opened, in Caracas, Venezuela. The first in-hospital Ronald McDonald House in APMEA (Asia Pacific Middle East and Africa) opened at Queen Sirikit National Institute of Child Health, Bangkok, Thailand, on June 7, 2011. Currently there are 324 Ronald McDonald's Houses in 57 countries.
Donation Boxes
RMHC Donation Boxes are located in most McDonald's restaurants.
Pop Tab Program
Through the RMHC Pop Tab Collection Program, to date more than $4 million has been generated. The Pop Tab Collection Program has been established to allow individuals and businesses to collect soda pop tabs from aluminum cans and donate them to their local RMHC Chapter or Ronald McDonald's House. Though it differs from program to program, for the most part, RMHC Chapters use the money received from recycling the tabs to help offset operational expenses or to sponsor or support programs. Not all Houses participate in the Pop Tab Program.
Awards
Worth magazine named Ronald McDonald's House Charity one of "America’s 100 Best Charities" in 2001 and 2002.[3][4]
June 5, 2008 USGBC Awards LEED Platinum Rating to Ronald McDonald's House Charities of Austin and Central Texas, first LEED Platinum Ronald McDonald's House in the world.[citation needed]
The U.S. Green Building Council certified the Ronald McDonald's House Charities of Austin and Central Texas (RMHC-ACT) with Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) Platinum certification, the highest level of sustainable building in the nation.[citation needed] Not only is the green design good for the environment, the eco-friendly features create a healthier environment for the children and families[citation needed] staying at the Ronald McDonald's House while children are treated at area medical centers.[5][6][7]
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A Big Mac is not worth 7 dollars. Only a moron like you would pay that kind of price and think nothing of it. Hell, you`d probably charge it on a credit card.
In Sweden the Big Mac is equal to $7.29 and in Norway $9.63.
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Thats simply not true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_McDonald_House_Charities
Very good point.
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In Sweden the Big Mac is equal to $7.29 and in Norway $9.63.
And guess what the average wage is? Then compare it to the average house size and land they (don`t) own. Good luck trying to buy a car and drive there. ;)
Being black there would be even worse. Nobody would hire you. lol
Their social programs are good for the size of their country, but that would never work here. Plus they have a totally different culture and way of life.
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And guess what the average wage is? Then compare it to the average house size and land they (don`t) own. Good luck trying to buy a car and drive there. ;)
Being black there would be even worse. Nobody would hire you. lol
Their social programs are good for the size of their country, but that would never work here. Plus they have a totally different culture and way of life.
You clearly have never left the borders of this country. I've been treated better in other countries vs. here. You're a fool.
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The Ronald McDonald House?! U can't be serious!!!
Giving Back
How McDonald’s Revolutionized Corporate Philanthropy
http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/topic/excellence_in_philanthropy/giving_back
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The Ronald McDonald House?! U can't be serious!!!
Why not?
But on another note... dont want to pay employees better wages, but take earnings from those employees and give it away to charities?
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You clearly have never left the borders of this country. I've been treated better in other countries vs. here. You're a fool.
A moron black man who thinks the Universe is 6000 years old and campaigned for Ron Paul, doesn`t believe in paying taxes and believes in Mayan Prophecies smack dab in the middle of a White, Atheist, Socialist country with no blacks. What could go wrong? :D
I`m Suuuuuuuuure they would just LOVE to have you there. ::) :D
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A moron black man who thinks the Universe is 6000 years old and campaigned for Ron Paul, doesn`t believe in paying taxes and believes in Mayan Prophecies smack dab in the middle of a White, Atheist, Socialist country with no blacks. What could go wrong? :D
I`m Suuuuuuuuure they would just LOVE to have you there. ::) :D
LOL. Are you going to send them my getbig profile?
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A Big Mac is not worth 7 dollars. Only a moron like you would pay that kind of price and think nothing of it. Hell, you`d probably charge it on a credit card.
i wouldn't pay 5 cents for a big mac because it's crap, you on the other hand swallow them like tic tacs
if you like them so much you should think nothing of dropping a measly 7 bucks on one but you can't afford that as you mentioned :)
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LOL. Are you going to send them my getbig profile?
I don`t think you would make it past immigration anyways. :D
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i wouldn't pay 5 cents for a big mac because it's crap, you on the other hand swallow them like tic tacs
if you like them so much you should think nothing of dropping a measly 7 bucks on one but you can't afford that as you mentioned :)
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I prefer Hardees. :D
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250 years ago great men wrote down this:
We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
And make it the basis for a free society. It doesn't say you have a "right" to be paid a certain amount, or make a certain amount, or travel where they tell you, or live where they tell you. It says you have rights, just from being born, that include the "pursuit of happiness".
Other rights included are here and some of you son's of bitches on this thread to read and learn.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
that means you worship they way you want but keep it the fuck to yourself. It means you can say what you want and can assemble to countenance your representatives in office without fear of jail, or murder or beatings (which were common in Europe)
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Pretty self evident. It means that free men can arm themselves to perserve these freedoms.
"No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."
This means your property is yours. It's NOT on loan to you to be used by the state for their purposes or suppressions. Again, a common practice in Europe
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"
This means the State, the Church, the Lord of the Land or the King cannot take your things without due process. That private property is the bedrock of free men.
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation"
This means you cannot be railroaded into prison by the State, Church, Lord of the Lands or Kings or their whim. That you have a right to a trial by jury, the chance to face your accuser and the requirement of evidence. Again, a common practice in Europe for people who had fallen out of favor with the powers that be.
You can read the rest of your "rights" online but what you won't find is a "right" to someone else's money...a "right" to be paid a certain amount a "right" to someone else's services (healthcare). You're given terrible freedom at birth and you have to fight to maintain it. The rest of you arguing that life isn't fair can fuck off back to commie-land where a bureaucrat determines your life for you. >:(
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I don`t think you would make it past immigration anyways. :D
Yawn. I've been to more countries than you ever will Adam.
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"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"
This means the State, the Church, the Lord of the Land or the King cannot take your things without due process. That private property is the bedrock of free men.
Nice, bro. But it means so much more than that.
It has also been completely disregarded by those who would most benefit by such disregard.
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Why not?
But on another note... dont want to pay employees better wages, but take earnings from those employees and give it away to charities?
McDonald's pays their full time employees VERY well,; managers, supervisors, ops, etc. Single store mgt. start over $40K. Supervise 5 stores = $75K+ car & other expenses + lots of perks. Territory managers = 6 figures + MANY other perks, including nice cars and a few trips per year.
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True Adonis do you even work? Degree?
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True Adonis do you even work? Degree?
You can't dispute his point, so you attempt to discredit him personally? ::)
Whether he's a Rhodes Scholar, or middle school dropout is irrelevant.
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Good for them. I hope they get it. If you take the $2.00 minimum wage Martin Luther King Jr. wanted back in his day and adjust it for inflation, it equals to 15.25 today. The should be a mandatory minimum wage of at least $15.00 per hour. Republicans will argue it will cause them not to hire or spend money on their businesses. Too fucking bad. There's been nothing to show raising the minimum wage has a negative effect on business overall. Look back in history. It never has. The poor and the people that aren't that blessed (or cursed) with intellect have the right to earn a living to take care of their family. The companies make billions of dollars and it can be said since it's not automated yet, no fast foodworkers, no fast food.
I've never worked fast food and never would. But these people take a beating on a daily basis from assholes around the country for shit money. At least $15.00 would kinda make it worth and would put them in a better financial situation. Then you can kick people off welfare and that's alot of money saved there also.
No one is forcing anyone to work, ever hear of the Thirteenth Amendment?
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Hahaha..legit LOL at the creativity of this post.
The guy is a legit genius, I wish I knew the Falcon in real life. We would spend our days laying laminate flooring, and painting rental units. 8)
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No one is forcing anyone to work, ever hear of the Thirteenth Amendment?
I know you're a kid. But you're also a man. So please don't give pathetically weak excuses that will never result in solving a problem. "If you don't like it, get out". Has never solved anything. And why you are mimicking the behaviors of this elite scum when they don't give a shit about you any more than anyone else, escapes me.
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Working a McD type job is not intended to nor was it ever intended to support a family. It's an ENTRY LEVEL position ::)
The majority of workers who earn a minimum wage in the US work outside of the restaurant industry. In reality, only 5% of the 10 million restaurant employees earn the minimum wage. Those who do are predominantly teenagers working part-time. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 71% of minimum-wage employees in the restaurant industry are under the age of 25 and 47% are teenagers.
Politicians, labor unions and the media portray service jobs as inferior or less valuable to society than other kinds of employment. Instead of degrading this type of hard work, critics might consider the pride that many restaurant workers take in their jobs and the skills they learn.
Many Americans rely on the additional income and flexibility of these jobs. Most restaurant workers are students with irregular schedules, teenagers saving for school or people who need a job with flexible hours that fit their busy lives. Part-time, entry-level work fills a critical need in the nation's workforce.
85% percent of minimum wage employees are students, young people without kids or the second or third wage earner in their family. The average household income of a minimum wage earner is $62,507.
Restaurants train inexperienced workers – teaching them the skills they will need to succeed on any career path, whether in the foodservice industry, or elsewhere.
Ultimately, the fast food strike hurts and exploits low-wage workers, stifles recovery, and creates an environment where it is harder for young people to get their first jobs. If only the economically illiterate mainstream media could explain this instead of simply filming crowds. ::)
there s just a little problem... when adults get fired left and right everywhere, they have to go work in fast foods because nobody else wants them anymore, too old... There, they re facing the competition of younger people, old people who got fired just like them, and immigrants. Life is war!
How many times does it have to be told. Currently, worldwide, not just in north america, THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE OF ALL AGES, QUALIFICATIONS, ORIGINS, AND NOT ENOUGH JOBS FOR THEM ALL.
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Well there's intent and there's actuality. And in it's actuality, if these fast food or minimum wage jobs period have helped keep the 3.6 million people paid minimum wage and below employed and able to help provide necessities and luxuries for their families. Minimum wage is just that. The minimum amount of money they are allowed to pay you by law. Laborers., and the people get shit on by everyone and get paid shit money. But I remember working my minimum wage days and your average person can attest that you probably physically "worked" the hardest in those shit jobs. The federal min. wage in 1968 was $1.60. Adjusted for inflation is $10.47 per hour. So for anyone to argue that it shouldn't be at least that is a piece of shit or an idiot. It's going to vary state to state because of cost of living. e.g. It's more expensive to live in the city in New York and Los Angeles vs. Tupelo, Mississippi and San Antonio, Texas. So naturally min. wage is going to be higher in New York and L.A. and . So with the min. wage at 10.47 (adjusted for inflation) $15.00 dollars isn't out of the question at all depending on where you live. And as inflation increases minimum wage increases. If it were to decrease (not likely) the minimum wage would decrease.
Like it or not, this is our new normal (till it gets worse). The people are usually fooled into thinking the stock market is an indicator as to how the economy is doing. It's not. unemployment is still high and these jobs popping up are part time jobs for the most part and people that quit looking for work are not counted in the numbers. So these minimum wage jobs have much more value to them now. Lets say the wage is set at $15.00 an hour in this economy. You'll have a totally different applicant than you had before. smarter (on average) and more experienced. So the employer if he or she is hiring the correct way will certainly be getting their money's worth. Businesses can easily absorb a higher minimum wage—with a small price increase or a small reduction in already very high profits. The argument that a higher minimum wage will be a job killer simply doesn’t pass the sniff test of basic economic arithmetic, and is contradicted by reams of serious economic research.
What it ends up being is plain and simple. The greedy rich in the big industries that have corporations that employ a mass of min. wage workers don't want to give up ANYTHING. Even if it doesn't really affect them. It's the principle to them. Make most money at all cost, including breaking the rules. And do they have you all fighting their battle for them and you get jack shit for it.
I liked you way more before you disappeared and lost your marbles a while back.
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McDonald's Corp. more than tripled the pay packages last year for CEO Jim Skinner. ... In 2012, his pay package went up to $27.7 million from $8.8 million.
Hard working mofo
(http://www.parade.com/images/-v4/news/2009/0607/default-jim-skinner.jpg)
I think you're confusing value with physical labor or something.
I can go out and hire people capable of running a McDonald's Restaurant all day long, in any city around the world.
Try finding a guy capable of running a Fortune 500 company at their level. It won't be very easy.
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What it ends up being is plain and simple. The greedy rich in the big industries that have corporations that employ a mass of min. wage workers don't want to give up ANYTHING. Even if it doesn't really affect them. It's the principle to them. Make most money at all cost, including breaking the rules. And do they have you all fighting their battle for them and you get jack shit for it.
You are right. But still, in the end, they ll kick your ass, cause you re poor , dumb and defenseless compared to the security they can pay themselves.
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I liked you way more before you disappeared and lost your marbles a while back.
I didn't mean that captain Wiggins :).
Seriously though, you've done a 180, you use to be a completely different guy...
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People use to be thankful for employment, maybe we need another great depression? It did wonders for my grandparents generation. Then the baby-boomers came along... ::)
Instead of punishing people that provide us with jobs, lets instead punish people who haven't employed anyone?
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I liked you way more before you disappeared and lost your marbles a while back.
Is that the best you can do? Insult me because you lack the intellect for a logical retort? What I said is true and can't be questioned. What this is attack is, is people that already make $15 or around that feel offended because now you have positions thought of as unskilled or bottom of the barrel making as much or near as much as you and you'll be damned if you worked your ass off for those 5 years in community college to earn you're degree to make $15.75 per hour your better than those people.
So what this amounts to is people in that bracket hating on them because the poor and or dumb organized and have made national news several times this year concerning this matter and are a real threat to get something done. So perhaps insteading of being jealous pricks, you should support them and organize yourselves and demand an increase in pay and benefits if your field deems it. But of course that'll never happen because as long as you get paid 99% of the people on this board and in the workforce won't rock the boat and money keeps them quiet. It says alot about that 1% that do speak up. I have a long history in HR and I've seen and heard alot. People are about preserving themselves and their family and they'll stay in line. Very rarely will you have a person willing to put everything on the line based on principles. Many are killed. Most people would like to think they'd speak up but they don't and never will. Thus the term sheeple. You're a sheep too and this is how they see you. People are very easily manipulated. That's why some of my "crazy" ideas sound "crazy" because all you know is propaganda. You're like a first world North Korea and it's gonna get worse. You've been waking up though P.I.P. but you have much to learn. Always be learning. I love learning. I always have.
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Is that the best you can do?
I didn't mean that captain Wiggins :).
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If I recall, you were quite the libertarian. Now suddenly you want the government to step into a private agreement between two consenting parties, and dictate the terms?
I don't owe you anything, if you need a job and I'm willing to offer you a wage that satisfies you, that's our business.
Do you agree that we can't just punish McDonald's with this $15.00 minimum wage? Wouldn't this be the deathblow to all the struggling small businesses (if Obamacare doesn't take them out that is)?
No more jobs for the young, and unskilled... :-\
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I didn't mean that captain Wiggins :).
Seriously though, you've done a 180, you use to be a completely different guy...
I've decided I'm no longer holding my tongue when the truth is obvious. I don't care how controversial it is or how comfortable it make you, you're going to hear it. People being willfully ignorant or just not caring because they don't believe it concerns them is what makes small problems big. People can make jokes (to ease tension or internal stress) or insult till the cows come home but as you and many others are seeing and will continue to see that tinfoil hat guys like myself and many other were indeed right.
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I've decided I'm no longer holding my tongue when the truth is obvious. I don't care how controversial it is or how comfortable it make you, you're going to hear it. People being willfully ignorant or just not caring because they don't believe it concerns them is what makes small problems big. People can make jokes (to ease tension or internal stress) or insult till the cows come home but as you and many others are seeing and will continue to see that tinfoil hat guys like myself and many other were indeed right.
You and I agree way more than we disagree, I'm one of the tinfoil hat guys myself. Still, you don't have a libertarian bone in your body anymore. I find it funny that you once supported Ron Paul.
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If I recall, you were quite the libertarian. Now suddenly you want the government to step into a private agreement between two parties, and dictate how much people have to pay others?
Do you agree that we can't just punish McDonald's with this $15.00 minimum wage? This would be the death blow to all the struggling small businesses (if Obamacare doesn't take them out that is).
No more jobs for the young, and unskilled... :-\
I am a libertarian, and the government has been stepping into private agreements between two parties for centuries. This is nothing new except an industry that's not known for having a voice has organized to try to have one. They are to be commended. They figured it out, bodybuilders haven't. Bodybuilding related.
To me this is not just about McDonalds or the fast food industry, its about minimum wage workers period. And no it would not put unskilled workers out of work. It makes those jobs Americans wouldn't do before that would go to illegals much more valuable to Americans.
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You and I agree way more than we disagree, I'm one of the tinfoil hat guys myself. Still, you don't have a libertarian bone in your body anymore. I find it funny that you once supported Ron Paul.
This is ideally. We're playing in a rigged game from voting, to taxes, to laws etc. The truth is, they'd never allow him to be in office unless he radically changed his views.
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I am a libertarian, and the government has been stepping into private agreements between two parties for centuries. This is nothing new except an industry that's not known for having a voice has organized to try to have one. They are to be commended. They figured it out, bodybuilders haven't. Bodybuilding related.
Yeah, I see what you're saying but it's idiotic. It doesn't matter if they all go on strike and stick to it. They're too easily replaceable, it's a joke.
These aren't steel or auto workers. They're young people, or unskilled people working six hour shifts serving Orange drink. When McDonald's decides to replace them all with robots what are you going to do?
If it doesn't add up, it just doesn't add up. There's never going to be a shortage of people willing to work at McDonald's for minimum wage, and the value of their food will stay the same unless they change their business model in some significant way.
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This is ideally. We're playing in a rigged game from voting, to taxes, to laws etc. The truth is, they'd never allow him to be in office unless he radically changed his views.
Yep, but do you think Rand has a chance? I think he generally has the same beliefs as his dad but he has the ability to keep his mouth shut about issues that creep people out (unlike you and Ron lol), and for some reason he's better at appealing to a broader range of Republicans.
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Isn't Detroit a perfect example of what happens when you artificially inflate wages? ???
You create a bubble that has to be deflated or pop.
It's great for a while though, and the politicians look like saints.
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Well there's intent and there's actuality. And in it's actuality, if these fast food or minimum wage jobs period have helped keep the 3.6 million people paid minimum wage and below employed and able to help provide necessities and luxuries for their families. Minimum wage is just that. The minimum amount of money they are allowed to pay you by law. Laborers., and the people get shit on by everyone and get paid shit money. But I remember working my minimum wage days and your average person can attest that you probably physically "worked" the hardest in those shit jobs. The federal min. wage in 1968 was $1.60. Adjusted for inflation is $10.47 per hour. So for anyone to argue that it shouldn't be at least that is a piece of shit or an idiot. It's going to vary state to state because of cost of living. e.g. It's more expensive to live in the city in New York and Los Angeles vs. Tupelo, Mississippi and San Antonio, Texas. So naturally min. wage is going to be higher in New York and L.A. and . So with the min. wage at 10.47 (adjusted for inflation) $15.00 dollars isn't out of the question at all depending on where you live. And as inflation increases minimum wage increases. If it were to decrease (not likely) the minimum wage would decrease.
Like it or not, this is our new normal (till it gets worse). The people are usually fooled into thinking the stock market is an indicator as to how the economy is doing. It's not. unemployment is still high and these jobs popping up are part time jobs for the most part and people that quit looking for work are not counted in the numbers. So these minimum wage jobs have much more value to them now. Lets say the wage is set at $15.00 an hour in this economy. You'll have a totally different applicant than you had before. smarter (on average) and more experienced. So the employer if he or she is hiring the correct way will certainly be getting their money's worth. Businesses can easily absorb a higher minimum wage—with a small price increase or a small reduction in already very high profits. The argument that a higher minimum wage will be a job killer simply doesn’t pass the sniff test of basic economic arithmetic, and is contradicted by reams of serious economic research.
What it ends up being is plain and simple. The greedy rich in the big industries that have corporations that employ a mass of min. wage workers don't want to give up ANYTHING. Even if it doesn't really affect them. It's the principle to them. Make most money at all cost, including breaking the rules. And do they have you all fighting their battle for them and you get jack shit for it.
Incredibly well said. Tell it, Wiggs!
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Have fun paying 7 dollars for a Big Mac fat ass. The higher the low skilled wages get, the more expensive everything else would be. Of course, you are incapable of any abstract thought predicative of any future outcome so I might as well explain this to a sewer pipe.
LMAO.. Epic...
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It's quite sad that the minimum wage is too low in the US.
It's quite sad that the most of the wealth in the US is hold by only a fraction of the population.
It's quite sad that corporations that a bigger slice of the GDP compared to thirty years ago.
It's even more sad that people who are not extremely wealthy defend the tactics of the extremely wealthy.
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I am a libertarian, and the government has been stepping into private agreements between two parties for centuries. This is nothing new except an industry that's not known for having a voice has organized to try to have one. They are to be commended. They figured it out, bodybuilders haven't. Bodybuilding related.
To me this is not just about McDonalds or the fast food industry, its about minimum wage workers period. And no it would not put unskilled workers out of work. It makes those jobs Americans wouldn't do before that would go to illegals much more valuable to Americans.
Completely disagree
You need to check your facts. Every time there has been a significant increase to the minimum wage there has been a correlating rise in unemployment. This is FACT, please do some research. Also worth noting is that every time minimum wages have been increased in the US resulting in a rise in unemployment there is a disproportionate rise in unemployment in blacks compared to any other group. Also FACT. So the negative effects are concentrated on the groups that these stupid increases are intending to help the most in the first place.
Minimum wage laws are well intentioned no doubt, but don't deliver.
Also, You claim that these mega corporations can afford it, and of course just looking at their profits year after year clearly it seems they could absorb these extra costs with no ill effect, but you're not looking at the big picture. Implementing too higher minimum wages on corporations make them far less competitive, especially corporations where the majority of their workforce are low skilled. These companies make mega profits no doubt, but there are so many other things you are not considering.
These are publicly traded companies, who not only have to compete for the consumers business but also compete in capital markets to attract investors. A company, especially a large one will always require ongoing funding, and there is only so much debt it can take on. Therefore it requires capital investment i.e. me and you buying shares. If you increase minimum wage, it WILL have an effect on the bottom line of a company that has predominately low skilled workers i.e. McDonald's. Why, if i can see profits reducing, a lower return on investment etc would I go and invest my money in that company. Why would investment funds and superannuation funds invest their members money in those companies? they wouldn't. They have now just become less competitive and in turn are losing capital investment. They have less money to expand and grow and in turn they wont be able to deliver a product of the same quality at the same price.
All this being said, you haven't even considered how much harder it would be on small business, let along large corporations to absorb increases in minimum wages.
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Can you live on minimum wage in America?
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Can you live on minimum wage in America?
no the life expectancy is 6 weeks
thousands are dying in the states due to not being able to super size their fried chicken meals
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Isn't Detroit a perfect example of what happens when you artificially inflate wages? ???
You create a bubble that has to be deflated or pop.
It's great for a while though, and the politicians look like saints.
No. What is happening in Detroit has nothing to do with wages and everything to do with Urban Decay at its worst and what happens when governemnt, media, courts etc eliminate any responsibility whatsoever from its supposed citizens. What happened in Detroit is when the majority of your population doesen't work, doesn't own property, doesn't pay taxes but lives off of tax funded programs and various forms of welfare. What happened there is a result of an uneducated population that, overtime, led to everysingle position and level of local government being corrupt, inept or lazy beyond any other standard ever known or seen in a civilized country.
I can go into detail but "wages" are the least of Detroits problems. You first have to have viable businesses and people willing to work for a living in order to have concerns about wages.
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Good post, I see your point. You are correct in that fast food can feed a family for cheap.
My contention isn't that they be paid 15 bucks an hour. My contention is that they work their asses off for little pay and probably deserve more than they make. I understand its unskilled labor and their pay is comeasurate. But I don't think its fair to classify everyone who works in fastfood as pookie and rayray either. Pookie and rayray don't work. People who work for a living aren't the problem.
I have no idea what the profit margin is. I know that you can get a double cheeseburger for a buck and thats a bargain if you're talking calories per cent.
And thats the point. Even though the public can get that burger for a buck, with processing, taxes, insurance and overhead it might cost them .75 to make, that leaves .25 for profit, you raise the wage , that profit will drop to less than .25. If they don't raise the cost of the product, they have to close their doors then no one works. Also, there is room for growth in the company if one decides to stay. they can go from the food line ($7.25) entry level, to management, then upper management, corporate, etc.
Note; the above doesn't even include the raising of taxes comng down the pike.
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Why didn`t they just quit and find a different job?
Underpaid? How are you judging this?
If, with their current skill sets and experience, they are worth more, then they should work somewhere willing to pay what they're worth. If the most they are capable of making is a McDonald's wage, then that is what they're worth.
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If, with their current skill sets and experience, they are worth more, then they should work somewhere willing to pay what they're worth. If the most they are capable of making is a McDonald's wage, then that is what they're worth.
Read my above post. The industry doesn't warrant that kind of pay increase. You guys that are backing these workers need to start thinking with your brains instead of your emotions.
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15 an hour is way too much for them to get paid dont u think? 10 an hour is fair
Yes unless you a general or district manager. apply85 works at good burger or mayber it was fat burger and he gets paid minimum and he blows he pay theck on his addiction to cough syrup and random pills lkike nyquil pills and antihistamines
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Also, You claim that these mega corporations can afford it, and of course just looking at their profits year after year clearly it seems they could absorb these extra costs with no ill effect, but you're not looking at the big picture. Implementing too higher minimum wages on corporations make them far less competitive, especially corporations where the majority of their workforce are low skilled. These companies make mega profits no doubt, but there are so many other things you are not considering.
LOL gimme a break.
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4.6%... probably lower today.
BTW, McDonalds stores are FRANCHISES, which means each McDonalds is privately owned. Think minions....think!!
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1. Paying Jamal 15 dollars an hour will just raise the bar for hiring requirements for a supposed "low skilled" job.
Exactly. You start paying 15 or 16 bucks you will get half intelligent young white people doing these jobs, as well as white lifers.
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It's quite sad that the minimum wage is too low in the US.
It's quite sad that the most of the wealth in the US is hold by only a fraction of the population.
It's quite sad that corporations that a bigger slice of the GDP compared to thirty years ago.
It's even more sad that people who are not extremely wealthy defend the tactics of the extremely wealthy.
It's even more sad that flex wheeler didn't win at least one Mr O
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the same thing that's stopping you from finding a better job so you can afford a $7 big mac
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Earl,
What up man been a while, did you have to leave after the ravens won?
Looks like another bad year for you guys :)
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Read my above post. The industry doesn't warrant that kind of pay increase. You guys that are backing these workers need to start thinking with your brains instead of your emotions.
I'm NOT backing them. I said if they feel they deserve more, then they should find someplace that will pay it. If they can't, then they are getting paid what they deserve in the marketplace.
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TA dropping nukes of knowledge in this thread.
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TA dropping nukes of knowledge in this thread.
Where ???
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wiggy said
I am a libertarian,
oh shut your mouth you stupid mother fucker. Im this, Im that, and it changes every day... you re just a dumbfuck who d do anything to survive , who would pick any side as long as it allowed you to survive.
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wiggy said
oh shut your mouth you stupid mother fucker. Im this, Im that, and it changes every day... you re just a dumbfuck who d do anything to survive , who would pick any side as long as it allowed to survive.
LOL
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People use to be thankful for employment, maybe we need another great depression? It did wonders for my grandparents generation. Then the baby-boomers came along... ::)
Instead of punishing people that provide us with jobs, lets instead punish people who haven't employed anyone?
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it s not just a depression that is needed, it is wars, because all these people are too numerus fr the small amount of jobs available, so one way or another world population has to decrease. And look what's coming right when it is needed the most! a world recession and probably the usual following wars for bullshits reasons that will make the already rich 1% even richer.
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it s not just a depression that is needed, it is wars, because all these people are too numerus fr the small amount of jobs available, so one way or another world population has to decrease. And look what's coming right when it is needed the most! a world recession and probably the usual following wars for bullshits reasons that will make the already rich 1% even richer.
Do you support abortion?
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$15 an hr to do a job that anyone could master in a week? Yeah, good luck with that. There are tons of jobs requiring far more skills, education and experience that barely pay that. Yet idiots will just keep saying everybody should earn more. Simple supply and demand in the workforce here.
Now fetch me a drank and some fries.
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15 an hour is fucking ridiculous. Most college graduates are lucky to get 15 bucks an hour with a degree. The reality is, the jobs pay minimum wage because they require zero education, and skill. :D
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15 an hour is fucking ridiculous. Most college graduates are lucky to get 15 bucks an hour with a degree. The reality is, the jobs pay minimum wage because they require zero education, and skill. :D
Is 15 bucks an hour a lot? ???
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Is 15 bucks an hour a lot? ???
For the skills required, yes.
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Maybe you don't but others do. They HAVE to raise the cost of each item to make up for the increase in pay. You also have to take into consideration that places like McDonalds is affordable eating to people who are oppressed. You raise the price and you shut those people out. They also wouldn't be paying up "just a little", it would be more than double of they get now.
Jobs at places like McDonalds are also not made for people who have to support a family, it's jobs mostly for high school drop outs or college kids. Just out of curiosity, what do you think the profit margin actually is on a hamburger taking out the cost to process the food, overhead and insurances?
Translation: we can't let those brown people get a raise.
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Translation: we can't let those brown people get a raise.
They won`t get that raise. They will just be fired and white people will be hired. Why can`t you understand that?
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They won`t get that raise. They will just be fired and white people will be hired. Why can`t you understand that?
Maybe you can finally get a job then. ;D
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LOL gimme a break.
You're a moron. Hope this was the break you were looking for. :)
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i want to have more money myself and i want other people to have less
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If you re not rich and smart enough to be a slave owner or if you dont have the chance to be the son of a slave owner, chances are you are a slave yourself. Your two only hopes are that you or your offspring will become a slave owner instead of staying a slave.
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$15 an hr to do a job that anyone could master in a week? Yeah, good luck with that. There are tons of jobs requiring far more skills, education and experience that barely pay that. Yet idiots will just keep saying everybody should earn more. Simple supply and demand in the workforce here.
Now fetch me a drank and some fries.
I disagree with the unskilled part. A place like McD's is a crazy system. Look at the food a high volume store turns out in an hour during lunch. Construction dudes can sit around and smoke weed and talk about bitches.
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ppl need to band together as one nation and unionize and all refuse to work until everyone in the us is getting paid at min 15 an hour thatll show these devilish corporations.
hahaha someone watched too man movies with happy endings.
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The way I see it is everybody should make about 10 an hour without inflation. Then you don't have the welfare system taking such a brutal beating.
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The problem is people will still try to abuse the system, but a couple bucks an hour makes life more livable for any wage employee.
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The way I see it is everybody should make about 10 an hour without inflation. Then you don't have the welfare system taking such a brutal beating.
the way i see it the system is perfect as it is , everyone gets what he deserves. And when it will crash, everyone will get what he deserves too.
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The problem is people will still try to abuse the system, but a couple bucks an hour makes life more livable for any wage employee.
where does it end? why not increase the salary of any 10 bucks an hour job then? I bet most of these strikers are black people who feel entitlted to a salary raise because they think obonga , their "brother" will fall for it. It s always the same crap with chimps blacks black people, just like with turbulent kids you give them a finger and they take the whole arm.
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what we really need to do is destroy all corporations only small businesses the us was way better off without corporations.
could you please go play in traffic.
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what we really need to do is destroy all corporations only small businesses the us was way better off without corporations.
Destroy all businesses, period. That'll show 'em!
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Destroy all businesses, period. That'll show 'em!
;D ;D ;D
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Of the jobs I did this week, one was set in a primary school and another was set in an industrial bakery, and they were both decorated exactly the same. Cutesy cartoon animals on posters and floor mats directing their viewer to behave himself. The bread production line ran on its rails and the people all moved on lines painted on the floor. My skin crawled. I see some variation of this theme almost everywhere I go. Usually not involving cartoons, but always there's this cog-machine vibe and people exasperated as fuck by it.
As far as I can tell, the modern definition of a 'business model' is to give someone a handful of mind-numbingly sub-mental tasks to perform, and then keep them performing those tasks forever while treating them like a retarded six year old. For extra points you can bill yourself as a benefactor of those who would surely wander the streets drooling without your charity.
It's interesting to note the repeated references to what someone is worth, as if a man is a static entity, operating at any given time near his maximal level of competence. I also enjoy the implication that his worth is market dictated, or defined by level of income, and that any notion of innate human dignity is some fantastic, antiquated holdover from idealistic times, without any place in our modern, sophisticated world. For proof we only need to examine the realities of the the marketplace. See how that works? The guru on the mountaintop is a greenback. Eww.
Am I just romanticizing the past if I picture a time when a company trained workers? I don't mean trained in the newspeak sense to perform a particular monkey-task like running the fry station, or how to follow a line of a different color painted on the floor, with a view to exactly how many pennies per minute will be returned. I mean actively extended to its employees programs which benefit the employee and the company but for which it is more difficult to calculate a return. I believe my old man got an MBA through a company subsidized or sponsored program. That kind of thing.
What you have now is a nation of trained task specific accomplishers. A nation of fry cooks and those who calculate the profitability of the cooking of the fries. But when I picture a healthy nation this is not what I envision. Wasn't there a time when men were generally capable individuals?
It just comes down to what you think of people. If you believe that they are generally lazy, dull, untrustworthy, etc, then you'll subscribe to the superior boss/ inferior worker model. I believe people are generally inquisitive, have great potential, and are extremely capable if given the opportunity to develop, so I find the cubicle/ work station model pretty gross.
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Translation: we can't let those brown people get a raise
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And like 95% of liberals and lazy people who live off the tax payers, you have no clue on how busi.essworks. you and people like you(liberals) are the primary.reason why this country is fucked.
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Translation: we can't let those brown people get a raise
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And like 95% of liberals and lazy people who live off the tax payers, you have no clue on how busi.essworks. you and people like you(liberals) are the primary.reason why this country is fucked.
I got a job. ???
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Of the jobs I did this week, one was set in a primary school and another was set in an industrial bakery, and they were both decorated exactly the same. Cutesy cartoon animals on posters and floor mats directing their viewer to behave himself. The bread production line ran on its rails and the people all moved on lines painted on the floor. My skin crawled. I see some variation of this theme almost everywhere I go. Usually not involving cartoons, but always there's this cog-machine vibe and people exasperated as fuck by it.
As far as I can tell, the modern definition of a 'business model' is to give someone a handful of mind-numbingly sub-mental tasks to perform, and then keep them performing those tasks forever while treating them like a retarded six year old. For extra points you can bill yourself as a benefactor of those who would surely wander the streets drooling without your charity.
It's interesting to note the repeated references to what someone is worth, as if a man is a static entity, operating at any given time near his maximal level of competence. I also enjoy the implication that his worth is market dictated, or defined by level of income, and that any notion of innate human dignity is some fantastic, antiquated holdover from idealistic times, without any place in our modern, sophisticated world. For proof we only need to examine the realities of the the marketplace. See how that works? The guru on the mountaintop is a greenback. Eww.
Am I just romanticizing the past if I picture a time when a company trained workers? I don't mean trained in the newspeak sense to perform a particular monkey-task like running the fry station, or how to follow a line of a different color painted on the floor, with a view to exactly how many pennies per minute will be returned. I mean actively extended to its employees programs which benefit the employee and the company but for which it is more difficult to calculate a return. I believe my old man got an MBA through a company subsidized or sponsored program. That kind of thing.
What you have now is a nation of trained task specific accomplishers. A nation of fry cooks and those who calculate the profitability of the cooking of the fries. But when I picture a healthy nation this is not what I envision. Wasn't there a time when men were generally capable individuals?
It just comes down to what you think of people. If you believe that they are generally lazy, dull, untrustworthy, etc, then you'll subscribe to the superior boss/ inferior worker model. I believe people are generally inquisitive, have great potential, and are extremely capable if given the opportunity to develop, so I find the cubicle/ work station model pretty gross.
Food Service is laid out in that manner for efficiency and it is a wonderful system. This is not intended to be any other way so I fail to grasp your initial gripe.
This is not a personal chef type of deal you know. There are plenty of corporations and jobs to work where your mind and ideas are valued. At all levels there has to be some sort of efficiency standards.
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Currently the top comment on (left-leaning) Reddit about this topic:
When you give your opinion, also tell us WHY you have it.
And keep in mind you are talking to 23,242,000 households earning less than 20k a year, which accounts for 1 in 5 people, or 19.2% of Americans in a time when the minimum wage is 40 years behind the poverty line. You're talking to the 40% of Americans receiving federal aid because their wages are insufficient, which are the very same taxes your type of person would go on to complain about.
Meanwhile, the largest corporations are paying not 40+% tax rate like the average citizen (25% income, 6-10% sales tax, property taxes, licensing fees, car registrations, etc), but only 10%, or even 3%, or even negative percent are being paid tax incentives directly from taxpaying citizen pockets. And this isn't taking subsidies into consideration yet.
Nevermind that unemployment is over 10 official percent, and nevermind that unemployment is a carefully derived economics term that doesn't mean "people without jobs". There are 8 types of unemployment, of which the number you see on TV is only 1 of. The real number is somewhere closer to 35-40%, and is in addition to the number on welfare.
And don't forget that companies everywhere are posting record profits, while foreclosure rates in the US are the highest they've been in 2 generations, up 47% from 2007-2008 alone.
And worse, a college education has risen nearly 1000% (that means it cost 10x as much for a student to get a degree than it did for their parents and old-guard bosses who chastise them) since the 60s (wages stayed the same, mind you).
Did everyone already forget the uproar over the "McDonald's Budget" already? Did you know the real numbers were ran, and they came out to be short by $1550 a month?
So please, explain from your armchair your opinion to all 100 million of your fellow citizens earning less than 20k per household. We'll wait.
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Currently the top comment on (left-leaning) Reddit about this topic:
When you give your opinion, also tell us WHY you have it.
And keep in mind you are talking to 23,242,000 households earning less than 20k a year, which accounts for 1 in 5 people, or 19.2% of Americans in a time when the minimum wage is 40 years behind the poverty line. You're talking to the 40% of Americans receiving federal aid because their wages are insufficient, which are the very same taxes your type of person would go on to complain about.
Meanwhile, the largest corporations are paying not 40+% tax rate like the average citizen (25% income, 6-10% sales tax, property taxes, licensing fees, car registrations, etc), but only 10%, or even 3%, or even negative percent are being paid tax incentives directly from taxpaying citizen pockets. And this isn't taking subsidies into consideration yet.
Nevermind that unemployment is over 10 official percent, and nevermind that unemployment is a carefully derived economics term that doesn't mean "people without jobs". There are 8 types of unemployment, of which the number you see on TV is only 1 of. The real number is somewhere closer to 35-40%, and is in addition to the number on welfare.
And don't forget that companies everywhere are posting record profits, while foreclosure rates in the US are the highest they've been in 2 generations, up 47% from 2007-2008 alone.
And worse, a college education has risen nearly 1000% (that means it cost 10x as much for a student to get a degree than it did for their parents and old-guard bosses who chastise them) since the 60s (wages stayed the same, mind you).
Did everyone already forget the uproar over the "McDonald's Budget" already? Did you know the real numbers were ran, and they came out to be short by $1550 a month?
So please, explain from your armchair your opinion to all 100 million of your fellow citizens earning less than 20k per household. We'll wait.
Find a job and sterilize yourself.
That oughta do it.
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Food Service is laid out in that manner for efficiency and it is a wonderful system. This is not intended to be any other way so I fail to grasp your initial gripe.
This is not a personal chef type of deal you know. There are plenty of corporations and jobs to work where your mind and ideas are valued. At all levels there has to be some sort of efficiency standards.
Having individuals repeatedly perform the same simple tasks is dehumanizing. This is what they coldly define as 'worker dissatisfaction.' It is most easily spotted in low income positions, but is more or less pandemic.
Efficiency is a fine thing and I strive for it myself, but more important is a balanced approach. I like to make a buck as much as the next guy, but I find the supremacy of profit at the expense of all else a very silly thing. And taken to extremes, as it is today, the quest for efficiency by monotony is itself inefficient since it fails to account for human nature and potential.
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In this world, you don't want anything. You fucking earn what you want.
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15 an hour is way too much for them to get paid dont u think? 10 an hour is fair
15 an hour will obviously make the fast food more expensive. Do you guys want this?
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All these experts who are so much smarter and more "sensitive" than all the "evil corporations" should open their own companies and employ the hordes of unemployed and underemployed...show these "evil corporations" that your superior ideas about business will create a better world for everyone. ::)
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15 an hour will obviously make the fast food more expensive. Do you guys want this?
yes (IDGAF about fast food)
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Find a job and sterilize yourself.
That oughta do it.
I'm gonna guess that that answer would be downvoted on Reddit.
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15 an hour will obviously make the fast food more expensive. Do you guys want this?
The more short-sighted getbiggers will say that it doesn't matter, that they don't eat fast food, blah blah blah.
What they fail to realize is that if the price of fast food goes up, the prices at all the five star restaurants these guys visit when they give their personal chefs the night off ::) will also skyrocket.
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Find a job and sterilize yourself.
That oughta do it.
As usual, no logical or productive retort from the seed of Satan.
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All these experts who are so much smarter and more "sensitive" than all the "evil corporations" should open their own companies and employ the hordes of unemployed and underemployed...show these "evil corporations" that your superior ideas about business will create a better world for everyone. ::)
I would but I can't stand people.
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the quest for efficiency by monotony is itself inefficient since it fails to account for human nature and potential.
So, you believe that implementing a more elaborate/complex operation for flipping mass numbers of burgers is more efficient than the "monotonous" method used now? How do you suggest they change their operation model while remaining efficient?
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Leave my $1 menu alone bitches!
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All these experts who are so much smarter and more "sensitive" than all the "evil corporations" should open their own companies and employ the hordes of unemployed and underemployed...show these "evil corporations" that your superior ideas about business will create a better world for everyone. ::)
the same people arguing for the $15 have no idea how businesses work, all they know is they deserve more even though tons of people would love their jobs and that the corps are evil
"those that have money dont care and they didnt work hard for their riches so why should the rest of us?"
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Idiots can't even get orders correct and they want double the pay? ::)
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Idiots can't even get orders correct and they want double the pay? ::)
Fast food places, on average, screw up my order at least 1 time out of 3. :-\ :-\ :'( :'(
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Idiots can't even get orders correct and they want double the pay? ::)
Excellent observation.
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Find a job and sterilize yourself.
That oughta do it.
You're never work a day in your life. What do you know about a job?
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I disagree with the unskilled part. A place like McD's is a crazy system. Look at the food a high volume store turns out in an hour during lunch. Construction dudes can sit around and smoke weed and talk about bitches.
The hardest job I've ever worked at was construction and demolition on a military base. Working 10-14 hours a day in steel toes is brutal. Not to mention all the hazards that come along with it. Many breaks is needed to survive during this type of work.
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Isn't Detroit a perfect example of what happens when you artificially inflate wages? ???
You create a bubble that has to be deflated or pop.
It's great for a while though, and the politicians look like saints.
The American auto industry ("Detroit") did not collapsed because of ' high' wages, it collapsed because they failed to invest in better and economically efficient cars.
High wages does not mean a damn thing, unit labour costs is the key paramater. On average the wage of a Chinese employee is still a fraction of his Japanese counterpart, however cost per unit is still lower in Japan for certain goods.
Furthermore, if wages go up people can spend more... Why do you think Henry Ford paid his workers relatively high salaries and thus creating it's own demand.
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As usual, no logical or productive retort from the seed of Satan.
Adonis is so tedious with all his bullshit.
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Good for them. I hope they get it. If you take the $2.00 minimum wage Martin Luther King Jr. wanted back in his day and adjust it for inflation, it equals to 15.25 today. The should be a mandatory minimum wage of at least $15.00 per hour. Republicans will argue it will cause them not to hire or spend money on their businesses. Too fucking bad. There's been nothing to show raising the minimum wage has a negative effect on business overall. Look back in history. It never has. The poor and the people that aren't that blessed (or cursed) with intellect have the right to earn a living to take care of their family. The companies make billions of dollars and it can be said since it's not automated yet, no fast foodworkers, no fast food.
I've never worked fast food and never would. But these people take a beating on a daily basis from assholes around the country for shit money. At least $15.00 would kinda make it worth and would put them in a better financial situation. Then you can kick people off welfare and that's alot of money saved there also.
Bad argument. The higher minimum wage is, the fewer a company can employ. It seems many fail to see this. $20hr minimum wage sounds great, now cut half the jobs...oops.
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Of the jobs I did this week, one was set in a primary school and another was set in an industrial bakery, and they were both decorated exactly the same. Cutesy cartoon animals on posters and floor mats directing their viewer to behave himself. The bread production line ran on its rails and the people all moved on lines painted on the floor. My skin crawled. I see some variation of this theme almost everywhere I go. Usually not involving cartoons, but always there's this cog-machine vibe and people exasperated as fuck by it.
As far as I can tell, the modern definition of a 'business model' is to give someone a handful of mind-numbingly sub-mental tasks to perform, and then keep them performing those tasks forever while treating them like a retarded six year old. For extra points you can bill yourself as a benefactor of those who would surely wander the streets drooling without your charity.
It's interesting to note the repeated references to what someone is worth, as if a man is a static entity, operating at any given time near his maximal level of competence. I also enjoy the implication that his worth is market dictated, or defined by level of income, and that any notion of innate human dignity is some fantastic, antiquated holdover from idealistic times, without any place in our modern, sophisticated world. For proof we only need to examine the realities of the the marketplace. See how that works? The guru on the mountaintop is a greenback. Eww.
Am I just romanticizing the past if I picture a time when a company trained workers? I don't mean trained in the newspeak sense to perform a particular monkey-task like running the fry station, or how to follow a line of a different color painted on the floor, with a view to exactly how many pennies per minute will be returned. I mean actively extended to its employees programs which benefit the employee and the company but for which it is more difficult to calculate a return. I believe my old man got an MBA through a company subsidized or sponsored program. That kind of thing.
What you have now is a nation of trained task specific accomplishers. A nation of fry cooks and those who calculate the profitability of the cooking of the fries. But when I picture a healthy nation this is not what I envision. Wasn't there a time when men were generally capable individuals?
It just comes down to what you think of people. If you believe that they are generally lazy, dull, untrustworthy, etc, then you'll subscribe to the superior boss/ inferior worker model. I believe people are generally inquisitive, have great potential, and are extremely capable if given the opportunity to develop, so I find the cubicle/ work station model pretty gross.
Nice, Tapeworm. Seriously sweet.
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...man, to see TW's comments be so perfectly followed by Coach like that, it's just too much. You couldn't make this shit up.
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Henry Ford was a great, patriotic American. People should educate themselves about him. His main priority was making money but he was a patriot too. Today's CEOs only care about making money.
Patriot? Wasnt ole Henry a supporter of Hitler?
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ROFLMAO!!!!
I just had to drive all the way back to Burger King just now to get my Fries that they left out of my bag. I was the ONLY order taken in at least 10 minutes, nobody was in line.
15 dollars an hour and they can`t even get this right. LOLOLOLOLOL
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Imagine if Getbig opened a chain of seafood restaurants called Mudshark.
;D ;D ;D
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ROFLMAO!!!!
I just had to drive all the way back to Burger King just now to get my Fries that they left out of my bag. I was the ONLY order taken in at least 10 minutes, nobody was in line.
15 dollars an hour and they can`t even get this right. LOLOLOLOLOL
Should have went to Skippy's! 8)
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Should have went to Skippy's! 8)
No doubt. I didn`t even get an apology. No, "I am sorry" or explanation of how it happened or an incentive for their mistake.
hahahha yet they want people to take them seriously for 15 an hour. HAHAHAAHH
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No doubt. I didn`t even get an apology. No, "I am sorry" or explanation of how it happened or an incentive for their mistake.
hahahha yet they want people to take them seriously for 15 an hour. HAHAHAAHH
It is so moronic that I cant even take it seriously. I suggest that all these turds who think they are underpaid to start tipping them.
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It is so moronic that I cant even take it seriously. I suggest that all these turds who think they are underpaid to start tipping them.
These morons who think that way admit they don`t like fast food so I don`t know why they even should have a say in any of it. They aren`t consumers nor are they shareholders, yet they are the ones with the loudest mouth, throwing tantrums like a child.
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The only thing I did get a comment on was how nice my Mercedes was. ::)
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These morons who think that way admit they don`t like fast food so I don`t know why they even should have a say in any of it. They aren`t consumers nor are they shareholders, yet they are the ones with the loudest mouth, throwing tantrums like a child.
Typical. I was having a discussion with someone about the NEA one day. I suggested they should sponsor an artist and truly become a patron. They just stared at me blankly and then continued to rant about how it should receive more funding. :-\
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But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical fact. The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: 'Your money, or your life.' And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat - Lysander Spooner
First they take your property as they see fit. Now you're ready for them to tell you what you can pay a man for his work...or what you can accept for your labors?
Forward Soviet! ::)
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Typical. I was having a discussion with someone about the NEA one day. I suggested they should sponsor an artist and truly become a patron. They just stared at me blankly and then continued to rant about how it should receive more funding. :-\
One of my "neighbors" is a Landscape Architect and a Professor at NCSU and its ridiculous how much money he gets in endowments and grants. Thousands and thousands of dollars to "install" art in places. Care to tell me what this one is? ??? I think this one was worth 10 -15,000 for some disassembled tents paid for by the city via tax dollars.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2qmgae1.jpg)
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I have found that very rarely do fast food places fuck up my order. It's only human to err.
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Bad argument. The higher minimum wage is, the fewer a company can employ. It seems many fail to see this. $20hr minimum wage sounds great, now cut half the jobs...oops.
Then fast food becomes, moderately fast food.
;D
Why not raise the cost of a burger by a few dollars a piece? They could use the revenue to pay their employees, AND curb the growing obesity pandemic...
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Typical. I was having a discussion with someone about the NEA one day. I suggested they should sponsor an artist and truly become a patron. They just stared at me blankly and then continued to rant about how it should receive more funding. :-\
I remember Bill Maher saying that we should get rid of the NEA. Start@50 seconds
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One of my "neighbors" is a Landscape Architect and a Professor at NCSU and its ridiculous how much money he gets in endowments and grants. Thousands and thousands of dollars to "install" art in places. Care to tell me what this one is? ??? I think this one was worth 10 -15,000 for some disassembled tents paid for by the city via tax dollars.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2qmgae1.jpg)
$100 in material and $10k+ in his pocket. :-\
Like wirh most grants its just all about the skill of writing it. Sad.
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$100 in material and $10k+ in his pocket. :-\
Like wirh most grants its just all about the skill of writing it. Sad.
They have a penchant for fucking things up and making things worse. This "sculpture" "Boque for Davidson" in Davidson County was done by one of Jezebelles Professors, Andy Dunnill. I met him and he was really an asshole.
Here is the before picture at the Davidson County Post Office.
(http://davidsonnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/040609dunnill.jpg)
Here is the after. WHAT THE FUCK?
(http://davidsonnews.net/files/2011/01/011011SNOWBouquet.jpg)
(http://davidsonnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/041609sculpturefull.jpg)
He was paid 36,000 DOLLARS FOR THIS SHIT.
Nobody likes it.
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When the Chinese start exporting the .50 an hour jobs to this country, and their standard of living starts to surpass ours, we will have really reaped the benefits of "free market" economics. And the heads of the multi-national corporations won't care because the 1 percent will still be doing fine.
a lot of nonsense in this post. Here are some facts and things to consider:
- now, the wages are mostly going up in China. Cheap labour is moving to other Asian countries to some extent.
- the rich Chinese people desire western luxury products (e.g. Louis Vuitton, Audi..). This will of course keep western jobs in those companies for those who managed to get a relevant university education.
- a lot of businesses all over the world, also in Europe and the US, see exponential growth rates if they are able to be first movers on an emerging business segment. This is also true for some small companies.
- Creative thinking and branding can go a long way. I think the owner of the clothes company Diamond would agree as he cruises around in his Ferrari.:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1148891_10151756047431211_1213986642_n.jpg)
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But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical fact. The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: 'Your money, or your life.' And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat - Lysander Spooner
First they take your property as they see fit. Now you're ready for them to tell you what you can pay a man for his work...or what you can accept for your labors?
Forward Soviet! ::)
Government and corporation have become the same. So what you say about one, you mean about the other, as well.
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Now you're ready for them to tell you what you can pay a man for his work...or what you can accept for your labors?
Forward Soviet! ::)
This sums up the entire thread.
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Instead of some CEO making 30 mill a year why not cut his check to 25 mill a year and give everyone a raise. Its what happened to hostess
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They have a penchant for fucking things up and making things worse. This "sculpture" "Boque for Davidson" in Davidson County was done by one of Jezebelles Professors, Andy Dunnill. I met him and he was really an asshole.
Here is the before picture at the Davidson County Post Office.
(http://davidsonnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/040609dunnill.jpg)
Here is the after. WHAT THE FUCK?
(http://davidsonnews.net/files/2011/01/011011SNOWBouquet.jpg)
(http://davidsonnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/041609sculpturefull.jpg)
He was paid 36,000 DOLLARS FOR THIS SHIT.
Nobody likes it.
Wow. How about $5k on landscaping? That really looks like shite.
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Who is this girl looks hot.
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So, you believe that implementing a more elaborate/complex operation for flipping mass numbers of burgers is more efficient than the "monotonous" method used now? How do you suggest they change their operation model while remaining efficient?
I'm talking about any business to which 'efficiency experts' have taken a hatchet, not just fast food. Factories, offices, etc. Anywhere people do the same thing over and over, following a set procedure, without any need to think a situation through. It's unnatural.
Yes, I believe that in the long term a company would create a stronger workforce for itself if it developed employees into good problem solvers rather than good procedure followers. Imo, time and money lost as the cost per burger flipped rises would be repayed by things that are harder to measure. Versatility, initiative, satisfaction (they'll care to get your order right), worker development, supervision cost savings, reduced contractor costs, etc.
I don't believe $15 would solve anything for fast food workers. In six months they'd be just as bored and unhappy as they are now. Possibly more so as management pushes for higher productivity under the same system. But a guy who can do anything associated with the running of a burger joint (or a factory, office, ect), from burgers to ordering to landscaping to plant maintenance to accounting, is a bargain at $15 per hour.
I get the temptation to lock someone into a set procedure for a specific task and never let them touch another damn thing since they'll just fuck it up. I really, really do. It's better for the daily earnings but I don't believe its the way to go long term for the company, the worker, or the general welfare.
Current systems work on the assumption that people are just too hopeless to develop but I don't think that's true.
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a lot of nonsense in this post. Here are some facts and things to consider:
- now, the wages are mostly going up in China. Cheap labour is moving to other Asian countries to some extent.
- the rich Chinese people desire western luxury products (e.g. Louis Vuitton, Audi..). This will of course keep western jobs in those companies for those who managed to get a relevant university education.
- a lot of businesses all over the world, also in Europe and the US, see exponential growth rates if they are able to be first movers on an emerging business segment. This is also true for some small companies.
- Creative thinking and branding can go a long way. I think the owner of the clothes company Diamond would agree as he cruises around in his Ferrari.:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1148891_10151756047431211_1213986642_n.jpg)
Ha, I was at Ferrari of Newport Beach two weeks ago...just looking of course :(
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Who is this girl looks hot.
booty
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Instead of some CEO making 30 mill a year why not cut his check to 25 mill a year and give everyone a raise. Its what happened to hostess
The CEO is offcourse worth every penny of his salary.... ::)
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Just saw a show about South East Asian people working in a rubber factory, it looked horrendous. McDonald's workers look like well paid professionals with a cushy job in comparison.
They were thankful for employment though, and they were doing full on labor. Not hanging around chatting about white women and fucking up peoples orders.
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I'm talking about any business to which 'efficiency experts' have taken a hatchet, not just fast food. Factories, offices, etc. Anywhere people do the same thing over and over, following a set procedure, without any need to think a situation through. It's unnatural.
Yes, I believe that in the long term a company would create a stronger workforce for itself if it developed employees into good problem solvers rather than good procedure followers. Imo, time and money lost as the cost per burger flipped rises would be repayed by things that are harder to measure. Versatility, initiative, satisfaction (they'll care to get your order right), worker development, supervision cost savings, reduced contractor costs, etc.
I don't believe $15 would solve anything for fast food workers. In six months they'd be just as bored and unhappy as they are now. Possibly more so as management pushes for higher productivity under the same system. But a guy who can do anything associated with the running of a burger joint (or a factory, office, ect), from burgers to ordering to landscaping to plant maintenance to accounting, is a bargain at $15 per hour.
I get the temptation to lock someone into a set procedure for a specific task and never let them touch another damn thing since they'll just fuck it up. I really, really do. It's better for the daily earnings but I don't believe its the way to go long term for the company, the worker, or the general welfare.
Current systems work on the assumption that people are just too hopeless to develop but I don't think that's true.
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I'm sure this is we're robotics will come into play, remedial montonous tasks, a robot could easily be programmed to do what a human does but without the perfunctory attitude, of a smoke break, being late and constantly "lousing" up orders.
It is only a matter of time when the robot will be taking your order.
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15 an hour will obviously make the fast food more expensive. Do you guys want this?
maybe that will end the obesity issue in this country
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ROFLMAO!!!!
I just had to drive all the way back to Burger King just now to get my Fries that they left out of my bag. I was the ONLY order taken in at least 10 minutes, nobody was in line.
15 dollars an hour and they can`t even get this right. LOLOLOLOLOL
always check the bag before you leave the place
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maybe that will end the obesity issue in this country
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Yes, blame a restaurant instead of the fat ass shoving food in its mouth.
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maybe that will end the obesity issue in this country
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And kill more jobs...brilliant.
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Yes, blame a restaurant instead of the fat ass shoving food in its mouth.
they'll be shoving in less if they have to pay more, right?
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And kill more jobs...brilliant.
hire them to work at your gym
if they can count money at the register i'm sure they can count reps
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they'll be shoving in less if they have to pay more, right?
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Nope. They will just eat elsewhere. From the Grocery Store (where the majority of their food comes from) The grocery store sells cheap enough food still. Perhaps you want to raise the prices there as well. Moron.
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hire them to work at your gym
if they can count money at the register i'm sure they can count reps
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Bitch please, you couldn't do my job..lol
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Nope. They will just eat elsewhere. From the Grocery Store (where the majority of their food comes from) The grocery store sells cheap enough food still. Perhaps you want to raise the prices there as well. Moron.
was that the first time they forgot your fries in your gazillion trips to the fast food restaurant? or do you keep going back despite the bad service?
go "eat elsewhere" if you don't like the prices or service, moron
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Bitch please, you couldn't do my job..lol
i'm not telling you to hire me, hire them
create jobs :)
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You guys are not seeing the big picture here. There are supervisors/managers at other companies who barely make 15 an hour. What happens if a fry cook suddenly starts making $15 an hour? Mass strikes at almost every other service business in America.
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i'm not telling you to hire me, hire them
create jobs :)
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We are in the process of hiring sales people.
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I'm sure this is we're robotics will come into play, remedial montonous tasks, a robot could easily be programmed to do what a human does but without the perfunctory attitude, of a smoke break, being late and constantly "lousing" up orders.
It is only a matter of time when the robot will be taking your order.
I saw they automated some stuff like the drink machine. Not sure to what degree it'll be practical since what's monotonous for a person can be complex and costly for a machine, but if it can be done there's no reason not to. I don't have any problem with mechanization.
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haha imagine always teste working at mac
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I saw they automated some stuff like the drink machine. Not sure to what degree it'll be practical since what's monotonous for a person can be complex and costly for a machine, but if it can be done there's no reason not to. I don't have any problem with mechanization.
I've been seeing an increasing number of kiosk-type vending machines around, that sell the most unlikely things. Things that a person might otherwise get at a big-box store, etc.
The idea is that a signal is tripped when an item is running low, an online order is automatically placed and FedEx or UPS delivers it and actually stocks it into the machine.
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From a purely economic standpoint, the marginally profitable stores will have to cut staff, causing an increase in wait time for food, causing a decrease in customers, causing further cuts in staff. The other option is to increase prices, but that movie ends the same way, with fewer jobs because of the decreased demand.
In either case, Libs will start chirping that the loss of jobs is a failure of the free market.
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other option is a lot of people die cause the system doesnt work anymore.
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other option is a lot of people die cause the system doesnt work anymore.
Of what, starvation?
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/null_zps150ae8d3.png)
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Of what, starvation?
(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/null_zps150ae8d3.png)
because a lots of kids nowadays are fat doesnt mean they d do great if after a global economic crash everyone loses their jobs and cant pay for food anymore.
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Most people who work in gourmet restaurants don`t even make 15 dollars an hour. HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Most people who work in gourmet restaurants don`t even make 15 dollars an hour. HAHAHAHAHAHA
To most GetBiggers, TGI Friday's is a "gourmet" restaurant. :-\
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Can you live on minimum wage in America?
Very difficult to do. But not for you:
1. A cardboard box to live in .....$8.00 at Staples. Or free if you find one in the trash.
2. Food...Free, if you rely on dumpster diving.
3. Clothes...See 2.
As you can see, no problem maintaining your current lifestyle. And your new level of pay will cover that occasional porn movie, popsicles, an occasional shower, and a smidgen of meth to fuel your work effort.
Good luck!
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Silly fast food workers. This ain't Greece.
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Silly fast food workers. This ain't Greece.
;D