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Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag operation plan that originated within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other operatives to commit genuine acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of the Operation Northwoods plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
Operation Northwoods included proposals for hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/index.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
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Are you kidding me, OzmO? You moved this thread to the conspiracy theories board? Why?
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Yeah you are right, just skimmed it....moving back.
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Yeah you are right, just skimmed it....moving back.
No problem! Please delete my new thread in the CT board about Obama. ;D
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No problem! Please delete my new thread in the CT board about Obama. ;D
lol, I thought maybe you were chewing a few to many coca leaves down there when I saw that. ;D
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4242016437813472857#
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http://buildingwhat.org/video-gallery/
Different year same game. ;)
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lol, I thought maybe you were chewing a few to many coca leaves down there when I saw that. ;D
LOL...I can see why you thought that. BTW, not many coca leaves on my side of Venezuela, but there is plenty in Bolivia. It grows like "weeds" there. :)
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Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag operation plan that originated within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other operatives to commit genuine acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of the Operation Northwoods plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
Operation Northwoods included proposals for hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/index.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
Wait a minute...wait a minute. I have posted this information a THOUSAND TIMES and was labeled a CT nut (thankfully there is a CT board for my nutjob posts ;D) Nonetheless when I would post this info I would be laughed at, then ridiculed, then agreed with. I am glad you all are starting to see the light as I put this post up in threads to 911 and as proof of americas FALSE FLAG techniques. Once again glad to see you all seeing the light...
Pip Pip and carry on...
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where are the neoscums on this subject?
333's? beach bum? care to interject or is this subject to scary? ;)
false flag baby!!!
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Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag operation plan that originated within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other operatives to commit genuine acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of the Operation Northwoods plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
Operation Northwoods included proposals for hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/index.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
*Bump* 4 3333's
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where are the neoscums on this subject?
333's? beach bum? care to interject or is this subject to scary? ;)
false flag baby!!!
What do neocons have to do with this? JFK was POTUS, a Democrat.
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What do neocons have to do with this? JFK was POTUS, a Democrat.
BOOM !!
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What do neocons have to do with this? JFK was POTUS, a Democrat.
JFK refused the False Flag Operation.
Dope.
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JFK refused the False Flag Operation.
Dope.
So? What exactly do neocons have to do with it? Doesn't the POTUS select the heads of the JCOS? The CIA...... so those would be Kennedys people that came up with the plan
Dumbass
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Don't let Beach Bum see this; he will insist it is a lie because it doesn't portray the US in the perfect light he would like it to be in.
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where are the neoscums on this subject?
333's? beach bum? care to interject or is this subject to scary? ;)
false flag baby!!!
Didnt know JFK was a NEOCON. Thanks for sharing.
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Didnt know JFK was a NEOCON. Thanks for sharing.
Nice deflection...i see you have no answer........as usual.
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Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag operation plan that originated within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other operatives to commit genuine acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of the Operation Northwoods plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
Operation Northwoods included proposals for hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/index.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
any response 333's? or is this 'another' CT? ;)
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So? What exactly do neocons have to do with it? Doesn't the POTUS select the heads of the JCOS? The CIA...... so those would be Kennedys people that came up with the plan
Dumbass
lol
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Don't let Beach Bum see this; he will insist it is a lie because it doesn't portray the US in the perfect light he would like it to be in.
It's Utopia. :)
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Its a good story.... but i don't see what his has to do with 9/11 or anything else.
So there's people in the government/military in the 60's that wanted to start a war using a false flag operation. Am i missing anything?
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Its a good story.... but i don't see what his has to do with 9/11 or anything else.
So there's people in the government/military in the 60's that wanted to start a war using a false flag operation. Am i missing anything?
Maybe you're missing the fact that CT nuts are constantly looking for validation. :)
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Its a good story.... but i don't see what his has to do with 9/11 or anything else.
So there's people in the government/military in the 60's that wanted to start a war using a false flag operation. Am i missing anything?
Yes...somehow you are missing that in 2001 a FALSE FLAG was perpetrated that led america to attack INNOCENT Iraq and Afghanistan so it could steal its natural resources: Oil, Gas, Copper, Opium/Heroin and Gold...not to mention the strategic location
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We don't do stuff like that... lol
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Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag operation plan that originated within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other operatives to commit genuine acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation[/b], which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of the Operation Northwoods plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/index.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
Bump for Benny 333456!
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Yes...somehow you are missing that in 2001 a FALSE FLAG was perpetrated that led america to attack INNOCENT Iraq and Afghanistan so it could steal its natural resources: Oil, Gas, Copper, Opium/Heroin and Gold...not to mention the strategic location
That would be flawed logic. Just because there was a desire for a false flag in 1962 doesnt mean 911 was a False flag.
You see that's why CT'ers are often ridiculed, because they use arguments like that.
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Wait a minute...wait a minute. I have posted this information a THOUSAND TIMES and was labeled a CT nut (thankfully there is a CT board for my nutjob posts ;D) Nonetheless when I would post this info I would be laughed at, then ridiculed, then agreed with. I am glad you all are starting to see the light as I put this post up in threads to 911 and as proof of americas FALSE FLAG techniques. Once again glad to see you all seeing the light...
Pip Pip and carry on...
shut your stupid stanking fly trap you retarded pile of shit.
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shut your stupid stanking fly trap you retarded pile of shit.
Well Well well if it isn't the angry white inbred retard of GB setting the example of how a moderator conducts himself on the board. You can reduce your frustrations in life if you just stop looking in the mirror.
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Samson, switch to Jag when you want to insult people. You seem slightly smarter when you adopt that alter ego.
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That would be flawed logic. Just because there was a desire for a false flag in 1962 doesnt mean 911 was a False flag.
You see that's why CT'ers are often ridiculed, because they use arguments like that.
Your logic is not logic at all, but something you concocted to justify your belief.
The fact that in 1962 the american government would sit down and write out a scenario of attacking an innocent nation based upon not only on lies it would tell about a nation, but that it would also stage the explosion of a commercial jet liner, stage a fake invasion attack in Florida etc etc and blame it on Cuba. This is the same thing that was done on 911. Staged airliner attacks, controlled demolition of towers, WTC 7 & the Pentagon as well as a FAKE plane crash in Shakesville (no airplane parts) as justification for the wars you see happening in Iraq and Afghanistan today...and all of this supposedly to capture a 6' 5" man dressed in white robes, who is a CIA operative by the name of Tim Osman (Osama Bin Laden) who is hooked to a dialysis machine and supposedly a terrorist.
Yeah you're right Ozzy there is no comparison
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Your logic is not logic at all, but something you concocted to justify your belief.
The fact that in 1962 the american government would sit down and write out a scenario of attacking an innocent nation based upon not only on lies it would tell about a nation, but that it would also stage the explosion of a commercial jet liner, stage a fake invasion attack in Florida etc etc and blame it on Cuba. This is the same thing that was done on 911. Staged airliner attacks, controlled demolition of towers, WTC 7 & the Pentagon as well as a FAKE plane crash in Shakesville (no airplane parts) as justification for the wars you see happening in Iraq and Afghanistan today...and all of this supposedly to capture a 6' 5" man dressed in white robes, who is a CIA operative by the name of Tim Osman (Osama Bin Laden) who is hooked to a dialysis machine and supposedly a terrorist.
Yeah you're right Ozzy there is no comparison
I am not arguing 911 here. Did you know we have a whole other board for that? :)
I am only saying that just because Northwoods is true doesn't mean 911 is.
An argument might be that because some people in the military in 1962 wanted to use a false flag op to start a war then there might be people in the military in 2001, 40 years later who also wanted to do the same thing. However, that doesn't make or prove a 911 CT.
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Ozmo may be onto something. Lundgrenisgod sucked cock and watched gay porn before-- but that doesn't mean he's gay.
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I am not arguing 911 here. Did you know we have a whole other board for that? :)
I am only saying that just because Northwoods is true doesn't mean 911 is.
An argument might be that because some people in the military in 1962 wanted to use a false flag op to start a war then there might be people in the military in 2001, 40 years later who also wanted to do the same thing. However, that doesn't make or prove a 911 CT.
You mean the fact that movies were made about the destruction of the WTC months and a few years before it happened and the producers of those movies all said the CIA came to them and suggested they make movies of this theme is not reason to raise an eyebrow? How about the PNAC document written about the need for a New Pearl Harbor, which by the way was another STAGED event or the fact on 911 so many MILITARY/SAFETY FAILURES happened so conveniently and so much info about the day is labeled as CLASSIFIED? So many people DEAD who knew about what was happening or were victims of the event? Ya gotta admit Oz that there is a whole hellava lot of info saying it was STAGED than it being an honest event. BTW can someone please tell me how 9 of the 19 hijackers are still alive if the planes they were on crashed into the towers, Pentagon and Shakesville?
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You mean the fact that movies were made about the destruction of the WTC months and a few years before it happened and the producers of those movies all said the CIA came to them and suggested they make movies of this theme is not reason to raise an eyebrow? How about the PNAC document written about the need for a New Pearl Harbor, which by the way was another STAGED event or the fact on 911 so many MILITARY/SAFETY FAILURES happened so conveniently and so much info about the day is labeled as CLASSIFIED? So many people DEAD who knew about what was happening or were victims of the event? Ya gotta admit Oz that there is a whole hellava lot of info saying it was STAGED than it being an honest event. BTW can someone please tell me how 9 of the 19 hijackers are still alive if the planes they were on crashed into the towers, Pentagon and Shakesville?
Are you not reading what i am saying? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Red Herring: Raising an issue or challenge that is not relevant or is simply a distraction from the issue at hand. The issue being my argument you responded to.
Why are you doing that? Or did you just misread my post?
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Are you not reading what i am saying? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Red Herring: Raising an issue or challenge that is not relevant or is simply a distraction from the issue at hand. The issue being my argument you responded to.
Why are you doing that? Or did you just misread my post?
I read and understand your post, but you are ignoring the relationship between the two events that i made. I am NOT trying to prove 911...that is already undertood, I am trying to make you see the METHOD OF OPERATION of your government in getting what it wants. In 1962 it was creating the justification to attack Cuba to claim it as its own...in 2001 it was justification to attack Iraq/Afghanistan to claim its resources as its own. You commented in another thread that Iraq and Afghanistan are essentially owned by america now.... and that was americas goal all along.
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Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag operation plan that originated within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other operatives to commit genuine acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of the Operation Northwoods plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
Operation Northwoods included proposals for hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/index.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
*BUMP* for Benny's 333456 response.
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Bump for what? What are ou looking for me to say?
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Bump for what? What are ou looking for me to say?
Did the USA orchestrate a False Flag Operation designed to MURDER Americans to start War with Cuba?
yes or no?
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Did the USA orchestrate a False Flag Operation designed to MURDER Americans to start War with Cuba?
yes or no?
Where did I deny it
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Where did I deny it
Yes or No?
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Where did I deny it
I'll take that as a YES.
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Where did I deny it
Operation Northwoods = 9-11
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Did the USA orchestrate a False Flag Operation designed to MURDER Americans to start War with Cuba?
yes or no?
Where did I deny it
FINALLY 33's agrees the USA planned to MURDER its own citizens for the sake of War with Cuba.
9-11 was no different.
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Proof of one CT does make another one true.
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Proof of one CT does make another one true.
Nice deflection.....again.
Operation Northwoods is a proven FACT.
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Nice deflection.....again.
Operation Northwoods is a proven FACT.
are you fucking retarded, he didn't deny that.
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sorry loco, I know you didn't start the thread with CT intent but CT took over so I'm moving the thread. Hope you're not pissed.
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333's now agrees Operation Northwoods was a False Flag Operation designed to MURDER AMERICANS to start War.
9-11 was no different.
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Proof of one CT does make another one true.
Exactly
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sorry loco, I know you didn't start the thread with CT intent but CT took over so I'm moving the thread. Hope you're not pissed.
It's okay Hugo! I'm not mad. That's what the US government wants the world to believe anyway, that Northwoods is just a CT. ;D
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I read and understand your post, but you are ignoring the relationship between the two events that i made. I am NOT trying to prove 911...that is already undertood, I am trying to make you see the METHOD OF OPERATION of your government in getting what it wants. In 1962 it was creating the justification to attack Cuba to claim it as its own...in 2001 it was justification to attack Iraq/Afghanistan to claim its resources as its own. You commented in another thread that Iraq and Afghanistan are essentially owned by america now.... and that was americas goal all along.
And what's the proof that that was its goal all along?
I also acknowledge what you are trying to get me to see....so maybe you didnt read and understand my post. I said an argument might be that people with in the us government wanted to use a fAlse flag op in 1962 and therefore its possible that in 2001 the same thing is true. However one does not prOve another. Nor does it prove 911 was an inside job. Those would be invalid arguments.
You often speak as if the us gov is one mind. Its many peeps and many things. 1 group doesn't define it. For example There are people in it that think all religion should be abolished, that doesn't mean the us gov wants to shut down all churches.
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Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag operation plan that originated within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other operatives to commit genuine acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of the Operation Northwoods plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
Operation Northwoods included proposals for hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/index.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
America is the richest, 'bestest' Nation in the World!
Repeat til convinced
;D ;D ;D
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author=OzmO link=topic=357685.msg5053678#msg5053678 date=1291213839]
And what's the proof that that was its goal all along?
Since the american dollar is pegged to the sale of oil it is imperative that the sale of all oil continue in american dollars else america dollars which have no gold backing will collapse. Essentially the OIL is the gold that backs the US dollar. Saddam took the sale of oil off of american dollars (something I am sure you are aware of) and with this he threatened the stability of the dollar. While Iraq did that Iran prepared to do the same with the building of its own stock market...once again america panicked. Threats were made to Saddam to not depart from the american dollar, but when he continued with his goal america lied to its foolish populace about WMD which was justification to attack Iraq and essentially commandeer its oil and therefore save the dollar. The threat being made about Iran is over the same matter...preserving the sale of oil in american dollars. Now with Russia and China dumping the dollar ...COLLAPSE IS IMMINENT. The final proof is in the fact that america went in to Iraq, commandeered the oil an even built a pipeline to Israel for them to share in the profits of il sales. This proves it ill intention form the start.
I also acknowledge what you are trying to get me to see....so maybe you didnt read and understand my post. I said an argument might be that people with in the us government wanted to use a fAlse flag op in 1962 and therefore its possible that in 2001 the same thing is true. However one does not prOve another. Nor does it prove 911 was an inside job. Those would be invalid arguments.
I am not sure why you keep interjecting that 911 was an inside job...that has already been proven. I am not trying to prove that point by referencing the Northwoods document or prove 911 by referencing the Northwoods document. What is proven is america uses the same techniques and LIES as discussed in teh Northwoods documents to justify attacking nations in order to steal resources. Americans techniques is to LIE to the public about imaginary threats coming to it from far away nations, create false terrorism, blame other nations and then attack, set up military bases and then usurp the nation(s) of their resources. Same old game...
You often speak as if the us gov is one mind. Its many peeps and many things. 1 group doesn't define it. For example There are people in it that think all religion should be abolished, that doesn't mean the us gov wants to shut down all churches.
Your government is of ONE MIND. The only time it presents itself as having a "mind problem" is when it is time for it to make decisions that benefit the public at large...then all of a sudden there is absolute confusion as everyone can't seem to make up their mind. As it stand right now they are of one mind in regards to Assange, on Iran, on war etc etc. Why is it they are of one mind on one matter and opposing minds on others? It is all a front Ozzy...smoke and mirrors... a game you have sadly fallen for.
BTW you don't think the american govt doesn't want to shut down all religious beliefs. It started with removing IN GOD WE TRUST from court rooms, then prayer from schools, then Christmas trees, then crucifixes, then the name JESUS from all written documents etc etc. It is called GRADUALISM...slowly piece by piece something is taken away until it exist no more.
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A beneficial circumstance or POV doesn't prove motive
A 911 CT has never been comclusinvely proven.
Similar to the first principle outcomes don't prove conjecture.
I think you should start applying a more scientific approach to your research.
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A beneficial circumstance or POV doesn't prove motive
A 911 CT has never been comclusinvely proven.
Similar to the first principle outcomes don't prove conjecture.
I think you should start applying a more scientific approach to your research.
Are you drinking?... It is amazing how a person under the influence believes they are smart(er) than when they are not and clearly this post of yours proves that. 911 is not even a part of my discussion in this thread, but you are mind locked on it to make it an issue on a matter is does not even apply to. Try sticking to the issue of JUSTIFICATION and everything will become clear...no science needed..just common sense.
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Are you drinking?... It is amazing how a person under the influence believes they are smart(er) than when they are not and clearly this post of yours proves that. 911 is not even a part of my discussion in this thread, but you are mind locked on it to make it an issue on a matter is does not even apply to. Try sticking to the issue of JUSTIFICATION and everything will become clear...no science needed..just common sense.
911 is not part of your discussion? Hahahahaahahah
You keep bringing it up and I keep having to tell you it's not relevant. And then this last time you asserted it was a proven CT ::). Sorry I had to set you straight. Its not proven.
And now you are up to your common M.O. of deflect and distract. I am not seeing very much evidence of your ability to discuss and debate without ad hom, (which you have curtailed with me somewhat) or the tactic of red herrings,invalid arguments etc.
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911 is not part of your discussion? Hahahahaahahah
You keep bringing it up and I keep having to tell you it's not relevant. And then this last time you asserted it was a proven CT ::). Sorry I had to set you straight. Its not proven.
And now you are up to your common M.O. of deflect and distract. I am not seeing very much evidence of your ability to discuss and debate without ad hom, (which you have curtailed with me somewhat) or the tactic of red herrings,invalid arguments etc.
Maybe you are trying to be funny but coming across as stupid. You are the one desperately trying to tie 911 into this conversation on JUSTIFICATION...maybe that word is just to hard fro you to understand....and therefore pulls to the forefront your INABILITY to keep on the topic. Reread the entire thread and start again. M.O and redirect are 333s techniques...I am not him. Your M.O. is to pretend not to understand and then jump to the opposing side when convenient...you're a funny but strange guy. Again Re-read the entire thread ....
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Maybe you are trying to be funny but coming across as stupid. You are the one desperately trying to tie 911 into this conversation on JUSTIFICATION...maybe that word is just to hard fro you to understand....and therefore pulls to the forefront your INABILITY to keep on the topic. Reread the entire thread and start again. M.O and redirect are 333s techniques...I am not him. Your M.O. is to pretend not to understand and then jump to the opposing side when convenient...you're a funny but strange guy. Again Re-read the entire thread ....
Bro - if you aregoing to attack me- at least give me notice by pm. I simply said evidence of one CT is not evidence of another.
You disagree with that?
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Maybe you are trying to be funny but coming across as stupid. You are the one desperately trying to tie 911 into this conversation on JUSTIFICATION...maybe that word is just to hard fro you to understand....and therefore pulls to the forefront your INABILITY to keep on the topic. Reread the entire thread and start again. M.O and redirect are 333s techniques...I am not him. Your M.O. is to pretend not to understand and then jump to the opposing side when convenient...you're a funny but strange guy. Again Re-read the entire thread ....
I wasn't the one who brought 911 into this conversation. YOU, Go bAck and re-read the thread. And yes, those are YOUR methods.
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I will make it easy for you, go back and read the 6th post to this thread.
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Its a good story.... but i don't see what his has to do with 9/11 or anything else.
So there's people in the government/military in the 60's that wanted to start a war using a false flag operation. Am i missing anything?
Here's my response to it
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Yes...somehow you are missing that in 2001 a FALSE FLAG was perpetrated that led america to attack INNOCENT Iraq and Afghanistan so it could steal its natural resources: Oil, Gas, Copper, Opium/Heroin and Gold...not to mention the strategic location
Here is your response to my response.........essenti ally insinuating 911 is true and I missed that "fact".
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Here Is where you trying to tie the 2 together. All I've been saying is that one doesn't prove another.
Your logic is not logic at all, but something you concocted to justify your belief.
The fact that in 1962 the american government would sit down and write out a scenario of attacking an innocent nation based upon not only on lies it would tell about a nation, but that it would also stage the explosion of a commercial jet liner, stage a fake invasion attack in Florida etc etc and blame it on Cuba. This is the same thing that was done on 911. Staged airliner attacks, controlled demolition of towers, WTC 7 & the Pentagon as well as a FAKE plane crash in Shakesville (no airplane parts) as justification for the wars you see happening in Iraq and Afghanistan today...and all of this supposedly to capture a 6' 5" man dressed in white robes, who is a CIA operative by the name of Tim Osman (Osama Bin Laden) who is hooked to a dialysis machine and supposedly a terrorist.
Yeah you're right Ozzy there is no comparison
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Bro - if you aregoing to attack me- at least give me notice by pm. I simply said evidence of one CT is not evidence of another.
You disagree with that?
Here is 333 making the same exact point.
So what part of all this don't you understand?