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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The True Adonis on August 31, 2011, 09:07:23 PM
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Why? Is there something about Steroids that causes pain that these weaklings can`t deal with?
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I also like how Naturals Pwn the fuck out of Roiders when it comes to levels of lean-ness. All a Natural has to do is drink a lot of water whereas Roiders have to consume cocktails of who knows what to get rid of water and then deprive themselves of water and end up not even close to being ripped like a Lifetime Natural.
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it's an ifbb thingy nothing to see here move along.
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I assume they have no objection to using a drug for any reason as they are already massively drugged up and more drugs would not really cause a moral dilema.
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I would assume natural or not that everyone has a different threshold for pain. So to put people into categories or boxes and say "hormone users = x and non-users =y" may not apply. For example, I get sinus headaches that often turn into bad migraines. I got checked out by my MD to make sure nothing was wrong. My doctor wanted to prescribe narcotic painkillers. I choose to say no because I know that narcotics are not good for you for several reasons that I won't bother to list. The doc was shocked and said, "what will you do?". I told him "the same thing before I came in for a check up." Let it hurt, take some aspirin, use hot damp rags on my face and wait for it to go away. But my pain threshold might be different compared to someone else.
Another example, at my chiropractors office they use electronic stimulation for people with irritated muscles. Some folks can barely handle a low setting and others can max out the machine. My idea is that a pain threshold is just a independent personal thing. So the choice to alleviate that pain is probably also a personal thing relative to the threshold of the individual. But... I dunno... I"m no doctor so it is just my silly idea.
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I would assume natural or not that everyone has a different threshold for pain. So to put people into categories or boxes and say "hormone users = x and non-users =y" may not apply. For example, I get sinus headaches that often turn into bad migraines. I got checked out by my MD to make sure nothing was wrong. My doctor wanted to prescribe narcotic painkillers. I choose to say no because I know that narcotics are not good for you for several reasons that I won't bother to list. The doc was shocked and said, "what will you do?". I told him "the same thing before I came in for a check up." Let it hurt, take some aspirin, use hot damp rags on my face and wait for it to go away. But my pain threshold might be different compared to someone else.
Another example, at my chiropractors office they use electronic stimulation for people with irritated muscles. Some folks can barely handle a low setting and others can max out the machine. My idea is that a pain threshold is just a independent personal thing. So the choice to alleviate that pain is probably also a personal thing relative to the threshold of the individual. But... I dunno... I"m no doctor so it is just my silly idea.
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Why do you go to a chiropractor?
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You lost to whateva! He crushed you! you thought you had it won but this little ripped asian guy stole the cake from you. Just think you could of won some of vince goodrums bee pollen!
BTW- did you ever got over the aftermath? I heard you were on antidepressants for months!
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You lost to whateva! He crushed you! you thought you had it won but this little ripped asiaan guy stole the cake from you. Just think you coiuld of won some of vince goodrums bee pollen!
BTW- did you ever got over the aftermath? I heard you were on antidepressants for months!
You heard incorrectly. I am glad that I lost to probably one of the greatest Lifetime PRO Natural Bodybuilders of all time. A few judges had me winning even which was shocking to me to be honest with you.
Furthermore, Whateva literally PWNS you and you are nothing more than a walking Syringe in a gym.
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Is there a link to pain and Steroids?
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Is there a link to pain and Steroids?
only if injected into penis.
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Adonis, why the constant rhetoric? Do you really feel superior to other people? You were born and you will leave this tiny coincidence of a world the same way everyone else does, ALONE. Judgement is so petty, why waste what little time you have constantly passing it?
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only if injected into penis.
hahhahhahhaha
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Adonis, why the constant rhetoric? Do you really feel superior to other people? You were born and you will leave this tiny coincidence of a world the same way everyone else does, ALONE. Judgement is so petty, why waste what little time you have constantly passing it?
If everyone walked around with the same opinion or had no opinion the world would cease to be a meaningful place or even be the slight bit interesting. Furthermore, no progress in any direction would ever be made.
Your line of thinking is quite irrational and serves no purpose.
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If everyone walked around with the same opinion or had no opinion the world would cease to be a meaningful place or even be the slight bit interesting. Furthermore, no progress in any direction would ever be made.
Your line of thinking is quite irrational and serves no purpose.
You can actually take your line of thinking and link that to the current REGRESSION the world is currently in. What you fail to realize is that my opinion, your opinion and meaningful places do not matter. Bide your time wisely and save your judgement for someone you actually know. With all your witty banter, you fail to judge the one person you are actually qualified to judge.
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No clue if there is a link to steroids and painkillers. I would guess that there is no link and it has more to do with the persons individual preferences, personality, etc. After all why do some people go out and drink a crap ton of alcohol and wake up with a hang over? Beats me! That whole idea sure doesn't sound like fun to me being sick the next day. But that is their choice, personality, preference, and so forth.
I went to see a chiropractor after a car accident and as a result of the regular MD's response. I had bad pain in my left hip area. I went to the MD first and he wanted to prescribe narcotics (Vicodin I think) to ease the pain. I felt this was a band-aid and not a cure. Something had to cause the pain so what was that cause? The MD didn't want to run any further tests so I went to a chiropractor. Mostly at the urging of my wife, because I thought those guys would be weird and probably a bunch of quacks. (knew nothing about it at the time).
After some x-rays at the chiropractor it turned my hips was jarred off center by enough (maybe 5+ cm) and my spine was tweaked enough (looked all crooked) and that made the muscles tense up. Mostly this caused bad charlie horse type cramps because until the bones were set strait the muscles cramp up to try and compensate. Once adjusted a nice warm sensation went down the leg and spine. I had to repeat adjustments for a while until the muscles would relax and hold in place.
Now days I go back every 2-3 weeks and the chiropractor keeps me lined up. Sort of like brushing your teeth to prevent cavities. It is more of a general health prevention to keep alignment correct. Seems to work well so far.
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No not a link between steroids and pain killers just the moral boundaries of drug taking are already surpassed.
Never understood why some high level bbers use pain killers...
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No clue if there is a link to steroids and painkillers. I would guess that there is no link and it has more to do with the persons individual preferences, personality, etc. After all why do some people go out and drink a crap ton of alcohol and wake up with a hang over? Beats me! That whole idea sure doesn't sound like fun to me being sick the next day. But that is their choice, personality, preference, and so forth.
I went to see a chiropractor after a car accident and as a result of the regular MD's response. I had bad pain in my left hip area. I went to the MD first and he wanted to prescribe narcotics (Vicodin I think) to ease the pain. I felt this was a band-aid and not a cure. Something had to cause the pain so what was that cause? The MD didn't want to run any further tests so I went to a chiropractor. Mostly at the urging of my wife, because I thought those guys would be weird and probably a bunch of quacks. (knew nothing about it at the time).
After some x-rays at the chiropractor it turned my hips was jarred off center by enough (maybe 5+ cm) and my spine was tweaked enough (looked all crooked) and that made the muscles tense up. Mostly this caused bad charlie horse type cramps because until the bones were set strait the muscles cramp up to try and compensate. Once adjusted a nice warm sensation went down the leg and spine. I had to repeat adjustments for a while until the muscles would relax and hold in place.
Now days I go back every 2-3 weeks and the chiropractor keeps me lined up. Sort of like brushing your teeth to prevent cavities. It is more of a general health prevention to keep alignment correct. Seems to work well so far.
Sorry about your car accident and am glad to hear you are doing a lot better my friend.
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Its a trend.
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You heard incorrectly. I am glad that I lost to probably one of the greatest Lifetime PRO Natural Bodybuilders of all time. A few judges had me winning even which was shocking to me to be honest with you.
Furthermore, Whateva literally PWNS you and you are nothing more than a walking Syringe in a gym.
Take a glass put it under my arm take a safety pin hit stick me with it and you got yourself a cup full of the best juice you ever drank!
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Sorry about your car accident and am glad to hear you are doing a lot better my friend.
Thanks! I am doing better now days. I just have to be a little careful because one of the lower disks was slightly damaged. (around L5 I think). So I have to make adjustments to things like using a leg press instead of squats to help remove that vertical spinal compression. So far it works ok :)
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Why? Is there something about Steroids that causes pain that these weaklings can`t deal with?
High doses of Roids --> Heavy weights.
Heavy weights --> Aching joints.
Got it?
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TA are you serious? HAHAHAHAH what a dumb question, but I will explain for you because you are a natural and would not know...
Have you ever trained on high doses of AAS and GH??? The pumps you will feel in your muscles at times become PAINFUL! The stiffness in your hands and the carpel tunnel that rips through your forearms from gripping heavier weight on GH is PAINFUL! The weight that guys on juice can lift compared to naturals kills your joints which is PAINFUL! Muscle fibers being constantly broken down and then growing significantly at a faster rate is PAINFUL! Certain AAS such as winstrol and masteron dry your joints out even further which is PAINFUL!
I have experienced all these pains and have not succumb to anymore than a couple of Aleve for relief, but with the doses that pro's use, I can only imagine that they'd be reaching for something!
Oh and what is that BS about naturals getting leaner? No natural has ever come close to being lean like this...
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It's just because painkillers sound innocent compared to roids.
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This "I'm Natural Pride" thing is really comical to me... Set your goals and act accordingly. If you want to look like a top bodybuilder, you need drugs, PERIOD. Don't hate on the people who are willing to go that route to achieve their goals. If your goal is to just max out your physique and happily be 5'10", 180 @ 6-7% then good for you and congratulations on reaching your natural goal. I trained naturally for many years, but the bottom line is: training, eating, sleeping, and just plain living your life while on gear, is different than it is without.
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Oh and what is that BS about naturals getting leaner? No natural has ever come close to being lean like this...
(http://www.naturalbodybuildingcompetitionforum.com/images%20nbcf/dave%20goodin%204.jpg)
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Are you implying that there is a legit use for PK's?
The simple answer lies in the fact that if you don't have problem shoving a needle in your ass everyday, why should you have a problem shoving anything else (whether it be in your ass, down your throat, whatever) ~ here today, gone tomorrow.
As long as everything feels O.K today, it must be O.K., then, right?
Bodybuilders as a whole (hole?) are showing more and more selfish stupidity every day. It's too bad they can't be monitored guinea pigs, b/c they are the only ones willing to do the things that the general population does not. Doctors and Scientists could stand to learn quite a lot from them, if they could just monitor how the internal organs and the human psyche respond to such excessive behaviour and disregard.
It's all about the muscle... and it isn't even permanent. Hell of an investment.
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(http://www.naturalbodybuildingcompetitionforum.com/images%20nbcf/dave%20goodin%204.jpg)
As I said, no natural has ever come close ;D
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Are you implying that there is a legit use for PK's?
The simple answer lies in the fact that if you don't have problem shoving a needle in your ass everyday, why should you have a problem shoving anything else (whether it be in your ass, down your throat, whatever) ~ here today, gone tomorrow.
As long as everything feels O.K today, it must be O.K., then, right?
Bodybuilders as a whole (hole?) are showing more and more selfish stupidity every day. It's too bad they can't be monitored guinea pigs, b/c they are the only ones willing to do the things that the general population does not. Doctors and Scientists could stand to learn quite a lot from them, if they could just monitor how the internal organs and the human psyche respond to such excessive behaviour and disregard.
It's all about the muscle... and it isn't even permanent. Hell of an investment.
Bodybuilders are a twisted group for sure and you are probably right about the benefits that can be learned from studying them... interesting that they don't do that especially with how heavily the USA places an emphasis on the "dangers of steroid use."
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How else are you going to recover from a 3 plate a side hammer press and 50lb cable cross over workout, followed by a 30 min treadmill session at a 2.5 incline at 3.0 mph?
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They just seem to go together well. Guys who have connections to getting aas will run into guys who are selling strong pain killers. It only takes a couple of times experimenting with pain killers for some guys to fall in love with them. I remember taking some really strong dbol and the test I had must of been dirty. I had really bad back pumps from the dbol and I was swollen had a slight fever from the dirty test. A couple percocet later and I felt like a million bucks and I had extra energy to train in the gym. Pain killers give you a high and they give you energy.
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They just seem to go together well. Guys who have connections to getting aas will run into guys who are selling strong pain killers. It only takes a couple of times experimenting with pain killers for some guys to fall in love with them. I remember taking some really strong dbol and the test I had must of been dirty. I had really bad back pumps from the dbol and I was swollen had a slight fever from the dirty test. A couple percocet later and I felt like a million bucks and I had extra energy to train in the gym. Pain killers give you a high and they give you energy.
To a certain extent they give you energy...
However, after a point they just take away your motivation.
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there's a gay sex joke in here somewhere.
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As I said, no natural has ever come close ;D
Pretty damn close to me. ;)
Shawn Ray was not as shredded as someone like Andreas Munzer in the pic you posted.
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Pretty damn close to me. ;)
Shawn Ray was not as shredded as someone like Andreas Munzer in the pic you posted.
Maybe not, bbbbuuuutttt Andreas Munzer was a major steroid user so of course he could be leaner. Natural, no one can.
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Roiders don`t hold a candle to the Lifetime Natural when it comes to getting seriously ripped.
(http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/24/ec1fc6677b4ae84fccba35a3eab1286d/l.jpg)
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(http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/71/c2fd4fa86712ffc0640806910f8f82a2/l.jpg)
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I don't use steroids but if I had to guess as to the question posed in this thread....
Steroid users are probably lifting a lot heavier weights than naturals. I'm sure there is wear and tear on joints/ tendons/ bones that surpasses what they were 'made' for.
I would imagine this results in injury eventually.
Another good point has already been made about not having moral scruples about drug usage.
And let's face it, if you're pumping your body full of drugs, you probably aren't too concerned with your long term health. Not hating here, I mean that's your decision in life, but still, steroid users just aren't thinking long term by and large. What's a couple more pills per day when you said fuck it to your kidneys and liver long ago?
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Roiders don`t hold a candle to the Lifetime Natural when it comes to getting seriously ripped.
(http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/24/ec1fc6677b4ae84fccba35a3eab1286d/l.jpg)
This is a natural?
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(http://www.brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/Model%20Pics/08Pic7.jpg)
(http://www.brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/Model%20Pics/08Pic6.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=117428.0;attach=133325;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=117428.0;attach=133326;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=117428.0;attach=133327;image)
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This is a natural?
Yep. 100 percent Lifetime Natural. Naturals ALWAYS have the ability to get more shredded than ROIDERS just by drinking a lot of water once all of the fat is gone.
(http://www.biolayne.com/images/testimonials/Alberto_MM.JPG)
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(http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/1/efaea9d081bc47aaf7aacf083d37959b/l.jpg)
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"roiders" lift heavy weights and sustain injury, naturals do not have the ability to push their bodies to the point where pain is achieved
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Hold on who says that only juicers use painkillers you dumb fuck? Your generalizing from what? Tom prince a few others having problems cos they took them alot? ??? Explain then you might get decent answers...
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(http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/54/0ae1a35172e1fefce56a40946f3bd384/l.jpg)
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I don't agree that all of these pics are naturals.
No way.
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I don't agree that all of these pics are naturals.
No way.
You don`t have any choice to disagree. They are in fact Lifetime Naturals. Sorry. Its an established fact that Roiders cannot get near as lean as Lifetime Naturals, I thought everyone already knew this.
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I just don't agree that they're all naturals.
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(http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/117/c58b5d9b26fffdaa2e8a7d7e941f92be/l.jpg)
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I just don't agree that they're all naturals.
You don`t have that luxury to disagree since they are 100 percent Lifetime Naturals.
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I can disagree at any time I like. I'm doing it now.
Did you follow them around twenty four hours a day, even before your birth?
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I can disagree at any time I like. I'm doing it now.
Did you follow them around twenty four hours a day, even before your birth?
Disagree all you want, it won`t change the truth. Roiders cannot compare to Lifetime Naturals in my opinion. I prefer the much smaller and much leaner physique than the Bloof Ball drug induced, drug dependent look.
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Lifetime Natural for the win. No Cutting Water, No Sodium manipulation.
(http://a1.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/54/0ae1a35172e1fefce56a40946f3bd384/l.jpg)
(http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/4/652028dc5e96128ead091400734439c2/l.jpg)
(http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/104/95d556f5ac5c5288ad615cb161c2fd6c/l.jpg)
Look at that guys face, hes not natural, sorry to burst your bubble
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Oh and the gyno , man your dumb
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Look at that guys face, hes not natural, sorry to burst your bubble
Sorry, you are dead wrong. Explain away your inadequacies all you want, the fact remains he is a Lifetime Natural just as all of the others I posted.
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How do you know its a fact? Because he said so?
C'mon.......
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Oh and the gyno , man your dumb
Yup, appears to be a small amount in the pic i see. Could have happened during puberty, but I doubt it.
Anway that being said, steroid users use more painkillers because most of them have addictive personalities already. 9/10 in my experience have or did have a drug/alcohol problem at one time or another. I never touch alcohol nor have I ever so much as touched a rec drug at any time. I don't even know what pot smells like. I avoid taking vicodine as one pill makes me feel like crap and I have no idea how someone could get addicted to that shit. However this is for sure not the case with almost all others.
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Diuretics exactly the same as roiders and abused on the same level
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How do you know its a fact? Because he said so?
C'mon.......
Roiders can`t compare to Lifetime Naturals when it comes to leaning out. As I said, as a Lifetime Natural you don`t need to mess with any sodium nonsense or limiting water or any of that bullshit.
The druggies just make it difficult for themselves and end up a water logged bloofy mess on the verge of death.
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Diuretics exactly the same as roiders and abused on the same level
Nope. Lifetime Naturals have the advantage of not having to resort to such stupid measures as that.
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They just seem to go together well. Guys who have connections to getting aas will run into guys who are selling strong pain killers. It only takes a couple of times experimenting with pain killers for some guys to fall in love with them. I remember taking some really strong dbol and the test I had must of been dirty. I had really bad back pumps from the dbol and I was swollen had a slight fever from the dirty test. A couple percocet later and I felt like a million bucks and I had extra energy to train in the gym. Pain killers give you a high and they give you energy.
In the beginning... then they turn on you. Kill ambition. Kill appetite. Stop lifting and start trippin' instead.
Then, once your kidneys can't take the pain and you start developing an ulcer, you want to stop, but can't, unless you are one of the fortunate one's who can handle "cold turkey" ~ because, that truly is the only way to stop.
Everything is just peachy in the beginning. Sex, juicing, partying, everything....but sooner or later, the fun you once thought you were having becomes an incessant nightmare.
Don't even ask how I know, unless you are stupid.
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Roiders can`t compare to Lifetime Naturals when it comes to leaning out. As I said, as a Lifetime Natural you don`t need to mess with any sodium nonsense or limiting water or any of that bullshit.
The druggies just make it difficult for themselves and end up a water logged bloofy mess on the verge of death.
I agree with that part actually. What I meant was, how do you know its a fact he is a lifetime natural?
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You can't push water out of your skin without Diuretics to this degree from diet you clown. How many starving people do you see this shredded? Wake up
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You can't push water out of your skin without Diuretics to this degree from diet you clown. How many starving people do you see this shredded? Wake up
Starving people are not people with muscle or the ability to eat everyday. Starving people usually are pretty fat with no muscle. How about you wake up and learn something about Lifetime Naturals for once.
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You can't push water out of your skin without Diuretics to this degree from diet you clown. How many starving people do you see this shredded? Wake up
real good point :)
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I agree with that part actually. What I meant was, how do you know its a fact he is a lifetime natural?
Its pretty obvious, especially if you follow their blogs, training and posts on various websites as well as their competition histories. There are no dramatic changes at all really and most are in the 150-170 range.
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real good point :)
Starving people are not people with muscle or the ability to eat everyday. Starving people usually are pretty fat with no muscle. How about you wake up and learn something about Lifetime Naturals for once.
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You only have to type natural bodybuilder.and Diuretics into Google and bodybuilding.com comes up a ton of times with the competitors.telling you what Diuretics they use. Stop with the bullshit all the time.
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Disagree all you want, it won`t change the truth. Roiders cannot compare to Lifetime Naturals in my opinion. I prefer the much smaller and much leaner physique than the Bloof Ball drug induced, drug dependent look.
I'm not disagreeing with your premise. I'm disagreeing to the natural status of these guys.
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You only have to type natural bodybuilder.and Diuretics into Google and bodybuilding.com comes up a ton of times with the competitors.telling you what Diuretics they use. Stop with the bullshit all the time.
I just typed in Obama Reptilian in the search bar. Does this mean Obama really is a Reptilian? ???
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Its pretty obvious, especially if you follow their blogs, training and posts on various websites as well as their competition histories. There are no dramatic changes at all really and most are in the 150-170 range.
It doesn't make it a fact though. However, I agree that most of the guys from the pics you posted are natural, with the exception of maybe the last one.
I am like you, in the sense that I have no knowledge about drugs, but from the little I know from basically reading, not all of them are meant to make someone gain an impressive amount of muscle size. Some are used just to dry out, for example AI's are used for this purpose and aren't picked up at natural competition drug tests.
Something to ponder on, anybody could be using or could have used something...even to achieve a 'look' that could be arguably achievable naturally.
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They usually run hrt doses of test, growth, insulin and Diuretics. I've heard all the bs a million times from the life time natural in the gym. Then when I'm buying gear off them years later its " I had to take deca for my joints and I took hgh as part of scientific research'.100% true excuses I've been told
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I love how TA's response to calling guys in those pictures not natural is to simply say they are lifetime naturals because I said so. HAHAHAHA. Like a parent trying to talk to an uneducated child. It has been said many many many times my friend, this is the THUNDERDOME!!!!! Don't bring that BS in here.
I like how you didn't argue about the pain killers and why naturals wouldn't need them as much. However, be realistic, and don't try and post pictures claiming natural without any base to it. Maybe they are gh15 "naturals" (IE. Some orals, occasional small cycle, diuretics, and other minor stuff), but true lifetime naturals... nuh uh buddy, sorry. Not fooling anyone.
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Disagree all you want, it won`t change the truth. Roiders cannot compare to Lifetime Naturals in my opinion. I prefer the much smaller and much leaner physique than the Bloof Ball drug induced, drug dependent look.
your opinion is now "the truth"? Jesus, if you were any more full of yourself, your pussy would explode.
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Sorry, you are dead wrong. Explain away your inadequacies all you want, the fact remains he is a Lifetime Natural just as all of the others I posted.
I've discussed this liar before. This guy came in competing a while ago with some of the worst bitch tits I've ever seen. His explanation? Some type of tumor in the middle of his chest, where the surgeons had to go through the areola to operate, which left the nipple area swollen. How does that explanation sound? That's right, a goddamn lie.
Disgusting liar.
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I've discussed this liar before. This guy came in competing a while ago with some of the worst bitch tits I've ever seen. His explanation? Some type of tumor in the middle of his chest, where the surgeons had to go through the areola to operate, which left the nipple area swollen. How does that explanation sound? That's right, a goddamn lie.
Disgusting liar.
Link please.
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I personally think a lean, healthy physique is preferable to a roided out or naturally shredded physique. Striations and vascularity covering every square inch of a person's body doesn't appeal to me. Neither does enormous musculature that can't possibly be attained without chemicals....both are for the freakshow. A John Cena type level of size and conditioning is what I prefer. Is it drug free? Don't know, but it's not over the top.
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Link please.
http://monkeyisland.lylemcdonald.com/showthread.php?t=41344&page=8
As far as all the gyno accusations, believe me, it's not like I don't understand why people would draw their own conclusions in that manner. First off and foremost, I don't take offense to it, and I don't take it personal. In all actuality, I take it as a compliment. It's been my number one goal ever since I started this journey in natural bodybuilding to have a physique on a level that people constantly question my natural status. So for all the "haters" and accusers who think they have a clue, I sincerely appreicate it! It's not going to matter how many drug tests I pass, or what kind of explanation I give, people will formulate their own opinions based on their own biases and insecurities anyway. As long as the people who I love and respect that are close to me know the truth, that's all that matters to me - not the internet tough guys lol. The fact is, as much as I tried to keep my journal positive throughout the entire prep with a positive attitude, I had a long list of challenges and obstacles to overcome...the biggest of which were my small tumors that had to be removed from my chest cavity. I ended up doing 3 minor surgeries, all during my 23 week prep, with the latest surgery being 6 weeks out from the NPC show - which was done to try and remove the massive amount of scar tissue that had accumulated from the other two surgeries. I had the option, because of where my tumors were sitting, to go in through the nipple area and as a result, would leave the least amount of visible scarring on the surface, since bodybuilding is an endeavor I plan on doing for a long time. That was the route I chose to go. Unfortunately, I ended up with a ton of scar tissue and swelling in that area, which was way worse than what you see in my show day pics. I was getting deep tissue massage therapy every other day to reduce the swelling, and although it made a big difference and dramatically reduced it, it still wasn't enough come show day to have it completely be gone. Even sitting here now, I have continued to work on it and it is now almost non-existant...probably another month of deep tissue and it will be completely gone. So, to all those who like to assume and apparently know me and all the things I went through that accuse me of gyno and steroid use, first off thank you Second, I must have been on the crappiest steroids ever created since I took a 2.5 year off season and ended up 6lbs lighter on stage. Wow, tons of muscle gained there! Not to mention that I must have the ONLY gyno in the world that suddenly disappears with consistent deep tissue massage. On top of that, it just so happens that the areas of the body that have an abundance of androgen receptors (i.e. chest and traps) which allow for exponential growth during a cycle are the muscle groups that are relatively my smallest and weakest areas! And I also must have workout partners that lie and make up conversations they've had with my doctors about the procedures I had to go through with my tumor removal while they were there at the hospital with me. Either way, that is what I had to go through during my prep this year - which made the outcome all that much more special to me! People will think and assume what they want, but the people who matter to me all know the truth, and that's all that matters. This explanation is for those that follow me online, who don't know me personally, and just want to hear the truth.+
They were primary chest tumors that originated from my muscle - they had no exact explanation as to how I got them, but they did offer a few reasons as to what might have caused them. I had gone to my local doctor because I had a sharp re-occuring pain from breathing and just wanted to get checked out. After a quick X-ray, they saw a some small masses and an MRI later and I was referred to an oncologist. They were able to get a biopsy from one of the masses and confirm it was benign, so I was able to get them surgically removed.
I told them that visible scarring was a big priority for me because of my hobby and the upcoming shows I had planned to do. They offered to go in through the nipple area that way the scars wouldn't be noticeable to the naked eye unless you were actually looking for them. So, for the first surgery, they were able to get most of the small masses out. Because of the way one was sitting, I had to come in a 2nd time and they went in from the side under the arm-pit to remove it.
Believe me, had I already had gyno, that would most definitely had been priority number one to get removed while I was already getting these surgeries.
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The last thing I used that was in that same ball-park was 1-Test and 4-AD - both topicals from Avant Labs back in 2003ish I believe, and then I bought a bottle of M1T when it first came out around 2004ish - that was out of ignorance not realizing what those compounds actually were as I was under the impression back then that because it was OTC, it was OK (like a lot of people at that time). Now, I always thought those were technically pro-hormones, but I have been told that they also could have been classified as steroids as well because of the chemical nomanclature - which is not my area of expertise.
So, if those compounds are indeed technically steroids and not just pro-hormones, then yes - I have technically taken steroids before. I have never lied about anything I have ever taken...including DNP. I ran DNP back in 2004 for a good 6 weeks or so. Even though DNP is technically a chemical, it's also not something I would say is "natural". Furthermore, I've never claimed to be a life-long natural because of those choices I have made in my past. Since then, I have been completely clean of any pro-hormones, pro-steroids, etc. and have always competed within the rules of any organization I have done a show in. I most definitely consider myself a natural bodybuilder presently and from this point always will.
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ha ha, that last post of his is precious.
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Link please.
well, that lifetime natural of yours seems to be natural for the last couple years only. DNP, ha ha.
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well, that lifetime natural of yours seems to be natural for the last couple years only. DNP, ha ha.
As he says, not even his workout partners believe his pathetic explanation for the gyno.
This guy is on some serious drugs. Even for a no-limit juicer he looks very good IMO, and the look is unmistakably DRUGGED.
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How else are they gonna destroy their livers? Steroids ain't gonna do it alone.
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Haha, never knew that guy had admitted to DNP. Awesome.
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The fact that Layne Norton trained this guy makes me sick... :-X One liar after another huh? ::) Pathetic. I will never understand this "friendly lying american" ability........
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http://monkeyisland.lylemcdonald.com/showthread.php?t=41344&page=8
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Sorry, but I can`t see who you are talking about. Can you post a picture from that site here.
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well, that lifetime natural of yours seems to be natural for the last couple years only. DNP, ha ha.
I have no clue who he is talking about. The post is useless without a photo to go with it. He could be talking to anybody.
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Pics
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Pics 2
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Pics
Who is this?
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Starving people are not people with muscle or the ability to eat everyday. Starving people usually are pretty fat with no muscle. How about you wake up and learn something about Lifetime Naturals for once.
much like yourself, eh stud?
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Some photos from in NY from a show I did in 2009.
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Your a smart guy Adam...however just think about it.chemicals make one stronger and put more stress on tendons,joints and muscles.after years of using being bigger and stronger than nature intended can hurt.i use a bit and can see the draw for pain pills.i think its as simple as that.
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Sorry, but I can`t see who you are talking about. Can you post a picture from that site here.
Gyno exhibit
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs025.snc4/33606_156850377683082_100000743616272_331483_2022228_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs151.ash2/40913_156850147683105_100000743616272_331477_3378282_n.jpg)
It's Tommy Jeffers. Posting under "Sporto".
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poster here? We've seen him puffed up on androgens and we've seen him dieted down at bf levels only attainable for a person of his genetic level on decent doses of tren, masteron, clen and t3 and yet he still flaps his manpleaser talking down on hormone users. Why?
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He's got nothing better to do.
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poster here? We've seen him puffed up on androgens and we've seen him dieted down at bf levels only attainable for a person of his genetic level on decent doses of tren, masteron, clen and t3 and yet he still flaps his manpleaser talking down on hormone users. Why?
I am glad you feel that way about yours truly. But guess what? I have never used a thing in my life. Thanks for the compliments though, it means I am doing something correctly.
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Maybe his mom has a getbig accont and he's afraid she might be mad at him when she finds out he juices?
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Maybe his mom has a getbig accont and he's afraid she might be mad at him when she finds out he juices?
No. She is dead. Have you not been paying attention. ;)
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No. She is dead. Have you not been paying attention. ;)
Sorry that i'm not on the boards 24/7 and searching other members post history. ::) ::)
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I am glad you feel that way about yours truly. But guess what? I have never used a thing in my life. Thanks for the compliments though, it means I am doing something correctly.
bullshit. you use a double ended dildo on yourself, with one end in your anus and the other in your vagina.
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Sorry that i'm not on the boards 24/7 and searching other members post history. ::) ::)
You are excused. How is Japan looking these days? Have they cleaned a lot of it up?
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You are excused. How is Japan looking these days? Have they cleaned a lot of it up?
Not really.
Sorry about your mom.
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People with deep seated insecurities and feelings of inadequecy, often behave like TA.
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Gyno exhibit
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs025.snc4/33606_156850377683082_100000743616272_331483_2022228_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs151.ash2/40913_156850147683105_100000743616272_331477_3378282_n.jpg)
It's Tommy Jeffers. Posting under "Sporto".
Natural.....LOLOLOLOLOLO LOLOL.
PS....those guys are all very lean, no doubt. but they TINY TITS. every last one...put them next to a lean 220 pounder and they would disappear.
they all vaporize when viewed from the side...which is the true test of thickness.
PPS....doubt they are all natty.....as we all know Bullshitting is as much part as bodybuilding as squats are
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Natural.....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
PS....those guys are all very lean, no doubt. but they TINY TITS. every last one...put them next to a lean 220 pounder and they would disappear.
they all vaporize when viewed from the side...which is the true test of thickness.
PPS....doubt they are all natty.....as we all know Bullshitting is as much part as bodybuilding as squats are
That guy is a piece of shit in my opinion.
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People with deep seated insecurities and feelings of inadequecy, often behave like TA.
How come I don`t feel inadequate and I am not insecure though?
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that sporto guy is a pathalogical liar
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reads like someone's creatinine levels are once again blurring his thoughts. it takes a certain level of intelligence to understand why and how adonis acts. if you fall for the obvious, you are a very simple minded individual.
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How come I don`t feel inadequate and I am not insecure though?
that river in egypt, da nile......j/k TA u should do some more interviews, that was pure gold
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that river in egypt, da nile......j/k TA u should do some more interviews, that was pure gold
There might be something in the works here shortly.
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that sporto guy is a pathalogical liar
He oughta show his face around these parts. I cannot stand someone like that.