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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: gh15 on January 02, 2011, 05:26:19 PM
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due to pupular demad,,this is gh15 curently approved hgh list as of jan 2 2011,,
this is a no argue list,,checked ,,verified,,confirmed,,next to each gh brand there will be its particular equivelent in ius to american gh iu for iu ,,the list is not in particular order all of the mentioned gh is legit gh approved by gh15 for usage,,the list is both brand names and labeled generics but again ALL LEGIT,,
1. serostim hgh - top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
2. humatrope hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
3. saizen hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
4. kigtropin hgh- top gh ***** 1iu = 1 iu
5. thanktropin hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1iu
6. nd hgh - top gh ***** 1iu = .8iu those are 8iu marked as 10 but still legit gh
the list will expend with more generics ,,this is now what gh15 is willing to confirm and give its stamp of approval due to the bunk operations that fake american eurpian and chinesase gh now days,,
the ones confirmed here are safe buy approved personaly by me,, do not i repeat DO NOT BUY ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL GH15 PERSONALY CONFIRM AND APPROVE IT ON THIS LIST,, THE LIST WILL EXPAND AS PROMISED ON A MONTHLY BASIS ALL THROUGH 2011
gh15 approved
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no on the list = not approved as of now,,meaning it is in process of approval or non approval based on elfs experiementing with it ,,and then when they approve it it gets to me for personal check,,just remember if something get to me for personal check and i find it to be fake,,the source is DONE WITH SOURCING ,,i dont care if someone cheat him or whatever excuse,,when my elfs send me somthing and i check it and i decide its fake ,,,the source is done with business
gh15 approved
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no on the list = not approved as of now,,meaning it is in process of approval or non approval based on elfs experiementing with it ,,and then when they approve it it gets to me for personal check,,just remember if something get to me for personal check and i find it to be fake,,the source is DONE WITH SOURCING ,,i dont care if someone cheat him or whatever excuse,,when my elfs send me somthing and i check it and i decide its fake ,,,the source is done with business
gh15 approved
Hahahaahaa
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Testo bologna
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I have been taking the pink top homotropin. Good or no?
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I can get Nutropin AQ. Good or not?
I would be really skeptical of this. Unless it comes in small vials with no label probably not legit. The only way Nutropin was hitting the black market was a guy who's brother worked at Genentech. He was busted a few years ago search max muscle san jose bust guys name was Lance. If these are indeed legit vials they are certainly years old and would have needed to be refridgerated the entire time. Just highly unlikely. It was also really expensive. Better stuff out there.
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every fucking post is HGH, fuck up
GOD OF ANAL INFECTIONS
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I would be really skeptical of this. Unless it comes in small vials with no label probably not legit. The only way Nutropin was hitting the black market was a guy who's brother worked at Genentech. He was busted a few years ago search max muscle san jose bust guys name was Lance. If these are indeed legit vials they are certainly years old and would have needed to be refridgerated the entire time. Just highly unlikely. It was also really expensive. Better stuff out there.
Oh no bro I KNOW it's real LOL! not old FRESH actually and yes refrig'd all the time..
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Oh no bro I KNOW it's real LOL! not old FRESH actually and yes refrig'd all the time..
Interesting. That was THE shit to be on for years in the bay area. Still find it hard to believe but if you have a connect it's one of the best.
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due to pupular demad,,this is gh15 curently approved hgh list as of jan 2 2011,,
this is a no argue list,,checked ,,verified,,confirmed,,next to each gh brand there will be its particular equivelent in ius to american gh iu for iu ,,the list is not in particular order all of the mentioned gh is legit gh approved by gh15 for usage,,the list is both brand names and labeled generics but again ALL LEGIT,,
1. serostim hgh - top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
2. humatrope hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
3. saizen hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
4. kigtropin hgh- top gh ***** 1iu = 1 iu
DOSNT MATTER TO YOU . YOU WILL SHOOT THE WHOLE FUCKI 100IU BOX IN A DAY THATS HOW ITS DONE RIGHT?
5. thanktropin hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1iu
6. nd hgh - top gh ***** 1iu = .8iu those are 8iu marked as 10 but still legit gh
the list will expend with more generics ,,this is now what gh15 is willing to confirm and give its stamp of approval due to the bunk operations that fake american eurpian and chinesase gh now days,,
the ones confirmed here are safe buy approved personaly by me,, do not i repeat DO NOT BUY ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL GH15 PERSONALY CONFIRM AND APPROVE IT ON THIS LIST,, THE LIST WILL EXPAND AS PROMISED ON A MONTHLY BASIS ALL THROUGH 2011
gh15 approved
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I have been taking the pink top homotropin. Good or no?
alex23's favorite brand!!
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alex23's favorite brand!!
For a man who is on serious hormones. A23 sure looks like shit.
I guess he does the hormones, but forgot about the training and proper diet?
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alex23's favorite brand!!
Don't out my source 8)
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Ron talks about supporting bodybuilding and allows this shit to be posted on his board. Congratulations.
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Ron talks about supporting bodybuilding and allows this shit to be posted on his board. Congratulations.
Vince is Back Bitiches!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ron talks about supporting bodybuilding and allows this shit to be posted on his board. Congratulations.
whast shits you fuckin fruit loop ,,i give you here hgh list approved ,,do you know how many beg for it ? do you know how many waste money right and left 1000s of dollaros on hgh and get bunk? they want it ,,they need it ,,they need it like h2o,,remember the majority are quiet they just read and go on their business,,it is important that they see it to save them money and failed experiences!
gh15 approved
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Ron talks about supporting bodybuilding and allows this shit to be posted on his board. Congratulations.
Seriously, what's wrong with someone wanting to take HGH? And how else are we to know what's good or not with all the scamming going on? It takes someone many, many years of experience in the game and getting ripped off to finally figure out what's what. We should be thankful that we have someone who has done the work for us and is saving us time and money, and possibly our health.
Brah, you have blasphemed. You have sinned against our god. Your penance is ten Hail Marys and ten Our Fathers to our god. Fair dinkum?
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Seriously, what's wrong with someone wanting to take HGH? And how else are we to know what's good or not with all the scamming going on? It takes someone many, many years of experience in the game and getting ripped off to finally figure out what's what. We should be thankful that we have someone who has done the work for us and is saving us time and money, and possibly our health.
Brah, you have blasphemed. You have sinned against our god. Your penance is ten Hail Marys and ten Our Fathers to our god. Fair dinkum?
You really honestly would base your decision on what drugs to buy and inject into your body on the words of an anonymous poster on getbig.com? Are you being facetious? I really hope so.
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Seriously, what's wrong with someone wanting to take HGH? And how else are we to know what's good or not with all the scamming going on? It takes someone many, many years of experience in the game and getting ripped off to finally figure out what's what. We should be thankful that we have someone who has done the work for us and is saving us time and money, and possibly our health.
Brah, you have blasphemed. You have sinned against our god. Your penance is ten Hail Marys and ten Our Fathers to our god. Fair dinkum?
Exactly, Basile is senile and living in the bygone era, modern bodybuilding = as much as you can afford HGH, 1960's bodybuilding = as much as you can afford Dianabol
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You think I am going to debate medical matters with anonymous jokers on the internet? No thanks. Knuckleheads are overrunning the internet. They have a voice and it is now a dangerous place.
I get my information from university textbooks and scientific studies, not internet gurus and gods. What a joke.
Pellius had poor information about protein so was using excess for his energy needs and still couldn't gain muscle. Now what? Growth hormone? That is sad to see someone who isn't a dope capitulating like this.
Shake your head, Pellius, before it is too late.
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I have been taking the pink top homotropin. Good or no?
Hahaaahahaa!! ;D
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I have been taking the pink top homotropin. Good or no?
Basile has been on homotropin all his life
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Ron talks about supporting bodybuilding and allows this shit to be posted on his board. Congratulations.
Pro Bodybuilding is GH!
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You really honestly would base your decision on what drugs to buy and inject into your body on the words of an anonymous poster on getbig.com? Are you being facetious? I really hope so.
Anonymous? Are you kidding me? I've read every single one of his 5000+ posts over the course of five years. I know him better than I knew that 60 old Korean man that I sat in the same room and worked and talk with for over 12 years while at Raytheon Missile Systems when I live in Cali. I listen for years to some radio talk show guy whose name wasn't even his real name and never knew what he looked like -- but I knew him. I knew because I listened to him tell me what he believes for year after year. If someone supported Reagan that tells me something. It tells me a lot how someone feels about Israel, the only democratic country in the region that allows Muslims to live, work and serve in politics peaceably, and whose only crime is they want to live in 1/10th of 1% of the land mass in that region, and want to survive as a people because even if they all moved out they still would be targets of death.
When I first read the works of Arthur Jones I thought he was a genius. I still do. The fundamental principles he promoted made so much sense to me. I had no idea what he looked like and what name he called himself was irrelevant to me. Like most here when I first read gh15 I thought he was a crazy person. I read him because he amused me. But as time went on he gained more and more credibility. Why? Because what he says makes sense. A lot of what he says about the bodybuilders you actually knew yourself but never admitted it. Never clarified the thought in your own head. I remember that it was Mike Mentzer who first openly admitted about taking steroids and talked about it in the magazines. He said he took 200mgs of Deca a week and 3 dbols a day. That dose stuck in my head. He didn't have to admit anything but there he was talking about it openly. It never in my wildest imagination ever dawned on me that he would lie.
Who else are we suppose to listen to? Read the boards and hear that this source or this product is gtg but when someone says no they were scammed or ripped off their posts suddenly disappears and you see "banned" under their name. What HGH do you recommend and why? While researching HGH I googled Red Tops and get all these opinions on the boards of people who use them. Overwhelmingly they're positive. I become concern when one "HGH guru" starts bashing them. Says there is no vacuum seal and that means it's cheaply made. Says, riptropins are the ones to get. Then come to find out the guy has an agenda. A vested interest in rips. Maybe gh15 sells Thanks and that's why he promotes them. But now that Kigs has come out he says those are better. So what, he now sells Kigs and to forget about Thanks? For someone like me that doesn't know jack and never heard there was even such a thing as blue tops, black tops, yellow tops, green tops and pink tops what am I supposed to do? Ask a mod at ProMus or Outlaw? LOL! Maybe I'll listen to Lewellyen but his book comes out once a year and things already change by the time it comes out in print.
Every time you pick up a book and read about weight training, what brand of 9mm has the most stopping power, what role did Judaism play in the development of ethical monotheism, dark matter, reptilian hybrids.... who are these people to you? What because they are a professor or a doctor? Professor Singer at Princeton University feels you should kill disabled infants and you should be about to kill, or abort(?) your baby up to 3 months after it is born. He's a professor at a prestigious university and is surely smarter than I am. Should I listen and believe him? Does that make moral sense to me? How is it that Arnold at his peak was 6'2" 235 lbs and was head and tails above the pack and now we have guys 5'10" leaner at 270lbs? Better training and nutrition? Does that make sense?
We all know more or less what kind of person disturbia is. It doesn't matter what his name is or what he looks like. We have a pretty good idea what kind of person True Adonis is. And Coach, and NoWorries, and Salvatore, and Muscle Center, and Kyomo, and Sev, and Parker, and NewMom and, and, and... After you read hundreds, if not thousands, of posts over a period of years you get a bit of a handle of a person. If Ursus says something I'll tend to believe him because he strikes me as an honest, decent person. Anything suckymuscle says I'll view with suspicion. That guy has no credibility with me.
These are not anonymous strangers.
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haha pellius be careful you might own vince into the grave / oblivion.
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You think I am going to debate medical matters with anonymous jokers on the internet? No thanks. Knuckleheads are overrunning the internet. They have a voice and it is now a dangerous place.
I get my information from university textbooks and scientific studies, not internet gurus and gods. What a joke.
Pellius had poor information about protein so was using excess for his energy needs and still couldn't gain muscle. Now what? Growth hormone? That is sad to see someone who isn't a dope capitulating like this.
Shake your head, Pellius, before it is too late.
I've read studies about the benefits of HRT and have experienced it myself. I have read studies on the benefits of HGH and it makes sense to me. I watched a program where one of the definitions of aging is your body losing the ability to repair itself and one of the reasons is drastically reduced HGH production which is the main hormone your body uses to repair and regenerate itself.
You recommend 20-50 grams of protein per day. Where did you come up with that? You believe that a person at any age can still gain muscle and that training will produce sufficient HGH and testosterone to allow this. How do you know this? Where's the study that proves that?
Aging Muscles: 'Hard To Build, Easy To Lose'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090911103807.htm
As Good As It Gets: Octogenarian Muscles Don't Get Stronger With Exercise, Study Finds
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090331091250.htm
Protein Requirements for Athletes
http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/caryn/protein.html
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When I had to go off testosterone even though I continued to train and diet was the same I slowly started losing what little muscle mass I had and started smoothing out. I look at one of my relatives who most resembles me and have very similar builds ever since we were kids and I compare myself to him. He doesn't weight train and is in his forties. He's 6 ft 160 lbs maybe about 15%. Looks skinny in clothes but has a bit of a roll around the belly. I'm a bit over 6'1, 6'1.5" to be exact and using gh15's 7lbs per inch rule that would put me at around 170 lbs 15%. People here like to make fun of me and my bloated belly. True, by bodybuilding and GetBig standards I'm no Salvatore. But in the real world, which to me matters a bit more than GetBig, nobody has ever commented on my bloated belly. They comment on my big ears, the tear on my right calf, how veiny I am, and that I have the kind of face they want to punch. But not my belly. In the real world it's really not that bad for an old, decrepit, grandpa barely clinging to life. And it simply would not be possible without some Watson testosterona. That was proven to me. But I only have one life to live and how I experience life and the things that I do that give it meaning, satisfaction and enjoyment depends a lot of being healthy and in good physical shape. So for me it's worth it. But we all have our cross to bear in life and for me it's my big stomach. Poor me. Life is so cruel and unfair. Why Jesus? Why?
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In the old days we didn't have bodybuilding experts. The guys who got big figured things out and kept that information to themselves. The magazines were written by staff hacks who didn't know much about bodybuilding. Ironman published plenty of authors but few with any credentials that I respected. Occasionally someone would come out of the woodwork with a new theory.
Arthur Jones was a genius. When you read what he wrote it makes sense. He did get results with Sergio so that surprised everyone. I personally think his high intensity training misses the mark. Completely. Volume plus intensity gets the job done. It really is as simple as that. So making sense is not enough. You need to know the correct and complete theory of hypertrophy. It will explain all growth and non-growth from serious training.
If you get old men to train doing plenty of sets with a maximum resistance you will see growth. Well, as long as they have enough nutrients.
You probably need 25 grams of protein a day. If you are not growing muscle maybe even less. That is the reality and has been known for decades.
You keep wondering who to believe. Do I have to point it out? Believe absolutely no one re bodybuilding. Study exercise science and nutrition so that you will be able to separate the kernels of knowledge from the crap you read on discussion boards. gh15 is not an authority. Anyone who believes this is simpleminded. That is okay, you join the unwashed knuckleheads known as the Flotsam! If you think that consensus is the test of truth they you have abandoned rational thought and become an internet believer in nonsense.
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In the old days we didn't have bodybuilding experts. The guys who got big figured things out and kept that information to themselves. The magazines were written by staff hacks who didn't know much about bodybuilding. Ironman published plenty of authors but few with any credentials that I respected. Occasionally someone would come out of the woodwork with a new theory.
Arthur Jones was a genius. When you read what he wrote it makes sense. He did get results with Sergio so that surprised everyone. I personally think his high intensity training misses the mark. Completely. Volume plus intensity gets the job done. It really is as simple as that. So making sense is not enough. You need to know the correct and complete theory of hypertrophy. It will explain all growth and non-growth from serious training.
If you get old men to train doing plenty of sets with a maximum resistance you will see growth. Well, as long as they have enough nutrients.
You probably need 25 grams of protein a day. If you are not growing muscle maybe even less. That is the reality and has been known for decades.
You keep wondering who to believe. Do I have to point it out? Believe absolutely no one re bodybuilding. Study exercise science and nutrition so that you will be able to separate the kernels of knowledge from the crap you read on discussion boards. gh15 is not an authority. Anyone who believes this is simpleminded. That is okay, you join the unwashed knuckleheads known as the Flotsam! If you think that consensus is the test of truth they you have abandoned rational thought and become an internet believer in nonsense.
25grms of protein a day ? is that a typo ?
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pellius do you have good posture? i noticed a huge difference in abdominal bloat by correcting tilting my pelvis back into the correct position.
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25grms of protein a day ? is that a typo ?
Yes, he meant to say 2,5 grams of protein a day!
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In the old days we didn't have bodybuilding experts. The guys who got big figured things out and kept that information to themselves. The magazines were written by staff hacks who didn't know much about bodybuilding. Ironman published plenty of authors but few with any credentials that I respected. Occasionally someone would come out of the woodwork with a new theory.
Arthur Jones was a genius. When you read what he wrote it makes sense. He did get results with Sergio so that surprised everyone. I personally think his high intensity training misses the mark. Completely. Volume plus intensity gets the job done. It really is as simple as that. So making sense is not enough. You need to know the correct and complete theory of hypertrophy. It will explain all growth and non-growth from serious training.
If you get old men to train doing plenty of sets with a maximum resistance you will see growth. Well, as long as they have enough nutrients.
You probably need 25 grams of protein a day. If you are not growing muscle maybe even less. That is the reality and has been known for decades.
You keep wondering who to believe. Do I have to point it out? Believe absolutely no one re bodybuilding. Study exercise science and nutrition so that you will be able to separate the kernels of knowledge from the crap you read on discussion boards. gh15 is not an authority. Anyone who believes this is simpleminded. That is okay, you join the unwashed knuckleheads known as the Flotsam! If you think that consensus is the test of truth they you have abandoned rational thought and become an internet believer in nonsense.
Please post a study proving this. I've posted studies that show this not to be true. And compared to other 50 year olds I am in tremendous shape. You are not really that much older than Stallone but the difference in physical condition and appearance are light years apart. Why have you not put your own theories, beliefs, perceived facts to the test?
And in all your studies and research is there any information that you can share that will help someone procure legit HGH?
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. If someone supported Reagan that tells me something. It tells me a lot how someone feels about Israel, the only democratic country in the region that allows Muslims to live, work and serve in politics peaceably, and whose only crime is they want to live in 1/10th of 1% of the land mass in that region, and want to survive as a people because even if they all moved out they still would be targets of death.
I agree with you.
I can immediately tell that you are a complete idiot when I read the above- no need to meet you
by the way when u talk of 1/10th of 1% of the land mass in that region, what region is that, dumbass??
It must be pretty big since something 1000x bigger than current day Israel, which would be 8,522 sq mi X 1000= 8.5 milion sq miles, is more than the area of the US+Canada +Mexico.
I hope if someone decides to evict you from the hole you call home with the same argument, after all it is only 1/gazillionth of the US land mass- surely you will be ok with leaving right??
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pellius do you have good posture? i noticed a huge difference in abdominal bloat by correcting tilting my pelvis back into the correct position.
In addition to the umbilical hernia I also have something called "Sway Back." An exaggerated curvature of the spine that pushes your shoulders back and pushes your chest and gut out. This would be an example when I stand for a while relaxed. My shoulders start to go back and I start leaning backwards. It's usually in this position I start to unconsciously rub my belly like you would a genie in a bottle. I guess since it's sticking so much out there that it just seems like the natural thing to do. Hey, we can't all be perfect.
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I agree with you.
I can immediately tell that you are a complete idiot when I read the above- no need to meet you
by the way when u talk of 1/10th of 1% of the land mass in that region, what region is that, dumbass??
It must be pretty big since something 1000x bigger than current day Israel, which would be 8,522 sq mi X 1000= 8.5 milion sq miles, is more than the area of the US+Canada +Mexico.
I hope if someone decides to evict you from the hole you call home with the same argument, after all it is only 1/gazillionth of the US land mass- surely you will be ok with leaving right??
Ah, I knew I'd get at least one anti-semite to rear their ugly head.
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We all do things according to what interests us and what is important to us. I am not motivated to look lean. I still carry reasonable mass and look better than most men my age. I am active and do hiking to take photos. It is all good. Calves still big and I don't train them.
I can't believe that people expect free information from people like myself whose profession is assisting others to modify body composition. Most of you people wouldn't know sense from nonsense and good advice from rubbish. It is a complete waste of my time to try to influence the people on Getbig.
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We all do things according to what interests us and what is important to us. I am not motivated to look lean. I still carry reasonable mass and look better than most men my age. I am active and do hiking to take photos. It is all good. Calves still big and I don't train them.
I can't believe that people expect free information from people like myself whose profession is assisting others to modify body composition. Most of you people wouldn't know sense from nonsense and good advice from rubbish. It is a complete waste of my time to try to influence the people on Getbig.
OK, so you have no studies to support your claims but just your opinion which you are unable or unwilling to back up and put to the test.
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We all do things according to what interests us and what is important to us. I am not motivated to look lean. I still carry reasonable mass and look better than most men my age. I am active and do hiking to take photos. It is all good. Calves still big and I don't train them.
I can't believe that people expect free information from people like myself whose profession is assisting others to modify body composition. Most of you people wouldn't know sense from nonsense and good advice from rubbish. It is a complete waste of my time to try to influence the people on Getbig.
Those 2 words sum up 90% of your posts
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Ah, I knew I'd get at least one anti-semite to rear their ugly head.
anti-semite :) :)
is this a conditioned reflex (pavlov dog like) of yours ,ie do u believe it?? or have you been instructed in the sophisticated (lol) arts of how to discuss israel/palestine politics
sure son, unless one shares whatever opinions and non-factual based reality you may have about this subject is an anti-semite.
I fucking hate semites i.e jews, arabs, canaanites, phoenicians,etc (you realise arabs are also semites right??)
seems that the HGH does not act on the brain- or you should change suppliers
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Pellius,you look great brother.
Basile,after becoming the national champion of Canada, and then spouting that 25 grams of protein is all that`s required to build muscle,how in hell did you win the contest?
If you only ingested 25 grams per day and absorbed and assimilated it all to build or retain mass,then you sir have the genetics of a god!
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In addition to the umbilical hernia I also have something called "Sway Back." An exaggerated curvature of the spine that pushes your shoulders back and pushes your chest and gut out. This would be an example when I stand for a while relaxed. My shoulders start to go back and I start leaning backwards. It's usually in this position I start to unconsciously rub my belly like you would a genie in a bottle. I guess since it's sticking so much out there that it just seems like the natural thing to do. Hey, we can't all be perfect.
Sway-back ???
what you have is paluboism- i.e. your are so full of shit your abdomen over-expands and your empty skull is left behind.
GH is a helluva drug
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anti-semite :) :)
is this a conditioned reflex (pavlov dog like) of yours ,ie do u believe it?? or have you been instructed in the sophisticated (lol) arts of how to discuss israel/palestine politics
sure son, unless one shares whatever opinions and non-factual based reality you may have about this subject is an anti-semite.
I fucking hate semites i.e jews, arabs, canaanites, phoenicians,etc (you realise arabs are also semites right??)
seems that the HGH does not act on the brain- or you should change suppliers
Haven't started the HGH yet. Still mulling it over.
Props on the hate. At least you confirmed my anti-semite claim. And it is a conditioned reflex. When someone says they hate semites like Pavlov's dog I brand them an anti-semite. No thought needed or required.
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Pellius,you look great brother.
Basile,after becoming the national champion of Canada, and then spouting that 25 grams of protein is all that`s required to build muscle,how in hell did you win the contest?
If you only ingested 25 grams per day and absorbed and assimilated it all to build or retain mass,then you sir have the genetics of a god!
You forgot to say "for a 50 year old."
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Sway-back ???
what you have is paluboism- i.e. your are so full of shit your abdomen over-expands and your empty skull is left behind.
GH is a helluva drug
And will we be seeing what kind of shape you're in. I have a feeling not anytime soon.
Must suck to be you.
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'thank you' Vince & Pellius for destroying this thread. It it so hard to start a new one ???
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You forgot to say "for a 50 year old."
;D
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'thank you' Vince & Pellius for destroying this thread. It it so hard to start a new one ???
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Vince, with all of your knowledge, old school know how, specially crafted purple equipment, scientific research data why is it that you are not producing bodybuilders? Why is it that no one is lining up for your advice? Why is it that not one single person that you have trained can come forward?
Yes, yes, the kids of today won't listen. ::)
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Hahaha, so true ;D
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We all do things according to what interests us and what is important to us. I am not motivated to look lean. I still carry reasonable mass and look better than most men my age. I am active and do hiking to take photos. It is all good. Calves still big and I don't train them.
I can't believe that people expect free information from people like myself whose profession is assisting others to modify body composition. Most of you people wouldn't know sense from nonsense and good advice from rubbish. It is a complete waste of my time to try to influence the people on Getbig.
All these years i post here and you post here, every single fucking post of you is whining, whining, whining.
This is shit, floatsom, jetsom, young people bla, hating on fat people bla, steroids bla, ACCEPT ME, I WANNA FIT IN, fat girls bla.
FUCK OFF, grandpops. Why the hell do you even bother for years and years when all you have is complaining about how shitty everything is. You are a smartass, know everything better than everyone else, you can't listen, you can't learn, you just hate all day and especially on the people that come here for the entertainment and fun.
Especially at your age, what you do here is pathetic to the nth degree, to use one of the nice gh15 idioms.
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I liked you better when you were in TO.
What do you call what you are doing?
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I liked you better when you were in TO.
What do you call what you are doing?
1. That's not my problem
2. What i call it? I'm enjoying myself here, i don't take it all 100% serious like you do obviously. You're one bitter old man, nothing more. I have never seen a positive post from you, or seen that you enjoy anything you do. You are even crying about your "glorious" days back in 1843 or whenever it was you one the contest against yourself.
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bump!
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All these years i post here and you post here, every single fucking post of you is whining, whining, whining.
This is shit, floatsom, jetsom, young people bla, hating on fat people bla, steroids bla, ACCEPT ME, I WANNA FIT IN, fat girls bla.
FUCK OFF, grandpops. Why the hell do you even bother for years and years when all you have is complaining about how shitty everything is. You are a smartass, know everything better than everyone else, you can't listen, you can't learn, you just hate all day and especially on the people that come here for the entertainment and fun.
Especially at your age, what you do here is pathetic to the nth degree, to use one of the nice gh15 idioms.
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All these years i post here and you post here, every single fucking post of you is whining, whining, whining.
This is shit, floatsom, jetsom, young people bla, hating on fat people bla, steroids bla, ACCEPT ME, I WANNA FIT IN, fat girls bla.
FUCK OFF, grandpops. Why the hell do you even bother for years and years when all you have is complaining about how shitty everything is. You are a smartass, know everything better than everyone else, you can't listen, you can't learn, you just hate all day and especially on the people that come here for the entertainment and fun.
Especially at your age, what you do here is pathetic to the nth degree, to use one of the nice gh15 idioms.
Spot on
I got respect for Vince because he is from the golden era of bodybuilding and he was one of the guys that were somewhat pioneers but his constant hating and holier than thou attitude is fucking gay, for fucks sake Vince you have some many stories and knowledge that would be very entertaining to younger people here so why the fuck cant you post that? we know you hate the IFBB and it is a shit bag org but at least laugh at it like the rest of us, bodybuilding is a joke now so why not have a laugh at it and ourselves for doing it!
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2. What i call it? I'm enjoying myself here, i don't take it all 100% serious like you do obviously. You're one bitter old man, nothing more. I have never seen a positive post from you, or seen that you enjoy anything you do. You are even crying about your "glorious" days back in 1843 or whenever it was you one the contest against yourself.
Hahah
Word is that gym where Vince used to train back in the day was finally found by some archaeologists:
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6167/funnybenchpress.jpg)
Scientists say this might actually prove Vince's claims about inventing weight lifting true :D
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" It is a complete waste of my time to try to influence the people on Getbig...."
Yet you continue to post. Isn't this a bit contradictory?
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Yet you continue to post. Isn't this a bit contradictory?
Blame it on his Alzheimer
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We all do things according to what interests us and what is important to us. I am not motivated to look lean. I still carry reasonable mass and look better than most men my age. I am active and do hiking to take photos. It is all good. Calves still big and I don't train them.
I can't believe that people expect free information from people like myself whose profession is assisting others to modify body composition. Most of you people wouldn't know sense from nonsense and good advice from rubbish. It is a complete waste of my time to try to influence the people on Getbig.
silly question...but why do you waste your time posting?
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What about somatropin
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Ron talks about supporting bodybuilding and allows this shit to be posted on his board. Congratulations.
Whats wrong with Anti-aging medicine being posted on a health board? Maybe if you would have done a couple of iu's of growth over the past couple decades, you might still look like you touched a weight in your lifetime. Instead you look like a gay version of Mr. Roper from Three's company :-\
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Basile has been on homotropin all his life
lolz.
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In addition to the umbilical hernia I also have something called "Sway Back." An exaggerated curvature of the spine that pushes your shoulders back and pushes your chest and gut out. This would be an example when I stand for a while relaxed. My shoulders start to go back and I start leaning backwards. It's usually in this position I start to unconsciously rub my belly like you would a genie in a bottle. I guess since it's sticking so much out there that it just seems like the natural thing to do. Hey, we can't all be perfect.
Dude, I have this problem too! However, once I consciously started trying to correct it and stand with proper posture all the time, things looked much better. In fact, it's only been about a week and I almost assume the new posture unconsciously. If you focus on shifting your spine in the right position and holding it you will be rewarded!
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silly question...but why do you waste your time posting?
Because deep down he loves the attention. A man who parades around with 500 pound women(who he bangs) does so because he needs something. He looks like low grade dog shit now but his mind remembers what it was like to have some muscle and get some attention. Getbig gives him the attention that he needs.
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Whats wrong with Anti-aging medicine being posted on a health board? Maybe if you would have done a couple of iu's of growth over the past couple decades, you might still look like you touched a weight in your lifetime. Instead you look like a gay version of Mr. Roper from Three's company :-\
Holy shit! LMAO! Mr. Roper -- lol! I remember those days!
Sorry Vince. I hate to encourage the flotsam but funny is funny. You have to admit, this board delivers.
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Holy shit! LMAO! Mr. Roper -- lol! I remember those days!
Sorry Vince. I hate to encourage the flotsam but funny is funny. You have to admit, this board delivers.
Too late, Vince won't recover
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Dude, I have this problem too! However, once I consciously started trying to correct it and stand with proper posture all the time, things looked much better. In fact, it's only been about a week and I almost assume the new posture unconsciously. If you focus on shifting your spine in the right position and holding it you will be rewarded!
You really think this dog can learn some new tricks. I've been to chiropractors regularly for years. They've these tried to correct my sco-lee-oh-sis (sorry don't know the correct spelling but just how it sounds) and I have a compressed and fuse disk which took about a half inch off my height. I use to be towering 6'2". And when I stand I find it very comforting cupping my buddha belly. You notice if you ever visit Hawaii that locals are always doing this. Ask noworries. They always lift up their shirt and kind of cup and rub their bellies when they are standing around BSing. I don't lift my shirt but do engage in that odd habit. I don't know. My abs got pretty stretch out from the hernia. It's actually tighten up a lot after the first year following surgery. Still, it would be nice if it was flat like Salvatore or Devilsmile. Then maybe I can be like Romano and nail the 27 year old fine ass hoes.
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Anonymous? Are you kidding me? I've read every single one of his 5000+ posts over the course of five years. I know him better than I knew that 60 old Korean man that I sat in the same room and worked and talk with for over 12 years while at Raytheon Missile Systems when I live in Cali. I listen for years to some radio talk show guy whose name wasn't even his real name and never knew what he looked like -- but I knew him. I knew because I listened to him tell me what he believes for year after year. If someone supported Reagan that tells me something. It tells me a lot how someone feels about Israel, the only democratic country in the region that allows Muslims to live, work and serve in politics peaceably, and whose only crime is they want to live in 1/10th of 1% of the land mass in that region, and want to survive as a people because even if they all moved out they still would be targets of death.
When I first read the works of Arthur Jones I thought he was a genius. I still do. The fundamental principles he promoted made so much sense to me. I had no idea what he looked like and what name he called himself was irrelevant to me. Like most here when I first read gh15 I thought he was a crazy person. I read him because he amused me. But as time went on he gained more and more credibility. Why? Because what he says makes sense. A lot of what he says about the bodybuilders you actually knew yourself but never admitted it. Never clarified the thought in your own head. I remember that it was Mike Mentzer who first openly admitted about taking steroids and talked about it in the magazines. He said he took 200mgs of Deca a week and 3 dbols a day. That dose stuck in my head. He didn't have to admit anything but there he was talking about it openly. It never in my wildest imagination ever dawned on me that he would lie.
Who else are we suppose to listen to? Read the boards and hear that this source or this product is gtg but when someone says no they were scammed or ripped off their posts suddenly disappears and you see "banned" under their name. What HGH do you recommend and why? While researching HGH I googled Red Tops and get all these opinions on the boards of people who use them. Overwhelmingly they're positive. I become concern when one "HGH guru" starts bashing them. Says there is no vacuum seal and that means it's cheaply made. Says, riptropins are the ones to get. Then come to find out the guy has an agenda. A vested interest in rips. Maybe gh15 sells Thanks and that's why he promotes them. But now that Kigs has come out he says those are better. So what, he now sells Kigs and to forget about Thanks? For someone like me that doesn't know jack and never heard there was even such a thing as blue tops, black tops, yellow tops, green tops and pink tops what am I supposed to do? Ask a mod at ProMus or Outlaw? LOL! Maybe I'll listen to Lewellyen but his book comes out once a year and things already change by the time it comes out in print.
Every time you pick up a book and read about weight training, what brand of 9mm has the most stopping power, what role did Judaism play in the development of ethical monotheism, dark matter, reptilian hybrids.... who are these people to you? What because they are a professor or a doctor? Professor Singer at Princeton University feels you should kill disabled infants and you should be about to kill, or abort(?) your baby up to 3 months after it is born. He's a professor at a prestigious university and is surely smarter than I am. Should I listen and believe him? Does that make moral sense to me? How is it that Arnold at his peak was 6'2" 235 lbs and was head and tails above the pack and now we have guys 5'10" leaner at 270lbs? Better training and nutrition? Does that make sense?
We all know more or less what kind of person disturbia is. It doesn't matter what his name is or what he looks like. We have a pretty good idea what kind of person True Adonis is. And Coach, and NoWorries, and Salvatore, and Muscle Center, and Kyomo, and Sev, and Parker, and NewMom and, and, and... After you read hundreds, if not thousands, of posts over a period of years you get a bit of a handle of a person. If Ursus says something I'll tend to believe him because he strikes me as an honest, decent person. Anything suckymuscle says I'll view with suspicion. That guy has no credibility with me.
These are not anonymous strangers.
wow...
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I tried in vain to save hapless Pellius. He seems sincere and not a dope yet is consumed with his appearance. I guess that can happen if you live in Hawaii and walk around with no shirt on most of the time. Maybe he joins the countless people who believe in 'investing' in themselves, whether it is plastic surgery, botox, or drug therapy. Yeah, when in Rome do as the Romans do.
I have an obligation to counter the dangerous practices being espoused by the so-called God of hormones. The typical simpletons who read these forums are always looking for easy muscles so I guess such advice is received with gratitude. When I point out that this is both unnecessary, foolish, dangerous, and expensive the lads attack the sensible messenger.
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You really think this dog can learn some new tricks. I've been to chiropractors regularly for years. They've these tried to correct my sco-lee-oh-sis (sorry don't know the correct spelling but just how it sounds) and I have a compressed and fuse disk which took about a half inch off my height. I use to be towering 6'2". And when I stand I find it very comforting cupping my buddha belly. You notice if you ever visit Hawaii that locals are always doing this. Ask noworries. They always lift up their shirt and kind of cup and rub their bellies when they are standing around BSing. I don't lift my shirt but do engage in that odd habit. I don't know. My abs got pretty stretch out from the hernia. It's actually tighten up a lot after the first year following surgery. Still, it would be nice if it was flat like Salvatore or Devilsmile. Then maybe I can be like Romano and nail the 27 year old fine ass hoes.
Ah, too bad. In my case (though I can't be sure yet) I don't think I have any permanent damage, and I can shift back into shape. I was always told in my younger years I had scoliosis, but apparently it was too mild to concern my parents... maybe I ought to get a second opinion.
Also Vince, what do you have against pellius' concern for his appearance? Are you saying he's somehow unhealthy?
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I tried in vain to save hapless Pellius. He seems sincere and not a dope yet is consumed with his appearance. I guess that can happen if you live in Hawaii and walk around with no shirt on most of the time. Maybe he joins the countless people who believe in 'investing' in themselves, whether it is plastic surgery, botox, or drug therapy. Yeah, when in Rome do as the Romans do.
I have an obligation to counter the dangerous practices being espoused by the so-called God of hormones. The typical simpletons who read these forums are always looking for easy muscles so I guess such advice is received with gratitude. When I point out that this is both unnecessary, foolish, dangerous, and expensive the lads attack the sensible messenger.
Maybe pellius is happy being musclular, ripped and tan and doesn't want to be saved by some fat, whiny, pasty old grandpos whose best days are long gone?
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I tried in vain to save hapless Pellius. He seems sincere and not a dope yet is consumed with his appearance. I guess that can happen if you live in Hawaii and walk around with no shirt on most of the time. Maybe he joins the countless people who believe in 'investing' in themselves, whether it is plastic surgery, botox, or drug therapy. Yeah, when in Rome do as the Romans do.
I have an obligation to counter the dangerous practices being espoused by the so-called God of hormones. The typical simpletons who read these forums are always looking for easy muscles so I guess such advice is received with gratitude. When I point out that this is both unnecessary, foolish, dangerous, and expensive the lads attack the sensible messenger.
What does he need to be saved from? Guy lives in Hawaii, is in good shape and seems to enjoy life. He's got it better than most Getdumbers (including you).
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Pellius used to post as a bodybuilding expert, Mark Twain, on Ironage. We clashed a bit there but have since sorted things out for the most part.
He has taken some of my advice and cut down his heavy consumption of protein but not enough. I smile when I remember the guys in my gym
who took excess this and that, just to be sure. What kind of brain does that? Muscleheads, I guess. Instead of finding out about matters Pellius
is now thinking about HRT and he isn't old yet. To do that is one thing, but to believe in and follow some anonymous internet poster is to abandon
any sense I thought he had. Go to a doctor and let him determine what you need and write you prescriptions. I would never listen to medical
advice from an unknown on the internet.
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What does he need to be saved from? Guy lives in Hawaii, is in good shape and seems to enjoy life. He's got it better than most Getdumbers (including you).
x2.
If i had to chose between being muscular and ripped and living in Hawaii and being fat and sad and living in a warehouse i would rather be the first.
Brutal jealousy.
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All these years i post here and you post here, every single fucking post of you is whining, whining, whining.
This is shit, floatsom, jetsom, young people bla, hating on fat people bla, steroids bla, ACCEPT ME, I WANNA FIT IN, fat girls bla.
FUCK OFF, grandpops. Why the hell do you even bother for years and years when all you have is complaining about how shitty everything is. You are a smartass, know everything better than everyone else, you can't listen, you can't learn, you just hate all day and especially on the people that come here for the entertainment and fun.
Especially at your age, what you do here is pathetic to the nth degree, to use one of the nice gh15 idioms.
DK why all the hate for Basile?
Oh yea, all that shit you just said. Good points... Carry on. :D
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DK why all the hate for Basile?
Oh yea, all that shit you just said. Good points... Carry on. :D
No hate, just stating facts.
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Pellius used to post as a bodybuilding expert, Mark Twain, on Ironage. We clashed a bit there but have since sorted things out for the most part.
He has taken some of my advice and cut down his heavy consumption of protein but not enough. I smile when I remember the guys in my gym
who took excess this and that, just to be sure. What kind of brain does that? Muscleheads, I guess. Instead of finding out about matters Pellius
is now thinking about HRT and he isn't old yet. To do that is one thing, but to believe in and follow some anonymous internet poster is to abandon
any sense I thought he had. Go to a doctor and let him determine what you need and write you prescriptions. I would never listen to medical
advice from an unknown on the internet.
First of all, Pellius is already on HRT and is thinking about starting up with gh... just the sort of reading accuracy I would expect from a tireless researcher! ::)
And, as Pellius has already explained, he's judged GH15's posts for himself. Instead of relying on the credentials of a medical doctor, who, for all we know, doesn't know the first thing about hormones and training, he's relying on his own judgment after reading thousands of posts on the subject.
I wonder why you put so much faith in doctors. I've been given superficial suggestions from doctors on a number of occasions which betray their lack of knowledge and integrity. Beyond my own experience, I've heard plenty of complaints from bodybuilders when it comes to medical professionals. Just recently you said to trust no one when it comes to bodybuilding... yet we have to trust someone if we are to ever get anywhere. You have to take risks if you don't want to end up just another out of shape "expert" who, despite being so sure of their exhaustively researched theories, can't seem to be bothered to put them into practice.
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No hate, just stating facts.
Oh ok well I hate the guy for all the reasons you mentioned. :D
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Oh ok well I hate the guy for all the reasons you mentioned. :D
Well i surely would not judge anyone who hated the old fart for being as he is. ;D ;D
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Pellius used to post as a bodybuilding expert, Mark Twain, on Ironage. We clashed a bit there but have since sorted things out for the most part.
He has taken some of my advice and cut down his heavy consumption of protein but not enough. I smile when I remember the guys in my gym
who took excess this and that, just to be sure. What kind of brain does that? Muscleheads, I guess. Instead of finding out about matters Pellius
is now thinking about HRT and he isn't old yet. To do that is one thing, but to believe in and follow some anonymous internet poster is to abandon
any sense I thought he had. Go to a doctor and let him determine what you need and write you prescriptions. I would never listen to medical
advice from an unknown on the internet.
i dont know what kind of yoru rubbish i shoudl quote so i quoted this post lol ,,
anyways,,pellius is in GREAT shape for hsi age or any age ,,who are you to lecture him? he wipe the floor with you physiqe against physiqe ,,you forget that he is not 25 and not 35 ,, you are talking about a fella that keep in great shape when all of his buddies look like shit already and hold 25% body fat or have no muscle to hold too and very thin deu to age,,he actually hold good amount of muscle and is ripped to shredes in many pictures ,,if he had the gh and knew it back then hed be sitting large and lean in no time,,again age play factor ,,but even now he will grow in a second on gh and anabolics,,he is super lean ,m,very easy to grow when you are super lean and on those products
gh15 approved
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I tried in vain to save hapless Pellius. He seems sincere and not a dope yet is consumed with his appearance. I guess that can happen if you live in Hawaii and walk around with no shirt on most of the time. Maybe he joins the countless people who believe in 'investing' in themselves, whether it is plastic surgery, botox, or drug therapy. Yeah, when in Rome do as the Romans do.
I have an obligation to counter the dangerous practices being espoused by the so-called God of hormones. The typical simpletons who read these forums are always looking for easy muscles so I guess such advice is received with gratitude. When I point out that this is both unnecessary, foolish, dangerous, and expensive the lads attack the sensible messenger.
Judge not, lest yea be judged...
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Pellius used to post as a bodybuilding expert, Mark Twain, on Ironage. We clashed a bit there but have since sorted things out for the most part.
He has taken some of my advice and cut down his heavy consumption of protein but not enough. I smile when I remember the guys in my gym
who took excess this and that, just to be sure. What kind of brain does that? Muscleheads, I guess. Instead of finding out about matters Pellius
is now thinking about HRT and he isn't old yet. To do that is one thing, but to believe in and follow some anonymous internet poster is to abandon
any sense I thought he had. Go to a doctor and let him determine what you need and write you prescriptions. I would never listen to medical
advice from an unknown on the internet.
Come on Vince, I never posted on Ironage as an expert. You facetiously put that tag on me and pretty much everyone that has an opinion of muscle hypertrophy that differs from yours. I state my beliefs and opinions on training there just like I do here. DJ181 and I had quite a provocative but civil debate on training though none of us claim to be an expert. It is a tag you put on others just because they have theories, beliefs and opinions that they are willing to defend and that differ from yours. And I've already made abundantly clear that I've been on HRT for ten years non stop except for a brief 4 months period. And I know first hand the difference being on and off testosterona and can unequivocally say it's much better to be on. And as far as being old, I'll tell you my friend, in life you either on your way up or your way down. And as far as physically, I am most assuredly on my way down. I what to slow that process down and squeeze as much good years out of life that I can. And looks and appearance? Appearance it important. Nobody wants to look like a fat slob but quality of life is also very important. It is not a coincidence that good health and good appearance coincide. It's probably an evolutionary thing. If you're in good health, strong and robust you're much more likely to slay that saber tooth tiger. That's hot to a weak prehistoric woman.
And if I ever find a doctor who is half way in shape and have some idea about nutrition, supplements, and hormones as it applies to athletes I will consider him. But in my experience, those who have spent many years finding what works and getting real world results always trump the paper pushing theorist.
BTW, the testosterona was under the advice and recommendation by a doctor who specialize on working with athletes. He was a legit endocrinologist and not some anti-aging doc trying to make a buck.
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First of all, Pellius is already on HRT and is thinking about starting up with gh... just the sort of reading accuracy I would expect from a tireless researcher! ::)
And, as Pellius has already explained, he's judged GH15's posts for himself. Instead of relying on the credentials of a medical doctor, who, for all we know, doesn't know the first thing about hormones and training, he's relying on his own judgment after reading thousands of posts on the subject.
I wonder why you put so much faith in doctors. I've been given superficial suggestions from doctors on a number of occasions which betray their lack of knowledge and integrity. Beyond my own experience, I've heard plenty of complaints from bodybuilders when it comes to medical professionals. Just recently you said to trust no one when it comes to bodybuilding... yet we have to trust someone if we are to ever get anywhere. You have to take risks if you don't want to end up just another out of shape "expert" who, despite being so sure of their exhaustively researched theories, can't seem to be bothered to put them into practice.
Shit! I should have read this post first before I replied to Vince. Would have save me some writing.
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BTW, just to clear. We differ a lot, Vince, and sometimes I want to kick you in the nuts. But I do respect you. You've been in the game longer than most here have been alive. You were there during the glory Ironage and here now watching the circus that this subculture has devolved to. There are some things that can come only with experience. It's a tragedy that it is only youth that is revered in our culture. It wasn't alway like that. When I was a kid I use to look forward to spending time with my grand parents, aunts,uncles and one especially crazy uncle. To hear someone that was there during the Great Depression and the San Francisco earthquake. When the US choppers came over the mountains to liberate the Philippines during Word War 2 my aunt told me that everyone in their village ran over to greet them and she told her sisters, which included my mother, that she was going to hug and kiss the first soldier that came out of the helicopter. And sure enough she ran up to the first soldier and jump in his arms and planted one on him before he even had a chance to take off his helmet. Those were different times then and woman were expected to act a certain way. This was a very forward and bold move in those days. But the situation merited it. The Japs were a very brutal and war-like culture in those days. And then my aunt leans over to me and says, as my mom and her other sisters were forcing back smiles and laughter, "And Pellius, when the soldier took off his helmet he was Black!" Then the all of them roared with laughter.
Times were different then.
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gh15 - how about the 8iu Hygetropins currently coming out of China? Specifically from one of the longest running international sources in the game.
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How anyone can conclude that gh15 is an authority on hormones is a mystery to me. I could care less what he writes. Unless and until we know his credentials it is foolish to read his stuff and then follow his advice. Btw, a Mr Olympia competitor or even winner is NOT an authority on steroids or any other anabolic drugs.
Gosh, you have already been on testosterone for 10 years? Something not right there. The way you were not eating enough no hormones would help you. I hope you realize this.
You talked like an expert when telling people about how you trained calves. When I challenged some of what you posted you attacked me. More here on Getbig than Ironage. We have since sorted that out.
I expect people to differ. I merely post my opinions just like everyone else does. Maybe you read stuff into posts that isn't there. Lots of people just don't get what I say at all. I thought you had some clue
about what I say and that my intentions are always okay.
Good story about your aunts during the last war.
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How anyone can conclude that gh15 is an authority on hormones is a mystery to me. I could care less what he writes. Unless and until we know his credentials it is foolish to read his stuff and then follow his advice. Btw, a Mr Olympia competitor or even winner is NOT an authority on steroids or any other anabolic drugs.
Gosh, you have already been on testosterone for 10 years? Something not right there. The way you were not eating enough no hormones would help you. I hope you realize this.
This right here is the biggest retard to ever grace these forums.
Always these sarcastic remarks of how "everyone here's an expert", obviously meaning no one will acknowledge HIS supposed expertise. Not coming straight out with it but always these snide remarks and crying because no one gives him the respect he thinks he deserves. Recently he said he wanted expert tags here because he wrote some article once for a muscle magazine. ??? Like THAT in itself is a legit basis for being considered an expert. But let's say writing articles makes someone an expert. gh15 has been writing appreciated "articles" here for years so if someone considers him an expert there's a basis for that tag... compared to Basile who 99% of everybody considers an utter fool.
Basile, ever think that maybe it's YOU who's an idiot, and not EVERYBODY else? You've had arguments with some extremely smart individuals all over the net and from what I've seen the "peer review" hasn't been all that positive.
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This right here is the biggest retard to ever grace these forums.
Always these sarcastic remarks of how "everyone here's an expert", obviously meaning no one will acknowledge HIS supposed expertise. Not coming straight out with it but always these snide remarks and crying because no one gives him the respect he thinks he deserves. Recently he said he wanted expert tags here because he wrote some article once for a muscle magazine. ??? Like THAT in itself is a legit basis for being considered an expert. But let's say writing articles makes someone an expert. gh15 has been writing appreciated "articles" here for years so if someone considers him an expert there's a basis for that tag... compared to Basile who 99% of everybody considers an utter fool.
ImBasile, ever think that maybe it's YOU who's an idiot, and not EVERYBODY else? You've had arguments with some extremely smart individuals all over the net and from what I've seen the "peer review" hasn't been all that positive.
;D ;D
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How anyone can conclude that gh15 is an authority on hormones is a mystery to me. I could care less what he writes. Unless and until we know his credentials it is foolish to read his stuff and then follow his advice. Btw, a Mr Olympia competitor or even winner is NOT an authority on steroids or any other anabolic drugs.
Gosh, you have already been on testosterone for 10 years? Something not right there. The way you were not eating enough no hormones would help you. I hope you realize this.
You talked like an expert when telling people about how you trained calves. When I challenged some of what you posted you attacked me. More here on Getbig than Ironage. We have since sorted that out.
I expect people to differ. I merely post my opinions just like everyone else does. Maybe you read stuff into posts that isn't there. Lots of people just don't get what I say at all. I thought you had some clue
about what I say and that my intentions are always okay.
Good story about your aunts during the last war.
I posted a thread on Ironage directed to Max_Rep telling him briefly what I had done to transform my calves. From there on end I just answered questions and related my experience. The thread took off. Max_Rep even talked to me about doing an article on calf training for Iron Man. I didn't really want to do because I didn't feel I was ever an authority. I told him that if he really wanted to do it I didn't want my real name used or have any pictures take that would identify me. Never did I claim to be an expert or act like it. Please find an example. This is a perfect example where I did something that you disagree with but got great results. You have not shown us a single example of someone who has take your advice that has gotten tremendous results.
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Here is the dialogue Max_Rep and I had at the time. I know it's laborious but it was saved as one whole post and I didn't want to disturb the continuity and make it seem like I was editing it for my benefit. I just highlighted one pertinent aspect about you unjustly always accusing me, and others, of putting themselves out as experts.
Pellius,
What would you think about me turning your calve thread at ironage into and interview for Iron Man? I could pay you part of what I get paid. We'd need to have you sign a release on using the pictures.
Think yes.
Also... I want to get back into Martial Arts training. I've decided on two systems Aikido and Brazillian JJ. I think aikido would blend real well with BJJ. Do you have any recommendations on schools? I don't care about tournaments just for street defense.
David
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Of course I'm partial to BJJ. Akido use to be a great self defense system and was kind of stand up (as oppose to ground fighting) Jiu-Jitsu. The founder, Morihei Ueshiba, was a bad ass in his day but became very "philosophical" in his old age and eschewed violence. He down played the fighting aspect and eliminated competition.
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I agree but I think its a matter of who you study from. Theres a Serbian group that teach something real practical called real aikido but none in Los Angeles.
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There's a lot to be learned in regard to a martial art that will help you in life and to become a better person, as there are in all disciplines be it chess or bodybuilding, but a martial art is not a martial art if it doesn't teach you how to fight. When Rorian first came to this country he established his art by simply beating up people. Making open challenges, going to seminars and fighting, having underground matches in his dojo, and eventually creating the UFC. Of course, in the quest of becoming a fighter you learn so much more that applies to life. Everything, and I mean everything, that you learn on the mat can be applied to real life. And I don't just mean fighting. Just like if you take bodybuilding seriously and do it for years you learn discipline, dealing with pain, overcoming obstacles....
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I agree about applying all of what you learn to life
Ive practiced that a lot.
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In regard to the calf article, you can do whatever you want, use whatever you want and no need to compensate me. I imagine it will be quite a chore trying to oganize the thread to make it coherent. And I've forgotten a lot of stuff that I did. I was going to add on that thread that I did do something that seemed similar to Brian Johnson's system, I forget what it's called, where you work different phases of the movement.
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Youre think of J-reps and the guys at Iron man have their own set extending system called X-Reps.
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I'll sign any release for the pix. Hell, it's on the net. I just don't want my name used, even my screen name, or be associated as any type of calf expert. I actually feel a little bit weird about how obsessed I was about "calves." A lower leg muscle. I mean, I use to dream about them. And I never had any competitive aspirations. It makes me question my priorities and the type of person I am. Also, it reinforces the image of bodybuilders as, obssesive, overly self-preoccupied and "creepily" narcissitic. What kind of man well into his thirties stands on a dictionary between a doorway sweating and grimacing, dripping with sweat, trying to get into the "zone" so he can overcome the pain and burning sensation in his "calves"?
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Yes I agree youre one card short or a full deck
lol
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Even though I don't give a second thought to my calves anymore the thing that bothers me is that I bet if I suddenly woke one morning and they were back down to the 13 3/4 inches I'd bust out the old Webster dictionary and start pounding away. Obviously, I'm crying out for therapy. LOL!
Anyway, old friend, any help I can give don't hesitate. We've never met but it's like our lives have been so intertwined that I feel some sort of cosmic bond.
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Cool! Itll be a few weeks before I start it.
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In regard to BJJ, start stretching and gaining flexibilty. Also, conditioning will always be a factor. I suggest you hook up with a guy name Howard Liu from HCK (Howard Combat Kimonos). You can contact through his website (google HCK). He's in his fifties and very knowledgeable. We've trained for years. He trains out of R1 off Sepulveda and El Segundo. It's more of an MMA gym and they primarily train no gi (that heavy canvas kimono that I stopped traning with years ago) but I love the atmosphere. You will, too. Old warehouse and very old school. They have a platform where you can do power/olympic lifting and slam the weights. If you can get him to work with you one on one that will be the best rather than going to a group class. Say xxxxxxxxx referred you and let me know if you decide to contact him. I'll email him and give him a heads up and get him to give you the VIP treatment. He can get you started and then you can branch out however you want.
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Cool Ill call him.
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BTW, I missed you Bday. Hanging with the major players at the Firehouse, huh? Sweet.
Thanks yes it was low keyed and fun.
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Hey Vince and Pellius, pm eachother, nobody gives a fuck
Why don't you PM me anymore? I miss you. Call me.
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Why don't you PM me anymore? I miss you. Call me.
Uh oh,dont make him pull out his lightsaber!
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Hey Vince and Pellius, pm eachother, nobody gives a fuck
You need this for those 2 old farts
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Uh oh,dont make him pull out his lightsaber!
It hurts at first but after a while you start to like it. He's very subtle.
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no on the list = not approved as of now,,meaning it is in process of approval or non approval based on elfs experiementing with it ,,and then when they approve it it gets to me for personal check,,just remember if something get to me for personal check and i find it to be fake,,the source is DONE WITH SOURCING ,,i dont care if someone cheat him or whatever excuse,,when my elfs send me somthing and i check it and i decide its fake ,,,the source is done with business
gh15 approved
;D lol
You're one funny poster or posters I'll give you that, but I can't understand how some around here think you're a pro.
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gh15 - how about the 8iu Hygetropins currently coming out of China? Specifically from one of the longest running international sources in the game.
mutation
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screw hgh... this is the stuff:
http://sgbodybuilding.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=nutrition&action=display&thread=2379
http://www.aslicksheen.com/
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due to pupular demad,,this is gh15 curently approved hgh list as of jan 2 2011,,
this is a no argue list,,checked ,,verified,,confirmed,,next to each gh brand there will be its particular equivelent in ius to american gh iu for iu ,,the list is not in particular order all of the mentioned gh is legit gh approved by gh15 for usage,,the list is both brand names and labeled generics but again ALL LEGIT,,
1. serostim hgh - top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
2. humatrope hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
3. saizen hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
4. kigtropin hgh- top gh ***** 1iu = 1 iu
5. thanktropin hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1iu
6. nd hgh - top gh ***** 1iu = .8iu those are 8iu marked as 10 but still legit gh
the list will expend with more generics ,,this is now what gh15 is willing to confirm and give its stamp of approval due to the bunk operations that fake american eurpian and chinesase gh now days,,
the ones confirmed here are safe buy approved personaly by me,, do not i repeat DO NOT BUY ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL GH15 PERSONALY CONFIRM AND APPROVE IT ON THIS LIST,, THE LIST WILL EXPAND AS PROMISED ON A MONTHLY BASIS ALL THROUGH 2011
gh15 approved
Have you ever heard of primotropin and norvotrop? If so, what are your thoughts?
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Balderdash feels entitled to bag me but he hasn't put anything up that resembles a coherent theory about anything. Another guy who just bags people because he feels entitled. What a dork. He is head of the class of the ignorant Flotsam.
This forum clearly shows that the blind do lead the blind. The sheep definitely follow.
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Balderdash feels entitled to bag me but he hasn't put anything up that resembles a coherent theory about anything. Another guy who just bags people because he feels entitled. What a dork. He is head of the class of the ignorant Flotsam.
This forum clearly shows that the blind do lead the blind. The sheep definitely follow.
I think most people just skim over all your moaning and groaning.
Thank god for the mouse wheel!!
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I think most people just skim over all your moaning and groaning.
Thank god for the mouse wheel!!
x2.
When i see purple/navy font, i scroll on.
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Balderdash feels entitled to bag me but he hasn't put anything up that resembles a coherent theory about anything. Another guy who just bags people because he feels entitled. What a dork. He is head of the class of the ignorant Flotsam.
This forum clearly shows that the blind do lead the blind. The sheep definitely follow.
LOL! Van never said he's discoverd anything about hypertrophy training and never claimed to be an expert. He does debate and refutes nonsense and backs it up with common sense and sceintific studies. YOu make the outrageous claim that nobody needs more than 25grams of protein a day and say this has been know for decades. known by who? nobody hear has heard of this and nobody here believes it. unlike you we actually work out and no what it feels like on a low protien diet. you back this claim up with nothing. someone here posted a study on this thread done at Rice university that refutes protein requirements for an athlete. no response from you.YOu claim that an older person can make just as much IF NOT MORE gains if thye follow a proper weight taining program. Again you provide no studies to back this claim that is easily refutred by everyone who is older personal experience in the real world. including yours. Someone posted 2 studies on this thread
that shows this not to be true. no response from you. you claim that everyone here cliams to be and exeprt when it's only you that do. you said that pellius acted like he was an expert on calf training on his thread on ironage that I've readon ironage an no w here did I get the impression he was acting like an expert. he posted a private communication with maxrep whom I'm sure you know is David Young the writier for IronMan magazine talking about doing an artilce on his trainng. pellus specifically states that he did not want to be considered and expert in calf trianing. again no response from you.
yyou wonder why you get no respect you bitter old fart. you just prop your fat saggy ass up and talk donw to peopl and take this holy than thou attitude. sure unlike van you have put up your theories theories that have never been tested or comport with common sense and you parade yoursef as an expert because you were mr canada 40 years ago with a physque that wouldnt even turn heads at your average gym
just go away. you conceited old fuck. and what a turd crying about not having stars your pushing 70 and you want your fuking colored stars. How pathetic.
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LMFAO
At Basile using massive amounts of Homotropin
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Hit in order?
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I think most people just skim over all your moaning and groaning.
Thank god for the mouse wheel!!
Yep......I'm glad he posts in blue because it makes it really easy to avoid
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GH-15 wouldnt know what HGH to use all he can afford is the bunk HCG sold as HGH from china. thats his favorite. No way somebopdy who works at a mexican restaurant could afford humatrope or serostim. all GH-15 uses is a bunk HCG. real HGH is 191AA branch chain. only 4 names on that list are 100% legit 191-AA
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GH-15 wouldnt know what HGH to use all he can afford is the bunk HCG sold as HGH from china. thats his favorite. No way somebopdy who works at a mexican restaurant could afford humatrope or serostim. all GH-15 uses is a bunk HCG. real HGH is 191AA branch chain. only 4 names on that list are 100% legit 191-AA
Assuming that list includes American and European brands that means one of the Chinese products are good. Which one? Why? And how do you know?
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Balderdash feels entitled to bag me but he hasn't put anything up that resembles a coherent theory about anything. Another guy who just bags people because he feels entitled. What a dork. He is head of the class of the ignorant Flotsam.
This forum clearly shows that the blind do lead the blind. The sheep definitely follow.
Mixing metaphors, now. Talk about coherent.
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Assuming that list includes American and European brands that means one of the Chinese products are good. Which one? Why? And how do you know?
GH15 is not the only one with elfs. 191aa( amino acid branched chain formula) is all anyone should use. You can tell if HGH is good by how numb it makes your hands. HGH takes months to start really working. Im talking 6 months or more to really get the effects. a few months you will notice diffrences but most guys who are real athletes stay o n it for years. its the one performance enhancer you can run year long safely.
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nice answer "whitewidow" ::)
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nice answer "whitewidow" ::)
Well at least he's a "white" widow... HAHAHA get it guys? HAHAHA!!!!
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GH15 is not the only one with elfs. 191aa( amino acid branched chain formula) is all anyone should use. You can tell if HGH is good by how numb it makes your hands. HGH takes months to start really working. Im talking 6 months or more to really get the effects. a few months you will notice diffrences but most guys who are real athletes stay o n it for years. its the one performance enhancer you can run year long safely.
You ignored the main question: which on the list are the good ones.
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You ignored the main question: which on the list are the good ones.
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This is a good remark, what's your take on this God of Hormones?
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You ignored the main question: which on the list are the good ones.
id only use humatrope and serostim honestly. those 2 are the best brands of HGH in the world
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id only use humatrope and serostim honestly. those 2 are the best brands of HGH in the world
Duh! If you want to pay $15/iu. You implied one of the Chinese brands were good. That's what everyone overwhelming can afford. Which one?
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the list will expend with more generics ,,
Every kit of blue tops Ive got from China caused tingly hands at 1 - 2iu a day (which means its good GH).
E v e r y kit.
Blue tops = good to go.
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Every kit of blue tops Ive got from China caused tingly hands at 1 - 2iu a day (which means its good GH).
E v e r y kit.
Blue tops = good to go.
I use kigtropin now but before i used blue tops i got direct from China and i had the same effects as you at the same doses, a lot of good blue tops around, if you have a good source they are good to go ;)
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I use kigtropin now but before i used blue tops i got direct from China and i had the same effects as you at the same doses, a lot of good blue tops around, if you have a good source they are good to go ;)
At an a w e s o m e price ;)
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At an a w e s o m e price ;)
yep, good price and the more you buy the cheaper ;) good stuff!
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I use kigtropin now but before i used blue tops i got direct from China and i had the same effects as you at the same doses, a lot of good blue tops around, if you have a good source they are good to go ;)
How long does unmixed HGH last unrefrigerated before it's start to degrade? I've read very conflicting views.
"The only GH that does NOT need to be refrigerated before mixing is Serono company. They hold a patent on a strain cultured from a different cell line of mammalian cells that makes the GH more stable in it's dry form. Lilly, Novo-Nordisk, Genentech, and our Somaject DO need to be kept refrigerated at ALL times. Generally speaking the GH will remain stable (as in not losing ANY bio-activity) for around 24 hours depending on conditions (heat, humidity, and light).
Next day air shipment is recommended, especially during hotter
seasons to avoid any loss of bio-activity.
HGH, when stored in a temperature of 2 to 8 degrees centigrade can last up to 20 days. After you purchase the HGH vial, store it in the refrigerator at this temperature range. Even if you have used it, HGH usually lasts as long as 20 days at a temperature range of 2 to 8 degrees centigrade.
Undiluted, freeze-dried HGH powder in sterile vials may be safely kept at room temperature, not to exceed 86 degrees Fahrenheit, for up to 18 months (as dated on each vial). Up to 110 degrees for a day or two before mixing may be tolerated without a problem. Once diluent is added, however, the resulting liquid HGH must be kept refrigerated and used within 4 weeks or potency will slowly decline." - Dr. Elmer Cranton
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Assuming that list includes American and European brands that means one of the Chinese products are good. Which one? Why? And how do you know?
Ive never tried any of the chinese branded HGH wannabees. I have tried jintropin wich is in a diffrent ballpark than all the other shit coming from china. you got blue tops and red tops and yellow tops. most all the same shit marketed under diffrent brands. most of it is not of 191 amino acid sequence. remeber it has to be 191AA. Jintropin to my knowledge is no longer on the market I am pretty sure they are getting shutdown or are in the process of being shut down. Jintropin was 191-AA but was around 400-500 bucks a kit. some blue tops floating around might be real 191AA but most are not. When you can get 100IU's of HGH for 150-200$ then id be careful. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. If you cannot affor serostim or humatrope wich makes your hands extremely numb and works very well if you run it for a long time. If you acnnot afford the real good products like serostim or humatrope then your not going anywhere in this sport. If you want to be a real bodybuilder get serostim or humatrope. both are very spendy but worth it in the long run. main thing to remember is this YOU GETV WHAT YOU PAY
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Ive never tried any of the chinese branded HGH wannabees. I have tried jintropin wich is in a diffrent ballpark than all the other shit coming from china. you got blue tops and red tops and yellow tops. most all the same shit marketed under diffrent brands. most of it is not of 191 amino acid sequence. remeber it has to be 191AA. Jintropin to my knowledge is no longer on the market I am pretty sure they are getting shutdown or are in the process of being shut down. Jintropin was 191-AA but was around 400-500 bucks a kit. some blue tops floating around might be real 191AA but most are not. When you can get 100IU's of HGH for 150-200$ then id be careful. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. If you cannot affor serostim or humatrope wich makes your hands extremely numb and works very well if you run it for a long time. If you acnnot afford the real good products like serostim or humatrope then your not going anywhere in this sport. If you want to be a real bodybuilder get serostim or humatrope. both are very spendy but worth it in the long run. main thing to remember is this YOU GETV WHAT YOU PAY
The cost for HGH is artificially propped up. Cost of production is not much more than the cost of insulin. And I believe the patent has already run out. For good or bad, China doesn't care about such things like patents or market collusion. They just want to make money. They make money but selling their goods at a much lower price than the Western world and count on volume to make a huge profit. And it works. A vial of Watson test, according to my insurance if I were to pay full cost, is $160.00/vial. What do you think is the actually cost to manufacture a 10cc vial of test?
BTW, you've made a lot of claims to the gains you have made over the last few year, not to mention the vast amount of knowledge you have accumulated -- more than 99% than other people on this board. You also claim to have a national level caliber physique. Have you ever posted a pic? No need to post a face pic as I'm sure you are quite famous and infamous in "the game". But it would give you some credibility if you are able to back up at least one of your claims.
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BTW, have you seen our own Spike and the tremendous gains he has made since using the ND blue tops? The most inferior brand in gh15's list? If you could at least equal his level that would be impressive.
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How long does unmixed HGH last unrefrigerated before it's start to degrade? I've read very conflicting views.
"The only GH that does NOT need to be refrigerated before mixing is Serono company. They hold a patent on a strain cultured from a different cell line of mammalian cells that makes the GH more stable in it's dry form. Lilly, Novo-Nordisk, Genentech, and our Somaject DO need to be kept refrigerated at ALL times. Generally speaking the GH will remain stable (as in not losing ANY bio-activity) for around 24 hours depending on conditions (heat, humidity, and light).
Next day air shipment is recommended, especially during hotter
seasons to avoid any loss of bio-activity.
HGH, when stored in a temperature of 2 to 8 degrees centigrade can last up to 20 days. After you purchase the HGH vial, store it in the refrigerator at this temperature range. Even if you have used it, HGH usually lasts as long as 20 days at a temperature range of 2 to 8 degrees centigrade.
Undiluted, freeze-dried HGH powder in sterile vials may be safely kept at room temperature, not to exceed 86 degrees Fahrenheit, for up to 18 months (as dated on each vial). Up to 110 degrees for a day or two before mixing may be tolerated without a problem. Once diluent is added, however, the resulting liquid HGH must be kept refrigerated and used within 4 weeks or potency will slowly decline." - Dr. Elmer Cranton
bump any answers on this???
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Hate to break it to you guys but Tingly hands isn't an indicator of good growth. I have never ONCE got tingly hands even using pharmaceutical brand hgh that was prescribed and i saw come immediately from the pharmacy unopened and untouched.
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Hate to break it to you guys but Tingly hands isn't an indicator of good growth. I have never ONCE got tingly hands even using pharmaceutical brand hgh that was prescribed and i saw come immediately from the pharmacy unopened and untouched.
"tingly hands" is more like a ciculatory issue......could be the ticker telling them something.
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Hate to break it to you guys but Tingly hands isn't an indicator of good growth. I have never ONCE got tingly hands even using pharmaceutical brand hgh that was prescribed and i saw come immediately from the pharmacy unopened and untouched.
I think this is a good point. Those that use the Americano and European brand rarely report this condition. It's been said that the CTS is more often an indication of an impure product than potency. Remember that AID patients and children take huge doses and I'm not sure, especially children, could tolerant that condition. I mean, if you are experiencing CTS on 2ius does that really mean that it's just that much more potent than the rest?
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BTW, have you seen our own Spike and the tremendous gains he has made since using the ND blue tops? The most inferior brand in gh15's list? If you could at least equal his level that would be impressive.
I started with jinos when I was 22 - been low dosing gh for 6 yrs now Im on to 10ius
I got to 280 on nd blues and alot of good slin and AAS - but I always knew my source
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I started with jinos when I was 22 - been low dosing gh for 6 yrs now Im on to 10ius
I got to 280 on nd blues and alot of good slin and AAS - but I always knew my source
this is nordic physqe,,writen all over it,,100% legit gh,,part of approved list
gh15 approved
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this is nordic physqe,,writen all over it,,100% legit gh,,part of approved list
gh15 approved
exactly right!!!!!!!
I would walk thru the gates of hell for nordic :)
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I wonder what spike would look like if he was just on AAS though how much of a difference did gh really make?
Saw pics of him as a teen around my age I believe... before he started gh and slin,and dude still looked pretty big as a teen on AAS only
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The cost for HGH is artificially propped up. Cost of production is not much more than the cost of insulin. And I believe the patent has already run out. For good or bad, China doesn't care about such things like patents or market collusion. They just want to make money. They make money but selling their goods at a much lower price than the Western world and count on volume to make a huge profit. And it works. A vial of Watson test, according to my insurance if I were to pay full cost, is $160.00/vial. What do you think is the actually cost to manufacture a 10cc vial of test?
BTW, you've made a lot of claims to the gains you have made over the last few year, not to mention the vast amount of knowledge you have accumulated -- more than 99% than other people on this board. You also claim to have a national level caliber physique. Have you ever posted a pic? No need to post a face pic as I'm sure you are quite famous and infamous in "the game". But it would give you some credibility if you are able to back up at least one of your claims.
No way in hell I would post a pixture on a open forum. Only people I have sent pics to are the ones I know well and trust. once your pictures on the world wide web anyone can use it. also another way to keep on the down low. If I knew you real well I would have no probloem sending you a picture via cell phone
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exactly right!!!!!!!
I would walk thru the gates of hell for nordic :)
I would trust nordics GH. He is the real deal as far as biz goes. he is famous for pushing mexican gear.
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I would trust nordics GH. He is the real deal as far as biz goes. he is famous for pushing mexican gear.
thank fuckin god,,this is your first ever briliant posting!
very good
now go help milos,, he need friends
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No way in hell I would post a pixture on a open forum. Only people I have sent pics to are the ones I know well and trust. once your pictures on the world wide web anyone can use it. also another way to keep on the down low. If I knew you real well I would have no probloem sending you a picture via cell phone
forget about what i say about briliant,, dotn ever send pictres on anywhere to anyone,,this is 2011 not 1984,, even yuorbest friend can stub you deep in the heart,,ask arnie junior
gh15 approved
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thank fuckin god,,this is your first ever briliant posting!
very good
now go help milos,, he need friends
gh15 approved
You are very kind, but let me ask a serious question:
After all we know about Milos, do you really think there is ANYONE in the world that wanted to be "friends" with him?
I'd rather chop off my right arm then trust this guy even with a 5$ grocery shopping list.
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anyone need friend,,even bad people ,,even liars,,worst die is alone and betrayed,,that why anyone need friend,,even a dog,,dog better than human,,dog he need dog ,,btu be nice to him because dog will trust you milos so be good to him,,
gh15 approved
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anyone need friend,,even bad people ,,even liars,,worst die is alone and betrayed,,that why anyone need friend,,even a dog,,dog better than human,,dog he need dog ,,btu be nice to him because dog will trust you milos so be good to him,,
gh15 approved
THAT part is fine with me, what i am worrying about is who wants to be friends with Milos, after all he's a kind of "red flag" for all the people he was friends with... :-\
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THAT part is fine with me, what i am worrying about is who wants to be friends with Milos, after all he's a kind of "red flag" for all the people he was friends with... :-\
I'll be Milos' friend if he teaches me everything he knows about insulinona. Once I master the god of hormones bible and then master the teaching of the god of insulinona I can be the next Glass, Hany, Aceto and that fat older guy that trains with Kai.
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I'll be Milos' friend if he teaches me everything he knows about insulinona. Once I master the god of hormones bible and then master the teaching of the god of insulinona I can be the next Glass, Hany, Aceto and that fat older guy that fucks Kai.
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I'll be Milos' friend if he teaches me everything he knows about insulinona. Once I master the god of hormones bible and then master the teaching of the god of insulinona I can be the next Glass, Hany, Aceto and that fat older guy that trains with Kai.
Chances that you end up broke, with debt, buttfucked, in jail, on some FBI list or all at once are pretty high when you pursue this dream.
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due to pupular demad,,this is gh15 curently approved hgh list as of jan 2 2011,,
this is a no argue list,,checked ,,verified,,confirmed,,next to each gh brand there will be its particular equivelent in ius to american gh iu for iu ,,the list is not in particular order all of the mentioned gh is legit gh approved by gh15 for usage,,the list is both brand names and labeled generics but again ALL LEGIT,,
1. serostim hgh - top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
2. humatrope hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
3. saizen hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
4. kigtropin hgh- top gh ***** 1iu = 1 iu
5. thanktropin hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1iu
6. nd hgh - top gh ***** 1iu = .8iu those are 8iu marked as 10 but still legit gh
the list will expend with more generics ,,this is now what gh15 is willing to confirm and give its stamp of approval due to the bunk operations that fake american eurpian and chinesase gh now days,,
the ones confirmed here are safe buy approved personaly by me,, do not i repeat DO NOT BUY ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL GH15 PERSONALY CONFIRM AND APPROVE IT ON THIS LIST,, THE LIST WILL EXPAND AS PROMISED ON A MONTHLY BASIS ALL THROUGH 2011
gh15 approved
What brad is ND??? is it Norditropin or Nordiflex ???
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What brad is ND??? is it Norditropin or Nordiflex ???
ND blue tops ....
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due to pupular demad,,this is gh15 curently approved hgh list as of jan 2 2011,,
this is a no argue list,,checked ,,verified,,confirmed,,next to each gh brand there will be its particular equivelent in ius to american gh iu for iu ,,the list is not in particular order all of the mentioned gh is legit gh approved by gh15 for usage,,the list is both brand names and labeled generics but again ALL LEGIT,,
1. serostim hgh - top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
2. humatrope hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
3. saizen hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
4. kigtropin hgh- top gh ***** 1iu = 1 iu
5. thanktropin hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1iu
6. nd hgh - top gh ***** 1iu = .8iu those are 8iu marked as 10 but still legit gh
the list will expend with more generics ,,this is now what gh15 is willing to confirm and give its stamp of approval due to the bunk operations that fake american eurpian and chinesase gh now days,,
the ones confirmed here are safe buy approved personaly by me,, do not i repeat DO NOT BUY ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL GH15 PERSONALY CONFIRM AND APPROVE IT ON THIS LIST,, THE LIST WILL EXPAND AS PROMISED ON A MONTHLY BASIS ALL THROUGH 2011
gh15 approved
Here at my place I just can find GH BERGAMO.. >:( >:(
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What about Primatropin? It's a very popular one in Canada.
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never heard of primatropin
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Has there ever been fake Saizen around?? We had alot of this stuff floating around Finland few years back and some were complaining it didnt work. Just curious. The whole package looked really good though and the injections hurt.
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Has there ever been fake Saizen around?? We had alot of this stuff floating around Finland few years back and some were complaining it didnt work. Just curious. The whole package looked really good though and the injections hurt.
Since when GH injection hurt? ???
and if you used it it's very easy to spot if it's fake or not, under-dosed at the other hand is not that easy to spot....
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Since when GH injection hurt? ???
and if you used it it's very easy to spot if it's fake or not, under-dosed at the other hand is not that easy to spot....
I dunno, i never used gh before this Saizen and the injection liquid was including something which made it "hurt" a little.. not bad but kinda itching irritating and burning feel to the skin. It was really not some normal solution. And it was not just me but others as well.
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Groinktropin is the bomb. My arms blow up at just 2ius/day.
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has anyone tried these kits before?
http://norvopharma.com/
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has anyone tried these kits before?
http://norvopharma.com/
I'd like to know this as well. anyone tried these? naps and a few other suppliers sell them
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JUST STICK TO ND, NOVO, OR THANKS. U CANT ARGUE BOUT PRICE WITH THE 1ST TWO...U REALLY CNNOT.
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It Sucks there's not that many choices in canada
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JUST STICK TO ND, NOVO, OR THANKS. U CANT ARGUE BOUT PRICE WITH THE 1ST TWO...U REALLY CNNOT.
yes THOSE ARE THE BEST HGH IN THE MARKET IN THE LAST 5 YEARS,, THANKTROPIN ND AND NOW NOVO WHICH ARE ALL LEGIT GH ,, HIGH QUALITY DOSED RIGHT! 10 IU NOT 4 IU PASS AS 10
gh15 approved
gh15 approved
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yes THOSE ARE THE BEST HGH IN THE MARKET IN THE LAST 5 YEARS,, THANKTROPIN ND AND NOW NOVO WHICH ARE ALL LEGIT GH ,, HIGH QUALITY DOSED RIGHT! 10 IU NOT 4 IU PASS AS 10
gh15 approved
gh15 approved
Can you get ND blue domestic or only International???
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yes THOSE ARE THE BEST HGH IN THE MARKET IN THE LAST 5 YEARS,, THANKTROPIN ND AND NOW NOVO WHICH ARE ALL LEGIT GH ,, HIGH QUALITY DOSED RIGHT! 10 IU NOT 4 IU PASS AS 10
gh15 approved
gh15 approved
dosed right? You said blue tops are 8 iu labeled as 10 iu, have you changed ur mind,
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has anyone tried these kits before?
http://norvopharma.com/
Hey gh 15. Do you have any idea about these kits? Thank u
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yes THOSE ARE THE BEST HGH IN THE MARKET IN THE LAST 5 YEARS,, THANKTROPIN ND AND NOW NOVO WHICH ARE ALL LEGIT GH ,, HIGH QUALITY DOSED RIGHT! 10 IU NOT 4 IU PASS AS 10
gh15 approved
gh15 approved
WHATS UR TAKE ON PEOPLE SAYING NORDIC IS BEING BACKED UP?
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dosed right? You said blue tops are 8 iu labeled as 10 iu, have you changed ur mind,
i said 1-2 iu diff,, in the big scheme of thing ..its same thing,, trust me when i say underdosed it mean low quality poweder and 2-4 iu insated of 10! thats when you got problem!,, this is when stupid moderator say they inject all vial and feel something ,, ofcoure they do becaue 1 vial = 2-4 iu ...lol so you will fell something!,, lol
in reality anything gh come out of nordic is GOLD
gh15 approved
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WHATS UR TAKE ON PEOPLE SAYING NORDIC IS BEING BACKED UP?
when you are the only supplier of legit hgh ,, when you are only supplier of legit highe4st quality aas,, when you sit number 1 for so long,, the all damn bodybuild cult rely on you ,, ofcourse there will be minimal delay ,,nordic get orders from anyone to ever touch weight,, all npc all ifbb ,, all gurus ,, form farah to oscar and inbetween all order from nordic,, from mishko in no where to be found serbia to some no ones in local gymnasium in middle wisconsin americana to all the sources in americana that have their own operations going and need blue top ,, all come from nordic,, where do you thin it all come from? all come from nordic ,, number 1 in the cult for many many years,, held in highest regard by anyone who is anything in bodybuild
gh15 approved
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when you are the only supplier of legit hgh ,, when you are only supplier of legit highe4st quality aas,, when you sit number 1 for so long,, the all damn bodybuild cult rely on you ,, ofcourse there will be minimal delay ,,nordic get orders from anyone to ever touch weight,, all npc all ifbb ,, all gurus ,, form farah to oscar and inbetween all order from nordic,, from mishko in no where to be found serbia to some no ones in local gymnasium in middle wisconsin americana to all the sources in americana that have their own operations going and need blue top ,, all come from nordic,, where do you thin it all come from? all come from nordic ,, number 1 in the cult for many many years,, held in highest regard by anyone who is anything in bodybuild
gh15 approved
I FEEL YA. BUT I NEED MY ORDER WITHIN 30 DAYS. IS THE RISK SEVERE? IM GONE IN 30 DAYS AND DO NOT WANT THE PARCEL CHILLING THERE.
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cant tell you ,, i dont control nordic business,, he has all options from international to in the country of your choice,, i truly only like the source have no idea how he does things,, just provide my pupils with the best there is when it come to bodybuild and he is the best,,any true bodybuilder will tell you that they all used nordic if they got anywhere,,was mamta and nordic then all the rest came along,, the only one who remained for all the years is nordic the only one who brought great products is nordic ,, the only one who answer concerns is nordic and actualy answer emials all the time pretty fast in 24 hours,, the only one who give a fuck is nordic unlike what his enemies say ,, the only one who who kick the bad fellas and dont work with them is nordic,, the only one who send you somethign else if its his fellas mistake or if they dont work to his satisfection is nordic,, he sent quite a few elfs products free of charge because he wasnt happen with how his workers were operating,,
he is a good fella no matter what you hear,, he is not your friend and he shoudnt ...he need to worry about your safety and his safety ,, and this is the most highest concern ,, and he does,,
the only source who came up with special email to be very secured and even PAYED FOR IT FOR THE customers is nordic!!
you get the idea here....he is hall of famer bodybuilding industry ,, he is not some no one my friend,, he is highly regard to by most bodybuilders actualy by all but some just like to stirr things up and think that they need to get special service,,,well...nordic dont give special service for nordic if you are 180lb bodybuild or 280lb bodybuild it is same thing,, you worked hard for money and you get legit high qulity product,,
he is a good decent person!
gh15 approved
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I FEEL YA. BUT I NEED MY ORDER WITHIN 30 DAYS. IS THE RISK SEVERE? IM GONE IN 30 DAYS AND DO NOT WANT THE PARCEL CHILLING THERE.
Ask Nordic dude - gh15 cant control peoples orders only the source can.
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gh15 what about customs? did nordic ever had problems with them as far as orders goes?
In some countries customs are pretty tight y know.....cant order like that..
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i said 1-2 iu diff,, in the big scheme of thing ..its same thing,, trust me when i say underdosed it mean low quality poweder and 2-4 iu insated of 10! thats when you got problem!,, this is when stupid moderator say they inject all vial and feel something ,, ofcoure they do becaue 1 vial = 2-4 iu ...lol so you will fell something!,, lol
in reality anything gh come out of nordic is GOLD
gh15 approved
Dear god of hormones, when you say something I take you at your word 100%, not 99%, so that means if you say nd blue tops are 8 iu this means you've tested them and they came back to exactly 8.0000, so when you then say it is dosed right and gold and allof this, this confuses me, now I have access to thank and blues and blues are cheaper but underdosed so I will go with thanks, but I really hope you are 100% correct that they are underdosed because otherwise i am throwing away 40 dolars per kit, and you know exactly what source I talk about so you know I'm talking legit hgh, thanks god
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one is 95% 94.7 very close to 95% ,,the thanks are 98% very very close to 98%,, thanks are strongest china hgh there is right now,, kigtropin was 99%
98-99% same thing,, 95% is little less ,, over all both are good ,, thanktropin is little more pure...
those 3% is not big enough of a diff ,, if it was 10% then there woudl be something to talk about but 3% nothing to worry about
8-10 iu per blue vial
10 iu per red vial
9 vs 10 on average,, slight diff,,i can assure you you wil be happy with both
gh15 approved
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On your advice then I will order blues
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On your advice then I will order blues
Why not just get some dbo fo1 $100, you might be a hyperresponder for all you know and turn into the next arnold, without ever needing gh in the first place :D ???
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when I get the money the plan is to run ghg 4iu/day for 3 months, cut it, then start a cycle that will have dianabol in it
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when you are the only supplier of legit hgh ,, when you are only supplier of legit highe4st quality aas,, when you sit number 1 for so long,, the all damn bodybuild cult rely on you ,, ofcourse there will be minimal delay ,,nordic get orders from anyone to ever touch weight,, all npc all ifbb ,, all gurus ,, form farah to oscar and inbetween all order from nordic,, from mishko in no where to be found serbia to some no ones in local gymnasium in middle wisconsin americana to all the sources in americana that have their own operations going and need blue top ,, all come from nordic,, where do you thin it all come from? all come from nordic ,, number 1 in the cult for many many years,, held in highest regard by anyone who is anything in bodybuild
gh15 approved
GH15, why would all those you mention order UG gear from someone (nordic) when they could just order raws themselves and cook it up?
Are nordics connections to raws that much better than known raw sources??
I might have to find out myself, I guess....
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when I get the money the plan is to run ghg 4iu/day for 3 months, cut it, then start a cycle that will have dianabol in it
3 months of gh run at 4iu's a day will not do jack shit. You need to either run it longer, or run more for the shorter amount of time. If you can't afford more product, don't even waste your time. Get some clen, t3, test and tren and you will get better results for way less money.
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3 months of gh run at 4iu's a day will not do jack shit. You need to either run it longer, or run more for the shorter amount of time. If you can't afford more product, don't even waste your time. Get some clen, t3, test and tren and you will get better results for way less money.
I only weigh 145 pounds, I was thinking of doing more, i'm doing it less for fat loss than for the effects it iwll help create when I bring in aas
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I only weigh 145 pounds, I was thinking of doing more, i'm doing it less for fat loss than for the effects it iwll help create when I bring in aas
It will do absolutely nothing for that at 4iu's a day. I am not trying to be a dick, but it's the truth.
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How can it do nothing, you know how much I've read about people on 4-5 iu getting massive water retention and fat loss, nails growing fast, and it's not like I won't do more if 4 does nothing for me... right now that's what I'm planning to go to, if I want more I will do more, but that the dose I will move up to... first 2 iu then 3 iu then 4 in a matter of 2 weeks, split into 2 shots a day
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How can it do nothing, you know how much I've read about people on 4-5 iu getting massive water retention and fat loss, nails growing fast, and it's not like I won't do more if 4 does nothing for me... right now that's what I'm planning to go to, if I want more I will do more, but that the dose I will move up to... first 2 iu then 3 iu then 4 in a matter of 2 weeks, split into 2 shots a day
I'm saying that dose will not do anything in 3 months. 6 months at 4iu's you will get some results, but 3 months is not enough time.
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I'm saying that dose will not do anything in 3 months. 6 months at 4iu's you will get some results, but 3 months is not enough time.
well I'll take what you in consderation, I was calculating ho wmuch I would need if I did 6iu/day last night anyway lol
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4IUS FOR 3MOS WILL DEF. DO SOMETHING PROVIDED IT'S QUALITY.
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4IUS FOR 3MOS WILL DEF. DO SOMETHING PROVIDED IT'S QUALITY.
It's not going to do what he expects it to do.
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It's not going to do what he expects it to do.
YOUR NOT GONNA BECOME A FREAK OF NATURE, BUT ULL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE MORE FOOD FOR INCREASED FAT LOSS OR STAYING LEAN WHILE ADDING MASS. ADDING 4IU OF GH IS WORTH THE DIFFERENCE.
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never heard of primatropin
GH15, Any reviews on this? Here www.primatropincanada.co m
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YOUR NOT GONNA BECOME A FREAK OF NATURE, BUT ULL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE MORE FOOD FOR INCREASED FAT LOSS OR STAYING LEAN WHILE ADDING MASS. ADDING 4IU OF GH IS WORTH THE DIFFERENCE.
not in three months it wont. 6 maybe, but it wont do very much at 4iu's a day for 3 months.
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3 months is when it starts to really kick in at that dose.
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3 months is when it starts to really kick in at that dose.
since when gh need some time to kick in?
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I THOUGHT IF GH WAS LEGIT AND USE 4IU'S OR SO...CHANGES SHOULD COME SOON.OBVIOUSLY MORE IU'S MORE PRONOUNCED EFFECTS...BUT SHIT HITS THE BODY.
ITS LIKE WHEN PEOPLE SAY U NEED 15 OR SO WEEKS OF EQ...IF ITS QUALITY LIKE MY FRIENDS...I SEE HIS RESULTS IN 8 DAYS.
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What do you mean kick in, you're telling the novel worth of things regading gh I've read are all wrong, and I should take your word that gh can take 3 months to kick in, you are using bunk shit or you're a bullshitter,
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What do you mean kick in, you're telling the novel worth of things regading gh I've read are all wrong, and I should take your word that gh can take 3 months to kick in, you are using bunk shit or you're a bullshitter,
IF ITS QUALITY DONT WORRY BRO. ULL SEE CHANGES. OBVIOUSLY MORE IU= BETTER...BUT ANY IU> NO IU.
UR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR SOURCE.
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What do you mean kick in, you're telling the novel worth of things regading gh I've read are all wrong, and I should take your word that gh can take 3 months to kick in, you are using bunk shit or you're a bullshitter,
LOL!!!!! okay, get back to me after you use your 4iu's for 3 months and tell me what happens.
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Months to kick in, my tighter-by-the-day arse. Abs are blurring up a bit on 5iu am and pm but it isn't fat.
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http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23268
So many posts like this, you expecting me to believe you? I said I would take your advice into consideration, I gave you credit, you gonna lie to a newbie for what reason?
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http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23268
So many posts like this, you expecting me to believe you? I said I would take your advice into consideration, I gave you credit, you gonna lie to a newbie for what reason?
As I said previously, do what you want to do and then get back to me in three months and tell me how it went. GH by itself, for 3 months at 4 iu's will do next to nothing. Doesn't matter how good the quality is. Also, the thread you linked me to was a guy using gh with test and primo. You are not planning on doing that.
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Months to kick in, my tighter-by-the-day arse. Abs are blurring up a bit on 5iu am and pm but it isn't fat.
If I read your post correctly, you are using 10 iu's a day. What I said is that 4 iu's a day for 3 months by itself will do next to nothing.
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I will get back to you, gotta get my hands on it first though lol,
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3 months is when it starts to really kick in at that dose.
wrong,, very very wrong,, and its good i ws refering to this tread again i woudl not see it ,, so thank you to my pupil who referd me to it,,
hgh works from THE FIRST MILI SECOND IT GET TO BLOOD,, meaning you take hgh at 11 pm by 11 pm and 3 seconds you already have it working ,, and 24 hours later you ALREADY LOOK DIFFERENT!,, IT TAKE 30 DAYS TO SEE CHANGES VISIBLY even less! ,, take 60-90 days to complete body change,, and after 3 months you just become competetive bodybuild level ,, after 6 months you are magazine look ,, THIS IS THE TRUTH!
ofcoruse if you are 15% fatzo and true 15 % not the 8% you see here on the boarding and say it is 15% but ! if you are 15-20% then it wil take longer ,, i mean you do need time to burn that fat and build the 3 dimentional aspect,, if you ar already 12 and sub % you wil se changes happening VERY VERY FAST,,
5-8 iu you will see super fast changing on good gh ,, dont try to tell them othwerwize,, on fake gh on underdose gh ,, on bunk gh some of my elfs were getting in the last few years...on that you wil need vial upon vials to even get 4 iu in the blood lol THAT IS WHY IT DOESNT WORK ,, IT IS SOME ANTI DURETIC MIX WITH SOME HCG ,, YOU DONT USE FUCKIN REAL GH !!
make sure you fellas know what you talking about,,
real hgh no more than 90 days for superb results,, if it was longer we woudnt be competing in such high level bodybuild now day ,, we all do prep in 10 weeks lol give me a break ,,
legit hgh = changed by the day ,, this is why everyone love gh ...it is changes by the day by the hour...you wake up you tkae injection you go to sleep you take injection you do it 3-4 days and you already see tranformation going,, you add gh to an already lean physiqe and you see the volumizing from within effect in matter of days!
gh15 approved
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http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23268
So many posts like this, you expecting me to believe you? I said I would take your advice into consideration, I gave you credit, you gonna lie to a newbie for what reason?
DONT WORRY. EVEN THOUGH DONT REFERENCE SOMEONE ELSE'S RESULTS...ONLY THING CONSISTENT WITH THESE PEPTIDES & HORMONES...IS THE LEGITIMACY OF IT(PROVIDED U KNOW UR SOURCE).
THE MOST INCONSISTENT THING IS UR RESPONSE.
4IU IS ENOUGH TO SURPASS A POOR RESPONSE FROM A LEGIT PRODUCT.
PEOPLE TOLD ME 250-375MG TESTOSTERONA IS LOW...MY SOURCE IS TOP NOTCH...MY RESULTS FANTASTIC? ITS ALL INDIVIDUALIZED. WITH ANY LEGIT SUPPLEMENT U WILL KNOW U R ON IT...AND IF UR GOOD ENOUGH,OTHERS WILL TOO.
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wrong,, very very wrong,, and its good i ws refering to this tread again i woudl not see it ,, so thank you to my pupil who referd me to it,,
hgh works from THE FIRST MILI SECOND IT GET TO BLOOD,, meaning you take hgh at 11 pm by 11 pm and 3 seconds you already have it working ,, and 24 hours later you ALREADY LOOK DIFFERENT!,, IT TAKE 30 DAYS TO SEE CHANGES VISIBLY even less! ,, take 60-90 days to complete body change,, and after 3 months you just become competetive bodybuild level ,, after 6 months you are magazine look ,, THIS IS THE TRUTH!
ofcoruse if you are 15% fatzo and true 15 % not the 8% you see here on the boarding and say it is 15% but ! if you are 15-20% then it wil take longer ,, i mean you do need time to burn that fat and build the 3 dimentional aspect,, if you ar already 12 and sub % you wil se changes happening VERY VERY FAST,,
5-8 iu you will see super fast changing on good gh ,, dont try to tell them othwerwize,, on fake gh on underdose gh ,, on bunk gh some of my elfs were getting in the last few years...on that you wil need vial upon vials to even get 4 iu in the blood lol THAT IS WHY IT DOESNT WORK ,, IT IS SOME ANTI DURETIC MIX WITH SOME HCG ,, YOU DONT USE FUCKIN REAL GH !!
make sure you fellas know what you talking about,,
real hgh no more than 90 days for superb results,, if it was longer we woudnt be competing in such high level bodybuild now day ,, we all do prep in 10 weeks lol give me a break ,,
legit hgh = changed by the day ,, this is why everyone love gh ...it is changes by the day by the hour...you wake up you tkae injection you go to sleep you take injection you do it 3-4 days and you already see tranformation going,, you add gh to an already lean physiqe and you see the volumizing from within effect in matter of days!
gh15 approved
so you are telling me that 4 iu's a day for 3 months with no AAS is going to yield results for him. I just lost all respect I had for you. I have never even wasted my time running GH with no AAS and I get great results from my gh at 10iu's a day (switching between ND blue tops and riptropin, the riptropin is actually better IMO.)
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What results, I'm not trying to gain 20 lb of muscle, I want to shed fat and heal some injuries and improve my response to the aas I will be taking later
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OH NO AAS?
BRAH RUN AT LEAST SOMETHING...AN AMPOLA OF HUMAN GRADE TEST...JUST SOMETHING.
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OH NO AAS?
BRAH RUN AT LEAST SOMETHING...AN AMPOLA OF HUMAN GRADE TEST...JUST SOMETHING.
Thank you, for fucks sake this is what I have been saying in my past 12 posts on this thread and no one fucking got that.
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Nah, not looking to put on muscle, I will post some pics on just gh, I have a good shape naturally anyways
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Nah, not looking to put on muscle, I will post some pics on just gh, I have a good shape naturally anyways
LOSING FAT, GAINING MUSCLE...EVERYTHING IS HORMONE ENRICHED.GET OUT THERE AND BUY AN AMPOLA A WEEK ...$6-10 AND ITLL MAKE THE CYCLE WORTHWHILE...IF U WANNA PRIME SO THE AFTERMATH IS UNREAL...DO THE GH + LOW AAS THEN BLAST AFTER WITH MORE AAS.
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My plan is to do 3 months on gh then 3 months on aas, basically forever, not looking to "cruise" at any point, I am not a bodybuilder and I don't wanna be huge, I described my goal to no one that my goal is to put on beautiful pounds, will never do a bulking cycle, will not stay on for more than 3 months
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My plan is to do 3 months on gh then 3 months on aas, basically forever, not looking to "cruise" at any point, I am not a bodybuilder and I don't wanna be huge, I described my goal to no one that my goal is to put on beautiful pounds, will never do a bulking cycle, will not stay on for more than 3 months
you are not going to magically get "huge" with one amp of test a week +4iu's of gh. Your gh will actually yield better results if used with the test.
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My plan is to do 3 months on gh then 3 months on aas, basically forever, not looking to "cruise" at any point, I am not a bodybuilder and I don't wanna be huge, I described my goal to no one that my goal is to put on beautiful pounds, will never do a bulking cycle, will not stay on for more than 3 months
UVE GOT WISHFUL THINKING. WHY U R FIXATED ON CERTAIN BRACKETS IS BEYOND ME...
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I am not trying to be huge, I am not a gym rat, I want to be undeniably beautiful to women I so can turn more of them down lol, and being limited by 3 months hurts my size gains right... well im not looking for size as much as beauty, ok? I am not a bodybuilder trying to look huge like an animal, I will try to be efficient in those three month and stack sust with tren mast eq/npp and dbol then adrol, but after 3 months I want my natural levels back and will resume ghg cycle, Im not trying to win contests here or cruise or bulk, put on a few pretty hard muscles and heal some injuries
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I am not trying to be huge, I am not a gym rat, I want to be undeniably beautiful to women I so can turn more of them down lol, and being limited by 3 months hurts my size gains right... well im not looking for size as much as beauty, ok? I am not a bodybuilder trying to look huge like an animal, I will try to be efficient in those three month and stack sust with tren mast eq/npp and dbol then adrol, but after 3 months I want my natural levels back and will resume ghg cycle, Im not trying to win contests here or cruise or bulk, put on a few pretty hard muscles and heal some injuries
U CAN LOOK BEAUTIFUL AND SCUPLTED ON HORMONES TOO..NOT ANIMALISTIC...BUT SCUPLTED..u WANT LIKE A MODEL PHYSIQUE RITE?
U DONT NEED TO JUICE TO THE GILLS BUT 12 WEEKS OF 250 TEST + 4 OR MORE IU GH,THEN 12 WEEKS OFF 500MG+ AAS...BACK AND FORTH IS AWESOME...SOMETHING I MIGHT DO ACTUALLY.
U WONT TAKE TREN/MAST/EQ/NPP AND THEN DBOL,THEN DROL THEN GET OFF AND RESTORE SHIT...AND TAKE GH AND THINK EVERYTHINGS FINE.
UR PRETTY MUCH AS BIG AS YOUR DOSE. SO MY SUGGESTION...12 WEEKS LOW AAS+ GH...12 WEEKS MODERATE AAS + NO GH...REPEAT. IF HEALTH IS UR PRIORITY...NO TREN, NO ORALS, NO EQ...JUST TEST & MAST.
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Health is a small concern, there is high bp in my family, I will be taking hcg during aas I like to have big balls lol, I am not in a rush to get anywhere man, I;ve done a lot of research and this is what I will do, gh 3 months aas 3 months 4ever, and the aas will be a sophisticated cocktail meant to put on beautiful pounds
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I am not trying to be huge, I am not a gym rat, I want to be undeniably beautiful to women I so can turn more of them down lol, and being limited by 3 months hurts my size gains right... well im not looking for size as much as beauty, ok? I am not a bodybuilder trying to look huge like an animal, I will try to be efficient in those three month and stack sust with tren mast eq/npp and dbol then adrol, but after 3 months I want my natural levels back and will resume ghg cycle, Im not trying to win contests here or cruise or bulk, put on a few pretty hard muscles and heal some injuries
Now i lost you....
you are going to run tren, mast, dbol and anadrol just to look good in the eyes of women?
sorry but that's just dumb, what are 15 yo?
let alone the fact that your mouth is what control females,
on the drugs mentioned above will put you exactly where you don't want
to be, unless your genetics sucks.
Health is a small concern, there is high bp in my family, I will be taking hcg during aas I like to have big balls lol, I am not in a rush to get anywhere man, I;ve done a lot of research and this is what I will do, gh 3 months aas 3 months 4ever, and the aas will be a sophisticated cocktail meant to put on beautiful pounds
ofc it is, when you are thinking about all the poon you will be slamming afterwards lol
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so you are telling me that 4 iu's a day for 3 months with no AAS is going to yield results for him. I just lost all respect I had for you. I have never even wasted my time running GH with no AAS and I get great results from my gh at 10iu's a day (switching between ND blue tops and riptropin, the riptropin is actually better IMO.)
why do sometime i feel i talk to bunch of loonatiks? can you tell me what or wher i said no anabolc steroids?? WHEN THE FUCK DID I TELL NO AAS? READ THE FUCKIN BIBLE ,, i wrote there already everything,, ask my pupils they will lay it out for yhou ,, ys you need aas to develop what the gh does,, prime with gh couple months then boom aas then you got bodybuilder!,, advance level go on both ,,
i dont understand this ,, i write pretty clear ,, yes fucked up english but i repeat everything 400 times and write it in all kind of ways but same idea behind,, its all written in the bible,,
gh with out aas = balonie,, its not for bodybuild
you need aas,,
what i say 3 months is....for advance bodybuild ,, FOR A BODYBUILDER for feella who work out liek bodybuild and want to become bodybuild,, 2-3 months on gh is all you need ,, either prime or together with aas
gh15 approved
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Never come off AAS. Just as important as food, water, air and fine pussy. C'mon, guys.
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am i the only one here who sees that apply85 is just trolling. stop responding the him
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Now i lost you....
you are going to run tren, mast, dbol and anadrol just to look good in the eyes of women?
sorry but that's just dumb, what are 15 yo?
let alone the fact that your mouth is what control females,
on the drugs mentioned above will put you exactly where you don't want
to be, unless your genetics sucks.
ofc it is, when you are thinking about all the poon you will be slamming afterwards lol
I will make apost about my cycle later, right now it's in the fantasy phase
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Never come off AAS. Just as important as food, water, air and fine pussy. C'mon, guys.
X2, its that or being a skinny fat twink with a ugly gf
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X2, its that or being a skinny fat twink with a ugly gf
yup.. never come off or else = gains lost :-\
just switch products, doses etc etc but always stay on ;)
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Here is a question for GH15. Now that Nordic is selling Novatropin, is that an "approved brand?"
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Here is a question for GH15. Now that Nordic is selling Novatropin, is that an "approved brand?"
ofcourse it is ,, didnt you hears whats going on in the cult? fellas go to doctor and doctor ask them if they are on hgh because they see healing process faster with bones and injuries whiel on novotropin ,, the doctor asked with out even testing anything,,
nordic is prime prime prime legitimacy
gh15 approved
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How long after starting hgh should one wait before throwin in the slin too?
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Here is a question for GH15. Now that Nordic is selling Novatropin, is that an "approved brand?"
Nov"o"tropin ;)
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ofcourse it is ,, didnt you hears whats going on in the cult? fellas go to doctor and doctor ask them if they are on hgh because they see healing process faster with bones and injuries whiel on novotropin ,, the doctor asked with out even testing anything,,
nordic is prime prime prime legitimacy
gh15 approved
That was just what some idiot posted on outlaw. Have you ever read that guys other posts? He is a moron. I am only asking because the blue tops nordic sells are getting close to their expiration date (unless they made more of them, the last two times I got them they expire early next year)and I want to get enough to last a while. novotropin is a fairly new brand, so i will go with those if they are quality.
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That was just what some idiot posted on outlaw. Have you ever read that guys other posts? He is a moron. I am only asking because the blue tops nordic sells are getting close to their expiration date (unless they made more of them, the last two times I got them they expire early next year)and I want to get enough to last a while. novotropin is a fairly new brand, so i will go with those if they are quality.
I HAVE NOVO'S IN RIGHT NOW...CAME IN YESTERDAY...GETTING SOME BW AND GONNA START IN 2 WEEKS.
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I think the bottom line is simple, if you're running 4iu/ed for 3months and you don't get results something is wrong with your HGH. 3 months is shorter than I prefer, I usually say 4 is the minimum with 6 being my preference but 3 will do a lot for overall conditioning if the HGH is real and potent.
I will say this though in reference to something GH15 said a few post back. While 4iu is a good dose and I often say use 5iu simply out of convenience I've never thought the difference between 5iu and say 8iu was all that great. It doesn't seem like a dose above 5iu is worth that much until you start breaking the 10iu per day mark.
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thats corect,, 6 and 10 pretty similar,,15 iu + ...------> gh15 will put you into the zone you want to be and sunddely you will end up being the fella in gymnasium 210 6% with superb condition ...and go on to be 220 and then 230 and then 240 250 and higher with inuslina added to the gh
the fellas that walk around 240lb 6% are not on 5iu gh lol,, they go into the 15+ zone and inaddition use insulina and ALOT,,
thikn abotu it fellas 5'8 fella standing 240lb true 6% bodyfat,, DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS ? think about it arnold schwarzeneneneneneger best bodybuild in history with ron colman ,, went on stage 6'2 225-235lb do you understand this is = to 5'8 185-195lb correct?
so arnold with thebest build ,,best drugs of the time could only get to 5'8 190lb .....make you think a little about fellas like the croach eh? lol
fellas dont get it ,,modern bodybuild is ALL HGH AND INSULINA,,
a bodybuild now day that is 200-210lb 6% 5'10 is SUPERB BODYBUILD he only doesnt use hgh and insulina at high doses,,
gh15 approved
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I think the bottom line is simple, if you're running 4iu/ed for 3months and you don't get results something is wrong with your HGH. 3 months is shorter than I prefer, I usually say 4 is the minimum with 6 being my preference but 3 will do a lot for overall conditioning if the HGH is real and potent.
I will say this though in reference to something GH15 said a few post back. While 4iu is a good dose and I often say use 5iu simply out of convenience I've never thought the difference between 5iu and say 8iu was all that great. It doesn't seem like a dose above 5iu is worth that much until you start breaking the 10iu per day mark.
he wants to run GH ONLY AT 4IU's FOR 3 MONTHS. If you truly believe that will do anything besides a bit of fat loss, you are crazy. I don't care how good the GH is.
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thats corect,, 6 and 10 pretty similar,,15 iu + ...------> gh15 will put you into the zone you want to be and sunddely you will end up being the fella in gymnasium 210 6% with superb condition ...and go on to be 220 and then 230 and then 240 250 and higher with inuslina added to the gh
the fellas that walk around 240lb 6% are not on 5iu gh lol,, they go into the 15+ zone and inaddition use insulina and ALOT,,
thikn abotu it fellas 5'8 fella standing 240lb true 6% bodyfat,, DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS ? think about it arnold schwarzeneneneneneger best bodybuild in history with ron colman ,, went on stage 6'2 225-235lb do you understand this is = to 5'8 185-195lb correct?
so arnold with thebest build ,,best drugs of the time could only get to 5'8 190lb .....make you think a little about fellas like the croach eh? lol
fellas dont get it ,,modern bodybuild is ALL HGH AND INSULINA,,
a bodybuild now day that is 200-210lb 6% 5'10 is SUPERB BODYBUILD he only doesnt use hgh and insulina at high doses,,
gh15 approved
IN YOUR MUTATION CALCULATOR YOU SAID ~8IU IS WHERE THE MUTATION STARTS...
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You guys are throwing around dosage but not weight, is there an assumed 200lb weight for all these doses
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You guys are throwing around dosage but not weight, is there an assumed 200lb weight for all these doses
WEIGHT IS BASED OFF HEIGHT AND ALSO BONE STRUCTURE REALLY.....
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Ok, but what matters is plasma concentration not total dosage, 150 adrol for a 220 guy = 100 for me, throwing around dosage is meaningless without poundage, unless there is an assumed weight....
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apply does have a point and thats that the bigger you get the more you need to take to keep on growing.
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apply does have a point and thats that the bigger you get the more you need to take to keep on growing.
what are your thoughts where gh15 says you need to cycle off gh like Kevin did? Do these guys really come off gh at any point in their career? I was suprised to hear this.
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what are your thoughts where gh15 says you need to cycle off gh like Kevin did? Do these guys really come off gh at any point in their career? I was suprised to hear this.
From I read, your body keeps producing high levels of igf even after u stop taking gh, there's a guy whos igf levels were higher AFTER he got off gh, like months after. I think this is the 6 month window 15 keeps talking about, and this is why I feel comfortable using gh for 3 months then cutting it and introducing aas, I'm counting on this window where my body keeps making high levels of igf
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I think the bottom line is simple, if you're running 4iu/ed for 3months and you don't get results something is wrong with your HGH. 3 months is shorter than I prefer, I usually say 4 is the minimum with 6 being my preference but 3 will do a lot for overall conditioning if the HGH is real and potent.
I will say this though in reference to something GH15 said a few post back. While 4iu is a good dose and I often say use 5iu simply out of convenience I've never thought the difference between 5iu and say 8iu was all that great. It doesn't seem like a dose above 5iu is worth that much until you start breaking the 10iu per day mark.
When you talk about these results....are talking about fat loss....or building muscle? Like if you take 4iu's for 4-6 months of human grade hgh....can you gain muscle on HGH alone? Casue Im working on getting enough dough to get human grade hgh...but Im not going to use any steroids any more. Like if I took just human grade hgh for 3 months at 4iu's a day what results could I expect?
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From I read, your body keeps producing high levels of igf even after u stop taking gh, there's a guy whos igf levels were higher AFTER he got off gh, like months after. I think this is the 6 month window 15 keeps talking about, and this is why I feel comfortable using gh for 3 months then cutting it and introducing aas, I'm counting on this window where my body keeps making high levels of igf
very good
gh15 approved
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When you talk about these results....are talking about fat loss....or building muscle? Like if you take 4iu's for 4-6 months of human grade hgh....can you gain muscle on HGH alone? Casue Im working on getting enough dough to get human grade hgh...but Im not going to use any steroids any more. Like if I took just human grade hgh for 3 months at 4iu's a day what results could I expect?
you will lean out,, and your body will be primed and ready to develop the new fibers which you wont see yet....with anabolic steroids,, 2 months gh...then apply aas for 3 months and you got new size new lean size and you look lik ebodybuilder..this is the all secret behind bodybuild,, TIMING
gh15 approved
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When you talk about these results....are talking about fat loss....or building muscle? Like if you take 4iu's for 4-6 months of human grade hgh....can you gain muscle on HGH alone? Casue Im working on getting enough dough to get human grade hgh...but Im not going to use any steroids any more. Like if I took just human grade hgh for 3 months at 4iu's a day what results could I expect?
Pretty much what GH15 said in his post above. Somehow we've actually agreed on a few things lately. :)
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you will lean out,, and your body will be primed and ready to develop the new fibers which you wont see yet....with anabolic steroids,, 2 months gh...then apply aas for 3 months and you got new size new lean size and you look lik ebodybuilder..this is the all secret behind bodybuild,, TIMING
gh15 approved
So do you stop the gh after two months, then take the aas...or are you saying take gh for two months then add aas, but still continue taking gh???
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depend on how much money you got,, the ones with money do both and get more advance in moden bodybuild as in they will go on to compete 220 on stage insted of your 194 lb on stage,, it is all what you can afford to spend,,
now if you are good bodybuild you with your 194lb on stage will wipe floor with the 220lb fella and win the over all ....thats what bodybuild with promising future does...
gh15 approved
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run at leat 6IU no less. At this dose your hands should seem to have a numbness to them.If you get that numb feeling you have quality HGH. humatrope always will make your hands numb.If any HGH stings or gives you a welt its crap. I have heard complaints on sites about people getting a stinging sensation or a welt after injecting those blue tops.HGH should be smooth no stinging or welts!
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what are your thoughts where gh15 says you need to cycle off gh like Kevin did? Do these guys really come off gh at any point in their career? I was suprised to hear this.
i dont think gh15 said you need to cycle off. if he did i disagree with that. it may be a smart thing to do financially since there is some truth to the idea that you still get benefits from GH even after you cease use, but consistant use will provide better results, even if only moderately so.
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the best gh I have ever use thanktropin , I use so many other gh but cant compare, I start notice result on the 3rt day my stamina went through the roof, I don't feel tire at all, other gh makes me feel tire, couse of the water retention
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^ very good gh,, thats correct,, very stable for many years,, and done by legit company that risk alot for bodybuilders aroudn the world,, they do very good gh
gh15 approved
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the best gh I have ever use thanktropin , I use so many other gh but cant compare, I start notice result on the 3rt day my stamina went through the roof, I don't feel tire at all, other gh makes me feel tire, couse of the water retention
the thanktropin blows away the ND blues, and it's only a few more bucks.
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what are everyone's thoughts on ripstropin? I'm using them now and getting the brutally sore wrists and used to get numb hands. 5iu every day
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I have use riptropin before 10iu a/day and is a dog piss in the bottle, for that money i spend i better went with kigtropin or thanktropin
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the thanktropin blows away the ND blues, and it's only a few more bucks.
They're almost 1.5X the cost, are they really that much better? What about the Novotropin, what's the difference between those and Blues?
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NOVOS ARE GOOD.IM HAPPY SO FAR WITH THEM.
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the thanktropin blows away the ND blues, and it's only a few more bucks.
A FEW?
ITS QUITE A BIT BRO. BUY 5 KITS,THAT'S A $200 DIFFERENCE.200 GETS ME ANOTHER 90 OR SO IU OF NOVO'S.
AND THESE NOVOS ARE GOOD.ILL TRY OUT THANKS IN THE EARLY 2012 BUT NOVO AT 4IU/ED SO FAR...BEEN LIKE 15-16 DAYS, NOTHING EARTH SHATTERING BUT MY SHOULDERS ARE MORE CUPPED, I NEED MORE CARBS(SOMETHING I USUALLY SUFFER WITH) AND OVERALL CALORIES TO FILL OUT, AND I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO TAKE ALL 4IU FASTED PRE-WORKOUT...SHITS AWESOME IN THAT WAY.
STARTED THAT ABOUT A FEW DAYS AGO. GIVE ME ANOTHER FEW WEEKS AND ILL REPORT MORE CHANGES, BUT I AM ONLY GETTING NAIL GROWTH FASTER,SHOULDERS, AND CALORIC INCREASE AS SIDES THUS FAR...WILL STAY ON 4IU ED.ALSO ON 500 TESTOVIRON DEPOT(SCHERING EUROPE).
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They're almost 1.5X the cost, are they really that much better? What about the Novotropin, what's the difference between those and Blues?
last i checked they were only 40 bucks or so more.
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I have use riptropin before 10iu a/day and is a dog piss in the bottle, for that money i spend i better went with kigtropin or thanktropin
should be the same price as most generic blue tops. There is no more legit Kigtropin left, and Thanktropin costs more, but I will agree with you that those are both a little better. I had similar results from Rips as I did with thanktropin, both gave me a ton of water retention, but nothing I couldnt control with my diet.
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last i checked they were only 40 bucks or so more.
That's a significant amount of the total cost.
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I have use riptropin before 10iu a/day and is a dog piss in the bottle, for that money i spend i better went with kigtropin or thanktropin
bboy used the same amount and swears by the Rips.
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bboy used the same amount and swears by the Rips.
that's because he knows what he is talking about. They are awesome. they will make you hold a shitload of water for the first couple weeks, though.
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That's a significant amount of the total cost.
yes, but it isn't 1.5x the amount like you said originally. I have heard good things about the novotropin, though and those are pretty much the same cost as the nd blues.
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he didn't say 1.5x he said almost 1.5x which is fucking true, you seriously gonna argue this bro, this is what ur hear for?
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he didn't say 1.5x he said almost 1.5x which is fucking true, you seriously gonna argue this bro, this is what ur hear for?
LOL.
Seriously though when you're running a kit a week it adds up.
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should be the same price as most generic blue tops. There is no more legit Kigtropin left, and Thanktropin costs more, but I will agree with you that those are both a little better. I had similar results from Rips as I did with thanktropin, both gave me a ton of water retention, but nothing I couldnt control with my diet.
hey bro can you elaborate on this? about no more legit kigs?
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as of now I DO NOT APPROVE ANY KIGTROPIN KITS OUT THERE UNTIL MY ELFS TELL ME OTHER WISE,, no more kigtropin that are legit acording to 2 elfs,, im waiting on my main 3 elfs that are pro bodyhbuild themselves to give me the final word,, will put it here,, as of now do not buy kigtropin!
gh15 approved
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NO THE KIGTROPIN FROM EMINENCE OR EMINEM OR WHATCHAMALLIT IS NOT GOOD.
EVEN THEN, WHY GO FOR THAT OVER NOVO OR ND...BOTH ARE CHEAPER, HECK THANKS ARE CHEAPER.
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NO THE KIGTROPIN FROM EMINENCE OR EMINEM OR WHATCHAMALLIT IS NOT GOOD.
EVEN THEN, WHY GO FOR THAT OVER NOVO OR ND...BOTH ARE CHEAPER, HECK THANKS ARE CHEAPER.
So Eminence is selling bunk HGH? That puts a big question mrk on his whoel line.
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he didn't say 1.5x he said almost 1.5x which is fucking true, you seriously gonna argue this bro, this is what ur hear for?
calm down. Anyway, I was wrong....It's only 25 bucks more a kit and for that amount I would say it is worth every extra penny you spend.
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THUNDERDOME!!!
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calm down. Anyway, I was wrong....It's only 25 bucks more a kit and for that amount I would say it is worth every extra penny you spend.
The Red Tops (Thanktropins) are $40.00 more than the NDs or Novos. $40 for more for one kit for a one time expense is not much. But if you are using a vial/day, 10ius/day that 3 kits per month. That's a difference between $380 and $500 per month when you include shipping. Starts to add up after a while. You can get a whole extra kit and some change if you go with the NDs over the red tops.
Off Nordic's site:
1kit=100iu
ND blues (most proven blues since 2004)
1.1usd/iu
thanktropin(highest purity)
1.5usd/iu
novotropin 1.1usd/iu
shipping/ins. 50usd
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The Red Tops (Thanktropins) are $40.00 more than the NDs or Novos. $40 for more for one kit for a one time expense is not much. But if you are using a vial/day, 10ius/day that 3 kits per month. That's a difference between $380 and $500 per month when you include shipping. Starts to add up after a while. You can get a whole extra kit and some change if you go with the NDs over the red tops.
Off Nordic's site:
1kit=100iu
ND blues (most proven blues since 2004)
1.1usd/iu
thanktropin(highest purity)
1.5usd/iu
novotropin 1.1usd/iu
shipping/ins. 50usd
I was looking at the domestic option where the price diff. is 25 bucks.. For 150, you damn well better be getting the red tops.
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bboy used the same amount and swears by the Rips.
Rips legit, but thanks are better
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don't be cheap buy what works and is proven and tested. if you have to wait and save more money than do it. dont jump the gun and buy some HGH you are not happy with. in the end you will be glad you paid that extra 50$.
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Rips legit, but thanks are better
much better,, rips is not approved by me,, thanktropin approved already 5 years,, thanktropin give you silent qality results with out lalot of spalsh,, you hav ethe sides but they are not interfering with the look,, it is good gh equivalent to pharma gh,,
gh15 approved
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ONLY with nordic gh i fellas consistantly comment on how they want to look like you ,, you know the famous sentence common to all wanna be,, hey chief i want to look JUST LIKE YOU one day ,, <-you know this sentence im sure,,this sentence always heard on nordic gh ,, always,,always impressive look even at the 210-220lb zone always impressive cupped 3 dimentional ,, with trenbolona it is a look of a high level competetvive bodybuild and its up to you to take it from there my friends
gh15 approved
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as of now I DO NOT APPROVE ANY KIGTROPIN KITS OUT THERE UNTIL MY ELFS TELL ME OTHER WISE,, no more kigtropin that are legit acording to 2 elfs,, im waiting on my main 3 elfs that are pro bodyhbuild themselves to give me the final word,, will put it here,, as of now do not buy kigtropin!
gh15 approved
why do you call them elfs? If a pro bodybuilder read this thread and saw you refer to them as elfs I doubt they would appreciate that. just wondering why you cant call them waiting for a few friends of mine to get back to me or a few of my pro BB homies to get back to me?
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because they are elfs ,,
in chrismass i leave my greenland and drag my long grey beard and glasses and fly from country to country leave all bodybuild presents ,, my elfs wrap it and test it for me so i dont dissapoint the bodybuildrs
thats why they are known as elfs ,, they do gods work
gh15 approved
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because they are elfs ,,
in chrismass i leave my greenland and drag my long grey beard and glasses and fly from country to country leave all bodybuild presents ,, my elfs wrap it and test it for me so i dont dissapoint the bodybuildrs
thats why they are known as elfs ,, they do gods work
gh15 approved
With gh15 everyday is Christmas. Thanks Santa.
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much better,, rips is not approved by me,, thanktropin approved already 5 years,, thanktropin give you silent qality results with out lalot of spalsh,, you hav ethe sides but they are not interfering with the look,, it is good gh equivalent to pharma gh,,
gh15 approved
what's wrong with rips? other than the poster at the top of the page, I have heard nothing but great things about them
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what's wrong with rips? other than the poster at the top of the page, I have heard nothing but great things about them
There is nothing wrong with them. It's great GH and it's not expensive.
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what's wrong with rips? other than the poster at the top of the page, I have heard nothing but great things about them
lots of fakes,, too mcuh water retrntion,,its not consistant ,, its just strogn because side effect are strogn,,yes some get quality but again you cnat live with some get wuality and somem get balonie,, has to be consistancy ,, rips doesnt have consistancy and thus not approved
gh15 approved
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Is 5 kits for 1,500 dollars a good price?
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Is 5 kits for 1,500 dollars a good price?
FUCK NO.$300 A KIT? U BETTER BE HIGH ROLLIN.
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Is 5 kits for 1,500 dollars a good price?
You can get 10 kits of shitty blue tops for that $$$$$$$$$
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lots of fakes,, too mcuh water retrntion,,its not consistant ,, its just strogn because side effect are strogn,,yes some get quality but again you cnat live with some get wuality and somem get balonie,, has to be consistancy ,, rips doesnt have consistancy and thus not approved
gh15 approved
cant you atleast narrow down and just approve rips from simpson fella? these should be atleast stamped approved since source is one of the best and been around, top notch service, dont you agree gh15? it is in the bible this man is approved by u
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cant you atleast narrow down and just approve rips from simpson fella? these should be atleast stamped approved since source is one of the best and been around, top notch service, dont you agree gh15? it is in the bible this man is approved by u
anything from HK is good.
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anything from HK is good.
I agree... he is the man in my opinion
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You can get 10 kits of shitty blue tops for that $$$$$$$$$
Is this Blue tops realy hgh or this all just bunk money scheme?
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yes homer is ok ,, longtime in busines,,but! it is easy to fake generic and just say it is riptropin and you et fucked up water retention ,, make sure you stick with the source not his friends not his ucles not his representative ,, the source himself and only the source himself
gh15 approved
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Is this Blue tops realy hgh or this all just bunk money scheme?
their all in it for the money!blue tops,brown tops, red tops , yellow tops its all the same crew giving the kits diffrent names. this is just a plot to make alot of money! Its a poor mans HGH. Humatrope is where its at.I am not saying its all crap but its a big gamble ordering those kits.
what do you honestly think? these guys selling these kits pay 50$ for them.
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Is this Blue tops realy hgh or this all just bunk money scheme?
their all in it for the money!blue tops,brown tops, red tops , yellow tops its all the same crew giving the kits diffrent names. this is just a plot to make alot of money! Its a poor mans HGH. Humatrope is where its at.I am not saying its all crap but its a big gamble ordering those kits.
Is there any business that's not out to make a profit? Humatrope is what $15.00/iu. At just a replacement dose of 2iu/day you're already at $900/month. And if mutation dose starts at 10iu now were at $4,500/month. You can live in a pretty nice house for that kind of monthly dough.
Do you use Humatrope?
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Is there any business that's not out to make a profit? Humatrope is what $15.00/iu. At just a replacement dose of 2iu/day you're already at $900/month. And if mutation dose starts at 10iu now were at $4,500/month. You can live in a pretty nice house for that kind of monthly dough.
Do you use Humatrope?
that was my addition not megamans you can find guys who can get scipts for HGH and also doctors who prescribe it. if you have good insurance you sometimes can get serostim for a pretty low co-pay. HGH is expensive and if you do not compete I think the generics are the real only choice for someone who is just a gymrat. in this case just do your research and go with what gets the best feedback i have heard good things about thanktropin and its been around for a while if I had to use a generic id use that generic. but most amateurs and pros are out to get serostim. take palumbo as an example he would always be looking for serostim. to the point where who started buying bunk because he was to obsessed with using just serpstim and humatrope. so the pros really do try to use serostim or humatrope.
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that was my addition not megamans you can find guys who can get scipts for HGH and also doctors who prescribe it. if you have good insurance you sometimes can get serostim for a pretty low co-pay. HGH is expensive and if you do not compete I think the generics are the real only choice for someone who is just a gymrat. in this case just do your research and go with what gets the best feedback i have heard good things about thanktropin and its been around for a while if I had to use a generic id use that generic. but most amateurs and pros are out to get serostim. take palumbo as an example he would always be looking for serostim. to the point where who started buying bunk because he was to obsessed with using just serpstim and humatrope. so the pros really do try to use serostim or humatrope.
So you think the Thanktropins is acutally HGH?....
I never tried HGH before and thought about trying the generics....But a buddy told me that all generic HGH is just some fake stuff that make u feel the sides of HGH so you thinks its real.
So you think the Thanktropins is acutally HGH?....
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So you think the Thanktropins is acutally HGH?....
I never tried HGH before and thought about trying the generics....But a buddy told me that all generic HGH is just some fake stuff that make u feel the sides of HGH so you thinks its real.
So you think the Thanktropins is acutally HGH?....
well I have heard good things about thanktropin and its been around for awhile but honestly I am only going to use humatrope or serostim. anything usa FDA approved. all the chinese generic HGH is coming mainly from the same chem house they just produce it and give it diffrent names. there are a few chinese crews doing this so quality could be diffrent depending on the supplier I know how cheap the suppliers buy it for in bulk and its dirt cheap like 50$ per kit so without a COA (certificate of analysis) you will not know if its real 191 -AA HGH or not. I know top amateurs and pros are always trying to get serostim or humatrope. the chinese generics are the last thing they want to use. the blue top qulaity has been hit and miss for years people getting stinging sensations when injected and welts. things that should not happen when using HGH.these kits are mainly for people on a budget but still want to use HGH weather its real 191AA or not they will use it.Any real american FDA approved HGH is expensive if you have to pay out of pocket. If you know someone who can get HGH prescribed and has good insurance the co-pay is less than what one of those chinese kits cost.Some doctors mainly foreign who take walk in patients who pay cash usually will write you a script for anything where I am from
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well I have heard good things about thanktropin and its been around for awhile but honestly I am only going to use humatrope or serostim. anything usa FDA approved. all the chinese generic HGH is coming mainly from the same chem house they just produce it and give it diffrent names. there are a few chinese crews doing this so quality could be diffrent depending on the supplier I know how cheap the suppliers buy it for in bulk and its dirt cheap like 50$ per kit so without a COA (certificate of analysis) you will not know if its real 191 -AA HGH or not. I know top amateurs and pros are always trying to get serostim or humatrope. the chinese generics are the last thing they want to use. the blue top qulaity has been hit and miss for years people getting stinging sensations when injected and welts. things that should not happen when using HGH.these kits are mainly for people on a budget but still want to use HGH weather its real 191AA or not they will use it.Any real american FDA approved HGH is expensive if you have to pay out of pocket. If you know someone who can get HGH prescribed and has good insurance the co-pay is less than what one of those chinese kits cost.Some doctors mainly foreign who take walk in patients who pay cash usually will write you a script for anything where I am from
some of the generics are very good, but at the same time there are plenty of shit ones. the trick is to let someone else be the guinea pig!
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some of the generics are very good, but at the same time there are plenty of shit ones. the trick is to let someone else be the guinea pig!
yes thats the best idea. I wish SRCS(san rafael chemical services) still did testing for the public. they got raided by the dEA during operation raw deal and were told not to test for anybody but LE. they were cheap 100$ to get a lab analysis as long as it was not sust since sust has 4 esters that was way more. not sure how much they charged for HGH.somebody has to know of a new place I know william llewellyn still gets tests done. Id like his opinion on these chinese kits.
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yes thats the best idea. I wish SRCS(san rafael chemical services) still did testing for the public. they got raided by the dEA during operation raw deal and were told not to test for anybody but LE. they were cheap 100$ to get a lab analysis as long as it was not sust since sust has 4 esters that was way more. not sure how much they charged for HGH.somebody has to know of a new place I know william llewellyn still gets tests done. Id like his opinion on these chinese kits.
I miss Llewellyn's site. Their forum just disappeared. RonnyT tested some Hyges both the pin wheel tops and the real ones (had 8iu stamped on the tops). Both tested as real HGH and on mark.
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yes thats the best idea. I wish SRCS(san rafael chemical services) still did testing for the public. they got raided by the dEA during operation raw deal and were told not to test for anybody but LE. they were cheap 100$ to get a lab analysis as long as it was not sust since sust has 4 esters that was way more. not sure how much they charged for HGH.somebody has to know of a new place I know william llewellyn still gets tests done. Id like his opinion on these chinese kits.
LLewellyn's testing was biased.
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LLewellyn's testing was biased.
Elaborate? I'm interested.
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LLewellyn's testing was biased.
How? he used san rafael chemical services back when they did testing even you could of gotten a test done there. Im not sure who the hell he uses now.
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How? he used san rafael chemical services back when they did testing even you could of gotten a test done there. Im not sure who the hell he uses now.
him and Ronnie whats his name are heavily biased towards any products sold by NAPS gear.
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him and Ronnie whats his name are heavily biased towards any products sold by NAPS gear.
well they shoudlnt attack naps unless they have proof he is selling underdosed gear I do recall some bad batches of axio labs that I believe he sold and so did genx wich is no longer in biz. who knows the real story if anybody does please share.
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him and Ronnie whats his name are heavily biased towards any products sold by NAPS gear.
RonnyT was doing testing in the Netherlands. Bill had visited only a couple of times, IIRC. Catherine mentioned him traveling there but I don't think Bill had skewed the results in their testing. I have heard that RonnyT has been slanted, but Bill just wrote his books and capitalized on an area of interest in the anabolics subculture.
At the time of testing they had no affiliation with NAPS or anyone else for that matter. They had learned their lesson with the board sponsorship fiasco that I am not too familiar with (didn't really visit that board at the time, didn't care to dig up the threads either). She made a point of wanting to be completely impartial because of that black eye though. She said this many times over the phone and shared concerns about not giving leeway for any sort of accusations going forward. The UGL discussions on BoS demonstrated that there was a niche group that were interested in purchasing a book on the subject, so they put that product out there. Whatever samples they had acquired, RonnyT had tested. And they did not benefit from whatever the outcome of the testing was.
I'll say this though; despite not being involved in testing, nor being privy to anything about Bill's UGL book I was still contacted by at least a half dozen or more sources. Their shills, reps and owners all contacted me politely inquiring about the testing with an obvious agenda that can be smelled like fresh pile of shit being held up to my face. They claimed to be concerned about others sending in fake or bunk gear to exploit Bill's testing and get fake results published. They were eager to send specific samples from their labs directly so they could be tested. Bill and RonnyT acquired samples however they did and the results should have been taken with a grain of salt. This was transparent and not hidden.
I believe that what was sent in was whatever was floating around the market at the time. Maybe some bunk gear did get in there and maybe it could have had a damaging affect. But I definitely don't think Bill would have gone out of his way to secretly fake the results. He was concerned mainly with bacteria count, whether gear was dosed appropriately with the correct APIs and that the oils and solvents advertised were the ones they found in the gear. He never liked UGL gear and never recommended using it. If you've read any of his books or posts, anytime he mentioned UGLs he'd put a disclaimer about not personally recommending them and always advocating the use of HG gear (and to be mindful of the laws in your respected country, etc). He actually had quite a disdain for the UGL scene, but it was too popular to ignore and he put a book out about it.
Just my two cents. I think Bill and Catherine are wonderful people and I'd like to hope they're as good as I think they are.
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RonnyT was doing testing in the Netherlands. Bill had visited only a couple of times, IIRC. Catherine mentioned him traveling there but I don't think Bill had skewed the results in their testing. I have heard that RonnyT has been slanted, but Bill just wrote his books and capitalized on an area of interest in the anabolics subculture.
At the time of testing they had no affiliation with NAPS or anyone else for that matter. They had learned their lesson with the board sponsorship fiasco that I am not too familiar with (didn't really visit that board at the time, didn't care to dig up the threads either). She made a point of wanting to be completely impartial because of that black eye though. She said this many times over the phone and shared concerns about not giving leeway for any sort of accusations going forward. The UGL discussions on BoS demonstrated that there was a niche group that were interested in purchasing a book on the subject, so they put that product out there. Whatever samples they had acquired, RonnyT had tested. And they did not benefit from whatever the outcome of the testing was.
I'll say this though; despite not being involved in testing, nor being privy to anything about Bill's UGL book I was still contacted by at least a half dozen or more sources. Their shills, reps and owners all contacted me politely inquiring about the testing with an obvious agenda that can be smelled like fresh pile of shit being held up to my face. They claimed to be concerned about others sending in fake or bunk gear to exploit Bill's testing and get fake results published. They were eager to send specific samples from their labs directly so they could be tested. Bill and RonnyT acquired samples however they did and the results should have been taken with a grain of salt. This was transparent and not hidden.
I believe that what was sent in was whatever was floating around the market at the time. Maybe some bunk gear did get in there and maybe it could have had a damaging affect. But I definitely don't think Bill would have gone out of his way to secretly fake the results. He was concerned mainly with bacteria count, whether gear was dosed appropriately with the correct APIs and that the oils and solvents advertised were the ones they found in the gear. He never liked UGL gear and never recommended using it. If you've read any of his books or posts, anytime he mentioned UGLs he'd put a disclaimer about not personally recommending them and always advocating the use of HG gear (and to be mindful of the laws in your respected country, etc). He actually had quite a disdain for the UGL scene, but it was too popular to ignore and he put a book out about it.
Just my two cents. I think Bill and Catherine are wonderful people and I'd like to hope they're as good as I think they are.
That sounds accurate enough. I always thought those two were always in cahoots, though. Either way, I was always skeptical of those test results in the books.
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RonnyT was doing testing in the Netherlands. Bill had visited only a couple of times, IIRC. Catherine mentioned him traveling there but I don't think Bill had skewed the results in their testing. I have heard that RonnyT has been slanted, but Bill just wrote his books and capitalized on an area of interest in the anabolics subculture.
At the time of testing they had no affiliation with NAPS or anyone else for that matter. They had learned their lesson with the board sponsorship fiasco that I am not too familiar with (didn't really visit that board at the time, didn't care to dig up the threads either). She made a point of wanting to be completely impartial because of that black eye though. She said this many times over the phone and shared concerns about not giving leeway for any sort of accusations going forward. The UGL discussions on BoS demonstrated that there was a niche group that were interested in purchasing a book on the subject, so they put that product out there. Whatever samples they had acquired, RonnyT had tested. And they did not benefit from whatever the outcome of the testing was.
I'll say this though; despite not being involved in testing, nor being privy to anything about Bill's UGL book I was still contacted by at least a half dozen or more sources. Their shills, reps and owners all contacted me politely inquiring about the testing with an obvious agenda that can be smelled like fresh pile of shit being held up to my face. They claimed to be concerned about others sending in fake or bunk gear to exploit Bill's testing and get fake results published. They were eager to send specific samples from their labs directly so they could be tested. Bill and RonnyT acquired samples however they did and the results should have been taken with a grain of salt. This was transparent and not hidden.
I believe that what was sent in was whatever was floating around the market at the time. Maybe some bunk gear did get in there and maybe it could have had a damaging affect. But I definitely don't think Bill would have gone out of his way to secretly fake the results. He was concerned mainly with bacteria count, whether gear was dosed appropriately with the correct APIs and that the oils and solvents advertised were the ones they found in the gear. He never liked UGL gear and never recommended using it. If you've read any of his books or posts, anytime he mentioned UGLs he'd put a disclaimer about not personally recommending them and always advocating the use of HG gear (and to be mindful of the laws in your respected country, etc). He actually had quite a disdain for the UGL scene, but it was too popular to ignore and he put a book out about it.
Just my two cents. I think Bill and Catherine are wonderful people and I'd like to hope they're as good as I think they are.
RonnyT is a female?
You're right, RonnyT had no affliations with Naps when the results on the Hyges pinwheel tops and the genuine Hyges. I think it's only when he started his board that Naps became a sponsor.
The testing was done a least over a year since the HGH was tested.
So what happened to the BOS forum?
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RonnyT is a female?
You're right, RonnyT had no affliations with Naps when the results on the Hyges pinwheel tops and the genuine Hyges. I think it's only when he started his board that Naps became a sponsor.
The testing was done a least over a year since the HGH was tested.
So what happened to the BOS forum?
body of science kept getting hacked so they just gave up on it. That juiced muscle board sucks. Body of science had a great forum.
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Is the genotropin aqx good hgh comes in 30iu/10mg cartridges, made by biogen
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how do i find nordic's site help plz
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its private,,gotta hang around for a while more posts,,,gotta be safe :)
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how do i find nordic's site help plz
bump
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if you can't find nordic you aren't important
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if u run 4 to 5 iu's gh whats the best way to use slin with it try to not get bloofy
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insulin 30 mins after hgh
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post workout ?
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if you can't find nordic you aren't important
hahaha that's tore up
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pre and post, also waxy maize is made exactly for eating with ur insulin... the timing of gh and insulin and waxy maize are all very critical, it's why bodybuilders have no lives. The injecting for aas once a day is nothing compared to insulin and hgh protocols
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if you can't find nordic you aren't important
Ouch!
The truth hurts. ;D
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how do i find nordic's site help plz
Since most people taking Nordic's HGH are men...
Put an add in Craigslist Men's section and say, "I'm looking for nordic's strong Black Tops"
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Since most people taking Nordic's HGH are men...
Put an add in Craigslist Men's section and say, "I'm looking for nordic's strong Black Tops"
I feel like ur setting me up for some kind of responce from craigs list that i wont really enjoy
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due to pupular demad,,this is gh15 curently approved hgh list as of jan 2 2011,,
this is a no argue list,,checked ,,verified,,confirmed,,next to each gh brand there will be its particular equivelent in ius to american gh iu for iu ,,the list is not in particular order all of the mentioned gh is legit gh approved by gh15 for usage,,the list is both brand names and labeled generics but again ALL LEGIT,,
1. serostim hgh - top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
2. humatrope hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
3. saizen hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
4. kigtropin hgh- top gh ***** 1iu = 1 iu
5. thanktropin hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1iu
6. nd hgh - top gh ***** 1iu = .8iu those are 8iu marked as 10 but still legit gh
the list will expend with more generics ,,this is now what gh15 is willing to confirm and give its stamp of approval due to the bunk operations that fake american eurpian and chinesase gh now days,,
the ones confirmed here are safe buy approved personaly by me,, do not i repeat DO NOT BUY ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL GH15 PERSONALY CONFIRM AND APPROVE IT ON THIS LIST,, THE LIST WILL EXPAND AS PROMISED ON A MONTHLY BASIS ALL THROUGH 2011
gh15 approved
You've been mentioning Hyges lately. Is it now approved? Is it just the Hyges from HK? Also, novos are also on the list, true? Any reports on HK's Rips? Seems some get good results on the Rips but it seems to vary according to source. It's Provider's that seem to get mixed results even though security numbers check out.
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DONT GO PROVIDER, GO HOMER.
I BELIEVE BEFORE GH15 APPROVED EVERYTHING FROM HOMER. BUT I NEED ONE OF GH15īS ELVES TO CHECK OUT SOMEONE ELSES HYGETROPINS. THEY ARE THE 8IU ONES WITH A SERIAL CODE TO MATCH.
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Have there been problems with DL lately been trying to pm and also email them but nothing back from them for at least a week? ??? ??? ???
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Have there been problems with DL lately been trying to pm and also email them but nothing back from them for at least a week? ??? ??? ???
got an email response from him today...sent mine yesterday, though, so don't know if he's had some issues earlier this week...
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Have there been problems with DL lately been trying to pm and also email them but nothing back from them for at least a week? ??? ??? ???
HE SHUT DOWN FOR THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAYS, JUST NEWLY BACK UP.
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Ok great so should here from him next week hopefully? ??? ???
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NO, HE IS UP AND RUNNIN NOW.
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so I have been wasting my money ordering Rips from the Provider?
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NAH NOT WASTING JUST NOT GETTING THE BEST DEAL U COULDVE.
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I feel like ur setting me up for some kind of responce from craigs list that i wont really enjoy
LoL...Mega Man wouldn't do that ;D
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NAH NOT WASTING JUST NOT GETTING THE BEST DEAL U COULDVE.
so you saying the Rips are GTG ?
I dont care about finding the rock bottom price as long as I am not getting ripped of buying bunk gear
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so you saying the Rips are GTG ?
I dont care about finding the rock bottom price as long as I am not getting ripped of buying bunk gear
Yes. ok, look here's the deal with hgh: there's only like, a dozen or so actual manufacturers of real hgh. if you have real legit rips then they only come from 1 place, so they will be the same quality unless the remailers store the hgh in an oven, then your rips are g2g. P is very good and reputable, people were using his rips IV without issue. you just have to watch out for counterfeits, anyone can put a fake label on a vial.
why are you asking though, if you ran them you will know very fast how potent they are, lol.
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Yes. ok, look here's the deal with hgh: there's only like, a dozen or so actual manufacturers of real hgh. if you have real legit rips then they only come from 1 place, so they will be the same quality unless the remailers store the hgh in an oven, then your rips are g2g. P is very good and reputable, people were using his rips IV without issue. you just have to watch out for counterfeits, anyone can put a fake label on a vial.
why are you asking though, if you ran them you will know very fast how potent they are, lol.
because I ran them for 6 months and noticed NOTHING.
Started
2iu --- nothing
4iu --- nothing
6iu --- some minor water bloat
8iu --- same minor water bloat
10iu --- very mild CTS and hand numbness
Went up and down from 4iu to 10iu ED for 6 months. Kept calories at maintenance as the 6 months previous to starting RIPS so I had a base diet to compare it to. This was I could see if the HGH did anything. Strength was the same, weight was the same, body fat levels same after 6 months on RIPS from P.
I know I have very sh*tty genetics but damn....
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what else were you running with the hgh? they work well for me, notice fat loss and increased vascularity within a few days.
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because I ran them for 6 months and noticed NOTHING.
Started
2iu --- nothing
4iu --- nothing
6iu --- some minor water bloat
8iu --- same minor water bloat
10iu --- very mild CTS and hand numbness
Went up and down from 4iu to 10iu ED for 6 months. Kept calories at maintenance as the 6 months previous to starting RIPS so I had a base diet to compare it to. This was I could see if the HGH did anything. Strength was the same, weight was the same, body fat levels same after 6 months on RIPS from P.
I know I have very sh*tty genetics but damn....
bunk gh ,, hgh is genetics in a bottle ,, you dont need genetic with hgh ,, what is this all talk about genetic balonie,, genetic is nothing! with hgh genetic is nothing!! yes it nice muscle bellies will get you farther in chain of asdvance bodybuild...but! you can be profesional size as in lean conditioned size with legit gh and legit aas,, any one can! ,, hgh is genetic in a bottle
gh15 approved
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what else were you running with the hgh? they work well for me, notice fat loss and increased vascularity within a few days.
was on HRT @ 200mg/wk Test Cyp for 6 months prior so I just continued the 200mg/wk Test Cyp to see if adding Rips would change anything. I kept diet the same, workouts basically the same. Had complete blood work done before and after the HGH to make sure nothing was wrong with me.
Glad to hear you had great results... and so has everyone else that gets their Rips from P. I guess I just have bad luck..lol
Maybe I noticed nothing because I didnt take any T3/T4?
thanks
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gh reduces your t4 levels but reduces production of the enzyme that degrades t3 so you shouldnt get lower t3 levels from gh, and if you use t3 you will just increase catabolism and suppress your thyroid.
the issue was you ran trt dosage, you're not going to see much anabolism off trt dosage of test. next time run some more aas with your gh. tren + hgh will transform your physique into something amazing.
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Providers rips are potent. Increased vascularity and tight pumps are common with his gh
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Providers rips are potent. Increased vascularity and tight pumps are common with his gh
not acording to elf palius,, his water retention was beyond recognizable ,, he puffed all over like never beforee and trust me he would knwo the diff betwen just some water and all out puff doll where you cant see your own ankles
gh15 approved
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not acording to elf palius,, his water retention was beyond recognizable ,, he puffed all over like never beforee and trust me he would knwo the diff betwen just some water and all out puff doll where you cant see your own ankles
gh15 approved
A LOT of people, even on professionalmuscle.com, seem to be reporting that water retention is a big problem with rips.
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not acording to elf palius,, his water retention was beyond recognizable ,, he puffed all over like never beforee and trust me he would knwo the diff betwen just some water and all out puff doll where you cant see your own ankles
gh15 approved
i used those for 4 months at 10iu's a day and the water retention was ridiculous the first 4 weeks, but it dropped off sharply after that. These rips are the most potent chinese gh i have used to date (and i have used 8 different kinds).
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i used those for 4 months at 10iu's a day and the water retention was ridiculous the first 4 weeks, but it dropped off sharply after that. These rips are the most potent chinese gh i have used to date (and i have used 8 different kinds).
im going to nominate elf to do a specific test on this rips ,, i want my best elf to do it but elf is floded with otehr gh ,, so i will let another elf do it he is top too ,, i do believe you when you say water faded away after week 4-5 for this is who legit gh work ,, i need to check into it and see if it similar to kigtropin i realy do ,, will do it soon
gh15 approved
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not acording to elf palius,, his water retention was beyond recognizable ,, he puffed all over like never beforee and trust me he would knwo the diff betwen just some water and all out puff doll where you cant see your own ankles
gh15 approved
gh15, i had very high water retention off of the rips, very bloated moonface but not to the point of swollen ankles. had increase in vascularity and a lot of fat loss with it so definitely worked well. water retention is high though, yes.
10-15iu a day, was dosage. varied on days depending on how i felt and what i did but over 10 on every day.
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Anyone have info on this? i was tood 20iu per vial.
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yes on kigtropin back in the day when i prsonaly tried there was bgi water retention with all the benefit of gh ,,,majority of the water faded and left you with noticable increase in lean muscle that was very clean cut muscle,, this was when kigtropin first came out ,, then this time around from elfs i hear there is minimal water retention with only benefit ,, they imroved to pharm grade,,
i suspect the riptropin is like kigtropin circa 09 ,, but i ned elf to check on it ,, we wil see
i do believe you it is good gh ,, many fellas say it is good gh the one who get it from homer all pm me saying real deal ,, they wont just lie ,, they dont even know eachother ,, they ask why i dont mention it ,, we will see ,, ill put elf on it
gh15 approved
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yes on kigtropin back in the day when i prsonaly tried there was bgi water retention with all the benefit of gh ,,,majority of the water faded and left you with noticable increase in lean muscle that was very clean cut muscle,, this was when kigtropin first came out ,, then this time around from elfs i hear there is minimal water retention with only benefit ,, they imroved to pharm grade,,
i suspect the riptropin is like kigtropin circa 09 ,, but i ned elf to check on it ,, we wil see
i do believe you it is good gh ,, many fellas say it is good gh the one who get it from homer all pm me saying real deal ,, they wont just lie ,, they dont even know eachother ,, they ask why i dont mention it ,, we will see ,, ill put elf on it
gh15 approved
If it possible get your elf to try it from P not from Homer, so if the elf approve it from P it will be also 100% approved from homer
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If it possible get your elf to try it from P not from Homer, so if the elf approve it from P it will be also 100% approved from homer
It's the exact same product. as long as it's from either of those two, it's legit.
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I read that some sources are selling 4iu bottles and claim they are 10iu's.
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I read that some sources are selling 4iu bottles and claim they are 10iu's.
don't buy green tops unless they are eli's
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what about kami kigs??
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gh15 what about zenosim from novocrine?Running their tren and test and they are awesome,high quality.
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my guess the zenosim sucks,,,it claims to be hg,,,but a little research,,just another UG gh,,,trying to pose as hg,,,shady,,but i never used or heard no feedback so who knows...
my question,,,goes gh give best effects when run with high test? i am doign the gh15 bodybuilding for poor protocol,,,i started at 900mg eq,,,then threw in tren,,,,,and at day 50 i will bump up the test E...am i just priming now and the best results will come when the test e is bumped up? im using novos and not very impressed,,,,,,putting on some fat while on Gh and tren,,,diet is clean,,,just added calories (2oz chicken to each meal),,,and softened up a bit
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my guess the zenosim sucks,,,it claims to be hg,,,but a little research,,just another UG gh,,,trying to pose as hg,,,shady,,but i never used or heard no feedback so who knows...
my question,,,goes gh give best effects when run with high test? i am doign the gh15 bodybuilding for poor protocol,,,i started at 900mg eq,,,then threw in tren,,,,,and at day 50 i will bump up the test E...am i just priming now and the best results will come when the test e is bumped up? im using novos and not very impressed,,,,,,putting on some fat while on Gh and tren,,,diet is clean,,,just added calories (2oz chicken to each meal),,,and softened up a bit
no tfat on novotopin,, only water,, you dont put fat on hgh ,, not possible ,, novotropin is legit just not pharm grade level,,what you put is a layer of water while you become 3 dimentional,, its not fat
gh15 approved
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my guess the zenosim sucks,,,it claims to be hg,,,but a little research,,just another UG gh,,,trying to pose as hg,,,shady,,but i never used or heard no feedback so who knows...
my question,,,goes gh give best effects when run with high test? i am doign the gh15 bodybuilding for poor protocol,,,i started at 900mg eq,,,then threw in tren,,,,,and at day 50 i will bump up the test E...am i just priming now and the best results will come when the test e is bumped up? im using novos and not very impressed,,,,,,putting on some fat while on Gh and tren,,,diet is clean,,,just added calories (2oz chicken to each meal),,,and softened up a bit
10 days after you drop that gh, you are going to be amazed at what you see in the mirror.
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10 days after you drop that gh, you are going to be amazed at what you see in the mirror.
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gh15 approved
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gh15 will you please answer my question on kami and kigs thanks
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is that a typo - supposed to be Norvotrop? ??? ???
Nope, completely different..... Norvotrop seems to be offered exclusively to canadians ::)
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Talking about these prices and sources publicly is a STUPIDDDDDD IDEAAAAAA.
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good way of getting the thread deleted keep it to pms
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thanks u guys,,,i am def seeing the 3 dimensional look i have never had before from this protocol,,,,first thing i noticed my traps are bulging like never before,,it is noticable even in clothes,,,and also the chest,,,,the seperation of my pecs is getting very deep,,,and the delts are getting that blowed out look,,,,big and round delts,,,despite my genetics for poor delts,,,
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thanks u guys,,,i am def seeing the 3 dimensional look i have never had before from this protocol,,,,first thing i noticed my traps are bulging like never before,,it is noticable even in clothes,,,and also the chest,,,,the seperation of my pecs is getting very deep,,,and the delts are getting that blowed out look,,,,big and round delts,,,despite my genetics for poor delts,,,
WHICH GH U USING AGAIN? NOVOS?
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thanks u guys,,,i am def seeing the 3 dimensional look i have never had before from this protocol,,,,first thing i noticed my traps are bulging like never before,,it is noticable even in clothes,,,and also the chest,,,,the seperation of my pecs is getting very deep,,,and the delts are getting that blowed out look,,,,big and round delts,,,despite my genetics for poor delts,,,
Also, what dose? You probably mentioned it before. Was it 5 iu?
LOL! gh15 bringing back traffic to the once dying steroid board.
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running novos,,,,5iu 3 days a week (off days and leg day), and 18 iu on workout days (back chest shoulders arms)...so 4 days at 18iu,,,im on 900mg eq,,,hrt dose test e,,,and 350mg tren ace,,,,put on about 10-15lbs,,,only added 10z of meat per day per meal,,,the rest of the weight is the gh and or hormones,,do look much bigger and fuller,,,i think a little fater but like gh15 said,,,could be water,,,i have worst genetics for puttin on fat,,,,but im def mutatationg,,,,traps are jumping up as are rear delts,,,,,im not as vasular in arms as i was off cycle with suprising,,,again maybe the water blurring,,,,i have 0 sides from the tren and gh which i strange,,,no tingling or night sweats,,,but im not a big sides person meaning i dont get many,,,but the scale is shooting up with only TRT dose E ,,,just on EQ and tren,,,,and 10oz more meat per day spread over 6 meals,,,im def gaining more following gh15 on this cycle then i gained on peptides and doggy crapp training and hormones that were most likely bunk,,,over the years....so 4 months on gh15 advice///reccomended sources put on more size for me then years of doing it the wrong way,,,,just wish i didnt have a torn labrum in my hsoulder i could lift heavier and reach my full potential
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running novos,,,,5iu 3 days a week (off days and leg day), and 18 iu on workout days (back chest shoulders arms)...so 4 days at 18iu,,,im on 900mg eq,,,hrt dose test e,,,and 350mg tren ace,,,,put on about 10-15lbs,,,only added 10z of meat per day per meal,,,the rest of the weight is the gh and or hormones,,do look much bigger and fuller,,,i think a little fater but like gh15 said,,,could be water,,,i have worst genetics for puttin on fat,,,,but im def mutatationg,,,,traps are jumping up as are rear delts,,,,,im not as vasular in arms as i was off cycle with suprising,,,again maybe the water blurring,,,,i have 0 sides from the tren and gh which i strange,,,no tingling or night sweats,,,but im not a big sides person meaning i dont get many,,,but the scale is shooting up with only TRT dose E ,,,just on EQ and tren,,,,and 10oz more meat per day spread over 6 meals,,,im def gaining more following gh15 on this cycle then i gained on peptides and doggy crapp training and hormones that were most likely bunk,,,over the years....so 4 months on gh15 advice///reccomended sources put on more size for me then years of doing it the wrong way,,,,just wish i didnt have a torn labrum in my hsoulder i could lift heavier and reach my full potential
Something is wrong...
what your diet looks like?
also try to add 50mg masteron eod for a week and see what happens
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thanks u guys,,,i am def seeing the 3 dimensional look i have never had before from this protocol,,,,first thing i noticed my traps are bulging like never before,,it is noticable even in clothes,,,and also the chest,,,,the seperation of my pecs is getting very deep,,,and the delts are getting that blowed out look,,,,big and round delts,,,despite my genetics for poor delts,,,
wait unil you lose it ,, world of depresion,, you dont lose it al you just become this big fella again ,, the gym rat fella all steroid fella lol,, the loss of the 3 dimentional lean look is our nitmare lol
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Something is wrong...
what your diet looks like?
also try to add 50mg masteron eod for a week and see what happens
no no nothing ids wrong,, novotriopin make you hold water,, that take the veins and push them in ,, you see veins but only when pumped other ewize veins more burry under skin unless very very lean to begin with but as say theere is more water retention you can see it from the back,, the reason novotropin is legit gh ...is because that with this water retention come 2 thing
1,, 3 dimention look that you can see ,, you just gain lean muscle you can take picture with digital ad see ,, stand relax nothing special,, flex....and you see the lines come out and you see more lean muscle than before
2,, fat loss is there ,, water retention is there too so he mistake it for fat ,, it is only water,, fat loss is constant with novotropin
i will say here that you do need 8-10 iu a day for superb result with novotropin,,then again for bodybuild any gh usualy 5-6 iu shoudl be minium
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10iu Novotropin on off days, 15iu on training days. Vascularity is absolutely crazy although I started from very lean point. I lose 7-8 lbs overnight every night pissing every 60-90 minutes. Carpal tunnel is crazy bad, wrists and forearms hurt. Fingernails grow in 4 days. Doesn't matter what I eat, I'm bloated at night and sharp in the AM.
Have 4 more weeks of Novos left and then switching to Kigs at a comparable dose. Will update in my thread the results.
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10iu Novotropin on off days, 15iu on training days. Vascularity is absolutely crazy although I started from very lean point. I lose 7-8 lbs overnight every night pissing every 60-90 minutes. Carpal tunnel is crazy bad, wrists and forearms hurt. Fingernails grow in 4 days. Doesn't matter what I eat, I'm bloated at night and sharp in the AM.
Have 4 more weeks of Novos left and then switching to Kigs at a comparable dose. Will update in my thread the results.
I am on a much lower does than you (5 iu kigs 5 on 2 off), but I am getting the same side effects. The pissing is kind of annoying but I'll piss all day and all night in exchange for the results I am seeing.
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I have been running rips from the provider for about 6 months(between 5-10 iu)...had similar results at first...swollen hands,bloated face...but those went away in several weeks...def still causes some water retention but I have put on 15-18 pounds without any other changes... moderate dose test(6-800 mg wk) tren(300 mg/wk) body fat is basically the same without following any diet other than keeping protein high...of course carbs are up...even been eating ice-cream cookies etc...could never do that before without putting on fat..very carb sensitive
gh15, i had very high water retention off of the rips, very bloated moonface but not to the point of swollen ankles. had increase in vascularity and a lot of fat loss with it so definitely worked well. water retention is high though, yes.
10-15iu a day, was dosage. varied on days depending on how i felt and what i did but over 10 on every day.
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the pissing at night is most likely related to prostate. i would get up a couple times at night whenever i was on tren, would have very weak stream too. im ordering some novo's for my new cycle so ill let you guys know how they are compared to the nd blues and thanks. even though the price is good on kigs i would rather use novo's at say 7-8 iu than kigs at 5iu.
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the pissing at night is most likely related to prostate. i would get up a couple times at night whenever i was on tren, would have very weak stream too. im ordering some novo's for my new cycle so ill let you guys know how they are compared to the nd blues and thanks. even though the price is good on kigs i would rather use novo's at say 7-8 iu than kigs at 5iu.
can you elaborate on that last sentence a bit? I am interested in why you feel that way regarding a preference of 7-8iu of novo vs 5 iu kigs (doesn't make sense to me on the surface).
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the pissing at night is most likely related to prostate. i would get up a couple times at night whenever i was on tren, would have very weak stream too. im ordering some novo's for my new cycle so ill let you guys know how they are compared to the nd blues and thanks. even though the price is good on kigs i would rather use novo's at say 7-8 iu than kigs at 5iu.
Oh so my prostate makes me hold 8 lbs of water (a gallon+) which I piss out at night only? I don't think so. My piss stream could knock a cup off a table, not weak at all.
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Oh so my prostate makes me hold 8 lbs of water (a gallon+) which I piss out at night only? I don't think so. My piss stream could knock a cup off a table, not weak at all.
You look like a strong pisser and I respect that.
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Oh so my prostate makes me hold 8 lbs of water (a gallon+) which I piss out at night only? I don't think so. My piss stream could knock a cup off a table, not weak at all.
yeah, but can you use yours at one of those carnival games to hit a bullseye to blow up a balloon and win a stuffed animal? I didn't think so. *blows smoke off wang and holsters it*
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i too piss alot more on gh and tren than i used to....on the test (and sometiems cialis),,i wake and my dick is rock hard,,,makes it hard to piss and my piss is very week,,,and im not even at 50 day mark in phase 3,,,only on androgel test and 150mg prop per week,,,just alot of eq, tren, and some gh. sometimes my dick is so hard when i wake that i have to kneel down and press him on the toilet seat so he doesnt boing up,,,and beg him to piss and kinda pump it out by pressing down in squirts,,,maybe too much info but u get the idea,,,for some reason on this gh15 phase 3 combo not only my traps and delts have came to life but my dick too (on very little test so far)..i went through phases earler years where i had trouble with any libido,,,prolly related to following crappy mainstream cycles and using bunk garbage gear. amazing what a little legit icn and some legit hormones and gh can do for the body
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due to pupular demad,,this is gh15 curently approved hgh list as of jan 2 2011,,
this is a no argue list,,checked ,,verified,,confirmed,,next to each gh brand there will be its particular equivelent in ius to american gh iu for iu ,,the list is not in particular order all of the mentioned gh is legit gh approved by gh15 for usage,,the list is both brand names and labeled generics but again ALL LEGIT,,
1. serostim hgh - top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
2. humatrope hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
3. saizen hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1 iu
4. kigtropin hgh- top gh ***** 1iu = 1 iu
5. thanktropin hgh- top gh ***** 1 iu = 1iu
6. nd hgh - top gh ***** 1iu = .8iu those are 8iu marked as 10 but still legit gh
the list will expend with more generics ,,this is now what gh15 is willing to confirm and give its stamp of approval due to the bunk operations that fake american eurpian and chinesase gh now days,,
the ones confirmed here are safe buy approved personaly by me,, do not i repeat DO NOT BUY ANYTHING ELSE UNTIL GH15 PERSONALY CONFIRM AND APPROVE IT ON THIS LIST,, THE LIST WILL EXPAND AS PROMISED ON A MONTHLY BASIS ALL THROUGH 2011
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Hey brother, when are you going to ever put Homer's Riptropins on the list.....come on they are legit and work really well. I went from 205 to 180 since 3rd week Aug no cardio just training. I eat what I want to especially pizza, ice cream.....I am also on strange eq, test cyp and tren ace with 25mcg T3.....900mg test, 600mg eq and 100mg tren ace M-F.......It seem like I can't gain any weight when on HGH, no matter what I take so what should be next step?
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i too piss alot more on gh and tren than i used to....on the test (and sometiems cialis),,i wake and my dick is rock hard,,,makes it hard to piss and my piss is very week,,,and im not even at 50 day mark in phase 3,,,only on androgel test and 150mg prop per week,,,just alot of eq, tren, and some gh. sometimes my dick is so hard when i wake that i have to kneel down and press him on the toilet seat so he doesnt boing up,,,and beg him to piss and kinda pump it out by pressing down in squirts,,,maybe too much info but u get the idea,,,for some reason on this gh15 phase 3 combo not only my traps and delts have came to life but my dick too (on very little test so far)..i went through phases earler years where i had trouble with any libido,,,prolly related to following crappy mainstream cycles and using bunk garbage gear. amazing what a little legit icn and some legit hormones and gh can do for the body
Hahaha that is ridiculous!!! Holy shit!
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^^ this is what it's always been like for me :-X
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can you elaborate on that last sentence a bit? I am interested in why you feel that way regarding a preference of 7-8iu of novo vs 5 iu kigs (doesn't make sense to me on the surface).
i didnt do any exact math but novo's (sent intl) are nearly %50 cheaper than kigs. so i could run more for the same amount of $. but it doesn matter bc my novo supplier will only send remail to my zip code so they are both the same price for me now
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Oh so my prostate makes me hold 8 lbs of water (a gallon+) which I piss out at night only? I don't think so. My piss stream could knock a cup off a table, not weak at all.
not dissing your prostate health bro, i was simply relating my experience. gh is a helluva drug. do u really wake up 8 lbs lighter in the morning? i think the most ive woken up is around 4. i would go to sleep at 225 and wake up 221 (before ever using gh)
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i didnt do any exact math but novo's (sent intl) are nearly %50 cheaper than kigs. so i could run more for the same amount of $. but it doesn matter bc my novo supplier will only send remail to my zip code so they are both the same price for me now
IF U KNOW WHERE TO LOOK, KIGS AND NOVOS ARE THE SAME PRICE.
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not dissing your prostate health bro, i was simply relating my experience. gh is a helluva drug. do u really wake up 8 lbs lighter in the morning? i think the most ive woken up is around 4. i would go to sleep at 225 and wake up 221 (before ever using gh)
Between 6-8 lbs everynight. Last night I was sweating out a fever on top of that so I woke up 9 lbs lighter. I'm not on tren and reducing AAS doses to cruise levels at the moment so the only explanation is the gh.
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Between 6-8 lbs everynight. Last night I was sweating out a fever on top of that so I woke up 9 lbs lighter. I'm not on tren and reducing AAS doses to cruise levels at the moment so the only explanation is the gh.
Holy shit! that is alot of weight to drop in a night.
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Holy shit! that is alot of weight to drop in a night.
Only seems to happen when I'm lean. Water weight sticks during the day then reduces at night. When I was up over 10% bf, I'd just hold the water.
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shit,,,for me its 185 in the AM and 200 at night,,,not sure what my problem is but i do look kinda bloated on cycle and hgh (only hrt test though). i guess ive always been that way, do eat alot of food and drink 2 gallon h20 per day,,,but only 1.5g about in sodium