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Title: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: 240 is Back on October 07, 2008, 10:55:27 AM
Attn Getbiggers: Obama speaks out on steroids this morning!
By Ben Pershing (Published Today)

Sen. Barack Obama appeared to take a swipe at Sen. John McCain's activism on the subject of steroids in sports this morning, suggesting that the topic should not be a high priority for Congress or the federal government.

Appearing on ESPN Radio's "Mike & Mike in the Morning" program, Obama did not mention the Arizonan by name. But the Democratic presidential nominee did make clear that he would steer a different course than McCain has in the past when he was asked "how much government should be involved with sports and performance-enhancing drugs."

"I gotta admit that seeing a lot of congressional hearings around steroid use is not probably the best use of congressional time," Obama said

McCain has long been closely identified with efforts on the Hill to expose steroid use in baseball. In 2004, when McCain was chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, his panel held a high-profile hearing on the subject, and McCain's scrutiny helped force Major League Baseball owners to implement a new drug-testing policy.

McCain said the following year that the league "can't be trusted" to handle the issue on its own, and threatened to write legislation cracking down on performance-enhancing drugs. A House committee also held highly-publicized hearings on steroids in baseball in 2007.

But Obama suggested this morning there were more important things on which the government should focus.
Title: Re: Attn Getbiggers: Obama speaks out on steroids this morning!
Post by: Rimbaud on October 07, 2008, 10:56:23 AM
Wait a second...gh15 said McCain will legalize steroids.  ::)
Title: Re: Attn Getbiggers: Obama speaks out on steroids this morning!
Post by: MONSTER_TRICEPS on October 07, 2008, 10:58:50 AM
Wait a second...gh15 said McCain will legalize steroids.  ::)

Thanks gh15!
Title: Re: Attn Getbiggers: Obama speaks out on steroids this morning!
Post by: Rimbaud on October 07, 2008, 11:00:10 AM
Thanks gh15!

Liar...you're gh15.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Stavios on October 07, 2008, 11:01:17 AM
VOTE OBAMA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Attn Getbiggers: Obama speaks out on steroids this morning!
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 07, 2008, 11:01:40 AM
Wait a second...gh15 said McCain will legalize steroids.  ::)

He also said that mccain would actually win.

GH15 - douchebaggery at it's finest.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Stavios on October 07, 2008, 11:08:31 AM
I lost hope in DJ Fifteen
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Hereford on October 07, 2008, 11:12:05 AM
But what will Cynthia McKenny do?
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Option D on October 07, 2008, 11:14:54 AM
Attn Getbiggers: Obama speaks out on steroids this morning!
By Ben Pershing (Published Today)

Sen. Barack Obama appeared to take a swipe at Sen. John McCain's activism on the subject of steroids in sports this morning, suggesting that the topic should not be a high priority for Congress or the federal government.

Appearing on ESPN Radio's "Mike & Mike in the Morning" program, Obama did not mention the Arizonan by name. But the Democratic presidential nominee did make clear that he would steer a different course than McCain has in the past when he was asked "how much government should be involved with sports and performance-enhancing drugs."

"I gotta admit that seeing a lot of congressional hearings around steroid use is not probably the best use of congressional time," Obama said

McCain has long been closely identified with efforts on the Hill to expose steroid use in baseball. In 2004, when McCain was chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, his panel held a high-profile hearing on the subject, and McCain's scrutiny helped force Major League Baseball owners to implement a new drug-testing policy.

McCain said the following year that the league "can't be trusted" to handle the issue on its own, and threatened to write legislation cracking down on performance-enhancing drugs. A House committee also held highly-publicized hearings on steroids in baseball in 2007.

But Obama suggested this morning there were more important things on which the government should focus.


Obama for king of the world...HAHAHAHAHAHAHABI TCHESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Sss
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 07, 2008, 11:19:01 AM
VOTE OBAMA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

Sorry, I am canceling out your vote and plan to vote for McCain.   
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: 240 is Back on October 07, 2008, 11:19:55 AM
Pollster.com uses an aggregate collection of all poling data to reach an estimation on where this election is going.  

All summer they had it very close.  In early September, they had McCain leading by 20 electoral votes after choosing Palin.  Then, as the economy got worse and Palin showed herself to be less and less prepared to hold office, undecided voters started choosing Obama.

This is where we stand today.  A candidate needs 270 votes to win the job.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 07, 2008, 11:21:21 AM
Obama for king of the world...HAHAHAHAHAHAHABI TCHESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Sss

A lot of liberals look to Obama as their messiah and cult leader and cant wait for him to rule from the mountaintop like a dicatator.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 07, 2008, 11:25:39 AM
Pollster.com uses an aggregate collection of all poling data to reach an estimation on where this election is going.  

All summer they had it very close.  In early September, they had McCain leading by 20 electoral votes after choosing Palin.  Then, as the economy got worse and Palin showed herself to be less and less prepared to hold office, undecided voters started choosing Obama.

This is where we stand today.  A candidate needs 270 votes to win the job.


Obama is not winning North Carolina.  The polling is very skewed on the internals and they way over sampling democrats in these things. 

Look at the internals of these polls and you will see that they are polling dems a lot more than reps and are polling registered voters vs. likely voters.

At this point in 2004 many people had Kerry ahead when in the end it turned out otherwise massively by 2 million votes.  Even on election day many pollsters thought Kerry was going to win based on the exit polling.  Look how that turned out.

This race is going to be very tight and all McCain has to do is hold the Bush 2004 states to win.  Colorado and Ohio are the keys.   

Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Parker on October 07, 2008, 11:28:00 AM
Attn Getbiggers: Obama speaks out on steroids this morning!
By Ben Pershing (Published Today)

Sen. Barack Obama appeared to take a swipe at Sen. John McCain's activism on the subject of steroids in sports this morning, suggesting that the topic should not be a high priority for Congress or the federal government.

Appearing on ESPN Radio's "Mike & Mike in the Morning" program, Obama did not mention the Arizonan by name. But the Democratic presidential nominee did make clear that he would steer a different course than McCain has in the past when he was asked "how much government should be involved with sports and performance-enhancing drugs."

"I gotta admit that seeing a lot of congressional hearings around steroid use is not probably the best use of congressional time," Obama said

McCain has long been closely identified with efforts on the Hill to expose steroid use in baseball. In 2004, when McCain was chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, his panel held a high-profile hearing on the subject, and McCain's scrutiny helped force Major League Baseball owners to implement a new drug-testing policy.

McCain said the following year that the league "can't be trusted" to handle the issue on its own, and threatened to write legislation cracking down on performance-enhancing drugs. A House committee also held highly-publicized hearings on steroids in baseball in 2007.

But Obama suggested this morning there were more important things on which the government should focus.


Finally someone uses common sense! McCain  on this issue probably has the "say it Ain't So, Joe" outlook on sports, he and his constituents believe that  pro sports stars and pro sports  have to remain squeaky clean, because they rep' the All American boy image, and kids look up them. Well, hell, the Easter bunny and Santa Claus aren't real and Pro sports in about (mostly grown) men outdoing one another is a very physical and laborious event. And it's expected for them to do everything within reason to win---competition is only natural. That level playing field is for the birds and Commies.  It's time for Americans to wake up out of that dream world that everything is squeaky clean.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: The True Adonis on October 07, 2008, 11:31:41 AM
Obama is not winning North Carolina.  The polling is very skewed on the internals and they way over sampling democrats in these things. 

Look at the internals of these polls and you will see that they are polling dems a lot more than reps and are polling registered voters vs. likely voters.

At this point in 2004 many people had Kerry ahead when in the end it turned out otherwise massively by 2 million votes.  Even on election day many pollsters thought Kerry was going to win based on the exit polling.  Look how that turned out.

This race is going to be very tight and all McCain has to do is hold the Bush 2004 states to win.  Colorado and Ohio are the keys.   


OBAMA IS WINNING NC!

I live there and see and know it firsthand!
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 07, 2008, 11:37:16 AM
OBAMA IS WINNING NC!

I live there and see and know it firsthand!


Believe what you want.  North Carolina is being over sampled by the pollsters for dem voters.  This race is not going to be a blow out or landside as may of you seem to think.

Its going down to the wire and will be decided in either CO or Ohio. 

If Obama wins either of those, its over.    If McCain wins PA , he is going to win.

Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: 240 is Back on October 07, 2008, 11:40:53 AM
333386,

I'm sorry if you feel the results aren't accurate, but every single poll in these changed states had it tied, then a 1 or 2 point lead, and now some of them have inched up to 8 or 12 points.

Penn:
http://www.pollster.com/polls/pa/08-pa-pres-ge-mvo.php


At this point in 2004 many people had Kerry ahead

Sorry - 5 weeks out from the 2004 election, Bush had a healthy 5% lead in Gallup. 

You can say "many people", but the aggregate polling data at pollster.com includes all the major polls, and they're all saying the same thing.  FOX news even has obama up by 8 in Penn. 
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 07, 2008, 11:47:27 AM
333386,

I'm sorry if you feel the results aren't accurate, but every single poll in these changed states had it tied, then a 1 or 2 point lead, and now some of them have inched up to 8 or 12 points.

Penn:
http://www.pollster.com/polls/pa/08-pa-pres-ge-mvo.php


Sorry - 5 weeks out from the 2004 election, Bush had a healthy 5% lead in Gallup. 

You can say "many people", but the aggregate polling data at pollster.com includes all the major polls, and they're all saying the same thing.  FOX news even has obama up by 8 in Penn. 


Go check out Zogby. 

There is no polling outfit that has had aperfect record.  Some get it better in certain years than others.

BTW - many other outfits had Kerry up at this point.  Google it for yourself.

I hope the liberals think they have this in the bag since the GOTV will paly a much bigger role in the end.  Also, Gore picked up six point in the last two weeks due to the DWI issue,  only Zogby picked that up. 

I have no doubt Huessein is ahead at this point, but is is far from over and anyone who thinks it is should only remember election day of 2004 when the exit polls pointed to a huge Kerry vitctory. 
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: 240 is Back on October 07, 2008, 11:53:15 AM

Go check out Zogby. 

There is no polling outfit that has had aperfect record.  Some get it better in certain years than others.
BTW - many other outfits had Kerry up at this point.  Google it for yourself.
I hope the liberals think they have this in the bag since the GOTV will paly a much bigger role in the end.  Also, Gore picked up six point in the last two weeks due to the DWI issue,  only Zogby picked that up. 
I have no doubt Huessein is ahead at this point, but is is far from over and anyone who thinks it is should only remember election day of 2004 when the exit polls pointed to a huge Kerry vitctory. 

Did you just realize that mccain is very low on campaign $?

Once people realize he's going to lose, they stop donating, and it's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

There are currently NO polls that have mccain ahead.  None are even close.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 07, 2008, 11:56:26 AM
Did you just realize that mccain is very low on campaign $?

Once people realize he's going to lose, they stop donating, and it's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

There are currently NO polls that have mccain ahead.  None are even close.

Polls are not elections. 

Its the same as thinking the Angels were supposed to be the best and the Cubs were supposed to be the best.  Well, look at how that turned out.

Until the election is held, the polls are just guesses.

You also have the fact that many of these polls are based on landlines and many people simply dont have landlines anymore.  Many operate off of cell phones. 


Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: slayer on October 07, 2008, 11:59:49 AM
OBAMA IS WINNING NC!

I live there and see and know it firsthand!

Same in pa , total destruction over the last 3 weeks .
mcsame will be pulling out of here soon!
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: slayer on October 07, 2008, 12:02:35 PM
Polls are not elections. 

Its the same as thinking the Angels were supposed to be the best and the Cubs were supposed to be the best.  Well, look at how that turned out.

Until the election is held, the polls are just guesses.

You also have the fact that many of these polls are based on landlines and many people simply dont have landlines anymore.  Many operate off of cell phones. 


!

gotta love these idiots that hold on for dear life no matter what the odds against them are!
keep fighting , well ok dreaming 333386!
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: shootfighter1 on October 07, 2008, 12:08:54 PM
This has been discussed before.

Biden was all over the news with the baseball congressional hearings.  Biden is as big of an anti-steroids in sports guy as is McCain and Biden was one of the leaders urging congressional hearings.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: 240 is Back on October 07, 2008, 12:12:56 PM
This has been discussed before.

Biden was all over the news with the baseball congressional hearings.  Biden is as big of an anti-steroids in sports guy as is McCain and Biden was one of the leaders urging congressional hearings.

Biden and obama disagree on many issues, just as palin and mccain admit they do.

The name at the top of the ticket is the shot caller.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Benny B on October 07, 2008, 12:13:56 PM
This has been discussed before.

Biden was all over the news with the baseball congressional hearings.  Biden is as big of an anti-steroids in sports guy as is McCain and Biden was one of the leaders urging congressional hearings.
Biden will do his bosses' bidding as vp.


In other news, gh15 just hung himself.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 07, 2008, 12:15:16 PM
gotta love these idiots that hold on for dear life no matter what the odds against them are!
keep fighting , well ok dreaming 333386!

Ok.  Lets go back to 2004.  The polls showed it neck and neck and GWB actually won by 2 million votes.  In fact, the early exit polls seemed show that Kerry would win.

How did that turn out??????????
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: 240 is Back on October 07, 2008, 12:17:27 PM
Ok.  Lets go back to 2004.  The polls showed it neck and neck and GWB actually won by 2 million votes.  In fact, the early exit polls seemed show that Kerry would win.

How did that turn out??????????


CNN survey: Bush maintains Electoral College lead (September 30, 2004)

CORAL GABLES, Florida (CNN) -- George Bush continued to threaten John Kerry's grasp on several reliably Democratic states this week and solidified his lead in others, according to CNN's weekly Electoral College analysis conducted before Thursday night's first presidential debate.

Still, the analysis indicated Bush's lead in the all-important Electoral College was unchanged from last week.

If the election were held today, Bush would receive 301 electoral votes to Kerry's 237, according to a CNN survey based on state polling as well as interviews with campaign aides and independent analysts. A candidate wins the election with 270 electoral votes, regardless of the popular vote.

Bush leads in 33 states, including the country's entire southern rim (except California) and the mountain and the plains regions, the survey indicates. Kerry leads in the District of Columbia and 17 states, including the West Coast and most of the Northeast. The two candidates continue to battle for control of the industrial Midwest.

The CNN survey reflects national trends, which show Bush's average lead over Kerry virtually unchanged from last week. Bush has an average 5 percentage point lead in nationwide polls, according to a CNN review of public polling. Ten polls released over the past week, including the CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey, show between a 3- and 8-point lead for the president, who has remained slightly ahead of Kerry since the GOP convention ended in early September.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: freespirit on October 07, 2008, 12:18:17 PM
A lot of liberals look to Obama as their messiah and cult leader and cant wait for him to rule from the mountaintop like a dicatator.

Obama is a false prophet. He's not going to change anything for the benefit of Americans, and neither will  McCain.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on October 07, 2008, 12:18:41 PM
Attn Getbiggers: Obama speaks out on steroids this morning!
By Ben Pershing (Published Today)

Sen. Barack Obama appeared to take a swipe at Sen. John McCain's activism on the subject of steroids in sports this morning, suggesting that the topic should not be a high priority for Congress or the federal government.

"I gotta admit that seeing a lot of congressional hearings around steroid use is not probably the best use of congressional time," Obama said
 Obama suggested this morning there were more important things on which the government should focus.


this is exactly why i like this guy, he has common sense and has the right priorities.
congress dealing with former baseball players who may or may not have used the juice is the biggest joke/waste of time and money ever
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: shootfighter1 on October 07, 2008, 12:25:31 PM
For the GB record, Obama is completely correct on this issue.  Regardless of your opinion of illegal performance enhancing drug use, congress cannot waste time policing private sports leagues...plus it is so unimportant compared to hundreds of the nation's issues.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: BM OUT on October 07, 2008, 02:23:54 PM
Attn Getbiggers: Obama speaks out on steroids this morning!
By Ben Pershing (Published Today)

Sen. Barack Obama appeared to take a swipe at Sen. John McCain's activism on the subject of steroids in sports this morning, suggesting that the topic should not be a high priority for Congress or the federal government.

Appearing on ESPN Radio's "Mike & Mike in the Morning" program, Obama did not mention the Arizonan by name. But the Democratic presidential nominee did make clear that he would steer a different course than McCain has in the past when he was asked "how much government should be involved with sports and performance-enhancing drugs."

"I gotta admit that seeing a lot of congressional hearings around steroid use is not probably the best use of congressional time," Obama said

McCain has long been closely identified with efforts on the Hill to expose steroid use in baseball. In 2004, when McCain was chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, his panel held a high-profile hearing on the subject, and McCain's scrutiny helped force Major League Baseball owners to implement a new drug-testing policy.

McCain said the following year that the league "can't be trusted" to handle the issue on its own, and threatened to write legislation cracking down on performance-enhancing drugs. A House committee also held highly-publicized hearings on steroids in baseball in 2007.

But Obama suggested this morning there were more important things on which the government should focus.


Ummm,THE REASON steroids were made a controlled substance was because of Joe Biden.It was his commision that did it.It was him that stood up and said "there is something un-American ABOUT STEROIDS".They brought in 12 experts,each and every one said steroids should not be a controlled substance BUT it was Joe Biden who jammed it through anyway.So,Obama can say what he wants but it was his vp PICK THAT IS THE REASON that athletes are now seen as criminals for doing what needs to be done.Thanks Joe Biden.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: 240 is Back on October 07, 2008, 04:34:59 PM
Ummm,THE REASON steroids were made a controlled substance was because of Joe Biden.It was his commision that did it.It was him that stood up and said "there is something un-American ABOUT STEROIDS".They brought in 12 experts,each and every one said steroids should not be a controlled substance BUT it was Joe Biden who jammed it through anyway.So,Obama can say what he wants but it was his vp PICK THAT IS THE REASON that athletes are now seen as criminals for doing what needs to be done.Thanks Joe Biden.

Biden and Obama see differently on many issues.
Palin and Mccian see differently on many issues.

Mccain and Obama are the decision makers in their campaigns.

Mccain has made the decision to go after steroid users.
Obama is saying he will not.

Hell, Palin just said we should let ISR bomb iran, and we should move men into pakistan to look for bad guys.  No way mccain will back her on that issue.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: ARAGO on October 07, 2008, 04:54:53 PM
even as a hardcore republican, obama has my vote. the hawks had their chance.

the country needs intellect and new blood. only obama can.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: BM OUT on October 08, 2008, 06:24:09 AM
Biden and Obama see differently on many issues.
Palin and Mccian see differently on many issues.

Mccain and Obama are the decision makers in their campaigns.

Mccain has made the decision to go after steroid users.
Obama is saying he will not.

Hell, Palin just said we should let ISR bomb iran, and we should move men into pakistan to look for bad guys.  No way mccain will back her on that issue.

You NEVER stick to the issue.Biden IS THE REASON STEROIDS ARE A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE.THE REASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!He is BY FAR the biggest enemy of not only syeroid use but all drug use[so a stealer of liberty]in the entire senate.NO ONE HAS EVER DONE MORE TO ELEVATE STEROIDS INTO THE PROBLEM IT IS THEN BIDEN!!!!!Nothing you can say,no words you can use to twist it,HE IS THE NUMBER ONE ENEMY OF STEROID USE IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: BM OUT on October 08, 2008, 07:50:43 AM
First and only smart thing I've heard the brotha say.  He must have heard the "bodybuilder vote" was HUGE!  Of course, on the downside, this will just free up more time for his administration to tax us into oblivion while creating his socialist utpoia, and even allow him extra time to focus on his pet project of punishing the white man for not giving the hard working, educated, civilized blacks their due.

 ::)

No need to worry.Guys like you and me can just pick up a second and third job to help the poor idiots that FANY MAE and FREDDY MAC made sure got loans they couldnt pay back to stay in their homes.You know,its only fair they get to own homes too.Who cares if they cant pay for them,let whitey worry about that what we need is fairness in this country.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: 240 is Back on October 08, 2008, 08:09:19 AM
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Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: emn1964 on October 08, 2008, 08:21:30 AM
No need to worry.Guys like you and me can just pick up a second and third job to help the poor idiots that FANY MAE and FREDDY MAC made sure got loans they couldnt pay back to stay in their homes.You know,its only fair they get to own homes too.Who cares if they cant pay for them,let whitey worry about that what we need is fairness in this country.

Billy-it is Mccain's plan (not Obama's) to buy up those mortgages using our tax dollars then renegotiate the loans DOWN to match the home value.  He's the one that will help out (with your tax money) all those idiots that bought houses that they couldn't afford.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: BM OUT on October 08, 2008, 08:43:44 AM
Billy-it is Mccain's plan (not Obama's) to buy up those mortgages using our tax dollars then renegotiate the loans DOWN to match the home value.  He's the one that will help out (with your tax money) all those idiots that bought houses that they couldn't afford.

He announced that last night,BUT Obama has been saying the government should do that as well.The point is,THESE IDIOTS should never have gotten loans.The banks were ecouraged to do this because of Freddy Mac and Fanny Mae in order to "even the playing field".Once again,EVERYTHING the government touches,turns to crap.By the way,there isnt a dimes worth of differance between these two.The ONLY reason Im voting for McCAIN is because of Joe Biden,who I think is the biggest enemy of personal liberty this country has ever seen.I only wish Ron Paul was running as an independent.At least I would have been happy with my vote.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: 240 is Back on October 08, 2008, 09:11:54 AM
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Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: dr.chimps on October 08, 2008, 09:13:22 AM
He announced that last night,BUT Obama has been saying the government should do that as well.The point is,THESE IDIOTS should never have gotten loans.The banks were ecouraged to do this because of Freddy Mac and Fanny Mae in order to "even the playing field".Once again,EVERYTHING the government touches,turns to crap.By the way,there isnt a dimes worth of differance between these two.The ONLY reason Im voting for McCAIN is because of Joe Biden,who I think is the biggest enemy of personal liberty this country has ever seen.I only wish Ron Paul was running as an independent.At least I would have been happy with my vote.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: 240 is Back on October 08, 2008, 09:14:41 AM
It's time for change.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 08, 2008, 09:17:29 AM

Exactly...  while corporate greed certainly caused this problem to go into overdrive, no one is talking about the fact this had its roots in the Clinton administration and later in the Democratic congress loosening restrictions so that "every american" can own a home (read "poor people with no responsibility and no resources who have no business owning a home").  While it certainly plays better in Peoria to blame corporate executives and ignore the responsibility of the social engineers, without them it never could have happened.

Dont confuse the obamabots with the facts.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: BM OUT on October 08, 2008, 09:18:56 AM
It's time for change.

Ummm,Obama is a black guy with big ears and a blue mouth.His wife is a slump shouldered lantern jawed America hater.Please explain what a pretty white girls has to do with his campaign.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Option D on October 08, 2008, 09:19:36 AM
He announced that last night,BUT Obama has been saying the government should do that as well.The point is,THESE IDIOTS should never have gotten loans.The banks were ecouraged to do this because of Freddy Mac and Fanny Mae in order to "even the playing field".Once again,EVERYTHING the government touches,turns to crap.By the way,there isnt a dimes worth of differance between these two.The ONLY reason Im voting for McCAIN is because of Joe Biden,who I think is the biggest enemy of personal liberty this country has ever seen.I only wish Ron Paul was running as an independent.At least I would have been happy with my vote.

BIGGER THAN BUSH?? See Patriot act
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: RC Money on October 08, 2008, 09:22:47 AM
I'm usually Republican, but McCain is the biggest douche around without question and I'll gladly vote for that black guy running.

He was behind the whole waste-of-tax-payer-money congressional hearing on steroids in sports and I believe he is also one those anti-video game dicks...I hat fucks like this guy that want to control what people do made worse by the fact that those things don't really affect anyone except those doing the deed...Some old bitter piece of shit telling other how to live their lives >:(

There should be no government money wasted on finding out if Barry Bonds used steroids, let the mlb do that, it is really beyond ridiculous that they hold congressional hearing over this shit.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 08, 2008, 09:36:02 AM


Osbomba is more into doing nothing rather than even doing moderately important stuff such as anti steroids acts and such.

His voting record:

http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490


He hardly ever vote something else than NV, also notice that he NV votes regarding the Iraq war funding instead of making a difference....poof...you heard that...that was your bubble bursting.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: BM OUT on October 08, 2008, 09:42:46 AM
BIGGER THAN BUSH?? See Patriot act

Biden voted for the patriot act.Biden is the biggest enemy of drug use in the country.Biden is an anti-gun nut.Biden is even a guy that wants the government to control the internet by passing internet piracy laws.Biden is the biggest proponent of spying on idividuals in the senate.He hates the individual and loves centralized government power.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 08, 2008, 01:50:42 PM

Osbomba is more into doing nothing rather than even doing moderately important stuff such as anti steroids acts and such.

His voting record:

http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490


He hardly ever vote something else than NV, also notice that he NV votes regarding the Iraq war funding instead of making a difference....poof...you heard that...that was your bubble bursting.



Obama is a joke.  His tax plan alone is a fraud.  95% of the people dont even pay taxes and many of those under his plan will just get a welfare check.

Taxing people who make 250k or more even more than they are now is just insane.  Who the heck does he think creates jobs in this country?????

How does taxing people's employers more help them in any way other than putting their job or health benes at risk since now the business will have to pay more in taxes?????????

This makes no sense whatsoever.   
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: 240 is Back on October 08, 2008, 02:17:22 PM
95% of the people dont even pay taxes

95% of Americans pay no taxes?
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: dr.chimps on October 08, 2008, 03:23:03 PM
95% of Americans pay no taxes?
No wonder the economy is in the shitter. 
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Bast000 on October 08, 2008, 03:48:28 PM
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Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 08, 2008, 03:52:00 PM
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Is he your new idol instead of Fagdaddy's tool?
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: honest on October 08, 2008, 03:58:57 PM
Just vote for the black guy, rather than the old white guy.  :P
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 08, 2008, 06:55:26 PM
95% of Americans pay no taxes?

No, 95% of the public does not pay taxes.  Many, after EITC, and other deductions and credits pay no income taxes whatsoever.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 08, 2008, 06:57:28 PM
Just vote for the black guy, rather than the old white guy.  :P

Go on youtube and type in Obama - Odinga and see if you still wanna support this sleeper cell candidate. 

This is coming out and obama is going to be exposed for the radical marxist he is, even on top of the ayeres, rev. wright stuff.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Tombo on October 08, 2008, 07:11:44 PM

Obama is a joke.  His tax plan alone is a fraud.  95% of the people dont even pay taxes and many of those under his plan will just get a welfare check.

Taxing people who make 250k or more even more than they are now is just insane.  Who the heck does he think creates jobs in this country?????

How does taxing people's employers more help them in any way other than putting their job or health benes at risk since now the business will have to pay more in taxes?????????

This makes no sense whatsoever.   

oh lawd where are you getting your information from, the toilet store?
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 09, 2008, 08:08:47 AM
oh lawd where are you getting your information from, the toilet store?

I own two businesses and know how things run.  When you start working for a living and earning a paycheck you will understand that taxing people more to pay for more govt programs is not helpful to anybody.

 
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 09, 2008, 08:54:02 AM
I own two businesses and know how things run.  When you start working for a living and earning a paycheck you will understand that taxing people more to pay for more govt programs is not helpful to anybody.

 

People forget that 250,000 is a tiny business and they all are being mislead and think it only applies to people who earn 250,000 as employees.

Obama will cause much more unemployment when he cut down the profit margin of 99% of all businesses.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Mars on October 09, 2008, 08:55:22 AM
"the task of Zionists,” he said, “is to show that all political anti-Zionism”—that means criticism of the policies of the state of Israel—“is either anti-Semitism or Jewish self-hatred.”
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 09, 2008, 08:58:53 AM
"the task of Zionists,” he said, “is to show that all political anti-Zionism”—that means criticism of the policies of the state of Israel—“is either anti-Semitism or Jewish self-hatred.”

The pathetic trash on these forums who think everything is a jewish conspiracy to explain their miserable lives is just amazing.

Get a life and get a job. 
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 09, 2008, 09:20:13 AM
The pathetic trash on these forums who think everything is a jewish conspiracy to explain their miserable lives is just amazing.

Get a life and get a job. 

Don't get excited by Mars, he's a long bitter and self proclaimed loser, he's venting out the steam of frustration lol.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Mars on October 09, 2008, 09:32:52 AM
The pathetic trash on these forums who think everything is a jewish conspiracy to explain their miserable lives is just amazing.

Get a life and get a job. 

You just cant handle the truth "333833330894844453".
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Tombo on October 09, 2008, 09:34:27 AM
I own two businesses and know how things run.  When you start working for a living and earning a paycheck you will understand that taxing people more to pay for more govt programs is not helpful to anybody.

 

woopdie-doo ive been around small business and seen how its run my whole life as well.. im not the business owner, no, but i have studied basic business and economics and have a fair outlook on the world, and to be honest your country can recover from most things.. but the deficit that the conservative republicans in the recent years have left behind? ....  :-\ fuck what your government has done with your currency, its rippling around the world.

oh and come on don't be such a fucking clown there are many operating governments and societies with high-tax/high-benefit communities in the world, just accept whats going to happen!
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Mars on October 09, 2008, 09:35:48 AM
Don't get excited by Mars, he's a long bitter and self proclaimed loser, he's venting out the steam of frustration lol.

They should put you on the gass pro bodybuilder wannabee.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 09, 2008, 09:36:37 AM
You just cant handle the truth.

Whether it is true or not does not dictate how I run my own life.  I dont let others or some vague conspiracies hold me down from doing what I myself should be doing.  

Its easy to blame others, but you need to take responsibility for yourself and do the best you can for yourself.  People themselves are their own worst enemy, not conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: musclehedz on October 09, 2008, 09:46:22 AM
Steroids are dangerous and should be illegal!
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 09, 2008, 09:57:48 AM
woopdie-doo ive been around small business and seen how its run my whole life as well.. im not the business owner, no, but i have studied basic business and economics and have a fair outlook on the world, and to be honest your country can recover from most things.. but the deficit that the conservative republicans in the recent years have left behind? ....  :-\ fuck what your government has done with your currency, its rippling around the world.

oh and come on don't be such a fucking clown there are many operating governments and societies with high-tax/high-benefit communities in the world, just accept whats going to happen!

Do you understand how small of a business is 250,000$ Hussein taxs will be WAYYYYY higher than you think and will effect everyone!

Funny thing is he asks people in his rally who earn more than 250, well 99% of those who don't earn 250 work for someone who does, and if he earn less they will earn less, the loss gets rolled down not up.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Busted on October 09, 2008, 10:31:13 AM

Obama is a joke.  His tax plan alone is a fraud.  95% of the people dont even pay taxes and many of those under his plan will just get a welfare check.

Taxing people who make 250k or more even more than they are now is just insane.  Who the heck does he think creates jobs in this country?????

How does taxing people's employers more help them in any way other than putting their job or health benes at risk since now the business will have to pay more in taxes?????????

This makes no sense whatsoever.   

Do you ever say anything that makes sense? 
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Benny B on October 09, 2008, 10:37:13 AM
Do you ever say anything that makes sense? 
no, he is a low functioning moron
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Busted on October 09, 2008, 10:38:40 AM
Do you understand how small of a business is 250,000$ Hussein taxs will be WAYYYYY higher than you think and will effect everyone!

Funny thing is he asks people in his rally who earn more than 250, well 99% of those who don't earn 250 work for someone who does, and if he earn less they will earn less, the loss gets rolled down not up.

Very few small businesses make over 250,000 PROFIT, not GROSS.  

You are a ignorant ass mother fucker.  Ok show me 1 stat where 99% of peoples bosses make 250,000.

If the owner of your company is making 1.2 million, and now pays a extra 30,000 in taxes do you think he is going to give you a PAY CUT? NO (which he wont because his accountant can manipulate the system and still pay less taxes)
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 09, 2008, 10:59:02 AM
no, he is a low functioning moron

Ok genius, lets see - what do you do for a living????????????   

What is your education level? 

How many businesses have you ever run???? - I run two how many do you run?

I myself have two businesses, have a B.A. and J.D. degree.  - 


You are most likely a low wage pathetic employee in a dead end job and going nowhere in life because you don't aspire to anything other than a 9-5 job taking orders from everyone else. 

Obama and the democrats appeal to those who are jealous of others, envy successful people, and feel a need to punish anyone who has done better themselves in life.

If you think that by taxing people who make 250k and above is going to create jobs you have no idea WTF you are talking about and need to get out of your moms' basement.
   
 


Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Benny B on October 09, 2008, 11:02:31 AM
Ok genius, lets see - what do you do for a living????????????   

What is your education level? 

How many businesses have you ever run???? - I run two how many do you run?

I myself have two businesses, have a B.A. and J.D. degree.  - 


You are most likely a low wage pathetic employee in a dead end job and going nowhere in life because you don't aspire to anything other than a 9-5 job taking orders from everyone else. 

Obama and the democrats appeal to those who are jealous of others, envy successful people, and feel a need to punish anyone who has done better themselves in life.

If you think that by taxing people who make 250k and above is going to create jobs you have no idea WTF you are talking about and need to get out of your moms' basement.
   
 
Oh, the assumptions made by low functioning morons.  :P
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Option D on October 09, 2008, 11:22:34 AM
Ok genius, lets see - what do you do for a living????????????   

What is your education level? 

How many businesses have you ever run???? - I run two how many do you run?

I myself have two businesses, have a B.A. and J.D. degree.  - 


You are most likely a low wage pathetic employee in a dead end job and going nowhere in life because you don't aspire to anything other than a 9-5 job taking orders from everyone else. 

Obama and the democrats appeal to those who are jealous of others, envy successful people, and feel a need to punish anyone who has done better themselves in life.

If you think that by taxing people who make 250k and above is going to create jobs you have no idea WTF you are talking about and need to get out of your moms' basement.
   
 




Obama and his running mate both have J.D.'s

McCain and Palin barely graduated. Now you tell me me who can relate to dumbasses better
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: polychronopolous on October 09, 2008, 11:24:32 AM
Okay, then let me ask you a question straight up....and I am not asking if they should be allowed......but...... Should there be anabolic steroid testing in high school athletics?
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 09, 2008, 11:25:32 AM
Oh, the assumptions made by low functioning morons.  :P

Answer the question.  You cant and wont for obvious reasons.


What is your education level?

What businesses or companies have you ever run or been an executive of?

How many jobs have you yourself ever created?????

How does taxing succesfull people and businesses more than they already are create jobs??????????
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 09, 2008, 11:27:38 AM
Obama and his running mate both have J.D.'s

McCain and Palin barely graduated. Now you tell me me who can relate to dumbasses better


I voted for Romney in the primary.

I am not a big McCain fan, never was, and am not now, but in a choice between something that stinks and something that is absolutely unthinkable, stinks wins out every day of the week. 
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 09, 2008, 11:27:57 AM
Very few small businesses make over 250,000 PROFIT, not GROSS.  

You are a ignorant ass mother fucker.  Ok show me 1 stat where 99% of peoples bosses make 250,000.

If the owner of your company is making 1.2 million, and now pays a extra 30,000 in taxes do you think he is going to give you a PAY CUT? NO (which he wont because his accountant can manipulate the system and still pay less taxes)

Profit is calculate after taxes in case you missed it.

Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 09, 2008, 11:30:35 AM
Okay, then let me ask you a question straight up....and I am not asking if they should be allowed......but...... Should there be anabolic steroid testing in high school athletics?


If the school wants it, its up to them.

The danger in steroids with high school kids is not so much the roids, but the unsanitary practices in sharing needles, injecting themselves, etc

High school kids are not really that aware of safe and clear drug usage.   
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Pollux on October 09, 2008, 11:37:32 AM
VOTE OBAMA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

What do you care. You're Canadian!  :P
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: shootfighter1 on October 09, 2008, 11:37:48 AM
To recap the facts (for those interested in this issue), Biden is about the most progressive anti-steroid in athletics politician there is.  He was at the forefront of the congressional baseball steroid hearings, not McCain.  McCain has also spoke out but did not act to the same degree Biden did with the congressional hearings.  Obama makes a lot of sense on this issue but Biden is a crusaider.

Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: polychronopolous on October 09, 2008, 11:40:44 AM
To recap the facts (for those interested in this issue), Biden is about the most progressive anti-steroid in athletics politician there is.  He was at the forefront of the congressional baseball steroid hearings, not McCain.  McCain has also spoke out but did not act to the same degree Biden did with the congressional hearings.  Obama makes a lot of sense on this issue but Biden is a crusaider.


Yes but McCain was front in center when it came to banning MMA, which was just an awful proposal in my opinion, so fuck him, and besides if Obama becomes Prez, he will be runnin shit, not Biden. Obama is also on record as saying that he is for decriminilization of marijuana, yet another reason to vote for him because....guess what? He doesn't give a shit about all this petty crap.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: shootfighter1 on October 09, 2008, 11:44:27 AM
I have heard two different arguements and #s on Obama and small business taxation.

One economic expert was saying that taxing small companies that make > $250,000 would comprise a much greater # than 5-10% of small businesses.  Obama was counting employers who make over $250,000 per yr but he said it was overall business profit I believe.  

Even if it was 10%, thats still a ton of small businesses.  It means that greater company profits will go to the gov.  You can bet company owners will hire less, pay less, spend less and have slower potential growth.

Obama is not only taxing incomes greater than 250K, he has stated capital gains tax, payroll tax and overall corporate taxes will go up.  This is an important issue that smart economists bring up but McCain is somehow lagging in highlighting these taxes.  If we punish business, workers will also be punished.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: polychronopolous on October 09, 2008, 11:47:54 AM


Even if it was 10%, thats still a ton of small businesses.  

 ::)
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: polychronopolous on October 09, 2008, 11:50:25 AM
 If we punish business, workers will also be punished.
Workers don't get punished so easily if you have collective bargaining agreement... and that Free Choice Act that George W. Bush said he would veto, will easily get signed by Barrack Obama (especially with a 60 seat Senate) and thus middle class wages will rise, whether these greasy fat cat corporations like it or not
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: musclehedz on October 09, 2008, 11:52:41 AM
Okay, then let me ask you a question straight up....and I am not asking if they should be allowed......but...... Should there be anabolic steroid testing in high school athletics?

Yes, alcohol and stuff like weed is kiddy stuff compaired to dangerous steroids.

Look at taylor hooton, he killed himself because of steroids!
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: shootfighter1 on October 09, 2008, 12:04:36 PM
poly, I agree with you.  IMO, both steroids and marijuana should have lessened criminal penalties because of the minimal amount of public harm compared to other problems and substances.  You absolutely cannot say they are more harmful than alcohol.  We should not be wasting federal gov time with steroids in professional athletics.  In schools, I am all for reasonable steroid deterrant programs if they are cost efficient.

As a long time assistant MMA coach, that pissed me off to man.  I hated McCain for a while.  Then he completely backed off when the boxing commissions and state athletic commissions took over the regulation of the sport.  Remember the old UFC days?  They had few rules and marketed it as a bloodfest to beer guzzling idiots.  I am a state athletic commission doc and ringside doc and the federal gov has completely backed off of MMA with the current rules and regulations.

 
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: shootfighter1 on October 09, 2008, 12:07:13 PM
Small businesses employ 65-70% off all Americans so I hope Obama will not penalyze these companies (he will be our next president so I hope for the best)

Poly, sounds like you are talking about wealthy CEOs of big companies.  Yeah, f-ck them and all their perks...but small business owners are completely different.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: polychronopolous on October 09, 2008, 12:08:14 PM
Yes, alcohol and stuff like weed is kiddy stuff compaired to dangerous steroids.

Look at taylor hooton, he killed himself because of steroids!
Look first of all if you are talking about that Plano kid from north Texas.... he went to one of the biggest most competitive high schools in Texas. More than likely it was just his lack of self confidence that made him commit suicide. So what if you aren't one of the elite athletes in a school that enrolls 4 to 5 thousand student's?
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 09, 2008, 12:12:29 PM

Obama is not only taxing incomes greater than 250K, he has stated capital gains tax, payroll tax and overall corporate taxes will go up.  This is an important issue that smart economists bring up but McCain is somehow lagging in highlighting these taxes.  If we punish business, workers will also be punished.


Hussein want to keep everyone as low level employees, basically just like a communist state.
By hurting capital gain, stock market profit and so on he enslave you to your paycheck....the American dream  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: polychronopolous on October 09, 2008, 12:14:07 PM
poly, I agree with you.  IMO, both steroids and marijuana should have lessened criminal penalties because of the minimal amount of public harm compared to other problems and substances.  You absolutely cannot say they are more harmful than alcohol.  We should not be wasting federal gov time with steroids in professional athletics.  In schools, I am all for reasonable steroid deterrant programs if they are cost efficient.

As a long time assistant MMA coach, that pissed me off to man.  I hated McCain for a while.  Then he completely backed off when the boxing commissions and state athletic commissions took over the regulation of the sport.  Remember the old UFC days?  They had few rules and marketed it as a bloodfest to beer guzzling idiots.  I am a state athletic commission doc and ringside doc and the federal gov has completely backed off of MMA with the current rules and regulations.

 
Personally I think the old school MMA rules were alot more benefical to specifically the grapplers. jiu-jitsu, wrestlers,etc...

You are making a big point about the marketing, but really, it was the mid 90's and not a whole lot of people were knowledge about the SPORT... yes MMA is a sport!! So blame marketing not the fighting style because I think that the old school bare knuckles style would be more entertaining and socially acceptable now as we have become a more LIBERAL society.

As far as McCain, it's hard to tell we he is half the time, agreed Obama will sway a little, gay marriage, gun right..... but that old man changes his mind so often I don't even know what is talking points are half the time! And to think Ron Paul is but a year younger and sharp as a tack in his beliefs!
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: polychronopolous on October 09, 2008, 12:17:39 PM

Hussein want to keep everyone as low level employees, basically just like a communist state.
By hurting capital gain, stock market profit and so on he enslave you to your paycheck....the American dream  ::) ::)
Okay, so you referred to him as "Hussein" much like all the other uneducated white trash from Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia......

I could go off on a thousand page essay on how what your saying is complete ignorance, but you are not even worth the effort with statements like that.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: polychronopolous on October 09, 2008, 12:19:52 PM
Small businesses employ 65-70% off all Americans so I hope Obama will not penalyze these companies (he will be our next president so I hope for the best)

Poly, sounds like you are talking about wealthy CEOs of big companies.  Yeah, f-ck them and all their perks...but small business owners are completely different.
How specifically do you see Obama hurting small business owners that make less than half a million or so? (which is the VAST VAST majority of small business owners) Besides possibly closing small tax loopholes that they might have taken advantage of?
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 09, 2008, 12:22:22 PM
Okay, so you referred to him as "Hussein" much like all the other uneducated white trash from Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia......

I could go off on a thousand page essay on how what your saying is complete ignorance, but you are not even worth the effort with statements like that.

Please go on with your essay, but please write it after:

1.Watching the video regarding Hussein DIRECT actions that helped cause the crisis.

2.Finish an MBA like the one I'm about to.

Ok? Afterward I promise to read and respond to every word.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: polychronopolous on October 09, 2008, 12:29:33 PM
Please go on with your essay, but please write it after:

1.Watching the video regarding Hussein DIRECT actions that helped cause the crisis.

2.Finish an MBA like the one I'm about to.

Ok? Afterward I promise to read and respond to every word.
His name is Barrack Obama, not HUSSEIN.

You are obviously trying to communicate to the lowest common denominator, which is not me.

Perhaps you should try to broadcast your ideas more in the racist deep south.

I care about 3 things in this upcoming election.

1. And by far THE MOST IMPORTANT... The war in Iraq, I am 27 I have friends over there in harms way over a bunch of bullshit lives from a corrupt government. Barrack was against the war, from the very beginning, I respect him for that.

2. The Economy  and the effect that widespread de-regulation has had upon it.

3. I want to see a rise in the middle class rise to it was in the 50's and 60's before politicians like Ronald Reagen (then Governor in California) stepped  in and said "Why should I pay for college for people who are eventually going to rebel against me"? 

Fuck that, it isn't patriotic just to go along with your government blindly, like so many rednecks in the south who... instead of saying 'Barrack Obama' just say "Hussein".

It's patriotic to want more out of your government.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: BM OUT on October 09, 2008, 12:30:56 PM
Okay, then let me ask you a question straight up....and I am not asking if they should be allowed......but...... Should there be anabolic steroid testing in high school athletics?

There should be NO steroid testing in high schools.It is a waste of time and money.Texas wasted millions on it and caught two kids.Also,why should athletes be tested for steroids but some little queer in the band not be tested for recreational drugs.Drug testing is a violation of civil rights.It is especially a violation if its done in a school locker room by some gym teacher or coach.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: BM OUT on October 09, 2008, 12:31:41 PM
His name is Barrack Obama, not HUSSEIN.

You are obviously trying to communicate to the lowest common denominator, which is not me.

Perhaps you should try to broadcast your ideas more in the racist deep south.

I care about 3 things in this upcoming election.

1. And by far THE MOST IMPORTANT... The war in Iraq, I am 27 I have friends over there in harms way over a bunch of bullshit lives from a corrupt government. Barrack was against the war, from the very beginning, I respect him for that.

2. The Economy  and the effect that widespread de-regulation has had upon it.

3. I want to see a rise in the middle class rise to it was in the 50's and 60's before politicians like Ronald Reagen (then Governor in California) stepped  in and said "Why should I pay for college for people who are eventually going to rebel against me"? 

Fuck that, it isn't patriotic just to go along with your government blindly, like so many rednecks in the south who... instead of saying 'Barrack Obama' just say "Hussein".

It's patriotic to want more out of your government.

Hussein is his middle name.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 09, 2008, 12:34:06 PM
Hussein is his middle name.

He is a democrat , he doesn't bother to check the facts , don't bother him with puny things  ::)
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Option D on October 09, 2008, 12:38:30 PM
Hussein is his middle name.
LOL but you know if John Mccain's middle name was Hilter you wouldnt call him by it...you are doing it for effect....
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: polychronopolous on October 09, 2008, 12:41:59 PM
LOL but you know if John Mccain's middle name was Hilter you wouldnt call him by it...you are doing it for effect....
Of course, they are so desperate it's not even funny.

The only interviews you will see them give is on Fox. Palin, who is a total cancer to the campaign, won't give another interview unless McCain is by her side to coddle her, and she is supposed to be the second most powerful person in the world? It's so sad what has become of the republican party. They have nothing to blame but themselves... you can only cry wolf for so long.


Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: polychronopolous on October 09, 2008, 12:46:24 PM
He is a democrat , he doesn't bother to check the facts , don't bother him with puny things  ::)
As opposed to who? Sarah Palin.... IFBBwannaB, I am a regestered indepenent, if the Democratic ticket had a VP candidate that was as big a dumbass as Sarah Palin, I would say it to you straight up, without qualms.

Why can't you? It's embarassing.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 09, 2008, 12:54:00 PM
As opposed to who? Sarah Palin.... IFBBwannaB, I am a regestered indepenent, if the Democratic ticket had a VP candidate that was as big a dumbass as Sarah Palin, I would say it to you straight up, without qualms.

Why can't you? It's embarassing.

Lets assume she is under qualified, that's why she have a huge staff to help her and she can change.

Hussein on the other hand is directly connected to the economic crisis (did you bother checking my other thread, I know you don't because you are blind), terrorists and communists.

If Biden was running for president I would be much happier than Hussein, he is just BAD, open your eyes and looks at some actually facts.

Look at my other thread, spend 10min to see a 100% factual video that you can check everything in it in seconds and then come and say you think Hussein is so great, I'm sure you're too scared to do it.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: polychronopolous on October 09, 2008, 01:01:33 PM
Lets assume she is under qualified, that's why she have a huge staff to help her and she can change.

Hussein on the other hand is directly connected to the economic crisis (did you bother checking my other thread, I know you don't because you are blind), terrorists and communists.

If Biden was running for president I would be much happier than Hussein, he is just BAD, open your eyes and looks at some actually facts.

Look at my other thread, spend 10min to see a 100% factual video that you can check everything in it in seconds and then come and say you think Hussein is so great, I'm sure you're too scared to do it.
You referred to Barrack Obama as "Hussein", why should I listen to anything you say? You are not better than any other ignorant redneck in this country when you make comments like that.

Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: BM OUT on October 09, 2008, 01:21:51 PM
As opposed to who? Sarah Palin.... IFBBwannaB, I am a regestered indepenent, if the Democratic ticket had a VP candidate that was as big a dumbass as Sarah Palin, I would say it to you straight up, without qualms.

Why can't you? It's embarassing.


Umm ,you have Joe Biden.The guy who told a cripple to stand up.The guy who said paying higher taxes is patriotic.Palin has an 80% approval rating as a governor.Bidens congress has an approval rating of 17.Who is the dumb ass?Also,the brilliant Joe Biden said the university of Dellware could beat Ohio state in football.Need I go on?
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 09, 2008, 01:22:23 PM
You referred to Barrack Obama as "Hussein", why should I listen to anything you say? You are not better than any other ignorant redneck in this country when you make comments like that.



LOL you are so pitiful, it's his name isn't it?

So now I can't refer to him by HIS name? Wow....this just screams freedom of speech.

You don't need to listen to me, just look at the facts, you ignore them just like you get offended by referring to him as Hussein.

You throw around ignorant redneck comments but you seem to act exactly as one, voting without checking, such a smart thing to do  ::)
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Option D on October 09, 2008, 01:24:34 PM
LOL you are so pitiful, it's his name isn't it?

So now I can't refer to him by HIS name? Wow....this just screams freedom of speech.

You don't need to listen to me, just look at the facts, you ignore them just like you get offended by referring to him as Hussein.

You throw around ignorant redneck comments but you seem to act exactly as one, voting without checking, such a smart thing to do  ::)


but you know if John Mccain's middle name was Hilter you wouldnt call him by it...you are doing it for effect....
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Mars on October 09, 2008, 01:30:15 PM
Hussein is an honorable name and im sure Obama likes to be called like that.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: BM OUT on October 09, 2008, 01:32:10 PM
LOL but you know if John Mccain's middle name was Hilter you wouldnt call him by it...you are doing it for effect....

I didnt use it.I was only pointing out that,in fact,it is his name.There can be no denying it.Frankly Im far more concerned that he is a socialist then Im bothered by his name.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: The True Adonis on October 09, 2008, 01:35:31 PM
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 09, 2008, 01:38:48 PM
I didnt use it.I was only pointing out that,in fact,it is his name.There can be no denying it.Frankly Im far more concerned that he is a socialist then Im bothered by his name.

What makes me fear and laugh at the same time is how much they put into his name, they deny the name like they deny many other things about him. Hussein supporters like to scream change while they forget that Hussein have direct links to the economic crisis, to terrorist and to communism in Kenya.

I guess they do want change....change for the worse.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Mars on October 09, 2008, 01:47:17 PM
Links to a terrorist OMGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: BM OUT on October 09, 2008, 02:21:44 PM
What makes me fear and laugh at the same time is how much they put into his name, they deny the name like they deny many other things about him. Hussein supporters like to scream change while they forget that Hussein have direct links to the economic crisis, to terrorist and to communism in Kenya.

I guess they do want change....change for the worse.

Its amazing.He wasnt really friends with Ayers.He wasnt really a church member at Rev. Wrights church.He wasnt really friends with "father" Flager.He wasnt really friends with Rezco.Nope,none of it is true.His wife really doesnt hate America.He really isnt a socialist.Dont you know he is going to give tax cuts to 95% of Americans.However,since one third of working Americans already pay ZERO in income taxes,no one can actually make that math work,unless he is planning on giving those scum checks.Yes sir,we are going to elect an anti-white,anti-American,radical socialist.The only good thing?Four years from now,your going to get a revolt and a right wing[faaaar right]president,congress and senate will be swept into office.Maybe even libertarians if the country wakes up and realises the government is our enemy.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: dr.chimps on October 09, 2008, 02:40:40 PM
Its amazing.He wasnt really friends with Ayers.He wasnt really a church member at Rev. Wrights church.He wasnt really friends with "father" Flager.He wasnt really friends with Rezco.Nope,none of it is true.His wife really doesnt hate America.He really isnt a socialist.Dont you know he is going to give tax cuts to 95% of Americans.However,since one third of working Americans already pay ZERO in income taxes,no one can actually make that math work,unless he is planning on giving those scum checks.Yes sir,we are going to elect an anti-white,anti-American,radical socialist.The only good thing?Four years from now,your going to get a revolt and a right wing[faaaar right]president,congress and senate will be swept into office.Maybe even libertarians if the country wakes up and realises the government is our enemy.
Meh. You guys let Shrub and his cabal circumscribe your personal freedoms and rights willy-nilly and you just sat quietly and took it. Revolt!?  Too scared to revolt more like it. ::) 
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: just_a_pilgrim on October 09, 2008, 02:45:09 PM
Obama is too sensible to be in power.

What the world needs is same of the more bullshit, wasted time and decisions, scare tactics and 'governement knows best' outlook.

Obama might actually make decisions that are the right ones and not political ones, we can't have that.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: bigdumbbell on October 09, 2008, 02:47:21 PM
mc cain's middle name is Sidney
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 09, 2008, 03:42:15 PM
Obama is too sensible to be in power.

What the world needs is same of the more bullshit, wasted time and decisions, scare tactics and 'governement knows best' outlook.

Obama might actually make decisions that are the right ones and not political ones, we can't have that.

Hussein doesn't need a war, he is one of the biggest supporters of the policy that caused this crisis , he socialize with inland terrorists and anti American pastors and so on...he is killing the US from the inside.

What I fail to understand is why you people deny FACTS such as his voting records and DIRECT ties Frannie Mea and many many more.

Facts man...you can't fight them you can only deny them until they hit you in the face, hopefully it won't be too late.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: Earl1972 on October 09, 2008, 03:49:20 PM
Attn Getbiggers: Obama speaks out on steroids this morning!
By Ben Pershing (Published Today)

Sen. Barack Obama appeared to take a swipe at Sen. John McCain's activism on the subject of steroids in sports this morning, suggesting that the topic should not be a high priority for Congress or the federal government.

Appearing on ESPN Radio's "Mike & Mike in the Morning" program, Obama did not mention the Arizonan by name. But the Democratic presidential nominee did make clear that he would steer a different course than McCain has in the past when he was asked "how much government should be involved with sports and performance-enhancing drugs."

"I gotta admit that seeing a lot of congressional hearings around steroid use is not probably the best use of congressional time," Obama said

McCain has long been closely identified with efforts on the Hill to expose steroid use in baseball. In 2004, when McCain was chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, his panel held a high-profile hearing on the subject, and McCain's scrutiny helped force Major League Baseball owners to implement a new drug-testing policy.

McCain said the following year that the league "can't be trusted" to handle the issue on its own, and threatened to write legislation cracking down on performance-enhancing drugs. A House committee also held highly-publicized hearings on steroids in baseball in 2007.

But Obama suggested this morning there were more important things on which the government should focus.


obama is dead on 8)

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Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: IFBBwannaB on October 09, 2008, 03:58:53 PM
obama is dead on 8)

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Hussein think that the congress should spend more time in giving money to him and his friends.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: slaveboy1980 on October 09, 2008, 04:07:25 PM
Attn Getbiggers: Obama speaks out on steroids this morning!
By Ben Pershing (Published Today)

Sen. Barack Obama appeared to take a swipe at Sen. John McCain's activism on the subject of steroids in sports this morning, suggesting that the topic should not be a high priority for Congress or the federal government.

Appearing on ESPN Radio's "Mike & Mike in the Morning" program, Obama did not mention the Arizonan by name. But the Democratic presidential nominee did make clear that he would steer a different course than McCain has in the past when he was asked "how much government should be involved with sports and performance-enhancing drugs."

"I gotta admit that seeing a lot of congressional hearings around steroid use is not probably the best use of congressional time," Obama said

McCain has long been closely identified with efforts on the Hill to expose steroid use in baseball. In 2004, when McCain was chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, his panel held a high-profile hearing on the subject, and McCain's scrutiny helped force Major League Baseball owners to implement a new drug-testing policy.

McCain said the following year that the league "can't be trusted" to handle the issue on its own, and threatened to write legislation cracking down on performance-enhancing drugs. A House committee also held highly-publicized hearings on steroids in baseball in 2007.

But Obama suggested this morning there were more important things on which the government should focus.


obama is a wise man. there are MUCH more important things to deal with.

the steroid chase is just a MISSION OF AIR.
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: musclehedz on October 10, 2008, 12:26:14 AM
obama is dead on 8)

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Do you have any idea about the risks that steroids bring with them? They are far more dangerous than alcohol and tabacco. Look at the enormous amounts of casualties we see each year!
Title: Re: Voting on Pins' N Needles - Obama speaks out on steroids this morning
Post by: BM OUT on October 10, 2008, 09:29:18 AM
obama is a wise man. there are MUCH more important things to deal with.

the steroid chase is just a MISSION OF AIR.

They wouldnt even be a controlled substance if Joe"the dumbest man in the senate" Biden didnt push to make them a controlled substance.There would have been no hearings,no press,nothing.Thank that jack ass Joe Biden.