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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #300 on: April 13, 2021, 04:40:51 AM »

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #301 on: April 13, 2021, 04:52:48 AM »
Pausing it because six people (all of them probably obese) out of X million had a complication seems a bit extreme.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #302 on: April 13, 2021, 06:52:00 AM »
Latest VAERS Data Show Vaccine Injury Trends Continue, CDC Fails to Respond to The Defender’s Inquiries

VAERS data released today showed 56,869 reports of adverse events following COVID vaccines, including 2,342 deaths and 7,971 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and April 1, 2021.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaers-data-vaccine-injury-trends-continue/

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Misleading: The article cites instances of adverse events like Bell’s palsy and death occurring post-vaccination as “vaccine injuries”, implying that the COVID-19 vaccines caused these events (the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy). However, simply because an event occurred after vaccination does not mean that vaccination caused the event. Furthermore, some of the events cited were unrelated to the vaccine or were of dubious origin.

isnt that a bit like saying "deaths with Covid doesnt mean that covid caused the death"?

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« Reply #303 on: April 13, 2021, 07:54:50 AM »
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isnt that a bit like saying "deaths with Covid doesnt mean that covid caused the death"?

Lol.

No covid is the root causes of deaths, vaccine issues are purely coincidental.


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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #304 on: April 13, 2021, 08:19:42 AM »
FDA temporarily halts use of Johnson & Johnson vaccine due to rare blood clotting issues


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/13/us-regulators-reportedly-call-for-pause-in-use-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine-due-to-clotting-issues.html

Locking down innocent and healthy ppl, and now requiring this poison to travel or engage in society. All done through msm fear-mongering and their beloved divide and conquer strategy


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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #305 on: April 13, 2021, 08:25:34 AM »
Locking down innocent and healthy ppl, and now requiring this poison to travel or engage in society. All done through msm fear-mongering and their beloved divide and conquer strategy

It’s just a big Pharma scam. We’re reopening and going back whether the population is vaccinated or not.

The stock market always give you a peek into the future. Zoom was the darling stay at home stock. It peaked in October and has been going down the toilet ever since.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #306 on: April 13, 2021, 08:56:10 AM »
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isnt that a bit like saying "deaths with Covid doesnt mean that covid caused the death"?

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #307 on: April 13, 2021, 02:31:15 PM »

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #308 on: April 13, 2021, 02:33:04 PM »
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They are right.

Very often you can't imply causality from an observational study. In observational studies there's no control of other variables (confounders) that could affect the variable being measured.

For instance, in the article cited they look at people who took the vaccine and claim there's a large number of people who have had serious complications or even died afterwards. For sake of simplicity, let's just talk about deaths.

- First thing you wanna do is look at the death rate among those vaccinated and the death rate in the general population. Are they too similar? If so, there's probably no relationship between vaccination and death.
- If there is a significant difference between those rates, you may want to subdivide the study population. Age is probably a confounder, so you may want to compare the death rate in groups, e.g. people of age 60 - 70 in both the vaccinated and general population. If the death rate is similar among groups, it may be that the vaccinated population had more older people, so the overall death rate is higher but it stays the same among groups.
- If after evaluating relevant confounders or applying some other statistical method the death rate is still higher, then they may have a case. However, the article doesn't do any of that.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #309 on: April 13, 2021, 02:38:47 PM »


They are right.

Very often you can't imply causality from an observational study. In observational studies there's no control of other variables (confounders) that could affect the variable being measured.

For instance, in the article cited they look at people who took the vaccine and claim there's a large number of people who have had serious complications or even died afterwards. For sake of simplicity, let's just talk about deaths.

- First thing you wanna do is look at the death rate among those vaccinated and the death rate in the general population. Are they too similar? If so, there's probably no relationship between vaccination and death.
- If there is a significant difference between those rates, you may want to subdivide the study population. Age is probably a confounder, so you may want to compare the death rate in groups, e.g. people of age 60 - 70 in both the vaccinated and general population. If the death rate is similar among groups, it may be that the vaccinated population had more older people, so the overall death rate is higher but it stays the same among groups.
- If after evaluating relevant confounders or applying some other statistical method the death rate is still higher, then they may have a case. However, the article doesn't do any of that.

and by the same argument you cant say everyone that has died "with" covid has died "because" of covid.

Some of the cases on the CDC website have 70 year old people dying 2 hours after a vaccine, it then states "the vaccine played no part in their death", they cant say that for certain unless they got run over by a bus.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #310 on: April 13, 2021, 03:00:45 PM »
and by the same argument you cant say everyone that has died "with" covid has died "because" of covid.

I'm not certain of how doctors determine the cause of death. Sounds like it's not very straightforward so there are probably many cases of people dying with covid and not from covid. How is counted probably varies depending on the country.

That being said, I'm not sure the distinction is enough to downplay the virus. For instance, if you look at the hospitalization and/or death rate among people 50 years and older, with high BP and the death rate among people 50 years and older, with high BP and covid, what's the difference? I honestly don't know, but if there's an important difference, and you or some of your relatives fall into this group, then you may want to take precautions.


Some of the cases on the CDC website have 70 year old people dying 2 hours after a vaccine, it then states "the vaccine played no part in their death", they cant say that for certain unless they got run over by a bus.


Indeed, they can't know that.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #311 on: April 13, 2021, 04:01:42 PM »
Pausing it because six people (all of them probably obese) out of X million had a complication seems a bit extreme.
Not extreme if they are downplaying the actual numbers.
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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #312 on: April 13, 2021, 04:43:01 PM »
Never thought I'd see the day where people on this site would be against injectables  ;D

Maybe 6 deaths are an extreme number for a safe vaccine.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #313 on: April 13, 2021, 04:53:49 PM »
Pausing it because six people (all of them probably obese) out of X million had a complication seems a bit extreme.

Are obese folks prone to blood clots? I didn't know this. But, I think you are right.

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« Reply #314 on: April 13, 2021, 04:55:28 PM »
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isnt that a bit like saying "deaths with Covid doesnt mean that covid caused the death"?

Ya think?

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #315 on: April 13, 2021, 04:59:32 PM »
Even though the numbers are minuscule, these deaths are unsettling. In reading about this, I was glad that I didn't get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Had there been a choice at the time of my first vaccine, I would likely have chosen Johnson and Johnson because only having to get one shot seemed like a good idea.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #316 on: April 13, 2021, 05:00:16 PM »
Has done nothing but create fear and panic for the past year but now we should stay calm😂😂😂


‘No one who has received this vaccine should panic or worry,’ Murphy says of J&J COVID shot

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/04/no-one-who-has-received-this-vaccine-should-panic-or-worry-murphy-says-of-jj-covid-shot.html

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
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« Reply #318 on: April 13, 2021, 11:47:40 PM »
Could mRNA vaccines permanently alter DNA? Recent science suggests they might

Research on SARS-CoV-2 RNA by scientists at Harvard and MIT has implications for how mRNA vaccines could permanently alter genomic DNA, according to Doug Corrigan, Ph.D., a biochemist-molecular biologist who says more research is needed.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/could-mrna-vaccines-permanently-alter-dna-recent-science-suggests-they-might

April 9, 2021 Over the past year, it would be all but impossible for Americans not to notice the media’s decision to make vaccines the dominant COVID narrative, rushing to do so even before any coronavirus-attributed deaths occurred.

The media’s slanted coverage has provided a particularly fruitful public relations boost for messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines — decades in the making but never approved for human use — helping to usher the experimental technology closer to the regulatory finish line.

Under ordinary circumstances, the body makes (“transcribes”) mRNA from the DNA in a cell’s nucleus. The mRNA then travels out of the nucleus into the cytoplasm, where it provides instructions about which proteins to make.

By comparison, mRNA vaccines send their chemically synthesized mRNA payload (bundled with spike protein-manufacturing instructions) directly into the cytoplasm.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and most mRNA vaccine scientists, the buck then stops there — mRNA vaccines “do not affect or interact with our DNA in any way,” the CDC says. The CDC asserts first, that the mRNA cannot enter the cell’s nucleus (where DNA resides), and second, that the cell — Mission-Impossible-style (lmfao) — “gets rid of the mRNA soon after it is finished using the instructions.”

A December preprint about SARS-CoV-2, by scientists at Harvard and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), produced findings about wild coronavirus that raise questions about how viral RNA operates.

The scientists conducted the analysis because they were “puzzled by the fact that there is a respectable number of people who are testing positive for COVID-19 by PCR long after the infection was gone.”

Their key findings were as follows: SARS-CoV-2 RNAs “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed” (a phenomenon called “retro-integration”) — and there are viable cellular pathways to explain how this happens.

According to Ph.D. biochemist and molecular biologist Dr. Doug Corrigan, these important findings (which run contrary to “current biological dogma”) belong to the category of “Things We Were Absolutely and Unequivocally Certain Couldn’t Happen Which Actually Happened.”

The findings of the Harvard and MIT researchers also put the CDC’s assumptions about mRNA vaccines on shakier ground, according to Corrigan. In fact, a month before the Harvard-MIT preprint appeared, Corrigan had already written a blog outlining possible mechanisms and pathways whereby mRNA vaccines could produce the identical phenomenon.

In a second blog post, written after the preprint came out, Corrigan emphasized that the Harvard-MIT findings about coronavirus RNA have major implications for mRNA vaccines — a fact he describes as “the big elephant in the room.” While not claiming that vaccine RNA will necessarily behave in the same way as coronavirus RNA — that is, permanently altering genomic DNA — Corrigan believes that the possibility exists and deserves close scrutiny.

In Corrigan’s view, the preprint’s contribution is that it “validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.”

Reverse transcription

As the phrase “reverse transcription” implies, the DNA-to-mRNA pathway is not always a one-way street. Enzymes called reverse transcriptases can also convert RNA into DNA, allowing the latter to be integrated into the DNA in the cell nucleus.

Nor is reverse transcription uncommon. Geneticists report that “Over 40% of mammalian genomes comprise the products of reverse transcription.”

The preliminary evidence cited by the Harvard-MIT researchers indicates that endogenous reverse transcriptase enzymes may facilitate reverse transcription of coronavirus RNAs and trigger their integration into the human genome.

The authors suggest that while the clinical consequences require further study, detrimental effects are a distinct possibility and — depending on the integrated viral fragments’ “insertion sites in the human genome” and an individual’s underlying health status — could include “a more severe immune response … such as a ‘cytokine storm’ or auto-immune reactions.”

In 2012, a study suggested that viral genome integration could “lead to drastic consequences for the host cell, including gene disruption, insertional mutagenesis and cell death.”

Corrigan makes a point of saying that the pathways hypothesized to facilitate retro-integration of viral — or vaccine — RNA into DNA “are not unknown to people who understand molecular biology at a deeper level.”

Even so, the preprint’s discussion of reverse transcription and genome integration elicited a maelstrom of negative comments from readers unwilling to rethink biological dogma, some of whom even advocated for retraction (though preprints are, by definition, unpublished) on the grounds that “conspiracy theorists … will take this paper to ‘proof’ that mRNA vaccines can in fact alter your genetic code.”

More thoughtful readers agreed with Corrigan that the paper raises important questions. For example, one reader stated that confirmatory evidence is lacking “to show that the spike protein only is expressed for a short amount of time (say 1-3 days) after vaccination,” adding, “We think that this is the case, but there is no evidence for that.”

In fact, just how long the vaccines’ synthetic mRNA — and thus the instructions for cells to keep manufacturing spike protein — persist inside the cells is an open question.

Ordinarily, RNA is a “notoriously fragile” and unstable molecule. According to scientists, “this fragility is true of the mRNA of any living thing, whether it belongs to a plant, bacteria, virus or human.”

But the synthetic mRNA in the COVID vaccines is a different story. In fact, the step that ultimately allowed scientists and vaccine manufacturers to resolve their decades-long mRNA vaccine impasse was when they figured out how to chemically modify mRNA to increase its stability and longevity — in other words, produce RNA “that hangs around in the cell much longer than viral RNA, or even RNA that our cell normally produces for normal protein production.”

It is anyone’s guess what the synthetic mRNA is doing while it is “hanging around,” but Corrigan speculates that its enhanced longevity raises the probability of it “being converted over into DNA.”

Moreover, because the vaccine mRNA is also engineered to be more efficient at being translated into protein, “negative effects could be more frequent and more pronounced with the vaccine when compared to the natural virus.”

Dollar signs

Corrigan acknowledges that some people may dismiss his warnings, saying “If the virus is able to accomplish this, then why should I care if the vaccine does the same thing?”

He has a ready and compelling response:

    “[T]here’s a big difference between the scenario where people randomly, and unwittingly, have their genetics monkeyed with because they were exposed to the coronavirus, and the scenario where we willfully vaccinate billions of people while telling them this isn’t happening.”

Unfortunately, the prevailing attitude seems to be that the “race to get the public vaccinated” justifies taking these extra risks.

In mid-November, after the Jerusalem Post told readers that “when the world begins inoculating itself with these completely new and revolutionary vaccines, it will know virtually nothing about their long-term effects,” an Israeli hospital director argued that it’s not worth waiting two more years to ferret out mRNA vaccines’ “unique and unknown risks” or potential long-term effects.

In the U.S., enthusiasm for mRNA technology is similarly unfettered. Just a few days after the CDC released updated data showing that more than 2,200 deaths of individuals who had received either the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines had been reported as of Mar. 26 , The Atlantic praised the technology, suggesting that the “ingenious” synthetic mRNA technology behind Pfizer’s and Moderna’s COVID vaccines represented a “breakthrough” that could “change the world.”

Rather than dismiss the prospect of retro-integration of foreign DNA as a “conspiracy theory,” scientists should be conducting studies with the mRNA-vaccinated to assess actual risks.

In old Disney cartoons, viewers often witnessed Donald Duck’s rich uncle, Scrooge McDuck’s, “bulging eyes [turn] into oversized Vegas slot machine dollar signs” when contemplating opportunities to increase his already immense wealth.

Judging by pharmaceutical company executives’ willingness to overlook mRNA vaccines’ long-term — and possibly multigenerational — risks, they must be similarly entranced by dollar-sign visions of a never-ending pipeline of “plug and play” mRNA products.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #319 on: April 14, 2021, 01:30:07 AM »
SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2020/12/13/2020.12.12.422516.full.pdf

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #320 on: April 15, 2021, 01:38:01 AM »
The pay-per-dosage scam isn't working as expected so they are suggesting a mandatory fucboi booster.


Moderna CEO sees likely need for COVID booster for high-risk groups, eyes flu market


CEO Stephane Bancel told Yahoo Finance Wednesday that governments are now focused on booster shots for next year, even though it unclear what type of booster shot will be needed — or when it will be needed — as worries surface over emerging variants.

I'm tired of these bishes with the variant scare tactic.  It's natural viral mutations for self-survival, not HUMAN mortality. FOH!


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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #321 on: April 15, 2021, 06:13:33 AM »
The pay-per-dosage scam isn't working as expected so they are suggesting a mandatory fucboi booster.


Moderna CEO sees likely need for COVID booster for high-risk groups, eyes flu market


CEO Stephane Bancel told Yahoo Finance Wednesday that governments are now focused on booster shots for next year, even though it unclear what type of booster shot will be needed — or when it will be needed — as worries surface over emerging variants.

I'm tired of these bishes with the variant scare tactic.  It's natural viral mutations for self-survival, not HUMAN mortality. FOH!


Remember, Covid wiped out the flu😂😂😂. So, there’s no reason to get an old school flu shot.

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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #322 on: April 15, 2021, 07:38:47 AM »
Apparently, it’s the end of the world in Toronto. So, I looked up the numbers. The median age is in the 80s.






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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #323 on: April 15, 2021, 09:52:32 AM »
Bad optics during vaccine announcement:

"Denmark - When announcing the discontinuation of the AstraZeneca vaccine, the director Tanja Erichsen of the Medicines Agency simply topples over."



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Re: Covid vaccine hasnt been fully approved, only for emergency use
« Reply #324 on: April 15, 2021, 10:01:19 AM »
Bad optics during vaccine announcement:

"Denmark - When announcing the discontinuation of the AstraZeneca vaccine, the director Tanja Erichsen of the Medicines Agency simply topples over."



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