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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: spirospros on January 08, 2007, 12:52:59 PM
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hi guys..........im wondering if any of you have ever used tribulus vitalife....is it good...for natyral raising testosterone after steroids phase;;
thanks a lot
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dont think it actually raises test
dan d once said it might increase the amount of free test in ones system by binding to the test binding proteins..
in anycase...
..dunno what it does..BUT
your after about a week of taking it..your girl will thank ya.
and thats personal experience..
however google "tribestan" and buy that...
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hi guys..........im wondering if any of you have ever used tribulus vitalife....is it good...for natyral raising testosterone after steroids phase;;
thanks a lot
To my knowledge, there has yet to be a single independant study supporting the effacacy of tribulus as a muscle building supplement. In the one study of which I am aware, the conclusion was that the supplement does not assist in the development of muscular tissue (although that study has been criticized by some on this board based on the dosage involved in the test group).
In my opinion, absent scientific validation, such as exists with creatine, there are probably better places/supplements for your money to be spent.
I'm sure others will disagree.
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To my knowledge, there has yet to be a single independant study supporting the effacacy of tribulus as a muscle building supplement. In the one study of which I am aware, the conclusion was that the supplement does not assist in the development of muscular tissue (although that study has been criticized by some on this board based on the dosage involved in the test group).
In my opinion, absent scientific validation, such as exists with creatine, there are probably better places/supplements for your money to be spent.
I'm sure others will disagree.
Considering that Trib isn't that expensive, I'd say it's worth a try. As I stated on another thread, I use Ultimate Nutrition's Tribulus Terrestris, which is usually $25 or less. The most recent bottle I got cost me $18.
I was one of the guys criticizing the study you posted. In that study, the "large dose" of Trib was 1.5 mg per pound of bodyweight. Again, that's 300 mg for a 200-lb guy (that's little more than a third of an Ultimate Nutrition Tribulus capsule). Those who've reaped results with Tribulus tend to use FAR MORE than that. I use 1500 mg of it; another fellow who commented on this used even more than that.
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Considering that Trib isn't that expensive, I'd say it's worth a try. As I stated on another thread, I use Ultimate Nutrition's Tribulus Terrestris, which is usually $25 or less. The most recent bottle I got cost me $18.
I was one of the guys criticizing the study you posted. In that study, the "large dose" of Trib was 1.5 mg per pound of bodyweight. Again, that's 300 mg for a 200-lb guy (that's little more than a third of an Ultimate Nutrition Tribulus capsule). Those who've reaped results with Tribulus tend to use FAR MORE than that. I use 1500 mg of it; another fellow who commented on this used even more than that.
I understand and respect your take and the comment on the dosage is valid (we both await the study which uses a higher amount, I'm sure). The point remains that there is no scientific support for the use of this supplement, only anecdotal.
$18 isn't much in isolation, but combined with the cost of numerous other supplements (not to mention the tremendous amount of food which I consume) I am forced to prioritize. Until the study comes out which demonstrates it works, and is not a placebo (or even detrimental?), tribulus falls far down on the list of priorities.
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I understand and respect your take and the comment on the dosage is valid (we both await the study which uses a higher amount, I'm sure). The point remains that there is no scientific support for the use of this supplement, only anecdotal.
$18 isn't much in isolation, but combined with the cost of numerous other supplements (not to mention the tremendous amount of food which I consume) I am forced to prioritize. Until the study comes out which demonstrates it works, and is not a placebo (or even detrimental?), tribulus falls far down on the list of priorities.
I definitely understand that. When it comes to supplements, my top priority is always caloric-based supplements. Until about 18 month ago, weight gainers were the one constant in my supplemental regime. Since I've learned (the hard way) that I no longer need them or don't need them as much, the emphasis has shifted to protein powders and MRPs. Getting supplements like these cheap frees up money for other supplements like Trib.
A bottle of Ultimate Nutrition's Trib lasts me about 2 1/2 months, as I take it on the days I train, which is four times per week. I also use it with ALC, Vitamin C, and NAC (as I mentioned on another thread, 'Testosterone Boosters').
- Two caps of Ultimate Nutrition Tribulus, 750 mg : a bottle costs $25 (or less, depending on discounts; again, I got it for $18).
- Two caps of GNC ALC w/alpha lipoic acid, 500 mg ALC, 200 mg ALA : a bottle costs $22 (which is cheaper than GNC ALC capsules at $35).
- Two caps of Vitamin C, 500 mg : any store brand will do, usually around $5-$7.
- One cap of GNC NAC, 600 mg : a bottle costs $13.
That's less than $70 for those four products (even less, if you get the GNC discount) and should last you for at least two months.
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...least i know how the supp companys stay in business now ;)
do u have a better physique than steve reeves yet?
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...least i know how the supp companys stay in business now ;)
do u have a better physique than steve reeves yet?
My wife thinks so.
;D
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you might aswell eat dandelions if you are spending money on this stuff, seriously ???
Tribulus is a crappy little weed that is even regulated by the government in some states because of its useless/invasive properties.
If you want to get bigger then eat more steak.
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hi guys..........im wondering if any of you have ever used tribulus vitalife....is it good...for natyral raising testosterone after steroids phase;;
thanks a lot
I know of a few educated "juicers" who use trib when coming off a cycle until their nuts kick back in & start producing test again.
I've been using Optimum Nutrition's Tribulus 625 caps for less than a week, but have already noticed a slight increase in some of my presses.
Really too early to tell anything significant in the way of strength & especially size gains.
After about another week, I'll start substituting the one ON cap (u take 2 daily) with an ABB Tribulus Shot on training days.
I have found that ABB and ON are two extremely reliable manufacturers, not surprisingly owned by the same parent company.
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I know of a few educated "juicers" who use trib when coming off a cycle until their nuts kick back in & start producing test again.
I've been using Optimum Nutrition's Tribulus 625 caps for less than a week, but have already noticed a slight increase in some of my presses.
Really too early to tell anything significant in the way of strength & especially size gains.
After about another week, I'll start substituting the one ON cap (u take 2 daily) with an ABB Tribulus Shot on training days.
I have found that ABB and ON are two extremely reliable manufacturers, not surprisingly owned by the same parent company.
Thanks for your support of our brands!
Jay
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To my knowledge, there has yet to be a single independant study supporting the effacacy of tribulus as a muscle building supplement. In the one study of which I am aware, the conclusion was that the supplement does not assist in the development of muscular tissue (although that study has been criticized by some on this board based on the dosage involved in the test group).
In my opinion, absent scientific validation, such as exists with creatine, there are probably better places/supplements for your money to be spent.
I'm sure others will disagree.
I hear you. I love scientific facts, but at the same time, I try to remember that every case study has it's flaws, i.e. biases, omitted information, discrepancies in testing patterns, etc.
There is even still some controversy over whether or not Testosterone helps build muscle.
Several of my friends compete at national and pro levels, and not one of them has ever said that increased Test has proven useless for their goals. Those injections only helped!
Researching is smart, but don’t forget to look outside the confines of the lab. REAL WORLD RESULTS are important, too. Never dismiss information merely because it is anecdotal.
Here are some Tribulus facts and how it has been used over the years:
http://www.nutros.com/nsr-02016.html
(http://www.nutros.com/nsr-02016.html)
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I take Optimum Nutrition's Tribulus 625 as well. I take 6 a day and notice a difference in helping me maintain my size. I have run cycles in the past but have been clean for about 6 months. Thanks to tribulus, eating right, and staying hardcore with the training, I have been able to maintain a majority of my mass. I really like the Diesel Test brand, but it is about 4 times the cost of the Optimum brand.
If you are under 25, I wouldn't recommend taking them as you have naturally high test levels, but for those over 25 (I'm 34), I recommend it.
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I hear you. I love scientific facts, but at the same time, I try to remember that every case study has it's flaws, i.e. biases, omitted information, discrepancies in testing patterns, etc.
There is even still some controversy over whether or not Testosterone helps build muscle.
Several of my friends compete at national and pro levels, and not one of them has ever said that increased Test has proven useless for their goals. Those injections only helped!
Researching is smart, but don’t forget to look outside the confines of the lab. REAL WORLD RESULTS are important, too. Never dismiss information merely because it is anecdotal.
Here are some Tribulus facts and how it has been used over the years:
http://www.nutros.com/nsr-02016.html
(http://www.nutros.com/nsr-02016.html)
Very nice link. Thanks.
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No prob. ;)
I wish I had more details on the specific dosages the Eastern Europeans used.
I'll research it when I have more time and post any findings here.
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I used 4 caps (1500mgs) of Ultimate Nutrition's Bulgarian Tribulus for the Mountaineer per day . Restored my very low test levels and I was able to train much harder and much heavier. Did get some pimple on top of my head but some Oxy 10 cleared it up well.
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Trib user Vince G.
moral of the story? save your money and eat a chicken breast!
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Trib user Vince G.
moral of the story? save your money and eat a chicken breast!
I agree with the chicken breast and not spending $ on tribulus. The rest of the post is a bit harsh, don't you think?
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I agree with the chicken breast and not spending $ on tribulus. The rest of the post is a bit harsh, don't you think?
Not at all..vince g is a good sport about things like that...
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Not at all..vince g is a good sport about things like that...
I should have figured. I like to bust on friends as well.
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I take Optimum Nutrition's Tribulus 625 as well. I take 6 a day and notice a difference in helping me maintain my size. I have run cycles in the past but have been clean for about 6 months. Thanks to tribulus, eating right, and staying hardcore with the training, I have been able to maintain a majority of my mass.
6 x 625 = 3750mg
If you don't mind...
Over how many doses do you take that amount throughout the day?
What's your weight?
Just trying to gather info.
Thanks!
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......i took some trib aaaaaaages back and one type i didnt get ANY effect , this was the cheaper of the 2 , took another lot which was more expensive and i was as horny as fuck.....was it the trib? maybe?
but id rather focus on diet improvement than spending money on somthing that should come naturally anyways from a healthy diet.
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6 x 625 = 3750mg
If you don't mind...
Over how many doses do you take that amount throughout the day?
What's your weight?
Just trying to gather info.
Thanks!
2 first thing in the morning. 2 at lunch, and 2 at dinner. I am about 220 pounds and 12% bodyfat at 5' 9"
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I took Tribulus for a month (don't remember the brand) and then had a steroid profile done at the lab. My total and free testosterone were in the middle of the range, DHEA was upper limits of normal, but androstenedione was 10 times the upper limit of normal! Obviously it did not work as it is reported to, by increasing LH. Either it works on the adrenal or the pills were contaminated by steroid precursors.
This is good info to know since so many people don't have any tests run to see how supps effect them. Have you had any following blood tests to compare to? Were you on anything else at the time?
I've also heard that trib can effect your glucose levels for some reason. Did you have this tested at the same time?
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tribules = waste of earned money.
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tribules = waste of earned money.
Jeez Yates...
You sound bitter.
Did tribulus forget your birthday or something? ;D
Seriously though,
You speaking from personal experience???
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Jeez Yates...
You sound bitter.
Did tribulus forget your birthday or something? ;D
Seriously though,
You speaking from personal experience???
yeah it forgot my bday once and thats it man, if you do that to me your cut off!
but I think it is a waste, you can get your test levels up natually by just being sexually active and lifting heavy. Everyone seems to think that when they take tribulus they are taking synthetic test that is going to make them huge. which is what i thought once haha, and the product literatley does nothing. same with ZMA i saw nothing. and I've taken these for long enough periods of time. Just my opinion thats all.
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you can get your test levels up natually by just being sexually active and lifting heavy.
I'm married so . . . I guess I'll just have to lift heavy. LOL
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I'm married so . . . I guess I'll just have to lift heavy. LOL
aaahahaha! nice rambo! :D
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I have used a few different Tribulus products back in the day... The only thing I noticed was that they made me burp up something nasty! Tribulus products are a HUGE waste of money! They just flat out don't work.
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Huge debate regarding this topic it seems. Competing as a natty, I take the tribulous. I'm also 36, and agree that if your in your 20's, it is a waste of money.
Is raising one's free testosterone levels, and getting that little extra surge prior to lifing a bad thing. If you get horny when taking the product, then this means that you are more likely to have a more aggressive workout. This due to a higher than normal level of the natural test.
I only take the stuff 1 hour prior to my workouts, and can say that not using the product is not an option. Use the Brands that are reliable, and you probably will notice a bit of a difference.
Again, your not adding test, the natural levels in the body are heightened by the added substance (tribulous).
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I'm also 36, and agree that if your in your 20's, it is a waste of money.
I only take the stuff 1 hour prior to my workouts, and can say that not using the product is not an option. Use the Brands that are reliable, and you probably will notice a bit of a difference.
Again, your not adding test, the natural levels in the body are heightened by the added substance (tribulous).
Yes, as you and several other posters on this thread have pointed out, Tribulus only serves to increase your body's natural test production. It does not replace it.
Trib is NOT an artificial hormone. It does not carry the side effects of synthetics, and its results are not as dramatic as synthetics. But it can help certain individuals.
I understand that certain people here have tried it and experienced "0" results. Alternatively there are those who have used it with success.
I don't know all the specifics surrounding these trials, but here's my experience:
I'll be 28 in March.
I began using ON's Tribulus 625 on Jan. 9 of this year.
Initially, I used as directed (2 caps/day).
After appx. 2 weeks, I began substituting 1 ABB Tribulus Shot for one of the caps - only on training days.
This increased my daily trib. doseage by about 35% on those days (1 Tribulus Shot has just over double the Trib as 1 cap).
Currently, I am taking 3 caps on rest days, while still taking 1 cap & 1 drink on lifting days.
At this point I have experienced noticeable improvement in ALL of my lifts. Not dramatic, but NOTICEABLE.
Even people I see on a regular basis have told me I look a bit fuller, and my Chiropractor has commented that my back feels more dense and solid.
I will provide one final, detailed account at the end of the "cycle."
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Considering that Trib isn't that expensive, I'd say it's worth a try. As I stated on another thread, I use Ultimate Nutrition's Tribulus Terrestris, which is usually $25 or less. The most recent bottle I got cost me $18.
I was one of the guys criticizing the study you posted. In that study, the "large dose" of Trib was 1.5 mg per pound of bodyweight. Again, that's 300 mg for a 200-lb guy (that's little more than a third of an Ultimate Nutrition Tribulus capsule). Those who've reaped results with Tribulus tend to use FAR MORE than that. I use 1500 mg of it; another fellow who commented on this used even more than that.
Is there any danger of tribulus? I read in many places that people under the age of 26 should not take this.
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As someone else mentioned here, men younger than 25 already have naturally decent test levels. Their need for increased test production isn’t as great as it is for someone older.
The only literature I’ve read has indicated that use of tribulus IS safe.
If you haven’t already, read and study this comprehensive article:
http://www.nutros.com/nsr-02016.html (http://www.nutros.com/nsr-02016.html)
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Regarding taking the trib after steroid use. I would certainly do so, and make sure to take something else to restore your natural levels. Write back if you have questions about a good product to take for postcycle use.
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I did tribulus a couple of years ago and it helped a bit, but so does everything else. I don´t understand why people take so little of it, like 2-4 caps try using a lot more like 6-10 seriously. Eastern europeans did it back in the day and if i´ll ever try it again so will i. There are really no danger with this supplement unless you take like 20 or snort the stuff. I get that some people might take lower doses because of financial cost, but tribulus is really cheap and if you want to get big, you need to invest.
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I did tribulus a couple of years ago and it helped a bit, but so does everything else. I don´t understand why people take so little of it, like 2-4 caps try using a lot more like 6-10 seriously. Eastern europeans did it back in the day and if i´ll ever try it again so will i. There are really no danger with this supplement unless you take like 20 or snort the stuff. I get that some people might take lower doses because of financial cost, but tribulus is really cheap and if you want to get big, you need to invest.
I believe it's called "diminishing returns". At some point, taking too much Tribulus (or anything, for that matter) does more harm than good. Plus, I think it's fine if you get results with the smallest amount possible.
I use 1500 mg of Tribulus (two capsules from Ultimate Nutrition). Mwkcronin uses, it appears, 1250-1875 mg, depending on whether or not he trains.
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I understand your point and i agree that most of the time "too much of a good thing is a bad thing" ,but as far as tribulus goes 3000-5000mg, it´s really not that much...
Of course people (at least some people) get good results with lower doses, but they would get much better results with higher doses. I have allways been lucky, in a sence that pretty much everything i do/have done, in and out of the gym has made me grow. To each his own, but i would suggest to try higher dose at least for a little while.
You´re not going to drop dead.
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tribulus at a young age doesn't do shit, also their is no real proof if it really works or not.
last time i had tribulus i was pissing green, lollll but i don't know if it was mental but i had good experience with vitrix
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Yeah, tribulus is not a "wonder drug" some people say it helps, some say it´s a scam.
Go figure...
I believe Vitrix is a "higher dose" tribulus supplement...
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Yeah, tribulus is not a "wonder drug" some people say it helps, some say it´s a scam.
Go figure...
I believe Vitrix is a "higher dose" tribulus supplement...
I believe the Trib in Vitrix is 80% saponins, as opposed to the kind I use from Ultimate Nutrition with 45% saponins.
That could factor as to why Vitrix is more expensive; plus, Vitrix has other items in it as well.
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FWIW - I'm using Vitrix right now, this is probably the third time I've tried it with the other two times back when it first came out. The gelcaps in this bottle are WAY underdosed based on looking at them, the capsules are significantly less "full" than the were before. The formula hasn't changed to my knowledge, but i suspected something was up when I noticed no libido inc, etc this time around even at 2x the dose....
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yeah i've noticed that too...........
another one that was not bad was tribestan
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Yeah, the supplement companies are allways trying "new ways to make a profit" and most of the time they do something that is flat out stealing, not to mention that many companies sell stuff that doesn´t work at all! Let´s take chitosan for example or some say HMB (never wasted money on that) completely worthless! Or for some supplements you should take 5 times the recommended dose to get anything, that might be dangerous in some cases (fat burners).
As far as i´m concerned the most important supplements are: whey, vitamins, fish oil, caloric based supplement (for some), of course there are plenty of other supplements that work, but you need to know what you are paying for. I like Universal products, but rarely buy them, because by the time the products get here the price tripled! No joke either!