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1 - #1 Jadavion Clowney - Houston Texans
1 - #16 Johnny Manziel - Dallas Cowboys
Who's your pic?
www.nfl.com
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a bunch of uneducated neegars about to be made into millionaires because they can run and hit. fuck them.
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1 - #1 Jadavion Clowney - Houston Texans
1 - #16 Johnny Manziel - Dallas Cowboys
Who's your pic?
www.nfl.com
You think Manziel falls that far?
I'd take that pic at 16.
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You think Manziel falls that far?
I'd take that pic at 16.
I was reading Mayock's picks yesterday and it made sense. He has Bortles ahead of Manziel for top QB. I see it as teams are afraid of the negative attention he might bring. I personally think he's not ready for the NFL..he's too young and would get killed by veterans. I'm not very good at this stuff but that's how I see it.
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someone that wants to put asses in seats (JAX?) will probably grab manziel.
They might have a 30% chance that Bortles or Carr end up being a really good QB
They will have a 100% chance that seats will be filled for the next 2 seasons.
I think he's gonna be a terrible NFL QB, but I think he'll probably go 3rd because JAX needs ticket sales to survive, and he'll do that. PLUS, he's now saying in the press that he DOESN'T want to play for JAX, which means there must be a lot of buzz about it.
It's like going on one date with a known crazy girl, because you know you'll get crazy good sex and it's good for your rep. You turn down safe, smart, sweet girls because you want the short term props and fun. He's a scrawny tebow that throws a little better, but he'll be crushed at the NFL level. But he'll sell tickets.
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I was reading Mayock's picks yesterday and it made sense. He has Bortles ahead of Manziel for top QB. I see it as teams are afraid of the negative attention he might bring. I personally think he's not ready for the NFL..he's too young and would get killed by veterans. I'm not very good at this stuff but that's how I see it.
The risk reward aspect of it works more towards the teams favor with the a middle first round pic with a guy like that who has a ton of upside at the most important position(by far) in football.
But then again what a damn nightmare that could turn out to be. Even if Romo had the boys going 6-2 or something like that then shits the bed with back to back 3 interception games. The fans would be ALL over Jerry Jones to put Manziel in regardless of how ready he was.
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I can't get excited....Pats will trade out of their pick.
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someone that wants to put asses in seats (JAX?) will probably grab manziel.
They might have a 30% chance that Bortles or Carr end up being a really good QB
They will have a 100% chance that seats will be filled for the next 2 seasons.
I think he's gonna be a terrible NFL QB, but I think he'll probably go 3rd because JAX needs ticket sales to survive, and he'll do that. PLUS, he's now saying in the press that he DOESN'T want to play for JAX, which means there must be a lot of buzz about it.
It's like going on one date with a known crazy girl, because you know you'll get crazy good sex and it's good for your rep. You turn down safe, smart, sweet girls because you want the short term props and fun. He's a scrawny tebow that throws a little better, but he'll be crushed at the NFL level. But he'll sell tickets.
Think Manziel will be closer to Mike Vick than Tebow.
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a bunch of uneducated neegars about to be made into millionaires because they can run and hit. fuck them.
and you are a descendant of murderous drug dealing Colombians, no?
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I would love a big splashy pick for the Gmen but the smart money says O or D line.
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and you are a descendant of murderous drug dealing Colombians, no?
Just because the kill doesn't mean they're murderers.
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Think Manziel will be closer to Mike Vick than Tebow.
maybe in playing styles, BUT he's nowhere near Vick in terms of talent, physical makeup, or resiliency.
Vick's taken a beating like none other in NFL history and he's sitll standing. Injured just about every year.
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I would love a big splashy pick for the Gmen but the smart money says O or D line.
Taylor Lewan from University of Michigan.
Chisel it in stone.
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someone that wants to put asses in seats (JAX?) will probably grab manziel.
They might have a 30% chance that Bortles or Carr end up being a really good QB
They will have a 100% chance that seats will be filled for the next 2 seasons.
I think he's gonna be a terrible NFL QB, but I think he'll probably go 3rd because JAX needs ticket sales to survive, and he'll do that. PLUS, he's now saying in the press that he DOESN'T want to play for JAX, which means there must be a lot of buzz about it.
It's like going on one date with a known crazy girl, because you know you'll get crazy good sex and it's good for your rep. You turn down safe, smart, sweet girls because you want the short term props and fun. He's a scrawny tebow that throws a little better, but he'll be crushed at the NFL level. But he'll sell tickets.
Do you even watch NFL/NCAA? Tebow could not throw for shit.....Manziel can.....but yeah he might get crushed just like Vick is hurt EVERY year
70% completion
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/517475/johnny-manziel
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yep, that's what i said - manziel can throw better. But he's not a tight thrower, either. He had NFL guys catching those balls. He's accurate, but not yet NFL accurate. Luck came out of college with NFL accuracy. Manziel is a good thrower for college, but was so amazing due to his feet. His feet won't help much in the pros. Defensive linemen would LOVE for him to scramble and try to juke 4 guys on one play lol. Imagine being THE guy that ends manziel's career in his rookie month... that lineman would be a legend.
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I was reading Mayock's picks yesterday and it made sense. He has Bortles ahead of Manziel for top QB. I see it as teams are afraid of the negative attention he might bring. I personally think he's not ready for the NFL..he's too young and would get killed by veterans. I'm not very good at this stuff but that's how I see it.
I agree, Manziel's got talent, but he's too small and not ready for prime time in my opinion. If he lands on the Cowboys God help him LOL....he'll enjoy next season's glorious 3-13 and the following season's 2-14 LOL and remain fully undeveloped.
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maybe in playing styles, BUT he's nowhere near Vick in terms of talent, physical makeup, or resiliency.
Vick's taken a beating like none other in NFL history and he's sitll standing. Injured just about every year.
Agree, just think he's closer to Vick than Tebow. Would love to see the circus that is already Dallas, if he falls that far and Dallas picks him.
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I'm hearing this ^^^ for Manziel as well.
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WTF is houston taking so long, shit they had all offseason to make the pick ,
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Ray Lewis murdering as a commentator
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#1 - Houston Texans
DE jadeveon clowney South Carolina
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#2 St. Louis Rams
OT greg robinson from auburn
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#3 - Jacksonville Jags
QB - Blake Bortles UCF
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#3 - Jacksonville Jags
QB - Blake Bortles UCF
I've thought for a long time that he will be the best pro QB in this class. 3rd pick though?
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(Bill traded from #9 to #4 from Browns)
#4 Buffalo Bills
WR - Sammy Watkins Clemson
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#5 - Oakland Raiders
OLB - Khalil Mack - Buffalo
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Cleveland should have taken Watkins. They fucked up. Probably fucked up big.
They aren't taking Manziel. I hope they take Matthews.
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#6 - Atlanta Falcons
OT - Jake Matthews - Texas A&C
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#7 - Tampa Bay Bucs
Wr- Mike Evans - Texas A&C
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manziel hasn't been picked yet?
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Justin Gilbert #8 and still no Manziel
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#8 - Cleveland Browns
CB - Justin Gilbert - Oklahoma St.
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OK Nails, im joining in, Im not a NFL follower, but keen to see where Manziel goes.
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Cleveland, WTF are you doing?
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Cleveland, WTF are you doing?
please educate me. what happened?
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#9 - Minn Vikings
OLB - Anthony Barr - UCLA
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#10 - Detroit Lions
TE - Eric Ebron - North Carolina
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so Manziel is going to dallas?
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please educate me. what happened?
Traded down from pick 4 and missed out on Watkins who might be the best offensive player in the draft. Missed out on OL help in Matthews that they desperately need. Then picked a smallish cornerback ahead of where he realistically should have been drafted.
They did get Buffalo's first round pick next year for going from pick 4 to pick 9. All I'm saying is that it better be a good pick next year. Cleveland still has pick 26 tonight so we'll see what they do.
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so Manziel is going to dallas?
I wouldn't be surprizedin the least. Actually I think that's where he's going.
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#11 - Tennessee Titans
OT - Taylor Lewan Michigan
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Maybe Mayock hit it on the head #16 to Dallas with Manziel ?
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Traded down from pick 4 and missed out on Watkins who might be the best offensive player in the draft. Missed out on OL help in Matthews that they desperately need. Then picked a smallish cornerback ahead of where he realistically should have been drafted.
They did get Buffalo's first round pick next year for going from pick 4 to pick 9. All I'm saying is that it better be a good pick next year. Cleveland still has pick 26 tonight so we'll see what they do.
Ok, In the NBA after the top 6 picks there generally duds, is the NFL draft more talented then a NBA draft.
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#12 - New York Giants
WR - Odell Beckham Jr - LSU
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Ok, In the NBA after the top 6 picks there generally duds, is the NFL draft more talented then a NBA draft.
Yes there is usually still good talent all through the first and second rounds. Not always hall of fame talent. Guys that can play in the league and contribute. Cleveland has been stockpiling draft picks since they traded Richardson last season. It's great to have all those additional picks but they only help you if you pick the right guys. Right now I don't have confidence that they do.
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Maybe Mayock hit it on the head #16 to Dallas with Manziel ?
I bet Jerry pulls the trigger if he makes it down.
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#13 - St Louis Rams
DT - Aaron Donald - Pittsburgh
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Yes there is usually still good talent all through the first and second rounds. Not always hall of fame talent. Guys that can play in the league and contribute. Cleveland has been stockpiling draft picks since they traded Richardson last season. It's great to have all those additional picks but they only help you if you pick the right guys. Right now I don't have confidence that they do.
Thanks for that. off topic Miami just beat the Nets again
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Quinn, Donald, Brockers, Long
One scary D-Line
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#14 - Chicago Bears
CB- Kyle Fuller - Virginia Tech
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#15 Pittsburg Steelers
OLB - Ryan Shazier - Ohio State
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They'll find flight MH370 #BeforeManzielGetsDrafted
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#16 - Dallas Cowgirls
OT - Zack Martin - Notre Dame
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Holy shit, no Manziel
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Holy shit, no Manziel
damn
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One by one NFL teams are telling Johnny Douchebag that they don't want a fucking clown leading their team.
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Nothing like sitting there in front of your girlfriend as you look like a sad shit, manzel should of stayed at home
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One by one NFL teams are telling Johnny Douchebag that they don't want a fucking clown leading their team.
Dead on statement right here.
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Nothing like sitting there in front of your girlfriend as you look like a sad shit, manzel should of stayed at home
I don't like his size or his game, but I love that Manziel is telling everyone they are going to regret not picking him.
We'll see if he backs up the talk.
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I don't like his size or his game, but I love that Manziel is telling everyone they are going to regret not picking him.
We'll see if he backs up the talk.
and they don't want lebron and drake at the games either.
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#17 - Baltimore Ravens
ILB - C.J. Moseley - Alabama
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#18 - New Jersey Jets
S- Calvin Pryor - Louisville
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How embarrassing for Manziel, is he sitting with his family?
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LMFAO
another Brady Quinn , why do these idiots do it
If you are not a for sure 1st rounder , stay home
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How embarrassing for Manziel, is he sitting with his family?
He needs to worry about a team picking him that is compatible with his style of play, not how high he goes.
It's costing him money right now, that's all.
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Manziel not looking too happy.
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I think Arizona will take him. Palmer is 34, and he obviously isnt the future for the Cardinals.
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He needs to worry about a team picking him that is compatible with his style of play, not how high he goes.
It's costing him money right now, that's all.
Im sure his depressed now, all that hype and now im listening to espn on radio, they think his going in the second round.
OK amercians, help me here, are these NFL picks getting guaranteed contracts.
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#19 - Miami Dolphins
OT - JaWuan James - Tennessee
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I think Arizona will take him. Palmer is 34, and he obviously isnt the future for the Cardinals.
Another Jake Plummer for AZ? Improvisational QB who is better outside the pocket than in.
I think they are too smart for that.
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Agree, just think he's closer to Vick than Tebow. Would love to see the circus that is already Dallas, if he falls that far and Dallas picks him.
i was shocked DAL didn't get him. They really know something we don't.
looking at him... tiny body, GH hands with tiny water bottle... kid really is a chemistry experiment and he's gonna be a footnote in the NFL. Good to see the league choosing actual talent and not hype.
However, if Jerry Jones doesn't even want him... yikes...
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Another Jake Plummer for AZ? Improvisational QB who is better outside the pocket than in.
I think they are too smart for that.
They just traded to the Saints :o
There is no way Manziel will get by the Browns a second time.
I think that will be the farthest he slides, unless picked up sooner.
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Im sure his depressed now, all that hype and now im listening to espn on radio, they think his going in the second round.
OK amercians, help me here, are these NFL picks getting guaranteed contracts.
That's one question I'm not sure about.
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Im sure his depressed now, all that hype and now im listening to espn on radio, they think his going in the second round.
OK amercians, help me here, are these NFL picks getting guaranteed contracts.
Yes they get guaranteed signing bonus on to of contract , but the contact is not guaranteed, thats why you get the signing bonus
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That's one question I'm not sure about.
all good. I think lottery picks in the NBA get the first 3 years guaranteed.
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Yes they get guaranteed signing bonus on to of contract
Thank you.
does that include second round picks too?
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kid is only 21. all the AAS and GH has him aging rapidly. He'll be bald by 24. Or get plugs and just look ridiculous.
I think manziel catching passes on a jet ski was the final straw for teams. After his mgmt team keeping him quiet and acting like a pro for a few months... we see him partying and doing jet ski stunts a week before the draft? Crazy.
Looks like Saints passed on him too. I think 99% of the nation wanted to see him doing that sad mopey table session at the NFL draft. I guess if you do'nt have an NFL body, and you don't have a NFL work ethic, you can't get by on NFL style alone.
Those narrow shoulders... yikes... doesn't have a pro athlete body, he just doesn't. No height and no width.
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That's one question I'm not sure about.
The first few rounds are usually locks for making the team.
The NFL is not like basketball or baseball. A team can cut you at any time.
You are guaranteed a certain amount of money per contract. A player can sign a 100 million dollar deal, but maybe only 30 of it is guaranteed.
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for example last year kansas city chiefs #1 pick was Eric Fisher
They agreed on a five-year, fully guaranteed contract worth $22,190,498, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
The contract includes a signing bonus of $14,518,544, and Fisher will get $10 million of that paid within five days, the source said.
His base salary will be $405,000 in 2013; $495,000 with a training camp roster bonus of $918,659 in 2014; $585,000 with a roster bonus of $1,837,318 in 2015; and $675,000 with a roster bonus of $2,755,977 in 2016. The fifth-year option belongs to the Chiefs under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement.
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#20 New Orleans Saints
WR - Brandin Cooks - Oregon St.
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Always look at the guaranteed money when viewing an NFL.contract.
The total value, and length of years mean almost nothing.
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all good. I think lottery picks in the NBA get the first 3 years guaranteed.
ALL NBA contracts are guaranteed. They have lots of guys on 10-day contracts for months at a time.
Guys like Anfernee Hardaway (remember him?) will sign and hurt a knee and spend a decade on a bench. Or worse -
1. Gilbert Arenas - Year: 2008 - Contract: 6 years, $111 million. Quickly signed, injured, threatened teammate with a gun at practice, traded away. All guaranteed $, even if he brings a gun to work to threaten teammate lol.
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ALL NBA contracts are guaranteed. They have lots of guys on 10-day contracts for months at a time.
Guys like Anfernee Hardaway (remember him?) will sign and hurt a knee and spend a decade on a bench. Or worse -
1. Gilbert Arenas - Year: 2008 - Contract: 6 years, $111 million. Quickly signed, injured, threatened teammate with a gun at practice, traded away. All guaranteed $, even if he brings a gun to work to threaten teammate lol.
x2. Baseball and basketball contracts are horrible. Thats why you see so many bums collecting huge checks in those sports.
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ALL NBA contracts are guaranteed. They have lots of guys on 10-day contracts for months at a time.
Guys like Anfernee Hardaway (remember him?) will sign and hurt a knee and spend a decade on a bench. Or worse -
1. Gilbert Arenas - Year: 2008 - Contract: 6 years, $111 million. Quickly signed, injured, threatened teammate with a gun at practice, traded away. All guaranteed $, even if he brings a gun to work to threaten teammate lol.
Ofcourse I remember Anfernee, how do you forget a name like that.
I was a massive orlando fan, when I found out Orlando traded Chris Webber for Anfernee hardaway I cried in class.
true story.
Gilbert arenas is playing in the D league, why? is it a contract agreement.
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Ha Ha Clinton-Dix?
Great name.
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#21 - Green Bay Packers
S - HA HA Clinton-Dix ??? ??? ??? WTF UNIVERSITY - Alabama
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x2. Baseball and basketball contracts are horrible. Thats why you see so many bums collecting huge checks in those sports.
glad to know you are into sports.
HA HA Clinton Dix..is that his government name.
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Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
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Guys.....Manziel will be picked in the first round.
Edit: Eagles trade pick to Browns ;)
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Funny jokes on twitter
Manziel looks like a kid who got shafted for the prom when he assumed the hottest girl was going out with him
Derrick Rose will return #BeforeManzielGetsDrafted
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PHILLY traded away pick #22.
Cleveland has the pick. Will they buy into the Manziel garbage and continue their trend of picking shoddy QBs?
Oh, those ESPN analysts look like they're gonna cry harder than Manziel. All this talk from Mel Kieper about how great manziel is.
And they choose... MANZIEL!
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Oh my GOD!!!!!!!!!!
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lol...finally
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#22 Cleveland Browns
QB - Johnny Manziel - Texas A&C
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Manziel will be good for the Browns. I actually feel sorry for the fans in Cleveland.
Atleast they have something to look forward to.
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When I lived up near Cleveland, we always called it "Taking the browns to the super bowl" whenever we took a dump.
True story.
Anyone who has lived in CLE will tell you it's about the shittiest city in the country. Sorry, but it is.
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BOHICA, CLEVELAND
Bend
over
here
it
comes
again
cleveland
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Cleveland..Yuck.
is he allowed to not sign and demand a trade.
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Johnny Douchebag couldn't have ended up at a worse place for him. Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati defenses will kill him.
Plus he's not built to be a winter quarterback. All those AFC North cities are cold as fuck in the winter and play in outdoor stadiums.
It's going to be fun watching this explode.
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Patriots trade first round pick to Vikings for Adrian Peterson :o
Hahahahaha!!!!!!! Boom!
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Johnny Douchebag couldn't have ended up at a worse place for him. Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati defenses will kill him.
Plus he's not built to be a winter quarterback. All those AFC North cities are cold as fuck in the winter and play in outdoor stadiums.
It's going to be fun watching this explode.
Im assuming Lebron will watch him at all home games.
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#23 - Kaka City Chumps
DE- Dee Ford - Auburn
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Johnny Douchebag couldn't have ended up at a worse place for him. Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati defenses will kill him.
Plus he's not built to be a winter quarterback. All those AFC North cities are cold as fuck in the winter and play in outdoor stadiums.
It's going to be fun watching this explode.
yeah, you can hear the ESPN guys all trying to save face. "Really the PERFECT place for Manziel! His large (GH) hands will be excellent in the cold weather there!"
Those 3 teams in his division have brutal defenses, and he's going to be missing that nice TX weather.
you could read from his pale face... like a dude staring at a foul girl he knocked up accidentally... he wanted to be anywhere but cleveland.
so who's he gonna be? tim couch all over again? brady quinn? or worse?
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lol
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Darqueze?
Black people's names just keep getting better.
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kid is only 21. all the AAS and GH has him aging rapidly. He'll be bald by 24. Or get plugs and just look ridiculous.
I think manziel catching passes on a jet ski was the final straw for teams. After his mgmt team keeping him quiet and acting like a pro for a few months... we see him partying and doing jet ski stunts a week before the draft? Crazy.
Looks like Saints passed on him too. I think 99% of the nation wanted to see him doing that sad mopey table session at the NFL draft. I guess if you do'nt have an NFL body, and you don't have a NFL work ethic, you can't get by on NFL style alone.
Those narrow shoulders... yikes... doesn't have a pro athlete body, he just doesn't. No height and no width.
Seriously, quit with gh/AAS bullshit
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you could read from his pale face... like a dude staring at a foul girl he knocked up accidentally... he wanted to be anywhere but cleveland.
I need to see this
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kid is only 21. all the AAS and GH has him aging rapidly. He'll be bald by 24. Or get plugs and just look ridiculous.
I think manziel catching passes on a jet ski was the final straw for teams. After his mgmt team keeping him quiet and acting like a pro for a few months... we see him partying and doing jet ski stunts a week before the draft? Crazy.
Looks like Saints passed on him too. I think 99% of the nation wanted to see him doing that sad mopey table session at the NFL draft. I guess if you do'nt have an NFL body, and you don't have a NFL work ethic, you can't get by on NFL style alone.
Those narrow shoulders... yikes... doesn't have a pro athlete body, he just doesn't. No height and no width.
In response to the last sentence.....neither does Tom Brady
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yeah, you can hear the ESPN guys all trying to save face. "Really the PERFECT place for Manziel! His large (GH) hands will be excellent in the cold weather there!"
Those 3 teams in his division have brutal defenses, and he's going to be missing that nice TX weather.
you could read from his pale face... like a dude staring at a foul girl he knocked up accidentally... he wanted to be anywhere but cleveland.
so who's he gonna be? tim couch all over again? brady quinn? or worse?
Yeah, that AFC North is man football, not that playground shit that landed him on Sportscenter's highlights. Just wait until he goes to Baltimore or Pittsburgh in November. They'll be scraping his ass off the field with a spatula.
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#24 - Cincinnati Bengals
CB - Darqueze Dennard - Michigan St.
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#25 - Ham Diego Wackers
CB - Jason Verrett - TCU
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Nails doing solid work in this thread.
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In response to the last sentence.....neither does Tom Brady
Brady - Height: 6-4; Weight: 225
Manziel - Height5-11; Weight207 lbs
That's a huge difference if you're an NFL QB.
And he's not thick as fck short, and he's not athletic as fck short. He's just, well, short.
And yes, I'm very much convinced that manziel, born a millionaire and with this goal of being a pro QB all along... with his unnaturally big hands and feet on such a small frame, receding hairline, bad acne... we know the chinese have been breeding athletes since birth. we know pro sports parents do it. Those hands don't match his body.
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#26 Philidelpha Eagles
DE - Marcus Smith - Louisville
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#27 - Arizona Cardinals
S - Deone Bucannon - Washington St.
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#28 Caroline Panthers
Wr - Kelvin Benjamin - Florida St
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Brady - Height: 6-4; Weight: 225
Manziel - Height5-11; Weight207 lbs
That's a huge difference if you're an NFL QB.
And he's not thick as fck short, and he's not athletic as fck short. He's just, well, short.
And yes, I'm very much convinced that manziel, born a millionaire and with this goal of being a pro QB all along... with his unnaturally big hands and feet on such a small frame, receding hairline, bad acne... we know the chinese have been breeding athletes since birth. we know pro sports parents do it. Those hands don't match his body.
For a smart guy you say some really dumb shit
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#29 - New England Patriots
DE - Dominique Easley - Florida
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Brady - Height: 6-4; Weight: 225
Manziel - Height5-11; Weight207 lbs
That's a huge difference if you're an NFL QB.
And he's not thick as fck short, and he's not athletic as fck short. He's just, well, short.
And yes, I'm very much convinced that manziel, born a millionaire and with this goal of being a pro QB all along... with his unnaturally big hands and feet on such a small frame, receding hairline, bad acne... we know the chinese have been breeding athletes since birth. we know pro sports parents do it. Those hands don't match his body.
The only difference is height. If you put them side by side in a combine line up, Manziel wins. Height is starting to become a non-factor. It's footwork and speed. Russell Wilson proved it as well as Manziel.
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The only difference is height. If you put them side by side in a combine line up, Manziel wins. Height is starting to become a non-factor. It's footwork and speed. Russell Wilson proved it as well as Manziel.
manziel proved it in college... a lot of short QBs do well in college. Manziel hasn't proven a short QB works at the pro level.
in the NFL, only Russell has "proven" it... and he certainly has dropped off after a great start. I don't see height suddenly becoming a non-factor. Russell has a great defense, a great work ethic.
Manziel doesn't have a durable body. He just doesn't.
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#30 - San Francisco 49ers
S - Jimmie Ward - Northern Illinois
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#31 - Denver Donkys
CB - Bradley Roby - Ohio State
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#32 - Minnesota Vikings -(trade from Seattle Seahawks)
QB - Teddy Bridgewater - Louisville
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The only difference is height. If you put them side by side in a combine line up, Manziel wins. Height is starting to become a non-factor. It's footwork and speed. Russell Wilson proved it as well as Manziel.
There's been like 4-5 quarterbacks under 6' that started in the last 20 years.
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In response to the last sentence.....neither does Tom Brady
manning as well... look how well he turned out...
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yeah, you can hear the ESPN guys all trying to save face. "Really the PERFECT place for Manziel! His large (GH) hands will be excellent in the cold weather there!"
Those 3 teams in his division have brutal defenses, and he's going to be missing that nice TX weather.
you could read from his pale face... like a dude staring at a foul girl he knocked up accidentally... he wanted to be anywhere but cleveland.
so who's he gonna be? tim couch all over again? brady quinn? or worse?
Don't forget colt McCoy and weeden either
Cleveland is career suicide
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manning as well... look how well he turned out...
Yes but Brady is a one in a million , 6th round pick , wasn't expected to do anything , no expectations, no hype
Got lucky with belichick and belichick got lucky with Brady
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Already Living it up, Pounding champagne straight out the bottle
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Thanks for all the work Nails 8)
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Taylor Lewan from University of Michigan.
Chisel it in stone.
Man I thought it was a lock when he was still there when Tennessee had the pick.
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manning as well... look how well he turned out...
eli is 5 inches taller than Manziel.
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HA HA
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The more I think about it, The Cowboys made the right move by skipping Johnny and picking up the guard from Notre Dame.
That's the third first round offensive lineman they've picked up in the past 4 years and the other 2 have been pretty damn good so far.
So basically you have 3 top tier lineman all under 24 years old and if Romo isn't back there having to pull his "jedi pull a play out of his ass" routine and has time to throw then he can be pretty damn good. One of in the best in the league when he doesn't have to force plays, IMO.
The Cowboys defense is still garbage so it will still likely result in mediocrity next year but I'll take that upgraded line and Romo over Manziel and all the potential headaches he presents.
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Manziels height might not be a factor only because of the size of his hands. Supposedly he has banana's for hands. I've read that most teams won't even bother with a QB who has smallish hands because they feel the ball will be stripped and fumble problems. Plus grip on the ball in bad weather...
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Man I thought it was a lock when he was still there when Tennessee had the pick.
I'm not sold on Odell Beckham.
Always wary of guys who "appear" at the Combine after 4 years of going unnoticed.
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Lebron James Rocking a Manziel Jersey today
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HA HA
LMAO...I see what you did there ;D
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Raiders putting together a nice draft.....Khalil Mack and Derek Carr so far.
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Looks like Josh Gordon will be suspended for the 2014 season for another failed drug test. Johnny Football will be running for his life with no big target to throw to.
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A lot of teams appear to be reaching.
Buffalo with Sammy Watkins and Cyrus K - either hit big or will be two huge busts.
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Niners with some really good picks >:(
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A lot of teams appear to be reaching.
Buffalo with Sammy Watkins and Cyrus K - either hit big or will be two huge busts.
Sammy Watkins is the surest bet in this draft. Easily the best receiver in a very deep draft
Cyrus K is a gamble with the injury history though.
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Sammy Watkins is the surest bet in this draft. Easily the best receiver in a very deep draft
Cyrus K is a gamble with the injury history though.
Surest bet in this draft is the OT Mathews out of A&M. Pencil him in the starting lineup for the next decade.
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Surest bet in this draft is the OT Mathews out of A&M. Pencil him in the starting lineup for the next decade.
Can't argue with that. But Watkins is the most pro-ready skill position player...he's gonna be a Fitzgerald/Green/Jones type receiver.
Who's your team? Bears fan right here and I'm quite pleased so far
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Looks like Josh Gordon will be suspended for the 2014 season for another failed drug test. Johnny Football will be running for his life with no big target to throw to.
Trey Palumalo will catch more TD passes from johnny pick-6 than anyone wearing a CLE jersey.
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Trey Palumalo will catch more TD passes from johnny pick-6 than anyone wearing a CLE jersey.
The Browns knew about Josh Gordon's failed drug test for 2 weeks and they STILL traded down with the Bills. Granted, they got a good haul for the trade but I can't understand the actions of that front office no matter who's at the helm
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AJ McCarron, 5th 164? really? National Champion, Heisman runner up? Wtf?
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So they made a big thing about Michael Sam (the gay linebacker from Missouri) and he is in real danger of not getting drafted.
I think being gay has hurt him.
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AJ McCarron, 5th 164? really? National Champion, Heisman runner up? Wtf?
Sounds kinda like Tim Tebow, and we all know how that ended up
So they made a big thing about Michael Sam (the gay linebacker from Missouri) and he is in real danger of not getting drafted.
I think being gay has hurt him.
It's not him being gay, it's the inevitable media circus that he would bring to training camp/locker room. No team wants that
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So they made a big thing about Michael Sam (the gay linebacker from Missouri) and he is in real danger of not getting drafted.
I think being gay has hurt him.
Maybe, but he wasn't that good and did little at the combine.
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Maybe, but he wasn't that good and did little at the combine.
ESPN made him seem like he was an unstoppable beast, when his story first leaked.
I swear people were talking third round at worst, back then.
Teams don't want the distraction.
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Oh yeah, forgot he was named the SEC defensive player of the year.
Sam is sliding because he is openly gay.
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The Rams just selected Sam.
Good for the kid. Can stay at home.
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AJ McCarron, 5th 164? really? National Champion, Heisman runner up? Wtf?
he was a solid QB in an amazing system.
average arm. average decision making. his WRs could out-genetic their defenders most of the time.
He'll be a solid backup in the NFL, but I don't see him becoming a starter. I'd love to have him starting in TB lol. But there's nothing all that exciting about him.
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Maybe, but he wasn't that good and did little at the combine.
THIS. Dude is a tweener and was weak/slow at the combine, I think?
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THIS. Dude is a tweener and was weak/slow at the combine, I think?
Weak tweeners dont win SEC defensive player of the year.
SEC is the best conference in college football.
The guy should have easily went in the 3rd round.
He slipped to the 7th because he was gay.
I bet Goodell made a few phone calls to make sure this kid got drafted.
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do 7th round picks even get signed up? how many rounds are there.
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do 7th round picks even get signed up? how many rounds are there.
There are 7 rounds. There is no guarantee that the later draft picks will make the team.
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Weak tweeners dont win SEC defensive player of the year.
SEC is the best conference in college football.
The guy should have easily went in the 3rd round.
He slipped to the 7th because he was gay.
I bet Goodell made a few phone calls to make sure this kid got drafted.
6'-1", 261 lbs, slow, weak, and gay. If he wasn't brown, he'd be you.
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6'-1", 261 lbs, slow, weak, and gay. If he wasn't brown, he'd be you.
;D.... And I would also be playing for the Rams.
No, not the Rams you are used to getting.
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;D.... And I would also be playing for the Rams.
No, not the Rams you are used to getting.
And you have as much chance of making the team as Sam has.
But he will write a book, do a movie deal and get a front-office job in the nfl once his two week long career is over.
You'll still be a drunk who answers every Rehaluk beck and call
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http://guyism.com/sports/manziel-patriots-scounting-report.html
Read the New England Patriots scouting report on Johnny Manziel because they really disliked him
Johnny Manziel begrudgingly went to the Cleveland Browns in the 2014 NFL draft.
Manziel’s face told the whole story but a leaked internal scouting report from the New England Patriots tells a whole other but unsurprising story about “Johnny Football.” He’s a fucking prick.
BroBible obtained the official scouting report of the New England Patriots from the 2014 NFL Draft. All of the football notes the Patriots made mirror exactly what every football talking head has been saying about Manziel since he officially announced he was leaving school early for the NFL.
The info New England collected about Manziel’s character and family life is much, much juicier.
From the vibe of online articles, father seems a little too involved and overstepping his boundaries. Vibe on this guy keeps getting worse. Support staff members are sick of him and ready for him to go. Described as a cocky, me-guy. Loves football, FBI is high as well. Everything has been pretty well-documented in online articles about the kid, but sources say he’s a spoiled brat (grandfather gives him allowance, father bought him luxury car). Comes from ‘outlaw bloodlines’, mom moved the family to Kerrville to get away from father’s wild family. Father’s family is said to be very shady people, always into something, they are the root of Johnny’s personality.
BANG! BANG! Outlaw Johnny! The entire scouting report is a fascinating read, and I don’t want to spoil it, but the progression of his attitude seems dead on.
Best of luck to the Cleveland Browns franchise.
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(Bill traded from #9 to #4 from Browns)
#4 Buffalo Bills
WR - Sammy Watkins Clemson
This was the most insane move of the draft. They gave up next years 1st and 4th round picks to move up 5 spots and grab a WR. I dont doubt that Sammy Watkins is going to make a fine NFL player but no way do I, if Im the Buffalo Bills, trade away all that for one dude. Should have just waited till #9 and if Sammy wasnt still on the board then they could have picked up Odell Beckham or Brandin Cooks. But hey, it resulted in Stevie Johnson coming over to my 9ers, so i cant complain!!!
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#5 - Oakland Raiders
OLB - Khalil Mack - Buffalo
I liked this pick.
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Cleveland should have taken Watkins. They fucked up. Probably fucked up big.
They aren't taking Manziel. I hope they take Matthews.
That comment came back to bite you ;D I think the browns made out real well in this draft, considering they came away with Gilbert, Manziel and two first round picks next year.
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#10 - Detroit Lions
TE - Eric Ebron - North Carolina
The Lions made a nice pick here. They should be playoff contenders soon.
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Weak tweeners dont win SEC defensive player of the year.
SEC is the best conference in college football.
Some say that's about the system, not the player. Look at SEC QBs in the NFL:
Alabama? No.
Auburn? Jason Campbell... and, that's it.
Arkansas? No (unless someone from before they entered the SEC did good things as a pro)
Ole Miss? Eli Manning, and that's it.
Mississippi State? Could probably eliminate the QB position from their offense and never tell the difference.
LSU? No, only mega-bust Jamarcus Russell, and never-was Tommy Hodson. Which is better than nothing, I guess.
Vanderbilt? Jay Cutler, who may have been the only Vandy QB to go pro since the Gilded Age.
South Carolina? No.
Florida? Lots of guys drafted, but Shane Matthews is the only one that ever did anything. It was brought up not to forget Rex Grossman, who miraculously helmed the position for the Bears in their 2006 run, and started a bunch of games (credit to brandon12mc for pointing out Rex).
Georgia? Matt Stafford has looked good, but cannot stay healthy at all. Aside from him though, they had plenty of guys drafted, but again, none that did anything meaningful.
Tennessee? Peyton Manning, and super draft bust Heath Shuler. None of their other drafted QBs ever reall did anything.
Kentucky? Tim Cou-nevermind, no, they haven't produced a single one.
So why is this? What is it about the SEC that makes it so prohibitive for its QBs to succeed in the NFL? Plenty of guys from every other conference have gone on to do great things.
It can't be written off as "well everyone runs the ball too much," because the SEC produced Pro Bowlers and Hall of Famers in bunches, long before the conference discovered "forward pass" in the 1990s.
http://247sports.com/Board/30/Contents/SEC-QBs-in-the-NFL-4537543
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#20 New Orleans Saints
WR - Brandin Cooks - Oregon St.
This kid grew up in Stockton. I lived there. I was hoping he would fall to the 9ers, because dude has got burners and we could use a speedy wide out, but in the end i think it all turned out for the better. Drew Brees has a nice weapon in this one
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#30 - San Francisco 49ers
S - Jimmie Ward - Northern Illinois
I love this pick.
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There is a board for this, guys.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?board=52.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?board=52.0)
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The Lions made a nice pick here. They should be playoff contenders soon.
I disagree....they have Pettigrew already, and had many more pressing needs than TE.