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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: michael arvilla on April 26, 2006, 07:23:41 PM
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rich.. this may be a silly question but, why such high reps?.. would muscle growth be better if reps were a little lower?.. ia m always cuerious as to the in's and out;s of competitors training and have not seen reps ranges like the ones you use.. just curious as to what ya used to aquire mass.? was it always higher reps ect.. just curious..
I kept getting slight muscle tears doing the usual 6-12 reps. There comes a point where your just moving more weight than your body can handle and eventually it will catch up. So I started doing sets of 20 and trying to build the weight up every workout. Doing heavy weight for high reps is alot harder than doing low reps.
Example: There is a guy at the gym where I train at who every squat day goes up to 5 plates does like 6 reps. Then over to leg press loads up as many plates as the machine can hold and does 8-10 reps. Now I have to say his form is good, squats all the way down, good range on the leg press. One day he tells me he cant get his legs to grow.
I was training a client and invited him to work in with us.
10 sets of 20 reps with 225 on squats
His first set he did 24 all the way down perfect form and acted like it was easy. (smart ass)
Next set he struggled to get 20.
Third set he got 12 and wanted to rack it, I spotted him and made him get 20.
There was no fourth set, he threw up and left the gym.
Next time I saw him he was back to his old workout.
Try 10 sets of 20 reps on squats (rest 2-3 min)
Anyway back to the question, after doing this wokout for a while I felt like I was getting better results so I kept with it.
You have to try different things and come up with your own opinion. I remember reading as does everyone, chest you have to bench press so I did cause thats what I read. I would feel nothing in the muscle and it would hurt my shoulder but thats what I had to do if I wanted a chest like Arnolds. Then I would go over to cables and do cross-overs and get a pump in my chest that was insane. Is cross-overs a better exercise than flat bench? For me yes I dont go near the bench, haven't for about 5 years. Maybe for someone else it the exact opposite. Everyones different, not one exercise is best for everyone.
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Isn't he the guy selling a shirt that says "187 Murder" on it ?::)
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hmm, he's got a good point. maybe he can give this guy some help. he's been doing really low reps on the squats and it doesn't look like it's helping.
(http://mesorx.com/store/media/ronnie-coleman/6-1.jpg)
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Its true.
My training partner started dong high reps for squats. he now can do 315 for 20 reps. Thats impressive imho. It happened because he was doing 225 for 20, then it just made him stronger..it was the toughest thing he ever did.. i tried it..lol..scary...i might try it again..instead of working up to 405 for 5-6...
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A lot of guys I know have been doing "20 rep squats" and growing off it, it was the big thing about a year ago. I've tried it and it's brutal.
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I used to do 20 sets of 8-20 reps of squats. That hurt.
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I tried training with higher reps and had shitty results. My body responds best to heavy weight. I try to increase my weight on all exercises by 10 lbs per week. Heavy weight +Basic movements+ shocking muscle = mass. For me anyway..
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hmm, he's got a good point. maybe he can give this guy some help. he's been doing really low reps on the squats and it doesn't look like it's helping.
(http://mesorx.com/store/media/ronnie-coleman/6-1.jpg)
Ronnie has been known to do 50reps per set...
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I think your rep scheme is something you have to experiment with. some guys grow on heavy weight low reps. Other guys just tear their joints apart doing that , and grow on high reps (pump artist). When I trained with Vince Gironda years ago, he said you have to get the blood into the muscle to grow - get a good pump. How you get a good pump may depend on your genetic makeup- fast twitch vs slow twitch fibre type. Bottom line .....you should experiment and see what makes you grow.
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I need heavy weight to grow.
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I think your rep scheme is something you have to experiment with. some guys grow on heavy weight low reps. Other guys just tear their joints apart doing that , and grow on high reps (pump artist). When I trained with Vince Gironda years ago, he said you have to get the blood into the muscle to grow - get a good pump. How you get a good pump may depend on your genetic makeup- fast twitch vs slow twitch fibre type. Bottom line .....you should experiment and see what makes you grow.
There's no way you personally trained with Vince Gironda! ::)....or did you? ???
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Platz said that heavy lifting put on size but after he concluded that he had just enough size, that for detail and cuts he did 1 Set of Squats 20-30 @315, then 3 sets of 20 reps for Hack, 3 sets of 20 to 25 on Leg Ext, and finished with 3 sets of 20 to 30 on Leg curls.....
Discuss
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Isn't he the guy selling a shirt that says "187 Murder" on it ?::)
dude looks pretty damm good to me!!
(300 lbs in these shots)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/blflammia/300LBS.jpg)
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...I try to increase my weight on all exercises by 10 lbs per week....
So you add over 500 lbs to "all exercises" every year? You should be in some sort of record book. I've not made that kind of progress since I started seriously lifting 15 years ago.
Please post some footage of these crazy lifts or else kindly admit that you're full of shit.
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I did the 20 rep squat for a while, but had to give it up due to lack of focus...you've got to be focused like mofo to do these. I did see some decent gains though.....today is leg day so I'm giving it another go ;)
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I used to do 20 sets of 8-20 reps of squats. That hurt.
so you were not going to failure or even close to failure cause you would have been puking your guts out...20 sets of squats...that's about the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile...
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So you add over 500 lbs to "all exercises" every year? You should be in some sort of record book. I've not made that kind of progress since I started seriously lifting 15 years ago.
Please post some footage of these crazy lifts or else kindly admit that you're full of shit.
I did not say I did this for years on end... I try to add 10 lbs per week on exercises until a point obviously. I change exercises up every week and have a log of what I did and did not do. If i do benchpresses one week I do presses with DUmbells the next. i did not claim i add 10 lbs every week for years making my lifts become record setting. I TRY to add 10 lbs per week on things and when I reach strenth Limits I stay with the weight obv
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10 sets of 20 on squats is a great program................. ...to turn your legs into toothpicks.
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10 sets of 20 on squats is a great program................. ...to turn your legs into toothpicks.
wow...you and I agree on something. You might be able to do this if you were on loads of gear but no way in hell could a natural do this, unless he was only doing about 35% of his max weight and he still might overtrain. The squat is a brutal movement, I'll be the first to admit that I hate them but I've been forcing myself to do them and no way could I do 10 sets of 20...at least not how I do them...
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To some of you who said they didn't grow - I think the 20 rep squat thing should by cycled in between heavy cycles of weight. When you stop growing with heavy, give it a shot, I bet it pushes you through the plateau. The main thing to remember is you need to pick a weight that makes that 20th rep almost a failure. If you do 20 fairly easily, you're not doing it right.
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To some of you who said they didn't grow - I think the 20 rep squat thing should by cycled in between heavy cycles of weight. When you stop growing with heavy, give it a shot, I bet it pushes you through the plateau. The main thing to remember is you need to pick a weight that makes that 20th rep almost a failure. If you do 20 fairly easily, you're not doing it right.
yeah maybe one or two sets but do 10 and you'll be a slim, trim, slender overtrained little twat.
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Haha.
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yeah maybe one or two sets but do 10 and you'll be a slim, trim, slender overtrained little twat.
LOL, yes, you don't want to make it a permanent workout.
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yeah maybe one or two sets but do 10 and you'll be a slim, trim, slender overtrained little twat.
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true, you can tell someone is full of shit or juiced to the gills-which I have no problem with-if they are doing 10 sets of 20...your cns would be so messed up....
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so you were not going to failure or even close to failure cause you would have been puking your guts out...20 sets of squats...that's about the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile...
That program is for real men. I always went to failure. It took 2 hours to complete. I used to do it with quadzilla. My workout partner never when over 250 pounds on squads but his legs used to be humongus! Plus his a natural.
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dude looks pretty damm good to me!!
(300 lbs in these shots)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/blflammia/300LBS.jpg)
That's a big dude.
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10 sets of 20 on squats is a great program................. ...to turn your legs into toothpicks.
The reigning world record holder in the 10,000m does high rep squats ::) Kenesisa Bekele (sp).
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He looks tiny.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g68/b_sinning/isaac38g1.jpg)
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Wow, more Rich Piana picts please!
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10 sets of 20 on squats is a great program................. ...to turn your legs into toothpicks.
His legs are probably bigger than your chest, "sarcasm".
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His legs are probably bigger than your chest, "sarcasm".
his legs really aren't that impressive, they have good cuts but they're not that big.
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He looks tiny.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g68/b_sinning/isaac38g1.jpg)
This guy has an ideal physique, enough mass, , hardness and thickness, but geat lines and balance.
Howard
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yo Rich, got any more recent pics?
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Rich has been around for sometime won some big show's yet to make big impact nationally,on a funny note he did a total gym ad on tv with chuck norris few year's back said it gave him good pump.
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Rich has been around for sometime won some big show's yet to mae big impact nationally,on a funny note he did a total gym ad on tv with chuck norris few year's back said it gave him good pump.
Hahahaha...Total Gym ;D
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He meant it gave his wallet a decent pump.
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He meant it gave his wallet a decent pump.
A brother gots to get paid ;D
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wow, he loks really good
any more picts?
Meddy you in love?
Rich is an incredible bodybuilder who is wayyyy underated
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Wow!................(this is an old thread!)
i still say Rich is greatly underated as a competitive bodybuilder
guy looks great imo
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Not sure what happened here...........(how could he go from looking like this to this!?!?!??!)
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Not sure what happened here...........(how could he go from looking like this to this!?!?!??!)
Spilled over, same thing happened to Jaejonna
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jesus wtf happened? that's scary.