Papa's John Pizza Exposed

[pedro01]

You realize that he has a point, right? Thats why they sell it for 10.99 and not 11.00. Its a mental thing for consumers.

Masters in Business Administration right there 

[SF1900]

Thank you tdongz. now we all know what pizza looks like.

[pedro01]

People have a fundamentally short term, selfish view.

The market will sort things out over time but the pain of letting the market do that is a lot to bear.

As had been mentioned before, if Papa Johns had the technology, they might employ robots to make & deliver the Pizzas, effectively having a zero employee organisation. To the Papa John guy this is a win-win. The problem is, Papa John would not want everyone else to do the same thing. If everyone did this, had robots doing the work (including the robot manufacturers), then nobody would have a job. This also means that nobody would have any money and nobody would be buying Papa Johns pizzas.

Look at the decimation of the manufacturing industry in the US. Eventually, the factories will come back and some already are. The problem is the pain involved in getting to the point in which they do come back.

This is why a market need some degree of oversight. People/organisations are selfish, the problems they cause are long term with the benefits being short term.

Of course, the issue is who will oversee the market. Neither party in the US has demonstrated the capability. It's just an 8 yearly rotation of snouts at the trough with no-one having any sort of long term vision.

[Palpatine Q]

People have a fundamentally short term, selfish view.

The market will sort things out over time but the pain of letting the market do that is a lot to bear.

As had been mentioned before, if Papa Johns had the technology, they might employ robots to make & deliver the Pizzas, effectively having a zero employee organisation. To the Papa John guy this is a win-win. The problem is, Papa John would not want everyone else to do the same thing. If everyone did this, had robots doing the work (including the robot manufacturers), then nobody would have a job. This also means that nobody would have any money and nobody would be buying Papa Johns pizzas.

Look at the decimation of the manufacturing industry in the US. Eventually, the factories will come back and some already are. The problem is the pain involved in getting to the point in which they do come back.

This is why a market need some degree of oversight. People/organisations are selfish, the problems they cause are long term with the benefits being short term.

Of course, the issue is who will oversee the market. Neither party in the US has demonstrated the capability. It's just an 8 yearly rotation of snouts at the trough with no-one having any sort of long term vision.

Good post.

and that's the whole problem to me with this country, corporate greed.

Look at what's been going on, the people at the very top of the food chain, the ivy-league educated bluebloods, the supposed bastions of society, are just stealing fucking money. Enron, the "bailouts" .....these fuckers are doing shit that two-bit con men used to do...just TAKING the fucking money and making no bones about it. and seriously fucking thousands upon thousands of people right up the ass with no lube.

I mean shit, at least pretend you are doing your job, and come up with an intelligent  excuse when you get busted, like white collar crooks used to do

[RadOncDoc]

This is precisely what it prevents, the crowding of ER`s.

LOL, you obviously don't know how medical reimbursement works. Try making an appointment with a local private doc when you have medicaid. Ain't gonna happen. Even Medicare patients (which pays a hell of a lot better than medicaid) have a hard time finding docs these days. Through Obamacare, a large percentage of the newly insured poor are going to be shuttled to medicaid which means they go to county hospitals or ridiculously busy academic centers where the wait times are already weeks for appointments and where they are having a hell of a time recruiting non-foreign grads to primary care medicine. Your only chance for care when it takes weeks to get an appointment is the ER. Urgent cares typically do not accept medicaid patients, and even the docs at the academic centers who do have their own clinics do whatever they can to fill their schedule with private patients first since they are still ultimately reimbursed based on the money they bring in.

[Palpatine Q]

LOL, you obviously don't know how medical reimbursement works. Try making an appointment with a local private doc when you have medicaid. Ain't gonna happen. Even Medicare patients (which pays a hell of a lot better than medicaid) have a hard time finding docs these days. Through Obamacare, a large percentage of the newly insured poor are going to be shuttled to medicaid which means they go to county hospitals or ridiculously busy academic centers where the wait times are already weeks for appointments and where they are having a hell of a time recruiting non-foreign grads to primary care specialties. Your only chance for care when it takes weeks to get an appointment is the ER. Urgent cares typically do not accept medicaid patients, and even the docs at the academic centers do whatever they can to fill their schedule with private patients first.

yes, but waiting a month to see a doc is better than never seeing one at all. and if you have a traumatic injury, you go to the ER like everybody else.

[tbombz]

The pizza stops for a few minutes and you fucks go back to talking politics.  Your lucky I'm posting on my phone and can't include pics or else I'd ne throwin pepperoni and sausage all up in your shit.

[pedro01]

Then why is he the one complaining?, unless he doesn't want to pay for the shiny building people to be insured

More than likely, he is complaining because he is a Republican.

Similarly, we will have democrat voters whining about Republican policies when they get in after Obama (as it will be their turn).

[Palpatine Q]

The pizza stops for a few minutes and you fucks go back to talking politics.  Your lucky I'm posting on my phone and can't include pics or else I'd ne throwin pepperoni and sausage all up in your shit.

If I was you, I'd be worried about the "pepperoni"  and "sausages" all up in your "shit"....

[tbombz]

Lol clever. Not a worry so much as a pleasure I save for special occasions haha

[Palpatine Q]

More than likely, he is complaining because he is a Republican.

Similarly, we will have democrat voters whining about Republican policies when they get in after Obama (as it will be their turn).

You and I think similarly when it comes to politics. the most amusing thing is when the sitting president gets blamed for the state of the economy, when those seeds were planted  years ago. like Obama is responsible for the economy he inherited. a 20 year housing bubble built on deregulation from the fucking 80's bursts, and the fallout is his fault...LOLOL.

[Primemuscle]

Remember back in the 80s when Dominos went from Chevettes as company owned delivery vehicles to private vehicles? That was due to the cost to insure. The government will make things less efficient.

How does the price of auto insurance have anything to do with government and efficiency? The auto insurance industry is a private, for profit industry.

[pedro01]

The thing I find odd is the people that keep shouting "Communism" in this discussion.

You already have many socialised services in the US. The fire service and the police for instance. Some of healthcare is already socialised.

Yet, some people are claiming that this change is "communism". I know it's tongue in cheek but it is rather indicative of being somewhat brainwashed.

What you have in the US and in fact many countries around the world is a large degree of social conditioning and an associated reluctance to change. Each country has a varying degree of social programmes. People in the US have been conditioned to it being one way. Now it is changing against the way they have been conditioned to believe is right. The end result is an overreaction and these shouts of communism.

This isn't communism. You'll know when that comes because it will be accompanied with a rapid reduction in the population.

What this is, is a change in the existing social policies of the US. People seem to be focused too much on one angle of this argument - the "American Dream" angle. You know - the one where every American is really a temporarily embarrassed millionaire and that everyone can make it if they try. Well they can't. You could be smart, work hard, really try your best and still fail. In fact, failure is the most likely outcome.

Successful people read way too much into what they did and way too little into the fact that luck played a great part in their success.

Next time you go through the "self help" and "biography" section of Barnes and Noble, consider the impact of Survivorship Bias. How many people that tried & failed write books and if they did how many people would be interested in reading them?

And for those of you that have been successful and a reading this post. You really think luck played no part in your success?

[tbombz]

Communism is only a theory and it is a beautiful theory. everyone should read sir Thomas Moore's book "utopia". 

[pedro01]

Communism is only a theory and it is a beautiful theory. everyone should read sir Thomas Moore's book "utopia". 

I am talking reality, not theory.

The reality of communism is nasty but that's besides the point. Obamacare isn't communism any more than your Fire Service is communism....

Mind you - they do drive those red engines....

[tbombz]

The nazis called themsleves socialists. Doesn't mean they were.  There has never been a real communist state. Ever.

[Palpatine Q]

The nazis called themsleves socialists. Doesn't mean they were.  There has never been a real communist state. Ever.

and there never will be, it's idealism to the Nth degree, people aren't equal and nobody will ever convince them that they are

[BigCyp]

and there never will be, it's idealism to the Nth degree, people aren't equal and nobody will ever convince them that they are

Solid post.

Botoom line is, when Idealism meets realism....someones going to die for the cause.

[Raymondo]

God forbid he actually absorbs the cost and makes a fraction less money than he does now, and all of his workers have health coverage.

That's why I hate fucking  republicans, they would kill their mother rather than actually LOSE money,no matter how insignificant the sum... it's the ONLY thing that matters, foreign policy, domestic policy, religion, the environment...they could give a flying fuck....Just don't touch my fucking money.

It is exactly like that. Papa John's is a publicly traded company, they are beholden to their shareholders and noone else.

If the quarterly report shows an 8 million dollar loss due to the healthcare situation, the CEO will take a hit. The board may decide he is weak or not doing a proper job (= not making enough money for the shareholdes). So he's whining because they will have to find ways to cover the loss and if these don't work, he might end up losing his job.

[Raymondo]

I don't recall saying you were not employed. Btw, I give a lot of time to two some times three different organizations  along with giving money to charities.

Let me make a wild guess here: most of them are christian organisations and charities, right?

[deceiver]

The thing I find odd is the people that keep shouting "Communism" in this discussion.

You already have many socialised services in the US. The fire service and the police for instance. Some of healthcare is already socialised.

Yet, some people are claiming that this change is "communism". I know it's tongue in cheek but it is rather indicative of being somewhat brainwashed.

What you have in the US and in fact many countries around the world is a large degree of social conditioning and an associated reluctance to change. Each country has a varying degree of social programmes. People in the US have been conditioned to it being one way. Now it is changing against the way they have been conditioned to believe is right. The end result is an overreaction and these shouts of communism.

This isn't communism. You'll know when that comes because it will be accompanied with a rapid reduction in the population.

What this is, is a change in the existing social policies of the US. People seem to be focused too much on one angle of this argument - the "American Dream" angle. You know - the one where every American is really a temporarily embarrassed millionaire and that everyone can make it if they try. Well they can't. You could be smart, work hard, really try your best and still fail. In fact, failure is the most likely outcome.

Successful people read way too much into what they did and way too little into the fact that luck played a great part in their success.

Next time you go through the "self help" and "biography" section of Barnes and Noble, consider the impact of Survivorship Bias. How many people that tried & failed write books and if they did how many people would be interested in reading them?

And for those of you that have been successful and a reading this post. You really think luck played no part in your success?

I'm Polish citizen, not American, no American media could brainwash me and trust me, as Polish citizen when I see communism I know it.

Success is all about luck because first and foremost you have to be born in right family, receive proper education from early age and so on. It doesn't change the fact that promoting success is the right direction. That's how economy grows and the further from pure capitalism we are, the slower this process becomes until the point of stagnation and in the end - recession. Overspending and social policies are number one reason of worldwide crisis and number one reason why countries like Greece, Italy, Spain are going down.

[Shockwave]

Masters in Business Administration right there  

Lol, one has only to look at my mother or wife to know it's true. If it's 10.99, its only 10 bucks. Dead serious.

[Shockwave]

everyone can make it if they try. Well they can't. You could be smart, work hard, really try your best and still fail. In fact, failure is the most likely outcome.

I don't think anyone on here is naive enough to believe that. Becoming "successful" (at what point is defined as success? 250k a year? 500k a year? 1 million a year?) has just as much to do with luck as it does with hard work or intelligence.

[tu_holmes]

I don't think anyone on here is naive enough to believe that. Becoming "successful" (at what point is defined as success? 250k a year? 500k a year? 1 million a year?) has just as much to do with luck as it does with hard work or intelligence.

Good fortune goes a long way.

[deceiver]

I don't think anyone on here is naive enough to believe that. Becoming "successful" (at what point is defined as success? 250k a year? 500k a year? 1 million a year?) has just as much to do with luck as it does with hard work or intelligence.

What they don't understand is that luck is a relative term. That's elementary conditional probability. From some perspective, everything is a matter of luck - our gender, intelligence, abilities, family, upbringing and so on. If we assume these are arleady known and we don't take them into the equation "luck" factor still remains. This does not mean, however, that we cannot turn the odds in our favor. With enough intelligence we can predict some events and make decisions that lead us to achieving success, however we define it. Some may say, from their perspective, that these people had "luck", some would argue that they simply knew something you don't.

This is irrelevant to our discussion. What drives Groink is simple envy. He tries to fool us into believing that lower class and standard of life is his concern while his true motives were revealed when he started talking about "royal" thieves from "upper circles". This is same language that Marxists and Leninists used, language of hate towards people from privilege that lead to bloody revolution against them. Now we can all see why he boasted about his girls, physique, lied about natural status - he tried to make up for what he perceives as his failure.

There is no need for hate for those who achieved success. Most of them were born to achieve it anyway. If you, Groink, truly are satisfied with your life and your accomplishments then why all this hate?