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TREASON
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/20/politics/mike-johnson-ukraine-aid-russia-zelensky-putin/index.html
or should I say he'd been bought like a prostitute.....
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Ебать!
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So MJ is just a libturd after-all?? A "kvnt in sheeps clothing" if you will?
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Ukraine has no way to achieve a victory. They are running out of soldiers. Russia has plenty and are taking a fraction of the killed and injured compared to the Ukraine. No way should the US give the Ukraine arms and all the cash they provide. It's money laundering in the Ukraine and in the US. If Trump was in he would negotiate a peace quick.
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Ukraine has no way to achieve a victory. They are running out of soldiers. Russia has plenty and are taking a fraction of the killed and injured compared to the Ukraine. No way should the US give the Ukraine arms and all the cash they provide. It's money laundering in the Ukraine and in the US. If Trump was in he would negotiate a peace quick.
You give them enough weapons and they win we could give them ballistic missiles and send Russia back to the stone ages if we really wanted to make a point
Russia is also losing an entire generation and the war is extremely unpopular in Russia. They are also not defending their homes but invading defenders will defend until they are all dead invaders get tired of losses and go home.
Ukraine is absolutely going to win the war. Nato and the US will not let them lose. Russia is not taking over the Ukraine.
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You guys act like having Ukrainians fight and die killing Russians with US weapons is a bad thing. Would you prefer our soldiers die fighting Russia?
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You guys act like having Ukrainians fight and die killing Russians with US weapons is a bad thing. Would you prefer our soldiers die fighting Russia?
If you were still in the infantry I don’t see any one here being opposed.
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You give them enough weapons and they win we could give them ballistic missiles and send Russia back to the stone ages if we really wanted to make a point
Russia is also losing an entire generation and the war is extremely unpopular in Russia. They are also not defending their homes but invading defenders will defend until they are all dead invaders get tired of losses and go home.
Ukraine is absolutely going to win the war. Nato and the US will not let them lose. Russia is not taking over the Ukraine.
I think that depends on how you define winning. I think once a final treaty is made Putin will get recognition of his takeover of Crimea and also get additional lands that make a bridge to it through Donbass and other parts of Ukraine. I don't think he wanted to take over all of Ukraine.
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Zelenskyy needs new houses - the tax payers better pay up.
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You can look at and hear Mike Johnson for a second and realize he’s a fake. He looks like one of the disguises John Malkovich’s character used in the end of In the Line of Fire
(https://assets.mycast.io/characters/mitch-leary-1192265-normal.jpg?1605556390)
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You give them enough weapons and they win we could give them ballistic missiles and send Russia back to the stone ages if we really wanted to make a point
Russia is also losing an entire generation and the war is extremely unpopular in Russia. They are also not defending their homes but invading defenders will defend until they are all dead invaders get tired of losses and go home.
Ukraine is absolutely going to win the war. Nato and the US will not let them lose. Russia is not taking over the Ukraine.
Ukraine needs to deploy "takedown teams", each one should have an "invincible hankins" on point duty
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(https://i.postimg.cc/k5m532DZ/mYCRP2bo.jpg).
"The object of war is not to get faded for your country, but to make the other bastard get faded for his."
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You give them enough weapons and they win we could give them ballistic missiles and send Russia back to the stone ages if we really wanted to make a point
Russia is also losing an entire generation and the war is extremely unpopular in Russia. They are also not defending their homes but invading defenders will defend until they are all dead invaders get tired of losses and go home.
Ukraine is absolutely going to win the war. Nato and the US will not let them lose. Russia is not taking over the Ukraine.
Thank you. The Putin apologists within our own government are really getting to me (and to most Americans still, thank God). We have our issues, but Russia is REALLY f…ed up.
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Thank you. The Putin apologists within our own government are really getting to me (and to most Americans still, thank God). We have our issues, but Russia is REALLY f…ed up.
If you want to use the word “apologist” then so be it. At this point I would say it’s better than being a Biden or Zelenskyy apologist. All three are pieces of shit. It’s just so happens that Putin is the least smelly of the three pieces of shit. The Ukrainian vagrant leader just begs for $$$ and most of it can’t be tracked with no accountability for OUR money. Biden and co bows to Ukraine and China because they both have traitor dirt on Biden, even more than what’s reported.
Biden is trying to disarm our own country while giving over $200 billion to arm their citizens and securing THEIR borders. Screw that.
As for Johnson, I firmly believe he’s being coerced but screw him for being weak. There were 14 “republicans” that didn’t vote for this. Fuck the rest of them. There was ZERO funds for the US in this last package
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If you want to use the word “apologist” then so be it. At this point I would say it’s better than being a Biden or Zelenskyy apologist. All three are pieces of shit. It’s just so happens that Putin is the least smelly of the three pieces of shit. The Ukrainian vagrant leader just begs for $$$ and most of it can’t be tracked with no accountability for OUR money. Biden and co bows to Ukraine and China because they both have traitor dirt on Biden, even more than what’s reported.
Biden is trying to disarm our own country while giving over $200 billion to arm their citizens and securing THEIR borders. Screw that.
As for Johnson, I firmly believe he’s being coerced but screw him for being weak. There were 14 “republicans” that didn’t vote for this. Fuck the rest of them. There was ZERO funds for the US in this last package
Can’t tell you how much I disagree with that analysis. Ronald Reagan rolling over in his grave.
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You give them enough weapons and they win we could give them ballistic missiles and send Russia back to the stone ages if we really wanted to make a point
Russia is also losing an entire generation and the war is extremely unpopular in Russia. They are also not defending their homes but invading defenders will defend until they are all dead invaders get tired of losses and go home.
Ukraine is absolutely going to win the war. Nato and the US will not let them lose. Russia is not taking over the Ukraine.
Good man Bhanky.
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I think that depends on how you define winning. I think once a final treaty is made Putin will get recognition of his takeover of Crimea and also get additional lands that make a bridge to it through Donbass and other parts of Ukraine. I don't think he wanted to take over all of Ukraine.
Oh but he did. He tried and failed. Ukraine is really Russian territory to him.
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Good man Bhanky.
The only sensible words I have seen coming from Brian, since like ever.
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Oh but he did. He tried and failed. Ukraine is really Russian territory to him.
And neighbors have the full low down on him. Neutral peace loving Sweden rushed into the arms of NATO so fast you couldn’t even blink. YES, apologist is the correct word, so be it.
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And neighbors have the full low down on him. Neutral peace loving Sweden rushed into the arms of NATO so fast you couldn’t even blink. YES, apologist is the correct word, so be it.
Putin goes to war against Ukraine to prevent enlargement of NATO on his borders.
Not only did his 3 day operation fail miserably, NATO gained two powerful allies all but encircling Russia.
Putin: master strategist.
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The dems with the RINO's win again. As you can see 100% of the dems vote the same way. The republicans are their worst enemies and most are pussies.
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i about puked watching the "live" vote and seeing all the elected fucks waving Ukranian flags and dancing around... like a bunch of little kids who got their way. meanwhile.. the USA is a dumpster fire.... ::)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/k5m532DZ/mYCRP2bo.jpg).
"The object of war is not to get faded for your country, but to make the other bastard get faded for his."
Classic. Haha ha
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i about puked watching the "live" vote and seeing all the elected fucks waving Ukranian flags and dancing around... like a bunch of little kids who got their way. meanwhile.. the USA is a dumpster fire.... ::)
Jesus. Sounds cringey as hell. Get out the guillotine!
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(https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-21-2015/eBNqBQ.gif)
Clint Eastwood blocking assassin Mike Johnson’s bullet from killing Trump at the next Presidential Inauguration Dinner
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You can look at and hear Mike Johnson for a second and realize he’s a fake. He looks like one of the disguises John Malkovich’s character used in the end of In the Line of Fire
(https://assets.mycast.io/characters/mitch-leary-1192265-normal.jpg?1605556390)
Why’d you shoot those ducks, asshole?
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Why’d you shoot those ducks, asshole?
“I'm sorry, I'm afraid I can't let you ladies leave this evening.”
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i about puked watching the "live" vote and seeing all the elected fucks waving Ukranian flags and dancing around... like a bunch of little kids who got their way. meanwhile.. the USA is a dumpster fire.... ::)
Here’s the puke factor: “I’m a tough broad. Just you wait, I’m gonna up and vacate him. Then watch how much money I pull in on my Twitter’
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Oh but he did. He tried and failed. Ukraine is really Russian territory to him.
I'm no military experts but surely Putin could in theory bomb the shit out of Kiev with some of those hypersonics and what have you. To me, a complete layman, it would probably cost too much to totally take over, Russia would have to be responsible for the rebuild.
Regarding winning wars, you don't necessarily win just by being superior militarily. I mean most say the US lost Vietnam, lost in Afghanistan against some towelheads wearing skirts which are now supposedly stronger than they ever were. After decades of war. Against Iran, Israel + the US could easily "win" through sheer military superiority but if some results are like Israel having been bombed badly and the Jews have to relocate, did they really win? Some experts say the Iranians really exposed the vulnerabilities of Israel. They did a demonstration with zero, I think casualties, which was planned I think, but got through something like a dozen missiles. They also prewarned the US and Israel that this "moderate" response was coming. But what if instead of 300 drones and missiles they sent 1500 drones and sacrificed their most advanced missiles, what then? Suposedly, as they claim, they used old stock, almost expired stuff and not that advanced missiles. Of course at that point Israel might drop the atomic bomb and "win" but Israel might be fucked anyway. And you'd still have all the surrounding hostile states. BTW, if Israel were to fall, some say Ukraine would be the natural second homeland for Jews as supposedly Ukraine had the highest concentration of Jews out of any country at some point in the early 20th century.
I think the best hope for Ukraine is some type of act of God where Putin died from any cause. Ukraine admits they have lost without the aid package but while the aid might help a little temporarily many experts say it would not change the ultimate result of the war, some alledge these funds will have close to zero effect anyways. The US will not send any long range missiles, they have to be very careful with the way they will supply the airplanes, because Russia says if the take off from Poland or whatever they, the other countries, will be legitimate targets and Russia will shoot at the planes at their take off, supply locations. Is there any scenario where the Russians give or pack their bags and leave? Hard to see as thisis now prestige and outright existential for them, but what do I know.
Well that's my interpretation being an admitted dumbass on war matters ;D
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I'm no military experts but surely Putin could in theory bomb the shit out of Kiev with some of those hypersonics and what have you. To me, a complete layman, it would probably cost too much to totally take over, Russia would have to be responsible for the rebuild.
Regarding winning wars, you don't necessarily win just by being superior militarily. I mean most say the US lost Vietnam, lost in Afghanistan against some towelheads wearing skirts which are now supposedly stronger than they ever were. After decades of war. Against Iran, Israel + the US could easily "win" through sheer military superiority but if some results are like Israel having been bombed badly and the Jews have to relocate, did they really win? Some experts say the Iranians really exposed the vulnerabilities of Israel. They did a demonstration with zero, I think casualties, which was planned I think, but got through something like a dozen missiles. They also prewarned the US and Israel that this "moderate" response was coming. But what if instead of 300 drones and missiles they sent 1500 drones and sacrificed their most advanced missiles, what then? Suposedly, as they claim, they used old stock, almost expired stuff and not that advanced missiles. Of course at that point Israel might drop the atomic bomb and "win" but Israel might be fucked anyway. And you'd still have all the surrounding hostile states. BTW, if Israel were to fall, some say Ukraine would be the natural second homeland for Jews as supposedly Ukraine had the highest concentration of Jews out of any country at some point in the early 20th century.
I think the best hope for Ukraine is some type of act of God where Putin died from any cause. Ukraine admits they have lost without the aid package but while the aid might help a little temporarily many experts say it would not change the ultimate result of the war, some alledge these funds will have close to zero effect anyways. The US will not send any long range missiles, they have to be very careful with the way they will supply the airplanes, because Russia says if the take off from Poland or whatever they, the other countries, will be legitimate targets and Russia will shoot at the planes at their take off, supply locations. Is there any scenario where the Russians give or pack their bags and leave? Hard to see as thisis now prestige and outright existential for them, but what do I know.
Well that's my interpretation being an admitted dumbass on war matters ;D
Unfortunately there may be truth to what you say. But we (and Ukraine who are stalwart), have no choice. “OK, you took Crimea, we’ll let that slide. Now let’s go ahead and let Donbas slide, we can solve the whole thing in a day or two by doing that.” That approach gave us Hitler.
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Unfortunately there may be truth to what you say. But we (and Ukraine who are stalwart), have no choice. “OK, you took Crimea, we’ll let that slide. Now let’s go ahead and let Donbas slide, we can solve the whole thing in a day or two by doing that.” That approach gave us Hitler.
But if you think realisticslly, can you see a scenario where Russia gives back the WHOLE of Ukraine, without a change of Ukrainian goverment to a "neutral" one? Isn't this a case where there will necessarily be a compromise on the part of Ukraine?
Supposedly, and some talk about this as fact, that a few months of war Zelensky was about to sign some agreement and the US supposedly came in and convinced/ordered Zelensky to not sign any agreement with Russia, to go on fighting. So the US is in a bad spot, can't abandon Ukraine now even if they wanted to, it's the US's war as much as Ukraine's.
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But if you think realisticslly, can you see a scenario where Russia gives back the WHOLE of Ukraine, without a change of Ukrainian goverment to a "neutral" one? Isn't this a case where there will necessarily be a compromise on the part of Ukraine?
Supposedly, and some talk about this as fact, that a few months of war Zelensky was about to sign some agreement and the US supposedly came in and convinced/ordered Zelensky to not sign any agreement with Russia, to go on fighting. So the US is in a bad spot, can't abandon Ukraine now even if they wanted to, it's the US's war as much as Ukraine's.
Boris Johnson fucked it up
https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/official-johnson-forced-kyiv-to-refuse-russian-peace-deal/
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Epic fucking reversal by Johnson. Right from his inaugural speech where the guy third in line for the presidency said he intends to fund other countries and made no mention of fixing anything in his own.
Srsly "they" must have pictures of every politician with their dick in a kid or something. The guy did a complete 180. It's fucking wild.
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Epic fucking reversal by Johnson. Right from his inaugural speech where the guy third in line for the presidency said he intends to fund other countries and made no mention of fixing anything in his own.
Srsly "they" must have pictures of every politician with their dick in a kid or something. The guy did a complete 180. It's fucking wild.
This. Must had a hell of a time at Bohemian Grove.
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You give them enough weapons and they win we could give them ballistic missiles and send Russia back to the stone ages if we really wanted to make a point
Russia is also losing an entire generation and the war is extremely unpopular in Russia. They are also not defending their homes but invading defenders will defend until they are all dead invaders get tired of losses and go home.
Ukraine is absolutely going to win the war. Nato and the US will not let them lose. Russia is not taking over the Ukraine.
Stupid Down syndrome autistic retarded Kvnt - every day this carries on we get more refugees here and we’re on thre brink of civil war it’s fuck ups like you who enable it
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There was no peace deal. There was terms for surrender.
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There was no peace deal. There was terms for surrender.
They have less leverage now than then. They're running out of Ukrainians. US public support is kaput and it's not coming back. Americans want focus on domestic issues.
Give them your own money. Go fight if you believe in the cause. But enough of the government compelling people to support this hopeless ill conceived neocon wetdream.
I still can't believe you got sold on this after covid. Your gf's vagina must be out of this world.
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All the politicians, including Trump, support this. What did you think was going to happen?
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You give them enough weapons and they win we could give them ballistic missiles and send Russia back to the stone ages if we really wanted to make a point
Russia is also losing an entire generation and the war is extremely unpopular in Russia. They are also not defending their homes but invading defenders will defend until they are all dead invaders get tired of losses and go home.
Ukraine is absolutely going to win the war. Nato and the US will not let them lose. Russia is not taking over the Ukraine.
Imagine writing and believing this
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Ukraine is absolutely going to win the war. Nato and the US will not let them lose. Russia is not taking over the Ukraine.
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They have less leverage now than then. They're running out of Ukrainians. US public support is kaput and it's not coming back. Americans want focus on domestic issues.
Give them your own money. Go fight if you believe in the cause. But enough of the government compelling people to support this hopeless ill conceived neocon wetdream.
I still can't believe you got sold on this after covid. Your gf's vagina must be out of this world.
I am not sold on anything. I am not for countries invading thier neighbours, bombing, raping and pillaging. Its you Russian nut suckers that are blind to that.
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Most Americans still support how we are helping. That may not last forever but it is the case right now, please do not let the overseas crowd get the wrong impression. There are sizable minorities (mostly Republican but some Democrats) who feel we need to “solve our own problems” rather than give money overseas. It was exactly the same here prior to WWII. Now all of us fully own what we did during WWII (in retrospect).
By the way, I do not understand the Boris Johnson proposal at all. What? The US and UK install a “neutral” government of our own choosing in a democratic nation that votes its own governments in and out?
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Most Americans still support how we are helping. That may not last forever but it is the case right now, please do not let the overseas crowd get the wrong impression. There are sizable minorities (mostly Republican but some Democrats) who feel we need to “solve our own problems” rather than give money overseas. It was exactly the same here prior to WWII.
Right. And looked what happened then.
The bankers want these wars.
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Imagine writing and believing this
How much money would you like to Bet? The West has too much invested now they will not let Ukraine fall to Russia. We thought Ukraine would fall in days and didn't help it was only after Ukraine proved harder to defeat that the West started supporting them. Now we are all in the Ukraine is absolutely going to "win" the war. There is a greater chance of Putin losing control of Russia at this point than the Ukraine falling.
Russia is not fighting the Ukraine they are now in a proxy War with the West and the West is not losing to Russia
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I am not sold on anything. I am not for countries invading thier neighbours, bombing, raping and pillaging. Its you Russian nut suckers that are blind to that.
How do you go from seeing MSM be totally full of shit during covid to swallowing everything they feed you on Ukraine? Yours is an extraordinary case.
The US has precipitated this since the fall of the wall. NATO encroachment, 2014 coup and the Neuland tapes, the Nyet Means Nyet memorandum. Jesus, even the Trump impeachment concerned him leveraging holding up weapons to Ukraine. Why were we putting nuclear capable missile systems on the Russian border? How do you think the US would react to China or Russia doing that in Mexico?
The US is doing regime change and weapons installations on the Russian border because the US government is composed of war criminals, and has been since before either of us was born.
You desperately need to get your info from varied sources. Asserting the invasion was unprovoked is laughable and your inability to point to anything specific to support your position is cringe. Don't do this irl. You're embarrassingly ill informed.
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How much money would you like to Bet? The West has too much invested now they will not let Ukraine fall to Russia. We thought Ukraine would fall in days and didn't help it was only after Ukraine proved harder to defeat that the West started supporting them. Now we are all in the Ukraine is absolutely going to "win" the war. There is a greater chance of Putin losing control of Russia at this point than the Ukraine falling.
Russia is not fighting the Ukraine they are now in a proxy War with the West and the West is not losing to Russia
Name the last US ally we didn't ultimately abandon in a hot conflict. Name the last war we won.
So far we've sent almost every battle capable Ukraine to his death, devalued US currency, and strengthened a Rus-China military alliance as well as a BRICSetc economic front, and caused US allies to ask why exactly they're with us. Great plan.
We have greedy traitorous morons steering the ship. If you intentionally set out to destroy the US you couldn't do a better job.
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Trump is throwing Johnson a lifeline, so this all may be a moot point right now. Except when a few Democrats vote for Johnson to stay for a few more months, millions of MAGAs will have a hissy fit just the same.
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Now all of us fully own what we did during WWII (in retrospect).
But there is a minority who still thinks it was a mistake. Famously Patton supposedly said "we backed the wrong guy." And from my readings, who to support there wasn't automatically certain, different approaches were considered. Russia of course said THEY beat Hitler and they sure paid a huge price. My understanding is that the US came in to stop Russia from taking over the whole of Europe, it wasn't just a concern over Jews.
I'm not a WWII historian by any means but it seems there are a lot of assumptions about the whole thing by the general public that may not be true. I've read a lot of far right stuff and they of course think WWII by the US was a brother war that should never have happened plus the Nazi ideology is somewhat attractive since they fought everything these guys abhor, they see the US like Weimar then with all the degeneracy, LBTQ, transsexualism, Marxism and so on. Nazis burned degenerate LGBTQ books in bonfires.
I know a lot of getbiggers would approve of such burnings today lol, even The Scott who is a Jew :D
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Boris Johnson fucked it up
https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/official-johnson-forced-kyiv-to-refuse-russian-peace-deal/
That's it, it was Boris, forgot the politician's name and nationality.
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But there is a minority who still thinks it was a mistake. Famously Patton supposedly said "we backed the wrong guy." And from my readings, who to support there wasn't automatically certain, different approaches were considered. Russia of course said THEY beat Hitler and they sure paid a huge price. My understanding is that the US came in to stop Russia from taking over the whole of Europe, it wasn't just a concern over Jews.
I'm not a WWII historian by any means but it seems there are a lot of assumptions about the whole thing by the general public that may not be true. I've read a lot of far right stuff and they of course think WWII by the US was a brother war that should never have happened plus the Nazi ideology is somewhat attractive since they fought everything these guys abhor, they see the US like Weimar then with all the degeneracy, LBTQ, transsexualism, Marxism and so on.
I have never met anyone personally in that “attractive” minority (maybe they out there and are keeping it secret) and, as centrist and liberal as I may be, I know LOTS of conservative red-blooded Americans, who would never say or think anything of that sort.
I do agree with you that the American public does not appreciate the Russian connection, including their contributions to the war effort as well as some of the early “writing on the wall” aspects of their future that you point out.
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I have never met anyone personally in that “attractive” minority (maybe they out there and are keeping it secret) and, as centrist and liberal as I may be, I know LOTS of conservative red-blooded Americans, who would never say or think anything of that sort.
I do agree with you that the American public does not appreciate the Russian connection, including their contributions to the war effort as well as some of the early “writing on the wall” aspects of their future that you point out.
Yeah there are certain things you just have to keep to yourself if you have something to lose. But there are a lot of arguments over WWII even by some named individuals, like the Jew Ron Unz. He has a ton of these articles. He mentions Pat Buchanan in the beginning here
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/
https://www.unz.com/runz/why-everything-you-know-about-world-war-ii-is-wrong/
I don't necessarily endorse anything or everything there, just demonstrating there are dissenting opinions out there, and as Unz demonstrates, lots of dissenting journalists have been purged and nonpersoned and these types get censored on social media (where most normies get their info). It's amazing Unz still has his site. Google made his sites disappear on google searches for example, can't post links to his stuff on FB and so on.
If someone makes the investment in time to read those types of articles I'd love to hear "reviews" here. Some member here know Unz well, but it takes some investment to read those articles. Matt C probably has read some ;D
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I skimmed Ron Unz and will read it more thoroughly later. If that were assigned as reading in a World History class (which it never would be), I would say, now go read “Mein Kampf”.
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I skimmed Ron Unz and will read it more thoroughly later. If that were assigned as reading in a World History class (which it never would be), I would say, now go read “Mein Kampf”.
Ron does often say he doesn't know for sure, that some things are suspicious and so on, so he can't be accused of lying in retrospect, he's very careful that way. But overall his articles do for sure explain some things you never would otherwise be exposed to unless you were some freak DEEP in the conspiracy trenches lol.
I haven't read Mein Kampf, I should have, but critics say it's poorly written and repetitive snd so on, but it sure wouldn't hurt. I've read some short sections, like the one "... and gradually I started to hate them" lol. I did read his "Table Talk." Who has read the whole Mein Kamph, did you?
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I have never met anyone personally in that minority (maybe they out there and are keeping it secret) and, as centrist and liberal as I may be, I know LOTS of conservative red-blooded Americans, who would never say or think anything of that sort.
The majority of the US was opposed at the time. "No more American boys dead in Europe." Everyone remembered WW1. FDR's campaign promise was to keep the US out.
Entry into the European theater was a cynical decision. It was apparent that Russia would win and own all Europe, as it did the eastern part, unless the US took action to meet its geostrategic imperative. It had nothing to do with wanting to defeat Nazis.
No shit nobody you talk to in 2024 thinks so. Have you been to school and seen entertainment media?
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The majority of the US was opposed at the time. "No more American boys dead in Europe." Everyone remembered WW1. FDR's campaign promise was to keep the US out.
Entry into the European theater was a cynical decision. It was apparent that Russia would win and own all Europe, as it did the eastern part, unless the US took action to meet its geostrategic imperative. It had nothing to do with wanting to defeat Nazis.
No shit nobody you talk to in 2024 thinks so. Have you been to school and seen entertainment media?
Thank God for that “geostrategic imperative”.
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It had nothing to do with wanting to defeat Nazis.
No shit nobody you talk to in 2024 thinks so. Have you been to school and seen entertainment media?
Yeah that's what I was getting at, it may not have had much to do with Hitler and the Jews, but fighting Russia in Europe.
Ron makes the argument, regarding the Holocaust, thst it was only starting to be talked about a lot in the 60s, things were pretty quiet about it until then. He also says that in the autobiographies of Churchill, and I forgot the other central character, there was supposedly zero mention of the Holocaust which he found strange. I'm not saying it didn't happen myself though... but there are some perhaps legitimate questions about the whole thing.
Ron Unz debated a guy named David Cole, another Jew about Nazis so that might be interesting too for some, and even some right wingers said Cole won that debate.
Cole was outed as a Holocaust Denier in decades past and the Jews wanted to kill him, but his thing was not that the Holocaust didn't happen, but that Aushwitz in particular wasn't an extermination camp, but that a couple of million were killed in the Aktion Reinhart camps with diesel fuel, if I'm not mistaken.
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Thank God for that “geostrategic initiative”.
I disagree. The OSS botched the calculation. Seems like a European problem to me without a geostrategic imperative for the US.
Your rationale seems to be what's best for other nations at the expense of US lives and treasure. Is that accurate?
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Yeah that's what I was getting at, it may not have had much to do with Hitler and the Jews, but fighting Russia in Europe.
Ron makes the argument, regarding the Holocaust, thst it was only starting to be talked about a lot in the 60s, things were pretty quiet about it until then. He also says that in the autobiographies of Churchill, and I forgot the other central character, there was supposedly zero mention of the Holocaust which he found strange. I'm not saying it didn't happen myself though... but there are some perhaps legitimate questions about the whole thing.
Ron Unz debated a guy named David Cole, another Jew about Nazis so that might be interesting too for some, and even some right wingers said Cole won that debate.
Well, I do agree that lots of “mythology” occurs. Go to the WWII museum in New Orleans or any of the Holocaust related museums, and you can see that in spades. Hollywood feature films are part of that too. I admit that I buy into those mythologies in a big way from an emotional standpoint.
Russia, vital to the success of the WWII war effort, has totally different mythologies.
But here’s what I would say: Because some of those aspects were not discussed in the same way at the time of the war or for a period of time afterward does not make them any less real (for example, the Holocaust).
The best historians go back to “what actually happened to people and nations”, then get into the mythologies and the way the stories have been told, but without surpressing any of the factual stuff.
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But here’s what I would say: Because some of those aspects were not discussed in the same way at the time of the war or for a period of time afterward does not make them any less real (for example, the Holocaust).
The best historians go back to “what actually happened to people and nations”, then get into the mythologies and the way the stories have been told.
In the US it's still possible to discuss and disagree with ruling elites view of the Holocaust but it's illegal in much of Europe, you go to jail, which I think is wrong.
There are so many aspects that have had to revised. For example Katyn massacre in Poland which was blamed on the Nazis, Nazi weapons were supposedly found at the scene, but decades later when Russia opened some of its archives it turned out the Russians did it they now take the blame.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
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I disagree. The OSS botched the calculation. Seems like a European problem to me without a geostrategic imperative for the US.
Your rationale seems to be what's best for other nations at the expense of US lives and treasure. Is that accurate?
And do you know for a fact that Japan would have never bombed Pearl Harbor if we had stood passively by to protect American lives and money?
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In the US it's still possible to discuss and disagree with ruling elites view of the Holocaust but it's illegal in much of Europe, you go to jail, which I think is wrong.
There are so many aspects that have had to revised. For example Katyn massacre in Poland which was blamed on the Nazis, Nazi weapons were supposedly found at the scene, but decades later when Russia opened some of its archives it turned out the Russians did it they now take the blame.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
I am with you on free speech overreach in Europe, only I have only visited there and have not lived there. I think it is ridiculous that, in France, young girls cannot wear a Christian cross around their necks to school, or that Muslim women are made to wear bikinis at the beach resorts.
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I am with you on free speech overreach in Europe, only I have only visited there and have not lived there. I think it is ridiculous that, in France, young girls cannot wear a Christian cross around their necks to school, or that Muslim women are made to wear bikinis at the beach resorts.
“Europe”
As if France and Germany are like Ireland, very different countries very different cultures of warfare and don’t ever group the Irish like me with French or Italian pussies. That’s not directed at you but In general there will be no EU the way this is going trust me we will not go down easy
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Yeah that's what I was getting at, it may not have had much to do with Hitler and the Jews, but fighting Russia in Europe.
Ron makes the argument, regarding the Holocaust, thst it was only starting to be talked about a lot in the 60s, things were pretty quiet about it until then. He also says that in the autobiographies of Churchill, and I forgot the other central character, there was supposedly zero mention of the Holocaust which he found strange. I'm not saying it didn't happen myself though... but there are some perhaps legitimate questions about the whole thing.
Ron Unz debated a guy named David Cole, another Jew about Nazis so that might be interesting too for some, and even some right wingers said Cole won that debate.
Cole was outed as a Holocaust Denier in decades past and the Jews wanted to kill him, but his thing was not that the Holocaust didn't happen, but that Aushwitz in particular wasn't an extermination camp, but that a couple of million were killed in the Aktion Reinhart camps with diesel fuel, if I'm not mistaken.
Seems likely enough to me the Nazis killed Jews. The whole narrative was the betrayal by the November Criminals was why Germany lost WW1 and suffered.
People get genocided all the time. We don't lift a finger. There's a unique relationship between that particular genocide and propaganda of US heroism about the war. You can't tell people the awful truth we didn't give a shit. Everyone has to be a hero, especially the government in its infinite wisdom.
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And do you know for a fact that Japan would have never bombed Pearl Harbor if we had stood passively by to protect American lives and money?
Not embargoing the Jap Empire's oil and moving against their expansion in China would have not put them in a position of attack now or never be able to.
That is how FDR precipitated the war, if that's what you're asking.
Oh I'm sorry. Did you think it was unprovoked like FDR said in his radio address?
Was the Russian invasion also "unprovoked" lol.
Can you boomers put some time in to these things please? You can look them up quite easily. How is it up to me to tell you what led to shit?
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I do not buy your argument, but even if I did, it still leaves us with Kristallnacht (sp?) and the Holocaust.
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Seems likely enough to me the Nazis killed Jews. The whole narrative was the betrayal by the November Criminals was why Germany lost WW1 and suffered.
People get genocided all the time. We don't lift a finger. There's a unique relationship between that particular genocide and propaganda of US heroism about the war. You can't tell people the awful truth we didn't give a shit. Everyone has to be a hero, especially the government in its infinite wisdom.
Now with Gaza, how can the Jews say it's unethical to kill civilians? They think it's perfectly fine to kill 35K mostly women and children to crush Hams, most of whom are in the tunnels still if some experts are to be believed. And no one can tell me the Jews want ANY palestinians on the land, I don't think they ever did, that Hamas are terrorists is mostly just an excuse to clear them all out. That one Hudson fella said that in decades past the Jews in Israel and the US and the gentile political leaders were 100% in on the idea of clearing out the palestinians, one way or another, it was openly stated. I have a hard time believing the palestinians will now ever have even a part of that land, and the US doesn't believe that eithet, this talk about the two state solution is just a bunch of complete BS, no one believes in it. Otherwise the US wouldn't supply those 2000lbs bombs to Israel.
That's why some claim Israel has actually lost in Gaza, now no one will be sympathetic to the cries of "but we were Holocausted," no one cares about all that.
I'm don't have particularly warm feeling towards Muslims or arabs or Palestinians but maybe even less towards these other guys. There's a big chance some of those Palestinians will be my neighbors, because they are so good for Sweden (so says Barbara Spectre), we can't survive without them. They are wonderful, just not in Israel.
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Now with Gaza, how can the Jews say it's unethical to kill civilians? They think it's perfectly fine to kill 35K mostly women and children to crush Hams, most of whom are in the tunnels still if some experts are to be believed. And no one can tell me the Jews want ANY palestinians on the land, I don't think they ever did, that Hamas are terrorists is mostly just an excuse to clear them all out. That one Hudson fella said that in decades past the Jews in Israel and the US and the gentile political leaders were 100% in on the idea of clearing out the palestinians, one way or another, it was openly stated. I have a hard time believing the palestinians will now ever have even a part of that land, and the US doesn't believe that eithet, this talk about the two state solution is just a bunch of complete BS, no one believes in it. Otherwise the US wouldn't supply those 2000lbs bombs to Israel.
That's why some claim Israel has actually lost in Gaza, now no one will be sympathetic to the cries of "but we were Holocausted," no one cares about all that.
I'm don't have particularly warm feeling towards Muslims or arabs or Palestinians but maybe even less towards these other guys. There's a big chance some of those Palestinians will be my neighbors, because they are so good for Sweden (so says Barbara Spectre), we can't survive without them. They are wonderful, just not in Israel.
Sounds like an Arab/Israel conflict to me. Let us know how it works out.
Meanwhile, in Western Civilization...
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But there is a minority who still thinks it was a mistake. Famously Patton supposedly said "we backed the wrong guy." And from my readings, who to support there wasn't automatically certain, different approaches were considered. Russia of course said THEY beat Hitler and they sure paid a huge price. My understanding is that the US came in to stop Russia from taking over the whole of Europe, it wasn't just a concern over Jews.
I'm not a WWII historian by any means but it seems there are a lot of assumptions about the whole thing by the general public that may not be true. I've read a lot of far right stuff and they of course think WWII by the US was a brother war that should never have happened plus the Nazi ideology is somewhat attractive since they fought everything these guys abhor, they see the US like Weimar then with all the degeneracy, LBTQ, transsexualism, Marxism and so on. Nazis burned degenerate LGBTQ books in bonfires.
I know a lot of getbiggers would approve of such burnings today lol, even The Scott who is a Jew :D
The nazis looked to the US as a guide for establishing their antisemitism laws and policies
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow
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A thread filled with people talking about everything except what really matters. They are forcing you to pay over half of what you make to them or they kill you for it. Every April 15th you do it... And yet all you guys talk about is president this, bad law that, magatard this, TDS that.. It is one fucking party. If you don't see that then I'm sorry for you.
They are robbing you blind and making you focus on everything else except what matters.
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so fucking sad.
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How do you go from seeing MSM be totally full of shit during covid to swallowing everything they feed you on Ukraine? Yours is an extraordinary case.
Do you really believe "we" the West has sent every Ukrainian soldier to its death? What is your news source? Of course it is pro Russian, anti west, Douglas McGregor, Jones etc. Do you really think that there is no other sources of information besides the mainstream media that sides with Ukraine and sees whats going on for what it is, a war of aggression and not a special military operation?
The US has precipitated this since the fall of the wall. NATO encroachment, 2014 coup and the Neuland tapes, the Nyet Means Nyet memorandum. Jesus, even the Trump impeachment concerned him leveraging holding up weapons to Ukraine. Why were we putting nuclear capable missile systems on the Russian border? How do you think the US would react to China or Russia doing that in Mexico?
What has Russia got now? More Nato. The majority of Ukrainians wanted a new leadership in 2014.
The US is doing regime change and weapons installations on the Russian border because the US government is composed of war criminals, and has been since before either of us was born.
Your beloved Putler is also a war criminal but you lick its balls
You desperately need to get your info from varied sources. Asserting the invasion was unprovoked is laughable and your inability to point to anything specific to support your position is cringe. Don't do this irl. You're embarrassingly ill informed.
You have no idea what my sources are. How was this invasion justified? Was Ukraine or the West about to invade Russia or rain missiles down on Moscow? That you suck Douglas McGregors cock is cringe and embarrassing for you.
ps; I already sided with Ukraine before meeting my girlfriend and you deserve a good slap for mentioning her vag you little worm.
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ps; I already sided with Ukraine before meeting my girlfriend and you deserve a good slap for mentioning her vag you little worm.
So you can't refute anything I've mentioned about NATO expansion and US meddling in Ukraine, including placement of of missle systems.
You can't point to one benefit to US citizens from this retarded campaign which, not to belabor the obviot point, we are undertaking on the Russian border.
Stick to your enlightened zen shtick. You're awful at this.
Ps back at ya. Million bucks says I fuck your girl better than you can.
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A thread filled with people talking about everything except what really matters. They are forcing you to pay over half of what you make to them or they kill you for it. Every April 15th you do it... And yet all you guys talk about is president this, bad law that, magatard this, TDS that.. It is one fucking party. If you don't see that then I'm sorry for you.
They are robbing you blind and making you focus on everything else except what matters.
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so fucking sad.
Death and taxes. All these corrupt politicians take our money and give it to their war machine buddies.
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So you can't refute anything I've mentioned about NATO expansion and US meddling in Ukraine, including placement of of missle systems.
You can't point to one benefit to US citizens from this retarded campaign which, not to belabor the obviot point, we are undertaking on the Russian border.
Stick to your enlightened zen shtick. You're awful at this.
Ps back at ya. Million bucks says I fuck your girl better than you can.
I doubt that, why would she be turned on by some piece of shit who supports her enemy. I would fuck you up before you had a chance.
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Settle down boys.
You have as much control over these matters as you do over how your favorite sports team will do in their next game. You have to look at politics the same way you do sports - you have no control over the outcome but it’s fun to watch and root for your favorite team.
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I doubt that, why would she be turned on by some piece of shit who supports her enemy. I would fuck you up before you had a chance.
I note a disruption in your serenity. Picture a windless alpine lake while I turn her inside out.
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TREASON
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/20/politics/mike-johnson-ukraine-aid-russia-zelensky-putin/index.html
or should I say he'd been bought like a prostitute.....
This is how the Deep State works. They'll get a candidate to run on a platform and when push comes they'll flip like a RINO. So easy to spot. USA is a fucking joke. More tax payer money down the hole and increased US debt. US is done, put a fork in it.
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A thread filled with people talking about everything except what really matters. They are forcing you to pay over half of what you make to them or they kill you for it. Every April 15th you do it... And yet all you guys talk about is president this, bad law that, magatard this, TDS that.. It is one fucking party. If you don't see that then I'm sorry for you.
They are robbing you blind and making you focus on everything else except what matters.
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so fucking sad.
If you pay over half of your income in taxes, you’re doing it wrong. Seek professional tax assistance post haste.
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I note a disruption in your serenity. Picture a windless alpine lake while I turn her inside out.
Picture your fucked up corpse by the side of said Alpine lake after I smash you to pieces. You consider your little 2 minute Worm jiration to be satisfying to a woman.
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Think I got a live one here.
What made you opt for a slavic cunny? Domestic ladies no good where you are? Did you import her? UkrainianBrides.com?
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Most Americans still support how we are helping. That may not last forever but it is the case right now, please do not let the overseas crowd get the wrong impression. There are sizable minorities (mostly Republican but some Democrats) who feel we need to “solve our own problems” rather than give money overseas. It was exactly the same here prior to WWII. Now all of us fully own what we did during WWII (in retrospect).
By the way, I do not understand the Boris Johnson proposal at all. What? The US and UK install a “neutral” government of our own choosing in a democratic nation that votes its own governments in and out?
Yes, wasting money and people is good.
If you're hot for conflicts, go fight them and leave others out of it.
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Isn’t bigro supposed to be a yogi or something? Why is he so easily triggered by some mild trolling?
On a related note - tapeworm, impressive work.
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Think I got a live one here.
What made you opt for a slavic cunny? Domestic ladies no good where you are? Did you import her? UkrainianBrides.com?
(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/07/1200/675/Carl-Dekel.jpg?ve=1&tl=1).
"We knew when the word "Cunny" was dropped, the War was far, far, from over."
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Isn’t bigro supposed to be a yogi or something? Why is he so easily triggered by some mild trolling?
On a related note - tapeworm, impressive work.
I never claimed to be always serene, nor would I want to be. Telling a man you will fuck his girlfriend is not mild trolling, what is the correct response just laugh? Fuck off with that.
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Name the last US ally we didn't ultimately abandon in a hot conflict. Name the last war we won.
So far we've sent almost every battle capable Ukraine to his death, devalued US currency, and strengthened a Rus-China military alliance as well as a BRICSetc economic front, and caused US allies to ask why exactly they're with us. Great plan.
We have greedy traitorous morons steering the ship. If you intentionally set out to destroy the US you couldn't do a better job.
Actually, the Russian military has been exposed as week and ineffective. They were supposed to roll over the Ukraine in a matter days remember? The war is not popular in Russia. Putin is going to be lucky to survive this without a regime change.
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Yes, wasting money and people is good.
If you're hot for conflicts, go fight them and leave others out of it.
Some people can't just choose to be left out of a conflict when their apartment buildings are being cluster bombed
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Everything you see going on is a direct result of Biden and his puppeteers. EVERYTHING. It shouldn’t have happened in the first place and we shouldn’t be there. Period
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If you pay over half of your income in taxes, you’re doing it wrong. Seek professional tax assistance post haste.
Yes if you're just going by income tax. But if you add up all the taxes I bet most people would be shocked at how much they give to the government. Income tax to both the feds and your state, property tax, sales tax on everything you buy, capital gains taxes when you sell your stocks, some of my utilities even have a tax added to them. The same money gets taxed twice, coming and going!
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/may/01/marjorie-taylor-greene-oust-mike-johnson-speaker-vote (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/may/01/marjorie-taylor-greene-oust-mike-johnson-speaker-vote)
Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene announced on Wednesday that she would move to force a vote next week on removing her fellow Republican Mike Johnson as House speaker, even though the measure appears certain to fail.
“I think the American people need to see a recorded vote,” Greene said at a press conference. “And so next week, I am going to be calling this motion to vacate – absolutely calling it. I can’t wait to see Democrats go out and support a Republican speaker and have to go home to their primaries and have to run for Congress again.”
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This is for Bhank.
Listen buddy,
I think you are a nice guy. I recognize it because I am a nice guy. But, you are wrong. I was wrong in connection with the world lock-downs during the Covid pandemic. Honestly, most of us don't even know what all transpired during those years.
We are also being lied to as to the state of the Russian military, while they are advancing in Ukraine. Additionally, I know another thing that is a fact. The Ukrainians have been given much more military material than published by the Western media along with the physical presence of NATO troops in Ukraine (don't have the numbers). After all this, the Ukrainians are still losing the war...
So, just be smart and observe. Don't comment, if you are not sure.