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Ok, the first deal is made. Papi staying with BoSox.
My guess is they'll stay with Beltre and Martinez as well.
Werth and Crawford?
My gut feeling says Werth is staying. He's got the Jeter factor - more impact in Phillies than in other uniforms. He's proven himself in a stacked lineup. But he's not a franchise player like Hamilton.
So other teams won't offer as much. And with Yankees not interested, that will enable Phillies to keep him.
My guess is - Werth five year deal - they may even try to trade away Jimmy Rollins to make room for that.
Doubt they'll get any takers on Rollins without sweetening the deal.
Crawford - I'm guessing LA Dodgers (!).
Cliff Lee - either a long 5-7 year deal down in Texas. Or a short 2-3 year deal in NY.
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Ok, the first deal is made. Papi staying with BoSox.
My guess is they'll stay with Beltre and Martinez as well.
Werth and Crawford?
My gut feeling says Werth is staying. He's got the Jeter factor - more impact in Phillies than in other uniforms. He's proven himself in a stacked lineup. But he's not a franchise player like Hamilton.
So other teams won't offer as much. And with Yankees not interested, that will enable Phillies to keep him.
My guess is - Werth five year deal - they may even try to trade away Jimmy Rollins to make room for that.
Doubt they'll get any takers on Rollins without sweetening the deal.
Crawford - I'm guessing LA Dodgers (!).
Cliff Lee - either a long 5-7 year deal down in Texas. Or a short 2-3 year deal in NY.
werth is pretty much gone probably detroit. i would rather see philly trade howard for adam dunn and keep werth. howard numbers slipped badly last year. as his bodyweight goes down so does his hr's and rbi's.
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Ok, the first deal is made. Papi staying with BoSox.
My guess is they'll stay with Beltre and Martinez as well.
Werth and Crawford?
My gut feeling says Werth is staying. He's got the Jeter factor - more impact in Phillies than in other uniforms. He's proven himself in a stacked lineup. But he's not a franchise player like Hamilton.
So other teams won't offer as much. And with Yankees not interested, that will enable Phillies to keep him.
My guess is - Werth five year deal - they may even try to trade away Jimmy Rollins to make room for that.
Doubt they'll get any takers on Rollins without sweetening the deal.
Crawford - I'm guessing LA Dodgers (!).
Cliff Lee - either a long 5-7 year deal down in Texas. Or a short 2-3 year deal in NY.
I think there's little chance both Martinez and Beltre stay in Boston. Beltre lives on the West Coast, and took the one year deal in Boston to re-establish himself as a FA. VMart is going to cost an AAV near double than what he did last year. Boston will be looking to get younger - and will probably target Crawford.
Werth, another possible future red sox, is moving. He hired Boras to get maximum $$
Cliff Lee has no chance of signing a short deal, but I also think a 7 year deal is crazy too. The Yankees were willing to give up their best hitting prospect in 15 years, who is also ranked in the top 4 of all MiLB prospects for a two month rental of Lee, so they absolutely want him. I look for them to throw a big deal at Lee, as will Texas. It will just be decided by where Lee ultimately wants to go.
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werth is pretty much gone probably detroit. i would rather see philly trade howard for adam dunn and keep werth. howard numbers slipped badly last year. as his bodyweight goes down so does his hr's and rbi's.
Detroit's a pretty good guess. Could add some much needed depth to that lineup.
Still, they're nowhere near a World Series, or even the playoffs for that matter.
Question is - how important is the chance of winning a title for Werth?
Crawford could be heading for Detroit though. He's more versatile than Werth offensively, can hit off just about any top 4 position.
Another thing that will be just crazy to watch, should be right about after the All Star game, is the return of Strasbourg. Will he recover from his Tommy John surgery? Or is he another Joel Zumanya?
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Detroit's a pretty good guess. Could add some much needed depth to that lineup.
Still, they're nowhere near a World Series, or even the playoffs for that matter.
Question is - how important is the chance of winning a title for Werth?
Crawford could be heading for Detroit though. He's more versatile than Werth offensively, can hit off just about any top 4 position.
Another thing that will be just crazy to watch, should be right about after the All Star game, is the return of Strasbourg. Will he recover from his Tommy John surgery? Or is he another Joel Zumanya?
Veralnder, Jackson, Porcello, Scherzer - Detroit can possibly contend in the central with the addition of another bat to compliment Cabrerra.
Strasburg should be fine. He's young enough and they caught it early. Didn't Zumaya hurt himself playing guitar hero or something?
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Cliff Lee has no chance of signing a short deal, but I also think a 7 year deal is crazy too. The Yankees were willing to give up their best hitting prospect in 15 years, who is also ranked in the top 4 of all MiLB prospects for a two month rental of Lee, so they absolutely want him. I look for them to throw a big deal at Lee, as will Texas. It will just be decided by where Lee ultimately wants to go.
that wasnt enough for the rangers apparently. They wanted more on top of the pitching prospects+montero that was offered for lee.
Montero is not even the best catching prospect in the yankees farm system though. Austin Romine is by far a more complete player and next in line to replace posada in a year.
As a yankee fan i wouldnt mind signing werth. He may strike out a bit, but a solid run producer. Where he would play is the big question. Gardner, grandy and swisher are all mainstay's right now.
If it were up to me i would NOT persue lee. He spanked the yanks in the post season. I'm uncomfortable with handing a blank check to a player that just kicked our ass. I would much rather go after greinke.
There is no chance crawford comes to new york.
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that wasnt enough for the rangers apparently. They wanted more on top of the pitching prospects+montero that was offered for lee.
There were actually two main reasons. They soured on David Adams when they thought his ankle injury was more severe than initially thought.. That's when they asked for Nunez and Nova, which would make the price for Lee higher for the Yankees for a two month rental than Cleveland and Philly got when they traded him for two and one years' time, respectively. Plus, Texas apparently was really high on Justin Smoak. Their mistake.
Montero is not even the best catching prospect in the yankees farm system though. Austin Romine is by far a more complete player and next in line to replace posada in a year.
Sorry fellow Yankee fan, but both these statements are completely false. Romine is a better defensive catcher, but that is it. Heck, Sanchez will be ranked higher than him within the organization soon. Not saying Romine isn't good, but he may not even project to being a full time MLB catcher. Montero is a once every twenty years prospect, despite needing defensive work. He wrecked AAA pitching this year in the second half and he's still not 21, and he did it with great primary and secondary hitting skills. There is literally nothing about his hitting profile that isn't perfect. There's no such thing as a sure thing, but Montero is about as close as it gets.
Plus it's already been announced that Monetero will go into ST competing for the catcher position. If he plays well, he'll split C/DH duties with Posada.
As a yankee fan i wouldnt mind signing werth. He may strike out a bit, but a solid run producer. Where he would play is the big question. Gardner, grandy and swisher are all mainstay's right now.
I like Werth too. He's a great player. The trouble is, the difference between Werth and the outfield we have will not justify the expense - it's not enough of an upgrade. The Yankees need players who are cheap like Gardner and relatively cheap like Swisher in order to offset the ridiculous salaries some of the other players make. Gardener being a top 15 player in the AL will make them look upgrade in other areas.
If it were up to me i would NOT persue lee. He spanked the yanks in the post season. I'm uncomfortable with handing a blank check to a player that just kicked our ass. I would much rather go after greinke.
I don't care if Lee beat us in the past. He's elite, and signing him improves our team and makes a postseason staff lethal. It won't be a blank check anyway - he's 32 and the Yankees will have to be careful because too high an offer could prompt Sabathia to exercise his opt out clause after next year to try to get more money.
Greinke is stellar, but has tremendous social aniety issues and I believe NY is on his no trade list. High pressure areas do not seem to be the best place for him. He could be great, but he could be a disaster. I'd like to see the Yankees continue to try to pry Soria away from them.
There is no chance crawford comes to new york.
I agree.
Check out riveraveblues.com if you don't already. It's easily the best Yankee blog I read. Very smart and very informative.
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There is just no way montero becomes an everyday catcher. Maybe 3rd basebman?
i think romine will be a mainstay in the backstop, be it with the yankees or another team.
you think gardner will be a top 15 player in the a.l. :o thats a bold statement bro.
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There is just no way montero becomes an everyday catcher. Maybe 3rd basebman?
i think romine will be a mainstay in the backstop, be it with the yankees or another team.
you think gardner will be a top 15 player in the a.l. :o thats a bold statement bro.
Posada is as bad a defensive catcher as there is, but his superior bat made it worthwhile. Montero projects to be even better, and Posada is one of the best offensive catchers ever.
Romine very well could be a backup, or even full time if Montero is SO bad that he becomes a DH. Unlikely though.
Not will be, Garder WAS ranked #9 in the AL, and 19th overall, according to WAR:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=al&qual=y&type=8&season=2010&month=0
Keep in mind, a lot of that value is due to his defense. Anyway, whether that's to believed or not, he was very valuable, especially considering his minimum pay.
Either way, the point is, would the Yankees spend 15M more for an upgrade that's not valued at 15M? In other words, the difference in talent does not warrant the expenditure or the further limiting of payroll flexibility.
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If it were up to me i would NOT persue lee. He spanked the yanks in the post season. I'm uncomfortable with handing a blank check to a player that just kicked our ass. I would much rather go after greinke.
No way Greinke comes to the Yanks.he's already had anxiety issues and has a no-trade to the Yanks.he doesn't want to be in the big city.
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No way Greinke comes to the Yanks.he's already had anxiety issues and has a no-trade to the Yanks.he doesn't want to be in the big city.
Its still his decision to make. the no-trade is a non starter.
sabathia had one foot in the door in boston before the yanks up'd the ante and landed him.
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I think Lee will stay in TX. I doubt Boston will give Werth what he wants, he just took Boras as an agent and they wouldn't pay Bay. I think Crawford goes to Anaheim. Beltre is as good as gone, maybe to Anaheim if they don't get Crawford. Boston might sign Vmart but i think they won't go high with the years. I'd be shocked if Jeter leaves. I'm thinking somewhere around 4 years 80 mil.
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I think Lee will stay in TX. I doubt Boston will give Werth what he wants, he just took Boras as an agent and they wouldn't pay Bay. I think Crawford goes to Anaheim. Beltre is as good as gone, maybe to Anaheim if they don't get Crawford. Boston might sign Vmart but i think they won't go high with the years. I'd be shocked if Jeter leaves. I'm thinking somewhere around 4 years 80 mil.
That's not too rosy an outlook for your team. Who do you think they'll go after, or do you see them going with Reddick, Lowrie and Co? I doubt it.
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That's not too rosy an outlook for your team. Who do you think they'll go after, or do you see them going with Reddick, Lowrie and Co? I doubt it.
Not sure. I'm assuming they are going after Gonzalez hard next offseason. The biggest upgrade they need is in the bullpen, even with the scrubs they had at the plate they scored plenty of runs. Youk gives them flexibility as he can play 1st or 3rd at a high level. They are really high on Saltalmachia(sp), so if Vmart leaves i think he's the everyday catcher to start the season. I think Lowrie was pretty impressive, he was finally healthy and at worst he'll be solid off the bench. My guess is they let Martinez walk as they won't commit to the years he wants, Youk goes to third and they get a serviceable guy or platoon at 1st and bank on Gonzalez in 2012.
That being said, if Lackey and Beckett pitched like they were supposed to last year it would have been a much closer race. If they bounce back, Lester and Bucholz continue to develop, Pap reverts to 05-08 form and they upgrade middle relief, the pitching will carry them. Obviously losing 30-100 from Beltre and Martinez would hurt, but with a healthy Ellsbury and Pedroia I think the blow could be handled. It's a lot of ifs obviously.
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Not sure. I'm assuming they are going after Gonzalez hard next offseason. The biggest upgrade they need is in the bullpen, even with the scrubs they had at the plate they scored plenty of runs. Youk gives them flexibility as he can play 1st or 3rd at a high level. They are really high on Saltalmachia(sp), so if Vmart leaves i think he's the everyday catcher to start the season. I think Lowrie was pretty impressive, he was finally healthy and at worst he'll be solid off the bench. My guess is they let Martinez walk as they won't commit to the years he wants, Youk goes to third and they get a serviceable guy or platoon at 1st and bank on Gonzalez in 2012.
That being said, if Lackey and Beckett pitched like they were supposed to last year it would have been a much closer race. If they bounce back, Lester and Bucholz continue to develop, Pap reverts to 05-08 form and they upgrade middle relief, the pitching will carry them. Obviously losing 30-100 from Beltre and Martinez would hurt, but with a healthy Ellsbury and Pedroia I think the blow could be handled. It's a lot of ifs obviously.
I expect Beckett to be better, Lackey similar, and Buchholz to get a little worse (if he doesn't improve his K rates. If he does, he'll still be very good). Papelbon's been on a decline for three years, and I think it's mostly due to his subluxation. I don't see him getting to where he was.
I also don't think they can make the playoffs losing both Betre and VMart. I can't see them waiting a whole year for AGon - I think they make a splash on Crawford or Werth.
Don't get me wrong, I see them right in the mix next year, but they're going to have to add to get there.
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I expect Beckett to be better, Lackey similar, and Buchholz to get a little worse (if he doesn't improve his K rates. If he does, he'll still be very good). Papelbon's been on a decline for three years, and I think it's mostly due to his subluxation. I don't see him getting to where he was.
I also don't think they can make the playoffs losing both Betre and VMart. I can't see them waiting a whole year for AGon - I think they make a splash on Crawford or Werth.
Don't get me wrong, I see them right in the mix next year, but they're going to have to add to get there.
I agree. They keep talking about bridge years etc, and 2012 is when it comes together with Inglesias, Kelly etc..coming up. I don's see them signing either of those guys (Worth, Crawford) to be honest. Hell, they were going to go into last year with Casey Kotchman at first base. In a perfect world Victor would sign and agree to move to 1st and Youk would go to 3rd, but Martinez is hell bent on staying a catcher. Not to beat a dead horse, but if they don't sign Ortiz to a long term deal his salary as well as Drew, Scutaro, Cameron and a few others come off the books after 2011, that is a lot of money to play with. My guess, and this is probably wrong lol, they upgrade the pen with a guy like Benoit or Downs and not much else.
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I agree. They keep talking about bridge years etc, and 2012 is when it comes together with Inglesias, Kelly etc..coming up. I don's see them signing either of those guys (Worth, Crawford) to be honest. Hell, they were going to go into last year with Casey Kotchman at first base. In a perfect world Victor would sign and agree to move to 1st and Youk would go to 3rd, but Martinez is hell bent on staying a catcher. Not to beat a dead horse, but if they don't sign Ortiz to a long term deal his salary as well as Drew, Scutaro, Cameron and a few others come off the books after 2011, that is a lot of money to play with. My guess, and this is probably wrong lol, they upgrade the pen with a guy like Benoit or Downs and not much else.
I don't think RSN has the stomach to hear anything about a bridge year again. They'll make a splash somehow. The thing is, I still don't know why Epstein felt the need to re-up Beckett a year before he had to. Buchholz should have been "Beckett insurance", meaning they watch Beckett in his last year to see what they have, and if Buchholz flourishes (which he did) they aren't desperate, and don't rope themselves into an unfavorable contract. Made little sense to me.
I think Westmorland was their best hitting prospect, and it's a shame what happened. Hopefully he fully recovers and gets to the MLB. He projected to be a very good hitter. Iglesias will be solid, but I feel Kelley is all hype.
So, they'll have to make a big signing. Werth isn't ideal due to his age, and I know Theo covets youth. I think Crawford is the guy. We'll see.
But you're right, it might be better for them to bide their time with the ideal situation they have in 2012. I just don't think the fan base will tolerate it, and they will react accordingly.
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I don't think it's a matter of money, they have plenty. This is both guys big pay days, they are going to want, guessing around 5-6 year deals. They have been reluctant to go higher than 4 years with guys(Damon, Bay). I would love for them to sign Crawford, he is a great player but Ellsbury in their minds has just as much upside, is younger, and under their control. What do I know, though? The Lackey signing came out of nowhere last year so we'll see. I agree about Beckett, solid starter, but not the ace everyone assumed he'd be. He can't seem to put it together back to back years. The Red Sox Nation stuff makes me want to puke, so hopefully they all go away anyway. ;D
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I would love for them to sign Crawford, he is a great player but Ellsbury in their minds has just as much upside, is younger, and under their control.
I really doubt they see Ellsbury with Crawford upside. He will never develop power. Plus, he's only two years younger and I THINK is arb elligible now.
I think we've seen what Ellsbury is - avg OBP guy, extremely fast, no power, no arm. And, I may be piling on, but of all the hype surrounding players, this one is the one that bugged me the most.
It's not all him either - he had a great post season debut in 2007, and fans thought that's what he was. The expectations became unreasonable.
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Joe Morgan gone from ESPN...best news i've heard all week.
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We will also be spared Miller's stupid pronunciation of all the hispanic names?
Also, Yankees meeting with Lee today.
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I really doubt they see Ellsbury with Crawford upside. He will never develop power. Plus, he's only two years younger and I THINK is arb elligible now.
I think we've seen what Ellsbury is - avg OBP guy, extremely fast, no power, no arm. And, I may be piling on, but of all the hype surrounding players, this one is the one that bugged me the most.
It's not all him either - he had a great post season debut in 2007, and fans thought that's what he was. The expectations became unreasonable.
Didn't you say the same type of things about Lester?
Jacobe has been hurt.
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Didn't you say the same type of things about Lester?
Jacobe has been hurt.
Not really. I thought Lester had good stuff, but I didn't think he would be anything special with the BB rates he had posted. He got that under control and the rest is history. I was wrong on that. FWIW, I've been correct on Papelbon, Beckett, and Lackey though.
Ellsbury will not develop power. He had 10 HRs total in 1000 AB in the minor leagues. His arm will never improve. He's in his statistical prime ages now. I'm not saying his plate discipline won't get better, but I really think we've seen what he is - low to mid OBP, no arm, no power, ridiculous speed.
Like I said, I still think the sox can be a lethal team next year, but they're going to have to add FA to do it. I don't think what they have on the farm or on the team right now will do it.
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Cashman flew to Arkansas (I think) to yap to Lee, I know no big surprise..
Rumors he will get close to what CC got, I think like 7 years for 168 million
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Cashman flew to Arkansas (I think) to yap to Lee, I know no big surprise..
Rumors he will get close to what CC got, I think like 7 years for 168 million
I doubt that. He's three years older than Sabathia without the durability CC has shown throughout the years.
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I doubt that. He's three years older than Sabathia without the durability CC has shown throughout the years.
well it was just a "visit" supposedly, so who knows
I guess earlier this week talks in tampa with cashman, steinbrenger and jeter, news was both sides left "feeling good", WTH that means
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Jeter and the Yankees will get a deal done, and the Yankees will pay too much. There's no way around it.
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jeter might have one or two decent years left in him.
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jeter might have one or two decent years left in him.
I think so too. But the Yankees are going to pay for much more than that.
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Dan Uggla traded to the Braves.
Personally, I think this could be the big impact move of the year.
IMO, if Chipper comes back reasonably healthy they have a pretty loaded batting order.
Something like this:
Heyward
Prado
McCann
Uggla
Chipper
Freeman
McLouth
Gonzalez
Pitcher
Legit World Series contenders IMO.
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It's hard to include Nate Mclouth as a key piece in any decent order.
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Benoit to Detroit..A's offer Beltre 5 years...Sox asking about Upton.
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Benoit to Detroit..A's offer Beltre 5 years...Sox asking about Upton.
I'm leery about the A's rumor. They never give LTD to anyone, and Beltre doesn't fit their traditional M.O.
Everyone's asking about Upton. The price will be ridiculous.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5842176 (http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5842176)Free-agent catcher Victor Martinez is bolting the Boston Red Sox to sign with the Detroit Tigers, according to multiple media reports on Tuesday.
Two weeks ago, Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein expressed his strong interest in re-signing Martinez and third baseman Adrian Beltre. But he acknowledged competition for the players.
"It always comes down to dollars and years," Epstein said.
Martinez will receive a four-year deal for $50 million, according to Venezuelan reporter Ignacio Serrano of El Nacional, who first reported the agreement. The Associated Press reported that the deal is pending the results of a physical. Martinez made $7.7 million last season.
The Red Sox offered Martinez a choice of a three-year, $36 million deal or a four-year contract for $42 million, according to a major league source. The source said the Red Sox had not been informed of Martinez's decision, but the team was not surprised to hear that he would play elsewhere.
The Orioles and White Sox were also outbid, according to the El Nacional report.
"When guys get to free agency, there are a lot of decisions that have to be made," Red Sox manager Terry Francona said on the "Dale and Holley" program on Boston sports radio station WEEI. "One is by the player, one is by the organization and one is by other teams. Sometimes it doesn't work out where a guy comes back, but that doesn't mean we're not going to be any good. I feel real confident. The winter has to play itself out, it's just beginning and it will be really interesting."
Martinez is a Type-A free agent, meaning the Red Sox will receive compensation for his signing elsewhere -- assuming they offer him arbitration. The Red Sox will receive the Tigers' No. 1 pick (No. 19 overall) and a first-round "sandwich" pick, a selection that will come after the regular first round and before the second round.
The 2011 draft class is anticipated to be very strong, and it may be the last in which the Sox will be able to employ their very successful strategy of paying above slot in later rounds for premium talent that dropped because of contract demands. With the collective bargaining agreement due to expire next November, the draft is expected to undergo extensive revisions as part of negotiations.
The switch-hitting Martinez was extremely productive for the Red Sox since his acquisition from Cleveland at the 2009 trading deadline. Martinez, who turns 32 on Dec. 23, batted .313 in 183 games with the Red Sox, with 28 home runs and 120 RBIs. Last season, he was the only big-league catcher in the majors to hit .300 or better while hitting 20 or more home runs, despite missing 22 games with a fractured left thumb. He was dominating against left-handed pitchers, batting .400, slugging .742 and posting a 1.173 OPS
Martinez is a lifetime .300 hitter, a four-time All-Star and also plays first base.
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, who was acquired from the Rangers last season, becomes No. 1 on the depth chart at catcher for the Red Sox. The team has until midnight Tuesday night to offer arbitration to longtime catcher Jason Varitek.
"A switch hitter with power, I think we view him potentially as somebody that can really fit he bill as maybe an everyday catcher with us," Francona said of Saltalamacchia, while adding that they aren't just handing him the job.
The Tigers lacked production from the catcher's spot last season. Rookie Alex Aliva, 23, batted .228 in 104 games, while 30-year-old Gerald Laird hit just .207 in 89 games.
Earlier this offseason, Detroit re-signed third baseman Brandon Inge and shortstop Jhonny Peralta and signed reliever Joaquin Benoit.
Detroit finished 81-81 in 2010, which was good for third place in the AL Central.
Information from ESPNBoston.com's Gordon Edes and The Associated Press contributed to this report. Ignacio Serrano is a regular contributor to ESPNdeportes.com.
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Tough to pass judgement until we see all the moves the sox make. But, the 4/50 seems very reasonable for Martinez, and I'm surprised Boston didn't offer this.
Short term, it's a big hit to their offense.
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cashman is playing a little hardball.
i understand hes trying to send a message of culture change in the yankees front office, but jeter was the wrong guy to make an example out of IMO
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cashman is playing a little hardball.
i understand hes trying to send a message of culture change in the yankees front office, but jeter was the wrong guy to make an example out of IMO
I agree.....Jeter is by far the face of the Yankees resurgence and should be treated as such. Regardless of cost.
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I agree.....Jeter is by far the face of the Yankees resurgence and should be treated as such. Regardless of cost.
Disagree. The Yankees have already made him a mega millionaire, giving him the second richest contract in baseball history.
He was the worst hitter on the Yankees last year, and have apparently made him an offer that's way higher than his current level dictates.
I still think they meet in the middle at 4/72. But to give six years to a guy who will be 42 at the end of the deal is insane, as it was with the last two years on ARod's deal.
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Disagree. The Yankees have already made him a mega millionaire, giving him the second richest contract in baseball history.
He was the worst hitter on the Yankees last year, and have apparently made him an offer that's way higher than his current level dictates.
I still think they meet in the middle at 4/72. But to give six years to a guy who will be 42 at the end of the deal is insane, as it was with the last two years on ARod's deal.
I should clarify, I mean that they should pay him with some respect as to what he did to help them get back on top. They throw cash around to every FA that might be decent, and have wasted a ton over the years, so I would prefer to see them overpay him slightly, rather than bring in another FA who will gobble up cash and not do anything that half the roster currently can't do. His clubhouse leadership is irreplacable....and that is something alway overlooked when people only want to talk ba's, hr's, rbi's, etc...
I wouldn't give him 6 yrs either, but whatever years I did agree to, I would pay him handsomely for.
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I should clarify, I mean that they should pay him with some respect as to what he did to help them get back on top. They throw cash around to every FA that might be decent, and have wasted a ton over the years, so I would prefer to see them overpay him slightly, rather than bring in another FA who will gobble up cash and not do anything that half the roster currently can't do. His clubhouse leadership is irreplacable....and that is something alway overlooked when people only want to talk ba's, hr's, rbi's, etc...
I wouldn't give him 6 yrs either, but whatever years I did agree to, I would pay him handsomely for.
I agree, except for the throwing cash part. Since Cashman obtained full control in 2006, they've spent wisely outside of maybe Burnett. Mega deals are only given to elite level players in their statistical primes (Teixeixa, Sabathia, etc.) They will most likely do this with Lee.
I think the Yankees will definitely overpay, and they should, but only to a point. To go to an AAV of 20m on Jeter crazy. I firmly believe that the Steinbrenners only agreed to go the extra mile on Teixeira because Cashman promised to manage to a budget of about 200M. Paying Jeter this much will deter other signings. Jeter should recognize his place right now and do what Mussina and O'Neill did.
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jeter deserves every bit of 20m a year and will make that money back to the team twenty fold by simply showing up to games.
does anyone actually think hes going to hit .270 again and put awful offensive numbers? Im talking god awful numbers. It wont happen again.
dont get me started on his 3000th hit.
But regardless if he gets 20m a year, theres no chance he leaves new york IMO.
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jeter deserves every bit of 20m a year and will make that money back to the team twenty fold by simply showing up to games.
does anyone actually think hes going to hit .270 again and put awful offensive numbers? Im talking god awful numbers. It wont happen again.
dont get me started on his 3000th hit.
But regardless if he gets 20m a year, theres no chance he leaves new york IMO.
He is not a 20M dollar player. And, if the Yankees are managing to a payroll budget as they appear to be (I can cite numerous examples like Washburn, etc which shows they are), paying that kind of money to him will greatly limit their flexibility.
Everyone on the team should not have a mega contract. Only those who are elite.
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MLBtrade rumors are reporting that Jeter wants (get this) 6 years 150 million. Yanks are offering 3 at 45 million. There is going to be some seriously hurt feelings in this one. 150 million is mind boggling. Those beards on his arm must cost a pretty fucking penny.
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MLBtrade rumors are reporting that Jeter wants (get this) 6 years 150 million. Yanks are offering 3 at 45 million. There is going to be some seriously hurt feelings in this one. 150 million is mind boggling. Those beards on his arm must cost a pretty fucking penny.
That number wasn't real. I don't think anyone believed it.
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Yanks resign Jeter and Mo.
...Sox had made a three year offer to Mo!
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Yanks resign Jeter and Mo.
...Sox had made a three year offer to Mo!
Really? I hear it was the same as NY. 2 yearss 30 mill.
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Really? I hear it was the same as NY. 2 yearss 30 mill.
Papers here said 3 years and more $ but he wanted to stay.
....wonder how Papplbon feels about that!?
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Papers here said 3 years and more $ but he wanted to stay.
....wonder how Papplbon feels about that!?
Papelbon should get in shape, shut his mouth, and come back better than ever. He said he wants to set the bar for closer salaries, so he should pitch like Rivera this year. He hasn't been right since 08. It would have been great for Bard to learn from the best ever though. Nothing but respect for Mariano.
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Papelbon should get in shape, shut his mouth, and come back better than ever. He said he wants to set the bar for closer salaries, so he should pitch like Rivera this year. He hasn't been right since 08. It would have been great for Bard to learn from the best ever thiugh, Nothing but respect for Mariano.
Bard has potential but who knows...there's only one Mo.he's ageless.
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Lance Berkman to Cardinals. 1 year for 8 Million. Waste of money IMO. They need to sign Puljols long term and not worry about some has been. I hope I am wrong but I think Lance has seen better days.
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Bard has potential but who knows...there's only one Mo.he's ageless.
This is true.
The hate for Paplebon is overblown. He was easily one of the best closers in the MLB last year. People got used to his lights out performances when they sox were winning titles.
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Werth to D.C.
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Werth to D.C.
7 years to a guy who is 32. Insane.
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This is true.
The hate for Paplebon is overblown. He was easily one of the best closers in the MLB last year. People got used to his lights out performances when they sox were winning titles.
Very true. Pap is a freak but also a douche. He's shown zero respect to the fans and the FO of the Red sox. Even stating he is going to the highest offer. The passive aggressiveness in me says fuck him and make Bard the closer and Pap the set up man(just to drop his value next year in FA). However, everybody knows that the best picture(not starting) is the 8th inning man(set up man) these days. Closers are going to be extint soon. Fuck Pap and his bad ass persona
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Carl Crawford to the Sox.
....RedSox are ruining baseball by spending all that $!!!
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FUCKING KIDDING ME?! It will hurt that much more when the yanks smack em around i guess ;) >:(
Yanks offered lee 7/160-165.....i dont like it.
little article on greinke
Greinke is OK with pinstripes
By Jeff Passan, Yahoo! Sports Nov 30, 4:00 pm EST
If the New York Yankees somehow lose out on the Cliff Lee(notes) sweepstakes, they still may have a shot at getting an ace to go alongside CC Sabathia(notes).
Though Kansas City starter Zack Greinke(notes) has a no-trade clause in his contract that includes the Yankees and other big-market teams, a source close to the right-hander suggested he would happily pitch anywhere that would provide a winning team.
“I wouldn’t put it past him to go to New York,” the source said. “I don’t think he’d rule out anybody. He says he likes New York. Especially because they’re winners. He wants to go to a team that wins.
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“He’s got a list, but in the process, a lot of people have lists.”
The source suggested Greinke’s preference for a no-trade clause had nothing to do with his feelings about pitching in a large market, as many have interpreted because of his earlier battles with anxiety issues. Instead, no-trade clauses often give a player leverage to negotiate a new contract, something that Greinke could utilize were the Royals to engage with one of the teams on his list.
Foxsports.com reported that Greinke can submit 15 teams this season to which he could block a trade and that his no-trade privileges expire after this season. Greinke’s salary jumps to $13.5 million in 2011 and 2012, the last two seasons of a four-year extension he signed before he won the American League Cy Young Award in 2009.
Because of the no-trade clause, Greinke has been linked exclusively with teams that operate in mild media markets similar to Kansas City’s – namely the Texas Rangers and Minnesota Twins. The Royals have continued to talk about Greinke with the Yankees, according to a source, knowing that the no-trade clause isn’t the impediment it’s been made out to be.
Kansas City’s options with Greinke are plentiful. They could try to maximize his value by trading him before the season or hope it improves by the All-Star break with a return to 2009 form after he posted a 4.07 ERA last season. They could keep him around for another season and hope the wave of minor league talent – the Royals’ farm system is recognized by scouts and talent evaluators as the best in baseball by a significant margin – convinces him to re-sign. Or they could make a run at the AL Central title with Greinke and the youth in 2012. If the Royals do deal Greinke, they expect return commensurate with what Texas received for Mark Teixeira(notes) in 2007: at least one major league-ready player and multiple high-level prospects.
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2nd, don't believe everything you read. Remember when I said NY wasn't in on Crawford and that Boston was a landing spot?
How would anyone know what NY offered? They always keep their stuff under wraps. If they do go to 7 on Lee, it's not ideal, but he should be elite for at least 3 and good for a couple. He's the type of pitcher who doesn't get by on power, so decline shouldn't be as steep.
20+M for Crawford is ludicrous, but money doesn't matter when you're talking NY or Boston. It's getting the player that counts. Good signing.
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2nd, don't believe everything you read. Remember when I said NY wasn't in on Crawford and that Boston was a landing spot?
erroneus, really. What makes you think i took that as gospel? I put the damn thing in quotes for gods sake.
How would anyone know what NY offered? They always keep their stuff under wraps. If they do go to 7 on Lee, it's not ideal, but he should be elite for at least 3 and good for a couple. He's the type of pitcher who doesn't get by on power, so decline shouldn't be as steep.
He'll be 33 next year. He's gonna be lights out until hes 36-37? When during any part of his career has he shown elite consistency? He hasnt. He hasnt shown that sustained level of elite pitching over a number of years. What im saying is, he hasnt been a #1 guy from day one. But, the yankees print money so whatever.
20+M for Crawford is ludicrous, but money doesn't matter when you're talking NY or Boston. It's getting the player that counts. Good signing.
I agree. He doesn hit for power. I dont care that he hit 20 dingers this year. He was playing for a contract. The guys game is built on his legs. This is a bit of a gamble.
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erroneus, really. What makes you think i took that as gospel? I put the damn thing in quotes for gods sake.
He'll be 33 next year. He's gonna be lights out until hes 36-37? When during any part of his career has he shown elite consistency? He hasnt. He hasnt shown that sustained level of elite pitching over a number of years. What im saying is, he hasnt been a #1 guy from day one. But, the yankees print money so whatever.
I agree. He doesn hit for power. I dont care that he hit 20 dingers this year. He was playing for a contract. The guys game is built on his legs. This is a bit of a gamble.
Left field at Fenway will help compinsate for his beelow average, and the Green Monster will help his homers and batting average...but yes a bit of a gamble.
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nope, nothing will convince me.
150$ million for crawford is PATHETIC.
This off-season as a whole has been filled with pathetic contracts.
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erroneus, really. What makes you think i took that as gospel? I put the damn thing in quotes for gods sake.
He'll be 33 next year. He's gonna be lights out until hes 36-37? When during any part of his career has he shown elite consistency? He hasnt. He hasnt shown that sustained level of elite pitching over a number of years. What im saying is, he hasnt been a #1 guy from day one. But, the yankees print money so whatever.
I agree. He doesn hit for power. I dont care that he hit 20 dingers this year. He was playing for a contract. The guys game is built on his legs. This is a bit of a gamble.
I wasn't inferring you took it as gospel. Sorry if you read it that way.
Cliff Lee is a unique pitcher to evaluate. You can point to his inconsistency, as you stated, but you have to view Lee almost like two separate pitchers: pre 2007 and post 2007. You may know this, but Lee was sent to the friggin' minor leagues in 2007 because he was horrible. Since they "fixed" him, he's put together 3 seasons of phenomenal pitching.
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nope, nothing will convince me.
150$ million for crawford is PATHETIC.
This off-season as a whole has been filled with pathetic contracts.
Crawford's contract is silly, no matter how you slice it. But, as said, it's irrelevant. Boston has successfully replaced Beltre/Martinez production, and gotten better defensive at 1st and OF, and downgraded slightly at 3b defense. It was a good move.
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A little OT, but where do you guys think cano will hit next year?
Will they slide teix down to #5 spot?
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I wasn't inferring you took it as gospel. Sorry if you read it that way.
Cliff Lee is a unique pitcher to evaluate. You can point to his inconsistency, as you stated, but you have to view Lee almost like two separate pitchers: pre 2007 and post 2007. You may know this, but Lee was sent to the friggin' minor leagues in 2007 because he was horrible. Since they "fixed" him, he's put together 3 seasons of phenomenal pitching.
Oh ok, no worries then :)
I still think 7 years is too much. But again, theyre printing money.
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A little OT, but where do you guys think cano will hit next year?
Will they slide teix down to #5 spot?
I think they keep Cano in the 5 spot and see If Mark rebounds....if he struggles then Cano goes to three.
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I think they keep Cano in the 5 spot and see If Mark rebounds....if he struggles then Cano goes to three.
It's a good problem to have. I don't think it matters which guy hits where.
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The reason the sox can throw big money around is because of the strength of their farm system. For example, Lester and Bucky, two of the best pitchers in the MLB are going to cost them a combined 7 million next year.
Yes,the sox spend big bucks and they buy players, but they also have a lot of homegrown talent on the team
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Rays will struggle this year and it will back to the Sox vs Yanks.
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I can see them winning 80-85 games this year. Their pitching staff is still pretty solid. Still have longoria. And a couple nice young prospects.
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Rays will struggle this year and it will back to the Sox vs Yanks.
True. But I still think it all boils down to which team remains the healthiest.
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Yanks offer Lee a seventh year.
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Yanks offer Lee a seventh year.
I dont post heresay >:( ;D
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If Lee is like all the other players in baseball, he hopefully follows the money.
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I was wrong. Never thought they would sign Crawford.
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So yea...no lee for the yankees.
This should be fun. :)
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cliff lee to the phillies last minute deal, rotation of halladay, lee, oswalt, hamels could be historic if all stay healthy. blanton rumoured to be going to redsox.
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Yankess being owned hard this offseason.
Lee turns down 50 million extra bones from NY. I guess he called the owner of the Rangers direct to say he would not be taking the deal, and then had his agent call Cashmen.
Yankess fans who dumped beer and spit on Lee's wife on suicide watch.
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Yankess being owned hard this offseason.
Lee turns down 50 million extra bones from NY. I guess he called the owner of the Rangers direct to say he would not be taking the deal, and then had his agent call Cashmen.
Yankess fans who dumped beer and spit on Lee's wife on suicide watch.
Won't matter when Boston is still playing second-fiddle to the Yanks despite dropping 9 figures on Crawford.
Will be even funnier when you still try to use the "Boston doesn't buy championships" excuse when we all know that's been bullshit for a decade now.
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Yankess being owned hard this offseason.
Lee turns down 50 million extra bones from NY. I guess he called the owner of the Rangers direct to say he would not be taking the deal, and then had his agent call Cashmen.
Yankess fans who dumped beer and spit on Lee's wife on suicide watch.
Not really, they have different needs than Boston. Boston absoutely had to replace the lost production of Beltre and Martinez, and they didn't have the farm system to do it.
The Lee contract is not 50 million less than the one NY offered, either, at least by my calcs. In fact, the Philadelphia offer had the highest AAV out of all the offers. Lee called Texas personally because he was hunting on Nolan Ryan's ranch during the negotiations. He completely used them. He never was going to NY.
If the Yanks get Pettitte back they're back to being a team that won 96 games last year, with their #2 out two months, their C out two months, their AS first baseman doing nothing for the first six weeks, etc......
They'll add someone on top of that by the ASB.
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Won't matter when Boston is still playing second-fiddle to the Yanks despite dropping 9 figures on Crawford.
Will be even funnier when you still try to use the "Boston doesn't buy championships" excuse when we all know that's been bullshit for a decade now.
Clearly you don't pay attention to what I write. Of course Boston spends big money. They can do that when guys like Bucky and Lester cost them 7 million a year. Half the team came from their farm system. While the Sox spend big bucks and "buy titles" (just like several other teams) they don't spend like the Yankees, and it says it all when a guy turns down FIFTY MILLION extra bucks to play for someone else.
As I understand it, Boston has just as many titles as NY over the last ten years.
I don't even have to argue with you as you do a fantastic job of embarrassing yourself to anyone who is not 9 years old. Why are the Sox going to play second fiddle to the yankees next year?
Something tells this post will turn out to be like your pre season Patriots prediction, ha ha.
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Not really, they have different needs than Boston. Boston absoutely had to replace the lost production of Beltre and Martinez, and they didn't have the farm system to do it.
The Lee contract is not 50 million less than the one NY offered, either, at least by my calcs. In fact, the Philadelphia offer had the highest AAV out of all the offers. Lee called Texas personally because he was hunting on Nolan Ryan's ranch during the negotiations. He completely used them. He never was going to NY.
If the Yanks get Pettitte back they're back to being a team that won 96 games last year, with their #2 out two months, their C out two months, their AS first baseman doing nothing for the first six weeks, etc......
They'll add someone on top of that by the ASB.
All the reports I heard have the Yankee contract worth 50 million more. It’s 100 million total, correct? Lee could have got more than that from NY.
Come on man, any reasonable person calls each one of the two teams offering him a mega deal and declines if a third party wins out. Why would Lee take the time to call the Texas owner and not Cashmen?
You’re right…the Yankees will be a good team and they will add players. That being said, they have lost out big time this offseason considering their spending power.
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Clearly you don't pay attention to what I write. Of course Boston spends big money. They can do that when guys like Bucky and Lester cost them 7 million a year. More then half the team came from their farm system. While the Sox spend big bucks (just like several other teams) they don't spend like the Yankees, and it says it all when a guy turns down FIFTY MILLION extra bucks to play for someone else.
As I understand it, Boston has just as many titles as NY over the last ten years.
I don't even have to argue with you as you do a fantastic job of embarrassing yourself to anyone who is not 9 years old. Why are the Sox going to play second fiddle to the yankees next year?
Something tells this post will turn out to be like your pre season Patriots prediction, ha ha.
The Sox don't spend like the Yankees? They just gave Crawford $142 million. You're a spitting image of the Yankees, minus the dozens of championships and continued success. ::)
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Clearly you don't pay attention to what I write. Of course Boston spends big money. They can do that when guys like Bucky and Lester cost them 7 million a year. More then half the team came from their farm system. While the Sox spend big bucks (just like several other teams) they don't spend like the Yankees, and it says it all when a guy turns down FIFTY MILLION extra bucks to play for someone else.
Please stop saying 50M.
Lee contract:
5 years $120 million ($24 million annual)
6th year vesting option of $27.5 million that vests if he pitches 200 innings in year 5, or 400 innings between years 4-5
Total potential contract value: 6 years, $147.5 million
OR a buyout of the 6th year of $12.5 million
Worst case scenario he signed a 5 year $132.5 million contract (120 + the buyout of 12.5). Best case it's 147.5M.
Yankees offer to Cliff Lee:
6 years $136 million (22.6 million AAV)
$16 million player option for seventh year
Max Payout: $152M
So the difference between the two offers is a maximum of 19.5 million and a minimum of 4.5M. And it doesn't say anything about the Yankees at all. He also turned down more money to play in Texas. Lee just wanted to go to Philly all along. He completely used Texas, and, to a lesser extent the Yankees.
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Come on man, any reasonable person calls each one of the two teams offering him a mega deal and declines if a third party wins out. Why would Lee take the time to call the Texas owner and not Cashmen?
I also explained this. He had a relationship with Texas. He was hunting on Nolan Ryan's ranch during the negotiations. That's why he called Texas. No player calls the other teams who are bidding - that's the agent's job.
This deal says nothing negative about NY, just that Lee preferred Philly over them AND Texas.
NY will just have to be patient and see what's next. They're still a playoff team at this point.
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The Sox don't spend like the Yankees? They just gave Crawford $142 million. You're a spitting image of the Yankees, minus the dozens of championships and continued success. ::)
What do you not understand about overall payroll? Over the last decade both teams have 2 titles. What has each team spent to acquire those two titles. Has one team spent way more than the other?
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Please stop saying 50M.
Lee contract:
5 years $120 million ($24 million annual)
6th year vesting option of $27.5 million that vests if he pitches 200 innings in year 5, or 400 innings between years 4-5
Total potential contract value: 6 years, $147.5 million
OR a buyout of the 6th year of $12.5 million
Worst case scenario he signed a 5 year $132.5 million contract (120 + the buyout of 12.5). Best case it's 147.5M.
Yankees offer to Cliff Lee:
6 years $136 million (22.6 million AAV)
$16 million player option for seventh year
Max Payout: $152M
So the difference between the two offers is a maximum of 19.5 million and a minimum of 4.5M. And it doesn't say anything about the Yankees at all. He also turned down more money to play in Texas. Lee just wanted to go to Philly all along. He completely used Texas, and, to a lesser extent the Yankees.
So you're in the Yankee camp downplaying the magnitude of this debacle? Not that big a deal that Lee didn't sign with NY, given the unlimited resources?
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I also explained this. He had a relationship with Texas. He was hunting on Nolan Ryan's ranch during the negotiations. That's why he called Texas. No player calls the other teams who are bidding - that's the agent's job.
This deal says nothing negative about NY, just that Lee preferred Philly over them AND Texas.
NY will just have to be patient and see what's next. They're still a playoff team at this point.
Do you have a way of varifying this? We might have to disagree, as I believe the no call to Cashmen was deliberate.
I think it's about 50/50 in NYC regarding what this says about the Yankees.
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So you're in the Yankee camp downplaying the magnitude of this debacle? Not that big a deal that Lee didn't sign with NY, given the unlimited resources?
I don't consider it a debacle because it's now apparent that Lee didn't want to play there and did want to play in Philly. There's nothing that NY could have done, other than offers something completely stupid that would outweigh what Lee brought to the table. Now, if the Yankees passed on Danny Haren last year because they thought they had Lee in the bag, then it would be a little more so. But I don't know that.
Do I think it would have been incredible to have Lee on the Yankees? Of course. Are they done because of it? Not by a long shot.
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Do you have a way of varifying this? We might have to disagree, as I believe the no call to Cashmen was deliberate.
I think it's about 50/50 in NYC regarding what this says about the Yankees.
I heard that on the radio (WFAN) during the negotiations, but I'll see what I can find. But we don't need to google anything to know that Lee was on the Texas Rangers, had a personal relationship with Nolan Ryan, and that he respected the ownership. But it's also true he used them.
As for the Cashman thing, the players don't usually make that call. That's why the call to the Rangers is getting press.
Boras told Epstein he wasn't getting Teixeira. Did that show resentment towards Boston on Teixeira's behalf? Of course not - it's just how the system works. Trying to make more out of it is just something Red Sox fans want it to be.
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B88:
My wife said to me tonight "Why did Cliff Lee take FIFTY MILLION less......."
I asked why everyone is saying that. She said that's what they were saying on WBZ and the news stations. I give you a pass. ;D ;D
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Lee took the more lucrative deal. Plus when you factor in ny state tax etc.
Yankees will be fine. They limped in to the post season and still made it to the alcs last year. Jeter had the worst season of his career and still racked up 100 runs. Teix and arod couldnt hit a beach ball. They both should have bounce back years. Re-sign wood. The top of theyre rotation is still solid. Develop nova, who has the tools to be a solid starter.
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Lee took the more lucrative deal. Plus when you factor in ny state tax etc.
Yankees will be fine. They limped in to the post season and still made it to the alcs last year. Jeter had the worst season of his career and still racked up 100 runs. Teix and arod couldnt hit a beach ball. They both should have bounce back years. Re-sign wood. The top of theyre rotation is still solid. Develop nova, who has the tools to be a solid starter.
Yup. 96 wins with their #2 missing two months, Posada missing two months, Teixeira and Arod having down years, Granderson injured and/or non existent for 6 weeks, Burnett pitching horribly, Javy Vazquez pitching horribly...etc.
All teams have this stuff going on, but it points to the fact that it's not unreasonable to expect improvement. Cano and Gardner will not likely have repeat seasons, but shouldn't fall off a cliff either.
They need Pettitte, though.
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why did the yankees sign russell martin, they already have no pop cervelli old man posada and jesus montero top prospect already in the fold? how many catchers do you need.
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why did the yankees sign russell martin, they already have no pop cervelli old man posada and jesus montero top prospect already in the fold? how many catchers do you need.
Posada was told he will be the DH this year.they don't think of Cervelli as the future,and if they wanna trade for a stud pitcher they're gonna have to give up one of the two prospects.
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latest rumour is phillies talking to pedro martinez to be number five next year. pedro is a youngster compared to jamie moyer.
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why did the yankees sign russell martin, they already have no pop cervelli old man posada and jesus montero top prospect already in the fold? how many catchers do you need.
Posada will be the full time DH.
Montero will compete for the starting catcher job with Martin. If Martin is the back up, at worst he is Cervelli's equivalent except with good defense, at best, he regains his form from two years ago and returns to being an above-average hitting catcher. It's an upgrade to Cervelli no matter how you look at it.
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If montero doesnt get dealed, could he be the next captain? :o
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If montero doesnt get dealed, could he be the next captain? :o
No.
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If montero doesnt get dealed, could he be the next captain? :o
Haha,I think maybe he should play at least one game before they name him captain ;)
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Haha,I think maybe he should play at least one game before they name him captain ;)
;D
Well jeter is gone in 2-3 years.
Next in line is cano possibly. Teix i dont know.
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;D
Well jeter is gone in 2-3 years.
Next in line is cano possibly. Teix i dont know.
Doubt it. Yankees don't always have a captain.
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Doubt it. Yankees don't always have a captain.
Lol, since the boss bought the team they have.
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Lol, since the boss bought the team they have.
lol? Who was their captain from 1996-2002? Or the first four years he owned the team. Plus, there are a bunch of years mixed in between where there was no captain.
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And there was also like a 30 year drop off of no captains until he bought the team. Theres been a bunch since hes owned the team. I think that tells us something.
If you want to play semantics, yea, theres a couple years sprinkled in between each captain. Does that mean theres gonna be decades passing between captains after jeter is gone? Highly unlikely. We know what this ownership is about. They sell mystique. End of story.
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And there was also like a 30 year drop off of no captains until he bought the team. Theres been a bunch since hes owned the team. I think that tells us something.
If you want to play semantics, yea, theres a couple years sprinkled in between each captain. Does that mean theres gonna be decades passing between captains after jeter is gone? Highly unlikely. We know what this ownership is about. They sell mystique. End of story.
Six years is a decent stretch.
All my point was that there is not always a captain. It's generally someone of significance and respect. I don't know who fits that mold after Jeter. Rivera would easily, but he'll be out at a similar time.
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Six years is a decent stretch.
All my point was that there is not always a captain. It's generally someone of significance and respect. I don't know who fits that mold after Jeter. Rivera would easily, but he'll be out at a similar time.
Hey, you never know. That was my point really. Montero is a homegrown guy. If he turns out to be a stud with his bat, and he represents the yanks off the field as good as he does on it, you never know.
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Hey, you never know. That was my point really. Montero is a homegrown guy. If he turns out to be a stud with his bat, and he represents the yanks off the field as good as he does on it, you never know.
True. But I know nothing about the guys ouside of of baseball-related stuff. Never even heard him speak.
He's supposed to be a hitter along the lines of Heyward, etc...
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Jenks to Boston. Not a bad pick up for Theo. Just 2 years and no draft picks. Boston has 3 potential closers who can work the 7th-8th-9th innings. Although something tells me Paps may be gone.
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Looks like wood is going back to chicago.
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Looks like wood is going back to chicago.
Cheap too.
I wouldn't mind a little overspend on R Soriano for NY right now. But, I may change my mind in a few hours....
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the mets are noteably absent from all talks here and on mlb boards are they just giving up, or just standing pat with the bad hand that they dealt themselves. k-rod bust santana burn out beltran diaster, no real need to go on. attendance sucks.
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the mets are noteably absent from all talks here and on mlb boards are they just giving up, or just standing pat with the bad hand that they dealt themselves. k-rod bust santana burn out beltran diaster, no real need to go on. attendance sucks.
Horrible luck with Jason Bay in his first year
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Jenks to Boston. Not a bad pick up for Theo. Just 2 years and no draft picks. Boston has 3 potential closers who can work the 7th-8th-9th innings. Although something tells me Paps may be gone.
He's going year to year via arbitration, and he has said on numerous occasions that he wants to be the best closer in the game, and to be paid like it as well.
He's good, and he's still a top closer, but his throwing style and lack of pitches will never allow him to be the "best in the game" (over a long period of time). He wants huge money and a long term deal; the sox know this...hence why they will eventually let him walk or trade him.
Pap's problem is that he was so good, so quick, people expect him to be lights out 100% of the time.
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rafael soriano, anyone?
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rafael soriano, anyone?
Thats a major piece of the Yankee's puzzle. They had to do something and that might be the move that keeps them in stride with the Red Sox. Should be a very interesting year for both teams.
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rafael soriano, anyone?
Good move.
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inb4 grapeape brings up sorianos fly ball rate :D
But seriously, this is a good piece to the puzzle.
A little iffy on the contract though.
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inb4 grapeape brings up sorianos fly ball rate :D
But seriously, this is a good piece to the puzzle.
A little iffy on the contract though.
lol!!!!
I like the addition. It helps the team. The money's insane for a middle reliever, but I think the idea might be that they hope he opts out after year 1.
I would like to see them use this as a way to get Chamberlain back into the starting rotation, but they've been standing firm on not doing that, for some reason.
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The yankee's signed andrew jones. :-[
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The yankee's signed andrew jones. :-[
Great 4th OF. Still destroys LHP, and is a defensive upgrade from Thames.
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The yankee's signed andrew jones. :-[
guy is only 33 won't be 34 till end of april and hit 19 homers in 278 at bats with a decent obase pct. yanks made a good pick up. he could be a major player in the right hands read good coaching with the proper motivation.
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guy is only 33 won't be 34 till end of april and hit 19 homers in 278 at bats with a decent obase pct. yanks made a good pick up. he could be a major player in the right hands read good coaching with the proper motivation.
Yup.
He could also be a replacement should the Yankees have to swap Gardner in a trade for a SP or if Gardner's wrist injury from last year has not healed.
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Manny and Damon both to Tampa.
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Manny and Damon both to Tampa.
I used to really like Manny, all the way until he got to Chicaco last year. Now I think he's a bum.
Tampa will not fall off a cliff like many have said.
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no more andy.
NEW YORK -- The Core Four is now down to We Three.
As many expected since the New York Yankees' 2010 season ended in disappointment in Texas, Andy Pettitte will officially announce his retirement at a news conference at Yankee Stadium at 10:30 a.m. ET on Friday.
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6086575 (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6086575)
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no more andy.
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6086575 (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6086575)
Bummer :'(
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Yeah, bummer. But it was expected.
I had hoped there were about 12 million or so reasons he would return for a year, but the Yankees have been operating the last few months assuming otherwise.
For my fellow Yankee fans, this is one of the best, if not the best, Yankees blog out there. These guys are really good and update their site about 4-5 times a day.
www.riveraveblues.com
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Yeah, bummer. But it was expected.
I had hoped there were about 12 million or so reasons he would return for a year, but the Yankees have been operating the last few months assuming otherwise.
For my fellow Yankee fans, this is one of the best, if not the best, Yankees blog out there. These guys are really good and update their site about 4-5 times a day.
www.riveraveblues.com
PIP {pitch in peace} Andy!
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Other than Sabathia and maybe Hughes, Yanks are trying to play 5 inning games and have the bullpen close it. Better have them all stay healthy or disatster.
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Other than Sabathia and maybe Hughes, Yanks are trying to play 5 inning games and have the bullpen close it. Better have them all stay healthy or disatster.
Yankees are hoping Rothschild can get Burnett back to normal, and waiting for the right opportunity to present itself as far as SP is concerned, and hoping one of the three pieces of shit they're throwing against the spring training wall will stick for a decent #5. They're just going to have to bludgeon teams until then. They will make a move.
I'm going to guess Carpenter if he stays healthy, but it's just a guess.
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Welp its official, beisbol' season is pretty much here. :o
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Anyone think Pujols will be a Yankee next season?
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Anyone think Pujols will be a Yankee next season?
No chance.
Where does he play? The corner IF of the Yankees and locked by gigantic long term deals with good players who have NTCs in their contracts.
I would love to be wrong on this, but it doesn't seem realistic at all.
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phillies looking at john maine, WHY?
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phillies looking at john maine, WHY?
They've been trying to dump Blanton for a while now.
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Cabrera from the Tigers got a DUI last night...second time with a drinking problem.
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Cabrera from the Tigers got a DUI last night...second time with a drinking problem.
He needs to stop playing ball for a little while and go into rehab. He's young enough to rebound from it.
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They've been trying to dump Blanton for a while now.
Yes, I liked the rumors that he was going to your team. They didn't make any sense or jive with Theo's M.O., but it was nice to hope for.
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He needs to stop playing ball for a little while and go into rehab. He's young enough to rebound from it.
He should.
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He should.
I've never understood the mentality of people who have so much money to lose by doing this shit. Just get a driver/limo etc..
Athletes are fucking retarded.
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I've never understood the mentality of people who have so much money to lose by doing this shit. Just get a driver/limo etc..
Athletes are fucking retarded.
I remember him catching shit in I think 09 cuz he was to hungover to play one day in a playoff race :-\
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honest to god... i partook in
a little a lot of booze last night for no damn reason. The usual vodka.
I was sweating and throwing up all morning. Like gulps of blood too at one point :-\. It took me like 6 hours to become functional and leave my house. I'd rather not go in to further detail.
Here's an update about the situation with the mets
Mets owner Fred Wilpon insisted today that he knew "not one iota" about Bernie Madoff's multi-billion-dollar investment fraud, and that his family would be vindicated of any complicity in the multi-billion-dollar Ponzi scheme.
"If anything we trusted a friend for a very long time, and as I told you a few months ago, that betrayal was very difficult for me."
"This was a man who we were friends with for 35 years and investors for 25 years."
A recent court filing by the trustee representing Bernie Madoff's victims, and a just-published interview with the Ponzi schemer himself, have renewed public scrutiny of the long business and personal relationship between the Madoff and Wilpon families, and raised questions about the fiscal health of the National League franchise.
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I've never seen a happier dude in a mugshot photo.
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I've never seen a happier dude in a mugshot photo.
mass check out booker t the wrestler when he got arrested robbing the wendy's he worked at while wearing his wendy's uniform, he looked almost proud.