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Title: Who would have thought??
Post by: Gym Rat on March 26, 2024, 11:03:21 AM
Libturdz are loaded w/ mental health issues... Gee, really???  ::)
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: IroNat on March 26, 2024, 11:15:47 AM
Libturdism is an indication of mental illness.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 26, 2024, 11:21:09 AM
I'm not a liberal but there could be all sorts of reasons a certain group has diagnoses. For example a higher propensity seek healthcare. Someone told me everyone would be diagnosed with a mental health condition, if they sought treatment. Could be. Another thing to look up would be education and IQ between conservatives and liberals, remember, bad politics doesn't mean stupid necessarily. There are plenty of smart liberals. Lots of smart people have mental issues, and stupid people may not go to the doctors for "help." I think that's almost a fact. I bet. Just trying to be objective :D I loathe liberal values, just to be clear.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Gym Rat on March 27, 2024, 02:14:23 AM
I'm not a liberal but there could be all sorts of reasons a certain group has diagnoses. For example a higher propensity seek healthcare. Someone told me everyone would be diagnosed with a mental health condition, if they sought treatment. Could be. Another thing to look up would be education and IQ between conservatives and liberals, remember, bad politics doesn't mean stupid necessarily. There are plenty of smart liberals. Lots of smart people have mental issues, and stupid people may not go to the doctors for "help." I think that's almost a fact. I bet. Just trying to be objective :D I loathe liberal values, just to be clear.

Quiet down you. We dont need people in here who make too much sense!!   ;)
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 27, 2024, 04:13:23 AM
I'm not a liberal but there could be all sorts of reasons a certain group has diagnoses. For example a higher propensity seek healthcare. Someone told me everyone would be diagnosed with a mental health condition, if they sought treatment. Could be. Another thing to look up would be education and IQ between conservatives and liberals, remember, bad politics doesn't mean stupid necessarily. There are plenty of smart liberals. Lots of smart people have mental issues, and stupid people may not go to the doctors for "help." I think that's almost a fact. I bet. Just trying to be objective :D I loathe liberal values, just to be clear.

You assumption would be credible if you were correct in saying liberals are more intelligent than people with conservative values. That is quite an assumption.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 28, 2024, 08:30:46 AM
You assumption would be credible if you were correct in saying liberals are more intelligent than people with conservative values. That is quite an assumption.

I don't know, haven't looked it up. I have seen references claiming liberals have more education on average, but like I said I haven't looked it up. I have seen claims that higher education is really liberal brain washing and how all the professors at institutions like Harward are liberals, and those who aren't keep it hush-hush due to the current zeitgeist. Like I said, a liberal can be really smart while espousing Marxist views. And Jews are said to have higher average IQs and as many Jews have said Judaism equals Marxism//communism/socialism/democracy, they are all synonyms.

I think I will look up what has been said about IQ and education and liberals vs conservatives...

Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 28, 2024, 08:46:18 AM
Red states are known for having the highest rates in obesity, teen pregnancies, high school drop outs, poverty, divorce, and apparently mental illness.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/these-states-have-the-worst-mental-health?onepage
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 28, 2024, 08:54:49 AM
Red states are known for having the highest rates in obesity, teen pregnancies, high school drop outs, poverty, divorce, and apparently mental illness.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/these-states-have-the-worst-mental-health?onepage

Liberals are forever making this argument and always conveniently leave out that the worst parts of these states vote over 90% Blue:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham,_Alabama

73.4% African American (Black)
22.3% White American


Recently, a Washington “think tank”😂 group put out  a paper that concluded that red states were more violent than blue states and of course didn’t take race into account at all.



Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 28, 2024, 09:04:40 AM
Socialists believe that if everybody shared equally there would always be plenty to go around. But the reality is nature is very stingy, and humans have had to fight and scratch for everything we have.

Their ideology is at odds with reality and that IMO leads to depression.

Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 28, 2024, 09:06:37 AM

I think I will look up what has been said about IQ and education and liberals vs conservatives...

An example from a quick google:

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Conservatives exhibit less cognitive ability than liberals do. Or that's what it says in the social science literature, anyway. A 2010 study using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, for example, found that the IQs of young adults who described themselves as "very liberal" averaged 106.42, whereas the mean of those who identified as "very conservative" was 94.82. Similarly, when a 2009 study correlated cognitive capacity with political beliefs among 1,254 community college students and 1,600 foreign students seeking entry to U.S. universities, it found that conservatism is "related to low performance on cognitive ability tests." In 2012, a paper reported that people endorse more conservative views when drunk or under cognitive pressure; it concluded that "political conservatism may be a process consequence of low-effort thought." 

But there are caveats, read the whole article if interested:

https://reason.com/2014/06/13/are-conservatives-dumber-than-liberals/

I did see some other stuff saying conservatives were smarter by some other measures.

As far as education, firs result from my google search:

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Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values. And these differences have increased over the past two decades.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/

But I haven't delved into it deeper... like with all research there's going to be dissenters, taking issue with how the research was done etc.

But let's say the research is correct and liberals are both smarter and more educated, it underscores my point that someone who who subscribes to, for me, reprehensible ideologies can be cognitively smart. I haven't done any tests but I think I'm more conservative and "right wing," definitely would be described as "extreme right wing" by many aka "domestic terrorist" and part of the "biggest threat" if I was in the US  :D As would I think most getbiggers  :D

But at the same time it's imo important to be correct and not say liberals are "stupid" if everything points to the opposite being true. If liberals are "smarter," so be it. After all, the liberals have been winning the ideological war thus far. Will it swing the other way in the future, I hope so but I doubt it. Liberals literally own the educational institutions as of now. Trump being in office didn't change anything as far as that, they probably just got more liberal (?)

On getbig someone like LurkerNoMore runs circles around Coach is back in debating, in my opinion. I say that despite me being closer to Coach as far as politics. Coach is so frustrated he calls for bans of Lurker or Oak or Agent007 [edit: I meant Agnostic007], I don't know on what grounds :D
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 28, 2024, 09:13:55 AM
Liberals are forever making this argument and always conveniently leave out that the worst parts of these states vote over 90% Blue:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham,_Alabama

73.4% African American (Black)
22.3% White American


Recently, a Washington “think tank”😂 group put out  a paper that concluded that red states were more violent than blue states and of course didn’t take race into account at all.

Yet no one, neither liberal nor conservative dares take race into account. Only freaks do and they are completely frozen out of polite circles  :D

Jared Taylor is someone who writes almost exclusively about this, but no high profile conservative politician will want to be associated with him, no matter how much sense Jared makes.

https://www.amren.com/author/jartaylor/

Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Thin Lizzy on March 28, 2024, 09:18:58 AM
Yet no one, neither liberal nor conservative dares take race into account. Only freaks do and they are completely frozen out of polite circles  :D

Jared Taylor is someone who writes almost exclusively about this, but no high profile conservative politician will want to be associated with him, no matter how much sense Jared makes.

https://www.amren.com/author/jartaylor/

There’s nothing to gain by doing so. Liberals can’t afford to offend their pet voting base and conservatives don’t want to be labeled racist over a problem that has no solution other then to label high crime black areas as “blighted” and then send in the national guard to patrol them forever.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Dave D on March 28, 2024, 09:24:48 AM
I'm not a liberal but there could be all sorts of reasons a certain group has diagnoses. For example a higher propensity seek healthcare. Someone told me everyone would be diagnosed with a mental health condition, if they sought treatment. Could be. Another thing to look up would be education and IQ between conservatives and liberals, remember, bad politics doesn't mean stupid necessarily. There are plenty of smart liberals. Lots of smart people have mental issues, and stupid people may not go to the doctors for "help." I think that's almost a fact. I bet. Just trying to be objective :D I loathe liberal values, just to be clear.

When you refer to education levels are you implying that those with more education tend to be more left leaning?
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 28, 2024, 09:29:12 AM
Liberals are forever making this argument and always conveniently leave out that the worst parts of these states vote over 90% Blue:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham,_Alabama

73.4% African American (Black)
22.3% White American


Recently, a Washington “think tank”😂 group put out  a paper that concluded that red states were more violent than blue states and of course didn’t take race into account at all.

Explain how 90% blue voting block = red state.   Especially when the red voters outnumber them.  Next you will be saying that Trickle Down Economics work.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: BEEFCAKE on March 28, 2024, 09:29:55 AM
Red states are known for having the highest rates in obesity, teen pregnancies, high school drop outs, poverty, divorce, and apparently mental illness.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/these-states-have-the-worst-mental-health?onepage

red states are packed with fat black joggers
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: IroNat on March 28, 2024, 09:29:56 AM
The more intelligent a person is the more likely to have mental illness.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Dave D on March 28, 2024, 09:52:48 AM
The more intelligent a person is the more likely to have mental illness.

I’m curious to see the correlation between IQ levels and education levels and mental illness diagnosed. I’m sure income level would be important as well because my assumption is poor people are unlikely to seek medical attention for mental illness afflictions.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: IroNat on March 28, 2024, 10:05:23 AM
I’m curious to see the correlation between IQ levels and education levels and mental illness diagnosed. I’m sure income level would be important as well because my assumption is poor people are unlikely to seek medical attention for mental illness afflictions.

Smart people think too much.

It's known that high IQ people make poor soldiers because they stress too much.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Dave D on March 28, 2024, 10:14:13 AM
Smart people think too much.

It's known that high IQ people make poor soldiers because they stress too much.

Good points.

Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 28, 2024, 12:08:05 PM
When you refer to education levels are you implying that those with more education tend to be more left leaning?

Well that's what the pewresearch link says I think. I just did a quick google and picked the first link. What do you think or know?

Conservatives complain that institutions of higher learning are liberal indoctrination centers, all the professors are liberals.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 28, 2024, 12:20:34 PM
red states are packed with fat black joggers

Then why are the states considered red?   ::)
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Goliathon on March 28, 2024, 12:50:15 PM
I'm not a liberal but there could be all sorts of reasons a certain group has diagnoses. For example a higher propensity seek healthcare. Someone told me everyone would be diagnosed with a mental health condition, if they sought treatment. Could be. Another thing to look up would be education and IQ between conservatives and liberals, remember, bad politics doesn't mean stupid necessarily. There are plenty of smart liberals. Lots of smart people have mental issues, and stupid people may not go to the doctors for "help." I think that's almost a fact. I bet. Just trying to be objective :D I loathe liberal values, just to be clear.

The vast majority of these women are miserable because of high stress "careers", alcohol consumption, shophoilics,  lack of kids and a man.

The medical establishment sees an obvious conclusion and just drugs them up past the point of caring.

Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Goliathon on March 28, 2024, 12:52:24 PM
Yet no one, neither liberal nor conservative dares take race into account. Only freaks do and they are completely frozen out of polite circles  :D

Jared Taylor is someone who writes almost exclusively about this, but no high profile conservative politician will want to be associated with him, no matter how much sense Jared makes.

https://www.amren.com/author/jartaylor/

He's a fraud, he's a white supremacist because he obsesses over IQ. Which makes no sense, because if IQ science tells you anything it's that intelligent people are superior regardless of race. It's funny watching idiots trying to debunk him.

Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: BEEFCAKE on March 28, 2024, 01:05:26 PM
Then why are the states considered red?   ::)

cause joggers dont vote
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 28, 2024, 03:40:03 PM
He's a fraud, he's a white supremacist because he obsesses over IQ. Which makes no sense, because if IQ science tells you anything it's that intelligent people are superior regardless of race. It's funny watching idiots trying to debunk him.

What's wrong with white supremacy? Actually all IQ obsessed supposed white supremacists always say asians have higher IQs than whites so how can they be supreme in that respect?

I'm not sure what you're saying in the bolded. Yes high IQ people are high IQ regardless of race. What Jared is saying is that some races have diffrent average IQs which makes them perform differently in society. Like black americans are at 85, whites at around 100, asians are over that, as well as perhaps ashkenazi Jews. Jewish IQ in Israel though is below 100, but this is ashkenazi Jews in the US. And what do you know, these groups perform exactly like their IQ would suggest. So what is the problem, the problem is that blacks can't ever be expected to perform like whites, asians and Jews, it's biology, social interventions can't ever compensate for the lower IQ. So in a rational world this would be taken into account, and you could better help the blacks, isn't this the goal? Why exactly is Jared a fraud? Some from the right feel he is a fraud because he refuses to touch the Jewish question. But I think that is a bit unfair, Jared just has decided not to go there, probably thinks it would harm his main goals. It's his decision to make, what fights he wants to take.

I have to ask, are you Jewish?
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 28, 2024, 06:42:16 PM
cause joggers dont vote

That's even worse.  The minority voting block casting the majority of votes and still can't do anything right when they have the power.   ::)

Try again.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Dave D on March 28, 2024, 06:55:54 PM
Well that's what the pewresearch link says I think. I just did a quick google and picked the first link. What do you think or know?

Conservatives complain that institutions of higher learning are liberal indoctrination centers, all the professors are liberals.

I know we have more information available than any period of human history. I think that information can be altered/interpreted to fulfill any viewpoint.

The political system is broken and there are people on both sides that think the opposition is evil (I am in this camp as well). I think the reality is that politic’s are theater and real agendas are pushed by what’s best for billionaire/corporate interests (which has always been Americas history).
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: BEEFCAKE on March 28, 2024, 11:31:01 PM
That's even worse.  The minority voting block casting the majority of votes and still can't do anything right when they have the power.   ::)

Try again.

are you a retard?
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Gym Rat on March 29, 2024, 01:45:18 AM
 ::) ::)
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Gym Rat on March 29, 2024, 01:48:34 AM
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Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Goliathon on March 29, 2024, 12:07:58 PM
What's wrong with white supremacy? Actually all IQ obsessed supposed white supremacists always say asians have higher IQs than whites so how can they be supreme in that respect?

Taylor is obsessed with the lack of genius in the asian population.

(http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sftfi1%7Bimage3%7D.gif)

They're not super smart they lack stupid people.



I'm not sure what you're saying in the bolded. Yes high IQ people are high IQ regardless of race. What Jared is saying is that some races have diffrent average IQs which makes them perform differently in society.
There's no "race" in this context.

Low Iq'd whites and blacks have way more in common than low IQ whites and high IQ whites.



Taylor knows the race thing isn't really relevant, but he has some odd racial agenda.

Like black americans are at 85, whites at around 100, asians are over that, as well as perhaps ashkenazi Jews.

Jewish IQ in Israel though is below 100, but this is ashkenazi Jews in the US. And what do you know, these groups perform exactly like their IQ would suggest. So what is the problem, the problem is that blacks can't ever be expected to perform like whites, asians and Jews, it's biology, social interventions can't ever compensate for the lower IQ.

(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1aa0982fff39796b99549138a8fc3143)

Blacks aren't alone in the stupid department plenty of whites. It's roughly 50 50.



So in a rational world this would be taken into account, and you could better help the blacks, isn't this the goal? Why exactly is Jared a fraud? Some from the right feel he is a fraud because he refuses to touch the Jewish question. But I think that is a bit unfair, Jared just has decided not to go there, probably thinks it would harm his main goals. It's his decision to make, what fights he wants to take.
Taylor isn't interested in helping low iq people, he has some weird obsession with a white state.





I have to ask, are you Jewish?
No
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Fortress on March 29, 2024, 12:13:56 PM
It’s impossible to be of a sane and rational mind and also be a Liberal or Left-leaning person.

Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 29, 2024, 07:03:04 PM
I know we have more information available than any period of human history. I think that information can be altered/interpreted to fulfill any viewpoint.

The political system is broken and there are people on both sides that think the opposition is evil (I am in this camp as well). I think the reality is that politic’s are theater and real agendas are pushed by what’s best for billionaire/corporate interests (which has always been Americas history).

Yes and the fact that so many people believe in conspiracy theories points to a bigger problem in society.

Quote from: Goliathon

They're not super smart they lack stupid people.

What are you saying here exactly (about asians)?

I don't think wanting a predominantly white society is in any way weird. Wanting a brownish population, where "pure" whites have been bred out like many liberals say, is weird and destructive. There are many many rational reasons for wanting a predominantly white population.

Many republicans/conservatives say they aren't concerned with "browning," all they're concerned about is political affiliation, like someone like Shapiro says (and some on getbig would say, perhaps because the might have "brown" admixture. (but of course brown immigrants vote overwhelmnigly democrat). Well of course Jews don't care about browning, in all white societies they want this browning, like they want Muslims. What it boils down to is they don't feel safe in white societies (perhaps for good reasons). If a society turns against Mulims they might turn against Jews as well, and that is possible.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: chaos on March 29, 2024, 07:09:03 PM
Libturdz are loaded w/ mental health issues... Gee, really???  ::)
Who would have thought conservative men would be the most normal. :D
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 29, 2024, 07:25:35 PM
Who would have thought conservative men would be the most normal. :D

What do you think of the idea that liberals/"smart" people/more educated people are more likely to seek mental health services? I think it could be true in many cases, though mental health issues are also correlated with retardedness/low IQ ;D
I'm not necessarily saying seeking treatment is good, just that it might skew results of studies. Or that mental health issues might often be correlated with intelligence, or even genius? You could argue that seeking treatment leads to nothing good, and most everyone seeking treatment leaves with a "diagnosis" of a mental health issue, even "normal" ones. And often with an Rx for drugs. I think it's fairlt rare that a doctor won't write you an Rx for antidepressants if feeling down, but everyone feels down at some point in life, it's normal, and I think everyone meets the definition of clinical depression at least once throughout their lifetimes.

I've said that I'm on antidepressants for severe anxiety/panic disorder and depression. For me I feel that they may have saved my life at one point. Of course you could argue that people like this should not be saved, that nature should weed out these people, for evolutionary fitness reasons. ;D You could also argue for the opposite. One Serbian told me if you complained of mental health issues in his country you would be beaten for good reason  ;D This guy later tried tried to kill himself with insulin. He was accused of a having shot his gf dead. Said he didn't do it and was never tried but cops accused him of it.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 29, 2024, 07:56:38 PM
Trump now sells bibles. I very much doubt he's actually ever read the bible, like most Christians, he said more people should read the bible :D It's said he doesn't read much, mostly watches TV, again like most people, and perhaps reads some newspapers. Mind you this might be good advice regardless, depending on your viewpoint, many agnostics or even atheists argue Christianity has a stabilising effect on society and implants mostly good moral values, noncriminaility. It's a bit problematic though, like is believing in fiction/sky wizards/falsehood ever actually good?
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: dj181 on March 29, 2024, 08:00:05 PM
Trump now sells bibles. I very much doubt he's actually ever read the bible, like most Christians, he said more people should read the bible :D It's said he doesn't read much, mostly watches TV, again like most people, and perhaps reads some newspapers. Mind you this might be good advice regardless, depending on your viewpoint, many agnostics or even atheists argue Christianity has a stabilising effect on society and implants mostly good moral values, noncriminaility. It's a bit problematic though, like is believing in fiction/sky wizards/falsehood ever actually good?

maybe 10% of christians are truly christians if that

one scando theologin said Christ will save all

i hope to hell he's right
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: mphgrove on March 29, 2024, 08:01:33 PM
When you refer to education levels are you implying that those with more education tend to be more left leaning?

This has shifted over time and I think it is somewhat ridiculous to say liberals are smarter or conservatives are smarter. What I think is being talked about here is education levels, not native IQ which is probably always fairly equally distributed (although very poor people might somewhat have lower IQ - possibly).

When I was young, better educated people tended to be wealthier and more conservative (business, country clubs, churchgoers, etc.). The working class tended to be more economically liberal (unions, distrust of big business, minimum wage, etc.), although generally fairly conservative on the social side.

Now that I am old, the better educated people seem more on the liberal side in most but not all parts of the US (more “woke”, minority rights, tolerant of alternative lifestyles, focus on health care, etc.). And the working class (whites anyway), less “woke”, less tolerant, focused on crime issues, more socially conservative.

Don’t think there is a right or wrong about it. It has shifted and evolved that way for lots of reasons. I am quite liberal and my best friend is very conservative. We “argue” all the time, but my sense is that we are pretty comparable intelligence wise. He might disagree.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: mphgrove on March 29, 2024, 08:08:36 PM
Trump now sells bibles. I very much doubt he's actually ever read the bible, like most Christians, he said more people should read the bible :D It's said he doesn't read much, mostly watches TV, again like most people, and perhaps reads some newspapers. Mind you this might be good advice regardless, depending on your viewpoint, many agnostics or even atheists argue Christianity has a stabilising effect on society and implants mostly good moral values, noncriminaility. It's a bit problematic though, like is believing in fiction/sky wizards/falsehood ever actually good?

The whole Trump with the bibles thing makes me want to puke.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: dj181 on March 29, 2024, 08:08:55 PM
Trump now sells bibles. I very much doubt he's actually ever read the bible, like most Christians, he said more people should read the bible :D It's said he doesn't read much, mostly watches TV, again like most people, and perhaps reads some newspapers. Mind you this might be good advice regardless, depending on your viewpoint, many agnostics or even atheists argue Christianity has a stabilising effect on society and implants mostly good moral values, noncriminaility. It's a bit problematic though, like is believing in fiction/sky wizards/falsehood ever actually good?

btw bro,

does it help to dissolve my orals under the tounge and wash them down with grapefruit juice?

vigorous steve says it's makes them more potent and bioavailable

and how long should i take them before training?

i just started 50 mgs drol stacked with 20 mgs var

thanks brother
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 29, 2024, 08:33:21 PM
btw bro,

does it help to dissolve my orals under the tounge and wash them down with grapefruit juice?

vigorous steve says it's makes them more potent and bioavailable

and how long should i take them before training?

i just started 50 mgs drol stacked with 20 mgs var

thanks brother

I told you in a PM that dissolving them under the tongue doesn't make much sense. The issue is that only a tiny fraction theoreticallty makes it through the tissues there, something about the lipophilicity of oral AAS (fat dissolving) and maybe the molecular weight ("lighter" compound are more readily absorbed there, also true of transdermals). It wouldn't hurt though unless you spit it out after the possible absorption through the mucous membranes, the rest just gets absobed like any orals would. Usually hard to absorb drugs need to be complexed with a carrier like cyclodextrin to make it through the mucous membranes. Even plain testosterone can be effective through cyclodextrin with mucosal, sublingual or intranasal admin.

Grapefruit does make sense for orals. Has to do with affecting liver and stomach metabolism through a certain enzyme. Mind you, orals already have very high bioavailability, like 98% if memory serves. You'll find many drugs have a warning about grapefruit juice so it's a real thing, can cause dangerously high levels of some drugs. Many druggies use grapefruit juice to increase levels, like benzos, you get more of drug, or same levels with less drug.

Take you Dianabol doses with 250ml (2.5dL) of grapefruit juice.

https://www.ergo-log.com/grapefruit.html

Make sure it's grapefruit juice and not grape juice  ;D Grape juice is great with insulin, about 10 or more glucose (dextrose) in a dL.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: dj181 on March 29, 2024, 08:42:48 PM
I told you in a PM that dissolving them under the tongue doesn't make much sense. The issue is that only a tiny fraction theoreticallty makes it through the tissues there, something about the lipophilicity of oral AAS (fat dissolving) and maybe the molecular weight ("lighter" compound are more readily absorbed there, also true of transdermals). It wouldn't hurt though unless you spit it out after the possible absorption through the mucous membranes, the rest just gets absobed like any orals would. Usually hard to absorb drugs need to be complexed with a carrier like cyclodextrin to make it through the mucous membranes.

Grapefruit does make sense for orals. Has to do with affecting liver and stomach metabolism through a certain enzyme. Mind you, orals already have very high bioavailability, like 98% if memory serves. You'll find many drugs have a warning about grapefruit juice so it's a real thing, can cause dangerously high levels of some drugs. Many druggies use grapefruit juice to increase levels, like benzos, you get more of drug, or same levels with less drug.

Take you Dianabol doses with 250ml (2.5dL) of grapefruit juice.

https://www.ergo-log.com/grapefruit.html

Make sure it's grapefruit juice and not grape juice  ;D Grape juice is great with insulin, about 10 or more glucose (dextrose) in a dL.

thanks bro

i've never stacked drol with var

should be interesting
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 29, 2024, 09:07:55 PM
thanks bro

i've never stacked drol with var

should be interesting

I'll be interested in results from the Anadrol, just don't expect large bw gains if at maintenance or sub-maintenance calories.

Cyclodextrin complexed "orals" with high psychogenic effects, like methyltren or Halo as nasal sprays or buccals might be interesting as preworkout aides. If you have access to powder orals and cyclodextrin powders. I'm unsure if you can "complex" these two things at home, haven't researched it, though I remember someone describing a home-use method. I would do it if I had easier access to powder pure steroids. There might be easy access, just haven't looked up suppliers in the EU, ordering powders from China can be high risk of seizure and legal problems. This is just theoretical info for most, although US citizens have easy acces through domestic suppliers so it could be done if they wanted to. It's intesting to me at least ;D
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: dj181 on March 29, 2024, 09:14:01 PM
Cyclodextrin complexed "orals" with high psychogenic effects, like methyltren or Halo as nasal sprays or buccals might be interesting as preworkout aides. If you have access to powder orals and cyclodextrin powders. I'm unsure if you can "complex" these two things at home, haven't researched it, though I remember someone describing a home-use method. I would do it if I had easier access to powder pure steroids. There might be easy access, just haven't looked up suppliers in the EU, ordering powders from China can be high risk of seizure and legal problems. This is just theoretical info for most, although US citizens have easy acces through domestic suppliers so it could be done if they wanted to. It's intesting to me at least ;D

the only orals i never used are halo and tbol

i do not think it would be a good idea for me to try halo

i'm not joking when i say i'd probably go to prison for assult so not worth the risk :D :D :D

i told my friend i could try 10 mgs and if i get very aggressive just give it back to my supplier

but if 10 was ok try 20 and then 30 MAX for only 2-3 weeks too

but just not worth the risk

i'm curious how fast and strong i will get

i will run out of var in 4 weeks then i will increase the drol to 75 mgs i have 25 mg pills
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: BEEFCAKE on March 29, 2024, 09:39:28 PM
the only orals i never used are halo and tbol

i do not think it would be a good idea for me to try halo

i'm not joking when i say i'd probably go to prison for assult so not worth the risk :D :D :D

i told my friend i could try 10 mgs and if i get very aggressive just give it back to my supplier

but if 10 was ok try 20 and then 30 MAX for only 2-3 weeks too

but just not worth the risk

i'm curious how fast and strong i will get

i will run out of var in 4 weeks then i will increase the drol to 75 mgs i have 25 mg pills

hopefully you kill your self
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: chaos on March 30, 2024, 09:27:00 AM
What do you think of the idea that liberals/"smart" people/more educated people are more likely to seek mental health services? I think it could be true in many cases, though mental health issues are also correlated with retardedness/low IQ ;D
I'm not necessarily saying seeking treatment is good, just that it might skew results of studies. Or that mental health issues might often be correlated with intelligence, or even genius? You could argue that seeking treatment leads to nothing good, and most everyone seeking treatment leaves with a "diagnosis" of a mental health issue, even "normal" ones. And often with an Rx for drugs. I think it's fairlt rare that a doctor won't write you an Rx for antidepressants if feeling down, but everyone feels down at some point in life, it's normal, and I think everyone meets the definition of clinical depression at least once throughout their lifetimes.

I've said that I'm on antidepressants for severe anxiety/panic disorder and depression. For me I feel that they may have saved my life at one point. Of course you could argue that people like this should not be saved, that nature should weed out these people, for evolutionary fitness reasons. ;D You could also argue for the opposite. One Serbian told me if you complained of mental health issues in his country you would be beaten for good reason  ;D This guy later tried tried to kill himself with insulin. He was accused of a having shot his gf dead. Said he didn't do it and was never tried but cops accused him of it.
I think mental health care is important, however I think our society has turned it into a necessity. Meaning that not everyone needs to seek out help for dealing with their issues. Many people do need that help, whether it's talking to a therapist or taking medication to help stabilize. I think social media has played a massive part in increasing the unstable and anxious society we see.

I'm sure someone could post the studies showing the correlation of mental health issues and the increased use of social media starting at younger ages. There is also a difference in the effect that social media has on boys and girls. 
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: joswift on March 30, 2024, 09:29:41 AM
I think mental health care is important, however I think our society has turned it into a necessity. Meaning that not everyone needs to seek out help for dealing with their issues. Many people do need that help, whether it's talking to a therapist or taking medication to help stabilize. I think social media has played a massive part in increasing the unstable and anxious society we see.

I'm sure someone could post the studies showing the correlation of mental health issues and the increased use of social media starting at younger ages. There is also a difference in the effect that social media has on boys and girls.

I was offered cognitive behavioural therapy for my ongoing depression bouts
She gave me a sheet to complete before I go back next week with my goals and objectives
I have depression, I dont have any fucking goals or objectives.
I phoned her and cancelled, best to just bury shit and get on with it.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Wiggs on March 30, 2024, 10:11:48 AM
The other 50% haven't been diagnosed yet....ba-dump bump.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: dj181 on March 30, 2024, 10:17:24 AM
I think mental health care is important, however I think our society has turned it into a necessity. Meaning that not everyone needs to seek out help for dealing with their issues. Many people do need that help, whether it's talking to a therapist or taking medication to help stabilize. I think social media has played a massive part in increasing the unstable and anxious society we see.

I'm sure someone could post the studies showing the correlation of mental health issues and the increased use of social media starting at younger ages. There is also a difference in the effect that social media has on boys and girls.

social media is used by the elite to brainwash others to think and believe as they want us to believe

fuck dat goddamn horseshit

everyone should be given the freedom to think and feel and believe as they wish

freedom of thought and belief my fucking ass

would love to torture and main these fucking shitstains who impose upon my freedoms
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: chaos on March 30, 2024, 10:21:38 AM
I was offered cognitive behavioural therapy for my ongoing depression bouts
She gave me a sheet to complete before I go back next week with my goals and objectives
I have depression, I dont have any fucking goals or objectives.
I phoned her and cancelled, best to just bury shit and get on with it.
As most of us men have been conditioned to do.

The other 50% haven't been diagnosed yet....ba-dump bump.
Wait until they start breaking down the mental weakness of the religious people. :D
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: BigRo on March 30, 2024, 10:26:01 AM
I was offered cognitive behavioural therapy for my ongoing depression bouts
She gave me a sheet to complete before I go back next week with my goals and objectives
I have depression, I dont have any fucking goals or objectives.
I phoned her and cancelled, best to just bury shit and get on with it.

Your not supposed to have goals and objectives at your age, sit back and relax  :D
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: joswift on March 30, 2024, 02:46:02 PM
social media is used by the elite to brainwash others to think and believe as they want us to believe

fuck dat goddamn horseshit

everyone should be given the freedom to think and feel and believe as they wish

freedom of thought and belief my fucking ass

would love to torture and main these fucking shitstains who impose upon my freedoms
I think you are a kunt
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: mphgrove on March 30, 2024, 02:55:42 PM
I was offered cognitive behavioural therapy for my ongoing depression bouts
She gave me a sheet to complete before I go back next week with my goals and objectives
I have depression, I dont have any fucking goals or objectives.
I phoned her and cancelled, best to just bury shit and get on with it.

Agreed the “worksheet” is stupid. That would have better as an open ended question. But keep looking for the right person, even if it means kicking the right tires and waiting a while. The just tough it out theory does not have a great track record.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: joswift on March 30, 2024, 03:02:49 PM
Agreed the “worksheet” is stupid. That would have better as an open ended question. But keep looking for the right person, even if it means kicking the right tires and waiting a while. The just tough it out theory does not have a great track record.
Im at a time in my life where I couldnt give a fuck about anything
When Im asked how I feel it doesnt compute

I dont "feel" anything, I just "think" things.
I dont look forward to anything and Im not disappointed about anything.
Life is just one day after another...
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: pamith on March 30, 2024, 03:10:51 PM
Libturdism is an indication of mental illness.
This, srs
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: mphgrove on March 30, 2024, 03:16:59 PM
Im at a time in my life where I couldnt give a fuck about anything
When Im asked how I feel it doesnt compute

I dont "feel" anything, I just "think" things.
I dont look forward to anything and Im not disappointed about anything.
Life is just one day after another...

You do, however, get riled up over some of the dudes who rub you wrong on this Board. And I bet you still have emotion positive or negative upon your contest results. Plus “thinking” can be rewarding. Trying to look at the positive side here, and a professional might help.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: joswift on March 30, 2024, 03:27:46 PM
You do, however, get riled up over some of the dudes who rub you wrong on this Board. And I bet you still have emotion positive or negative upon your contest results. Plus “thinking” can be rewarding. Trying to look at the positive side here, and a professional might help.

Nothing at all, win or lose it didnt make any difference to me, my wife even said to me "why are you doing it?"

I do get annoyed about trivial things, big things on the other hand just are not on my radar

Im getting an IPod player for the gym because two personal trainers are getting on my fucking nerves one says "yeah, yeah, yeah" all the time when hes talking to his clients and the other one just keeps saying "Thats brilliant, you're doing really well"
Oh and neither of them have a fucking clue, they give everyone the same workout and spend more time chatting than training.
Why would anyone pay a PT £50 an hour to just chat, no one ever has a decent workout
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: mphgrove on March 30, 2024, 04:52:24 PM
Petty anger management issues (I suffer from this too, I get angry at the people getting angry, speeding, honking horns, etc) are a disease of the time. They ARE emotion, bubble, bubble, bubble. Recognize them and breathe. The headphones are the same as the “I have no emotion” statement above. The “I have no emotion” statement is bullshit (my opinion).
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: IroNat on March 30, 2024, 04:58:15 PM
Im at a time in my life where I couldnt give a fuck about anything
When Im asked how I feel it doesnt compute

I dont "feel" anything, I just "think" things.
I dont look forward to anything and Im not disappointed about anything.
Life is just one day after another...

This is called being an adult.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: IroNat on March 30, 2024, 05:01:29 PM
Nothing at all, win or lose it didnt make any difference to me, my wife even said to me "why are you doing it?"

I do get annoyed about trivial things, big things on the other hand just are not on my radar

Im getting an IPod player for the gym because two personal trainers are getting on my fucking nerves one says "yeah, yeah, yeah" all the time when hes talking to his clients and the other one just keeps saying "Thats brilliant, you're doing really well"
Oh and neither of them have a fucking clue, they give everyone the same workout and spend more time chatting than training.
Why would anyone pay a PT £50 an hour to just chat, no one ever has a decent workout

People are lonely and the PT is like a friend to them (a paid friend).
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: joswift on March 30, 2024, 05:09:29 PM
Petty anger management issues (I suffer from this too, I get angry at the people getting angry, speeding, honking horns, etc) are a disease of the time. They ARE emotion, bubble, bubble, bubble. Recognize them and breathe. The headphones are the same as the “I have no emotion” statement above. The “I have no emotion” statement is bullshit (my opinion).
Its the main reason I stopped the anti-depressants, I was just going through life flatlining, no ups or downs, just nothing.
I thought that its better to have ups and downs than nothing at all, I stopped the meds 3rd November last year.
Im still non-plussed about anything
If someone tells me someone I know has died (happens a lot more as you get older) I just look at them and after a few seconds my brain tells me Im supposed to look shocked and upset so I play the game, in reality I couldnt give a single fuck.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Fortress on March 30, 2024, 05:11:00 PM
Your not supposed to have goals and objectives at your age, sit back and relax  :D

Your and you’re (you are)

Look into it.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: mphgrove on March 30, 2024, 06:00:09 PM
Its the main reason I stopped the anti-depressants, I was just going through life flatlining, no ups or downs, just nothing.
I thought that its better to have ups and downs than nothing at all, I stopped the meds 3rd November last year.
Im still non-plussed about anything
If someone tells me someone I know has died (happens a lot more as you get older) I just look at them and after a few seconds my brain tells me Im supposed to look shocked and upset so I play the game, in reality I couldnt give a single fuck.

Only on anti-depressants once for about a year here after my father died. Wanted off, I understand that. Encourage the emotions up, examine the petty flare-ups and confront them. I was getting huge petty anger over everybody making me do EVERYTHING on my mobile phone and I was acting out and letting the anger out. I started to look at my reactions head-on and finally sort of realized I was angry about other things probably.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Taffin on March 30, 2024, 06:14:22 PM
does it help to dissolve my orals under the tounge and wash them down with grapefruit juice?


I told you in a PM that dissolving them under the tongue doesn't make much sense. The issue is that only a tiny fraction theoreticallty makes it through the tissues there, something about the lipophilicity of oral AAS (fat dissolving) and maybe the molecular weight ("lighter" compound are more readily absorbed there, also true of transdermals). It wouldn't hurt though unless you spit it out after the possible absorption through the mucous membranes, the rest just gets absobed like any orals would. Usually hard to absorb drugs need to be complexed with a carrier like cyclodextrin to make it through the mucous membranes. Even plain testosterone can be effective through cyclodextrin with mucosal, sublingual or intranasal admin.

How about intra-anal admin?  Asking for a friend... (...with the initials D and J)
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Taffin on March 30, 2024, 06:19:17 PM
Im at a time in my life where I couldnt give a fuck about anything

When Im asked how I feel it doesnt compute

I dont "feel" anything, I just "think" things.

I dont look forward to anything and Im not disappointed about anything.

Life is just one day after another...

Nothing at all, win or lose it didnt make any difference to me, my wife even said to me "why are you doing it?"

I do get annoyed about trivial things, big things on the other hand just are not on my radar

Its the main reason I stopped the anti-depressants, I was just going through life flatlining, no ups or downs, just nothing.

Im still non-plussed about anything

If someone tells me someone I know has died (happens a lot more as you get older) I just look at them and after a few seconds my brain tells me Im supposed to look shocked and upset so I play the game, in reality I couldnt give a single fuck.

I'm 100% genuinely not taking the piss mate when I ask if you've ever done one of these?

https://psychcentral.com/quizzes/autism-test#take-the-quiz (https://psychcentral.com/quizzes/autism-test#take-the-quiz)
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Dave D on March 30, 2024, 06:27:07 PM
Trump now sells bibles. I very much doubt he's actually ever read the bible, like most Christians, he said more people should read the bible :D It's said he doesn't read much, mostly watches TV, again like most people, and perhaps reads some newspapers. Mind you this might be good advice regardless, depending on your viewpoint, many agnostics or even atheists argue Christianity has a stabilising effect on society and implants mostly good moral values, noncriminaility. It's a bit problematic though, like is believing in fiction/sky wizards/falsehood ever actually good?

Plenty of people believe in the American democracy even that’s a faslehood.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 30, 2024, 08:08:02 PM
the only orals i never used are halo and tbol

i do not think it would be a good idea for me to try halo

i'm not joking when i say i'd probably go to prison for assult so not worth the risk :D :D :D

i told my friend i could try 10 mgs and if i get very aggressive just give it back to my supplier

but if 10 was ok try 20 and then 30 MAX for only 2-3 weeks too

but just not worth the risk

i'm curious how fast and strong i will get

i will run out of var in 4 weeks then i will increase the drol to 75 mgs i have 25 mg pills

I've tried maybe 5 or 8 different brands of Halo and never noticed anything. I just ordered another brand hoping to see something, I want to feel that famed blind rage to maybe channel it to something positive like lifting  :D it's expensive so faked a lot, at least in the past
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Van_Bilderass on March 30, 2024, 08:14:12 PM
Plenty of people believe in the American democracy even that’s a faslehood.

You can't even say what democracy is exactly, some say the US is an oligarchy. The politicians rarely do what the people want, just what the rich want. Then some say it's not a democracy, it's a republic or something else, and even Trump talks about US democracy.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Wiggs on March 31, 2024, 05:50:51 AM
As most of us men have been conditioned to do.
Wait until they start breaking down the mental weakness of the religious people. :D

Old news. Been happening.  Atheists can't be trusted.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: joswift on March 31, 2024, 08:15:07 AM
I'm 100% genuinely not taking the piss mate when I ask if you've ever done one of these?

https://psychcentral.com/quizzes/autism-test#take-the-quiz (https://psychcentral.com/quizzes/autism-test#take-the-quiz)

done
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Your Total Score: 15 out of 40

Results of your Autism Screening Quiz

Scoring in this range means it may be a good idea to monitor your symptoms and keep track of the severity of these behaviors and when they are present. Further evaluation is typically recommended when these behaviors begin to interfere with your ability to navigate life, school, and relationships. If you’re concerned or want more information, consider scheduling an evaluation with a qualified healthcare or mental health professional for further assessment and potential treatment options.

some of the questions are not relevant even though I had to select an answer.
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Never1AShow on March 31, 2024, 08:41:35 AM
The more intelligent a person is the more likely to have mental illness.
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Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Never1AShow on March 31, 2024, 08:52:58 AM
Trump is extremely well read on current news and events. It’s obvious from his comments and rallies (not the cherry picked MSM and Tech censorship garbage). Maybe listen to a primary source
Title: Re: Who would have thought??
Post by: Taffin on March 31, 2024, 09:25:16 AM
done

some of the questions are not relevant even though I had to select an answer.

Yeah they're a very blunt tool - the real diagnostics run to pages.  And I'm not too convinced that one word fits all people with a loosely linked set of preferences/behaviours.  I just think that some people (not you specifically) benefit from realising that the way they see things is the right way for them  and ignore what messages society forces down our throats

A lot of us would have been called 'loners' back in the day - and there's nothing wrong with that - most people are dicks! ;D