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Title: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Radical Plato on April 03, 2014, 06:04:39 AM
If so, Why?
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 03, 2014, 06:07:59 AM
I imagine something like this once per 1-2 months...  :-\

(http://www.kennislink.nl/system/files/000/076/821/large/kh1234567890_turtle_schildpad_sex.jpg?1287591230)
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: snx on April 03, 2014, 06:34:35 AM
I imagine something like this once per 1-2 months...  :-\

(http://www.kennislink.nl/system/files/000/076/821/large/kh1234567890_turtle_schildpad_sex.jpg?1287591230)

'bout sums it up. Give or take...
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 03, 2014, 06:51:44 AM
If so, Why?

Because it's still fun?
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _aj_ on April 03, 2014, 07:03:14 AM
I am at 14 years and accelerating. At this rate, by year 20, I will having sex 8 times a day... :-X
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 03, 2014, 07:09:55 AM
Of course they do !....




































































....Not with each other though.



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on April 03, 2014, 07:13:25 AM
If anyone married this long tells you they have sex more than once a month, they are probably lying.

Biology dictates that men are suppose to have sex with as many females as possible in their lifetime.  

Women always say that the man is "cheating" if he has sex with another woman.  The only thing he is truly cheating is his natural biological directive which is to have sex with as many females as possible.  "Cheating" is a term a woman invented.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Simple Simon on April 03, 2014, 07:20:20 AM
If anyone married this long tells you they have sex more than once a month, they are probably lying.

Biology dictates that men are suppose to have sex with as many females as possible in their lifetime.  

Women always say that the man is "cheating" if he has sex with another woman.  The only thing he is truly cheating is his natural biological directive which is to have sex with as many females as possible.  "Cheating" is a term a woman invented.

I think you will find true adonis invented that term and renamed it the adonis principles.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Pet shop boys on April 03, 2014, 07:23:59 AM
If anyone married this long tells you they have sex more than once a month, they are probably lying.

Biology dictates that men are suppose to have sex with as many females as possible in their lifetime.  

Women always say that the man is "cheating" if he has sex with another woman.  The only thing he is truly cheating is his natural biological directive which is to have sex with as many females as possible.  "Cheating" is a term a woman invented.



Based on your logic,

If I want to have a steak I have to go out and kill a cow ...

If I go to a restaurant and order an already cooked steak, Ill be cheating to my natural biological instincts.



WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: snx on April 03, 2014, 07:43:48 AM
I am at 14 years and accelerating. At this rate, by year 20, I will having sex 8 times a day... :-X

Your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Please, tell me more.




Ok, all kidding aside, tell me more for christ's sake.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: littledumbells on April 03, 2014, 07:49:52 AM
If so, Why?

  No. The women raise pit bulls and the guys go to the shooting range daily. No need for sex
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _aj_ on April 03, 2014, 07:52:43 AM
Ok, all kidding aside, tell me more for christ's sake.

Well, it helps that my wife is a fitness professional and her body is her billboard. She's very dedicated and has improved physique-wise every year since I have known her.

And I (try) to take good care of myself and clean up well.

In short, we are both carnal beings that lust after each other physically and at times go at it savagely while the boy is on the xbox. We aren't perfectly matched in that I want sex daily, and she really likes it 4-5x/week.

We also love each other and there is nobody else I would want in a foxhole with me. Of course, I would be railing the shit out of her in the foxhole and we would be overrun, but that is another story.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: phreak on April 03, 2014, 07:54:10 AM
We also love each other and there is nobody else I would want in a foxhole with me. Of course, I would be railing the shit out of her in the foxhole and we would be overrun, but that is another story.
Death by meaty bayonet. What a way to go. ;D
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: CalvinH on April 03, 2014, 07:57:31 AM
I am at 14 years and accelerating. At this rate, by year 20, I will having sex 8 times a day... :-X



That's the test kicking in ;D
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on April 03, 2014, 07:57:58 AM


Based on your logic,

If I want to have a steak I have to go out and kill a cow ...

If I go to a restaurant and order an already cooked steak, Ill be cheating to my natural biological instincts.



Not my logic... it's not even logic at all... it's simple biology.

I'm sorry if your woman only allows you to have sex with her an no one else.  You are a manjina... deal with it.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _aj_ on April 03, 2014, 07:59:31 AM


That's the test kicking in ;D

My brother, that is helping A LOT.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: snx on April 03, 2014, 09:14:07 AM
Well, it helps that my wife is a fitness professional and her body is her billboard. She's very dedicated and has improved physique-wise every year since I have known her.

And I (try) to take good care of myself and clean up well.

In short, we are both carnal beings that lust after each other physically and at times go at it savagely while the boy is on the xbox. We aren't perfectly matched in that I want sex daily, and she really likes it 4-5x/week.

We also love each other and there is nobody else I would want in a foxhole with me. Of course, I would be railing the shit out of her in the foxhole and we would be overrun, but that is another story.

Here's my issue then, if I try to draw parallels to yours.

My wife is decidely not a fitness professional. She doesn't even like working out. Thankfully, she's maintained a very slim physique just due to genetics. Which of course I appreciate.

But, as my body fluctuates, she becomes more or less conflicted. When I'm puffy and heavy, she doesn't find me overly attractive. Yet, the prospect of intimacy is met with more favorably, shall we say.

When I'm below 10% BF, give or take, she finds me more attractive, but is more hesistant towards intimacy (in her words, she feels more self-conscious around me). This outweighs the attraction she feels to the abs, which she likes.

Perhaps if she were like your wife, and grew to own her own body, she may change her lens on her body. I certainly tell her how hot I think she is daily. I don't think she believes me though.

So I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. And it's not like when I'm full on 15+ BF that I get it 4-5x/week. It's still 2-3x/month, at best. When I'm lean, that drops to 1-2x/month. The rub is that the extra supplementation I use does not help.

It is what it is. I love her and she's my best friend. I'd like to do her a lot more than I am now, is about my only gripe in our relationship; otherwise, we are perfectly compatible personality wise. We've talked about it a lot and I've tried being nice, being accommodating, all that fun stuff. Doing more chores around the house; doing the cooking; giving more massages; doing more of the stuff she likes in bed instead of what I like. Hasn't paid off. It's more like this is now the new bar I've set and it's the new "maintenance level" of attention I have to pay to her to get what I used to get when I was lazier about things. 

I have zero doubts about her faithfulness. I know you guys love to say that's what's going on. Not in this case. Because it's been like this for well over 15 years together...always the same consistency so it's not like things have gone up or down.

She just doesn't have that gear in her. As she approaches menopause in the next decade, this is not going to get any better.

I guess I just take what I can get and learn to live with it. It's not like I'm waking up this year surprised by it all. It's always been this way, and I suppose I can be blamed for settling on this front instead of finding a great woman who also has the same drive I do.

I can't afford a divorce just for the prospect of more intimacy with another partner. That's financially irresponsible. And I wouldn't humiliate a good friend like that. I'm too loyal to good friends, for better or worse.

Wow. I'm a beta with women. This post proves it.

Oh well, I'll go make some money or lift a shit ton of weight and go try and feel alpha somewhere else! LOL! And if not, there's a six pack of beer in the garage fridge that helps me convince myself I'm alpha anyways! LOL!
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Papper on April 03, 2014, 09:21:55 AM
They do.. But it is not often.. And it is.. Most probably not.. As good as it was the first couple of times they had sex..

Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _aj_ on April 03, 2014, 09:32:18 AM
Here's my issue then, if I try to draw parallels to yours.

My wife is decidely not a fitness professional. She doesn't even like working out. Thankfully, she's maintained a very slim physique just due to genetics. Which of course I appreciate.

But, as my body fluctuates, she becomes more or less conflicted. When I'm puffy and heavy, she doesn't find me overly attractive. Yet, the prospect of intimacy is met with more favorably, shall we say.

When I'm below 10% BF, give or take, she finds me more attractive, but is more hesistant towards intimacy (in her words, she feels more self-conscious around me). This outweighs the attraction she feels to the abs, which she likes.

Perhaps if she were like your wife, and grew to own her own body, she may change her lens on her body. I certainly tell her how hot I think she is daily. I don't think she believes me though.

So I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. And it's not like when I'm full on 15+ BF that I get it 4-5x/week. It's still 2-3x/month, at best. When I'm lean, that drops to 1-2x/month. The rub is that the extra supplementation I use does not help.

It is what it is. I love her and she's my best friend. I'd like to do her a lot more than I am now, is about my only gripe in our relationship; otherwise, we are perfectly compatible personality wise. We've talked about it a lot and I've tried being nice, being accommodating, all that fun stuff. Doing more chores around the house; doing the cooking; giving more massages; doing more of the stuff she likes in bed instead of what I like. Hasn't paid off. It's more like this is now the new bar I've set and it's the new "maintenance level" of attention I have to pay to her to get what I used to get when I was lazier about things.  

I have zero doubts about her faithfulness. I know you guys love to say that's what's going on. Not in this case. Because it's been like this for well over 15 years together...always the same consistency so it's not like things have gone up or down.

She just doesn't have that gear in her. As she approaches menopause in the next decade, this is not going to get any better.

I guess I just take what I can get and learn to live with it. It's not like I'm waking up this year surprised by it all. It's always been this way, and I suppose I can be blamed for settling on this front instead of finding a great woman who also has the same drive I do.

I can't afford a divorce just for the prospect of more intimacy with another partner. That's financially irresponsible. And I wouldn't humiliate a good friend like that. I'm too loyal to good friends, for better or worse.

Wow. I'm a beta with women. This post proves it.

Oh well, I'll go make some money or lift a shit ton of weight and go try and feel alpha somewhere else! LOL! And if not, there's a six pack of beer in the garage fridge that helps me convince myself I'm alpha anyways! LOL!

So I get this. As my wife has intimated in the past that she might feel self-conscious around me if I get "too good looking". But I called her on this when it seemed to be happening and she snapped herself out of it. She bluntly stated that she wants to be "the good looking one" in the relationship. That appears to be a woman thing. I am EXTREMELY appreciative of her physical assets and never miss an opportunity to talk to her about it. We laugh sometimes about how "difficult" her life is with her husband pawing at her 12 hours a day and gushing over her body.

Mostly, its about communication and making sure that you are heard. I do think that sometimes my wife (who is also approaching menopause age) does it more for me than for her.

Now that I have decided to go the "enhanced" route, it'll be interesting to see how this falls out. On one side, I am going to be enhancing the very things that she finds very attractive. On the other, as you say, there may be self-consciousness that'll settle in.

To split with somebody because they find you so attractive that they have trouble with their own self-image seems retarded, unless it becomes a real psychological disability.

Anyway, we should compare notes as we are not so far off from each other.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: BigRo on April 03, 2014, 09:44:41 AM
 I cannot tolerate a woman who needs to be the 'good looking one' in a partnership.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: DroppingPlates on April 03, 2014, 09:47:27 AM
I cannot tolerate a woman who needs to be the 'good looking one' in a partnership.

No worries friend, most women can't grow a beard.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _aj_ on April 03, 2014, 09:48:09 AM
I cannot tolerate a woman who needs to be the 'good looking one' in a partnership.

I could see where that would be a problem, you delicious hunk of man-meat (no homo).
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: BigRo on April 03, 2014, 09:49:20 AM
hahahaha  :D
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: the trainer on April 03, 2014, 10:25:30 AM
I want to marry 7 woman one for each day of the week I might have to go to muslim to do this legally.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: snx on April 03, 2014, 10:29:25 AM
So I get this. As my wife has intimated in the past that she might feel self-conscious around me if I get "too good looking". But I called her on this when it seemed to be happening and she snapped herself out of it. She bluntly stated that she wants to be "the good looking one" in the relationship. That appears to be a woman thing. I am EXTREMELY appreciative of her physical assets and never miss an opportunity to talk to her about it. We laugh sometimes about how "difficult" her life is with her husband pawing at her 12 hours a day and gushing over her body.

Mostly, its about communication and making sure that you are heard. I do think that sometimes my wife (who is also approaching menopause age) does it more for me than for her.

Now that I have decided to go the "enhanced" route, it'll be interesting to see how this falls out. On one side, I am going to be enhancing the very things that she finds very attractive. On the other, as you say, there may be self-consciousness that'll settle in.

To split with somebody because they find you so attractive that they have trouble with their own self-image seems retarded, unless it becomes a real psychological disability.

Anyway, we should compare notes as we are not so far off from each other.

Seems like we do have a lot in common.

I have also found that my wife and I handle stress differently.

When I'm stressed, I seek physical contact to reassure me.

When she's stressed, she likes to talk.

Recently, being promoted at work has caused her some new stress in life. And I'm sure she feels the stress all women do; over-burdening themselves with aspirations to be the perfect mom and career professional, while still feeling and looking young and beautiful and desirable. I try to help fulfill the last part of that statement, but only her job can make her feel successful at work, and if it doesn't, I bear that brunt. The kids are relentless...god help us both with that burden.

So we're doing a lot of talking these days. And I'm putting a lot into trying to relieve stress at home so it's easier for her to cope.

I try to make her feel desired. After all, as someone smarter than me said, "only men need to feel loved. Women need to feel desired".

But I do feel like I come in last. Which a dutiful husband doesn't mind doing on occasion; he puts his wife's needs before his own. But there's a difference between a dutiful husband and a subservient husband...and often that line is thin. It's all a matter of perception...a perception that one is appreciated or taken for granted.

Perhaps she is so stressed she feels I take her for granted. My perception is that I'm giving; she may tell me I'm so, but feel differently.

I will take a page out of your book for the next few weeks and continue on my current course, but impart upon her my need for her to be more receptive to advances. As you said (and I would not repeat to my wife!): I'm going to paw her and gush over her body and make sure I'm heard.

What's the worst that could happen? LOL!
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Radical Plato on April 03, 2014, 10:38:21 AM
Every now and then getbiggers open up and express their vulnerable side and keep it real.  It's quite touching  :o
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Automation on April 03, 2014, 10:39:28 AM
Here's my issue then, if I try to draw parallels to yours.

My wife is decidely not a fitness professional. She doesn't even like working out. Thankfully, she's maintained a very slim physique just due to genetics. Which of course I appreciate.

..........

Wow. I'm a beta with women. This post proves it.

Oh well, I'll go make some money or lift a shit ton of weight and go try and feel alpha somewhere else! LOL! And if not, there's a six pack of beer in the garage fridge that helps me convince myself I'm alpha anyways! LOL!

Get the fucking whores in.....
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _aj_ on April 03, 2014, 10:50:40 AM
But I do feel like I come in last. Which a dutiful husband doesn't mind doing on occasion; he puts his wife's needs before his own. But there's a difference between a dutiful husband and a subservient husband...and often that line is thin. It's all a matter of perception...a perception that one is appreciated or taken for granted.

I try not to subscribe to that societal dogma about where I "come in" in our relationship. I am the husband, father, provider, protector. I bend, but do not break. I put my woman on a pedestal where she belongs (because she is my woman).

I know that my wife never takes me for granted. Are there moments where I feel things could get better? Sure. I am pretty vocal about where I think that things are deviating. This morning was rough getting out the door and my wife was giving me short, pissy answers. I said, "Is this going to be an angry day? I just want to prepare myself". The act of asking that question, snapped her out of it and she told me that I has best prepare myself for a righteous fucking instead when I get home.

Setting up the communications initially can be difficult, but it is worth it.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Shockwave on April 03, 2014, 11:29:19 AM
Not my logic... it's not even logic at all... it's simple biology.

I'm sorry if your woman only allows you to have sex with her an no one else.  You are a manjina... deal with it.
dude... You are so jaded. You have some serious issues with women. Don't know what happened, don't want to know. But reading your posts are like reading warning ads for letting yourself get attached to the wrong women.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on April 03, 2014, 11:39:31 AM
Every now and then getbiggers open up and express their vulnerable side and keep it real.  It's quite touching  :o

X2

This faux-alpha mentality on here is for insecure little boys.

It's refreshing to hear some good honest men with integrity and character sharing their viewpoints and experiences.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on April 03, 2014, 11:46:34 AM
dude... You are so jaded. You have some serious issues with women. Don't know what happened, don't want to know. But reading your posts are like reading warning ads for letting yourself get attached to the wrong women.

You must be married -lol

I have serious issues with marriage, not women.  Women have too much power and control over a man in a marriage.  I am trying to educate the young men here not to fall for the marriage pussy trap.

The only thing that "happened" to me is that I woke up a long time ago.  Many things can be learned by observation and you can avoid many financial pitfalls.  Too bad most people cannot see their own hand in front of their face.

If you want to cling to archaic traditions and social stigmas that have been programmed into your brain since birth that's your business.  I draw my own lines in the sand and live life on MY terms.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _aj_ on April 03, 2014, 12:11:45 PM
X2

This faux-alpha mentality on here is for insecure little boys.

It's refreshing to hear some good honest men with integrity and character sharing their viewpoints and experiences.

I do get a chuckle at men that think that "being an alpha" is about lifting large amounts of weight and fucking "hoes".
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: gracie bjj on April 03, 2014, 12:25:02 PM
ive been married about 13 yrs n i bang my wife every night n then i jerk off to cinemax after dark around 3 in the morning on top of that, the magic of testosterone therapy ;)
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Tito24 on April 03, 2014, 12:27:31 PM
women shouldnt enjoy sex is my opinion
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: cannon_fodder on April 03, 2014, 12:36:24 PM
women shouldnt enjoy sex is my opinion

With you I'm sure they don't
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Parker on April 03, 2014, 12:50:32 PM
You must be married -lol

I have serious issues with marriage, not women.  Women have too much power and control over a man in a marriage.  I am trying to educate the young men here not to fall for the marriage pussy trap.

The only thing that "happened" to me is that I woke up a long time ago.  Many things can be learned by observation and you can avoid many financial pitfalls.  Too bad most people cannot see their own hand in front of their face.

If you want to cling to archaic traditions and social stigmas that have been programmed into your brain since birth that's your business.  I draw my own lines in the sand and live life on MY terms.
Marriage itself has never really changed. The people have.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _bruce_ on April 03, 2014, 01:18:43 PM
I cannot tolerate a woman who needs to be the 'good looking one' in a partnership.

Elton John will be pleased.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on April 03, 2014, 02:21:37 PM
Marriage itself has never really changed. The people have.

Marriage is a legally binding financial contract.  A man is the woman's "fiancé" - that sounds a lot like the word finance to me.  

The marriage contract says you must keep her in the way she has become accustomed... i.e. the man provides for her... i.e. the man pays for everything.  There are rare exceptions, but 80-90% of the time it's the man who brings home the bacon.

Marriage favors women, not men.  Divorce laws favor women, not men.  Why should a man expose himself to this type of financial risk in the first place?... because many other men are doing it?... that is sheer lunacy.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Shockwave on April 03, 2014, 03:35:04 PM
You must be married -lol

I have serious issues with marriage, not women.  Women have too much power and control over a man in a marriage.  I am trying to educate the young men here not to fall for the marriage pussy trap.

The only thing that "happened" to me is that I woke up a long time ago.  Many things can be learned by observation and you can avoid many financial pitfalls.  Too bad most people cannot see their own hand in front of their face.

If you want to cling to archaic traditions and social stigmas that have been programmed into your brain since birth that's your business.  I draw my own lines in the sand and live life on MY terms.
I am happily married. Contrary to your beliefs, people CAN remain happily married and monogamous without the overwhelming desire to fucm completely random women over and over
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: no one on April 03, 2014, 03:38:30 PM
you're more immediate concern should be getting laid now, prince charming.

as an aside, when was the last time you had sex- not with yourself of course.

i'd actually be shocked if you could find anyone that would tolerate you long enough to make such a regrettable decision.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Parker on April 03, 2014, 03:41:58 PM
Marriage is a legally binding financial contract.  A man is the woman's "fiancé" - that sounds a lot like the word finance to me.  

The marriage contract says you must keep her in the way she has become accustomed... i.e. the man provides for her... i.e. the man pays for everything.  There are rare exceptions, but 80-90% of the time it's the man who brings home the bacon.

Marriage favors women, not men.  Divorce laws favor women, not men.  Why should a man expose himself to this type of financial risk in the first place?... because many other men are doing it?... that is sheer lunacy.
Those are laws...
And if you have noticed, there is a trend now with divorces where men are now winning custody and are awarded alimony.
Yes, for the most part divorces tend to favor women.
But, as I stated People have changed.
People are less sincere, more selfish, and less patient. Many people today either grew up with divorced parents, or from single parent homes. So what do they know about "marriage"?
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: wild willie on April 03, 2014, 03:42:29 PM
If so, Why?
WHAT A PATHETIC QUESTION.....
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Ronnie Rep on April 03, 2014, 03:43:59 PM
WHAT A PATHETIC QUESTION.....
This!
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Shockwave on April 03, 2014, 04:11:54 PM
Those are laws...
And if you have noticed, there is a trend now with divorces where men are now winning custody and are awarded alimony.
Yes, for the most part divorces tend to favor women.
But, as I stated People have changed.
People are less sincere, more selfish, and less patient. Many people today either grew up with divorced parents, or from single parent homes. So what do they know about "marriage"?
it all depends on the woman. My wife has an older school mentality,  and was raised through trials and tribulations. Shes much more patient than most. Most women nowadays expect marriage to be this fairytale and they dont seem to understand they have to WORK at it, and that love is an ever evolving concept. You either grow together or you grow apart, and so many women instantly start growing away because they get resentful that theyre not having their fairytale bullshit
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: snx on April 03, 2014, 04:21:08 PM
I try not to subscribe to that societal dogma about where I "come in" in our relationship. I am the husband, father, provider, protector. I bend, but do not break. I put my woman on a pedestal where she belongs (because she is my woman).

I know that my wife never takes me for granted. Are there moments where I feel things could get better? Sure. I am pretty vocal about where I think that things are deviating. This morning was rough getting out the door and my wife was giving me short, pissy answers. I said, "Is this going to be an angry day? I just want to prepare myself". The act of asking that question, snapped her out of it and she told me that I has best prepare myself for a righteous fucking instead when I get home.

Setting up the communications initially can be difficult, but it is worth it.

First off, I'm lol'ing at all the comments.

Lots of guys appreciating sincerity (hey, I'm anonymous...I don't have to care if anyone here thinks I'm a ponce. I like being honest, as ironic as that may sound coming from an anonymous guy on the internet).


Lots of guys who are just plain angry at women and the institution of marriage, which I understand (though don't agree with). My dad hates it too because he married women that weren't right for him...but that's displacing the anger on the wrong culprit. He fucked up and should own some accountability. The women he married were who they were...he is who he is. Both of them are to be blamed for not being honest enough with themselves and each other to avoid marrying each other. They were the broken ones...not the institution of marriage. But I digress...at least I was borne of that less-than-blessed union, which I can clearly state, has been a huge win for mankind in general. I'm sure you all agree.

Lots of guys who are probably just sitting back nodding their heads "yes - my marriage is just like yours snx". And lots of guys shaking their heads saying "snx, you have it all wrong - please listen to me".

I'm in the mood for change, because status-quo isn't sustainable. And like I've said, if I don't change, she won't. And she deserves to have me try in an inclusive, partnering way.

AJ: that's some good advice. As you and I both know, it takes time to lay a foundational groundwork with your wife as to the tone, behavior and dynamic of the relationship. On first read, I loved your comment and in typical guy gung-ho fashion said "that's what I'm going to say". Then I thought about it, and of course, mellowed a bit. I know if I were to present my wife with your exact response, she'd be offended. Not because you are offensive, nor are your comments offensive. They would be viewed as offensive by my wife, coming from me, because I've never spoken to her like that.

That said, perhaps the time has come to shift the dynamic of the relationship to where I introduce this tone into our conversation slowly, maturely, but surely. To let her know in a friendly and respectful, yet clear way, that I will call her on her shit (where it matters). That I am watching her words and that I care what she says (instead of usually shrugging it off in my typical enabling fashion, which only reinforces to her that this is acceptable). And that I will be more demanding (again, respectfully and in the spirit of partnership) as it pertains to physicality.

On my end, I can be more engaging in conversation (I'm not a talker). And instead of just using actions to show her I care (and hope she gets it), I'll use words too, to remind her what's going on and let her know how I'm driving the relationship along with her. If she wants talking, that's what she'll get!

So thanks for sharing. I think there's wisdom in how you've done it. And if I take that lesson and craft it to my relationship, there are wins there for me. And for her too. After all, sex with me is pretty fantastic. And in typical bodybuilding fashion, more is always better.

 
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: O.Z. on April 03, 2014, 05:42:25 PM
First off, I'm lol'ing at all the comments.

Lots of guys appreciating sincerity (hey, I'm anonymous...I don't have to care if anyone here thinks I'm a ponce. I like being honest, as ironic as that may sound coming from an anonymous guy on the internet).


Lots of guys who are just plain angry at women and the institution of marriage, which I understand (though don't agree with). My dad hates it too because he married women that weren't right for him...but that's displacing the anger on the wrong culprit. He fucked up and should own some accountability. The women he married were who they were...he is who he is. Both of them are to be blamed for not being honest enough with themselves and each other to avoid marrying each other. They were the broken ones...not the institution of marriage. But I digress...at least I was borne of that less-than-blessed union, which I can clearly state, has been a huge win for mankind in general. I'm sure you all agree.

Lots of guys who are probably just sitting back nodding their heads "yes - my marriage is just like yours snx". And lots of guys shaking their heads saying "snx, you have it all wrong - please listen to me".

I'm in the mood for change, because status-quo isn't sustainable. And like I've said, if I don't change, she won't. And she deserves to have me try in an inclusive, partnering way.

AJ: that's some good advice. As you and I both know, it takes time to lay a foundational groundwork with your wife as to the tone, behavior and dynamic of the relationship. On first read, I loved your comment and in typical guy gung-ho fashion said "that's what I'm going to say". Then I thought about it, and of course, mellowed a bit. I know if I were to present my wife with your exact response, she'd be offended. Not because you are offensive, nor are your comments offensive. They would be viewed as offensive by my wife, coming from me, because I've never spoken to her like that.

That said, perhaps the time has come to shift the dynamic of the relationship to where I introduce this tone into our conversation slowly, maturely, but surely. To let her know in a friendly and respectful, yet clear way, that I will call her on her shit (where it matters). That I am watching her words and that I care what she says (instead of usually shrugging it off in my typical enabling fashion, which only reinforces to her that this is acceptable). And that I will be more demanding (again, respectfully and in the spirit of partnership) as it pertains to physicality.

On my end, I can be more engaging in conversation (I'm not a talker). And instead of just using actions to show her I care (and hope she gets it), I'll use words too, to remind her what's going on and let her know how I'm driving the relationship along with her. If she wants talking, that's what she'll get!

So thanks for sharing. I think there's wisdom in how you've done it. And if I take that lesson and craft it to my relationship, there are wins there for me. And for her too. After all, sex with me is pretty fantastic. And in typical bodybuilding fashion, more is always better.

 


from what I can see (might be wrong) your problem is simple (so to speak). You want more sex and your wife is not fond to that idea.
You should make an agreement with her and discuss your monthly allowance for 2-3  visits to  the pleasure house.
I bet she would be relieved that you are not going to ask her for more sex and she would also be happy that you are not cheating on her with some of her friends or your co-workers
but rather satisfying your biological needs for 1/2 hour.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Automation on April 03, 2014, 10:55:45 PM

from what I can see (might be wrong) your problem is simple (so to speak). You want more sex and your wife is not fond to that idea.
You should make an agreement with her and discuss your monthly allowance for 2-3  visits to  the pleasure house.
I bet she would be relieved that you are not going to ask her for more sex and she would also be happy that you are not cheating on her with some of her friends or your co-workers
but rather satisfying your biological needs for 1/2 hour.

i.e. get the fucking whores in
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Primemuscle on April 03, 2014, 11:20:03 PM
I believe it depends on the couple. Some folks are just more into sex then others.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Radical Plato on April 03, 2014, 11:47:08 PM
women shouldnt enjoy sex is my opinion

With you I'm sure they don't

ROFL
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: anabolichalo on April 04, 2014, 12:05:17 AM
if the woman has a golden pussy the guy will keep plowing it
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: no one on April 04, 2014, 12:10:29 AM
Here's my issue then, if I try to draw parallels to yours.

My wife is decidely not a fitness professional. She doesn't even like working out. Thankfully, she's maintained a very slim physique just due to genetics. Which of course I appreciate.

But, as my body fluctuates, she becomes more or less conflicted. When I'm puffy and heavy, she doesn't find me overly attractive. Yet, the prospect of intimacy is met with more favorably, shall we say.

When I'm below 10% BF, give or take, she finds me more attractive, but is more hesistant towards intimacy (in her words, she feels more self-conscious around me). This outweighs the attraction she feels to the abs, which she likes.

Perhaps if she were like your wife, and grew to own her own body, she may change her lens on her body. I certainly tell her how hot I think she is daily. I don't think she believes me though.

So I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. And it's not like when I'm full on 15+ BF that I get it 4-5x/week. It's still 2-3x/month, at best. When I'm lean, that drops to 1-2x/month. The rub is that the extra supplementation I use does not help.

It is what it is. I love her and she's my best friend. I'd like to do her a lot more than I am now, is about my only gripe in our relationship; otherwise, we are perfectly compatible personality wise. We've talked about it a lot and I've tried being nice, being accommodating, all that fun stuff. Doing more chores around the house; doing the cooking; giving more massages; doing more of the stuff she likes in bed instead of what I like. Hasn't paid off. It's more like this is now the new bar I've set and it's the new "maintenance level" of attention I have to pay to her to get what I used to get when I was lazier about things.  

I have zero doubts about her faithfulness. I know you guys love to say that's what's going on. Not in this case. Because it's been like this for well over 15 years together...always the same consistency so it's not like things have gone up or down.

She just doesn't have that gear in her. As she approaches menopause in the next decade, this is not going to get any better.

I guess I just take what I can get and learn to live with it. It's not like I'm waking up this year surprised by it all. It's always been this way, and I suppose I can be blamed for settling on this front instead of finding a great woman who also has the same drive I do.

I can't afford a divorce just for the prospect of more intimacy with another partner. That's financially irresponsible. And I wouldn't humiliate a good friend like that. I'm too loyal to good friends, for better or worse.

Wow. I'm a beta with women. This post proves it.

Oh well, I'll go make some money or lift a shit ton of weight and go try and feel alpha somewhere else! LOL! And if not, there's a six pack of beer in the garage fridge that helps me convince myself I'm alpha anyways! LOL!

this is serious 'no one' for a minute speaking.

man been reading your posts but quoted this one to get the ball rolling. you and I are quite a bit alike- I'm not emotionally open- I don't say nice things or show a lot of affection. I do nice things. that's how I show I care. because I'm emotionally detached sex has always been a high priority for me in a relationship because it's the only time I open myself up emotionally. it's my outlet cause I'm not built to show it the way most people can for some reason. I say outlet because I need to let my partner know that I am emotionally attached to them even though I might not 'show' it. i say need to let my partner know because it's a purging of some nature for me. so I understand your priority on sex. plus add in our hormones and biological drives on top of that.

what you gotta understand bro, and I don't know if you do- I get the sense you don't- you gotta understand that you are not the problem here. the way 'you look' at different times is not the problem here. your wife is the problem here. and you can't fix that. you can't fix her. she needs to fix herself. her aversion to being physical with you is not normal nor is it fair to you. the way you look is an excuse to not be physical which makes it, in a way, your fault, not hers (she likes the abs but is intimidated). she's not taking ownership for her lack of desire. so you then think ok, well maybe the problem is me. maybe I can change something. right? right. the problem isn't you bro.

there is nothing that you are going to do by yourself that is going to change a thing for the better. your in a tough spot here. if she's content with the way things are she'll resent you wanting to change that. it'll be your fault all over again that things aren't good enough. see how that works?

I've been down this road before. it doesn't end happily. what happens is resentment creeps in. it's unspoken and unsaid by both parties and it's like a cancer. it spreads out from the original issue into all aspects of the relationship. I already get the feeling there might be some of that already starting to manifest itself.

does it get better? I dunno. I always ended the relationship before we tore it do far apart that friendship was impossible. in fact to this day I have great relationships w my exs. several have told me I'd be the first person they'd come to if they were ever in trouble or needed help. then again I was never married. that adds a whole new dimension to things. but what are you going to do- live life unhappy cause you don't want to divorce? that's not noble. that's two people who aren't going to be friends in a few more years.

man I feel for you 100%. and btw there nothing 'beta' about loving your wife so don't for a minute think so.

Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Automation on April 04, 2014, 12:10:34 AM
if the woman has a golden pussy the guy will keep plowing it

I think this is the best halo ramble to date. I will be using this phrase myself!
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Bertha Butt on April 04, 2014, 02:04:06 AM
if the woman has a golden pussy the guy will keep plowing it

Goldfinger?
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Bertha Butt on April 04, 2014, 02:16:34 AM
But, as my body fluctuates, she becomes more or less conflicted. When I'm puffy and heavy, she doesn't find me overly attractive. Yet, the prospect of intimacy is met with more favorably, shall we say.

When I'm below 10% BF, give or take, she finds me more attractive, but is more hesistant towards intimacy (in her words, she feels more self-conscious around me). This outweighs the attraction she feels to the abs, which she likes.

I think this problem is beyond your toolbox. If she has a problem with her self image, theres nothing in the world you could do to change that. Only she can.

That said, if this problem would be in our marriage, Phreak would give me this choice: either go with me to the gym to work on your own body so you don't have to feel self consious, or don't go to the gym and stop worrying/complaining. He would wrap it up in nicer words, though. And I respond well to these plain black and white choices.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: anabolichalo on April 04, 2014, 02:22:18 AM
Goldfinger?
a golden pussy is a pussy that maintains silky smoothness of the walls throughout the years and secretes a more viscuous type of pussy water during arousal, more slimy than watery if you will, to give an optimal balance between lubrication and friction of the cock and the walls. it is also aesthetically pleasing from the outside and lacks excess meat flaps

this is the golden pussy standard
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Teutonic Knight on April 04, 2014, 02:31:12 AM
a golden pussy is a pussy that maintains silky smoothness of the walls throughout the years and secretes a more viscuous type of pussy water during arousal, more slimy than watery if you will, to give an optimal balance between lubrication and friction of the cock and the walls. it is also aesthetically pleasing from the outside and lacks excess meat flaps

this is the golden pussy standard

What standard is 'baby mama'  pussy ??? ::) aluminium one.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Bertha Butt on April 04, 2014, 04:25:43 AM
a golden pussy is a pussy that maintains silky smoothness of the walls throughout the years and secretes a more viscuous type of pussy water during arousal, more slimy than watery if you will, to give an optimal balance between lubrication and friction of the cock and the walls. it is also aesthetically pleasing from the outside and lacks excess meat flaps

this is the golden pussy standard

Thank you for this vivid explanation. Not very mouth or vag watering for my taste, as a very hetero female, but preferable to a gold painted mimsy.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Wolfox on April 04, 2014, 04:28:24 AM
Just fyi halo is spot on about the gina. Love the slimy vags...not the watery ones.

I love it when the mucus starts to drip down to her anus. It collects there.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Ronnie Rep on April 04, 2014, 04:41:28 AM
Just fyi halo is spot on about the gina. Love the slimy vags...not the watery ones.

I love it when the mucus starts to drip down to her anus. It collects there.
Watery pussy? Never been with a woman who was watery, you mean a squirter?
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _aj_ on April 04, 2014, 04:42:27 AM
You pups pipe down. The adults are trying to have a conversation FFS.

No one, good insights, and you are right in that if she doesn't have that within herself, it isn't going to be found.

I am fortunate in that I can always tell my wife with a straight face, "I am just trying to catch up to you!"

In the future, that may not be as effective.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Wolfox on April 04, 2014, 04:51:50 AM
this is serious 'no one' for a minute speaking.

man been reading your posts but quoted this one to get the ball rolling. you and I are quite a bit alike- I'm not emotionally open- I don't say nice things or show a lot of affection. I do nice things. that's how I show I care. because I'm emotionally detached sex has always been a high priority for me in a relationship because it's the only time I open myself up emotionally. it's my outlet cause I'm not built to show it the way most people can for some reason. I say outlet because I need to let my partner know that I am emotionally attached to them even though I might not 'show' it. i say need to let my partner know because it's a purging of some nature for me. so I understand your priority on sex. plus add in our hormones and biological drives on top of that.

what you gotta understand bro, and I don't know if you do- I get the sense you don't- you gotta understand that you are not the problem here. the way 'you look' at different times is not the problem here. your wife is the problem here. and you can't fix that. you can't fix her. she needs to fix herself. her aversion to being physical with you is not normal nor is it fair to you. the way you look is an excuse to not be physical which makes it, in a way, your fault, not hers (she likes the abs but is intimidated). she's not taking ownership for her lack of desire. so you then think ok, well maybe the problem is me. maybe I can change something. right? right. the problem isn't you bro.

there is nothing that you are going to do by yourself that is going to change a thing for the better. your in a tough spot here. if she's content with the way things are she'll resent you wanting to change that. it'll be your fault all over again that things aren't good enough. see how that works?

I've been down this road before. it doesn't end happily. what happens is resentment creeps in. it's unspoken and unsaid by both parties and it's like a cancer. it spreads out from the original issue into all aspects of the relationship. I already get the feeling there might be some of that already starting to manifest itself.

does it get better? I dunno. I always ended the relationship before we tore it do far apart that friendship was impossible. in fact to this day I have great relationships w my exs. several have told me I'd be the first person they'd come to if they were ever in trouble or needed help. then again I was never married. that adds a whole new dimension to things. but what are you going to do- live life unhappy cause you don't want to divorce? that's not noble. that's two people who aren't going to be friends in a few more years.

man I feel for you 100%. and btw there nothing 'beta' about loving your wife so don't for a minute think so.



Just take notice how no one uses "partner" when describing his own relationships. Never uses "her" or "she". Never "girlfriend". Gender is never alluded to and this is purposely.

Basically a confirmation of his faggetry. Way to out yourself. Always got the gay vibe from you.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _aj_ on April 04, 2014, 05:08:49 AM
Just take notice how no one uses "partner" when describing his own relationships. Never uses "her" or "she". Never "girlfriend". Gender is never alluded to and this is purposely.

Basically a confirmation of his faggetry. Way to out yourself. Always got the gay vibe from you.

Wolfie, can you let it go ITT? For once in a long while, something useful is being discussed. After a fucking river of Joon and BS and their fucking bullshit, this is refreshing.

Take your jihad to other threads, please.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Simple Simon on April 04, 2014, 05:12:33 AM
Just take notice how no one uses "partner" when describing his own relationships. Never uses "her" or "she". Never "girlfriend". Gender is never alluded to and this is purposely.

Basically a confirmation of his faggetry. Way to out yourself. Always got the gay vibe from you.
Takes one to know one.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Wolfox on April 04, 2014, 05:13:26 AM
Wolfie, can you let it go ITT? For once in a long while, something useful is being discussed. After a fucking river of Joon and BS and their fucking bullshit, this is refreshing.

Take your jihad to other threads, please.

He's been outed. He's a fucking homo.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: anabolichalo on April 04, 2014, 05:14:38 AM
Watery pussy? Never been with a woman who was watery, you mean a squirter?
the level of viscuosity of the pussy water varies

some have water juice, some have thicker more slimy sticky


the watery sucks, think about shower sex ::) (not in that degree but similar)
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Simple Simon on April 04, 2014, 05:15:00 AM
He's been outed. Has a fucking homo.
Do you have a problem with gay people?
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Wolfox on April 04, 2014, 05:19:10 AM
Do you have a problem with gay people?

It goes against the teachings of the Tanakh.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _bruce_ on April 04, 2014, 05:19:41 AM
What standard is 'baby mama'  pussy ??? ::) aluminium one.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: anabolichalo on April 04, 2014, 05:20:57 AM
baby mama pussy is the gold standard


why do you think i still crave it everyday after 7 years of hitting it ???
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Shockwave on April 04, 2014, 05:42:15 AM
this is serious 'no one' for a minute speaking.

man been reading your posts but quoted this one to get the ball rolling. you and I are quite a bit alike- I'm not emotionally open- I don't say nice things or show a lot of affection. I do nice things. that's how I show I care. because I'm emotionally detached sex has always been a high priority for me in a relationship because it's the only time I open myself up emotionally. it's my outlet cause I'm not built to show it the way most people can for some reason. I say outlet because I need to let my partner know that I am emotionally attached to them even though I might not 'show' it. i say need to let my partner know because it's a purging of some nature for me. so I understand your priority on sex. plus add in our hormones and biological drives on top of that.

what you gotta understand bro, and I don't know if you do- I get the sense you don't- you gotta understand that you are not the problem here. the way 'you look' at different times is not the problem here. your wife is the problem here. and you can't fix that. you can't fix her. she needs to fix herself. her aversion to being physical with you is not normal nor is it fair to you. the way you look is an excuse to not be physical which makes it, in a way, your fault, not hers (she likes the abs but is intimidated). she's not taking ownership for her lack of desire. so you then think ok, well maybe the problem is me. maybe I can change something. right? right. the problem isn't you bro.

there is nothing that you are going to do by yourself that is going to change a thing for the better. your in a tough spot here. if she's content with the way things are she'll resent you wanting to change that. it'll be your fault all over again that things aren't good enough. see how that works?

I've been down this road before. it doesn't end happily. what happens is resentment creeps in. it's unspoken and unsaid by both parties and it's like a cancer. it spreads out from the original issue into all aspects of the relationship. I already get the feeling there might be some of that already starting to manifest itself.

does it get better? I dunno. I always ended the relationship before we tore it do far apart that friendship was impossible. in fact to this day I have great relationships w my exs. several have told me I'd be the first person they'd come to if they were ever in trouble or needed help. then again I was never married. that adds a whole new dimension to things. but what are you going to do- live life unhappy cause you don't want to divorce? that's not noble. that's two people who aren't going to be friends in a few more years.

man I feel for you 100%. and btw there nothing 'beta' about loving your wife so don't for a minute think so.


confirm. Im the same way. Not overly lovey and it took my wife a year to pick up that I just DO nice things instead of talking aboit doing nice things.

luckily we both are on the same page sexually so its all good.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: phreak on April 04, 2014, 06:22:32 AM
So I get this. As my wife has intimated in the past that she might feel self-conscious around me if I get "too good looking". But I called her on this when it seemed to be happening and she snapped herself out of it. She bluntly stated that she wants to be "the good looking one" in the relationship. That appears to be a woman thing. I am EXTREMELY appreciative of her physical assets and never miss an opportunity to talk to her about it. We laugh sometimes about how "difficult" her life is with her husband pawing at her 12 hours a day and gushing over her body.

Mostly, its about communication and making sure that you are heard. I do think that sometimes my wife (who is also approaching menopause age) does it more for me than for her.

Now that I have decided to go the "enhanced" route, it'll be interesting to see how this falls out. On one side, I am going to be enhancing the very things that she finds very attractive. On the other, as you say, there may be self-consciousness that'll settle in.

To split with somebody because they find you so attractive that they have trouble with their own self-image seems retarded, unless it becomes a real psychological disability.

Anyway, we should compare notes as we are not so far off from each other.
Interesting topic. I'm an ugly bastard, so I couldn't imagine my wife feeling self-conscious about me getting in shape. But she did, which was a great help in both of us getting in shape. Therein also lies the danger: when one of us fails, the other usually fails as well. When one gets body image problems, so does the other. The good thing is that we do it all together, we are both very analytical, and eventually we figure out where we go wrong and what to do about it. I do realize now that we are lucky to be this close. The more I read GB, the more I realize how rare this is.

And as you mention: What does going the 'enhanced' route do to your relationship? My little Bertha vaccilated a bit, but has decided to join me in that too. This is a big step, especially for a woman. And frankly, if it would have been a serious problem for her, I would stop being enhanced.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Shockwave on April 04, 2014, 06:56:30 AM
Interesting topic. I'm an ugly bastard, so I couldn't imagine my wife feeling self-conscious about me getting in shape. But she did, which was a great help in both of us getting in shape. Therein also lies the danger: when one of us fails, the other usually fails as well. When one gets body image problems, so does the other. The good thing is that we do it all together, we are both very analytical, and eventually we figure out where we go wrong and what to do about it. I do realize now that we are lucky to be this close. The more I read GB, the more I realize how rare this is.

And as you mention: What does going the 'enhanced' route do to your relationship? My little Bertha vaccilated a bit, but has decided to join me in that too. This is a big step, especially for a woman. And frankly, if it would have been a serious problem for her, I would stop being enhanced.
same thing here. When I succeed, she's succeeds. She's also joined me in being enhance, albeit at very, very light doses. She wants to look like an offseason Bikini competitor. It is rare. I'd say 90% of people I've met/know are not anywhere near that close with their spouse. Its more an arrangement of mutual benefits than true love.

all I know is that my wife pushes me to succeed where I normally would have given up, purely because I know if I fail, shell fail. Although its a double edged sword because I have to constantly talk hr out of making rash decisions with regards to gear. The mote progress I make the harder she pushes to keep up and vice versa. Its a wonderful thing to share a hobby with someone you love in this way.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _aj_ on April 04, 2014, 06:57:04 AM
Interesting topic. I'm an ugly bastard, so I couldn't imagine my wife feeling self-conscious about me getting in shape. But she did, which was a great help in both of us getting in shape. Therein also lies the danger: when one of us fails, the other usually fails as well. When one gets body image problems, so does the other. The good thing is that we do it all together, we are both very analytical, and eventually we figure out where we go wrong and what to do about it. I do realize now that we are lucky to be this close. The more I read GB, the more I realize how rare this is.

And as you mention: What does going the 'enhanced' route do to your relationship? My little Bertha vaccilated a bit, but has decided to join me in that too. This is a big step, especially for a woman. And frankly, if it would have been a serious problem for her, I would stop being enhanced.

I think to a certain extent, we are positive reinforcers to each other, not negative. If I falter a bit, she'll come tell me her latest exploits, like how she made a Marine in her boot camp class puke, and that will get me off my ass. Since I have NEVER seen her falter, I don't know if I can do the same for her.

But, as I said before, the "enhancement" effect is unknown at this time. She already thinks that my abs are better than hers. Which is complete bullshit.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: phreak on April 04, 2014, 07:11:51 AM
same thing here. When I succeed, she's succeeds. She's also joined me in being enhance, albeit at very, very light doses. She wants to look like an offseason Bikini competitor. It is rare. I'd say 90% of people I've met/know are not anywhere near that close with their spouse. Its more an arrangement of mutual benefits than true love.

all I know is that my wife pushes me to succeed where I normally would have given up, purely because I know if I fail, shell fail. Although its a double edged sword because I have to constantly talk hr out of making rash decisions with regards to gear. The mote progress I make the harder she pushes to keep up and vice versa. Its a wonderful thing to share a hobby with someone you love in this way.

I understand what you are saying: she never pushed me actively, her presence makes me want to push myself. The reason I started being less obese was that I wanted to be there for her - and not in a wheelchair - when she was old and needed me.

And true on the low dosages, the advantage there being that I'm on very low (325 mg/w) dose myself. So the push isn't that big. Plus she's lost more fat than me already. Yum!
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: phreak on April 04, 2014, 07:15:18 AM
I think to a certain extent, we are positive reinforcers to each other, not negative. If I falter a bit, she'll come tell me her latest exploits, like how she made a Marine in her boot camp class puke, and that will get me off my ass. Since I have NEVER seen her falter, I don't know if I can do the same for her.

But, as I said before, the "enhancement" effect is unknown at this time. She already thinks that my abs are better than hers. Which is complete bullshit.
For us it works both ways, and in equal measure. She gets a grip, I get a grip. I binge, she binges. Usually with a time lag of a few weeks.

What really does it for me is that she pisses women off in the gym. The more jealous they get, and the more the men ogle her, the better she feels, so the better I feel. According to her it also works the other way around, but I'm an unobservant man, so I don't see that I'm being ogled by gays or old women. ;D
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: loco on April 04, 2014, 08:00:21 AM
Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?

If so, Why?

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Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: loco on April 04, 2014, 08:04:30 AM
man been reading your posts but quoted this one to get the ball rolling. you and I are quite a bit alike- I'm not emotionally open- I don't say nice things or show a lot of affection. I do nice things. that's how I show I care. because I'm emotionally detached sex has always been a high priority for me in a relationship because it's the only time I open myself up emotionally. it's my outlet cause I'm not built to show it the way most people can for some reason. I say outlet because I need to let my partner know that I am emotionally attached to them even though I might not 'show' it. i say need to let my partner know because it's a purging of some nature for me. so I understand your priority on sex. plus add in our hormones and biological drives on top of that.

The Five Love Languages

The Five Love Languages: How to Express Heartfelt Commitment to Your Mate is a 1995 faith-based book by Gary Chapman.[1] It outlines five ways to express and experience love that Chapman calls "love languages": gifts, quality time, words of affirmation, acts of service, and physical touch.[2] Chapman's book claims that the list of five love languages is exhaustive.[3] Chapman argues that, emotionally, people need to receive love.[4] He also writes that people should not use the love languages that they like the most but rather the love languages that their loved ones can receive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Love_Languages

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Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Shockwave on April 04, 2014, 08:35:53 AM
For us it works both ways, and in equal measure. She gets a grip, I get a grip. I binge, she binges. Usually with a time lag of a few weeks.

What really does it for me is that she pisses women off in the gym. The more jealous they get, and the more the men ogle her, the better she feels, so the better I feel. According to her it also works the other way around, but I'm an unobservant man, so I don't see that I'm being ogled by gays or old women. ;D
this is exactly how it is for us as well. We both started into our gym obese after she had our son, and now we've bypassed everyone except a few hardcore gym rats and fitnes chicks. People. We started working. Out with look at us in jealousy as they haven't changed at all and we look like totally different people, and it skyrockets her confidence, which pushes us both to work harder. Its a truly great experience.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _bruce_ on April 04, 2014, 09:07:01 AM
For us it works both ways, and in equal measure. She gets a grip, I get a grip. I binge, she binges. Usually with a time lag of a few weeks.

What really does it for me is that she pisses women off in the gym. The more jealous they get, and the more the men ogle her, the better she feels, so the better I feel. According to her it also works the other way around, but I'm an unobservant man, so I don't see that I'm being ogled by gays or old women. ;D

Time to choose the red pill - Neo will "hand" it to you in the showers.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: snx on April 04, 2014, 09:40:43 AM
this is serious 'no one' for a minute speaking.

man been reading your posts but quoted this one to get the ball rolling. you and I are quite a bit alike- I'm not emotionally open- I don't say nice things or show a lot of affection. I do nice things. that's how I show I care. because I'm emotionally detached sex has always been a high priority for me in a relationship because it's the only time I open myself up emotionally. it's my outlet cause I'm not built to show it the way most people can for some reason. I say outlet because I need to let my partner know that I am emotionally attached to them even though I might not 'show' it. i say need to let my partner know because it's a purging of some nature for me. so I understand your priority on sex. plus add in our hormones and biological drives on top of that.

what you gotta understand bro, and I don't know if you do- I get the sense you don't- you gotta understand that you are not the problem here. the way 'you look' at different times is not the problem here. your wife is the problem here. and you can't fix that. you can't fix her. she needs to fix herself. her aversion to being physical with you is not normal nor is it fair to you. the way you look is an excuse to not be physical which makes it, in a way, your fault, not hers (she likes the abs but is intimidated). she's not taking ownership for her lack of desire. so you then think ok, well maybe the problem is me. maybe I can change something. right? right. the problem isn't you bro.

there is nothing that you are going to do by yourself that is going to change a thing for the better. your in a tough spot here. if she's content with the way things are she'll resent you wanting to change that. it'll be your fault all over again that things aren't good enough. see how that works?

I've been down this road before. it doesn't end happily. what happens is resentment creeps in. it's unspoken and unsaid by both parties and it's like a cancer. it spreads out from the original issue into all aspects of the relationship. I already get the feeling there might be some of that already starting to manifest itself.

does it get better? I dunno. I always ended the relationship before we tore it do far apart that friendship was impossible. in fact to this day I have great relationships w my exs. several have told me I'd be the first person they'd come to if they were ever in trouble or needed help. then again I was never married. that adds a whole new dimension to things. but what are you going to do- live life unhappy cause you don't want to divorce? that's not noble. that's two people who aren't going to be friends in a few more years.

man I feel for you 100%. and btw there nothing 'beta' about loving your wife so don't for a minute think so.



Wow...you and I have a lot in common too. I doubt we'll ever meet in real life, and if we did, we'd probably never say this shit to each other, but I'm glad we get to talk to each other here at least. I can tell you this; if I ever run into you, first beer is on me. Even as a card carrying male, you gotta talk about shit once in a while with someone.

That's refreshing and reassuring, to say the least. There's probably a lot of guys like us; guys who have a hard time opening up, and just want a girl to lay down with us and understand that us doing that, with them, is the primary way we show affection and commitment. But of course, there's a lot of women out there who aren't wired that way. '

Hence, men from mars, women from venus, and all that other dime store psychology.

I guess what's not refreshing is the potential outcome you've laid out - it is kind of scary. Not that you were trying to scare me, but I don't like thinking about life without her or the kids. Of course, I know that's certainly a potential outcome if things get bad. As you rightfully pointed out, there are feelings of resentment and distance that creep in when I'm not able to connect physically (seeing as how it's one of the few ways I feel good at showing her I care about her). But I'm trying real hard each day to push those to the background, and focus on ways to turn her on more.

I guess that's what it comes down to. I'm a guy, so naturally, I think like a guy. I think "shit, if I were a woman, I'd want a man who's all jacked up". So I focus on that. It hasn't really worked with her. Then I think "well, if I were a woman, I'd want a man who makes all kinds of money". So I do that; hasn't really changed the bedroom scene much. I know she enjoys the safety of money, but that hasn't translated to the boudoir, so to speak. Then I think "well, if I act all aloof and like I don't need sex, then she'll want it more because she'll see I'm not so desperate." That hasn't worked; she has way more patience than I do, and I just sit there and watch the pot boil. She'll go a month or more if I don't act.

I'm really trying now, more than ever, to show her I care using language I think she'll be receptive to. I'm trying to look at it through her lens. I'm doing more chores around the house, so she's not so exhausted by it all; I'm getting the kids out from underneath her feet more, so she's given time to feel like a woman instead of a mom. I'm trying to support her professional growth so she's allowed to nurture those aspirations. Of course, I don't get a lot out of doing those things personally (well, I like spending time the kids), but I'm hoping she does and there's a recognition there. It's kind of my last straw. I don't have much else I can do, do I?

I mean, what would I try next? And this is not rhetorical; I will try anything that's reasonable. Knowing getbig, I realize what I've just asked with this question, so I anticipate some good lol's too.

If it's as you say, that the problem is her drive doesn't match mine, then we are indeed mismatched. That's pretty spooky. I did commit to her, for better or worse. I assume that "worse" can mean that her drive doesn't match mine, and never will. And that it's my job to be ok with it. I guess that's just not how I anticipated going through the prime of my life; I'd do it for her if I had to, because she's my best friend and I'll do anything for my friends. That's a sacrifice, but there are harder sacrifices one can make.

When I run out of options, I'll go the pharmaceutical route. Get on something to keep my anabolic, but also use something to kill the sex drive. I have no idea what that would be. But I do know I'm not walking out because she's not hot for me in the bedroom. If it is that her and I don't match, there will need to be some other strength to the relationship to keep us together. Even if it's just to make sure the kids grow up with mom and dad together in a loving household. There's enough screwed up kids out there without me adding a few more to the mix. And she's a great person; she doesn't deserve to have her life turned upside down because I'm not getting laid.

And of course, I know you're not telling me to leave my wife. I guess I'm really responding to the frankness of your post with my own heartfelt emotion. Trust me when I tell you; your words have really hit home.


Oh, and to AJ. I tried some stuff yesterday about trying to vocalize more of what I'd like. It didn't go too well. The minute we sat down to watch TV, I started with a little foot rub, which she always likes. The first words out of her mouth (predictably); "oh, I'm not horny tonight". To which I said, "hey, that's ok. How about you get a foot rub, and then I get a massage. Just want to be close". And then she said "no thanks. Not tonight. Why don't you fire up the computer."

At which point, I think I commented that I had no idea I'd married a eunuch. I think that might have been a tad overboard. LOL. Hey, I'm trying too here...cut me some friggin slack! LOL!.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Automation on April 04, 2014, 09:47:18 AM
This thread (minus the hilarious interjections by Halo) is like a horrible daytime chat show. Just bang some whores and be done with it.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: TEH boob on April 04, 2014, 09:58:21 AM
That wasn't very nice of her, what she said.  :-[

It could be that her drive is really that much lower than yours, in which case you'll be pesky trying to turn her on, or there's something else at work. So...her not wanting sex could be anything else besides not wanting sex...stress at work, insecurity, unresolved issues, etc.

You're going to have to figure out why it takes so much for her to consent to sex. If you've told her that sex is one of the few ways you feel close to her, and she won't go to bed more often...that's sad. If she told you that love notes, dinner, and asparagus made her feel loved or close to you, you should be all up on that writing a note that dinner will be asparagus.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _aj_ on April 04, 2014, 10:15:11 AM
Oh, and to AJ. I tried some stuff yesterday about trying to vocalize more of what I'd like. It didn't go too well. The minute we sat down to watch TV, I started with a little foot rub, which she always likes. The first words out of her mouth (predictably); "oh, I'm not horny tonight". To which I said, "hey, that's ok. How about you get a foot rub, and then I get a massage. Just want to be close". And then she said "no thanks. Not tonight. Why don't you fire up the computer."

At which point, I think I commented that I had no idea I'd married a eunuch. I think that might have been a tad overboard. LOL. Hey, I'm trying too here...cut me some friggin slack! LOL!.

Ooops. This is going to be a journey, NOT a destination. You'll have to work on it.

Has she seen an endo about her impending menopause? I have recently started "battlespace preparation" for that by talking to her about testosterone therapy as opposed to any estrogen/progesterone therapy. She is all about the increased muscle mass and libido, so this might be an easy sell.

Are handjobs/BJs out of the question if she's not feeling horny? I actually had my wife beg off sex and when I asked for the BJ/HJ she said, "but what about me?". I LOL'd long and hard.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: anabolichalo on April 04, 2014, 10:17:58 AM
women are often stubborn to give head

but you can pretty much always fuck them if you got them in the house


they may say no and strugle somewhat but drag them to the bed by their hips and push them on the bed gently but decisively and start raping them somewhat they always end up complying because it arouses them i believe somewhat or they just go with path of least resistance
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: WalterWhite on April 04, 2014, 10:26:40 AM
Sex was the last thing  to go in my marriage.

That's the one thing that always worked.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: anabolichalo on April 04, 2014, 10:42:55 AM
Sex was the last thing  to go in my marriage.

That's the one thing that always worked.
that's what makes it hard to let go

everytime you want sex, you start thinking about that golden pussy

like when you watching a hot porno, you start thinking about your ex woman like wouldnt it be sweet i could have her back and sweet sex


then the microsecond the sperm leaves the body it's like avalanche of flashbacks how lucky you are to be rid of her


 ;D
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: WalterWhite on April 04, 2014, 10:50:55 AM
that's what makes it hard to let go

everytime you want sex, you start thinking about that golden pussy

like when you watching a hot porno, you start thinking about your ex woman like wouldnt it be sweet i could have her back and sweet sex


then the microsecond the sperm leaves the body it's like avalanche of flashbacks how lucky you are to be rid of her


 ;D

Exactly it was the in between sex time that was a problem! Also remind yourself of the seven figures WW had to pay his ex for keeping house and driving his child around..oh and cooking.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: anabolichalo on April 04, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
housewives are the most disgusting cases of "entitlement"


they think they should get a director's salary for stuffing clothes in a laundry machine and vaccuming the living room
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Tito24 on April 04, 2014, 10:54:42 AM
women should not enjoy sex, period.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: anabolichalo on April 04, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
women should not enjoy sex, period.
women should not be allowed to have posesions or money, they should just get paid in food stamps

neither should they be allowed to vote or drive motorized vehicles
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: TEH boob on April 04, 2014, 10:57:49 AM
women should not be allowed to have posesions or money, they should just get paid in food stamps

neither should they be allowed to vote or drive motorized vehicles

Would you like a hot or cold drink when you get home, Mr halo?
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Tito24 on April 04, 2014, 11:01:14 AM
a hot karl
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _aj_ on April 04, 2014, 11:01:20 AM
Well, I guess this thread is dead...

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Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: anabolichalo on April 04, 2014, 11:01:30 AM
Would you like a hot or cold drink when you get home, Mr halo?
i am home and my baby mama is out on the street

like the little piggy that didn,t think it was necessary to build its own house in the story


i was the piggy that built a stone house

Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: WalterWhite on April 04, 2014, 11:15:02 AM
housewives are the most disgusting cases of "entitlement"


they think they should get a director's salary for stuffing clothes in a laundry machine and vaccuming the living room

Draconian divorce laws have not caught up with the times!
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: anabolichalo on April 04, 2014, 11:34:34 AM
Draconian divorce laws have not caught up with the times!
more women in power, judges etc, all want to castrate and punish the men

makes sense
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: TEH boob on April 04, 2014, 11:43:42 AM
more women in power, judges etc, all want to castrate and punish the men

makes sense

No....thinking that women can't take care of themselves is what leads to divorce favoring women.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: snx on April 04, 2014, 12:38:04 PM
Ooops. This is going to be a journey, NOT a destination. You'll have to work on it.

Has she seen an endo about her impending menopause? I have recently started "battlespace preparation" for that by talking to her about testosterone therapy as opposed to any estrogen/progesterone therapy. She is all about the increased muscle mass and libido, so this might be an easy sell.

Are handjobs/BJs out of the question if she's not feeling horny? I actually had my wife beg off sex and when I asked for the BJ/HJ she said, "but what about me?". I LOL'd long and hard.

That's the weird thing...HJ's are even off the table if she's not feeling up to it. It's not really that hard...I've been doing them to myself for years. LOL.

Perhaps I start slipping a bit of halotestin in her morning coffee.

Menopause is about 10 years off for her, so she won't get meno treatment now. About all they'd do is counsel her on sex drive, and since most women don't complain about low sex drive, there aren't a lot of doctors out there well versed in helping women treat that problem. If she in fact does have a physiological problem.

And yeah, as we talked...it's a long, long road of re-establishing the dynamics of the relationship. My first step was a little shaky and ended on a less than sensitive note, but at least I'm trying.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Grape Ape on April 04, 2014, 12:42:07 PM
Does she work?
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: snx on April 04, 2014, 12:46:36 PM
Does she work?

Yep. A sr. management job in an office. Decent amount of stress, but not crippling stress.

I don't like playing "one up", but her stress at work is about 50% of what I have. And we both agree on that.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2014, 12:48:42 PM
Of course they do !....
....Not with each other though.

WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

lol!!!
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: 240 is Back on April 04, 2014, 12:49:15 PM
The Five Love Languages

The Five Love Languages: How to Express Heartfelt Commitment to Your Mate is a 1995 faith-based book by Gary Chapman.[1] It outlines five ways to express and experience love that Chapman calls "love languages": gifts, quality time, words of affirmation, acts of service, and physical touch.[2] Chapman's book claims that the list of five love languages is exhaustive.[3] Chapman argues that, emotionally, people need to receive love.[4] He also writes that people should not use the love languages that they like the most but rather the love languages that their loved ones can receive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Love_Languages

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great book!  One was sent to me by a very wise & caring person... changed my marriage.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: snx on April 04, 2014, 12:58:21 PM
That wasn't very nice of her, what she said.  :-[

It could be that her drive is really that much lower than yours, in which case you'll be pesky trying to turn her on, or there's something else at work. So...her not wanting sex could be anything else besides not wanting sex...stress at work, insecurity, unresolved issues, etc.

You're going to have to figure out why it takes so much for her to consent to sex. If you've told her that sex is one of the few ways you feel close to her, and she won't go to bed more often...that's sad. If she told you that love notes, dinner, and asparagus made her feel loved or close to you, you should be all up on that writing a note that dinner will be asparagus.

Hi The Boob (fun to write that one):

I've been surrounding the issue and digging at various points to try and find reasons.

She's said "I feel unfulfilled at work". So I took a new higher stress job to make more money, so she could quit her job, find her dream job, and go get it. Which she did.

She's said "the kids drive me crazy - I have no time to be anything but a mom". So I took over getting the kids ready in the morning, making lunches, driving them to school.

She's said "all I do is chores". So I do all the laundry and cooking now (I love cooking, so I've always done that), and dishes. I draw the line at cleaning the bathroom. I'd rather be celibate.

She's said she hates grocery shopping...so I do that and take the kids with me so she has a couple of hours per week to just hang around the house and de-compress.

She's said she doesn't feel pretty, so I fund a twice monthly spa/haircut appt with a stylist. And I took a portion of my bonus this year, and just turned it over to her "no strings attached" to go on a killer shopping spree.

She's said she has no time to let her hair down with her friends. So I paid for a trip for her and her two girlfriends two months ago to an exclusive spa to do girly crap at the spa.

Often, her excuse is just "I don't feel sexy". But I make sure I remind her daily that I love her, and how attractive I think she is. I think she thinks I'm saying that to "try and score" or I'm "just saying it".

So I am trying. This is not an exhaustive list, and I'm not doing it to create a sense of entitlement for either of us. But merely to illustrate I'm trying.

And I'm not willing to give up. I'll try the next thing.  I haven't bought lingerie or anything like that for her. Maybe that's the next step? Seems obviously self-serving on my part, which is why I've avoided it.

I know there's one thing this board hasn't asked (and I'm surprised): no one has said "hey snx, maybe you just suck in bed and are hung like a sparrow". I don't, and I'm not, but I know no one here will believe that. That's ok. I'm just very sure it's not that, and I won't go into gory details because frankly, that's just rude! :-)
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Grape Ape on April 04, 2014, 12:58:44 PM
Yep. A sr. management job in an office. Decent amount of stress, but not crippling stress.

I don't like playing "one up", but her stress at work is about 50% of what I have. And we both agree on that.

Probably tired a lot.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: snx on April 04, 2014, 01:02:29 PM
Probably tired a lot.

You're probably right.

She's been tired for a long time...

LOL
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: _aj_ on April 04, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
Hi The Boob (fun to write that one):

I've been surrounding the issue and digging at various points to try and find reasons.

She's said "I feel unfulfilled at work". So I took a new higher stress job to make more money, so she could quit her job, find her dream job, and go get it. Which she did.

She's said "the kids drive me crazy - I have no time to be anything but a mom". So I took over getting the kids ready in the morning, making lunches, driving them to school.

She's said "all I do is chores". So I do all the laundry and cooking now (I love cooking, so I've always done that), and dishes. I draw the line at cleaning the bathroom. I'd rather be celibate.

She's said she hates grocery shopping...so I do that and take the kids with me so she has a couple of hours per week to just hang around the house and de-compress.

She's said she doesn't feel pretty, so I fund a twice monthly spa/haircut appt with a stylist. And I took a portion of my bonus this year, and just turned it over to her "no strings attached" to go on a killer shopping spree.

She's said she has no time to let her hair down with her friends. So I paid for a trip for her and her two girlfriends two months ago to an exclusive spa to do girly crap at the spa.

Often, her excuse is just "I don't feel sexy". But I make sure I remind her daily that I love her, and how attractive I think she is. I think she thinks I'm saying that to "try and score" or I'm "just saying it".

So I am trying. This is not an exhaustive list, and I'm not doing it to create a sense of entitlement for either of us. But merely to illustrate I'm trying.

And I'm not willing to give up. I'll try the next thing.  I haven't bought lingerie or anything like that for her. Maybe that's the next step? Seems obviously self-serving on my part, which is why I've avoided it.

I know there's one thing this board hasn't asked (and I'm surprised): no one has said "hey snx, maybe you just suck in bed and are hung like a sparrow". I don't, and I'm not, but I know no one here will believe that. That's ok. I'm just very sure it's not that, and I won't go into gory details because frankly, that's just rude! :-)


Wow, you do a heck of a lot for her. My wife is happiest when I notice her...a lot. That doesn't appear to be working for you guys.

Sounds like marriage counseling might be a thing. If nothing else, bringing it up might shake some dust out.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Simple Simon on April 04, 2014, 01:53:21 PM
Hi The Boob (fun to write that one):

I've been surrounding the issue and digging at various points to try and find reasons.

She's said "I feel unfulfilled at work". So I took a new higher stress job to make more money, so she could quit her job, find her dream job, and go get it. Which she did.

She's said "the kids drive me crazy - I have no time to be anything but a mom". So I took over getting the kids ready in the morning, making lunches, driving them to school.

She's said "all I do is chores". So I do all the laundry and cooking now (I love cooking, so I've always done that), and dishes. I draw the line at cleaning the bathroom. I'd rather be celibate.

She's said she hates grocery shopping...so I do that and take the kids with me so she has a couple of hours per week to just hang around the house and de-compress.

She's said she doesn't feel pretty, so I fund a twice monthly spa/haircut appt with a stylist. And I took a portion of my bonus this year, and just turned it over to her "no strings attached" to go on a killer shopping spree.

She's said she has no time to let her hair down with her friends. So I paid for a trip for her and her two girlfriends two months ago to an exclusive spa to do girly crap at the spa.

Often, her excuse is just "I don't feel sexy". But I make sure I remind her daily that I love her, and how attractive I think she is. I think she thinks I'm saying that to "try and score" or I'm "just saying it".

So I am trying. This is not an exhaustive list, and I'm not doing it to create a sense of entitlement for either of us. But merely to illustrate I'm trying.

And I'm not willing to give up. I'll try the next thing.  I haven't bought lingerie or anything like that for her. Maybe that's the next step? Seems obviously self-serving on my part, which is why I've avoided it.

I know there's one thing this board hasn't asked (and I'm surprised): no one has said "hey snx, maybe you just suck in bed and are hung like a sparrow". I don't, and I'm not, but I know no one here will believe that. That's ok. I'm just very sure it's not that, and I won't go into gory details because frankly, that's just rude! :-)


Shes taking the piss.


That is all.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: The Ugly on April 04, 2014, 01:59:27 PM
Shes taking the piss.


That is all.

Please clarify for us Yanks.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: King Shizzo on April 04, 2014, 02:46:55 PM
Please clarify for us Yanks.
She is using the bathroom.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: no one on April 04, 2014, 02:54:33 PM
Wow...you and I have a lot in common too. I doubt we'll ever meet in real life, and if we did, we'd probably never say this shit to each other, but I'm glad we get to talk to each other here at least. I can tell you this; if I ever run into you, first beer is on me. Even as a card carrying male, you gotta talk about shit once in a while with someone.

That's refreshing and reassuring, to say the least. There's probably a lot of guys like us; guys who have a hard time opening up, and just want a girl to lay down with us and understand that us doing that, with them, is the primary way we show affection and commitment. But of course, there's a lot of women out there who aren't wired that way. '

Hence, men from mars, women from venus, and all that other dime store psychology.

I guess what's not refreshing is the potential outcome you've laid out - it is kind of scary. Not that you were trying to scare me, but I don't like thinking about life without her or the kids. Of course, I know that's certainly a potential outcome if things get bad. As you rightfully pointed out, there are feelings of resentment and distance that creep in when I'm not able to connect physically (seeing as how it's one of the few ways I feel good at showing her I care about her). But I'm trying real hard each day to push those to the background, and focus on ways to turn her on more.

I guess that's what it comes down to. I'm a guy, so naturally, I think like a guy. I think "shit, if I were a woman, I'd want a man who's all jacked up". So I focus on that. It hasn't really worked with her. Then I think "well, if I were a woman, I'd want a man who makes all kinds of money". So I do that; hasn't really changed the bedroom scene much. I know she enjoys the safety of money, but that hasn't translated to the boudoir, so to speak. Then I think "well, if I act all aloof and like I don't need sex, then she'll want it more because she'll see I'm not so desperate." That hasn't worked; she has way more patience than I do, and I just sit there and watch the pot boil. She'll go a month or more if I don't act.

I'm really trying now, more than ever, to show her I care using language I think she'll be receptive to. I'm trying to look at it through her lens. I'm doing more chores around the house, so she's not so exhausted by it all; I'm getting the kids out from underneath her feet more, so she's given time to feel like a woman instead of a mom. I'm trying to support her professional growth so she's allowed to nurture those aspirations. Of course, I don't get a lot out of doing those things personally (well, I like spending time the kids), but I'm hoping she does and there's a recognition there. It's kind of my last straw. I don't have much else I can do, do I?

I mean, what would I try next? And this is not rhetorical; I will try anything that's reasonable. Knowing getbig, I realize what I've just asked with this question, so I anticipate some good lol's too.

If it's as you say, that the problem is her drive doesn't match mine, then we are indeed mismatched. That's pretty spooky. I did commit to her, for better or worse. I assume that "worse" can mean that her drive doesn't match mine, and never will. And that it's my job to be ok with it. I guess that's just not how I anticipated going through the prime of my life; I'd do it for her if I had to, because she's my best friend and I'll do anything for my friends. That's a sacrifice, but there are harder sacrifices one can make.

When I run out of options, I'll go the pharmaceutical route. Get on something to keep my anabolic, but also use something to kill the sex drive. I have no idea what that would be. But I do know I'm not walking out because she's not hot for me in the bedroom. If it is that her and I don't match, there will need to be some other strength to the relationship to keep us together. Even if it's just to make sure the kids grow up with mom and dad together in a loving household. There's enough screwed up kids out there without me adding a few more to the mix. And she's a great person; she doesn't deserve to have her life turned upside down because I'm not getting laid.

And of course, I know you're not telling me to leave my wife. I guess I'm really responding to the frankness of your post with my own heartfelt emotion. Trust me when I tell you; your words have really hit home.


Oh, and to AJ. I tried some stuff yesterday about trying to vocalize more of what I'd like. It didn't go too well. The minute we sat down to watch TV, I started with a little foot rub, which she always likes. The first words out of her mouth (predictably); "oh, I'm not horny tonight". To which I said, "hey, that's ok. How about you get a foot rub, and then I get a massage. Just want to be close". And then she said "no thanks. Not tonight. Why don't you fire up the computer."

At which point, I think I commented that I had no idea I'd married a eunuch. I think that might have been a tad overboard. LOL. Hey, I'm trying too here...cut me some friggin slack! LOL!.


I wouldn't say this to many people I don't know but for whatever it's worth your a good fucking man bro. the world would be a better place if everyone showed the commitment to their relationships and the love you have for your woman, to one another.

I hope you find a welcome resolution to your problem, and that you and the wifey find yourselves at the end of the road grey haired and holding hands.

cheers brother.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: The Ugly on April 04, 2014, 02:55:06 PM
She is using the bathroom.

I see what you did.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: TEH boob on April 04, 2014, 04:39:09 PM
SNX you're doing your part and being a very supportive husband. My advice, DON'T buy her lingerie. A woman who says she "doesn't feel sexy" + lingerie is a very very bad idea.

Sounds to me like she's unhappy with everything. She's going to have to fix that. Help her with her outlook, don't do any more things that are band aid solutions. Getting her hair done ten times month will not make her feel pretty. Feeling pretty will make her feel pretty.

Talk to her
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Primemuscle on April 04, 2014, 07:11:14 PM
Wow...you and I have a lot in common too. I doubt we'll ever meet in real life, and if we did, we'd probably never say this shit to each other, but I'm glad we get to talk to each other here at least. I can tell you this; if I ever run into you, first beer is on me. Even as a card carrying male, you gotta talk about shit once in a while with someone.

That's refreshing and reassuring, to say the least. There's probably a lot of guys like us; guys who have a hard time opening up, and just want a girl to lay down with us and understand that us doing that, with them, is the primary way we show affection and commitment. But of course, there's a lot of women out there who aren't wired that way. '

Hence, men from mars, women from venus, and all that other dime store psychology.

I guess what's not refreshing is the potential outcome you've laid out - it is kind of scary. Not that you were trying to scare me, but I don't like thinking about life without her or the kids. Of course, I know that's certainly a potential outcome if things get bad. As you rightfully pointed out, there are feelings of resentment and distance that creep in when I'm not able to connect physically (seeing as how it's one of the few ways I feel good at showing her I care about her). But I'm trying real hard each day to push those to the background, and focus on ways to turn her on more.

I guess that's what it comes down to. I'm a guy, so naturally, I think like a guy. I think "shit, if I were a woman, I'd want a man who's all jacked up". So I focus on that. It hasn't really worked with her. Then I think "well, if I were a woman, I'd want a man who makes all kinds of money". So I do that; hasn't really changed the bedroom scene much. I know she enjoys the safety of money, but that hasn't translated to the boudoir, so to speak. Then I think "well, if I act all aloof and like I don't need sex, then she'll want it more because she'll see I'm not so desperate." That hasn't worked; she has way more patience than I do, and I just sit there and watch the pot boil. She'll go a month or more if I don't act.

I'm really trying now, more than ever, to show her I care using language I think she'll be receptive to. I'm trying to look at it through her lens. I'm doing more chores around the house, so she's not so exhausted by it all; I'm getting the kids out from underneath her feet more, so she's given time to feel like a woman instead of a mom. I'm trying to support her professional growth so she's allowed to nurture those aspirations. Of course, I don't get a lot out of doing those things personally (well, I like spending time the kids), but I'm hoping she does and there's a recognition there. It's kind of my last straw. I don't have much else I can do, do I?

I mean, what would I try next? And this is not rhetorical; I will try anything that's reasonable. Knowing getbig, I realize what I've just asked with this question, so I anticipate some good lol's too.

If it's as you say, that the problem is her drive doesn't match mine, then we are indeed mismatched. That's pretty spooky. I did commit to her, for better or worse. I assume that "worse" can mean that her drive doesn't match mine, and never will. And that it's my job to be ok with it. I guess that's just not how I anticipated going through the prime of my life; I'd do it for her if I had to, because she's my best friend and I'll do anything for my friends. That's a sacrifice, but there are harder sacrifices one can make.

When I run out of options, I'll go the pharmaceutical route. Get on something to keep my anabolic, but also use something to kill the sex drive. I have no idea what that would be. But I do know I'm not walking out because she's not hot for me in the bedroom. If it is that her and I don't match, there will need to be some other strength to the relationship to keep us together. Even if it's just to make sure the kids grow up with mom and dad together in a loving household. There's enough screwed up kids out there without me adding a few more to the mix. And she's a great person; she doesn't deserve to have her life turned upside down because I'm not getting laid.

And of course, I know you're not telling me to leave my wife. I guess I'm really responding to the frankness of your post with my own heartfelt emotion. Trust me when I tell you; your words have really hit home.


Oh, and to AJ. I tried some stuff yesterday about trying to vocalize more of what I'd like. It didn't go too well. The minute we sat down to watch TV, I started with a little foot rub, which she always likes. The first words out of her mouth (predictably); "oh, I'm not horny tonight". To which I said, "hey, that's ok. How about you get a foot rub, and then I get a massage. Just want to be close". And then she said "no thanks. Not tonight. Why don't you fire up the computer."

At which point, I think I commented that I had no idea I'd married a eunuch. I think that might have been a tad overboard. LOL. Hey, I'm trying too here...cut me some friggin slack! LOL!.

Everything you do for your wife, which are all good things, you seem to do with the hope of getting laid. Don't think she hasn't figured this out. Women can be very intuitive.

Obviously, you have a healthy sex drive. Your wife seems not to, based on your account. Unfortunately, while you may be compatible in many ways, sexually you are mismatched. I think this is a huge problem for both of you and could be driving you apart. I recommend you and her see a marriage counselor. Your sexual needs should not go unsatisfied and her lack of them needs to be addressed. What you are currently doing, is unlikely to make either of you happy in the long term.

My wife and I have not had sex in years, but we are intimate and affectionate all the time. In our case, we are comfortable with our situation and being senior citizens, our individual sex drives are pretty nil these days. Thank goodness for that since we will be married for 50 years come next October. Neither of us is going anywhere anytime soon.

Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Teutonic Knight on April 04, 2014, 07:13:48 PM
baby mama pussy is the gold standard


why do you think i still crave it everyday after 7 years of hitting it ???

No PICTORS, no evidence.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: The Ugly on April 04, 2014, 08:08:40 PM
Rohypnol?
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: King Shizzo on April 04, 2014, 08:42:16 PM
Everything you do for your wife, which are all good things, you seem to do with the hope of getting laid. Don't think she hasn't figured this out. Women can be very intuitive.

Obviously, you have a healthy sex drive. Your wife seems not to, based on your account. Unfortunately, while you may be compatible in many ways, sexually you are mismatched. I think this is a huge problem for both of you and could be driving you apart. I recommend you and her see a marriage counselor. Your sexual needs should not go unsatisfied and her lack of them needs to be addressed. What you are currently doing, is unlikely to make either of you happy in the long term.

My wife and I have not had sex in years, but we are intimate and affectionate all the time. In our case, we are comfortable with our situation and being senior citizens, our individual sex drives are pretty nil these days. Thank goodness for that since we will be married for 50 years come next October. Neither of us is going anywhere anytime soon.


Just hoping for the best of health for the both of you.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Bertha Butt on April 04, 2014, 11:31:12 PM
I mean, what would I try next? And this is not rhetorical; I will try anything that's reasonable. Knowing getbig, I realize what I've just asked with this question, so I anticipate some good lol's too.

A very stupid question, but have you asked her what she wants?
We can only guess, only she could now what she wants from you.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Bertha Butt on April 04, 2014, 11:43:58 PM
That's the weird thing...HJ's are even off the table if she's not feeling up to it. It's not really that hard...I've been doing them to myself for years. LOL.

 ???
If a woman is not into sex, why would she be into BJ's/HJ's? They're still forms of sex...
She's having issues being intimate, and handling an erect penis is quite intimate.


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Menopause is about 10 years off for her, so she won't get meno treatment now. About all they'd do is counsel her on sex drive, and since most women don't complain about low sex drive, there aren't a lot of doctors out there well versed in helping women treat that problem. If she in fact does have a physiological problem.

Another stupid question: is she on the pill? Maybe switching to another pill or stopping could restore her libido.
One of the pills I tried really killed my libido, went from nearly nympho to eunuch. Other pills just made the libido less. Now I'm off the pill, my libido is back to nearly nympho. So that could really make a difference, and most doctors don't care about that aspect of contraception medication.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Bertha Butt on April 05, 2014, 12:27:02 AM
She's said "I feel unfulfilled at work". So I took a new higher stress job to make more money, so she could quit her job, find her dream job, and go get it. Which she did.

She's said "the kids drive me crazy - I have no time to be anything but a mom". So I took over getting the kids ready in the morning, making lunches, driving them to school.

She's said "all I do is chores". So I do all the laundry and cooking now (I love cooking, so I've always done that), and dishes. I draw the line at cleaning the bathroom. I'd rather be celibate.

She's said she hates grocery shopping...so I do that and take the kids with me so she has a couple of hours per week to just hang around the house and de-compress.

She's said she doesn't feel pretty, so I fund a twice monthly spa/haircut appt with a stylist. And I took a portion of my bonus this year, and just turned it over to her "no strings attached" to go on a killer shopping spree.

She's said she has no time to let her hair down with her friends. So I paid for a trip for her and her two girlfriends two months ago to an exclusive spa to do girly crap at the spa.

I think you're a really loving and caring buy!

Have you asked her if she wanted all what you did for her? Sounds silly, but sometimes women just want to vent their thoughts and emotions, and not have those problems solved by someone else. Just someone listening.

I had a bad time when having a burn out, and Phreak did all he could to solve any problem I ran into. Awfully nice of him, but it made me feel inadequate. I've now learned to make clear that I'm just venting my thoughts, and he should not act upon them. If I'm not clear, he will ask if I want help. Sounds strange for bystanders, but it helps.


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Often, her excuse is just "I don't feel sexy". But I make sure I remind her daily that I love her, and how attractive I think she is. I think she thinks I'm saying that to "try and score" or I'm "just saying it".

Can you read minds? Probably not. Ask her what she thinks.
Title: Re: Do couples married for more than twenty years still have sex?
Post by: Sophus on April 05, 2014, 03:18:59 AM
I still sex my gf everyday after 2 years of relationship now