NRA news conference

[avxo]

I don't consider chem or biologicals "armaments"... Some do for sure, but I do not.

Fair enough.

[Straw Man]

I don't consider chem or biologicals "armaments"... Some do for sure, but I do not.

there is no specificity in The Constitution so either everything should be available to everyone or we should be able to agree that things have changed A LOT since this country was founded and we the people have the right to make interpretations (and we know this is true) for the benefit and security of every citizen.

We can debate the details but it's either everything goes or we have the right to make some distinctions

[tu_holmes]

there is no specificity in The Constitution so either everything should be available to everyone or we should be able to agree that things have changed A LOT since this country was founded and we the people have the right to make interpretations (and we know this is true) for the benefit and security of every citizen.

We can debate the details but it's either everything goes or we have the right to make some distinctions

Well, it seems to me that you are talking about "Gun Ownership" right?

I think that is what he is saying

basically there is no law that will stop ALL gun violence so therefore we should do nothing, well at least nothing in terms of laws to regulate gun ownership

So from your own words, I say that NO... we should not have ANY regulation regarding gun ownership and if you put guns on the same level as chemical or biological weapons, then you are simply making a leap that just isn't there.

I can't believe I'm even posting on threads on this goddam board again.

Fuck.

[MCWAY]

Do you actually believe the horseshit you wrote

Interesting that you believe "something" should be done but not "this gun control crap".
Even NRA members dont agree with you much less the majority of your fellow citizens

How in the world did your brain arrive at the conclusion that gun laws will turn insane people into "docile critters"?     I never said anything of the sort but somehow thats where your mind took you.    

Btw - nice touch with the devil worshiping part.   From what I've read he was politically aware and considered himself a conservative/libertarian

I arrive at the conclusion from the BS you've been spewing, ever since this incident took place last week.

[Straw Man]

Well, it seems to me that you are talking about "Gun Ownership" right?

I assume the founders were talking about guns since that's pretty much all they had at the time (I guess that and cannons) and the text mentions a "well regulated  militia"
Fast forward 200+ years and well regulated militia is now our modern military which includes all kinds of new "arms"

So from your own words, I say that NO... we should not have ANY regulation regarding gun ownership and if you put guns on the same level as chemical or biological weapons, then you are simply making a leap that just isn't there.

I can't believe I'm even posting on threads on this goddam board again.

Fuck.

LOL - I feel that same way most of the time

I think we can definitely have some regulations and obviously admit that we've got to also try to attack the problem for other angles as well
Most of these mass murder shooter types are mentally ill and after the fact we hear their friends, family, neighbor, etc.. saying they knew something  was wrong with them for a long time
There are also cases where these people do  get stopped before they go through with the act and it's usually a vigilant family member, friend or someone who alerts the authorities
Those cases stay in the news for about 10 second so we never even remember them but it does happen but we'll obviously never stop them all

[MCWAY]

we can start with the ones that have large support among NRA members and go from there

Here is a poll from July 2012 (and conducted by Frank Luntz)

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/poll-07-24-2012.pdf

• 74 percent of NRA members and 87 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun.
• 79 percent of NRA members and 80 percent of non-NRA gun owners support requiring gun retailers to perform background checks on all employees - a measure recently endorsed by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the firearms industry.

• 75 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors, including assault.

• 74 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.

• 68 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.

• 63 percent of NRA members believe permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.

• The NRA rank and file also supports barring people on terror watch lists from buying guns (71 percent) and believe the law should require gun owners to alert police to lost and stolen guns (64 percent). The NRA's Washington office strongly opposes both measures.

Lanza's mother obeyed these laws, as far as we know.

None of those issues deal with what happened, namely Lanza stealing his mama's legally-purchased weapon and KILLING HER and all those kids.

[tu_holmes]

I assume the founders were talking about guns since that's pretty much all they had at the time (I guess that and cannons) and the text mentions a "well regulated  militia"
Fast forward 200+ years and well regulated militia is now our modern military which includes all kinds of new "arms"


LOL - I feel that same way most of the time

I think we can definitely have some regulations and obviously admit that we've got to also try to attack the problem for other angles as well
Most of these mass murder shooter types are mentally ill and after the fact we hear their friends, family, neighbor, etc.. saying they knew something  was wrong with them for a long time
There are also cases where these people do  get stopped before they go through with the act and it's usually a vigilant family member, friend or someone who alerts the authorities
Those cases stay in the news for about 10 second so we never even remember them but it does happen but we'll obviously never stop them all

True, but chem and bio are against the geneva convention, so if it's against the GC, then I'm ok with saying we don't need those either... Everything else is pretty much fair game.

[magikusar]

guy was rational

If there had been an armed guard, the shooters possibly would have been stopped.

Same if woman teacher could carry 22 in her purse.

Taking gun from law abiding ciizens makes them less safe and saves fewer lives.

Obama and democrats are again wrong.

Where do they grow these idiots?

[Straw Man]

I arrive at the conclusion from the BS you've been spewing, ever since this incident took place last week.

great answer

how about you post one or two of my "BS" statements that let you to believe that

"this take of yours that murderous, devil-worshipping madmen, hell-bent on carnage, are suddenly going to become docile critters, because of some stupid left-winged, Obama-endorsed law (disarming law-abiding citizens)" 

please show us which dots you connected to arrive at that idiotic conclusion

[Straw Man]

Lanza's mother obeyed these laws, as far as we know.

None of those issues deal with what happened, namely Lanza stealing his mama's legally-purchased weapon and KILLING HER and all those kids.

go tell that to the NRA members  who are in broad support of all of those ideas

btw - how do you know that Lanza mother completed a gun safety course

Maybe that one simple thing alone would have included some info on keeping your guns secure and away from any potentially crazy or violent family member

What if she just locked up those guns and made sure NO ONE could access them other than her

That one simple thing could have potentially prevented the massacre of 28 people

[MCWAY]

great answer

how about you post one or two of my "BS" statements that let you to believe that

"this take of yours that murderous, devil-worshipping madmen, hell-bent on carnage, are suddenly going to become docile critters, because of some stupid left-winged, Obama-endorsed law (disarming law-abiding citizens)" 

please show us which dots you connected to arrive at that idiotic conclusion

Your entire premise of posts fail to deal with what ACTUALLY happened (i.e. a madman took someone else's legally-purchased gun and SHOT the owner, his mother, and two dozen other people).

Instead, they deal with taking legally-purchased weapons from law-abiding citizens or making such harder to procure.

[Straw Man]

True, but chem and bio are against the geneva convention, so if it's against the GC, then I'm ok with saying we don't need those either... Everything else is pretty much fair game.

Rocket Launcher which anyone nut bag could potentially use to shoot down a plane or a heavy machine gun or well, you get the idea

I know what you're saying and hopefully it's pretty obvious that I think we have the right as a people to impose some limitations and restrictions for the safety and actually for the freedom of us all

[Straw Man]

Your entire premise of posts fail to deal with what ACTUALLY happened (i.e. a madman took someone else's legally-purchased gun and SHOT the owner, his mother, and two dozen other people).

Instead, they deal with taking legally-purchased weapons from law-abiding citizens or making such harder to procure.

so you can't actually find one or two quotes from me that led you to draw your totally idiotic conclusion ?

[MCWAY]

go tell that to the NRA members  who are in broad support of all of those ideas

btw - how do you know that Lanza mother completed a gun safety course

Maybe that one simple thing alone would have included some info on keeping your guns secure and away from any potentially crazy or violent family member

What if she just locked up those guns and made sure NO ONE could access them other than her

That one simple thing could have potentially prevented the massacre of 28 people

How do you know she didn't complete the course or that she didn't take such precautions?

In typical, boneheaded lib fashion, you focus on everything and anything BUT THE KILLER HIMSELF.

You blame the gun; you blame the NRA; you blame Lanza's mother; you blame the 2nd amendment.

so you can't actually find one or two quotes from me that led you to draw your totally idiotic conclusion ?

Sure I can. Your previous post just became another dot. Thanks!

This horrible tragedy is all on ADAM LANZA, period. BTW, you can chalk up this post as another dot.

[MCWAY]

Has absolutely NOTHING to do with the statement I made.  My statement was about the NRA ranks and a knock about their members.  Not Obama.  Not Chicago.  Not black on black crime.  Nor any color on any color crime at all.

Sure it does. Gun crimes happen in Obama's city on a regular basis. Yet, because it's black people killing each other, Obama can't be bothered.

Yet, little white kids get massacred (conveniently after Obama's re-election), Obama sees it as an opportunity to push the left's anti-gun agenda.

How come Obama and his liberal buddies don't want to have this "serious conversation" about gun violence, when black kids get shot...unless they get shot by (what they perceived to be) white people?

[Straw Man]

How do you know she didn't complete the course or that she didn't take such precautions?

In typical, boneheaded lib fashion, you focus on everything and anything BUT THE KILLER HIMSELF.

You blame the gun; you blame the NRA; you blame Lanza's mother; you blame the 2nd amendment.

Sure I can. Your previous post just became another dot. Thanks!

This horrible tragedy is all on ADAM LANZA, period. BTW, you can chalk up this post as another dot.

I don't know if she took a course or not but you claimed that SHE DID all of those things

I do know that she didn't secure her weapons so that ONLY SHE could get at them

You still can't point to anything I've said which allowed YOU to reach a completely idiotic conclusion and keep in mind it's YOUR CONCLUSION and not mine

I never said any law would have turned a crazy nutjob into a "docile critter"

It's a moronic statement and all I've asked is which of my statements you read to reach that stupid conclusion

why is that so hard for you?

[Straw Man]

Sure it does. Gun crimes happen in Obama's city on a regular basis. Yet, because it's black people killing each other, Obama can't be bothered.

Yet, little white kids get massacred (conveniently after Obama's re-election), Obama sees it as an opportunity to push the left's anti-gun agenda.

How come Obama and his liberal buddies don't want to have this "serious conversation" about gun violence, when black kids get shot...unless they get shot by (what they perceived to be) white people?

dude you are all over the map

what does gun violence in Chicago have to do with Obama or even the shooting in Newton

you seem highly emotional about this issue

more  so than you usually do

you're making totally stupid statements that you can't even explain how you derived them

what's really going on here ?

[MCWAY]

dude you are all over the map

what does gun violence in Chicago have to do with Obama or even the shooting in Newton

Simple! Both have to do with gun violence and the killing of our youth. But, as stated earlier, Obama and his friends don't seem to want to have this "serious conversation", when black folk pop each other.

you seem highly emotional about this issue

more  so than you usually do

you're making totally stupid statements that you can't even explain how you derived them

what's really going on here ?

The stupid statements are summations of YOUR words which are basically....STUPID STATEMENTS.

Exploiting this tragedy to push more liberal crap gets on my nerve, especially when people (much like you) focus on the WRONG part of the problem, namely the instruments used in the killing vs. THE PEOPLE DOING THE KILLING!!

[Straw Man]

Simple! Both have to do with gun violence and the killing of our youth. But, as stated earlier, Obama and his friends don't seem to want to have this "serious conversation", when black folk pop each other.

Here's the deal

just because you make an idiotic claim does not means it's true or even has a speck of truth

The stupid statements are summations of YOUR words which are basically....STUPID STATEMENTS.

Exploiting this tragedy to push more liberal crap gets on my nerve, especially when people (much like you) focus on the WRONG part of the problem, namely the instruments used in the killing vs. THE PEOPLE DOING THE KILLING!!

nothing I've written has said, suggested or even implied that stricter gun regulations would turn a crazy person into a "docile critter"

that is such a bizarro conclusion on your part that I assumed you had based it on something specific

I see now that it's just your hyper emotional state that is making you completely irrational to the point of being crazy

[Soul Crusher]

I assumed NOTHING

I answered your SPECIFIC QUESTION which was  "You believe that all these deaths due to guns wouldnt have happend by other means if guns were not available?"

the answer of course is an obvious YES, those deaths  would not have happened or at least not in anywhere near the number

it's such an obvious YES I don't know why you even asked the question

If you don't like the answer then why did you ask that question?

Ever hear of a bomb or suicide vest or arson or poisoning?

[MCWAY]

Here's the deal

just because you make an idiotic claim does not means it's true or even has a speck of truth

I'm sorry! How many talks and press conferences about gun control has Obama started, after black kids get shot up by other black people, again?

nothing I've written has said, suggested or even implied that stricter gun regulations would turn a crazy person into a "docile critter"

that is such a bizarro conclusion on your part that I assumed you had based it on something specific

I see now that it's just your hyper emotional state that is making you completely irrational to the point of being crazy

Au contraire!! You have focused on everything but the killer himself. You assume the mother was negligent; you assume the NRA was negligent; you are taking the accountability off the monster responsible, and instead you pretend some law, yanking people's firearms, could have stopped this act or will stop acts like this in the future.

[Straw Man]

I'm sorry! How many talks and press conferences about gun control has Obama started, after black kids get shot up by other black people, again?

Au contraire!! You have focused on everything but the killer himself. You assume the mother was negligent; you assume the NRA was negligent; you are taking the accountability off the monster responsible, and instead you pretend some law, yanking people's firearms, could have stopped this act or will stop acts like this in the future.

you're delusional buddy

I never said the NRA was negligent and the FIRST time I suggested the mother was negligent was only a few posts ago when I asked how you knew she didn't take a safety course so you couldn't have drawn your idiotic conclusion on page 1 of this thread from a post on page 3

I've also never written that we should yank people fire arms or that a law could have prevented this act or stopped future acts and in fact I said it would NOT

what is it with you just making up shit out of thin air and then pretending it's fact

I asked you to go find my specific post that led to you moronic conclusion on page 1 of this thread and so far you haven't been able to post even one

You so completely out of touch with reality I'm hoping for the sake of people around you that you don't have a gun

[Soul Crusher]

So why support new gun control measures then? 

you're delusional buddy

I never said the NRA was negligent and the FIRST time I suggested the mother was negligent was only a few posts ago when I asked how you knew she didn't take a safety course so you couldn't have drawn your idiotic conclusion on page 1 of this thread from a post on page 3

I've also never written that we should yank people fire arms or that a law could have prevented this act or stopped future acts and in fact I said it would NOT

what is it with you just making up shit out of thin air and then pretending it's fact

I asked you to go find my specific post that led to you moronic conclusion on page 1 of this thread and so far you haven't been able to post even one

You so completely out of touch with reality I'm hoping for the sake of people around you that you don't have a gun

[MCWAY]

you're delusional buddy

I never said the NRA was negligent and the FIRST time I suggested the mother was negligent was only a few posts ago when I asked how you knew she didn't take a safety course so you couldn't have drawn your idiotic conclusion on page 1 of this thread from a post on page 3

I've also never written that we should yank people fire arms or that a law could have prevented this act or stopped future acts and in fact I said it would NOT

what is it with you just making up shit out of thin air and then pretending it's fact

I asked you to go find my specific post that led to you moronic conclusion on page 1 of this thread and so
far you haven't been able to post even one

You so completely out of touch with reality I'm hoping for the sake of people around you that you don't have a gun

Not only have I posted one, I cited that specifically as yet another "dot", as you like to call it.

But since your memory is shot:

Maybe that one simple thing alone would have included some info on keeping your guns secure and away from any potentially crazy or violent family member

What if she just locked up those guns and made sure NO ONE could access them other than her

That one simple thing could have potentially prevented the massacre of 28 people

Preceded by.....



the basic premise is that in order to protect ourselves from their product (well not "theirs" but what they exist to advocate) they suggest we put armed guard in every school in the country

basically we need to turn ourselves into an armed police state in order to protect ourselves from their product rather than putting some sensible and highly supported restrictions on their product

And, that's just a small snippet of the drivel you've been citing.

Once again, putting the focus on the NRA and the guns, instead of the KILLERS.

[240 is Back]

every school.... 800 to 1500 kids.

easy target for domestic shooters, foreign terr'ists, restraining order parents, hostage-seekers, etc...

Try to estimate the value of 1000 kids lined up.   Then tell me, with the bloated school budgets and 40,000$ smart board projecters in every classroom, they cannot afford $140 a day for a cop to hang out in front office?   

I'm glad the NRA came out with this idea, but I was shouting this exact idea the minute the shooting happened.  One cop doesn't cost that much.  It'll be nice for kids to see a cop and grow up seeing them with a smile keeping them safe at school, not just giving tickets or taking daddy to jail.  I dont know any kids who would suddenly be scared because a friendly police officer is at their school.   Kids see cops like firefighters or astronauts.  Only the parents would have a stigma with it.