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Title: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Radical Plato on May 22, 2013, 01:27:59 AM
Hundreds youths hurling rocks, burning cars and smashing windows for the second day in a row in Stockholm say they are protesting against police brutality and inequality. In Sweden, critics of the multiculturalism policies lash out at immigration laws.

Seven policemen were injured, at least ten cars and countless containers set on fire, and dozens of windows smashed in several heavily immigrant-populated neighbourhoods of the Swedish capital on Tuesday.

The police said some 300 people are now taking part in riots, which started in protest against the shooting of a man allegedly armed with a knife in the Stockholm district of Husby. The protesters also cited beatings and ‘discriminative’ derogatory remarks of the officers.

The protester are mainly young, the police said. Of the seven rioters arrested on Tuesday only four were detained, two of them later released, and one turned out to be underage.

All of the men arrested on suspicion of violent rioting and assaulting a public official were aged between 15 and 19, the police said.

A burned-out van is prepared for removal after youths rioted in Husby, northern Stockholm on May 21, 2013 (AFP Photo / Jonathan Nackstrand)

Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt on Tuesday commented on the matter, urging a halt to the violence, but acknowledged in the short term that may be unlikely.

“We have groups of young men who think that that they can and should change society with violence. Let’s be clear: This is not okay. We cannot be ruled by violence,” Reinfeldt said as cited by the Local.

He also urged “everyone, including parents and adults” to help restore calm.

“Husby residents must get their neighborhood back,” Reinfeldt stressed, speaking of the district, where around 80 percent of about 11,000 residents are first- or second-generation immigrants. This particular district has seen employment increasing and crime falling in the last seven years, Reinfeldt added, speaking of the “right direction” it has been going.

Policemen extinguish burning cars after youths rioted in Husby, northern Stockholm on May 20, 2013 (AFP Photo / Fredrik Sandberg / Scanpix Sweden/ Sweden out)

But not everyone agreed with Reinfeldt’s assessment of immigrant-populated Swedish districts development, with critics saying the integration policies of the country – and that of the whole of Western Europe – are “not working.”

“This is a clear consequence of this multiculturalism politics that Sweden adopted around ‘80s and increased in the ‘90s... And this is not a unique one single occasion… we have had these ethnic-based riots against Swedish authorities. We have seen this in Western Europe, that is very sad, and I think we will see more of this, if we don’t change the politics,” the chairman of the Sweden’s National Democrats Party Marc Abramsson told RT.

While not elaborating on the incident that caused the current riots, Abramsson said all such incidents have a common “problem beneath” – that is, the immigrants not identifying themselves with the country’s society, nor accepting the country’s authorities, sticking only to their own ethnic group.

“Sweden has been trying harder than any of the countries in Europe to try to push for integration. We have invested virtually billions from taxpayers’ money into it, we have tried everything that the scientists have presented – and still it’s not working,” the politician argued.

“They live in their area, and they feel the area is their own. And when the police arrive, they feel they are you intruding into their, sort of, ‘country.’ The police… who work in these areas, there have to be in two cars, one protecting the other. People are trying to maintain buildings, to have security guards, the fire department can’t work, they get attacked by angry immigrant youth that feel like they’re intruding into their own area, even though they’re trying to help,” Abramsson went on to say.

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Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: honest on May 22, 2013, 01:49:18 AM
Europeans deserve it they elect governments that allow this filth to settle and breed, they have the right of democracy to back national parties that can adjust their immigration policies. Stuff the UN and its policies, does more bad than good these days.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 01:51:05 AM
And they will probably get off with slapped wrists and more welfare money.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 01:52:11 AM
Europeans deserve it they elect governments that allow this filth to settle and breed, they have the right of democracy to back national parties that can adjust their immigration policies. Stuff the UN and its policies, does more bad than good these days.

Yes at the end of the day, fools who have allowed this to happen DESERVE IT.   
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Luolamies on May 22, 2013, 02:42:23 AM
This is a growing trend all over scandinavia and it makes me wanna puke. They bring only problems and spit on the people helping them... Some towel head rapes women = slap on the wrist, an adult man gets attacked by some immigrant he punches him/them in self defense the victim gets legal problems and it's labeled a hate crime... I hate the governments of north europe/scandinavia they are running countries to the ground that we're doing exceptionally well just some years ago.

The police should just shoot on sight...
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 02:43:42 AM


The police should just be shot on sight...

fixed, because they are a part of the problem
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: bigmc on May 22, 2013, 02:46:40 AM
fixed, because they are a part of the problem

so bitter
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: G_Thang on May 22, 2013, 02:55:48 AM
This is a growing trend all over scandinavia and it makes me wanna puke. They bring only problems and spit on the people helping them... Some towel head rapes women = slap on the wrist, an adult man gets attacked by some immigrant he punches him/them in self defense the victim gets legal problems and it's labeled a hate crime... I hate the governments of north europe/scandinavia they are running countries to the ground that we're doing exceptionally well just some years ago.

The police should just shoot on sight...

Believe me I stand behind the Nordic women on this Arab issue. 
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 03:09:44 AM
Believe me I stand behind the Nordic women on this Arab issue. 

The time for the Crusades has returned.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: _bruce_ on May 22, 2013, 03:23:54 AM
The politicians have surrendered long time ago and are hoping that this is just a trend that goes away. They are also too busy consuming money from certain "friendly" states.
There's also too much delusional common folk which wishes for a fairy tale world where everybody is hip, fair and "peace" loving aka eternal bottom.

Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: James28 on May 22, 2013, 03:31:24 AM
An incompatible culture. You cannot drop animals into a civilization that gave the world everything and expect things to go well. These scum don't belong in Western countries.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 03:33:45 AM
An incompatible culture. You cannot drop animals into a civilization that gave the world everything and expect things to go well. These scum don't belong in Western countries.

Hell was made just for them.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: jon cole on May 22, 2013, 04:28:57 AM
An incompatible culture. You cannot drop animals into a civilization that gave the world everything and expect things to go well. These scum don't belong in Western countries.


they're still living in the middle age, they are archaic, supersititious, had problem with wife and sex.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Red Hook on May 22, 2013, 05:26:24 AM
An incompatible culture. You cannot drop animals into a civilization that gave the world everything and expect things to go well. These scum don't belong in Western countries.

Their religion is their way of life.. Once you let the people in you are also letting in their religion.

Most of religions will keep to themselves and life their lives. Muslim are compelled to spread their religion into your life.

once you let a few in you end up with an infestation.

Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Stephano on May 22, 2013, 05:34:10 AM
Their religion is their way of life.. Once you let the people in you are also letting in their religion.

Most of religions will keep to themselves and life their lives. Muslim are compelled to spread their religion into your life.

once you let a few in you end up with an infestation.



This is all true.  And whereas the rates of reproduction in most European countries are low enough to be termed "sub-replacement", the Muslims multiply like bacteria. So Europe is going to have a huge problem on its hands very soon.  It'll either go out with a whimper or a bang.  I only hope that Europeans can find the mettle to fight to preserve their culture and way of life.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Tito24 on May 22, 2013, 05:38:18 AM
you know what i thought when i heard that. these swedish people are cool i dont see them riot very soon. oh wait. they have these people too, muslims..
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Griffith on May 22, 2013, 05:49:26 AM
Once they're in the country have their passports and start a family, they're all there to stay.

The changes are then permanent.

People should think about their countries culture, history and future survival just like the Asian countries do such as Thailand, Cambodia, Japan, China, Korea etc.

If it applied equally to all countries in the world, then its a different issue, but how many whites are there in the Moslem countries?
Or India? Or Pakistan?
And even if whites did move there their numbers are too small to make a difference.

One day whites will be left without a country to call their own.

There is nothing wrong with protecting your heritage and culture as every single other country seems to do except the Western 'liberal' ones.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: littledumbells on May 22, 2013, 05:59:11 AM
An incompatible culture. You cannot drop animals into a civilization that gave the world everything and expect things to go well. These scum don't belong in Western countries.

  That pretty much sums it up
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 22, 2013, 06:03:10 AM
Their religion is their way of life.. Once you let the people in you are also letting in their religion.

Most of religions will keep to themselves and life their lives. Muslim are compelled to spread their religion into your life.

once you let a few in you end up with an infestation.



True.  You can't invite poor, uneducated and fanatically religous people into your country and hope for the best, especially when that group isolates itself from the native culture while also being deeply adverse to change/assimilation.  
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: slaveboy1980 on May 22, 2013, 06:06:47 AM
Once they're in the country have their passports and start a family, they're all there to stay.

The changes are then permanent.

People should think about their countries culture, history and future survival just like the Asian countries do such as Thailand, Cambodia, Japan, China, Korea etc.

If it applied equally to all countries in the world, then its a different issue, but how many whites are there in the Moslem countries?
Or India? Or Pakistan?
And even if whites did move there their numbers are too small to make a difference.

One day whites will be left without a country to call their own.

There is nothing wrong with protecting your heritage and culture as every single other country seems to do except the Western 'liberal' ones.

Yup. These countries are fucked. It's basically already too late. I don't see mass deportations happening anytime in the near future.

It's an absurd system. And anyone who questions it is a racist.  ::)

Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Rami on May 22, 2013, 06:23:13 AM
Lone cop facing down Islamic forces invading the suburbs of Stockholm, Sweden.

I don't think Sweden have a military force? They are pretty much gone now.

(http://i.imagebanana.com/img/86hks2xc/SNAG0364.jpg)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: slaveboy1980 on May 22, 2013, 06:26:37 AM
Lone cop facing down Islamic forces invading the suburbs of Stockholm, Sweden.

I don't think Sweden have a military force? They are pretty much gone now.

(http://i.imagebanana.com/img/86hks2xc/SNAG0364.jpg)

Send in the military and impose a curfew.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: James28 on May 22, 2013, 06:44:21 AM
Where's the apologists? Where's the social leftists?

Spoke to some friends in Stockholm that live close to ground zero. No females are going out alone. They're intimidated by filthy oil slicks from the bowels of the 3rd world. Apparently these feral apes are running around in commercial areas smashing windows and looting whatever they can.

They couldn't have picked a better, more PC-paralysed country than Sweden. Looking forward to see the media and political spin on this when the dust settles. They're 'un-engaged, poor, without hope' and it's Sweden's fault  ::)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: polychronopolous on May 22, 2013, 06:48:05 AM
"Swedish" "cop"  ::) ::) ::)

I take it they're paid to stand there unassertive looking and shivering in fear like a scalded dog whereas an American cop would have already had the billy club out and went to town on these savages.

Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 06:50:01 AM
If these were "whites" in America Obama would have called in the military.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Kwon_2 on May 22, 2013, 06:51:23 AM
I know.

I almost grabbed a Machine-gun and was going to do a "Breivik" with these masked muslims.

It crawls nearer and nearer every year, they are turning Sweden into the worst parts of USA
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 06:53:34 AM
I know.

I almost grabbed a Machine-gun and was going to do a "Breivik" with these masked muslims.

It crawls nearer and nearer every year, they are turning Sweden into the worst parts of USA

This is why Breivik is such a failure.  Think of the glory he could have achieved machine gunning a hundred of these dogs down?  He would be LOVED by millions. 
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: oldtimer1 on May 22, 2013, 06:54:57 AM
They should just turn over the country to these savages and move out. They are giving the country to these people slowly but surely. They deserve the violence they get.

If they want to save their country they should get their military and ask to see legal immigration papers then deport them. Throw all their belonging in the street and burn them. Have a law for a nation card of residency, work visa or tourism. This is to much you ask? The alternative is to turn the country into a hell hole. The country belongs to the Swedes not these savages.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Chadwick The Beta on May 22, 2013, 06:56:33 AM
There are those who laughed when President Reagan called for peace "through strength"

Many thought he was being macho, etc., they knew a "better" way to achieve peace...through "understanding" and "tolerance"

These phags are getting exactly what they deserve.  They won't recover.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: slaveboy1980 on May 22, 2013, 06:58:34 AM
The same thing is going on in every country that has a similar system. Mass immigration + welfare state is a disaster. It causes so many problems on so many levels.

The only people that should be allowed into Western Europe are people with specific skills and who can work for a living (and support their own family). There must be a stop to this madness.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: James28 on May 22, 2013, 06:58:39 AM
This is why Breivik is such a failure.  Think of the glory he could have achieved machine gunning a hundred of these dogs down?  He would be LOVED by millions. 

I'd have his fucking picture on my fridge had he done that.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 22, 2013, 10:30:02 AM
Completely stop immigration or cut the flow to a trickle.  Those that do get in must fit certain requirements.
Create strong laws against immigrant crime.  An immigrant commits a serious crime and they are deported.   Require citizen courses for all immigrants. Those that for any reason choose not to go are deported.  

Offer a resettlement package for any recent immigrant who does not wish to value, respect or follow the laws of the host country.  Within generation Europe would be on the road to recovery.  It's better to handle the situation this way.  Muslims are burning there bridges fast and the people will only take so muc
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 10:32:14 AM
Europe may see a second Holocaust.  People will fight back when it gets bad enough.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Fortress on May 22, 2013, 10:41:39 AM
Strong thread.

Good responses.

These worthless imbeciles are ruining all countries in which they choose to reside. And weak governments just allow it to happen.

There is no alternative. Stop the madness and take back your country.

Sweden needs to muster its Viking lineage and smash these vermin.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: littledumbells on May 22, 2013, 10:46:04 AM
Im shocked this thread has not been nuked yet. Astonishing that achmed hasn't had it closed 
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 10:47:02 AM
Im shocked this thread has not been nuked yet. Astonishing that achmed hasn't had it closed 

Muslims rioting in Europe, and Muslims rioting and intimidating members on getbig.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 22, 2013, 10:51:23 AM
Im shocked this thread has not been nuked yet. Astonishing that achmed hasn't had it closed 

This is a legitimate thread.  He has no grounds as long as we keep it civil.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: deadpan on May 22, 2013, 11:14:55 AM
good to see the multiculturalist leftists finally waking up...first holland, now sweden, that speech by putin basically telling the muslims to go fuck themselves...

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Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: HockeyFightFan on May 22, 2013, 11:21:31 AM
3, 2, 1,............call the United States to clean up their mess.

 ::)

The left in America should be watching this closely, because their apologist immigration policies will bring about the same situation.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: AR.2007 on May 22, 2013, 11:23:53 AM
Im shocked this thread has not been nuked yet. Astonishing that achmed hasn't had it closed  

I'm a muslim and I have found it best to ignore anti muslim threads. The amount of pure lies, slander and false ideas and accusations is ridiculous. You have people making up their own quotes from the Quran, people making up their own fabricated stories about the religion. Giving wrong difintions of Jihad, saying 100% false and baseless things such as "Muslims must kill non muslims"(even though there's dozens and dozens of verses from the Quran strictly forbidding the killing of innocent people)..ect

It's like a bunch of blind people debating what a certian painting looks like or a group of deaf people arguing about which song Is playing on the radio. How can you argue with them? You can't, because it goes in from one ear and out the other.  

Some loser who happens to be from a muslim country kills some one and people automatically want to blame a religion of 1.6+ billion people...what a shame.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 11:25:38 AM
3, 2, 1,............call the United States to clean up their mess.

 ::)


Are you kidding.  Sweden won't be asking the USA for help.

The left in America should be watching this closely, because their apologist immigration policies will bring about the same situation.

You got that bit right.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: HockeyFightFan on May 22, 2013, 11:28:54 AM
Are you kidding.  Sweden won't be asking the USA for help.


Then life in Sweden as they know it is over.

Welcome to the new "North-North Africa".

Not one fuck given here...... ::)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 11:30:22 AM


Not one fuck given here...... ::)


Good for you.  So what?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: galain on May 22, 2013, 11:34:17 AM
I'm a muslim and I have found it best to ignore anti muslim threads. The amount of pure lies, slander and false ideas and accusations is ridiculous. You have people making up their own quotes from the Quran, people making up their own fabricated stories about the religion. Giving wrong difintions of Jihad, saying 100% false and baseless things such as "Muslims must kill non muslims"(even though there's dozens and dozens of verses from the Quran strictly forbidding the killing of innocent people)..ect

It's like a bunch of blind people debating what a certian painting looks like or a group of deaf people arguing about which song Is playing on the radio. How can you argue with them? You can't, because it goes in from one ear and out the other.  

Some loser who happens to be from a muslim country kills some one and people automatically want to blame a religion of 1.6+ billion people...what a shame.

That's the issue though mate. It's not just 'some loser' anymore - it's beyond that.

I feel for Sweden. They were only trying to be good people and offer help to those they saw as less fortunate. It's fucked them.

AR 2007 - what is it if it's not radicalised migrants? Is it an arab thing that has nothing to do with religion? Is it some fucked up Somalian tribal attitude that has nothing to do with religion?

If it has nothing to do with religion, why then do these people hide behind their faith? I'm genuinely curious.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: HockeyFightFan on May 22, 2013, 11:35:00 AM

Good for you.  So what?


Brilliant response, well thought out, solid logic and reasoning...... ::)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 11:36:16 AM
Brilliant response, well thought out, solid logic and reasoning...... ::)

My response is merely to say that your statement is meaningless.  Pointless.  Without value or meaning.

Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 11:37:16 AM
I feel for Sweden. They were only trying to be good people and offer help to those they saw as less fortunate. It's fucked them.

That's always how it is for naive good people who try to help scum.  The scum see them as vulnerable and exploit it.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: galain on May 22, 2013, 11:38:00 AM
Here - headline from the UK's Daily Mail.

'We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you': What man holding bloody cleaver said after 'hacking soldier in Help For Heroes T-shirt to death just yards from Woolwich barracks'



So I ask again - if it's not religion, why are so many people using it as a shield? It's beyond the odd bad apple.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: HockeyFightFan on May 22, 2013, 11:53:36 AM
My response is merely to say that your statement is meaningless.  Pointless.  Without value or meaning.



Actually all your responses are meaningless, pointless, and without value or meaning.

Your generation of pacifist, Liberal, euro-fag will be overrun by Muslim scum, and you'll stand idly by, watching it on the internet, while your wives and daughters pay the price.

Still......not one ounce of fuck given by me.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 11:57:40 AM
Actually all your responses are meaningless, pointless, and without value or meaning.

Your generation of pacifist, Liberal, euro-fag will be overrun by Muslim scum, and you'll stand idly by, watching it on the internet, while your wives and daughters pay the price.

Still......not one ounce of fuck given by me.

Ha ha you are a real troll.  I am the polar opposite of liberal, and I speak out about Islam not just on forums but IN PUBLIC and AT WORK.  DO YOU?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 11:59:43 AM
Here - headline from the UK's Daily Mail.

'We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you': What man holding bloody cleaver said after 'hacking soldier in Help For Heroes T-shirt to death just yards from Woolwich barracks'



So I ask again - if it's not religion, why are so many people using it as a shield? It's beyond the odd bad apple.

Moderate Muslims ARE NOT BEING HONEST.  Sure the radical are doing things they do not do, but it seems clear they are not all that horrified by it.  Why?  Probably because they know these people are doing what the Koran commands.  And probably because they share certain religious sentiments.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: HockeyFightFan on May 22, 2013, 12:02:37 PM
Ha ha you are a real troll.  I am the polar opposite of liberal, and I speak out about Islam not just on forums but IN PUBLIC and AT WORK.  DO YOU?

What does "in public" mean in Australia?

In front of 4 people at some run down pub?

I'm starting to sense you're dumb enough to be a Basile gimmick.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 22, 2013, 12:05:23 PM
Moderate Muslims ARE NOT BEING HONEST.  Sure the radical are doing things they do not do, but it seems clear they are not all that horrified by it.  Why?  Probably because they know these people are doing what the Koran commands.  And probably because they share certain religious sentiments.

Bravo!  They aren't being honest with themselves.  Like a lot (most) of religious devotees they choose to ignore the portions of their religion that conflict with their  personal values or the secular values of the country they have chosen to inhabit.  In short, they pick and choose what they follow based on preference.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 12:08:14 PM
What does "in public" mean in Australia?

In front of 4 people at some run down pub?

I'm starting to sense you're dumb enough to be a Basile gimmick.

You are beneath me.  ta ta.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: AR.2007 on May 22, 2013, 12:49:35 PM
Moderate Muslims ARE NOT BEING HONEST.  Sure the radical are doing things they do not do, but it seems clear they are not all that horrified by it.  Why?  Probably because they know these people are doing what the Koran commands.  And probably because they share certain religious sentiments.

Quran commands? I challenge you, to go find it! It's an open challenge. Go to Quran.com(since this is a trustworthy authentic translation and verified)  and find me the verse which commands killing, give us the verse before and after aswell, provide verse # and the name of the chapter. Go ahead smart guy, find it.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 22, 2013, 12:53:55 PM
Quran commands? I challenge you, to go find it! It's an open challenge. Go to Quran.com(since this is a trustworthy authentic translation and verified)  and find me the verse which commands killing, give us the verse before and after aswell, provide verse # and the name of the chapter. Go ahead smart guy, find it.

As an atheist these verse constitute direct threats.  I'm deeply offended.


Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". 


Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" 
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: AR.2007 on May 22, 2013, 12:57:06 PM
As an atheist these verse constitute direct threats.  I'm deeply offended.


Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". 


Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" 

Give the verses before and after please.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 12:58:42 PM
Give the verses before and after please.

LOL - why?

Does it say "disregard the following statement"?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Emmortal on May 22, 2013, 12:59:16 PM
The time for the Crusades has returned.

People forget why the Crusades even began.  The Pope didn't decide one day just to start killing off Muslims, it was because Muslims had been raping, murdering and killing Christians for decades and they finally had enough.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: tommywishbone on May 22, 2013, 01:01:13 PM
Multiculturalism has failed completely and totally. It's just laughable to think otherwise.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 22, 2013, 01:04:08 PM
LOL - why?

Does it say "disregard the following statement"?

Apparently it's all in the fine print.   The fact that he didnt immediately include the pre/post verses himself means he doesn't know them and has to look it up.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 22, 2013, 01:07:51 PM
(http://vallepajares.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/vikings.jpg?w=497)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: MAXX on May 22, 2013, 01:10:17 PM
it's not questioned. they(the sitting goverment and majority of the people) are still all very much for it  ;D

the whole political scene is just a joke. what did they think was going to happen...
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Stephano on May 22, 2013, 01:10:37 PM
LOL - why?

Does it say "disregard the following statement"?

It's funny.  Quran 8:13 simply says:
"That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in penalty"

Religion of peace.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Griffith on May 22, 2013, 01:11:26 PM
In Thailand and Cambodia etc. it is impossible for a foreigner to become a citizen, they need a new visa every month, yet no-one calls them racist  ???

If a Western country did this they would be 'racist' but every one else can.

These countries governments are fucking up thousands of years of history while the rest of the world are laughing at us.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: AR.2007 on May 22, 2013, 01:15:48 PM
It's funny.  Quran 8:13 simply says:
"That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in penalty"

Religion of peace.


Watch out we got an Einstein amongst us. ...no -_-.

"They" refers to the pagans whom were at war with muslims. No innocent people.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Emmortal on May 22, 2013, 01:16:05 PM
In Thailand and Cambodia etc. it is impossible for a foreigner to become a citizen, they need a new visa every month, yet no-one calls them racist  ???

If a Western country did this they would be 'racist' but every one else can.

These countries governments are fucking up thousands of years of history while the rest of the world are laughing at us.

Not true.  My lawyer in Thailand just got his Thai citizenship, but it took him almost 12 years =).
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 22, 2013, 01:17:56 PM
Watch out we got an Einstein amongst us. ...no -_-.

"They" refers to the pagans whom were at war with muslims. No innocent people.

How do you know they weren't innocent?  Because the koran tells you so? Maybe they didn't want to be Muslims and were fighting for the existence of their culture.
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Post by: Papper on May 22, 2013, 01:22:11 PM
Yes at the end of the day, fools who have allowed this to happen DESERVE IT.   

Yes we do as a collective. But you have to take in to account that all parties you have to chose from here, are multiculturists. And the media is multiculturists.

People who wants to express a different opinion is shut down like Bill O'Riley shuts down democrats on his show.

They even hid the ballots for the only party speaking out against multiculturism so people couldn't vote for them.

And there is a huge percentage of Swedes who do not agree with this but feel like it's useless to vote since every party is multiculturism.

But it may be turning around now as it seems.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: AR.2007 on May 22, 2013, 01:24:03 PM
Here's a little islam 101 for you guys:

Do you guys know the rules of war according to islam?

Here's what prophet Muhammad(pbuh) said 


O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!

Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.
[7]

Now compare this to the terrorism you see today...
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: AR.2007 on May 22, 2013, 01:25:38 PM
How do you know they weren't innocent?  Because the koran tells you so? Maybe they didn't want to be Muslims and were fighting for the existence of their culture.

Go read a secular history book my friend. Arab history around that time. , go to your local library and take out a book.

And lol that's why whole reason to wanted to kill muslims. Those pagans worshipped idols and stupid things, Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) delivers the message to worship God alone( same message and moses and jesus pbuh) and this angered them... Remember at those times the pagans out numbers the Muslims by a lot.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Griffith on May 22, 2013, 01:28:11 PM
Not true.  My lawyer in Thailand just got his Thai citizenship, but it took him almost 12 years =).

That's pretty much the same thing, in reality, it is virtually impossible and foreigners are not permitted to buy land either.

Unless under another Thai/wife/whore who will steal it as soon as you turn your back.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 22, 2013, 01:29:00 PM
Go read a secular history book my friend. Arab history around that time. , go to your local library and take out a book.

Have any good suggestions?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Griffith on May 22, 2013, 01:34:51 PM
Go read a secular history book my friend. Arab history around that time. , go to your local library and take out a book.

And lol that's why whole reason to wanted to kill muslims. Those pagans worshipped idols and stupid things, Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) delivers the message to worship God alone( same message and moses and jesus pbuh) and this angered them... Remember at those times the pagans out numbers the Muslims by a lot.

The Pagans did not outnumber the Moslems, the Roman Empire was Christian by 600 AD.

The Eastern Roman Empire under the Greeks was Orthodox Christian as were the lands in the Middle East and North Africa until the Moslems invaded.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Emmortal on May 22, 2013, 01:41:20 PM
That's pretty much the same thing, in reality, it is virtually impossible and foreigners are not permitted to buy land either.

Unless under another Thai/wife/whore who will steal it as soon as you turn your back.

Yes they make it extremely difficult and make sure you are fully assimilated into the culture.  He speaks fluent Thai and is married to a Thai as well.  He's had a business in Bangkok for the last 20 years.

Foreigners can own land, they are limited to 49% ownership though, and have a 30 year "lease" at which point the 51% Thai ownership can choose to take over or sell.

You can however buy condo's outright.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Griffith on May 22, 2013, 01:46:21 PM
Yes they make it extremely difficult and make sure you are fully assimilated into the culture.  He speaks fluent Thai and is married to a Thai as well.  He's had a business in Bangkok for the last 20 years.

Foreigners can own land, they are limited to 49% ownership though, and have a 30 year "lease" at which point the 51% Thai ownership can choose to take over or sell.

You can however buy condo's outright.

Thanks for clearing that up.

By condo, do you mean a flat/apartment?

I know in Cambodia they cannot be bought on ground level but all others are fine.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Emmortal on May 22, 2013, 01:54:29 PM
Thanks for clearing that up.

By condo, do you mean a flat/apartment?

I know in Cambodia they cannot be bought on ground level but all others are fine.

Condo = condominium / flat / apartment, pretty much all the same thing.  Pretty sure they can be bought on ground level, but most condo buildings in Thailand only have rooms on the second floor due to flooding in a lot of areas.  I have seen a few buildings in Bangkok with ground floor units but fuck all if I would ever buy one on the ground there, it floods way too much.

I've only visited Cambodia a few times so that's interesting hear.  I know Vietnam is also very strict on land ownership and only recently have loosened the restrictions slightly on foreign land ownership.  I'd buy some up in a jiffy there if I could, that place is going to blow up in the next 15-20 years tourism wise.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: littledumbells on May 22, 2013, 02:02:47 PM
I'm a muslim and I have found it best to ignore anti muslim threads. The amount of pure lies, slander and false ideas and accusations is ridiculous. You have people making up their own quotes from the Quran, people making up their own fabricated stories about the religion. Giving wrong difintions of Jihad, saying 100% false and baseless things such as "Muslims must kill non muslims"(even though there's dozens and dozens of verses from the Quran strictly forbidding the killing of innocent people)..ect

It's like a bunch of blind people debating what a certian painting looks like or a group of deaf people arguing about which song Is playing on the radio. How can you argue with them? You can't, because it goes in from one ear and out the other.  

Some loser who happens to be from a muslim country kills some one and people automatically want to blame a religion of 1.6+ billion people...what a shame.

  We can ignore the misquotes and whatever else and just look at the immigrants actions around the world. We can even leave out terrorists, bombers and whatnot. The actions of the immigrants speak for themselves and it is not a pretty story
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: AR.2007 on May 22, 2013, 02:03:50 PM
The Pagans did not outnumber the Moslems, the Roman Empire was Christian by 600 AD.

The Eastern Roman Empire under the Greeks was Orthodox Christian as were the lands in the Middle East and North Africa until the Moslems invaded.

No, most of Arabia was indeed pagan. I'm talking about the part of  Arabia where the prophet lived. Almost all the powerful tribes were pagans(look at qurish tribe, and there were christians and jews aswell but smaller in number, most of whom became muslims).

Remember it was Arab muslims(greatly outnumbered) fighting Arab pagans who were greater in number(islam was just spreading). Since the Cheifs of the tribes were pagans, they were all wealthy and had greater resources. Hence why the Muslims were in such a tough situation.  Also amongst muslims were hypocrites, adding to the tension.

So these verse of war which seem violent make sense where you look at the context. Never once does it say to kill innocent people or to be aggressors, but instead it says If the pagans attack to fight back and kill them, very simple. Remember each verse has a certain situation and reason it was revealed. Not all verses apply to all situations.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 22, 2013, 02:07:43 PM
  We can ignore the misquotes and whatever else and just look at the immigrants actions around the world. We can even leave out terrorists, bombers and whatnot. The actions of the immigrants speak for themselves and it is not a pretty story

We debate the role of US foreign policy and how it's implementation effects global politic.  Debating religious doctrine and its role is no different.  There shouldn't be any sacred cows..  Immigrant don't act the way they do without a reason.  In many instances that reason is religion.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: AR.2007 on May 22, 2013, 02:10:02 PM
  We can ignore the misquotes and whatever else and just look at the immigrants actions around the world. We can even leave out terrorists, bombers and whatnot. The actions of the immigrants speak for themselves and it is not a pretty story

Do you know what's funny? Lol, I agree with you! So do MANY muslims. I am also disgusted by random acts of violence, because that's not islam! I fact I have no idea where they get these dirty ideas and customs.

A famous Islamic Scholar said(dont have the exact quote): in a hundred years(he lived about a century ago) the greatest service muslims can do for Islam is to Tell the world they aren't muslims! Because there actions will reflect the opposite of what the religion teaches.

Reflecting on his words, I fully and truly  understand what he meant and how true his prediction was, it's bone chilling actually.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: AR.2007 on May 22, 2013, 02:13:39 PM
Just so you bros get my point.

I am not saying these terrorists, murders ...ect are good people, no way!

 I'm just saying they are claiming to be fighting for the cause of islam but in reality they are contradicting what islam teaches. Don't let these fools give you a bad image of the religion.

Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Emmortal on May 22, 2013, 02:27:08 PM
Muslim behavior/terrorism correlated with population size
By Dr. Peter Hammond
FrontPageMagazine. com | Monday, April 21, 2008

The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:


Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 22, 2013, 02:29:36 PM
Where is that from emmortal?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Emmortal on May 22, 2013, 02:48:51 PM
Where is that from emmortal?

It's from a book but thought it was notable for the discussion.  The original article can be found here:

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 22, 2013, 02:51:57 PM
It's from a book but thought it was notable for the discussion.  The original article can be found here:

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675

Thank you.  I'll give it a look.
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Post by: Griffith on May 22, 2013, 03:05:46 PM
Condo = condominium / flat / apartment, pretty much all the same thing.  Pretty sure they can be bought on ground level, but most condo buildings in Thailand only have rooms on the second floor due to flooding in a lot of areas.  I have seen a few buildings in Bangkok with ground floor units but fuck all if I would ever buy one on the ground there, it floods way too much.

I've only visited Cambodia a few times so that's interesting hear.  I know Vietnam is also very strict on land ownership and only recently have loosened the restrictions slightly on foreign land ownership.  I'd buy some up in a jiffy there if I could, that place is going to blow up in the next 15-20 years tourism wise.

Good point about the flooding.

Was in Vietnam as well but only Saigon/Ho chi Minh but I'm sure its a lot nicer out in the country and beaches.

And yes, Air France started flying there directly relatively recently and I think the rest of the European airlines will soon follow and will start picking up with tourism.
Same for Cambodia as well I think, buildings are popping up quite quickly now in Phnom Penh.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Emmortal on May 22, 2013, 03:17:47 PM
Good point about the flooding.

Was in Vietnam as well but only Saigon/Ho chi Minh but I'm sure its a lot nicer out in the country and beaches.

And yes, Air France started flying there directly relatively recently and I think the rest of the European airlines will soon follow and will start picking up with tourism.
Same for Cambodia as well I think, buildings are popping up quite quickly now in Phnom Penh.

I spent some time in Hanoi, next time I'm in the area I'll be visiting the south.  The north is still quite communist and weren't very receptive to me, I think just in general, they are behind Thailand by about 15 years or so when it comes to hospitality and treating tourists well.  A lot of people were really grouchy, spoke little to no English and were extremely pushing when trying to sell you their wares.

But yea, they are opening up more to tourism and it has some of the most beautiful untouched beaches in the region.  Like I said, if the government allowed it, I'd be grabbing up land left and right.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 22, 2013, 03:49:46 PM
Hhahahahahahaha who needs an AR15 they ask  ;)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Emmortal on May 22, 2013, 04:30:27 PM
Hhahahahahahaha who needs an AR15 they ask  ;)

I was wondering sort of the same thing when i read the story about the two guys who chopped off that soldiers head in London.  On top of the fact that it took 20 minutes for "armed" police to arrive, the soldier may have stood a fighting chance if a CC individual was in the vicinity and took action.

Being armed and seeing such an incredible thing happen right before your eyes, most people would feel it their duty to intervene in such an event.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 22, 2013, 04:40:28 PM
I was wondering sort of the same thing when i read the story about the two guys who chopped off that soldiers head in London.  On top of the fact that it took 20 minutes for "armed" police to arrive, the soldier may have stood a fighting chance if a CC individual was in the vicinity and took action.

Being armed and seeing such an incredible thing happen right before your eyes, most people would feel it their duty to intervene in such an event.

I agree
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Chadwick The Beta on May 22, 2013, 04:42:20 PM
I was wondering sort of the same thing when i read the story about the two guys who chopped off that soldiers head in London.  On top of the fact that it took 20 minutes for "armed" police to arrive, the soldier may have stood a fighting chance if a CC individual was in the vicinity and took action.

Being armed and seeing such an incredible thing happen right before your eyes, most people would feel it their duty to intervene in such an event.

even if it meant being labeled a "gun nut"

I would far rather be known as a "gun nut" than a sniveling pussy coward who deserves to see his wife raped. 
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: HockeyFightFan on May 22, 2013, 06:42:29 PM
I was wondering sort of the same thing when i read the story about the two guys who chopped off that soldiers head in London.  On top of the fact that it took 20 minutes for "armed" police to arrive, the soldier may have stood a fighting chance if a CC individual was in the vicinity and took action.

Being armed and seeing such an incredible thing happen right before your eyes, most people would feel it their duty to intervene in such an event.

Those nags wouldn't have lasted 5 seconds in the great Republic of Texas....
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Teutonic Knight on May 22, 2013, 06:51:20 PM
The time for the Crusades has returned.

Yeap, modern version of Hospitaller,Teutonic & Templar Knights should take some clean ups.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Teutonic Knight on May 22, 2013, 06:54:46 PM
lets see what the swedish authorities and govts reaction to this will be.

i mean lets see if the law gets changed.

the london rioters got epic sentences.they wont do it again lol.

Sweeds a suppose to be brutal VIKING tribe , but  :P :P :P
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Teutonic Knight on May 22, 2013, 06:58:12 PM
Give the verses before and after please.

We need Westerns scholars translation of Koran , not Arabic translators version .
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Radical Plato on May 22, 2013, 11:18:47 PM
People forget why the Crusades even began.  The Pope didn't decide one day just to start killing off Muslims, it was because Muslims had been raping, murdering and killing Christians for decades and they finally had enough.
QFT
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 11:26:08 PM
So it is just a bad "race" or "races" who get confidence once their numbers grow?  Possibly, but there is more to it thn that.

Muslim behavior/terrorism correlated with population size
By Dr. Peter Hammond
FrontPageMagazine. com | Monday, April 21, 2008
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Radical Plato on May 22, 2013, 11:27:11 PM
Here's a little islam 101 for you guys:

Do you guys know the rules of war according to islam?

Here's what prophet Muhammad(pbuh) said  


O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!

Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.
[7]

Now compare this to the terrorism you see today...
And yet Muhammad was a brutal terrorist, criminal and murderer whose entire life was based on victimizing innocents and indulging in mindless violence, carnage and massacre.  To hold such a man up as an example of virtue is probably the most perverse and disgusting thing a human being could do.  It is proof positive of the sheer immorality of Muslims.

Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 22, 2013, 11:27:46 PM
No, most of Arabia was indeed pagan. I'm talking about the part of  Arabia where the prophet lived. Almost all the powerful tribes were pagans(look at qurish tribe, and there were christians and jews aswell but smaller in number, most of whom became muslims).

lol yeah, i wonder why  ::)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: galain on May 22, 2013, 11:36:27 PM
Do you know what's funny? Lol, I agree with you! So do MANY muslims. I am also disgusted by random acts of violence, because that's not islam! I fact I have no idea where they get these dirty ideas and customs.

Then why the fuck is the rest of the moderate Islamic world not doing their utmost to distance themselves from these "few idiots" you referenced earlier? If you can see that you are being tarred with the same brush, then presumably most of the other moderate muslims can see the same thing? So where is your voice? Where are the true Muslims who are trying to put a stop to this because it is a corruption and manipulation of their faith? And if they ARE out there, what have they done and why hasn't the rest of the world seen it?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Radical Plato on May 22, 2013, 11:41:16 PM
Do you know what's funny? Lol, I agree with you! So do MANY muslims. I am also disgusted by random acts of violence, because that's not islam! I fact I have no idea where they get these dirty ideas and customs.

A famous Islamic Scholar said(dont have the exact quote): in a hundred years(he lived about a century ago) the greatest service muslims can do for Islam is to Tell the world they aren't muslims! Because there actions will reflect the opposite of what the religion teaches.

Reflecting on his words, I fully and truly  understand what he meant and how true his prediction was, it's bone chilling actually.
So a famous Muslim once said that the greatest thing other Muslims can do is pathologically lie.  Got it.  Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Radical Plato on May 22, 2013, 11:45:22 PM
Just so you bros get my point.

I am not saying these terrorists, murders ...ect are good people, no way!

 I'm just saying they are claiming to be fighting for the cause of islam but in reality they are contradicting what islam teaches. Don't let these fools give you a bad image of the religion.


You are missing the point.  The Koran is full of hypocrisy, contradicting itself all over the place.  Do this, no Don't do this, no do this, no ignore that, no practice the latter and not the former blah blah blah.

It is the contradictory nature of the text that makes it so invalid.  It isn't logical, reasonable or rational.  Only an unreasonable, irrational and illogical man could make sense of it.

If one man can read a book and take it to mean HATE, and another can read the same book and take it to mean 'LOVE', the problem is with the text, it is obviously poorly written and should be disregarded.  It is obviously designed to cause division and confusion, and why would anybody deliberately want to cause such a thing, unless for their own self interest.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Luolamies on May 23, 2013, 01:57:25 AM
The media in every single Scandinavian country is downplaying this to a ridiculous extent. The few papers and online news sites that even mention this just go on to say: "some minor rioting in Stockholm, some who have taken part may be muslim immigrants!" YEAH RIGHT! I was in contact with some of my swedish friends and they told me there are parts of Stockholm REAL swedes don't even go anymore and right now it's a full blown jihad.

Sweden has a capable army but the politicians would NEVER deploy them and if some native swede took action he'd spent the rest of his life in prison.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 23, 2013, 01:59:08 AM
The media in every single Scandinavian country is downplaying this to a ridiculous extent. The few papers and online news sites that even mention this just go on to say: "some minor rioting in Stockholm, some who have taken part may be muslim immigrants!" YEAH RIGHT! I was in contact with some of my swedish friends and they told me there are parts of Stockholm REAL swedes don't even go anymore and right now it's a full blown jihad.

Sweden has a capable army but the politicians would NEVER deploy them and if some native swede took action he'd spent the rest of his life in prison.

what in the hell happened to the Viking culture ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 23, 2013, 02:03:10 AM
what in the hell happened to the Viking culture ??? ??? ???

You have to realize politicians represent a tiny percentage but they are cunning and dishonest and CAREER ORIENTED (they are in it to climb the ladder), and are often degenerates (I know a few and can attest to this).  But the public does not understand this UNTIL it is too late.


________________________ ________________________ ____________________
The Problem with Socialism is that Eventually You Run Out of Other People’s Money.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Luolamies on May 23, 2013, 02:12:16 AM
what in the hell happened to the Viking culture ??? ??? ???

 - Christianity.
 - Politicians.
 - Unfair laws.

If you guys think the majority of people in every single Scandinavian country wouldn't like to get rid of these "people" you are dead wrong. But the only thing any one normal person could do would land him in jail forever. People say that the glass is half full, well piss in it long enough and it WILL spill over...
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 23, 2013, 02:32:55 AM
- Christianity.
 - Politicians.
 - Unfair laws.

If you guys think the majority of people in every single Scandinavian country wouldn't like to get rid of these "people" you are dead wrong. But the only thing any one normal person could do would land him in jail forever. People say that the glass is half full, well piss in it long enough and it WILL spill over...

interesting

the USA was founded on Christianity (the Protestant aspect of it) and even now there's still a very strong Protestant influence, but these are kinda hardass Protestants and they will beat your ass if need be :)

go to Kentucky, Texas, West Virginia etc and you'll see what i mean

a cross in one hand and a gun in the other 8)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Mr Nobody on May 23, 2013, 02:35:09 AM
I keep my shotgun with me at all times.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 23, 2013, 02:42:48 AM
I keep my shotgun with me at all times.

Panzram used his hands ;)

German-American Protestant FTMFW

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fElP1MMY2g8/S85YCYNC4_I/AAAAAAAAAFY/f_4or11DBvc/s1600/carl_panzram.jpg)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on May 23, 2013, 02:48:40 AM
Where's the apologists? Where's the social leftists?

Spoke to some friends in Stockholm that live close to ground zero. No females are going out alone. They're intimidated by filthy oil slicks from the bowels of the 3rd world. Apparently these feral apes are running around in commercial areas smashing windows and looting whatever they can.

They couldn't have picked a better, more PC-paralysed country than Sweden. Looking forward to see the media and political spin on this when the dust settles. They're 'un-engaged, poor, without hope' and it's Sweden's fault  ::)

spot on. Its out of control here the media even  protects the filthy apes. Even makes the blurred pics of suspects whiter so the readers thinks its made by swedes. The politicians here are cowards who dont dare speak there minds. If one critices the swedish imigration policy the media goes apeshit and call them rasists. Finland is way way way better place to live in because they dont have this problem
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 23, 2013, 02:52:06 AM
spot on. Its out of control here the media even  protects the filthy apes. Even makes the blurred pics of suspects whiter so the readers thinks its made by swedes. The politicians here are cowards who dont dare speak there minds. If one critices the swedish imigration policy the media goes apeshit and call them rasists. Finland is way way way better place to live in because they dont have this problem

serious question, does the media in sweden have a strong jewish component?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on May 23, 2013, 02:57:19 AM
serious question, does the media in sweden have a strong jewish component?
no, only cowards.

The jews are a small minority here. I have never seen a rabbi in my life. But i live in the north of sweden where there are only small citys
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 23, 2013, 02:59:27 AM
no, only cowards.

The jews are a small minority here. I have never seen a rabbi in my life. But i live in the north of sweden where there are only small citys

lol
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Luolamies on May 23, 2013, 03:12:31 AM
Finland is way way way better place to live in because they dont have this problem

We're catching up fast. There are "gangs" of 100 lbs somalis everywhere... And our lesbian politicians want more of them. Ask anyone if they want more of them and not a single person will say yes, yet the media has "news" like 85% of fins are pro immigration...  ::)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Rotten Mortimer on May 23, 2013, 03:57:53 AM
I was in contact with some of my swedish friends and they told me there are parts of Stockholm REAL swedes don't even go anymore and right now it's a full blown jihad.

I live in Stockholm, and what you wrote is ludicrous.  Either your friends are SD mouth-breathers or you are lying.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 23, 2013, 03:58:57 AM
I live in Stockholm, and what you wrote is ludicrous.  Either your friends are SD mouth-breathers or you are lying.

Join date, May 23 2013.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Luolamies on May 23, 2013, 04:02:37 AM
I live in Stockholm, and what you wrote is ludicrous.  Either your friends are SD mouth-breathers or you are lying.

I take it that you aren't a native swede?

Join date, May 23 2013.

Yeah lol, troll much?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Rotten Mortimer on May 23, 2013, 04:15:32 AM
I take it that you aren't a native swede?

Yeah lol, troll much?

"Take" whatever you want, my disgruntled little Finn.  In the meantime I'll wait with baited breath for you to produce these areas of Stockholm where no "real" Swedes dare tread. 
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 23, 2013, 04:23:26 AM
"Take" whatever you want, my disgruntled little Finn.  In the meantime I'll wait with baited breath for you to produce these areas of Stockholm where no "real" Swedes dare tread. 

Who's ghostie are you?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Luolamies on May 23, 2013, 04:32:50 AM
"Take" whatever you want, my disgruntled little Finn.  In the meantime I'll wait with baited breath for you to produce these areas of Stockholm where no "real" Swedes dare tread. 

Rinkkeby, Husby. Tensta,  etc. pretty much every neighborhood where there's more immigrants than native swedes. I'm sure some native white swedes go and even live in these areas, but at least women sure as hell don't walk the streets at night.

I'm a disgruntled Finn, but not a little one... :D

Also you never answered whether you're a native swede? And do you think all is well in Stockholm and immigrants aren't causing problems?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 23, 2013, 04:44:03 AM
finn

(http://www.wrapupp.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/riku-kiri-strong-man.jpg)

swede

(http://www.samson-power.com/PB/pics3/msam1.JPG)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Luolamies on May 23, 2013, 04:46:33 AM
^ HAHAHAHAHAH, thanks man! My bp was already getting a bit high... :D

But honestly i have nothing against real, native swedes. :)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Rotten Mortimer on May 23, 2013, 05:51:34 AM
Rinkkeby, Husby. Tensta,  etc. pretty much every neighborhood where there's more immigrants than native swedes. I'm sure some native white swedes go and even live in these areas, but at least women sure as hell don't walk the streets at night.

Ah yes, the token "problem areas" all the basement-bound internet dweebs like to squawk about.  First, those are suburbs, not Stockholm proper (do you think they're burning cars in Sergels torg or something?), and poor ones at that (http://www.dn.se/sthlm/segregationen-klyver-stockholm (http://www.dn.se/sthlm/segregationen-klyver-stockholm)).  Gee, I wonder if any of dem dere edjumacated book-learnin' types have ever established a connection between low income and high crime?  

Second, it's well-documented that plenty of your precious "native Swedes" live in these areas, while your claim about women, on the other hand, is anecdotal and thus meaningless.  But while we're here pretending that the testimony of faceless internet clowns is worth anything, I'm going to again pay you the wholly-unearned compliment of assuming you can read Swedish and direct you here:

https://www.flashback.org/t1969556

Even Flashback, another little leper colony of teenage racists, recognizes that the media reports are exaggerated.  

Also you never answered whether you're a native swede? And do you think all is well in Stockholm and immigrants aren't causing problems?

Why should I answer you?  Not that your frantic dick-pulling of "real Swedes" isn't quaint; it's just that no one here actually cares.  We're too busy enjoying our beautiful city.  
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 23, 2013, 06:01:22 AM
Who's ghostie are you Rotten? 
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 23, 2013, 06:41:46 AM
Ah yes, the token "problem areas" all the basement-bound internet dweebs like to squawk about.  First, those are suburbs, not Stockholm proper (do you think they're burning cars in Sergels torg or something?), and poor ones at that (http://www.dn.se/sthlm/segregationen-klyver-stockholm (http://www.dn.se/sthlm/segregationen-klyver-stockholm)).  Gee, I wonder if any of dem dere edjumacated book-learnin' types have ever established a connection between low income and high crime?  

Second, it's well-documented that plenty of your precious "native Swedes" live in these areas, while your claim about women, on the other hand, is anecdotal and thus meaningless.  But while we're here pretending that the testimony of faceless internet clowns is worth anything, I'm going to again pay you the wholly-unearned compliment of assuming you can read Swedish and direct you here:

https://www.flashback.org/t1969556

Even Flashback, another little leper colony of teenage racists, recognizes that the media reports are exaggerated.  

Why should I answer you?  Not that your frantic dick-pulling of "real Swedes" isn't quaint; it's just that no one here actually cares.  We're too busy enjoying our beautiful city.  


So delusional.  When reality finally finds you, how will you react?  I suppose you will blame yourself.  Bleeding heart types are inclined to blame themselves because if they dare face the reality of the situation, which they seldom do, it forces them to reconsider their world view.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Rotten Mortimer on May 23, 2013, 06:56:09 AM
So delusional.  When reality finally finds you, how will you react?  I suppose you will blame yourself.  Bleeding heart types are inclined to blame themselves because if they dare face the reality of the situation, which they seldom do, it forces them to reconsider their world view.

Truly eye-opening, thank you White Noise Man.  I suppose you've amassed 5,000 posts on an internet message board because "facing reality" is your thing, you sententious idiot.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 23, 2013, 07:19:22 AM
Truly eye-opening, thank you White Noise Man.  I suppose you've amassed 5,000 posts on an internet message board because "facing reality" is your thing, you sententious idiot.

Over seven and a half years.  That's pretty reasonable.  At the rate you're going, you're already beating my average per day post count.  Congrats!
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Tito24 on May 23, 2013, 07:46:35 AM
(http://www.fpp.co.uk/Heydrich/images/Hitler_HeydrichTrauerfeier.jpg)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Kwon_2 on May 23, 2013, 08:15:15 AM
(http://www.fpp.co.uk/Heydrich/images/Hitler_HeydrichTrauerfeier.jpg)

Great picture of Mars
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Fortress on May 23, 2013, 08:39:00 AM
Fact is, all religion is a farce. And damaging.

But this Muslim deal, wow, what a farce. Truly a diseased thing.

 
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 23, 2013, 09:26:00 AM
nah, its wrong to say the usa was founded on christianity.

cant be said like that.total opposite actualy.

there is alot christian influence in some places, but founded on christianity, lol, ask the founding fathers if they agree ;D

but i'm not talking about true Christianity (ie. living a Godly and Holy life) i'm talking about the secular ideals that Protestantism produced ie. rugged individualism, questioning authority, and not being a follower, etc

wanna know what character perfectly embodies this? well, here ya go 8)

(http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/25200000/Outlaw-Josey-Wales-clint-eastwood-25240628-1920-1080.jpg)

Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Archer77 on May 23, 2013, 10:40:29 AM
Completely stop immigration or cut the flow to a trickle.  Those that do get in must fit certain requirements.
Create strong laws against immigrant crime.  An immigrant commits a serious crime and they are deported.   Require citizen courses for all immigrants. Those that for any reason choose not to go are deported.  

Offer a resettlement package for any recent immigrant who does not wish to value, respect or follow the laws of the host country.  Within generation Europe would be on the road to recovery.  It's better to handle the situation this way.  Muslims are burning there bridges fast and the people will only take so muc

I would also add that all new immigrants are accepted as citizens on a probationary basis for a length of time.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Radical Plato on May 23, 2013, 01:18:06 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=454146.0;attach=517610;image)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 24, 2013, 12:53:45 AM
nah, its wrong to say the usa was founded on christianity.

cant be said like that.total opposite actualy.

there is alot christian influence in some places, but founded on christianity, lol, ask the founding fathers if they agree ;D

Quote
Religion

Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and two were Roman Catholics (D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons). Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.

A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson[19][20][21] (who created the so-called "Jefferson Bible") and Benjamin Franklin.[22] Others (most notably Thomas Paine) were deists, or at least held beliefs very similar to those of deists.[23]

Historian Gregg L. Frazer argues that the leading Founders (Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Wilson, Morris, Madison, Hamilton, and Washington) were neither Christians nor Deists, but rather supporters of a hybrid "theistic rationalism".[24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States#Religion

Quote
LEXINGTON, Mass. -There have been many books written on our nation's beginnings, but what is not commonly known is the crucial role that churches and Christians played in defending and founding what was to become the United States of America.

Nearly all of the MinuteMen were Christians -- parishioners of the town's only church, pastored by the Rev. Jonas Clark. He himself was known as a great patriot and often preached revolution from the pulpit.

The minister was also often the one in charge of organizing the town's militia, as every town was required by law to have a militia that was trained and ready to fight if necessary. This monument marks the spot where the town of Lexington's church stood for about 150 years.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/142187.aspx
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 24, 2013, 01:16:41 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States#Religion

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/142187.aspx

just curious

are you catholic?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Bad Boy Dazza on May 24, 2013, 01:24:32 AM
just curious

are you catholic?

Yes, but pretty much non-practicing.  I would describe my faith as "weak."  I do have a lot of respect for Christianity and believe it was central in building the "good" things that most westerners take for granted.   
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 24, 2013, 01:28:35 AM
Yes, but pretty much non-practicing.  I would describe my faith as "weak."  I do have a lot of respect for Christianity and believe it was central in building the "good" things that most westerners take for granted.   

well, true Christianity is TOP NOTCH

ie. love your neighbor as yourself, be good to and respect others, do the right thing, etc.

but sadly, those things are near impossible for someone to do, at least that's very true in my own particular case
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 24, 2013, 01:39:05 AM
love your neighbor as yourself, be good to and respect others, do the right thing, etc.


I know Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindustans & atheists who share the same values.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Teutonic Knight on May 24, 2013, 01:43:57 AM
(http://www.fpp.co.uk/Heydrich/images/Hitler_HeydrichTrauerfeier.jpg)

Many good Scandinavian Nazis fought for Hitler  ;)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Irongrip400 on May 24, 2013, 06:41:18 PM
Truly eye-opening, thank you White Noise Man.  I suppose you've amassed 5,000 posts on an internet message board because "facing reality" is your thing, you sententious idiot.

You write like English is your first language, how long have you been in Sweden?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Papper on May 24, 2013, 11:33:38 PM
We're catching up fast. There are "gangs" of 100 lbs somalis everywhere... And our lesbian politicians want more of them. Ask anyone if they want more of them and not a single person will say yes, yet the media has "news" like 85% of fins are pro immigration...  ::)


You let women in to your government ???

"Take" whatever you want, my disgruntled little Finn.  In the meantime I'll wait with baited breath for you to produce these areas of Stockholm where no "real" Swedes dare tread. 

No one who is sane would go to Rinkeby, Husby, Tensta and this is common knowledge.

spot on. Its out of control here the media even  protects the filthy apes. Even makes the blurred pics of suspects whiter so the readers thinks its made by swedes. The politicians here are cowards who dont dare speak there minds. If one critices the swedish imigration policy the media goes apeshit and call them rasists. Finland is way way way better place to live in because they dont have this problem

Wow. Is this true? Who did that?


Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Papper on May 24, 2013, 11:41:59 PM
Rinkkeby, Husby. Tensta,  etc. pretty much every neighborhood where there's more immigrants than native swedes. I'm sure some native white swedes go and even live in these areas, but at least women sure as hell don't walk the streets at night.

I'm a disgruntled Finn, but not a little one... :D

Also you never answered whether you're a native swede? And do you think all is well in Stockholm and immigrants aren't causing problems?

It's obvious he isn't.

What native Swede would join getbig of all places just to come in and defend the stone throwers like this.

This is most likely a muslim or a person from a muslim family but with a higher education, who lives in Stockholm.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on May 25, 2013, 07:37:30 AM
You let women in to your government ???

No one who is sane would go to Rinkeby, Husby, Tensta and this is common knowledge.

Wow. Is this true? Who did that?



expressen, one of biggest newspapers in sweden admitted to do that.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Papper on May 25, 2013, 07:56:12 AM
expressen, one of biggest newspapers in sweden admitted to do that.

Stört!
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: SF1900 on May 25, 2013, 08:07:03 AM
well, true Christianity is TOP NOTCH

ie. love your neighbor as yourself, be good to and respect others, do the right thing, etc.

but sadly, those things are near impossible for someone to do, at least that's very true in my own particular case


You do not need religion to tell you that. Our ability to love our neighbors in hard wired. We are born social creatures with an innate compass for morality. I was born in a nonreligious household and I am just as moral as any religious person.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 25, 2013, 08:11:25 AM
Moooooooooossslliimmms rioting? 

Now there are three certainties in life - death taxes and muslims acting like animals
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Mr Nobody on May 25, 2013, 08:14:01 AM
Moooooooooossslliimmms rioting? 

Now there are three certainties in life - death taxes and muslims acting like animals
Blacks have better abs.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Radical Plato on May 25, 2013, 08:17:36 AM
well, true Christianity is TOP NOTCH

ie. love your neighbor as yourself, be good to and respect others, do the right thing, etc.

but sadly, those things are near impossible for someone to do, at least that's very true in my own particular case
You must have Muslims for neighbours.  Muslims are impossible to love and treating them the way you expect to be treated will be seen as an act of weakness and you will be exploited.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: SF1900 on May 25, 2013, 08:21:26 AM
E-kul, if you saw a Muslim walking a pitbull down the street, how would you react?  :-\ :-\ :-X :-X
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 25, 2013, 08:25:04 AM
E-kul, if you saw a Muslim walking a pitbull down the street, how would you react?  :-\ :-\ :-X :-X

I thought muslims hated dogs? 

Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 25, 2013, 08:26:16 AM
You must have Muslims for neighbours.  Muslims are impossible to love and treating them the way you expect to be treated will be seen as an act of weakness and you will be exploited.

i have catholics for neighbors
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Radical Plato on May 25, 2013, 08:31:48 AM
E-kul, if you saw a Muslim walking a pitbull down the street, how would you react?  :-\ :-\ :-X :-X
Muslims are prohibited from owning dogs (Muhammad actually despised dogs with a passion).  Of course modern day Muzzies have manipulated things so they allow it but only if it is a guard dog.   But no self respecting Muslim would own a dog.  Some Muslims like Sherief own a dog as a companion animal, and then lies to himself and says it's a guard dog (and I have seem him admit that's actually not true, his dog is his pet)

But to answer your question, I have no desire to spend any time with Muslims or Pitbulls, so I would simply cross the street.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Radical Plato on May 25, 2013, 08:33:09 AM
i have catholics for neighbors
When you quoted the Love thy Neighbour bit and said you had trouble with it, where you being literal, or did you mean you just have trouble treating others as you wish to be treated?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 25, 2013, 08:59:58 AM
When you quoted the Love thy Neighbour bit and said you had trouble with it, where you being literal, or did you mean you just have trouble treating others as you wish to be treated?

good question

it certainly wasn't literal and i'm a major narcissist, so narcissist aren't too keen on empathy

so of course i'm not gonna be too good at loving others
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Radical Plato on May 25, 2013, 09:03:27 AM
good question

it certainly wasn't literal and i'm a major narcissist, so narcissist aren't too keen on empathy

so of course i'm not gonna be too good at loving others
Have you been diagnosed with Narcissistic personality disorder or did you self diagnose yourself as that? 
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 25, 2013, 09:08:47 AM
Have you been diagnosed with Narcissistic personality disorder or did you self diagnose yourself as that? 

clinically diagnosed

but it's less severe that it was before, so i'm making progress :)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Van_Bilderass on May 25, 2013, 09:29:15 AM
Regarding Muslims and dogs, I was watching this documentary about Saudi Arabia where
some type of province leader was talking about implementation of sharia law etc. At some point
the guy mentioned his little daughter and how she was excited about her new puppy. I told my
brother, "I thought Muslims didn't have dogs as pets?" My brother said the "higher-ups" didn't
follow the same rules, that they could do wtf they wanted.

Thoughts?

This Rotten Mortimer guy does not sound like a native Swede, as irongrip said. Anyway, this type of guy is the most hateful type of person despite preaching tolerance and their love for the Somali and Gypsy etc. Very very angry, with huge disdain for common folk.

His first post explains his worldview:

Sweden has an open immigration policy for humanitarian reasons. The prevailing attitude is that they have no more right to the landmass they happen to have been born on than anyone else; most anyone with a mature worldview would agree.


It's a nice idea, but who really believes this? Who lives after this principle? Maybe he can share his
apartment in Stockholm inner city with me. He was just lucky he didn't have to live in a slummy suburb like me, with these wonderful burka and skirt wearing (for the males) Muslims as neighbours, and should share the wealth. ::)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Rami on May 25, 2013, 09:36:33 AM
US will send in troops and free Sweden from Muslim oppression.





Oh I forgot, Sweden has no oil. Sorry.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Radical Plato on May 25, 2013, 09:37:14 AM
Regarding Muslims and dogs, I was watching this documentary about Saudi Arabia where
some type of province leader was talking about implementation of sharia law etc. At some point
the guy mentioned his little daughter and how she was excited about her new puppy. I told my
brother, "I thought Muslims didn't have dogs as pets?" My brother said the "higher-ups" didn't
follow the same rules, that they could do wtf they wanted.

Thoughts?
To be expected.  In Saudi Arabia, same deal, strict Islamic fundamentalist laws for everyone else while the Sheiks and the higher ups do whatever the fuck they like.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Radical Plato on May 25, 2013, 09:41:02 AM
US will send in troops and free Sweden from Muslim oppression.





Oh I forgot, Sweden has no oil. Sorry.
US has yet to free itself from Muslim oppression, they are hardly in a position to help anyone else.

(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000409915/polls_bush1_2134_893167_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 25, 2013, 09:47:18 AM
US has yet to free itself from Muslim oppression, they are hardly in a position to help anyone else.

(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000409915/polls_bush1_2134_893167_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Rami on May 25, 2013, 09:49:37 AM


It's so true.

Sweden better start drilling.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 25, 2013, 09:52:55 AM
US will send in troops and free Sweden from Muslim oppression.





Oh I forgot, Sweden has no oil. Sorry.

Where is this oil from Iraq and Afghanistan?  ???  ??? if anything wouldn't we invade South America seeing that's where we get a majority of our oil?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Mawse on May 25, 2013, 10:47:33 AM
Regarding Muslims and dogs, I was watching this documentary about Saudi Arabia where
some type of province leader was talking about implementation of sharia law etc. At some point
the guy mentioned his little daughter and how she was excited about her new puppy. I told my
brother, "I thought Muslims didn't have dogs as pets?" My brother said the "higher-ups" didn't
follow the same rules, that they could do wtf they wanted.

Thoughts?

This Rotten Mortimer guy does not sound like a native Swede, as irongrip said. Anyway, this type of guy is the most hateful type of person despite preaching tolerance and their love for the Somali and Gypsy etc. Very very angry, with huge disdain for common folk.

His first post explains his worldview:

It's a nice idea, but who really believes this? Who lives after this principle? Maybe he can share his
apartment in Stockholm inner city with me. He was just lucky he didn't have to live in a slummy suburb like me, with these wonderful burka and skirt wearing (for the males) Muslims as neighbours, and should share the wealth. ::)

these self loathing Quislings don't seem to be able to grasp the simple fact that their 'landmass' is only attractive because the native swedes spent hundreds of years and billions of dollars on building it up into a first world nation. If you let the 3rd world goat-herding rapists and child soldiers come to your country at least make them live in 'landmass' that hasn't been developed - in a part of the country where no-one else lives
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 25, 2013, 11:13:17 AM
French Soldier Stabbed While On Patrol Near Paris (Attacker: Bearded man, Arab clothing)
 Reuters ^ | Saturday, May 25, 2013 | Reporting by Nicolas Bertin; Writing by Nick Vinocur; Editing by Andredw Roche
 
Posted on Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:09:09 PM by kristinn

A French soldier patrolling a business neighborhood west of Paris was stabbed in the neck on Saturday by a man who quickly fled the scene and is being sought by police, President Francois Hollande said.

The soldier was patrolling in uniform with two other men as part of France's Vigipirate anti-terrorist surveillance plan when he was approached from behind around 1800 p.m. and stabbed in the neck with a knife or a box-cutter.

SNIP

Peyvel said the man was able to flee into a crowded shopping area in the La Defense business neighborhood before the two other soldiers, who were walking in front of him, were able to react.

French daily Le Parisien cited a police source as saying the suspected attacker was a bearded man of North African origin about 30 years old, and was wearing an Arab-style garment under his jacket.  

However, Peyvel declined to confirm or deny that description and said further details about the attacker's identity would be forthcoming.


(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Luolamies on May 25, 2013, 01:56:45 PM
Some excellent post's by NATIVE SWEDES and Patriotic Americans!

 8)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 25, 2013, 02:07:35 PM
Post's by people, living in the past..

  ::)

Agreed
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 25, 2013, 02:14:50 PM
Some excellent post's by NATIVE SWEDES and Patriotic Americans!

 8)

(http://ai.dangerready.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/American-Patriot-Color-777x1024.png)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 25, 2013, 02:43:05 PM
(http://ai.dangerready.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/American-Patriot-Color-777x1024.png)

So proud that you even left your country?  ::)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 25, 2013, 02:48:30 PM
hes doing diplomatic work ;D

Call him a promo slut  ;D
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 25, 2013, 02:53:39 PM
So proud that you even left your country?  ::)

i'm very shocked that you haven't yet figured out that i'm a huge troll, rivaling che and p.i.p :-\ :-\ :-\

p.s. don't take much of what i post too serious man
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Luolamies on May 25, 2013, 02:57:50 PM
i'm very shocked that you haven't yet figured out that i'm a huge troll, rivaling che and p.i.p :-\ :-\ :-\

p.s. don't take much of what i post too serious man

You're not a troll, it's all just roid rage from superdrol! It's good that you use because legally speaking you can do ANYTHING and just tell the judge that it was s-drol and you'll get off!
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 25, 2013, 03:03:48 PM
i'm very shocked that you haven't yet figured out that i'm a huge troll, rivaling che and p.i.p :-\ :-\ :-\

p.s. don't take much of what i post too serious man

I understand the sarcasm of that picture you've just posted, but why the denial about your nationalistic feelings?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 25, 2013, 03:04:59 PM
You're not a troll, it's all just roid rage from superdrol! It's good that you use because legally speaking you can do ANYTHING and just tell the judge that it was s-drol and you'll get off!

i've been @ 30 mg for almost 2 weeks now, and my bodyweight is up 5 kilo and my ab skinfold is still @ 4 mm 8)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 25, 2013, 03:07:51 PM
I understand the sarcasm of that picture you've just posted, but why the denial about your nationalistic feelings?

i think that you're mistaking "nationalism" for "narcissism" man

i think that i'm the best, not that my country is
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 25, 2013, 03:28:50 PM
i think that you're mistaking "nationalism" for "narcissism" man

i think that i'm the best, not that my country is

You're an OK guy, and I mean that, but please, stop that "good, better, best" stuff, there's absolutely no need to do that.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: deadpan on May 25, 2013, 06:40:09 PM
Where is this oil from Iraq and Afghanistan?  ???  ??? if anything wouldn't we invade South America seeing that's where we get a majority of our oil?

south america and canada. and yeah, we get something like 5% of our oil from iraq and afghanistan, not a huge a portion like all the "blood for oil" diehards seem to think. could easily make up that number by drilling in the gulf coast.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Papper on May 26, 2013, 05:33:46 AM


(http://www.frihetssmedjan.se/wp-content/uploads/muhammed-rondelllit.jpg)

(http://thoralfalfsson.webblogg.se/images/2007/muhammed_bomb_1184598274_1610480.jpg)

(http://www.vilks.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/muh-hund-aiklit.JPG)

(http://www.samtiden.com/sites/all/themes/testtwo/images/rondellhund.JPG)

(http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/recent/svensk-som-muh_rondel.JPG)

(http://tundratabloids.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/cartoon-muhammad-dog.jpg)

(http://europenews.dk/files/vilks-hund.png)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: DroppingPlates on May 26, 2013, 06:04:56 AM


Do you want to make a statement or what?
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Tedim on May 26, 2013, 06:07:37 AM

(http://www.frihetssmedjan.se/wp-content/uploads/muhammed-rondelllit.jpg)

(http://thoralfalfsson.webblogg.se/images/2007/muhammed_bomb_1184598274_1610480.jpg)

(http://www.vilks.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/muh-hund-aiklit.JPG)

(http://www.samtiden.com/sites/all/themes/testtwo/images/rondellhund.JPG)

(http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/recent/svensk-som-muh_rondel.JPG)

(http://tundratabloids.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/cartoon-muhammad-dog.jpg)

(http://europenews.dk/files/vilks-hund.png)

Two thumbs up..but the tail should be curly and the fag should be sporting a snout.
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Roger Bacon on May 26, 2013, 10:41:45 AM
i'm very shocked that you haven't yet figured out that i'm a huge troll, rivaling che and p.i.p :-\ :-\ :-\

p.s. don't take much of what i post too serious man

haha...

I'm honored!
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Papper on May 26, 2013, 01:37:49 PM
Do you want to make a statement or what?

Naw just wants to bait muslims
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: dj181 on May 26, 2013, 01:42:22 PM
haha...

I'm honored!

 ;D ;D ;D

Columbus, Ohio FTMFW brother!!!!
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Tedim on May 26, 2013, 04:52:59 PM
 8)
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Tedim on May 26, 2013, 04:53:44 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: kofo on May 27, 2013, 02:24:02 AM
If those muslims where hard working and successful, becoming rocket scientists, brain surgents, police officers, lawyers, running big business etc then I would worry...

Like it is now they have no initiative or imagination, they seem apathic, unaible to take care of themselves. Not so bad really...
Title: Re: The Muslims are at it again, Rioting in Sweden. Multiculturalism questioned.
Post by: Mawse on May 27, 2013, 08:39:20 AM
If those muslims where hard working and successful, becoming rocket scientists, brain surgents, police officers, lawyers, running big business etc then I would worry...

Like it is now they have no initiative or imagination, they seem apathic, unaible to take care of themselves. Not so bad really...


Uh, what? The majority muzzies we let in the us ( not the scumbag Somalis etc that get in because of Ted Kennedy's refugee and diversity laws) are educated and wealthy because unlike Sweden etc we have tough immigration laws unless you're a Mexican redneck. 

They don't break the law and pay lots of tax and their us born kids do not become bearded radicalized rapists after reading Islam message boards