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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Howard on January 01, 2013, 03:52:27 PM
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Good Lord ! I have to laugh when I think back on al the pathetic guys I met who suck as bodybuilders and blame it on "drugs".
Really? If it is all drugs , why not just do what drugs it takes and acomplish the following:
1. Win an NPC national qualifier 2 win an NPC national level pro qualifier and get pro card
3. win a pro event 4. go the the Olympia and be a top 5 guy.
The guys that claim its' all drugs refuse to admit they lack the basic genetic talent and drive to make it in bodybuilding.
I guess facing the hard reality they lack the goods is tough to deal with.
The disgruntled wannabees always have a laundry list of excuses, from judguing politics to drugs, etc.
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Most people who say "its all drugs" also know its about the genetic response to drugs. When I say, "its all drugs" I am also implying that the particular person has an insane genetic response to drugs. So its drugs and genetics.
As for drive LOL! Paul Dillet and Flex Wheeler were extremely lazy in the gym, and both could be considered great bodybuilder.
If you have great genetics and access to the best drugs, you can easily become a pro with a shitty work ethic. Thats how important drugs and genetics are. Maybe you wont be ronnie coleman, but with the right genes, you will look like Flex Wheeler.
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Good Lord ! I have to laugh when I think back on al the pathetic guys I met who suck as bodybuilders and blame it on "drugs".
Really? If it is all drugs , why not just do what drugs it takes and acomplish the following:
1. Win an NPC national qualifier 2 win an NPC national level pro qualifier and get pro card
3. win a pro event 4. go the the Olympia and be a top 5 guy.
The guys that claim its' all drugs refuse to admit they lack the basic genetic talent and drive to make it in bodybuilding.
I guess facing the hard reality they lack the goods is tough to deal with.
The disgruntled wannabees always have a laundry list of excuses, from judguing politics to drugs, etc.
i also lack the inclination to be a homosexual or a taxi driver...
i'm a big strong guy who trains naturally
bodybuilding is a failed sport
and there are far too many drugs involved
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drug access is an issue for most. also many people don't want to spend ages 40 and up with no cartilage and hooked up to a dialysis machine
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I really think I could do something with it, but I'm not willing to kill myself for it.
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Most people who say "its all drugs" also know its about the genetic response to drugs. When I say, "its all drugs" I am also implying that the particular person has an insane genetic response to drugs. So its drugs and genetics.
That's all that need to be said, all DRUGS!!!
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Good Lord ! I have to laugh when I think back on al the pathetic guys I met who suck as bodybuilders and blame it on "drugs".
Really? If it is all drugs , why not just do what drugs it takes and acomplish the following:
1. Win an NPC national qualifier 2 win an NPC national level pro qualifier and get pro card
3. win a pro event 4. go the the Olympia and be a top 5 guy.
The guys that claim its' all drugs refuse to admit they lack the basic genetic talent and drive to make it in bodybuilding.
I guess facing the hard reality they lack the goods is tough to deal with.
The disgruntled wannabees always have a laundry list of excuses, from judguing politics to drugs, etc.
Outstanding post.....I agree with you wholeheartedly!
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I really think I could do something with it, but I'm not willing to kill myself for it.
I'm in the same camp and had no desire to spend the $$ or take the risks, etc.
BUT, I didn't say that drugs were the reason I didn't become a pro BB.
In all modesty I did better in actual contests then most here at GET Big .
The best guys have the basic talent for the sport and the rest of us don't.
Just admit that and move on is my deal.
Why make a million excuses is my thread question.?????
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Okay, you're right, Howard. It's a bit more than all drugs. You need to suck dick to place ahead in competitions or to get sponsors. And you need to sell drugs to be able to pay for your drugs, so you have to be comfortable with inflating prices and selling to utter douchebags. You're very right, Howard. There's a lot more to bodybuilding than just drugs!
You guys are delusional, listen to Howard. He's a very seasoned schmoe.
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Outstanding post.....I agree with you wholeheartedly!
Thanks.
It cracks me up how some will come back with the genetics point which is obvious.
If you don't respond to training or steroids or whatever, you won't build impressive muscle size...doah!
Why do some misguided gym rats keep searching for the magic secret drug potion and guru? LOL
If you don't have the talent ( genetics) , then you don't ...end of story.
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Thanks.
It cracks me up how some will come back with the genetics point which is obvious.
If you don't respond to training or steroids or whatever, you won't build impressive muscle size...doah!
Why do some misguided gym rats keep searching for the magic secret drug potion and guru? LOL
If you don't have the talent ( genetics) , then you don't ...end of story.
I give this thread a D-
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Okay, you're right, Howard. It's a bit more than all drugs. You need to suck dick to place ahead in competitions or to get sponsors. And you need to sell drugs to be able to pay for your drugs, so you have to be comfortable with inflating prices and selling to utter douchebags. You're very right, Howard. There's a lot more to bodybuilding than just drugs!
You guys are delusional, listen to Howard. He's a very seasoned schmoe.
So Jay, Ronnie, Lee Haney, Yates and Arnold, etc sucked the judges dicks? Give me a break.
Yes, plenty of lower tier pros and pro card wannabees did some dumb shit to try to get an edge.
After the dust clears, the legends of bodybuilding got there based on their talent and drive.
Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman have 8 Olympias each ( the record) and never did any of that crap.
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I give this thread a D-
Yeah, truth and mundane facts suck for most getbiggers.
Lots more fun to believe the horseshit from some unknown internet drug guru like GH15.
LOL, at least I'm not trying to sell some BS product and rip people off.
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Most people who say "its all drugs" also know its about the genetic response to drugs. When I say, "its all drugs" I am also implying that the particular person has an insane genetic response to drugs. So its drugs and genetics.
As for drive LOL! Paul Dillet and Flex Wheeler were extremely lazy in the gym, and both could be considered great bodybuilder.
If you have great genetics and access to the best drugs, you can easily become a pro with a shitty work ethic. Thats how important drugs and genetics are. Maybe you wont be ronnie coleman, but with the right genes, you will look like Flex Wheeler.
Calling them lazy is like saying a sprinter is lazy compared to a distance runner. They wernt lazy the just responded to that type of training. Lazy is the weekend warrior who trains and makes no progress.
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Yeah, truth and mundane facts suck for most getbiggers.
Lots more fun to believe the horseshit from some unknown internet drug guru like GH15.
LOL, at least I'm not trying to sell some BS product and rip people off.
Whatever dude. I would like to think that I have the credentials to call this thread a D-. Keep whining and we can make that an "F".
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Okay, you're right, Howard. It's a bit more than all drugs. You need to suck dick to place ahead in competitions or to get sponsors. And you need to sell drugs to be able to pay for your drugs, so you have to be comfortable with inflating prices and selling to utter douchebags. You're very right, Howard. There's a lot more to bodybuilding than just drugs!
You guys are delusional, listen to Howard. He's a very seasoned schmoe.
hey dustin......go screw yourself.....take your loser attitude somewhere else.
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Whatever dude. I would like to think that I have the credentials to call this thread a D-. Keep whining and we can make that an "F".
What credentials? who are you? Ronnie? Jay? some nobody who does cross fit?
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Thanks.
It cracks me up how some will come back with the genetics point which is obvious.
If you don't respond to training or steroids or whatever, you won't build impressive muscle size...doah!
Why do some misguided gym rats keep searching for the magic secret drug potion and guru? LOL
If you don't have the talent ( genetics) , then you don't ...end of story.
Exactly right!
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So Jay, Ronnie, Lee Haney, Yates and Arnold, etc sucked the judges dicks? Give me a break.
Yes, plenty of lower tier pros and pro card wannabees did some dumb shit to try to get an edge.
After the dust clears, the legends of bodybuilding got there based on their talent and drive.
Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman have 8 Olympias each ( the record) and never did any of that crap.
Not all of them, but some of them have sicked dick, Howie. I'm not against it, it's just not my cup of tea.
hey dustin......go screw yourself.....take your loser attitude somewhere else.
No, you go screw yourself "wild willie". Be real; it's all drugs. There's no shame it in. It's not a sport, it's a hobby. I enjoy the hobby too. No shame. I enjoy leaning the fuck out on tren and masteron, then blowing up on Anadrol and having people stare at me. I like being a jacked up nerd with an awesome physique even though it's not entirely healthy. Face the facts like the rest of us. It is what it is.
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Calling them lazy is like saying a sprinter is lazy compared to a distance runner. They wernt lazy the just responded to that type of training. Lazy is the weekend warrior who trains and makes no progress.
no, they were lazy. Plain and simple. No need to over analyze things.
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who are these people saying its all drugs? what do they look like and what have they accomplished? makes me wonder why they have given up so easy
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What credentials? who are you? Ronnie? Jay? some nobody who does cross fit?
Nice try. I have had active membership in over 50 chat forums, many of which I acted in the capacity of moderator. I have also been a member of a telephone chat line since 1992 and to this day periodically serve as a guest moderator. Those are my credentials, son.
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No one is denying the training, discipline, food and genetics. The same as in any other bodybuilding org. Only in the Pros. It's drugs and a shit ton of them.
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Bullshit if you have good genetics and a balanced physique and can train hard and heavy without injury.Load up on upto 8grams of gear a week,eat high protein and get enough rest and boom in the next 10 years you could be an ifbb pro,but once you get your pro card stop all drugs as they are banned just ask JIM M.
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By the way Howie. The best pros will be the ones with the best genetics on the most drugs. That's the natural order of things. That is assuming all other things are equal such as training, food, discipline and drugs (which they are).
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It's also nice to have a nice receptor to the drug just ask M Mustaffa or Mike Morris or even Tom Platz for that matter.All look great without the drug use.
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By the way Howie. The best pros will be the ones with the best genetics on the most drugs. That's the natural order of things. That is assuming all other things are equal such as training, food, discipline and drugs (which they are).
What a good little parrot.
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What a good little parrot.
Am I wrong?
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Most people who say "its all drugs" also know its about the genetic response to drugs. When I say, "its all drugs" I am also implying that the particular person has an insane genetic response to drugs. So its drugs and genetics.
As for drive LOL! Paul Dillet and Flex Wheeler were extremely lazy in the gym, and both could be considered great bodybuilder.
If you have great genetics and access to the best drugs, you can easily become a pro with a shitty work ethic. Thats how important drugs and genetics are. Maybe you wont be ronnie coleman, but with the right genes, you will look like Flex Wheeler.
Yes. Flex worked out throughout his teenage years i.e. more than enough time to put on good natural size, and he ended up at a self-admitted 140lbs at 5'11. He had the right structure (joints etc.) but pretty much ALL his muscular size came from drugs:
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2344451&stc=1&d=1267028746)
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Good Lord ! I have to laugh when I think back on al the pathetic guys I met who suck as bodybuilders and blame it on "drugs".
Really? If it is all drugs , why not just do what drugs it takes and acomplish the following:
1. Win an NPC national qualifier 2 win an NPC national level pro qualifier and get pro card
3. win a pro event 4. go the the Olympia and be a top 5 guy.
The guys that claim its' all drugs refuse to admit they lack the basic genetic talent and drive to make it in bodybuilding.
I guess facing the hard reality they lack the goods is tough to deal with.
The disgruntled wannabees always have a laundry list of excuses, from judguing politics to drugs, etc.
It's all drugs retard , you can't be a successful bodybuilder without abusing them , remember Kai Greene almost quit bodybuilding because he couldn't afford the drugs .
Ronnie Coleman ,Phil Heath ,Jay Cutler ............... etc . aren't genetic freaks , they are just the best in the world of a tiny group ( 0.0000001 % of world's population ) that are not afraid to abuse drugs (and have the money to afford it )to take it to the next level.
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Yes. Flex worked out throughout his teenage years i.e. more than enough time to put on good natural size, and he ended up at a self-admitted 140lbs at 5'11. He had the right structure (joints etc.) but pretty much ALL his muscular size came from drugs:
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2344451&stc=1&d=1267028746)
Flex muscles came from a lot of oil and a little drugs
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It's all drugs retard , you can't be a successful bodybuilder without abusing them , remember Kai Greene almost quit bodybuilding because he couldn't afford the drugs .
Ronnie Coleman ,Phil Heath ,Jay Cutler ............... etc . aren't genetic freaks , they are just the best in the world of a tiny group ( 0.0000001 % of world's population ) that are not afraid to abuse drugs (and have the money to afford it )to take it to the next level.
"STFU you stupid bitch FAGGOT no one cares."
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Nice try. I have had active membership in over 50 chat forums, many of which I acted in the capacity of moderator. I have also been a member of a telephone chat line since 1992 and to this day periodically serve as a guest moderator. Those are my credentials, son.
OMG! I had no idea you were an approved member of the IBF ( Internet Board Forums).
I admit that my resume doesn't include any credentials like THAT ;)
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It's all drugs retard , you can't be a successful bodybuilder without abusing them , remember Kai Greene almost quit bodybuilding because he couldn't afford the drugs .
Ronnie Coleman ,Phil Heath ,Jay Cutler ............... etc . aren't genetic freaks , they are just the best in the world of a tiny group ( 0.0000001 % of world's population ) that are not afraid to abuse drugs (and have the money to afford it )to take it to the next level.
Kai was the dominate force as a WNBF natural pro in his early 20's .
Ronnie won the Olympia a record tieing 8 times and Phil Heath is known as "the gift".
Jay competes at a ripped 270 and turned pro within 3-4 contests.
Oh yeah, right they are NOT genetic freaks, right?
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Am I wrong?
I never said that pros don't take drugs .
While the reaction to drugs plays a role, I believe that 90% of the top pros would still be top bodybuilders if nobody used drugs.
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I never said that pros don't take drugs .
While the reaction to drugs plays a role, I believe that 90% of the top pros would still be top bodybuilders if nobody used drugs.
And the best pros take are the ones with the best genetics that take the most drugs. Therefore all drugs. Look, I don't have a problem with it. Just don't lie about it. It's true.
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Kai was the dominate force as a WNBF natural pro in his early 20's .
Ronnie won the Olympia a record tieing 8 times and Phil Heath is known as "the gift".
Jay competes at a ripped 270 and turned pro within 3-4 contests.
Oh yeah, right they are NOT genetic freaks, right?
I never said that pros don't take drugs .
While the reaction to drugs plays a role, I believe that 90% of the top pros would still be top bodybuilders if nobody used drugs.
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shawn ray build wise,shape wise was one of the most genetically gifted bbers all time he turned pro at 21 in 87 winning the nationals overall from a huge phil hill,,he won teen nationals as well he was using drugs by 18 full time and i;m sure enough to hang with guys in there 20;s struggling to win a local show,,,so yes genetics key with drug use young and right time competing to win local to state to national title quick 3 yrs to 5 max and get noticed ,go pro ,then start all over again trying to place or win pro show's ,,,tough road ,,starts young in terms of raw build and tools to be good or great,,,
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shawn ray build wise,shape wise was one of the most genetically gifted bbers all time he turned pro at 21 in 87 winning the nationals overall from a huge phil hill,,he won teen nationals as well he was using drugs by 18 full time and i;m sure enough to hang with guys in there 20;s struggling to win a local show,,,so yes genetics key with drug use young and right time competing to win local to state to national title quick 3 yrs to 5 max and get noticed ,go pro ,then start all over again trying to place or win pro show's ,,,tough road ,,starts young in terms of raw build and tools to be good or great,,,
Great post!
You did a better job summing up what a struggle it is to make it in bodybuilding.
Sure all the top guys use plenty of drugs in pro BB.
Since they all use the same drugs , it comes down to the other factors that determine success.
The bitter guys who don't cut it, need an excuse to feel better about why they suck.
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DNA PLUS PED EQUALS IFBB
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i also lack the inclination to be a homosexual or a taxi driver...
lol
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DNA PLUS PED EQUALS IFBB
Dat be 90% of it, no question. The last 10% is staying the course with the diets and contest prep, etc
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Big Jim Manion says it's all smoke and mirrors.No Drugs in the IFBB.Just ask him.lol
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Good Lord ! I have to laugh when I think back on al the pathetic guys I met who suck as bodybuilders and blame it on "drugs".
Really? If it is all drugs , why not just do what drugs it takes and acomplish the following:
1. Win an NPC national qualifier 2 win an NPC national level pro qualifier and get pro card
3. win a pro event 4. go the the Olympia and be a top 5 guy.
The guys that claim its' all drugs refuse to admit they lack the basic genetic talent and drive to make it in bodybuilding.
I guess facing the hard reality they lack the goods is tough to deal with.
The disgruntled wannabees always have a laundry list of excuses, from judguing politics to drugs, etc.
You're a funny guy. Not very bright, but funny. I suppose if you are looking for attention starting a thread like this is better than farting continuously in
an elevator filled with ex-cons.
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Good Lord ! I have to laugh when I think back on al the pathetic guys I met who suck as bodybuilders and blame it on "drugs".
Really? If it is all drugs , why not just do what drugs it takes and acomplish the following:
1. Win an NPC national qualifier 2 win an NPC national level pro qualifier and get pro card
3. win a pro event 4. go the the Olympia and be a top 5 guy.
The guys that claim its' all drugs refuse to admit they lack the basic genetic talent and drive to make it in bodybuilding.
I guess facing the hard reality they lack the goods is tough to deal with.
The disgruntled wannabees always have a laundry list of excuses, from judguing politics to drugs, etc.
Howard is bored on winter break :)
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80% chemicals // 20% dedication
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Yes. Flex worked out throughout his teenage years i.e. more than enough time to put on good natural size, and he ended up at a self-admitted 140lbs at 5'11. He had the right structure (joints etc.) but pretty much ALL his muscular size came from drugs:
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2344451&stc=1&d=1267028746)
no shit
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80% chemicals // 20% dedication
What do you docs think when you see a sample contest prep-pro cycle? Does it blow your mind more than the average joe?
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I never said that pros don't take drugs .
While the reaction to drugs plays a role, I believe that 90% of the top pros would still be top bodybuilders if nobody used drugs.
thats bullshit, and only because most of the pros of today wouldn't have the work ethic required to get huge the old fashioned way. they just aren't the right type of person.