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Title: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: calmus on June 07, 2008, 09:29:17 PM
WTF? Horses are allowed to juice?
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: WillGrant on June 07, 2008, 09:36:07 PM
WTF? Horses are allowed to juice?
EQ is a horsedrug..
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: calmus on June 07, 2008, 09:39:43 PM
Hence the "equi"  I thought racehorses couldn't juice though- against the rules or something.  But Big Brown was shooting up like some equine Ben Johnson.
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: WillGrant on June 07, 2008, 09:45:04 PM
Hence the "equi"  I thought racehorses couldn't juice though- against the rules or something.  But Big Brown was shooting up like some equine Ben Johnson.
Not sure on american horse race rules but i know down under they are aloud to use it to aid in injury recovery,hence EQ being invented for horses but winstrol? lol he should get up on stage  :D
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: onlyme on June 07, 2008, 10:43:55 PM
Not sure on american horse race rules but i know down under they are aloud to use it to aid in injury recovery,hence EQ being invented for horses but winstrol? lol he should get up on stage  :D

Winstrol V has been around since the 80's. 
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: Beener on June 07, 2008, 10:51:08 PM
WTF? Horses are allowed to juice?

Half way through the race did the horses get into a pose down?
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: candidizzle on June 07, 2008, 11:44:39 PM
I HEARD THEY GOT THE FIX IN FOR THIS YEARS KENTUCKY DERBY.... THEYR JUICING UP THE HORSE NAMED THEFRIDGE0607 WITH A BUNCH OF SLIN GH AND TEST ....  THE HORSE IS SUPPOSEDLY BIG AND FULL BUT FOR SOME REAOSN LACKING VASCULARITY
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: Heywood on June 07, 2008, 11:55:26 PM
Half way through the race did the horses get into a pose down?


No, but some of the more insecure horses flex their lats, which hurts their running time.

Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: webcake on June 07, 2008, 11:57:19 PM
I HEARD THEY GOT THE FIX IN FOR THIS YEARS KENTUCKY DERBY.... THEYR JUICING UP THE HORSE NAMED THEFRIDGE0607 WITH A BUNCH OF SLIN GH AND TEST ....  THE HORSE IS SUPPOSEDLY BIG AND FULL BUT FOR SOME REAOSN LACKING VASCULARITY

but he is the best representative of the sport of horse racing, so who cares? :D
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: Tre on June 08, 2008, 12:00:09 AM

I don't have a problem with horses on gear.

I have a problem with the 'horses are athletes, too' lobbyists.
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: candidizzle on June 08, 2008, 12:00:46 AM
but he is the best representative of the sport of horse racing, so who cares? :D
the fridge0607 came in watery and soft to last years ketnucky derby so he had better come in shredded or hes gonna be elmers glue
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: WillGrant on June 08, 2008, 12:06:32 AM
Winstrol V has been around since the 80's. 
Oh Yeah dirty Vet Gear.
Did you use much back in the day?
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: m8 on June 08, 2008, 12:07:57 AM
all drugs.
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: no one on June 08, 2008, 12:55:47 AM
horse racing is all about drugs. not just steroids, but things like cobra venom, milkshakes (baking soda and water) and pretty much anything that will give your a horse an edge. thats why alot of tracks for big races (breeders cup, etc)will institute a drug barn where NO ONE will have access to the horses for a period of 24 hours to clean them out.
 
that being said dutrow (big brown's trainer) has several suspensions for violating drug policies in that sport. if you are ever going to bet a horse, play an angle where dutrow has picked a horse up off a claim, has worked him a couple of times since picking him up in the month or two he's had him- track fractions don't matter all you want to see is that he's being worked-  (or even second off the the layoff is a good angle with him too) and key that horse on your ticket and it'll run out it's skin.

dutrow runs rocket fuel.

Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: 2ND COMING on June 08, 2008, 01:15:03 AM
so dutrow pays off casino drive's owner/trainer....they bow out and he still doesnt win in a miserable field
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: onlyme on June 08, 2008, 01:19:25 AM
Oh Yeah dirty Vet Gear.
Did you use much back in the day?

No, all I ever used was Test Cyp 200 mg.  I did 1cc a day for 6 months straight and never took anything since.  About ten years after my last shot I still did a 505 incline.
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: WillGrant on June 08, 2008, 02:14:00 AM
No, all I ever used was Test Cyp 200 mg.  I did 1cc a day for 6 months straight and never took anything since.  About ten years after my last shot I still did a 505 incline.
S0 1400mg a week for 6 months?
What were your best lifts while on?
505 Is damm impressive . 8)

No PCT back then either?So cold turkey or did you taper off your doses?
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: 240 is Back on June 08, 2008, 04:19:19 AM
Lockett was robbed.
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: Meso_z on June 08, 2008, 05:08:03 AM
Yes its true, "Straight from the horses mouth".  ;D
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: Fourslot40 on June 08, 2008, 06:57:51 AM
A majority of horses receive steroid injections.  Big Brown wasn't the only horse in the field at the KD or Preakness that had injections so the wins are not because of the juice.  It does help the horse, but much like pro bodybuilding, they all are doing it so the field is even in that regard.
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: MisterGX on June 08, 2008, 08:22:12 AM
Not sure on american horse race rules but i know down under they are aloud to use it to aid in injury recovery,hence EQ being invented for horses but winstrol? lol he should get up on stage  :D

Winstol V is a veterinary drug... 
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: thelamefalsehood on June 08, 2008, 08:31:53 AM
They said Big Brown missed his May 15th scheduled shot of winni, and they made it sound like he only took one a month, so he hadn't been juiced for a while. The owners wanted to prove he could win yesterdays race without it, and he comes in last. So Big Brown=All Drugs
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: PRO Chemical on June 08, 2008, 08:50:07 AM
horse dick
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: bigguns23 on June 08, 2008, 10:04:17 AM
EQ is a horsedrug..

And a good one at that :D
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: onlyme on June 08, 2008, 10:50:55 AM
S0 1400mg a week for 6 months?
What were your best lifts while on?
505 Is damm impressive . 8)

No PCT back then either?So cold turkey or did you taper off your doses?

No I totally just quit.  Wasn't going to compete anymore so no need for them.  Even my trainer partner Ray Mentzer thought it was incredible how much test I did.  back then they were doing some article in Flex or M&F and i think the guys name was prokop or something like that.  He talked to me on the phone for awhile asking me questions about my use and if it affected me. 
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 08, 2008, 12:21:10 PM
America (and only America) allows legitimate steroid use in horses.  Only EQ (and you have to meet certain requirements for this and provide proof and then it is never more than a predetermined amount of time) and Winstrol (use it anytime, as long as you want) are allowed.

No other country allows this practice of doping the horses.  The trade off is that EQ while allowing more endurance due to the increase in red blood cells is only allowed a certain amount of time.  Winstrol  has no limits as it is common knowledge overuse leads to joint pain.  Which is why trainers are pumping high volumes of pain killers into the animals as well.
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: calmus on June 08, 2008, 12:25:42 PM
Interesting.  I didn't know the sport was so fucked up. 

Dutrow sounds like absolute scum, and the owner Iavarone is the kind of guy the movie Boiler Room was based on. I feel bad for the horse, but I'm glad he didn't win.  Iavarone is a grade A huckster.
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 08, 2008, 12:29:54 PM
I interned under a stable in college for class credit.  (friend owned the stable and basically set up me to get quick credits with little effort)

I learned quite a lot about the industry then.  Quite a bunch of shady shit goes on.  You have to ask yourself that why on earth would someone race a horse so young when their bones have not stopped growing yet.  You can't think of a logical reason for that.  Until you realize that they had no choice as they were basically "told" they had to do it.
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: calmus on June 08, 2008, 12:31:47 PM
The bones not grown part would explain what happened to the Derby winner last year and the runner-up this year.  Wow, this sport's more fucked up than bb.  Although I guess the human body count is lower.
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: LurkerNoMore on June 08, 2008, 12:42:31 PM
The bones not grown part would explain what happened to the Derby winner last year and the runner-up this year.  Wow, this sport's more fucked up than bb.  Although I guess the human body count is lower.

Only because they don't kill the human immediately when a career changing injury occurs.  Or else Yates would have been put down before his last two Mr O appearances.

In truthfullness, European horse racing is better overall, but only by a sly margin.  They do outlaw anabolics and painkillers.  Unfortunately they don't really have much of a sensational hype like we have every couple years with Big Brown and others.  It would be like going to see Jordan play basketball and he doesn't dunk a single time in the whole game.
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: tommywishbone on June 08, 2008, 03:06:45 PM
Next to professional boxing, horse racing is the number 2 most fixed & dirty sport anywhere. Every horse is on a trunk full of drugs. Jockeys are paid to finish 2nd or 5th or whatever... Con men and crooks permeate the sport from top-to-bottom.

The horses are very cool.
Title: Re: Big Brown(horse) was legally on winstrol until days before Kentucky Derby
Post by: calmus on June 08, 2008, 03:11:49 PM


The horses are very cool.

I've heard that some of them are in league with organized crime though.