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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1050 on: June 27, 2013, 07:45:34 AM »
They were going there anyway. It's more proof of the moral degradation of America caused by liberalism. On the bright side. When they get divorced there spouse and figured out its an exit and not and entrance, they'll suffer the same financial loss as traditional marriages. This ruling, as wrong as it was, is all about the $$$$. Other than, we could give a shit what they do behind closed doors. Keep your sexuality to yourselves around kids.

I have to disagree.  I see this ruling as a natural expansion of basic rights to those who have been denied them.  However, these new rights should not infringe on existing rights of churches.  As long as churches are allowed to choose who gets married in their church I'm fine.  I will fight tooth and nail to ensure that happens.
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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1051 on: June 27, 2013, 08:00:12 AM »
I have to disagree.  I see this ruling as a natural expansion of basic rights to those who have been denied them.  However, these new rights should not infringe on existing rights of churches.  As long as churches are allowed to choose who gets married in their church I'm fine.  I will fight tooth and nail to ensure that happens.

I am with you.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1052 on: June 27, 2013, 08:49:36 AM »
I have to disagree.  I see this ruling as a natural expansion of basic rights to those who have been denied them.  However, these new rights should not infringe on existing rights of churches.  As long as churches are allowed to choose who gets married in their church I'm fine.  I will fight tooth and nail to ensure that happens.

this won't effect churches at all but considering that churches are primarily money making operations it would not surprise me if some christian churches advertise that they will do gay weddings

btw - divorced people can't get married in a Catholic Church and there are plenty more divorced people in this country than gay people.   


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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1053 on: June 27, 2013, 08:53:33 AM »
this won't effect churches at all but considering that churches are primarily money making operations it would not surprise me if some christian churches advertise that they will do gay weddings

btw - divorced people can't get married in a Catholic Church and there are plenty more divorced people in this country than gay people.   



All you need is one gay couple turned away from a church to initiate a lawsuit.  I'd recommend that the gay and lesbian community take this victory and not push for church acceptance.
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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1054 on: June 27, 2013, 08:54:37 AM »
All you need is one gay couple turned away from a church to initiate a lawsuit.  I'd recommend that the gay and lesbian community take this victory and not push for church acceptance.

I agree... Legally, you can be married. Just do it at a courthouse or from someone who is legally allowed to marry you and enjoy.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1055 on: June 27, 2013, 09:06:34 AM »
All you need is one gay couple turned away from a church to initiate a lawsuit.  I'd recommend that the gay and lesbian community take this victory and not push for church acceptance.

why haven't any divorced couples sued the Catholic church

there was a Baptist church last year that won't marry a black couple
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/us/mississippi-black-couple-wedding

churches can make their own rules

they are basically private clubs/money raising operations

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1056 on: June 27, 2013, 09:13:04 AM »
why haven't any divorced couples sued the Catholic church

there was a Baptist church last year that won't marry a black couple
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/us/mississippi-black-couple-wedding

churches can make their own rules

they are basically private clubs/money raising operations

I agree with you.  I'm only saying that gay couples shouldn't bother to make this an issue. The argument that churches are private clubs/money raising operations is one I generally agree with. It's not a giant leap from that logic to forsee someone using the arguement in court that church's who marry a member not of their faith or of no faith at all is committing descrimination when they turn away gay couples.  Going after these churches will only fuel paranoia.
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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1057 on: June 27, 2013, 09:17:10 AM »
I agree with you.  I'm only saying that gay couples shouldn't bother to make this an issue. The argument that churches are private clubs/money raising operations is one I generally agree with. It's not a giant leap from that logic to forsee someone using the arguement in court that church's who marry a member not of their faith or of no faith at all is committing descrimination when they turn away gay couples.  Going after these churches will only fuel paranoia.

gay marriage has been legal for now in a number of states
have there been any lawsuits by gay people insisting on getting married in a church.   I'm not aware of any and I'm sure there are some churches that are performing gay marriages

I see nothing for any church to be worried about

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1058 on: June 27, 2013, 10:26:05 AM »
this won't effect churches at all but considering that churches are primarily money making operations it would not surprise me if some christian churches advertise that they will do gay weddings

btw - divorced people can't get married in a Catholic Church and there are plenty more divorced people in this country than gay people.   



Yes they can. Im going through it as we speak.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1059 on: June 27, 2013, 10:27:54 AM »
Yes they can. Im going through it as we speak.

you're getting married in a Catholic church?

did you get your last 4 marriages annulled?


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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1060 on: June 27, 2013, 10:32:56 AM »
It was the end of the world for the Military to allow openly gay soldiers, now its the end of the universe because of Gay marriage.

God will dis-own and repossess his cross

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« Reply #1061 on: June 27, 2013, 12:05:32 PM »
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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1062 on: June 27, 2013, 12:06:02 PM »
It was the end of the world for the Military to allow openly gay soldiers, now its the end of the universe because of Gay marriage.

God will dis-own and repossess his cross
I'm sure he has better uses for the wood.
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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1063 on: June 27, 2013, 12:07:37 PM »
That was their plan all along.

The goal is to take away their tax exempt status and secularize the country as a whole.

former gov Huckabee said he would be happy to have churches lose their tax exempt status if that allows them to continue to preach/teach political views.
then, of course, he has gone off the deep end years ago.
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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1064 on: June 27, 2013, 12:43:12 PM »
you're getting married in a Catholic church?

did you get your last 4 marriages annulled?



I'm doing it for my wife. I got out of the Catholic Church in 1997. For over 6 years we have been going through the process. It's a crock of crap. I turned in all of my paper work listing my past. I haven't got so much as an explanation as to why it's taking so long. My wife is a pretty hardcore catholic, but the "Church" doesn't recognize us as being married. I had to go back 25 years into my past. Didn't want to relive that crap...trust me.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1065 on: June 27, 2013, 12:47:03 PM »
I'm doing it for my wife. I got out of the Catholic Church in 1997. For over 6 years we have been going through the process. It's a crock of crap. I turned in all of my paper work listing my past. I haven't got so much as an explanation as to why it's taking so long. My wife is a pretty hardcore catholic, but the "Church" doesn't recognize us as being married. I had to go back 25 years into my past. Didn't want to relive that crap...trust me.

so did you get your prior marriages  annulled or is the church going to somehow deem them nullified for their purposes?

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1066 on: June 27, 2013, 12:50:40 PM »
I'm doing it for my wife. I got out of the Catholic Church in 1997. For over 6 years we have been going through the process. It's a crock of crap. I turned in all of my paper work listing my past. I haven't got so much as an explanation as to why it's taking so long. My wife is a pretty hardcore catholic, but the "Church" doesn't recognize us as being married. I had to go back 25 years into my past. Didn't want to relive that crap...trust me.

and then in addition to the pedo scandals they wonder why attendance in down the in the USA

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1067 on: June 27, 2013, 12:55:21 PM »
and then in addition to the pedo scandals they wonder why attendance in down the in the USA

Apparently Catholics take that vow before God thing kind of seriously


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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1068 on: June 27, 2013, 12:56:42 PM »
Apparently Catholics take that vow before God thing kind of seriously



From what i see and saw as an ex catholic, its more about the "church" than about god.

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1069 on: June 27, 2013, 12:58:59 PM »
From what i see and saw as an ex catholic, its more about the "church" than about god.

I don't know

I can't see the church passing up a chance to make some money

they are just as strident on the contraception thing too

No divorces, can't use the pill, etc...

child fucking is also frowned upon but obviously there is some wiggle room on that one

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1070 on: June 27, 2013, 01:41:56 PM »
From what i see and saw as an ex catholic, its more about the "church" than about god.

This^^^

50% of Catholics voted for Obama.

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« Reply #1071 on: June 27, 2013, 01:51:19 PM »
This^^^

50% of Catholics voted for Obama.

is there some hidden meaning in that for you?

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« Reply #1072 on: June 27, 2013, 01:55:57 PM »
This^^^

50% of Catholics voted for Obama.

More than 50% of the entire country voted for Obama... In all walks of life.

Baptists, Catholics, probably everyone but Mormons.

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« Reply #1073 on: June 27, 2013, 02:03:07 PM »
This^^^

50% of Catholics voted for Obama.

irrelevant

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Re: Supreme Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1074 on: June 27, 2013, 05:14:37 PM »
Court rejects gay rights cases from Ariz., Nev.
by CRISTINA SILVA and MATT WOOLBRIGHT

PHOENIX (AP) — Gay marriage proponents marked another victory Thursday after the U.S. Supreme Court rejected appeals from Arizona and Nevada involving the rights of same-sex couples.

The justices let stand an appeals court ruling striking down an Arizona law that made state employees in same-sex relationships ineligible for domestic partner benefits. The Nevada case was a challenge to the state's ban on same-sex marriage. The court did not elaborate on the reason for not taking up the cases.

The court's decisions on the two cases are not as sweeping as rulings Wednesday that made it a landmark week for gay rights. The Supreme Court issued decisions that struck down a provision that denies federal benefits to married gay couples and also cleared the way for state laws that recognize marriage equality.

In Arizona, the decision means dozens of same-sex state workers will be allowed to keep employee benefits. For the Nevada case, the gay marriage ban will remain intact, and the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco will decide the next step.

Republican Gov. Jan Brewer denied Thursday that Arizona had targeted gay couples and slammed the court for not recognizing the state's right to balance its budget by limiting employee benefits.

"This case has never been about domestic partners, same-sex or otherwise," Brewer said in a statement. "It is always been about the authority of elected state officials to make decisions with which we have been entrusted by the voters."

Arizona's constitution bans gay marriage and a 2009 law signed by Brewer repealed domestic partner benefits for state workers. Brewer said the state was in a fiscal crisis and couldn't afford to extend health care benefits to employees' dependents if they weren't married. She said the policy was legal because it applied to all employees, regardless of sexual orientation.

Gay marriage proponents counter that the policy was discriminatory because heterosexual couples may marry to obtain benefits, while gay couples can't under state law.

"The state is excluding only one group of employees from family coverage and that is lesbian and gay employees," said Tara Borelli, a lawyer for Lambda Legal in Los Angeles.

The conservative Center for Arizona Policy, which opposes gay marriage, had supported the state's position in court, and has vowed to fight any efforts to overturn the state's ban on gay marriage.

"The Legislature and the governor should have the authority to determine benefits for state employees," President Cathi Herrod said after the ruling.

The legal battle could soon be resolved by voters. Gay marriage proponents began gathering signatures Thursday to change the Arizona constitution and legalize gay marriage. The Equal Marriage Arizona campaign hopes to collect roughly 400,000 signatures to get its constitutional amendment on the ballot in 2014.

The Nevada case was originally filed on behalf of eight same-sex couples, and it argued that a 2002 state constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage violated the equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution by denying same-sex couples the same rights as married couples.

A federal judge in Reno ruled last year that the gay marriage ban was not a constitutional violation and it was upheld. The plaintiffs then appealed that decision to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals while the anti-gay marriage group requested the Supreme Court hear the appeal instead of the San Francisco court.

Borelli said Nevada law is questionable because the state grants domestic partners the same legal privileges afforded to married couples, while denying gays the right to marry. She said the state must rationalize the exclusion.

The Nevada Legislature recently approved a measure that would legalize gay marriage but changing the state constitution is a lengthy process. Lawmakers must pass the same resolution in 2015 before it goes to voters for final approval on the 2016 ballot. If it clears both hurdles, it would become law. If it fails at any stage, the five-year process must start over.

"We should just have a state law and be done with it," said Sen. Kelvin Atkinson, D-North Las Vegas. "In the constitution we shouldn't be defining marriage, that's not what the constitution is for."

Not legalizing same-sex marriage will have consequences for Nevada over time, said Atkinson, who made national headlines earlier this year when he publicly announced that he was gay during the state Senate's debate on marriage equality.

"We are a tourism state and we do rely on folks visiting our state, so some may decide they're not going to come here because they don't have the same rights here," Atkinson said.