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This man in an Idiot and Dangerous.........
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washington should be wiped of the map.
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RUSH: Found another Barack Obama YouTube video, ladies and gentlemen. This is back in 2007. This is a video that Obama made for a far left-wing organization in 2007, and if this gets wide airplay, Mrs. Clinton may yet have a chance. The rules committee and the bylaws committee meet tomorrow in Washington. There are planned protests. Women from across the spectrum are angry at what is being taken away from them via being hijacked from Mrs. Clinton by a rookie, a dweeb. Reverend Pfleger was right. Our Official Obama Criticizer got it right. And, by the way, Reverend Pfleger is not even original. I am the one who pointed out how Hillary feels. You know damn well they're sitting around... I've said this. I've said this months ago, Reverend Pfleger is a plagiarist. I said it in a little bit more dignified and classy manner than he did -- and of course I said it to you, not from the pulpit of Obama's church. But nevertheless if this video gets out, Mrs. Clinton may yet have a chance. This is Obama taping this message for the Caucus for Priorities, which is "a campaign that set out to recruit 10,000 Iowa caucus attendees to pledge support for the presidential candidate who is strongest in their commitment to significantly shift Pentagon funds to unmet social needs," and this is a video that Obama made for that group to convince them he was their guy to disarm the United States of America. The name of the group is the Caucus for Priorities, and here's what he said to them.
OBAMA: As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus for Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington. First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning -- and as president, I will end it. Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems, and I will institute an independent defense priorities board to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending. Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material, and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals. You know where I stand.
RUSH: That's Barack Obama in 2007 with a taped video appeal to a group called the Caucus for Priorities, getting ready to gin up for the Iowa cauci, the Hawkeye Cauci in early January 2008. This is truly bizarre. This is the first step toward disarming the United States -- and of course it presumes that the world will follow our lead in everything we do. It is not just bizarre. It is ignorant, it is risky and at the same time it is arrogant -- and when I saw this, when it was first shown to me yesterday, I said, "This has gotta be... I need proof of this. I can't believe that this hasn't gotten out. I cannot believe that this has not been more widely disbursed and distributed." I said, "I need some proof on this." We went out and we researched it. We found it is true, a story here from March the 4th: "Senator Barack Obama is facing renewed criticism," and this is from the Cybercast News Service, "regarding his national security policies is he continues his campaign for the Democrat nomination.
"In a YouTube video that Obama made for a liberal pacifist organization last year he called for major cuts in defense spending, slowing the development of future combat systems, and cutting investments in America's ballistic missile defense program." So it's real. What you heard is real, and it is something that is frightening. Look, it's patently obviously who this guy is. Make no mistake about it. This is a huge pacifist from the far-left fringe who is seeking the Oval Office. In fact, this was just posted a couple days ago at Marc Ambinder's blog at TheAtlantic.com; 29th of May, actually, so it's yesterday.
"At a fundraiser in Denver last night Sen. Barack Obama," this would be the 28th that he said this, "signaled that he would use the grace period of his first 100 days in office to push through national health insurance plan. In general, a fresh administration is given some latitude to pursue a single domestic policy goal; think of George W. Bush and No Child Left Behind -- although Democrats were a bit shell-shocked then. ... By putting health care reform into the 100 day [honeymoon grace] period, Obama is also acknowledging that his election would not immediately clear the tracks and usher in a period of glorious liberal accomplishments; instead, he'll need this artificial booster."
So the point here is that -- and by the way, I'm not sure I buy into this notion that the president gets to accomplish whatever he wants in the first hundred days. Can we go back? I mean, Mrs. Clinton was off and running on her own health care plan in 1993 in the first 100 days. But the theory is that he's gonna get a honeymoon, the Congress is going to let him do whatever he wants first thing out of the box because it's tradition, and after that then they're going to get tough with him and he's going to have to fight for what he wants? So the theory is here that he's gotta do health care first when nobody is standing in the way because it's not going to be that easy to do after the first hundred days, which means the country is not as socialist and liberal as Mr. Obama and many in the Democrat Party think it is.
END TRANSCRIPT
Read the Background Material...
• CNSNews.com: Obama's YouTube Defense Talk 'Bizarre,' Analyst Says
• Atlantic Online: Obama's First 100 Days
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washington should be wiped of the map.
Thats what will happen if he gets elected!
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hahaha offcourse it will ::)
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Watch you talkin about. A black president will put tech 9's in the hands of all brothas. Niggas Unite!
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I smell an Assassination :D
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I smell an Assassination :D
Hopefully
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I'm voting for McCain, and I urge anyone who doesn't want a radical socialist agenda unleashed on America to do the same. Maybe you don't like McCain personally, maybe you don't like the religocrats, maybe you don't like Bush and his gang of idiots, but hold your nose and vote McCain anyway. Hidden behind Obama's slick media image there are some pretty scary policy positions.
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Hopefully
but than you have a bitch as a president who wants to burn & destroy the planet because she has the rags once a month :D
Decisions decisions :D
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This man in an Idiot and Dangerous.........
disarm America ::)
you didn't listen to a damn word he said,people like you are why i think Americans should not have the right to vote unless they can pass some sort of comprehension test.................... .hope this helps ;)
bench
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but than you have a bitch as a president who wants to burn & destroy the planet because she has the rags once a month :D
Decisions decisions :D
She's surely too old and dusty for that monthly thing anymore...
I don't like McCain, but I'll vote for him before the socialist aswipe Blojaba any day of the week.
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I'm voting for McCain, and I urge anyone who doesn't want a radical socialist agenda unleashed on America to do the same. Maybe you don't like McCain personally, maybe you don't like the religocrats, maybe you don't like Bush and his gang of idiots, but hold your nose and vote McCain anyway. Hidden behind Obama's slick media image there are some pretty scary policy positions.
translation: vote for mccain so i can my upper class tax cuts.
;D
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but than you have a bitch as a president who wants to burn & destroy the planet because she has the rags once a month :D
Decisions decisions :D
She's WAY past her prime to be on the rag... Don't you agree?
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i want mccain to win so america gets more and more hated around the world.
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my guns wont be disarmed
100 POUND DUMBBELL CURLS IN YOUR FACE!
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women who want to be that powerful.. i wonder what their motivation is?
For guys it's pussy.
Are you intimidated by powerful women?
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This man in an Idiot and Dangerous.........
this is comin from a guy that can't even spell "charity". Yes "coach" the "liberal" school system has certainly failed us...
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Are you intimidated by powerful women?
women should not be into politics, just raise the kids and be there when the man comes home.
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Actually, this will prob be an easy win for Obama.
People are tired of high gas prices, job lay-offs, foreclosures everywhere, and the war and they are going to blame the party responsible for it at the booths. McCain unfortunately has gotten the raw end of the deal as he's inherited all of Bush's problem.
People will take color as a factor...except it will be the color of money. The current President has royally fucked up the economy and I think that will take presidence over electing a black President. Nothing personal but McCain
I don't like any politicians black or white but sorry Coach but Barack Obama will become the next President of the United States.
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Actually, this will prob be an easy win for Obama.
People are tired of high gas prices, job lay-offs, foreclosures everywhere, and the war and they are going to blame the party responsible for it at the booths. McCain unfortunately has gotten the raw end of the deal as he's inherited all of Bush's problem.
People will take color as a factor...except it will be the color of money. The current President has royally fucked up the economy and I think that will take presidence over electing a black President. Nothing personal but McCain
I don't like any politicians black or white but sorry Coach but Barack Obama will become the next President of the United States.
In general I agree people will be voting with their wallets, especially if gas prices continue to escalate into November. Whichever one of the candidates can tell the best lies about how they will fix our economy, that person will win.
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This man in an Idiot and Dangerous.........
"...as president, my sole priority for defense spending will be for protecting the american people."
sounds pretty much on point and i agree with just abou everything he said...
why the hate; partisan hack ?
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what happens when the mc cain fellow gets a stroke and dies? will they sent a new candidate or what?
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I think it will be a close contest, simply because of his race.
It will both help him and hurt him. Lots of blacks who usually don't vote will come out and support him, but some working-class white democrats will vote McCain. Overall it will probably be a wash.
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I forsee a dark future to the US. If "Barobama" wins it will be the start of the end os the USA as we know it. I think it is inevitable that America will break apart in several countries... a country for the blacks, another for the hispanic, another for the gay people, etc....
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I forsee a dark future to the US. If "Barobama" wins it will be the start of the end os the USA as we know it. I think it is inevitable that America will break apart in several countries... a country for the blacks, another for the hispanic, another for the gay people, etc....
I don't see anything that dramatic happening, but it will be a disaster regardless. Socialist policies that were discredited in the 60's and 70's will be dusted off and trotted out again. This guy won't be Bill Clinton, he'll be LBJ or Carter.
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Obama 08 bitches
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I don't understand why Americans are so frightened by things that other countries have done so well on?
-socialised medicine
-higher taxes (VAT: value added tax)
-proper education
-secularity
-big government
...in 1950 America was the worlds supreme superpower, since then America has been overtaken by dozens of countries all founded on the above listed principles. In fact the argument could be made that America is teetering on the brink of total economic collapse.
Why do conservative Christians espouse the kind of nonsense The Coach is spouting in this thread?
Since when is Rush Limbaugh, fabricator of 95.6% of all the statistics he quotes, considered a reliable source? What's with the stupidity of people happily shouting "Obama is bad for America... Big Oil/Big Tobacco/Big Pharma/Big Money told me so!"
...I just don't understand right wing American Evangelicals? Why do they vote Republican? Jesus would vote Democrat, surely?
Can someone explain it to me...?
The Luke
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It will both help him and hurt him. Lots of blacks who usually don't vote will come out and support him, but some working-class white democrats will vote McCain. Overall it will probably be a wash.
Union workers will go 90 to 100% behind Obama, count on it.
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oh my god... this politician is just so far LEFT he is so RADICAL... ahhhh i cant stand how dangerous and radical this guy is
hahhaa. if this is radical i dont wanna be normal. whats so radical about being bi-partisan and earnestly wanting to change the way our country operates ?
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...I just don't understand right wing American Evangelicals? Why do they vote Republican? Jesus would vote Democrat, surely?
Can someone explain it to me...?
Despite what your media tells you, only half of the Republican support base are religious nuts. The other half are people with libertarian leanings who believe limited government is essential to individual freedom. Why should we give 3/4 of our money to the government so they can "wisely spend it on our behalf" as though we were children or something? I prefer to keep taxes limited to only the necessary items, and decide for myself how my resources should be allocated.
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Union workers will go 90 to 100% behind Obama, count on it.
Racism is rampant in the working classes. The union bosses will all support Obama, since it helps them retain power, but the individual rank-and-file may have other ideas when they're alone in the voting booth.
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goatboy admitting that hes in support of voting based on racism ... hhmmm.... typical party-line republican ;D
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Racism is rampant in the working classes. The union bosses will all support Obama, since it helps them retain power, but the individual rank-and-file may have other ideas when they're alone in the voting booth.
Free Choice Act. McCain opposes. Barrack supports. Any union worker that opposes Barrack is basing it soley on race (or to a smaller extent issues such as abortion or gun rights) which in 2008 is very very sad.
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women should not be into politics, just raise the kids and be there when the man comes home.
you want Hillary waitin for you in the bedroom when you come home after a hard workin day?
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goatboy admitting that hes in support of voting based on racism ... hhmmm.... typical party-line republican ;D
I said nothing of the sort. I expressed an opinion on what I think will happen, not what I think should happen. ::)
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Racism is rampant in the working classes. The union bosses will all support Obama, since it helps them retain power, but the individual rank-and-file may have other ideas when they're alone in the voting booth.
Yeah, but you know as much as me that paranoia is startin to set in for alot of the middle class working man. At some point the wallet and well being has to come before racism.
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Thats what will happen if he gets elected!
Fear mongering.
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I don't understand why Americans are so frightened by things that other countries have done so well on?
-socialised medicine
-higher taxes (VAT: value added tax)
-proper education
-secularity
-big government
...in 1950 America was the worlds supreme superpower, since then America has been overtaken by dozens of countries all founded on the above listed principles. In fact the argument could be made that America is teetering on the brink of total economic collapse.
Why do conservative Christians espouse the kind of nonsense The Coach is spouting in this thread?
Since when is Rush Limbaugh, fabricator of 95.6% of all the statistics he quotes, considered a reliable source? What's with the stupidity of people happily shouting "Obama is bad for America... Big Oil/Big Tobacco/Big Pharma/Big Money told me so!"
...I just don't understand right wing American Evangelicals? Why do they vote Republican? Jesus would vote Democrat, surely?
Can someone explain it to me...?
The Luke
Does this post even warrent a response?
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Despite what your media tells you, only half of the Republican support base are religious nuts. The other half are people with libertarian leanings who believe limited government is essential to individual freedom. Why should we give 3/4 of our money to the government so they can "wisely spend it on our behalf" as though we were children or something? I prefer to keep taxes limited to only the necessary items, and decide for myself how my resources should be allocated.
...this is another weird thing Americans believe without question.
What's so bad about big government?
The model you support has lead America into the instability it's now suffering.
Small government does indeed mean more personal liberty for middle class Americans, but it also means:
-poor public school systems
-poor social welfare
-a homelessness rate to rival any third world country
-rampant crime
-most working class people living one paycheque away from destitution
-most middle class people living one diagnosis away from destitution
...but more importantly, it means a small government which cannot curb the Machiavellian machinations of big-money vested interests. So small government effectively means a Corporo-cracy.
As George Bernard Shaw so wisely said: "I don't want the working classes to have baths only for their sake, but also for my sake"
The Luke
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This country's reputation is tanked. Gas prices are soaring. The cost of living is going up everyday. People are losing their jobs.
And you're worried about firearms
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I don't understand why Americans are so frightened by things that other countries have done so well on?
-socialised medicine
-higher taxes (VAT: value added tax)
-proper education
-secularity
-big government
...in 1950 America was the worlds supreme superpower, since then America has been overtaken by dozens of countries all founded on the above listed principles. In fact the argument could be made that America is teetering on the brink of total economic collapse.
Why do conservative Christians espouse the kind of nonsense The Coach is spouting in this thread?
Since when is Rush Limbaugh, fabricator of 95.6% of all the statistics he quotes, considered a reliable source? What's with the stupidity of people happily shouting "Obama is bad for America... Big Oil/Big Tobacco/Big Pharma/Big Money told me so!"
...I just don't understand right wing American Evangelicals? Why do they vote Republican? Jesus would vote Democrat, surely?
Can someone explain it to me...?
The Luke
The kind of nonsense,as you say, that the Coach espouses is countered by the other extreme of nonsense contained in the above post. There are plenty of countries you can go to to enjoy a socialist society, this will never be one of them.
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It will both help him and hurt him. Lots of blacks who usually don't vote will come out and support him, but some working-class white democrats will vote McCain. Overall it will probably be a wash.
Those working class people are idiots and shouldn't be allowed a vote.
Obama's policies would actually benefit them more so than a conservative's. lol those freaks vote out of fear more than anything, which is why we have that moron in office in the first place.
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Obama is a pretty adaptive person, so I think he'd be able to adjust his policies accordingly. His inexperience is not even relevant, because he's clearly an intelligent person who's been able to run a good campaign which in itself takes skill, and it's not like McCain is any better foreign policy wise, so..
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Anyone that just tow's the Democratic/Republican line/philosophy 100% is a dumbass. I have seen both candidates, both have their strengths and weaknesses, but for me it's no question... Obama in '08!
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I agree, both have their strengths and weaknesses, but for me it's no question.....McCain in 08.
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Despite what your media tells you, only half of the Republican support base are religious nuts. The other half are people with libertarian leanings who believe limited government is essential to individual freedom. Why should we give 3/4 of our money to the government so they can "wisely spend it on our behalf" as though we were children or something? I prefer to keep taxes limited to only the necessary items, and decide for myself how my resources should be allocated.
And what do you think is going to happen with a war raging McCain in office? Just more war. What funds war? Taxes play a big part and since we're running out of places to borrow money from a tax raise is inevitable. Good strong logic there buddy. McCain is an idiot and Obama is a newb. I'll take a newb over an idiot any day of the week.
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The kind of nonsense,as you say, that the Coach espouses is countered by the other extreme of nonsense contained in the above post. There are plenty of countries you can go to to enjoy a socialist society, this will never be one of them.
...my point was that America's Gordon Gekko culture has lead it to the brink of societal collapse, meanwhile the socialist countries have been overtaking America in every positive living index.
Elections are won and lost here in Ireland based on the performance of our free health service... we have the 9th best healthcare system in the world.
American politicians get voted out if they even mention "socialised" medicine... yet America has the 37th best healthcare system in the world... while simultaneously paying many times more for their medical insurance than socialised countries pay in taxes for their better systems.
A socialist revolution in the US might be the only thing that can save it... unfortunately, the people who have been indoctrinated into believing the American Dream dismiss proven socialist policy without even being able to articulate why they disagree.
The Luke
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This country's reputation is tanked. Gas prices are soaring. The cost of living is going up everyday. People are losing their jobs.
And you're worried about firearms
As long as the the 340,000 ppl who lost jobs this year alone can access a machine gun to "go postal" on people I guess it's all okay :-\
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Obama will be president. live with it you redneck juicer
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I'm voting for McCain, and I urge anyone who doesn't want a radical socialist agenda unleashed on America to do the same. Maybe you don't like McCain personally, maybe you don't like the religocrats, maybe you don't like Bush and his gang of idiots, but hold your nose and vote McCain anyway. Hidden behind Obama's slick media image there are some pretty scary policy positions.
I second that.
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Despite what your media tells you, only half of the Republican support base are religious nuts. The other half are people with libertarian leanings who believe limited government is essential to individual freedom. Why should we give 3/4 of our money to the government so they can "wisely spend it on our behalf" as though we were children or something? I prefer to keep taxes limited to only the necessary items, and decide for myself how my resources should be allocated.
Libertarians aren't happy with the republican party.
Someone like McCain isn't even close to being a conservative, much less libertarian
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The statement made as the subject of this thread is simply untrue. No politician in his right mind would ever endorse a policy of a complete gun ban simply because he/she would never get elected. And a politicians first priority is to be elected. This sound to me like something someone heard on right wing talk radio, meant to scare them into not thinking for themselves. You hear this all the time, they are going to take away my guns or my bible. A thinking person should be offended by this kind of fear mongering. If you get your news from these type of sources whether they be liberal or conservative you are missing about 90% of the truth.
I am a member of the NRA and a gun owner and I have no fear of Obama taking my guns as I have actually heard him address this issue directly. What I am more concerned with is illegal wire tapping and date mining which mind bogglingly right wingers who claim they want less government seem to think is appropriate. Everyone should be afraid of this.
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Obama will be revealed as the radical socialist he is. The country will never go there.
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I am a member of the NRA and a gun owner and I have no fear of Obama taking my guns as I have actually heard him address this issue directly. What I am more concerned with is illegal wire tapping and date mining which mind bogglingly right wingers who claim they want less government seem to think is appropriate. Everyone should be afraid of this.
JoeLocal has said repeatedly that he has nothing to hide, so he doesn't care if the govt snoops thru his email or mail.
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Actually, this will prob be an easy win for Obama.
People are tired of high gas prices, job lay-offs, foreclosures everywhere, and the war and they are going to blame the party responsible for it at the booths. McCain unfortunately has gotten the raw end of the deal as he's inherited all of Bush's problem.
People will take color as a factor...except it will be the color of money. The current President has royally fucked up the economy and I think that will take presidence over electing a black President. Nothing personal but McCain
I don't like any politicians black or white but sorry Coach but Barack Obama will become the next President of the United States.
I don't like either candidate.
I don't like your reasons for voting for Obama. What he is promising should raise a red flag to anyone with common sense. He isn't going to solve all of these problems and people are falling for it.
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JoeLocal has said repeatedly that he has nothing to hide, so he doesn't care if the govt snoops thru his email or mail.
LOL!!!
"I have nothing to hide" has never been a saying used by totalitarians or anything. ::)
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JoeLocal has said repeatedly that he has nothing to hide, so he doesn't care if the govt snoops thru his email or mail.
That is unfortunate because it clearly demonstrates he does not understand the principles by which this nation was founded. It is not the fear of finding something incriminating that people find this type of governmental intrusion alarming but the principle that we have protection against unlawful search and seizure. In short, they shouldn't be looking in the first place and if you provide them with that type of access how far will they take it. Truthfully its a slippery slope argument but I wouldn't want to test it practically. I always find it ironic that certain people are so outraged and in fear of politicians taking their guns away but endorse, condone and encourage other intrusive behaviors like those stated above. What they don't realize is that gun ownership is so wide spread and the gun lobby so immense that the possibility of guns being completely banned is next to impossible. They are clearly being manipulated probably by fear.
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...exactly what constitutes a "radical liberal agenda"?
Proper schools?... lower profits for Big Oil and the Military-Industrial Complex?... a proper social welfare system?...
The anti-communist propaganda of the 1950's has done America a great disservice.
The very fact that Obama has managed to organise such a sophisticated campaign machine speaks to his competence... his continued refusal to run negative ads and slurs speaks to his character.
The Luke
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...exactly what constitutes a "radical liberal agenda"?
Proper schools?... lower profits for Big Oil and the Military-Industrial Complex?... a proper social welfare system?...
The anti-communist propaganda of the 1950's has done America a great disservice.
The very fact that Obama has managed to organise such a sophisticated campaign machine speaks to his competence... his continued refusal to run negative ads and slurs speaks to his character.
The Luke
well said.
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Hey Coach. People say a lot of things to get elected.....
/waiting for the other shoe to drop :-\
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Libertarians aren't happy with the republican party.
I agree. However, for them it is the usual choice of "lesser or two evils" vis-a-vis their political philosophy.
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McCain, McCain! YES! YES! YES! Splat.
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Luke is clearly getting his information from Pravda or the Daily Worker. Please disregard as the rosy picture he paints for such a society is clearly a stretch.
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Luke is clearly getting his information from Pravda or the Daily Worker. Please disregard as the rosy picture he paints for such a society is clearly a stretch.
...read the UN reports detailing the indices related to the "Living Index".
You need evidence to counter someone's argument... Europe has set the example that socialism works.
But then again, most Americans can't find Europe on a globe.
The Luke
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...read the UN reports detailing the indices related to the "Living Index".
You need evidence to counter someone's argument... Europe has set the example that socialism works.
But then again, most Americans can't find Europe on a globe.
The Luke
Oh Boy.....now the commi's are coming out of the woodwork. Haven't heard from them too much since the wall came down.................... ....and the bashing of Americans as people like Luke crawl over each other to get here......with very bad teeth and hygeine I might add.
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Oh Boy.....now the commi's are coming out of the woodwork. Haven't heard from them too much since the wall came down.
...name calling? Does that qualify as political discourse in the US?
The Luke
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But then again, most Americans can't find Europe on a globe.
The Luke
Really? How 'bout you take this quiz and see how you do:
http://www.lizardpoint.com/fun/geoquiz/eurocapquiz.html
I scored 117 out of 117, and gee... I'm an American.
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Better yet, try this one:
http://www.lizardpoint.com/fun/geoquiz/asiacapquiz.html
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not every american is a bad person.
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not every american is a bad person.
Have you converted to AIDS Islam yet?
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not every american is a bad person.
No they'r just all dumb....according to Luke who says we can't find Europe on a map. Maybe it's because we really don't care as much as you guys who seem to know exactly where North America is as we're flooded with you sucking off our system.
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Have you converted to AIDS Islam yet?
jewish american.
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I don't like either candidate.
I don't like your reasons for voting for Obama. What he is promising should raise a red flag to anyone with common sense. He isn't going to solve all of these problems and people are falling for it.
Who said I was voting for Obama??? Like I said, I don't like any of the choices. I may either sit it out for bring my Magic 8 Ball to the Booth.
No matter who is elected, they are not going to do a damn thing for you.
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Who said I was voting for Obama??? Like I said, I don't like any of the choices. I may either sit it out for bring my Magic 8 Ball to the Booth.
No matter who is elected, they are not going to do a damn thing for you.
no one did
I don't like your reasons for why people would vote for him.
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jewish american.
Good.
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Actually, this will prob be an easy win for Obama.
People are tired of high gas prices, job lay-offs, foreclosures everywhere, and the war and they are going to blame the party responsible for it at the booths. McCain unfortunately has gotten the raw end of the deal as he's inherited all of Bush's problem.
People will take color as a factor...except it will be the color of money. The current President has royally fucked up the economy and I think that will take presidence over electing a black President. Nothing personal but McCain
I don't like any politicians black or white but sorry Coach but Barack Obama will become the next President of the United States.
I agree.
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The really amazing thing about this whole election process (amazing to us European observers at least) is the fact that there hasn't been a single LEGITIMATE criticism of Barack Obama...
It must be a testament to the quality of his character that FOX NEWS can't even fabricate a decent lie about this guy (a decent lie being one based on a kernel of truth):
-some guy he met once used to be a radical revolutionary in the early 60s
-his sometime pastor made some comments which, taken out of context, could possibly be misconstrued as anti-American
-he might secretly be a Muslim
-he's too liberal because he wants to help the middle class, not give the ultra-rich more tax breaks
-he wants to "talk" with Iran, instead of selling them weapons
-his name sounds a little like "Osama"
-he's too black
-he's not black enough
-intelligent people (by inference: Jews, gays and communists) are supporting him
...add to this the fact that he hasn't once used any tactics from the Carl Rove playbook (Hilary's using all of them): no negative campaigning... no smears... and a refusal to deal with FOX NEWS... and he's got my vote.
The Luke
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The really amazing thing about this whole election process (amazing to us European observers at least) is the fact that there hasn't been a single LEGITIMATE criticism of Barack Obama...
It must be a testament to the quality of his character that FOX NEWS can't even fabricate a decent lie about this guy (a decent lie being one based on a kernel of truth):
-some guy he met once used to be a radical revolutionary in the early 60s
-his sometime pastor made some comments which, taken out of context, could possibly be misconstrued as anti-American
-he might secretly be a Muslim
-he's too liberal because he wants to help the middle class, not give the ultra-rich more tax breaks
-he wants to "talk" with Iran, instead of selling them weapons
-his name sounds a little like "Osama"
-he's too black
-he's not black enough
-intelligent people (by inference: Jews, gays and communists) are supporting him
...add to this the fact that he hasn't once used any tactics from the Carl Rove playbook (Hilary's using all of them): no negative campaigning... no smears... and a refusal to deal with FOX NEWS... and he's got my vote.
The Luke
You would not have to take his pastor's comments out of context to figure out that he's a maniac
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The really amazing thing about this whole election process (amazing to us European observers at least) is the fact that there hasn't been a single LEGITIMATE criticism of Barack Obama...
-his sometime pastor made some comments which, taken out of context, could possibly be misconstrued as anti-American
There was nothing subtle or out-of-context about his pastor... the guy is a full-on racist and Obama sat there in the pews hapily listening to him for years. A person can be judged by the company he keeps.
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mc cain's cancer is coming back
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whats wrong with revron wright ?
im not familiar with the entirety of his speeches, but how about you explain to me what he said that is inaccurate :)
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Racism is rampant in the working classes. The union bosses will all support Obama, since it helps them retain power, but the individual rank-and-file may have other ideas when they're alone in the voting booth.
Agree most of the "working class trades people" are too stupid to vote for the real issues. They will probally side with the people who get the endorsement of the NRA ::)
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You would not have to take his pastor's comments out of context to figure out that he's a maniac
...I saw those "God damn America" excerpts discussed on Real Time with Bill Maher, but couldn't figure out why they were newsworthy.
So I rummaged through Youtube and found all these highly over-reactionary FOX NEWS bits that were so heavy with manufactured faux outrage that I wasn't sure if they were for real or some sort of comedy bit. But then I did something I doubt any of the Evangelical Jeebus lovers did...
...I searched out the full, unabridged version of the clip.
I listened while this Rev Wright dude listed all the terrible war crimes America had committed over the past half century, and then asked why Americans were so surprised that 9/11 happened... I didn't find anything offensive or radical... but then again, I didn't swear allegiance to a piece of coloured cloth every schoolday with a hand on my heart (with my other hand holding down a woody for Jeebus).
The Luke
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I don't see anything that dramatic happening, but it will be a disaster regardless. Socialist policies that were discredited in the 60's and 70's will be dusted off and trotted out again. This guy won't be Bill Clinton, he'll be LBJ or Carter.
It ALREADY IS a disaster and the man who is responsible is your CURRENT president. How can you not see that?? Why do republicans NOT see that?????? This BAFFLES me.
OBAMA is the future. Bush Jr. was NOT the messiah, but the anti-christ who dropped out of High School. THAT'S your so called LEADER.
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Why do republicans NOT see that?????? This BAFFLES me.
they dont want to see it ;)
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This man in an Idiot and Dangerous.........
Have some respect for your next P.U.S.A...
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Actually, this will prob be an easy win for Obama.
People are tired of high gas prices, job lay-offs, foreclosures everywhere, and the war and they are going to blame the party responsible for it at the booths. McCain unfortunately has gotten the raw end of the deal as he's inherited all of Bush's problem.
People will take color as a factor...except it will be the color of money. The current President has royally fucked up the economy and I think that will take presidence over electing a black President. Nothing personal but McCain
I don't like any politicians black or white but sorry Coach but Barack Obama will become the next President of the United States.
Thats the 1st sennsible thing you have ever said on getbig
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It ALREADY IS a disaster and the man who is responsible is your CURRENT president. How can you not see that?? Why do republicans NOT see that?????? This BAFFLES me.
OBAMA is the future. Bush Jr. was NOT the messiah, but the anti-christ who dropped out of High School. THAT'S your so called LEADER.
And McCain will be just more of the same. You think things are bad now wait about 2 years after if McCain gets elected.
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...I saw those "God damn America" excerpts discussed on Real Time with Bill Maher, but couldn't figure out why they were newsworthy.
So I rummaged through Youtube and found all these highly over-reactionary FOX NEWS bits that were so heavy with manufactured faux outrage that I wasn't sure if they were for real or some sort of comedy bit. But then I did something I doubt any of the Evangelical Jeebus lovers did...
...I searched out the full, unabridged version of the clip.
I listened while this Rev Wright dude listed all the terrible war crimes America had committed over the past half century, and then asked why Americans were so surprised that 9/11 happened... I didn't find anything offensive or radical... but then again, I didn't swear allegiance to a piece of coloured cloth every schoolday with a hand on my heart (with my other hand holding down a woody for Jeebus).
The Luke
Why, would you say, does Barak no longer wish to be affiliated with the good 'Reverend'?
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This country's reputation is tanked. Gas prices are soaring. The cost of living is going up everyday. People are losing their jobs.
And you're worried about firearms
You're damn right I'm worried about my firearms , the Government wants to be the only one armed ! Hillary & her jackass husband are anti-gun and now she's flip-flopped on that issue Obama's stance on guns isn't much better , I've never voted repulican but like Obama says " it may be time for a change. "
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...I saw those "God damn America" excerpts discussed on Real Time with Bill Maher, but couldn't figure out why they were newsworthy.
So I rummaged through Youtube and found all these highly over-reactionary FOX NEWS bits that were so heavy with manufactured faux outrage that I wasn't sure if they were for real or some sort of comedy bit. But then I did something I doubt any of the Evangelical Jeebus lovers did...
...I searched out the full, unabridged version of the clip.
I listened while this Rev Wright dude listed all the terrible war crimes America had committed over the past half century, and then asked why Americans were so surprised that 9/11 happened... I didn't find anything offensive or radical... but then again, I didn't swear allegiance to a piece of coloured cloth every schoolday with a hand on my heart (with my other hand holding down a woody for Jeebus).
The Luke
The America the 'Reverend' loathes allows him to live in a 1.2 million dollar home.
The Moose
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Have some respect for your next P.U.S.A...
The Secret Service hopes he doen't win... with all the racist nutbags out there, the guy would be a walking target.
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The Secret Service hopes he doen't win... with all the racist nutbags out there, the guy would be a walking target.
It has been opined that, with either a Hillary or Obama win, it would be the biggest security quandary ever.
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The Secret Service hopes he doen't win... with all the racist nutbags out there, the guy would be a walking target.
Yup, I swear those secret service guys are sweating bullets [no pun intended] no one wants to be the one that lets him get offed.
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It ALREADY IS a disaster and the man who is responsible is your CURRENT president. How can you not see that?? Why do republicans NOT see that?????? This BAFFLES me.
OBAMA is the future. Bush Jr. was NOT the messiah, but the anti-christ who dropped out of High School. THAT'S your so called LEADER.
Where did I ever say Bush was a good president? Bush and his whole administration need to go, and the sooner the better. That doesn't mean I want a douchebag socialist as a replacement. ::)
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Obama will be revealed as the radical socialist he is. The country will never go there.
Hi Bill Oreilly.
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It has been opined that, with either a Hillary or Obama win, it would be the biggest security quandary ever.
Nah, I don't see anyone taking a shot at hillary. People hate her, but not enough to kill. There aren't any armed "anti-woman" groups out there.
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I agree. However, for them it is the usual choice of "lesser or two evils" vis-a-vis their political philosophy.
While WE may base it on political philosophy, YOU base it ALL on religious philosophies. NO better than the terrorist states.
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Why, would you say, does Barak no longer wish to be affiliated with the good 'Reverend'?
...because of hysterical, reactionary morons such as yourself.
The IQ of the mob is about half that of the average IQ of those who comprise the mob.
The Luke
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...read the UN reports detailing the indices related to the "Living Index".
You need evidence to counter someone's argument... Europe has set the example that socialism works.
But then again, most Americans can't find Europe on a globe.
The Luke
HAHA. SO true. That includes the CURRENT president.
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While WE may base it on political philosophy, YOU base it ALL on religious philosophies. NO better than the terrorist states.
I don't base shit on religion. I'm an atheist, moron. ::)
I vote Republican based on my political philosophy (smaller government, individual liberty, individual responsibility).
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You're damn right I'm worried about my firearms , the Government wants to be the only one armed ! Hillary & her jackass husband are anti-gun and now she's flip-flopped on that issue Obama's stance on guns isn't much better , I've never voted repulican but like Obama says " it may be time for a change. "
I thought you were an intelligent atheist. I guess not.
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I thought you were an intelligent atheist. I guess not.
Why because I'm in favor of the second amendment? I love my guns and I thank the founding fathers ( not God ) for that right .
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I don't base shit on religion. I'm an atheist, moron. ::)
I vote Republican based on my political philosophy (smaller government, individual liberty, individual responsibility).
and where has that gotten you in the last 8 years?
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Not all second-amendment supporters are rednecks. Europeans can't figure that out.
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...because of hysterical, reactionary morons such as yourself.
The IQ of the mob is about half that of the average IQ of those who comprise the mob.
The Luke
You fancy yourself as some sort of intellectual, but, by calling me a moron, you are not.
HTH
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and where has that gotten you in the last 8 years?
Bush was a mistake, but I can't say the alternatives were any better. I will say this: Al Gore would be far preferable to Barack Obama.
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no one did
I don't like your reasons for why people would vote for him.
You may not like it but people vote with their wallets nowadays. McCain's alright in my book, he has 3 generations of military service in the Navy since World I which is similar to my family so we got a lot in common.
As far as the gay marriage vote is concerned, its null because none of the candidates want it. Clinton and Obama were going to vote for civil unions which to be is like trying to have your cake and eat it to. Kerry made the same mistake which helped mobilize the Log Cabin Republicians and stomp out any votes he would have gotten.
The fact is no black person except Allen Keyes and Uncle Ruckus from the Boondocks is going to vote for McCain. Barack will have have 98% of the black vote
Barack also has the Mexican vote as well. My boy, Pablo said....Essi look like us and if you look at him, he does look somewhat like a damn Mexican.
Now they say that Barack has a problem with getting votes from white women but that's unusual since most black men are good at getting white women.... That should work out once he ups his macking skills, he'll have a house of hos at his knees.... ;D
The people McCain has on his side is the old, the racists, and the religous fanatics. Not enough
At the end of the day, Barack has it in the bag....maybe..... ;)
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You fancy yourself as some sort of intellectual, but, by calling me a moron, you are not.
...there are 6 billion people on this planet, 5.9 billion think McCain is the wrong choice.
Maybe you're not a moron... maybe the people such as yourself who voted for Dubya were right all along.
The Luke
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By the way, everyone in the news outlets seems to ignore Rev Wright's History and its a good explanation as to why Obama consulted him. He served in the Marines and the Navy honorably and even help treat President Johnson
I think he has earned his stripes to condemn America if he wants to...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright
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...there are 6 billion people on this planet, 5.9 billion think McCain is the wrong choice.
Maybe you're not a moron... maybe the people such as yourself who voted for Dubya were right all along.
The Luke
See argument ad populum
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By the way, everyone in the news outlets seems to ignore Rev Wright's History and its a good explanation as to why Obama consulted him. He served in the Marines and the Navy honorably and even help treat President Johnson
I think he has earned his stripes to condemn America if he wants to...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright
On the surface, he has to be placated.
In reality, he has little credibility...and is considered a buffoon.
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By the way, everyone in the news outlets seems to ignore Rev Wright's History and its a good explanation as to why Obama consulted him. He served in the Marines and the Navy honorably and even help treat President Johnson
I think he has earned his stripes to condemn America if he wants to...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright
Condemn America? to quote Bill Clinton ( of all people ) " Everything wrong with America can be fixed with everything right with America "
I support Wright's freedom of speech but he's a fucking idiot.
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Condemn America? to quote Bill Clinton ( of all people ) " Everything wrong with America can be fixed with everything right with America "
VG.
I support Wright's freedom of speech but he's a fucking idiot.
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See argument ad populum
...good point, as an atheist I certainly can't rely on such arguments.
Maybe I should have written something like this:
Moosejay,
There are 6 billion people on this planet, 5.999999 billion of them will be much worse off if McCain wins... and you yourself Moosejay are not one of the fortunate thousand.
The Luke
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...good point, as an atheist I certainly can't rely on such arguments.
Maybe I should have written something like this:
Moosejay,
There are 6 billion people on this planet, 5.999999 billion of them will be much worse off if McCain wins... and you yourself Moosejay are not one of the fortunate thousand.
The Luke
It does not matter to me who wins
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...good point, as an atheist I certainly can't rely on such arguments.
Maybe I should have written something like this:
Moosejay,
There are 6 billion people on this planet, 5.999999 billion of them will be much worse off if McCain wins... and you yourself Moosejay are not one of the fortunate thousand.
The Luke
I don't like McCain's stance on abortion , Iraq and gay marriage but I wont be getting pregnant anytime soon , I'm not going to Iraq and I'm not getting married to my g/f never mind to anyone else lol
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I don't like McCain's stance on abortion , Iraq and gay marriage but I wont be getting pregnant anytime soon , I'm not going to Iraq and I'm not getting married to my g/f never mind to anyone else lol
Ha.
I am too old to be taken to Iraq
Will never marry my gf
will also not be pregnant
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Ha.
I am too old to be taken to Iraq
Will never marry my gf
will also not be pregnant
The Army will take new recruits I think until the age of 42 , The Marine Corps is 28 max
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The Army will take new recruits I think until the age of 42 , The Marine Corps is 28 max
Army is 43, I know bc I am 44 and we looked it up as a goof a while back
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Just suppose...
China and Europe dump all their dollars onto the market... within a week the dollar would collapse and the Euro would be the new world reserve currency.
Then you'd all be fighting... with each other. Every dispossessed, poor, oppressed minority in the US has a gun.
A highly armed nation can't afford social collapse...
The Luke
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Condemn America? to quote Bill Clinton ( of all people ) " Everything wrong with America can be fixed with everything right with America "
I support Wright's freedom of speech but he's a fucking idiot.
There are a lot of fucking idiots out there.... ;D
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There are a lot of fucking idiots out there.... ;D
You have a point. :)
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disarm America ::)
you didn't listen to a damn word he said,people like you are why i think Americans should not have the right to vote unless they can pass some sort of comprehension test.................... .hope this helps ;)
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Of course these ASSHOLES did not listen to what Obama said...99 percent of the time the most VOCAL IDIOTS on this board don't have a clue as to what they are screaming about....but scream away they do. These lame brains of GB want to continue in the George Bush BULLSHIT system of MONETARY WASTE while we all watch food, gas, taxes, etc climb exponentially. Sadly most of the persons on this board are still home with their parents and don't have a clue as to the reality of things, so they just scream out what ever they emotionally feel without knowing or at the very least checking the facts. As this Patriot Act/NWO/ Police State system comes further into effect in america the same assholes will be the ones standing there with the proverbial deer in the headlights look saying HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? WHAT DO WE DO NOW? By then it will be too late...everyones RIGHTS WILL HAVE BEEN TERMINATED, new laws will eradicate freedom of speech, privacy, worship etc etc. Then these morons will try and forceably take back what has been taken and will end up shot to death or jailed by the new police state cops. How many times has George Bush made reference to THE NEW WORLD ORDER, has added more agencies to the government whose powers are AGAINST THE POPULATION and whose powers are UNQUESTIONABLE, ABOVE THE CONSTITUTION, ARE DONE IN THE COVER OF DARKNESS AND SECRECY? Obama at least informs people of what he would like to do...is it perfect...NO, but look at the fucking disaster of a country he will inherit should he become president. TRILLIONS of dollar of debt, no manufacturing, massive unemployment (I hope you are not dumb enough to believe the 5 percent bullshit that the news reports...that number is easily 20 to 30 percent given the continuous 3 to 4 hundred thousand people filing for unemployment insurance every week), multiple wars costing trillions of dollars and accomplishing nothing, rogue foreign policy EYC ETC ETC. Why would anyone turn their nose up to someone who is at least TRYING to make things better as opposed to staying with lame son of a bitch you have had for eight years? Why would you protest...KNOWING NOTHING ABOUT THE CANDIDATE? And for the rest of the closeted racist who say Obama isn't qualified...hahahahah... america has had nothing but UNQUALIFIED WHITE MEN SINCE GEORGE WASHINGTON and look at the MESS they have made. Some of you are dumb enough to want McCain...why would I want some CANCER STRICKEN HOMOSEXUAL KNOB replacing a closeted homosexual like George Bush...anyone heard from his lover Jeff Gannon lately? Is Jeff still making hundreds of late night whitehouse visits to see Georgie boy? Lemme see we have seen dozens of closeted fags under George Bush since he came into effect: Dennis Hastert, John Crisp, Barney Frank, Larry Craig, Robert Allen UGH..the list is endless and let us not forget Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Pearle, etc etc who have DECIMATED america in their time. WTF?
You know maybe letting a McCain into the whitehouse will do the assholes who hate Obama all the good they deserve. When they are reduced down to soup lines, welfare, jails, being sacrificed in war for the rich petrochemical and big pharma companies, when they are drinking and eating food so foul a dog would turn away from it, when there are no jobs and society is reduced to something similar to Judge Dredd or Soylent Green then they will be able to see...But why should it have to come to this extreme for anyone to see? Then again this is america land of the IGNORANT, BLIND, DUMB, SENSELESS, DEMORALIZED....maybe the best thing is for it to be consumed by its own devices.
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samson i skimmed your post i agree with the general points our making but you wrote WAY too much nobody's gonna read all that... try editing it to make it more read able and pleasing to the eye
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Of course these ASSHOLES did not listen to what Obama said...99 percent of the time the most VOCAL IDIOTS on this board don't have a clue as to what they are screaming about....but scream away they do. These lame brains of GB want to continue in the George Bush BULLSHIT system of MONETARY WASTE while we all watch food, gas, taxes, etc climb exponentially. Sadly most of the persons on this board are still home with their parents and don't have a clue as to the reality of things, so they just scream out what ever they emotionally feel without knowing or at the very least checking the facts. As this Patriot Act/NWO/ Police State system comes further into effect in america the same assholes will be the ones standing there with the proverbial deer in the headlights look saying HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? WHAT DO WE DO NOW? By then it will be too late...everyones RIGHTS WILL HAVE BEEN TERMINATED, new laws will eradicate freedom of speech, privacy, worship etc etc. Then these morons will try and forceably take back what has been taken and will end up shot to death or jailed by the new police state cops. How many times has George Bush made reference to THE NEW WORLD ORDER, has added more agencies to the government whose powers are AGAINST THE POPULATION and whose powers are UNQUESTIONABLE, ABOVE THE CONSTITUTION, ARE DONE IN THE COVER OF DARKNESS AND SECRECY? Obama at least informs people of what he would like to do...is it perfect...NO, but look at the fucking disaster of a country he will inherit should he become president. TRILLIONS of dollar of debt, no manufacturing, massive unemployment (I hope you are not dumb enough to believe the 5 percent bullshit that the news reports...that number is easily 20 to 30 percent given the continuous 3 to 4 hundred thousand people filing for unemployment insurance every week), multiple wars costing trillions of dollars and accomplishing nothing, rogue foreign policy EYC ETC ETC. Why would anyone turn their nose up to someone who is at least TRYING to make things better as opposed to staying with lame son of a bitch you have had for eight years? Why would you protest...KNOWING NOTHING ABOUT THE CANDIDATE? And for the rest of the closeted racist who say Obama isn't qualified...hahahahah... america has had nothing but UNQUALIFIED WHITE MEN SINCE GEORGE WASHINGTON and look at the MESS they have made. Some of you are dumb enough to want McCain...why would I want some CANCER STRICKEN HOMOSEXUAL KNOB replacing a closeted homosexual like George Bush...anyone heard from his lover Jeff Gannon lately? Is Jeff still making hundreds of late night whitehouse visits to see Georgie boy? Lemme see we have seen dozens of closeted fags under George Bush since he came into effect: Dennis Hastert, John Crisp, Barney Frank, Larry Craig, Robert Allen UGH..the list is endless and let us not forget Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Pearle, etc etc who have DECIMATED america in their time. WTF?
You know maybe letting a McCain into the whitehouse will do the assholes who hate Obama all the good they deserve. When they are reduced down to soup lines, welfare, jails, being sacrificed in war for the rich petrochemical and big pharma companies, when they are drinking and eating food so foul a dog would turn away from it, when there are no jobs and society is reduced to something similar to Judge Dredd or Soylent Green then they will be able to see...But why should it have to come to this extreme for anyone to see? Then again this is america land of the IGNORANT, BLIND, DUMB, SENSELESS, DEMORALIZED....maybe the best thing is for it to be consumed by its own devices.
This qualifies for meltdown of the night ! great work.
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I don't understand why Americans are so frightened by things that other countries have done so well on?
-socialised medicine
-higher taxes (VAT: value added tax)
-proper education
-secularity
-big government
1. Show me where socialized medicine has been successful. All I see are countries with long waiting lists, inadequate services, and crippling tax burdens. The reason socialized medicine is a bad idea and feared in America is because it creates unlimited demand which strains supply to the max. It's like if a gas station offered free gasoline, there would be a line around the block of people waiting for their free gas whether they need it or not. The same principle applies with health care, if health care is "free" every asshole with so much as a sniffle will go to his or her doctor to get treated because it's "free". Because government can't keep up with demand they have to either: deny people coverage, have people wait for medical care, or both.
2. I agree with you here, income taxes are outdated and inefficient. I like the FairTax myself, it's a consumption tax very similar to the VAT. The American people are not afraid of consumption taxes, their government is. The income tax gives politicians a lot of power, consumption taxes take it away, simple.
3. If by "proper" education you mean government controlled education then America already has that. Government or "public" schools are the norm here and they're terrible. If your kid is stuck in a shitty school you have three options in this country: move, enroll in a private school (which only the wealthy can afford), or home school (can't really do this if your poor either). You can't just move your child to a different public school (well you can but it's almost impossible). The sad thing is that private and home schoolers blow public school kids out of the water performance-wise but for some reason many Americans think that if you just increase funding of public schools then they will perform better when really this is totally opposite. If you put more money into your shitty machine without changing how it operates then all you get is a bigger shitty machine.
4. America is a secular nation, all religions practice freely and there is no established religion. Religious people vote and influence their government, but that doesn't mean the country isn't secular. Are you suggesting religious people shouldn't vote?
5. This one is my favorite, the reason big government is bad in a nutshell is because it is corrupt and inefficient. Government can do some things well such as collect money, and write checks. As far as running things government is inferior to the private sector, big time. The problem with the way government is run is that its incentives are backwards, employees are rewarded by tenure rather than performance, government agencies are rewarded for spending their entire budgets with more funding, agencies that save money are punished with cuts. If a business does poorly in the private market, then it goes out of business and another better company takes over. If a government agency does poorly, then it receives more funding because it "wasn't funded properly". It's also almost impossible to fire a government employee, not so in the private market. So basically government employees and agencies are not motivated to be efficient or effective, I mean why should they? All they have to do is sit on their fat asses year after year and their pay goes up regardless of their performance. Another this is if I don't want to deal with a business, I DON'T HAVE TO. If I don't like Wal-Mart I can tell them to go fuck themselves and go to Target. I HAVE TO deal with the government whether I like it or not,
...in 1950 America was the worlds supreme superpower, since then America has been overtaken by dozens of countries all founded on the above listed principles. In fact the argument could be made that America is teetering on the brink of total economic collapse.
America's GDP is still 3 times higher than the country in second place so I wouldn't say it's on the brink of collapse or in any risk of being overtaken any time soon. America is having some problems, but most of them are due to out of control spending, high taxation, and government regulation, not because of a lack of socialism.
Why do conservative Christians espouse the kind of nonsense The Coach is spouting in this thread?
What kind of nonsense is he spouting? Where is he wrong about anything he's saying about the Messiah?
Since when is Rush Limbaugh, fabricator of 95.6% of all the statistics he quotes, considered a reliable source? What's with the stupidity of people happily shouting "Obama is bad for America... Big Oil/Big Tobacco/Big Pharma/Big Money told me so!"
Just because you don't like what Rush has to say doesn't mean that he doesn't bring up good points. I trust Rush more than the regular socialist media because at least Rush admits he's biased as hell. You know where he's coming from, the rest of the media pretend that they are "objective" which is total horseshit, just look at the constant orgasms they're having over this Obama guy, it's embarrassing. Why would the regular media be a more reliable source of information when you know right of the bat that they are lying their asses off about their motives and biases?
...I just don't understand right wing American Evangelicals? Why do they vote Republican? Jesus would vote Democrat, surely?
They vote Republican because of abortion. The stupid useless issue of abortion, these people would vote Stalin himself in if he had the "right" view on abortion. The anti-choice religious nuts in the republican party are a liability, they are the reason that that old liberal geezer McCain got the nomination. The Republican party must crash and burn and be rebuilt into a real nationalist capitalistic party again.
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America's GDP is still 3 times higher than the country in second place so I wouldn't say it's on the brink of collapse or in any risk of being overtaken any time soon.
Not sure whether you mean some overall thing, which is hard to quantify. On a per capita basis USA is not highest, has not been for years. Studies vary but most put the USA at 7 - 10th position.
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Of course these ASSHOLES did not listen to what Obama said...99 percent of the time the most VOCAL IDIOTS on this board don't have a clue as to what they are screaming about....but scream away they do. These lame brains of GB want to continue in the George Bush BULLSHIT system of MONETARY WASTE while we all watch food, gas, taxes, etc climb exponentially. Sadly most of the persons on this board are still home with their parents and don't have a clue as to the reality of things, so they just scream out what ever they emotionally feel without knowing or at the very least checking the facts. As this Patriot Act/NWO/ Police State system comes further into effect in america the same assholes will be the ones standing there with the proverbial deer in the headlights look saying HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? WHAT DO WE DO NOW? By then it will be too late...everyones RIGHTS WILL HAVE BEEN TERMINATED, new laws will eradicate freedom of speech, privacy, worship etc etc. Then these morons will try and forceably take back what has been taken and will end up shot to death or jailed by the new police state cops. How many times has George Bush made reference to THE NEW WORLD ORDER, has added more agencies to the government whose powers are AGAINST THE POPULATION and whose powers are UNQUESTIONABLE, ABOVE THE CONSTITUTION, ARE DONE IN THE COVER OF DARKNESS AND SECRECY? Obama at least informs people of what he would like to do...is it perfect...NO, but look at the fucking disaster of a country he will inherit should he become president. TRILLIONS of dollar of debt, no manufacturing, massive unemployment (I hope you are not dumb enough to believe the 5 percent bullshit that the news reports...that number is easily 20 to 30 percent given the continuous 3 to 4 hundred thousand people filing for unemployment insurance every week), multiple wars costing trillions of dollars and accomplishing nothing, rogue foreign policy EYC ETC ETC. Why would anyone turn their nose up to someone who is at least TRYING to make things better as opposed to staying with lame son of a bitch you have had for eight years? Why would you protest...KNOWING NOTHING ABOUT THE CANDIDATE? And for the rest of the closeted racist who say Obama isn't qualified...hahahahah... america has had nothing but UNQUALIFIED WHITE MEN SINCE GEORGE WASHINGTON and look at the MESS they have made. Some of you are dumb enough to want McCain...why would I want some CANCER STRICKEN HOMOSEXUAL KNOB replacing a closeted homosexual like George Bush...anyone heard from his lover Jeff Gannon lately? Is Jeff still making hundreds of late night whitehouse visits to see Georgie boy? Lemme see we have seen dozens of closeted fags under George Bush since he came into effect: Dennis Hastert, John Crisp, Barney Frank, Larry Craig, Robert Allen UGH..the list is endless and let us not forget Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Pearle, etc etc who have DECIMATED america in their time. WTF?
You know maybe letting a McCain into the whitehouse will do the assholes who hate Obama all the good they deserve. When they are reduced down to soup lines, welfare, jails, being sacrificed in war for the rich petrochemical and big pharma companies, when they are drinking and eating food so foul a dog would turn away from it, when there are no jobs and society is reduced to something similar to Judge Dredd or Soylent Green then they will be able to see...But why should it have to come to this extreme for anyone to see? Then again this is america land of the IGNORANT, BLIND, DUMB, SENSELESS, DEMORALIZED....maybe the best thing is for it to be consumed by its own devices.
A challenge for you, if you dare to take it:
Please name 5 things good about the USA...or is your life, respectfully, that sad?
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1. Show me where socialized medicine has been successful. All I see are countries with long waiting lists, inadequate services, and crippling tax burdens. The reason socialized medicine is a bad idea and feared in America is because it creates unlimited demand which strains supply to the max. It's like if a gas station offered free gasoline, there would be a line around the block of people waiting for their free gas whether they need it or not. The same principle applies with health care, if health care is "free" every asshole with so much as a sniffle will go to his or her doctor to get treated because it's "free". Because government can't keep up with demand they have to either: deny people coverage, have people wait for medical care, or both.
And we are not fond of seeing our taxes shoot to 70%
2. I agree with you here, income taxes are outdated and inefficient. I like the FairTax myself, it's a consumption tax very similar to the VAT. The American people are not afraid of consumption taxes, their government is. The income tax gives politicians a lot of power, consumption taxes take it away, simple.
Yes
3. If by "proper" education you mean government controlled education then America already has that. Government or "public" schools are the norm here and they're terrible. If your kid is stuck in a shitty school you have three options in this country: move, enroll in a private school (which only the wealthy can afford), or home school (can't really do this if your poor either). You can't just move your child to a different public school (well you can but it's almost impossible). The sad thing is that private and home schoolers blow public school kids out of the water performance-wise but for some reason many Americans think that if you just increase funding of public schools then they will perform better when really this is totally opposite. If you put more money into your shitty machine without changing how it operates then all you get is a bigger shitty machine.
Well, I don't know. Physics at Yale is the same as physics at community college. You can learn anywhere. I have a hard time blaming the 'system'...I like to cast responsibility for failings to the mommies and daddies (if there are any) and the lazy-ass, Ipod toting kids themselves.
4. America is a secular nation, all religions practice freely and there is no established religion. Religious people vote and influence their government, but that doesn't mean the country isn't secular. Are you suggesting religious people shouldn't vote?
5. This one is my favorite, the reason big government is bad in a nutshell is because it is corrupt and inefficient. Government can do some things well such as collect money, and write checks. As far as running things government is inferior to the private sector, big time. The problem with the way government is run is that its incentives are backwards, employees are rewarded by tenure rather than performance, government agencies are rewarded for spending their entire budgets with more funding, agencies that save money are punished with cuts. If a business does poorly in the private market, then it goes out of business and another better company takes over. If a government agency does poorly, then it receives more funding because it "wasn't funded properly". It's also almost impossible to fire a government employee, not so in the private market. So basically government employees and agencies are not motivated to be efficient or effective, I mean why should they? All they have to do is sit on their fat asses year after year and their pay goes up regardless of their performance. Another this is if I don't want to deal with a business, I DON'T HAVE TO. If I don't like Wal-Mart I can tell them to go fuck themselves and go to Target. I HAVE TO deal with the government whether I like it or not,
Wow. Sounds a lot like France!
America's GDP is still 3 times higher than the country in second place so I wouldn't say it's on the brink of collapse or in any risk of being overtaken any time soon. America is having some problems, but most of them are due to out of control spending, high taxation, and government regulation, not because of a lack of socialism.
The ship will be righted
What kind of nonsense is he spouting? Where is he wrong about anything he's saying about the Messiah?
Just because you don't like what Rush has to say doesn't mean that he doesn't bring up good points. I trust Rush more than the regular socialist media because at least Rush admits he's biased as hell. You know where he's coming from, the rest of the media pretend that they are "objective" which is total horseshit, just look at the constant orgasms they're having over this Obama guy, it's embarrassing. Why would the regular media be a more reliable source of information when you know right of the bat that they are lying their asses off about their motives and biases?
Yes. I don't mind dealing with a jerk, because I always know he is a jerk, so I can trust and depend on his 'jerkiness'
They vote Republican because of abortion. The stupid useless issue of abortion, these people would vote Stalin himself in if he had the "right" view on abortion. The anti-choice religious nuts in the republican party are a liability, they are the reason that that old liberal geezer McCain got the nomination. The Republican party must crash and burn and be rebuilt into a real nationalist capitalistic party again.
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Not sure whether you mean some overall thing, which is hard to quantify. On a per capita basis USA is not highest, has not been for years. Studies vary but most put the USA at 7 - 10th position.
Of course I mean the overall thing, Per Capita GDP isn't exactly a reliable method to determine who are the movers and shakers of the world. The highest per capita GDP is Quatar, followed by Luxembourg, then by Malta and Norway. Not exactly the big dogs of the global market.
When you look at total GDP you get the US (14 trillion), Japan (4 trillion), Germany (3 trillion), and China (3 trillion). See what I mean?
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Of course I mean the overall thing, Per Capita GDP isn't exactly a reliable method to determine who are the movers and shakers of the world. The highest per capita GDP is Quatar, followed by Luxembourg, then by Malta and Norway. Not exactly the big dogs of the global market.
When you look at total GDP you get the US (14 trillion), Japan (4 trillion), Germany (3 trillion), and China (3 trillion). See what I mean?
Yes. It is all relative.
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...this is another weird thing Americans believe without question.
What's so bad about big government?
The model you support has lead America into the instability it's now suffering.
Small government does indeed mean more personal liberty for middle class Americans, but it also means:
-poor public school systems
-poor social welfare
-a homelessness rate to rival any third world country
-rampant crime
-most working class people living one paycheque away from destitution
-most middle class people living one diagnosis away from destitution
...but more importantly, it means a small government which cannot curb the Machiavellian machinations of big-money vested interests. So small government effectively means a Corporo-cracy.
As George Bernard Shaw so wisely said: "I don't want the working classes to have baths only for their sake, but also for my sake"
The Luke
The Luke has made THE MOST Intelligent response on this thread. Finally, somebody who champion rationality.
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...my point was that America's Gordon Gekko culture has lead it to the brink of societal collapse, meanwhile the socialist countries have been overtaking America in every positive living index.
Elections are won and lost here in Ireland based on the performance of our free health service... we have the 9th best healthcare system in the world.
American politicians get voted out if they even mention "socialised" medicine... yet America has the 37th best healthcare system in the world... while simultaneously paying many times more for their medical insurance than socialised countries pay in taxes for their better systems.
A socialist revolution in the US might be the only thing that can save it... unfortunately, the people who have been indoctrinated into believing the American Dream dismiss proven socialist policy without even being able to articulate why they disagree.
The Luke
I am a committed Socialist my friend. Only the wisest of the wise ever make it to our side.
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I am a committed Socialist my friend. Only the wisest of the wise ever make it to our side.
genius and retard alike fall into each and every category on the spectrum of political ideaology, adam. its not a matter of intelligence that dictates viewpoint on this kind of thing.
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The Luke has made THE MOST Intelligent response on this thread. Finally, somebody who champion rationality.
I totally agree ,my friend.
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Obama isn`t socialist enough. Mike Gravel or Dennis Kucinich would have certainly been a MUCH better choice.
The Fair Tax is also the pertinent way to go. I can`t bear the miscreants in this thread on all sides. Nobody here clearly knows much of anything. Especially American History.
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genius and retard alike fall into each and every category on the spectrum of political ideaology, adam. its not a matter of intelligence that dictates viewpoint on this kind of thing.
wow dude.. I'm impressed.
That is so true.
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A challenge for you, if you dare to take it:
Please name 5 things good about the USA...or is your life, respectfully, that sad?
SADLY THE GOOD THINGS I WOULD SAY ARE IMPOSSIBLE IN AMERICA....
1. Everyone has a home or the opportunity to have one...Not the scam that has been played on the masses.
2. Everyone has access to healthcare...too many without healthcare and too many with serious sickness
3 EDUCATION...IT IS SO IMPORTANT I AM SAYING IT IN ALL CAPS.
4 Employment be it a job or the ability to have or open ones own business
5 RETIREMENT...being able to retire at an age when life is still within ones body...With retirement now set at the same time as ones DEATH there is no longer a time to retire.
THERE SHOULD BE FIVE THINGS EVERONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY IS GOOD ABOUT AMERICA, BUT SADLY IT IS THE OPPOSITE....
What do you see as GOOD?
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3 EDUCATION...IT IS SO IMPORTANT I AM SAYING IT IN ALL CAPS.
This coming from a guy that writes more lies and factual errors than anybody here. Oh, the irony ;D
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We may need 8 years of socialism and welfare economics to fixed our national debt and restore our reputation.
During the 90's people loved this nation and looked up to it, while now they despise it.
Obama can actually get back our reputation. I mean he's already viewed in a favorable light by the world, much more so than than lunatic old man named McCain
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This coming from a guy that writes more lies and factual errors than anybody here. Oh, the irony ;D
THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS A LIE TO LIARS...
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THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS A LIE TO LIARS...
So, do you still stand by your post where you clearly claimed that almost a dozen inventions documented to be invented by white inventors were in reality invented by black inventors without being able to come up with a shred of evidence? ;D
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A TRUE hero.
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Another TRUE hero.
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Yet ANOTHER hero.
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So, do you still stand by your post where you clearly claimed that almost a dozen inventions documented to be invented by white inventors were in reality invented by black inventors without being able to come up with a shred of evidence? ;D
I STAND FIRM...and it is YOU who has not come up with any evidence to support your LIES and the LIES that have been taught. Did you read the books I receommended? Please do so you can get over your white dreams...
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This country's reputation is tanked. Gas prices are soaring. The cost of living is going up everyday. People are losing their jobs.
And you're worried about firearms
If you don't want gas prices to keep on soaring then we need to stop being dependant on other countries oil besides, local and state taxes are major reason why gas increasing. Even though oil companies are making shitload, the profit margin is only about 3-4%. I heard today that in England local gas tax is something 58%.
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ANOTHER HERO, with some videos from my YOUTUBE channel.
Enjoy.
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wow dude.. I'm impressed.
That is so true.
lol thanks man.. i used to be all into politics... i was the youngest lead intern for a natiional congressman ! that the office knew of.. 8)
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I STAND FIRM...and it is YOU who has not come up with any evidence to support your LIES and the LIES that have been taught. Did you read the books I receommended? Please do so you can get over your white dreams...
Debussey clearly proved you wrong on every one of your claims, and that fag Goatboy wrote some additional stuff. The references were solid, and you know it. Debusseys post = still there, written in a point 2 point fashion so you easily can refute every point in an isolated and systematic fashion.
And no, Debussey has not read the shit you recommended. Right now Debussey = reading porn.
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THIS is for EVERYONE`S benefit.
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Even though oil companies are making shitload, the profit margin is only about 3-4%.
So when gas was $1.32 in 2001.... oil companies made 5 or 6 cents per gallon.
Now that gas is $4.00 per gallon.... oil companies make 15 to 20 cents per gallon.
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You Miscreants KNOW NOTHING about American History.
I am willing to bet Not a ONE can name this IMPORTANT AMERICAN HERO.
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You Miscreants KNOW NOTHING about American History.
I am willing to bet Not a ONE can name this IMPORTANT AMERICAN HERO.
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hahaha
your hilarious dude
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Debussey clearly proved you wrong on every one of your claims, and that fag Goatboy wrote some additional stuff. The references were solid, and you know it. Debusseys post = still there, written in a point 2 point fashion so you easily can refute every point in an isolated and systematic fashion.
And no, Debussey has not read the shit you recommended. Right now Debussey = reading porn.
FINDING OUT WHITES HAVE DONE NOTHING REALLY UPSETS YOU I SEE...
Since you are unwilling to READ FACTS but wish to go on with your own wetdream fantasies there is no need in arguing the point. It only takes up space on this board and is not within the framework of fthe topic... You can return to reading your BLUEBOY BOOKS NOW...
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You Miscreants KNOW NOTHING about American History.
I am willing to bet Not a ONE can name this IMPORTANT AMERICAN HERO.
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ayn rand
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No one cares Adonis. Get over the past. It's getting past pathetic.
Eventually people get the govt they deserve. Both candidates suck but McCain is definately mentally unstable and cannot be fully trusted.
I haven't figured out who to vote against yet.
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I am embarrassed over my ancestors lack of brainpower, so I need to make up a lot of lies that are easy to spot on a messageboard, which = a true testament to my intelligence.
:-*
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No one cares Adonis. Get over the past. It's getting past pathetic.
Eventually people get the govt they deserve. Both candidates suck but McCain is definately mentally unstable and cannot be fully trusted.
I haven't figured out who to vote against yet.
Most ignorant post yet.
THIS is WHY people in the United States are really ignorant. Your post has provided just the answer The Luke was after as to WHY the Majority of Americans are currently so worthelss. History, Reason, Science and Evidence based arguments elude them. Americans are sunk to the murky depths of ignorance by mere bagatelles. I wonder if they even have a future when they certainly cannot and DO NOT comprehend the past.
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Most ignorant post yet.
THIS is WHY people in the United States are really ignorant. Your post has provided just the answer The Luke was after as to WHY the Majority of Americans are currently so worthelss. History, Reason, Science and Evidence based arguments elude them. Americans are sunk to the murky depths of ignorance by mere bagatelles. I wonder if they even have a future when they certainly cannot and DO NOT comprehend the past.
Are you saying that the americans are falling into the same trap as the muslim world is in by not allowing rationality and science interfere with their irrational mental constructs that serves as their "decision boxes"? :o
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washington should be wiped of the map.
Most accurate post in getbig history. Right on the money.
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SADLY THE GOOD THINGS I WOULD SAY ARE IMPOSSIBLE IN AMERICA....
1. Everyone has a home or the opportunity to have one...Not the scam that has been played on the masses.
Got that...paid for it in full by being self-employed
2. Everyone has access to healthcare...too many without healthcare and too many with serious sickness
Pay for healthcare for myself and staff ON MY OWN
3 EDUCATION...IT IS SO IMPORTANT I AM SAYING IT IN ALL CAPS.
Three degrees paid for on my own
4 Employment be it a job or the ability to have or open ones own business
Did that
5 RETIREMENT...being able to retire at an age when life is still within ones body...With retirement now set at the same time as ones DEATH there is no longer a time to retire.
Since I don't piss my money away on lattes, SUV's, and similar stupid shit...I have been able to take care of my own retirement.
I think the theme is SELF-RESPONSIBILITY
THERE SHOULD BE FIVE THINGS EVERONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY IS GOOD ABOUT AMERICA, BUT SADLY IT IS THE OPPOSITE....
What do you see as GOOD?
See above. Obviously, we have problems to work out.
However...
Talk to the man who has won lotto today, and to the man who lost his job today...
One will say: "America is the best!"
The other will say,"this country is going downhill
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Obama Vows To Disarm America
Good. There are way too many guns in American Society. I am French and I don't understand the American obsession with owning guns. I mean, it's not like you can use your guns without frying in the electric chair anyway, so why have them? If guns were less available, the tragedy of Columbine would not have happened. What should have been a fist fight between two outcasts and the popular boys turned into a massacre with 14 deads because guns are so easy to buy.
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I am a committed Socialist my friend. Only the wisest of the wise ever make it to our side.
See this is the difference between you and "The Luke". While he lives in another country complaining about ours, you still live here and bitch about it's problems all the while reaping the rewards it gives you.........why are you in this country again?
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See this is the difference between you and "The Luke". While he lives in another country complaining about ours, you still live here and bitch about it's problems all the while reaping the rewards it gives you.........why are you in this country again?
Ohhhh...that Luke character lives in another country.
Thought he was American.
THAT explains his hatred.
Is he a middle easterner?
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Good. There are way too many guns in American Society. I am French and I don't understand the American obsession with owning guns. I mean, it's not like you can use your guns without frying in the electric chair anyway, so why have them? If guns were less available, the tragedy of Columbine would not have happened. What should have been a fist fight between two outcasts and the popular boys turned into a massacre with 14 deads because guns are so easy to buy.
If someone breaks into my home in the middle of the night and is standing over my son or family, you can bet your ass I'll be shooting first and asking questions later >:(
Does this clear things up a little??
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If someone breaks into my home in the middle of the night and is standing over my son or family, you can bet your ass I'll be shooting first and asking questions later >:(
Does this clear things up a little??
...as crystal
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See this is the difference between you and "The Luke". While he lives in another country complaining about ours, you still live here and bitch about it's problems all the while reaping the rewards it gives you.........why are you in this country again?
This is not even a rational argument. It is nothing but you writing some ideological bullshit with NO relevancy to Adonix argument at all. >:(
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Ohhhh...that Luke character lives in another country.
Thought he was American.
THAT explains his hatred.
Is he a middle easterner?
Pretty sure. But if thats the he was raised I can't blame him for his thinking so it's all good with him. But Adonis says he socialist when in fact he's closest to a communist.
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This is not even a rational argument. It is nothing but you writing some ideological bullshit with NO relevancy to Adonix argument at all. >:(
I haven't been in in 61/2 pages.......I'm gettiing caught up. But if it helps I've read his commie bullshit before.
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Pretty sure. But if thats the he was raised I can't blame him for his thinking so it's all good with him. But Adonis says he socialist when in fact he's closest to a communist.
FAIL. America is not love it or leave it. It is Love it or Fix it.
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I haven't been in in 61/2 pages.......I'm gettiing caught up. But if it helps I've read his commie bullshit before.
Do you know what he is actually argumenting for when you entitle his opinions "commie bullshit"? Do you know the macroeconomical implications of his arguments? Are you suited to evaluate those? What about his opinions on politics in general and the implications of those? And so on and so on?
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This is not even a rational argument. It is nothing but you writing some ideological bullshit with NO relevancy to Adonix argument at all. >:(
Above rational is the second amendment to the constitution.. It's one of the originals and has always been important, not as much as the first, but important.
It serves as protection against the greatest evil in a desperate plea.. Incase the government goes overboard and one needs the ability to strike back.
The Coach is a moron and I doubt he understand true conservative ideals, but being a libertarian and having similar ideals to a conservative, I guess my explanation is better.
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FAIL. America is not love it or leave it. It is Love it or Fix it.
Its actually, "Offer solutions to go along with your incessant whining..."
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McCain will deliver more of the same for Republicans, the faces change the policies dont, Vote for Obama, America needs change.
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Good. There are way too many guns in American Society. I am French and I don't understand the American obsession with owning guns. I mean, it's not like you can use your guns without frying in the electric chair anyway, so why have them? If guns were less available, the tragedy of Columbine would not have happened. What should have been a fist fight between two outcasts and the popular boys turned into a massacre with 14 deads because guns are so easy to buy.
If someone breaks into my home in the middle of the night and is standing over my son or family, you can bet your ass I'll be shooting first and asking questions later >:(
Does this clear things up a little??
I concur Coach, and hope this does not happen to you.
Facts are facts, most studies put the USA in the top 30 or so of highest per capita murder rates worldwide - meaning in almost 200 nations you are less likely to be offed by some nutbag. Here I know no one will shoot me [we have no guns] so obviously could care less about not having one to defend myself. When I lived in the US, my husband did get a gun for defence as he felt it was warranted. When I am in Jamaica [sky high rates] I travel with an armed person. I adapt.
Its a matter of understanding the other position. People living somewhere where getting shot is so unlikely don't understand the seeming American "gun fetish". Then on the flip, some Americans don't get why we don't have a "gun fetish" not understanding the self defence thing is not such an issue. Not to be morbid, but statistically Coach is 4 - 8 times more likely to be shot than most European residents, so hence varying views on wanting self defence means.
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McCain will deliver more of the same for Republicans, the faces change the policies dont, Vote for Obama, America needs change.
What kind of change is he bringing? I hear "change we can believe in" 900 times a day, but I have no idea what kind of change he's talking about.
The Obama campaign is nothing more than a bunch of meaningless slogans wrapped around an empty suit.
P.S. McCain sucks too. We're all screwed.
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Most ignorant post yet.
THIS is WHY people in the United States are really ignorant. Your post has provided just the answer The Luke was after as to WHY the Majority of Americans are currently so worthelss. History, Reason, Science and Evidence based arguments elude them. Americans are sunk to the murky depths of ignorance by mere bagatelles. I wonder if they even have a future when they certainly cannot and DO NOT comprehend the past.
Don't you believe in Global Warming?
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What kind of change is he bringing? I hear "change we can believe in" 900 times a day, but I have no idea what kind of change he's talking about.
The Obama campaign is nothing more than a bunch of meaningless slogans wrapped around an empty suit.
P.S. McCain sucks too. We're all screwed.
No, we are not
However
If you really think this
I guess there is no reason for you to ever get out of bed again.
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No, we are not
However
If you really think this
I guess there is no reason for you to ever get out of bed again.
My motivation for living is not dependent on which asshole is running the country I'm living in.
I don't mean we're screwed forever, but America's immediate future is not looking too hot. An Obama Presidency is going be Carter part II, if not worse.
McCain is a liberal himself, so along with a Democrat legislature he'll be more than happy to enact a flood of nanny state bullshit.
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If someone breaks into my home in the middle of the night and is standing over my son or family, you can bet your ass I'll be shooting first and asking questions later >:(
Does this clear things up a little??
I'm with you on this. People in other countries don't have an answer for what they would do to defend themselves and the families. They just *hope* it'll never happen to them.
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i voted for obama in the primary and will again in the general
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Most accurate post in getbig history. Right on the money.
Serious question, then why are you here taking and reaping what this country has givin you?
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If someone breaks into my home in the middle of the night and is standing over my son or family, you can bet your ass I'll be shooting first and asking questions later >:(
Does this clear things up a little??
Armed robbers assault in gangs of 3 or 4, meaning that owning a gun wouldn't make any difference at all. Trying to react will only get you killed. You have this vision of the heroic citizen fighting evil wrong doers with his guns, but that's an American fantasy. The reality is that armed robbers are better armed and will have numerical superiority over you, and they have the surprise factor as well. What will happen is that they will enter your home in the middle of the night and you will wake up with 4 men pointing automatic weapons at you. You won't even have time to get your gun, and even if you did, you will end up like Swiss cheese.
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I'm with you on this. People in other countries don't have an answer for what they would do to defend themselves and the families. They just *hope* it'll never happen to them.
Our murder rates are like well under 10 times lower than yours, I only have 10% the chance you do of being offed. Plus, anyone that really feels the need to wack me, needs to break a sweat and use like a knife or something. And like a steak knife too, as any form of 'weapon' is banned. They will burn some calories stabbing me up.
Again, its more pertinent for Americans due to the per capita murder rates. 4, 6, 8, 10 times more likely there than 150+ nations.
So yeah, there and any high crime places I get the gun thing. There is far greater need to defend.
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Our murder rates are like well under 10 times lower than yours, I only have 10% the chance you do of being offed. Plus, anyone that really feels the need to wack me, needs to break a sweat and use like a knife or something. And like a steak knife too, as any form of 'weapon' is banned. They will burn some calories stabbing me up.
Again, its more pertinent for Americans due to the per capita murder rates. 4, 6, 8, 10 times more likely there than 150+ nations.
So yeah, there and any high crime places I get the gun thing. There is far greater need to defend.
toothpaste is already out of the tube here. you can't get all those guns back without a 50 year period of lawlessness and martial law. Do you know how many grizzled old men would sooner have a gun battle on their porch, than give up the 1911 .45 that saved their ass in Nam?
CQ, when the USA was formed, it was built in the mindset that we would be getting our hands durty in the world. 5 minutes after constitution is signed, we already had our 'manifest destiny', or plan to steal all land all the way to california. Then, we started in 1805 in Africa.
our founders knew that we'd be a bully, and a hated one at that. so they gave us the right to keep guns, to ensure that nobody will ever enter our nation. England tried it in 1776... and the minuteman - instant army - sent them packing. Happened again in 1812.
We're gangesters. we were founded by gangsters who rebeled against England, and the minute we were free, we started colonialism of our own. It's just how things are. Guns are written into it to ensure that our govt stays honest with us, and that should any chinese or iraqi or russian army come into our streets, they're going to get peppered with so much small arms fire, they won't want to stick around.
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we started colonialism of our own.
Name one American colony
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toothpaste is already out of the tube here. you can't get all those guns back without a 50 year period of lawlessness and martial law. Do you know how many grizzled old men would sooner have a gun battle on their porch, than give up the 1911 .45 that saved their ass in Nam?
CQ, when the USA was formed, it was built in the mindset that we would be getting our hands durty in the world. 5 minutes after constitution is signed, we already had our 'manifest destiny', or plan to steal all land all the way to california. Then, we started in 1805 in Africa.
our founders knew that we'd be a bully, and a hated one at that. so they gave us the right to keep guns, to ensure that nobody will ever enter our nation. England tried it in 1776... and the minuteman - instant army - sent them packing. Happened again in 1812.
We're gangesters. we were founded by gangsters who rebeled against England, and the minute we were free, we started colonialism of our own. It's just how things are. Guns are written into it to ensure that our govt stays honest with us, and that should any chinese or iraqi or russian army come into our streets, they're going to get peppered with so much small arms fire, they won't want to stick around.
Agree. Trying to ban guns now is ghey. Only law abiding types, who are no harm anyway, will be all fruity and turn them in. The serial killer is hardly likely to tuirn in his weapons ::)
All history is good, we have a great one also, founded by Native Americans and Blacks who fled via boat from slavery hundreds of years ago.
My only point is people act like we are off as we don't have them, and make comments like we are wrong. 2 sides to every coin. Crime is way less. Chances of anyone trying to kill me, on my soil, is so remote its ridiculous. 10% of yours, and to be blunt the rare murder we have is some scum killed another loser in like a fight and much of the population is like 'good riddance'. We really don't have wackos going round killing people.
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Ohhhh...that Luke character lives in another country.
Thought he was American.
THAT explains his hatred.
Is he a middle easterner?
He's English
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He's English
...Irish, but close.
This thread has taken a really interesting twist... good points from some deep thinkers... this is the kind of discussion that might give GetBig a good name.
With regard to the gun issue... that's easy. Just ban the manufacture of ammunition.
Bullets go stale... twenty years later a mugger will have to bludgeon people with his Tech 9... I don't see any crackheads taking college chemistry courses:
Needing a gun in case someone breaks into your house is plain stupid... just another conservatives wet dream delusion. Statistical studies have shown conclusively that handguns kept in residences for protection are far more likely to kill/maim one of the residents than an intruder.
The Luke
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McCain will deliver more of the same for Republicans, the faces change the policies dont, Vote for Obama, America needs change.
lol! spoken like the average leftist dumbfuck.
and now, explain 'change' ? What is this change you talk about like a meaningless mantra exactly ?
having a black young president instead of an old white WASP in office? it's called white guilt and self hartred toward your own community , hope this helps.
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Armed robbers assault in gangs of 3 or 4, meaning that owning a gun wouldn't make any difference at all. Trying to react will only get you killed. You have this vision of the heroic citizen fighting evil wrong doers with his guns, but that's an American fantasy. The reality is that armed robbers are better armed and will have numerical superiority over you, and they have the surprise factor as well. What will happen is that they will enter your home in the middle of the night and you will wake up with 4 men pointing automatic weapons at you. You won't even have time to get your gun, and even if you did, you will end up like Swiss cheese.
You are exactly right. The scenarios that individuals say they would need a gun for would never have the chance to use. It just doesn't make sense.
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With regard to the gun issue... that's easy. Just ban the manufacture of ammunition.
Just because you ban something doesn't mean it goes away.
If you ban bullets all you do is create a black market for them. Then you end up with armed criminals with bullets and disarmed citizens without bullets.
Bullets go stale... twenty years later a mugger will have to bludgeon people with his Tech 9... I don't see any crackheads taking college chemistry courses:
I remember watching a program about Afghanistan. They were manufacturing full functioning pistols with clay molds and old fashioned blast furnaces. Bullets are even easier to manufacture.
Not all criminals are "crackheads", the people running the drug trade are very sophisticated and intelligent. If people can learn to produce methamphetamine, then they can learn to mix gunpowder.
Your solution is hopelessly naive.
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Name one American colony
Iraq. We have 41 permanent bases, a handpicked candidate running the place, US oil firms are now drilling in 80% of their fields, and we're finalizing plans for the longterm agreement that will have us there, as mccain agrees, 100 years.
They get to keep their flag and the facade of democracy. We get all the oil and airspace.
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Bullets go stale... twenty years later a mugger will have to bludgeon people with his Tech 9... I don't see any crackheads taking college chemistry courses:
Actually, tens of thousands of Americans DO make their own bullets at home with gun presses. You ban ammo, and suddenly you have 50k "ammo bootlegger" businesses show up.
Needing a gun in case someone breaks into your house is plain stupid... just another conservatives wet dream delusion. Statistical studies have shown conclusively that handguns kept in residences for protection are far more likely to kill/maim one of the residents than an intruder.
Luke, I respect your knowledge, but you're wrong on this one. You can have all the nationwide and worldwide studies you want. in SW Florida, home invasion robberies, or driveway robberies (team of men follow women home from grocery store and rob them as they unload groceries, are WAY UP.
The recession is just about here, and there are a LOT of hungry people about to get evicted. They rob people when they do this.
yes, handguns in the home are more likely to be used in accidents than self-defense. But that's just personal responsibility issue. I've kept a gun by my side at home for 14 years now. And yes, on a few occasions, when I lived in poor areas, cocking the mossberg before politely asking some random crackhead to leave my porch, HAS happened.
Are you saying I should not have the right to defend my home and family, because some other assshole might cap his wife when they're at home doing lines and debating their own fcked up marriage?
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the attack on the trade centre was a simple results of years of interference into other countries affairs and the lavish unconditional support for terrorist country like israel. it was a big tragedy but its only a small one if you compare it to what usa have done to other countries.
there will be much more grieve among the americans in the near future if they continue behaving like bush does.
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Iraq. We have 41 permanent bases, a handpicked candidate running the place, US oil firms are now drilling in 80% of their fields, and we're finalizing plans for the longterm agreement that will have us there, as mccain agrees, 100 years.
They get to keep their flag and the facade of democracy. We get all the oil and airspace.
what country will the US 'invade' next to save it's sorry ass?
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Venezuela, Iran.
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what country will the US 'invade' next to save it's sorry ass?
africa. they just found oil there and we're it sounds like we're shifting forces there in oct 08 when bush declares victory in iraq/afghanistan simultaneously and 'find' some problem there requiring big spending, big drilling, and big bombing.
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africa. they just found oil there and we're it sounds like we're shifting forces there in oct 08 when bush declares victory in iraq/afghanistan simultaneously and 'find' some problem there requiring big spending, big drilling, and big bombing.
lol, your post sounds sarcastic, but youre probably right
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Iraq. We have 41 permanent bases, a handpicked candidate running the place, US oil firms are now drilling in 80% of their fields, and we're finalizing plans for the longterm agreement that will have us there, as mccain agrees, 100 years.
They get to keep their flag and the facade of democracy. We get all the oil and airspace.
Iraq is not an American colony any more than South Korea is. Nobody wants to stay there any longer than they have to.
Plus this oil nonsense reasoning for the American presence in Iraq is getting tiring. The Iraqis are not paying the US government at all for the huge expense the Americans took on for liberating that country. That and in case you haven't noticed gas is really expensive now. If Iraq is (was) about oil, then they sure are doing a piss poor job of delivering that oil.
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the attack on the trade centre was a simple results of years of interference into other countries affairs and the lavish unconditional support for terrorist country like israel. it was a big tragedy but its only a small one if you compare it to what usa have done to other countries.
there will be much more grieve among the americans in the near future if they continue behaving like bush does.
Bullshit, the trade center attack was a result of religious fanaticism, period. The only acceptable behavior to these people is converting to Islam. Any other reasoning for this attack is pure fantasy.
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Plus this oil nonsense reasoning for the American presence in Iraq is getting tiring. The Iraqis are not paying the US government at all for the huge expense the Americans took on for liberating that country. That and in case you haven't noticed gas is really expensive now. If Iraq is (was) about oil, then they sure are doing a piss poor job of delivering that oil.
So the US did this out of the goodness of their hearts?
Recall this 'liberation' was suppose to be over in 30 days....7 years later there's going to be some miscalculations.
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Iraq is not an American colony any more than South Korea is. Nobody wants to stay there any longer than they have to.
Plus this oil nonsense reasoning for the American presence in Iraq is getting tiring. The Iraqis are not paying the US government at all for the huge expense the Americans took on for liberating that country. That and in case you haven't noticed gas is really expensive now. If Iraq is (was) about oil, then they sure are doing a piss poor job of delivering that oil.
don't waste your time with these socialist idiots.
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Plus this oil nonsense reasoning for the American presence in Iraq is getting tiring. The Iraqis are not paying the US government at all for the huge expense the Americans took on for liberating that country. That and in case you haven't noticed gas is really expensive now. If Iraq is (was) about oil, then they sure are doing a piss poor job of delivering that oil.
No offense, but you're embarassing yourself.
The US has spend 600 to 800 billion in iraq. Iraq possesses 50 to 75 tril worth of oil under its sands, and the US now contractually owns 40 to 80% of it, depending upon which contract passes. That oil will be sold in dollars, keeping the buck relevant in the region.
Oil prices are high due to weakening dollar, and because Bush/Cheney have been putting a crapload if it into our 'strategic reserve', a piggy bank of oil for a rainy day. This move allows us to hit Iran and avoid economic crisis in the 2 months afterwards, when the persian gulf would be closed and oil stops flowing. The oil is flowing, but into the matress stash, not your corner exxon station.
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lol, your post sounds sarcastic, but youre probably right
two big news items yesterday. oil found in africa. and hezbolah has a new stronghold in africa.
it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see that when Bush claims victory over Al-Q in October (to bolster mccain in the election) that the next logical target, since we have 200k men in region and a whole lot of hardware, would be the place with the next pile of oil and sexy targets to justify our being there.
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Most ignorant post yet.
THIS is WHY people in the United States are really ignorant. Your post has provided just the answer The Luke was after as to WHY the Majority of Americans are currently so worthelss. History, Reason, Science and Evidence based arguments elude them. Americans are sunk to the murky depths of ignorance by mere bagatelles. I wonder if they even have a future when they certainly cannot and DO NOT comprehend the past.
People do get the Govt they deserve. Problem is, everyone thinks they deserve better. :)
There's a difference between cutting and pasting a few pics or sections from books and really understanding them in the proper context. For good or ill, times have changed and it doesn't take a very smart person to see that. What you guys have traded away will never come back.
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LOL @ anyone who still thinks USA went into liberate Iraq.
As far as US colonies - its debatable - but what about my area? St Criox, St Thomas etc. Here, they are considered US colonies and reffered to as such.
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Bullshit, the trade center attack was a result of religious fanaticism, period. The only acceptable behavior to these people is converting to Islam. Any other reasoning for this attack is pure fantasy.
yeah but the question will then be why they turn to religious fanaticism in the first place.
usa gave them an excuse to turn to that dark side.
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Venezuela, Iran.
Venezeula has 170 more million people that Iraq, they are wary of the US already and on guard as is much of my region, have trained miltary, more weaponry and will have support within this region. Chavez will not be laying down for the US in any way. I doubt the US will be so daft as to try that, as it will make Iraq look like a walk in the park.
You ban ammo, and suddenly you have 50k "ammo bootlegger" businesses show up.
Agree, maybe tighter gun laws to slow down nutbags getting them, but trying to ban ammo or guns is futile
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A coup happened in Venezuela that was prepared by the usa What do they want? their oil, as they did in Iraq.
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yeah but the question will then be why they turn to religious fanaticism in the first place.
usa gave them an excuse to turn to that dark side.
We have a lot of fanatics here, Mars. They're called fundamentalists. The US also has a lot of groups that keep seperate for religious reasons. As far as the middle east area goes.... most of the people are poor and only have religion to help them make sense out of a world that is moving so fast that they'll never catch up in.
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i agree drkaje.
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Needing a gun in case someone breaks into your house is plain stupid... just another conservatives wet dream delusion. Statistical studies have shown conclusively that handguns kept in residences for protection are far more likely to kill/maim one of the residents than an intruder.
The Luke
I'm with 240 on this one ! here are something very interesting facts about firearms
Did you know that every 13 seconds one of America's 70 million gun owners uses a firearm in defense against a criminal? That American women use handguns 416 times a day in defense against rapists, which is a dozen times more often than rapists use a gun? That a gun kept in the home for protection is 216 times as likely to be used in defense against a criminal than it is to cause the death of an innocent victim in that household?
These are just a few of the surprises this book has in store for anyone whose belief in gun control is based on TV news or popular magazines.
A gun kept in the home for protection is 216 times as like to be used in defense against a criminal than it is to cause the death of an innocent victim ! again the media is anti-gun you don't here about these facts anyone want to know exactly where these facts are from its from J. Neil Schulman's book " Stopping Power " which I might add is available for FREE in PDF format http://www.pulpless.com/0576.html
gun control reduces crime is a myth anyone who subscribes to this notion simply doesn't know the facts.
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I'm with 240 on this one ! here are something very interesting facts about firearms
My brother used to be a big second amendment guy, everyone thought he was crazy. Til 2 guys in black masks entered his pharmacy with guns and a plan to execute both employees after getting the day's delivery of oxycotin. (one of the robbers' sisters called in sick that day after setting it all up).
He shot one in the belly and the other one fled. The guy he shot was already wanted for shooting at a police officer a month earlier. I'm not sure HE would have listened to any gun ban laws, seeing as he was already breaking the law. Would things have been any better if my brother had turned in his own gun? Nope.
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My brother used to be a big second amendment guy, everyone thought he was crazy. Til 2 guys in black masks entered his pharmacy with guns and a plan to execute both employees after getting the day's delivery of oxycotin. (one of the robbers' sisters called in sick that day after setting it all up).
He shot one in the belly and the other one fled. The guy he shot was already wanted for shooting at a police officer a month earlier. I'm not sure HE would have listened to any gun ban laws, seeing as he was already breaking the law. Would things have been any better if my brother had turned in his own gun? Nope.
People are just plain fucking stupid if they don't arm themselves , period. if you love your family you should own a gun and you should get plenty of training on how to use that gun.
luck favor's the prepared and I'm not taking chances with my life.
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Gun control does work. Here in the UK, law abiding citizens don't own and carry guns - it's only the muggers and other types of criminals that are armed.
It's great.
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Gun control does work. Here in the UK, law abiding citizens don't own and carry guns - it's only the muggers and other types of criminals that are armed.
It's great.
Exactly you disarm all the honest people and it makes it easier for the criminals .
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A coup happened in Venezuela that was prepared by the usa What do they want? their oil, as they did in Iraq.
Yes, the US has been interfering in my regions domestic affairs forever. Some offended person will flame me for this without checking to see I am correct, but whatever. Google will back me.
Posado is our biggest terrorist, our 'Bin laden". Took down a plane in the 1970's killing some 70 people, and bombed many places for a good decade. He admits to much, supected to have done much more. God knows how many of my people he killed.
Guess where he lives in full freedom under gov protection despite my region asking for his extradition since 2005 when he was arrested there for being an illegal immigrant?
His guilt is not in question by anyone, he *admits* it - official reason is he is afforded the protection of the US is as we may torture him [prolly true]. They can admit to torturing hundreds of suspected terrorists, but the mere suspiscion we may torture one admitted terrorist is so offensive to them. Irony defined ::)
We fight on daily, using all diplomatic measures available. Wonder how the US gov respond if Bin Laden was given safe refuge in Venuezula and strolled around the beaches? It's the same thing. Amazing that a government that decries terrorism constantly, allows a legendary one to live there in freedom.
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Amazing that a government that decries terrorism constantly, allows a legendary one to live there in freedom.
we didn't take out bin laden in 1998, in 2001, or in 2005. At each of those time, we had him in sight and he was allowed to escape.
you see, a living boogeyman is very good for war propaganda purposes. Most people on the street can't tell you about the true geopolitical reasons for invading afghanistan, iran, or iraq... but they know "that #$&*^* (*@&! Bin Laden".
Without external threats, their agenda would lose domestic support. You know, kinda like how if a bouncer hasn't broken up a fight in 3 weeks, he STARTS one? Job security...
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what about bin laden visited by an cia chief in an american hospital in dubai shortly before 911 happend.
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what about bin laden visited by an cia chief in an american hospital in dubai shortly before 911 happend.
On a related note, Posada is ex-CIA. That is an admitted fact from the CIA itself - they admit to employing him in the 1960's.
Folklore here has it that he was on the CIA payroll at the time of his all killings and they were engineered by the CIA hence why he gets to live there strolling Miami Beach all day.
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Iraq is not an American colony any more than South Korea is. Nobody wants to stay there any longer than they have to.
Plus this oil nonsense reasoning for the American presence in Iraq is getting tiring. The Iraqis are not paying the US government at all for the huge expense the Americans took on for liberating that country. That and in case you haven't noticed gas is really expensive now. If Iraq is (was) about oil, then they sure are doing a piss poor job of delivering that oil.
It doesn't matter. Weak dollar = more expensive gas. Speculation = more expensive gas. Increased world demand = more expensive gas
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It doesn't matter. Weak dollar = more expensive gas. Speculation = more expensive gas. Increased world demand = more expensive gas
When Debussey invents GBEES (Gary Buseys Endless Energy Source), all this oil - stuff will be obsolete. American and the west will get all the energy they need, and the sandFuckers will go completely broke and regress to living in the desert with the camels.
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When Debussey invents GBEES (Gary Buseys Endless Energy Source), all this oil - stuff will be obsolete. American and the west will get all the energy they need, and the sandFuckers will go completely broke and regress to living in the desert with the camels.
Apart from Dubai, most of them already do. ;D
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Apart from Dubai, most of them already do. ;D
The rich fuckers in Saudi Arabia still don't ;D When GBEES takes over, their prime source of income = thrashed. Further on, the western economies BOOMS, and the sandFuckers are back to designing poorly functioning egg timers.
GBEES will also start the revolution. It will enable the superintelligent world council, which is an elitist like Debusseys wet dream (of course, the elitist idea = a bit fucked up, since Debussey = inferior (105 pounds, 10,5 inch biceps, 53IQ), but the dream motivates nevertheless.
GBEES will also be completely un-reverseengineerable, and only Gary Buseys blessing will make it happen.
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toothpaste is already out of the tube here. you can't get all those guns back without a 50 year period of lawlessness and martial law. Do you know how many grizzled old men would sooner have a gun battle on their porch, than give up the 1911 .45 that saved their ass in Nam?
CQ, when the USA was formed, it was built in the mindset that we would be getting our hands durty in the world. 5 minutes after constitution is signed, we already had our 'manifest destiny', or plan to steal all land all the way to california. Then, we started in 1805 in Africa.
our founders knew that we'd be a bully, and a hated one at that. so they gave us the right to keep guns, to ensure that nobody will ever enter our nation. England tried it in 1776... and the minuteman - instant army - sent them packing. Happened again in 1812.
We're gangesters. we were founded by gangsters who rebeled against England, and the minute we were free, we started colonialism of our own. It's just how things are. Guns are written into it to ensure that our govt stays honest with us, and that should any chinese or iraqi or russian army come into our streets, they're going to get peppered with so much small arms fire, they won't want to stick around.
You are completely out of your mind. Yes, Americans are gangsters with low morals. Yes. But saying that owning guns will stop the government from becoming tyranical or stopping foreign invasions is absurd. That might have applied to the 18th Century, but it doesen't hold true anymore. Why? Because the disparity in weaponry between the government and citizens is much greater today than it was 200 years ago. In that time, both government soldiers and citizens had the same tired old musquetes. Today, citizens continue to own firearms, but the governemt has fighter jets, tanks, chemical weapons and atomic weaponry. Do you really think that if the government decides to become tyranical that owning pistols, revolvers or even assault rifles will make any difference whatsoever? The same thing applies to foreign armies: if they invade, it will be the regualr U.S army that will be able to stop them, and there isn't anything that citizens with their petty little hand guns will be able to do about it.
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The rich fuckers in Saudi Arabia still don't ;D When GBEES takes over, their prime source of income = thrashed. Further on, the western economies BOOMS, and the sandFuckers are back to designing poorly functioning egg timers.
GBEES will also start the revolution. It will enable the superintelligent world council, which is an elitist like Debusseys wet dream (of course, the elitist idea = a bit fucked up, since Debussey = inferior (105 pounds, 10,5 inch biceps, 53IQ), but the dream motivates nevertheless.
GBEES will also be completely un-reverseengineerable, and only Gary Buseys blessing will make it happen.
Gary Busey's massive penis will be the piston turning out all that power :o
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yeah but the question will then be why they turn to religious fanaticism in the first place.
usa gave them an excuse to turn to that dark side.
Muslim extremism is much older than the United States, they were slaughtering people in the name of Allah centuries before the English colonized North America. They don't need an excuse to turn to the dark side, they've been there for over 1300 years
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People are just plain fucking stupid if they don't arm themselves , period. if you love your family you should own a gun and you should get plenty of training on how to use that gun.
luck favor's the prepared and I'm not taking chances with my life.
This would hold true to some degree against a lone robber with a pistol, but you will just get killed if it is a gang armed with automatic weapons, which, I might add, is the rule among robbers and not the exception. Stop living in the 18th Century, dude. Things are not that simple nowadays.
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Gary Busey's massive penis will be the piston turning out all that power :o
The rest of the world won't benefit if you're gonna keep hogging it like this
;D
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This would hold true to some degree against a lone robber with a pistol, but you will just get killed if it is a gang armed with automatic weapons, which, I might add, is the rule among robbers and not the exception. Stop living in the 18t Century, dude. Things are not that simple nowadays.
automatic weapons? WTF? what is Seal team 6 coming for me? now some sets of circumstances you have no control over but I'd rather be armed with a slim chance than no chance at all .
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Gary Busey's massive penis will be the piston turning out all that power :o
GBEspermS (Gary Busey Energysperm Source) = the holy kryptonite.
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automatic weapons? WTF? what is Seal team 6 coming for me? now some sets of circumstances you have no control over but I'd rather be armed with a slim chance than no chance at all .
hahahahaha
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automatic weapons? WTF? what is Seal team 6 coming for me? now some sets of circumstances you have no control over but I'd rather be armed with a slim chance than no chance at all .
The US Navy supports Ronnie Coleman over Dorian Yates and is planning on taking you out.
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The US Navy supports Ronnie Coleman over Dorian Yates and is planning on taking you out.
" From my cold dead hands " lol
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The US Navy supports Ronnie Coleman over Dorian Yates and is planning on taking you out.
Analogous to ND getting raped by the Colemanites, yet the fucker refuses to back down!
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Analogous to ND getting raped by the Colemanites, yet the fucker refuses to back down!
Raped? their own hero agrees with me lol now how's that for a fucking? ;)
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Analogous to ND getting raped by the Colemanites, yet the fucker refuses to back down!
I don't think he'll be a match for Pumpster, Hulkster and a team of Seals.
England_1 will try and help but pumpster will strangle him with a bowflex cable
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I don't he'll be a match for Pumpster, Hulkster and a team of Seals.
England_1 will try and help but pumpster will strangle him with a bowflex cable
LOL!
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I don't he'll be a match for Pumpster, Hulkster and a team of Seals.
England_1 will try and help but pumpster will strangle him with a bowflex cable
lmfao raped by ' power-rods '
Team Power-rod. !! >:(
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Raped? their own hero agrees with me lol now how's that for a fucking? ;)
what are u talking abt ???
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what are u talking abt ???
Ronnie agrees with me that he could never beat Yates !
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You are completely out of your mind. Yes, Americans are gangsters with low morals. Yes. But saying that owning guns will stop the government from becoming tyranical or stopping foreign invasions is absurd. That might have applied to the 18th Century, but it doesen't hold true anymore. Why? Because the disparity in weaponry between the government and citizens is much greater today than it was 200 years ago. In that time, both government soldiers and citizens had the same tired old musquetes. Today, citizens continue to own firearms, but the governemt has fighter jets, tanks, chemical weapons and atomic weaponry. Do you really think that if the government decides to become tyranical that owning pistols, revolvers or even assault rifles will make any difference whatsoever? The same thing applies to foreign armies: if they invade, it will be the regualr U.S army that will be able to stop them, and there isn't anything that citizens with their petty little hand guns will be able to do about it.
the govt would never do it. because the messy times that ensue would crash the economy anyway. things are very iffy now, with the dollar weak, and other nations getting awfully competitive. you think they want to declare martial law and shut down the economy? thats the LAST thing they want.
The conspiracy people who are always preaching the end of the world, they forget about this. Shutting down society for reasons of control would only lead to losing control. Right now, they have us all going to work, paying them our 20-35% of our toils, and pyaing anything for gas that they want, plus the borrowing power form china that comes with having 200 mil people workforce consitstently spending.
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automatic weapons? WTF? what is Seal team 6 coming for me? now some sets of circumstances you have no control over but I'd rather be armed with a slim chance than no chance at all .
Do you really think a lone robber with a pistol is the rule in assaults? No, the rule is several guys with heavy weapons, and they have the surprise factor in their side. Put yourself in a robber's shoe. Would you assault all by yourself with a gun places where you know there will be armed security personnel, and that they will likely shoot back since you are alone? Of course not. You will create a gang. Most robbers assault in gangs. Very few property robbers assault alone and with pistols/revolvers, but do it in gangs and with heavy weaponry, meaning that an armed citizen will likely get killed if he resists an attempt to rob him. As ridiculous as the premisse of owning guns for self-defense it, it is even more ridiculous to own them to stop the government from becoming tyrannical. This is an 18th Century American fantasy with no grounds in reality.
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the govt would never do it. because the messy times that ensue would crash the economy anyway. things are very iffy now, with the dollar weak, and other nations getting awfully competitive. you think they want to declare martial law and shut down the economy? thats the LAST thing they want.
The conspiracy people who are always preaching the end of the world, they forget about this. Shutting down society for reasons of control would only lead to losing control. Right now, they have us all going to work, paying them our 20-35% of our toils, and pyaing anything for gas that they want, plus the borrowing power form china that comes with having 200 mil people workforce consitstently spending.
You are talking two different issues here. That the government will not become tyrannical for economic reasons does not mean that it won't because it fears the armed citizenry with their petty hand guns(considering they have tanks, jet fighters, nuclear weapons, etc).
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You are talking two different issues here. That the government will not become tyrannical for economic reasons does not mean that it won't because it fears the armed citizenry with their petty hand guns(considering they have tanks, jet fighters, nuclear weapons, etc).
well, if all we're talking about is if they 'fear' us or not, well, that's kinda a waste of time trying to examine whats in their heads.
realistically, any recession society that enacts martial law will face a huge depression and currency devaluation, something that would bankrupt the place. Will never happen.
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Do you really think a lone robber with a pistol is the rule in assaults? No, the rule is several guys with heavy weapons, and they have the surprise factor in their side. Put yourself in a robber's shoe. Would you assault all by yourself with a gun places where you know there will be armed security personnel, and that they will likely shoot back since you are alone? Of course not. You will create a gang. Most robbers assault in gangs. Very few property robbers assault alone and with pistols/revolvers, but do it in gangs and with heavy weaponry, meaning that an armed citizen will likely get killed if he resists an attempt to rob him. As ridiculous as the premisse of owning guns for self-defense it, it is even more ridiculous to own them to stop the government from becoming tyrannical. This is an 18th Century American fantasy with no grounds in reality.
Its not ridiculous to own guns for self defense again if you think so you don't know the facts ( see the links I posted ) and the premise of stopping a Government from becoming tyrannical is outdated I agree because they have more guns lol
and again I'd rather have a gun to somewhat level the playing field than NO gun at all because in the end you're at the will of someone else's desires and again who is this gang of people coming for me with automatic weapons?
and here is a perfect example of an armed citizen using a firearm in self defense in their home granted it wasn't Seal Team 6 but without that firearm the story would have been much different
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Iraq is not an American colony any more than South Korea is. Nobody wants to stay there any longer than they have to.
Plus this oil nonsense reasoning for the American presence in Iraq is getting tiring. The Iraqis are not paying the US government at all for the huge expense the Americans took on for liberating that country. That and in case you haven't noticed gas is really expensive now. If Iraq is (was) about oil, then they sure are doing a piss poor job of delivering that oil.
With america having built 50 american military bases in Iraq as well as the largest embassy in the world does it sound like america is not trying to have Iraq as a COLONY??? Does it sound like america is trying to leave? With recent request to have permanent control over the Iraqi air space, shipping ports and commercial airline does it not sound like america is making Iraq a Colony??? Sounds like it to me...
Second america DID NOT LIBERATE IRAQ or any nation for that matter...This was OUT AND OUT ASSAULT AND DESTRUCTION OF A SOVEREIGN UN NATION FOR THE SAKE OF ITS RESOURCES!!!!!! It is no different than the way Hawaii became a "state" of america, it is no different than the LIES told about why america went to war with Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Burma and now supporting war with Somalia and is trying to engage war with Iran. All of these things happened on the heel of american LIES and all for the sake of GREED and the desire to CONTROL THE WORLDS OIL AND NATURAL RESOURCES.
So far a PAYING AMERICA for destroying its nation...Why would Iraq pay america to destroy and demoralize its nation as it has? Are you stupid? Well I know the answer to that...or are you another BRAINWASHED AMERICAN SOLDIER?
So far as gas prices go...clearly you are not aware of the nation you call america...gas has not gone up...the value of the US dollar has gone DOWN!!!! and becasue of this the cost of everythig is RISING. Gas, Food, Clothing, Cars..EVERYTHING in america is rising to match the falling dollar value. The government of america is doing it in stages as opposed to raising everything all at once this way the shock is not too bad. The prices will continue to rise as the dollar finally tanks and you will then get off of your HIGH HORSE OF IGNORANCE and come to know what america is really all about.
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CigMan,
you're walking thru park with wife and baby and you are surrounded by group of 4 men.
They intened to rob you, donkey punch your wife, play a little hockey using your kid as the puck, and perhaps cornhole you with a baseball bat for amusement.
Do you fistfight four men? Do you pray someone hears you being sodomized with the Lousiville Slugger and calls 911? Or do you just lay there and wait for them to be done, hoping they don't choose to slit throats when all is said and done?
However rare, violent crime does hit innocent ppl when they least expect it. In the USA, you could produce a weapon, tell the perps to get the F back, and you get home by dinnertime.
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CigMan,
you're walking thru park with wife and baby and you are surrounded by group of 4 men.
They intened to rob you, donkey punch your wife, play a little hockey using your kid as the puck, and perhaps cornhole you with a baseball bat for amusement.
Do you fistfight four men? Do you pray someone hears you being sodomized with the Lousiville Slugger and calls 911? Or do you just lay there and wait for them to be done, hoping they don't choose to slit throats when all is said and done?
However rare, violent crime does hit innocent ppl when they least expect it. In the USA, you could produce a weapon, tell the perps to get the F back, and you get home by dinnertime.
Depends if its Seal Team 6 in the park with automatic weapons lol
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Second america DID NOT LIBERATE IRAQ or any nation for that matter...This was OUT AND OUT ASSAULT AND DESTRUCTION OF A SOVEREIGN NATION .
Yes it was. The USA can spin it how they like - it was an illegal invasion of a nation. Iraq has never in history invaded the USA.The WMD is a lie as we know. People just hearing the spin may see it differently, but one nation invaded another and killed many people. There is nothing moral or nice about that, and is why the US is viewed negatively and there are protests hundreds of thousands deep and effigies of Bush burned worldwide. Amazing, invade a nation unprovoked and honestly think billions worldwide don't like you as "they are jealous".
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Yes it was. The USA can spin it how they like - it was an illegal invasion of a nation. Iraq has never in history invaded the USA.The WMD is a lie as we know. People just hearing the spin may see it differently, but one nation invaded another and killed many people. There is nothing moral or nice about that, and is why the US is viewed negatively and there are protests hundreds of thousands deep and effigies of Bush burned worldwide. Amazing, invade a nation unprovoked and honestly think billions worldwide don't like you as "they are jealous".
Right they got no declaration of war from Congress , they war is illegal and I always maintained we should have never invaded .
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CigMan,
you're walking thru park with wife and baby and you are surrounded by group of 4 men.
They intened to rob you, donkey punch your wife, play a little hockey using your kid as the puck, and perhaps cornhole you with a baseball bat for amusement.
Do you fistfight four men? Do you pray someone hears you being sodomized with the Lousiville Slugger and calls 911? Or do you just lay there and wait for them to be done, hoping they don't choose to slit throats when all is said and done?
However rare, violent crime does hit innocent ppl when they least expect it. In the USA, you could produce a weapon, tell the perps to get the F back, and you get home by dinnertime.
I'm tempted to post the picture of you with your glock lol ;)
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I'm tempted to post the picture of you with your glock lol ;)
;)
On the serious note Glock is the gun you want when shit hits the fan .
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post away. damn, i was chubby back then!
if you and your family were being attacked in the park, I would come and help you.
now, how about a more recent pic in more pleasant surroundings?
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post away. damn, i was chubby back then!
if you and your family were being attacked in the park, I would come and help you.
now, how about a more recent pic in more pleasant surroundings?
What other guns do you own Rob?
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we didn't take out bin laden in 1998, in 2001, or in 2005. At each of those time, we had him in sight and he was allowed to escape.
Bin Laden is an ameriacn CIA agent...Why the hell no one seems to know or remember this FACT is beyond me. Bin Laden was sent in to Afghanistan in the 80s by the CIA in order to train the Taliban to fight the invading Russians; their base of operation was called Al Qaeda. This war with Russia raged on for years until Russia's defeat where Bin Laden an the Taliban were made into HEROS. Now thanks to the american CONTROL DEMOLITION of the UNWANTED WORLD TRADE CENTER the now DEAD Bin Laden is being used as the "GHOST" along with the Taliban to justify attacking Iraq and Afghansitan for its natural resources under the guise of TERRORISM. People need to do their research.
you see, a living boogeyman is very good for war propaganda purposes. Most people on the street can't tell you about the true geopolitical reasons for invading afghanistan, iran, or iraq... but they know "that #$&*^* (*@&! Bin Laden".
YES A TRUE BOOGEYMAN is what the now DEAD BIN LADEN has been. He has been the excuse for the WICKEDNESS of america to transpire around the world. Bin Laden has been a SELL OUT to the Saudi People from which he comes. A good movie to watch is SYRIANNA..which details how the american government gets people from other nations to sell out their countries for TRINKETS for the sake of america gaining total control over their nations resources...that's what and who Bin Laden is...A SELL OUT TO SAUDI ARABIA
Without external threats, their agenda would lose domestic support. You know, kinda like how if a bouncer hasn't broken up a fight in 3 weeks, he STARTS one? Job security...
You hit this one RIGHT ON THE HEAD...Truly this is americas MODUS OPERANDI...It needs or wants another nations natural resources so it creates these false flag situations then creates the solution to the problem it created...SHAMEFUL BASTARD NATION THAT AMERICA IS...ITS END IS NEAR!!!
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Right they got no declaration of war from Congress , they war is illegal and I always maintained we should have never invaded .
Thing being IMO congress or not, one nation should not sit around and decide to invade another - with no UN consent, no prior attack, and no world support.
Imagine if China, with their immense strength, troop numbers being 4/5 times the USA decides to "liberate" the USA from Bush and invades. Or Russia decides to invade Canada. The Suads decide to kick UK's ass. Thank god the US is the only nation with a strong military that decided to bumrush other nations and invade as they just feel like it, as if others acted like that we would have WWIII and all be nuked to death while argueing on getbig.
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Thing being IMO congress or not, one nation should not sit around and decide to invade another - with no UN consent, no prior attack, and no world support.
Imagine if China, with their immense strength, troop numbers being 4/5 times the USA decides to "liberate" the USA from Bush and invades. Or Russia decides to invade Canada. The Suads decide to kick UK's ass. Thank god the US is the only nation with a strong military that decided to bumrush other nations and invade as they just feel like it, as if others acted like that we would have WWIII and all be nuked to death while argueing on getbig.
I agree !
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good post samson.
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...there are 6 billion people on this planet, 5.9 billion think McCain is the wrong choice.
So what? McCain isn't running for "world president", he's running for president of the United States. So, unless you're a US citizen, you really don't have a say in the matter.
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I always vote for the old white guy.
We had a black mayor in New York, once. It was a disaster.
All he ever did was play tennis and sweat; meanwhile, the city went to hell.
For the last 16 years we've had nothing buy old white mayors and it's been great.
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we disagree there, samson - i don't think the end is near for USA. yes, a currency devaluation is near.. we've been overvalued and it's leveling out. But end of the world scenario? nope. Too much of the world runs thru the US for this to happen. US economy goes, guess what--- china loses half of their value instantly.
It's in everyone's interest for the US to survive. Countries would be sending us bailout $ is crap ever did hit the fan.
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Obama is the future. He will be president and save the country.
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we disagree there, samson - i don't think the end is near for USA. yes, a currency devaluation is near.. we've been overvalued and it's leveling out. But end of the world scenario? nope. Too much of the world runs thru the US for this to happen. US economy goes, guess what--- china loses half of their value instantly.
It's in everyone's interest for the US to survive. Countries would be sending us bailout $ is crap ever did hit the fan.
Exactly. 240 brings the brainpower.
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we disagree there, samson - i don't think the end is near for USA. yes, a currency devaluation is near.. we've been overvalued and it's leveling out. But end of the world scenario? nope. Too much of the world runs thru the US for this to happen. US economy goes, guess what--- china loses half of their value instantly.
It's in everyone's interest for the US to survive. Countries would be sending us bailout $ is crap ever did hit the fan.
TAH TAH TAH 240...
No one needs america anymore...at this stage america has little to no value to any nation anymore. It is a BORROWING nation that produces NOTHING. China is america ATM machine and from the looks of things CHINA is about to shut down operations. It (China) is about to DUMP 1.3 TRILLION AMERICAN DOLLARS...that will be the instantaneous end of america. All Middle Eastern countries are dropping the dollar for EUROS, many South American countries are or have dropped the dollar for EUROS or their own currencies, Russia is about to drop the dollar and Europeans are now demanding payment form tourist in EUROS. With america now a PARASITE on the worlds back it is about that time that the other nations pull their wealth from america, stop doing business with america and let america survive on its own merits, which means it will collapse. I hate to give a GLOOM report like that, but that are the facts. So far as being TOO invested in america??? That is not the case. Just like the housing market... it is better to walk away from a house which no longer has value than to continue sinking money into it only to NOT be able to retrieve any of it later on. That is the mindset of other nations doing business with america. They have drawn the line with america now... Financial collapse is so imminent a person can smell it. In 1929 people though NOTHING WILL EVER HAPPEN TO AMERICA...THNGS ARE GOING SO GOOD...AND THEN....
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TAH TAH TAH 240...
No one needs america anymore...at this stage america has little to no value to any nation anymore. It is a BORROWING nation that produces NOTHING. China is america ATM machine and from the looks of things CHINA is about to shut down operations. It (China) is about to DUMP 1.3 TRILLION AMERICAN DOLLARS...that will be the instantaneous end of america. All Middle Eastern countries are dropping the dollar for EUROS, many South American countries are or have dropped the dollar for EUROS or their own currencies, Russia is about to drop the dollar and Europeans are now demanding payment form tourist in EUROS. With america now a PARASITE on the worlds back it is about that time that the other nations pull their wealth from america, stop doing business with america and let america survive on its own merits, which means it will collapse. I hate to give a GLOOM report like that, but that are the facts. So far as being TOO invested in america??? That is not the case. Just like the housing market... it is better to walk away from a house which no longer has value than to continue sinking money into it only to NOT be able to retrieve any of it later on. That is the mindset of other nations doing business with america. They have drawn the line with america now... Financial collapse is so imminent a person can smell it. In 1929 people though NOTHING WILL EVER HAPPEN TO AMERICA...THNGS ARE GOING SO GOOD...AND THEN....
85IQ SAMSON brings the "truth" again ;D
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85IQ SAMSON brings the "truth" again ;D
TRY 140 IQ...You can only dream of it.
By the way...Have you done some reading lately...I hae some interesting non-white books for you to indulge in.
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Samson has a flair for the dramatic, some parts ring very true however the US will never crash, not even close.
The borrowing is more widespread than people seem to discuss, they only focus in China as they are the main bankrollers but they are borrowing from more nations than that. This drastically reduces their perceived world positioning. Not to oversimply matters, but it is hard to credibily play the big man around town when everyone knows your borrowing like crazy. Lord over China about their civil right on Monday but still ask to borrow a quick billion on Tuesday ::)
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People from other countries who bash America do so to reimburse their own inferiority and miserable defects.
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TRY 140 IQ...You can only dream of it.
By the way...Have you done some reading lately...I hae some interesting non-white books for you to indulge in.
Gayer than believing that an 140 IQ is "very very high". It = in the 0,4% top percentile, not that big of a deal.
And of course, you are a fucking liar, so you having an IQ of 140 is not very likely. But even if you did, its nothing to brag home about.
Debusseys IQ = 53 :-*
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With america having built 50 american military bases in Iraq as well as the largest embassy in the world does it sound like america is not trying to have Iraq as a COLONY??? Does it sound like america is trying to leave? With recent request to have permanent control over the Iraqi air space, shipping ports and commercial airline does it not sound like america is making Iraq a Colony??? Sounds like it to me...
Sorry where are the American settlers? Why are the Americans not collecting taxes from the Iraqi population? Without those two factors you do not have a colony. America did the same thing with Germany and Japan that they are doing now in Iraq, and they still have a military presence in Germany and Japan. Do you consider those countries American colonies?
Second america DID NOT LIBERATE IRAQ or any nation for that matter...This was OUT AND OUT ASSAULT AND DESTRUCTION OF A SOVEREIGN UN NATION FOR THE SAKE OF ITS RESOURCES!!!!!! It is no different than the way Hawaii became a "state" of america, it is no different than the LIES told about why america went to war with Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Burma and now supporting war with Somalia and is trying to engage war with Iran. All of these things happened on the heel of american LIES and all for the sake of GREED and the desire to CONTROL THE WORLDS OIL AND NATURAL RESOURCES.
Countries run by genocidal maniacs are not "sovereign", that's like saying the Third Reich was "sovereign", just because somebody runs a country doesn't mean they should.
If America is so concerned about gaining resources why aren't they drilling for the untold billions of barrels of oil in its own backyard? And where is all this oil? I don't see any oil, the Americans are completely footing the bill for the Iraqi reconstruction by themselves, and the Iraqi's have no intention of paying them back. Some war for oil.
Americans went to war with Japan because of lies? Really? I could have sworn that the Japanese bombed the shit out of Pearl Harbor. Must have been a Rovian plot in cahoots with the Zionist overlords.
So far a PAYING AMERICA for destroying its nation...Why would Iraq pay america to destroy and demoralize its nation as it has? Are you stupid? Well I know the answer to that...or are you another BRAINWASHED AMERICAN SOLDIER?
Iraq is better off now than it ever was, your talking points are at least 3 years old, get with the times.
I'm not saying they should pay for it, I'm saying that the Americans are not only NOT taking any resources but they are spending billions of dollars on a reconstruction that they will likely never get compensated for.
No I'm not a solider.
So far as gas prices go...clearly you are not aware of the nation you call america...gas has not gone up...the value of the US dollar has gone DOWN!!!! and becasue of this the cost of everythig is RISING. Gas, Food, Clothing, Cars..EVERYTHING in america is rising to match the falling dollar value.
Gas and food is going up EVERYWHERE, not just in America. Demand from oil from developing countries such as China and India is skyrocketing, and the supply can't keep up. Basically their isn't enough of the stuff to go around so the price of oil goes up. There's no conspiracy about it, America has no control over the price of oil.
The rise in prices of commodities and luxury items are all related to rising energy prices. Higher energy cost raises the cost of manufacturing and transportation which is then passed off to the consumer.
The weak dollar is a result of a huge trade imbalance and huge increases in spending. America is become more and more of a debtor nation which diminishes its purchasing power. It's just like if you get yourself in heavy debt and ruin your credit score, your purchasing power goes down, you get unfavorable interest rates, and your ability to get loans diminishes.
The government of america is doing it in stages as opposed to raising everything all at once this way the shock is not too bad. The prices will continue to rise as the dollar finally tanks and you will then get off of your HIGH HORSE OF IGNORANCE and come to know what america is really all about.
Doing what in stages? What raising the prices? Do you honestly think the US government controls the price of goods and services? And your calling me ignorant?
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People from other countries who bash America do so to reimburse their own inferiority and miserable defects.
Just me personally, I would be far more miserable if I had to pay income tax then on top lose my free health and college benefits as that would affect my lifestyle negatively. If I was getting stung with taxes, college fees and health insurance payments I might be too poor to bumrush American malls with my debit card in hand as I love to do. Shoes belong in my closet, not on a shelf :D
Said it earlier, the illegal invasion, occupation and killing of citizens of a nation caused the dislike. Basic point really.
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Said it earlier, the illegal invasion, occupation and killing of citizens of a nation caused the dislike. Basic point really.
Yes, because nobody hated American before the Iraq war.
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Do you really think a lone robber with a pistol is the rule in assaults? No, the rule is several guys with heavy weapons, and they have the surprise factor in their side. Put yourself in a robber's shoe. Would you assault all by yourself with a gun places where you know there will be armed security personnel, and that they will likely shoot back since you are alone? Of course not. You will create a gang. Most robbers assault in gangs. Very few property robbers assault alone and with pistols/revolvers, but do it in gangs and with heavy weaponry, meaning that an armed citizen will likely get killed if he resists an attempt to rob him. As ridiculous as the premisse of owning guns for self-defense it, it is even more ridiculous to own them to stop the government from becoming tyrannical. This is an 18th Century American fantasy with no grounds in reality.
240 forgets how successful the Whiskey Rebellion was when it comes to armed citizens vs. federal troops. :)
In every single instance where armed civilians decided to take on the Government, they were stopped or completely crushed. Even when weapons were matched.
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Both sides of the arguments here makes some valid well thought out points. Personaly I don't care for either canidiate all that much, but I'll be damned if I would throw my vote towards Obama...perhaps one of the most unAmerican candidates for president in our contries history IMO.
What's so bad about big government?
Small government does indeed mean more personal liberty for middle class Americans, but it also means:
-poor public school systems
-poor social welfare
-a homelessness rate to rival any third world country
-rampant crime
-most working class people living one paycheque away from destitution
-most middle class people living one diagnosis away from destitution
The Luke
It goes against the very ideas that this nation was founded on. The type of rule (government) you speak of neglects the principles this country has thrived on for over 200years. As many people on this board are obviously labeled “liberal thinkers, then perhaps a counter argument for them would best come from one of the fathers of liberal thinking John Locke. Many of Locke’s thoughts and ideas were what helped the founding fathers of this nation base their beliefs.
With the type of government you speak of, what belongs to a mans own person in fact does not. Granted, by your logic every man should have the same fruits that his neighbor has, but IMO, all though that would be nice, what is proper is that all man should have the fruits of his own labour not of his neighbor. “every man has property in his own person; this nobody has any right to but himself. The labor of his body and the work of his hands, we may say, are properly his.” (Locke 1690: 17)
A socialist revolution in the US might be the only thing that can save it... unfortunately, the people who have been indoctrinated into believing the American Dream dismiss proven socialist policy without even being able to articulate why they disagree.
The Luke
I would rather strive for my own taste of the American dream and fall flat on my face then to have a small portion handed to me just because I exist. This is what being an American is about. Taking hold of your own life, being the deciding factor on your own success or failure.
That is unfortunate because it clearly demonstrates he does not understand the principles by which this nation was founded. It is not the fear of finding something incriminating that people find this type of governmental intrusion alarming but the principle that we have protection against unlawful search and seizure. In short, they shouldn't be looking in the first place and if you provide them with that type of access how far will they take it. Truthfully its a slippery slope argument but I wouldn't want to test it practically….. They are clearly being manipulated probably by fear.
You’re absolutely correct. This type of thinking this slippery slope you speak of only opens the door for future problems.
I don't base shit on religion. I'm an atheist, moron. ::)
I vote Republican based on my political philosophy (smaller government, individual liberty, individual responsibility).
Although I am far from an atheist, I agree with you 100%. Most who fall into the republican camp, contrary to what many believe, do not base their vote solely on religion. Granted, in many cases it is their faith that prevents them from voting on the other side…but most would not vote that side in the first place…not when the other side basis it’s platform against individual responsibility.
If you don't want gas prices to keep on soaring then we need to stop being dependant on other countries oil besides, local and state taxes are major reason why gas increasing. Even though oil companies are making shitload, the profit margin is only about 3-4%. I heard today that in England local gas tax is something 58%.
You’re right, we should be less dependant on other countries. What’s mind boggling is that for years we’ve tried to be. Love them or hate them, the current administration has brought forth to congress bills that would allow us to drill in Alaska, Utah and in the Gulf of Mexico repeatedly. Approval in just one of those areas would make America oil dependant. But every time it is rejected, simply due to concerns brought forth by the far left. These concerns have nothing to do with economics…they are simply ideological quams.
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240 forgets how successful the Whiskey Rebellion was when it comes to armed citizens vs. federal troops. :)
In every single instance where armed civilians decided to take on the Government, they were stopped or completely crushed. Even when weapons were matched.
The Whiskey Rebellion was crushed by a militia which was led by Washington and was about the size of the Revolutionary Army (roughly 13,000). There was no battle because the rebels never showed up. Not really a good example Adonis.
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The Whiskey Rebellion was crushed by a militia which was led by Washington and was about the size of the Revolutionary Army (roughly 13,000). There was no battle because the rebels never showed up. Not really a good example Adonis.
Exactly my point.
There will never be a showdown between the Federal Government and armed civilians that will prove to be of any success. The citizens who think the guns will ensure their defense from a tyrannical government suffer from either action movie syndrome or are riding the roller coaster to fantasy land.
I do think citizens should keep their arms as they are really not that harmful. They do provide a decent level of protection even if they aren`t discharged. Proper education on firearms is a must and everyone purchasing a new firearm should have to take extensive courses.
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Exactly my point.
There will never be a showdown between the Federal Government and armed civilians that will prove to be of any success. The citizens who think the guns will ensure their defense from a tyrannical government suffer from either action movie syndrome or are riding the roller coaster to fantasy land.
I do think citizens should keep their arms as they are really not that harmful. They do provide a decent level of protection even if they aren`t discharged. Proper education on firearms is a must and everyone purchasing a new firearm should have to take extensive courses.
Might I also add, with more social reform, crime lessens, people using firearms to commit crimes dramatically decreases. The solution to gun control is to provide more equality and freedom via government reform and educational opportunity. Universities should not be treated like a business and should be completely free to any citizen willing to attend. This was George Washington`s final dream. Such an insult that his dream was abandoned and has been for so long. There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness.-George Washington
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There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness.-George Washington
Debussey can not agree more :o :D
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Exactly my point.
There will never be a showdown between the Federal Government and armed civilians that will prove to be of any success. The citizens who think the guns will ensure their defense from a tyrannical government suffer from either action movie syndrome or are riding the roller coaster to fantasy land.
I do think citizens should keep their arms as they are really not that harmful. They do provide a decent level of protection even if they aren`t discharged. Proper education on firearms is a must and everyone purchasing a new firearm should have to take extensive courses.
That is totally not true, 200 million firearms in the hands of as many people would be quite a headache for any tyrant or invading army here in the US.
Just look at the problems the Americans had with the insurgent in Iraq, nothing more than peasants with AK-47's and remote controlled dynamite. The Soviet-Afghan war is also another excellent example of how a population armed with little more than small arms can hold back and actually defeat a modern army.
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That is totally not true, 200 million firearms in the hands of as many people would be quite a headache for any tyrant or invading army here in the US.
Just look at the problems the Americans had with the insurgent in Iraq, nothing more than peasants with AK-47's and remote controlled dynamite. The Soviet-Afghan war is also another excellent example of how a population armed with little more than small arms can hold back and actually defeat a modern army.
That won't last long, as technology improves.
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ADAM ABELES YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER. YOU MAY BE RIGHT, YOU MAY BE WRONG, YOU MIGHT HAVE THE KEY TO UNLOCK THE UNIVERSE HIDDEN IN YOUR POLITICAL THEORY...BUT GUESS WHAT ??? IT DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER! NO ONE IN POWER GIVES A SHIT. YOU HAVE NO POWER. YOU WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING BY SPENDING AN ENTIRE DAY INFORMING A BUNCH OF BODYBUILDERS OF WHAT YOU THINK IS THE CORRECT WAY TO GOVERN.
SO SHUT THE FUCK UP
HOPE THIS HELPS
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ADAM ABELES YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER. YOU MAY BE RIGHT, YOU MAY BE WRONG, YOU MIGHT HAVE THE KEY TO UNLOCK THE UNIVERSE HIDDEN IN YOUR POLITICAL THEORY...BUT GUESS WHAT ??? IT DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER! NO ONE IN POWER GIVES A SHIT. YOU HAVE NO POWER. YOU WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING BY SPENDING AN ENTIRE DAY INFORMING A BUNCH OF BODYBUILDERS OF WHAT YOU THINK IS THE CORRECT WAY TO GOVERN.
SO SHUT THE FUCK UP
HOPE THIS HELPS
CandiDildo trying to put happenings on Getbig in a greater context.
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CandiDildo trying to put happenings on Getbig in a greater context.
EITHER HE IS RETARDED, OR HE IS JUST TRYING TO IMPRESS US WITH HIS "KNOWLEDGE" ... HOPING SOMEONE WILL TELL HIM " OH MY GOD TRUE ADONIS YOU ARE JEEENYUS ! I BOW TO YOU ! " ;D HAHAH. EPIC INSECURITY ABOUT HIS SMARTS
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Might I also add, with more social reform, crime lessens, people using firearms to commit crimes dramatically decreases. The solution to gun control is to provide more equality and freedom via government reform and educational opportunity.
Social reform and crime lessons are useless when dealing with a whole generation of people that are raised to worship prison culture.
Universities should not be treated like a business and should be completely free to any citizen willing to attend. This was George Washington`s final dream. Such an insult that his dream was abandoned and has been for so long.
Where I'm from you can attend a University for free, there is a problem with that system though. When you don't charge for a college education you create unlimited demand for it. Government being the inefficient bureaucratic monster that it is cannot match the supply for this huge demand so it has to either:
1. Make it so only the top 25-50% of students actually pass entry exams
2. Lower the standard for which professors are hired in order to meet supply requirements, therefore lowering quality
Either way only the top performers attend college, just like with the Universities that are run like businesses.
There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness.-George Washington
It's a shame most Americans never have and never will know the greatness of this man. It will take a lot of change to bring his dream to reality. The government has failed our children miserably, school choice must become a reality. The ability to choose where you send your children to school cannot be just a luxury of the wealthy anymore.
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EITHER HE IS RETARDED, OR HE IS JUST TRYING TO IMPRESS US WITH HIS "KNOWLEDGE" ... HOPING SOMEONE WILL TELL HIM " OH MY GOD TRUE ADONIS YOU ARE JEEENYUS ! I BOW TO YOU ! " ;D HAHAH. EPIC INSECURITY ABOUT HIS SMARTS
Adonix = funny and intelligent.
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Adonix = funny and intelligent.
thats what he is desperately trying to project debussey. your smart enough to be able to evaluate this characters motivations and personality... take a look at his posts and try to objectively sort through this guys head on your own.. youll see what im saying... just imagine your frued :P
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thats what he is desperately trying to project debussey. your smart enough to be able to evaluate this characters motivations and personality... take a look at his posts and try to objectively sort this guys head on your onw.. youll see what im saying... just imagine your frued :P
Debussey sees a guy (Adonix) that = having fun. He = very clever, and part of teh cleverness is that he makes people take him too seriously :)
Ps: For you as well: Did you know that 0,9999999999999999999999999-> to infinity = 1 ?
:D
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Debussey sees a guy (Adonix) that = having fun. He = very clever, and part of teh cleverness is that he makes people take him too seriously :)
Ps: For you as well: Did you know that 0,9999999999999999999999999-> to infinity = 1 ?
:D
okay debuss, if thats your evaluation thats cool. i disagree. but im retarded so what does that matter.
.999 to infinity will NEVER be 1. :)
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okay debuss, if thats your evaluation thats cool. i disagree. but im retarded so what does that matter.
.999 to infinity will NEVER be 1. :)
It actually is, and it is a proven concept in mathematics.
proof:
1/3 = 0,33333333333333333333333333333333333333333 (to infinity)
3 * (1/3) = 0,3333333333333333 (to infinity) * 3
1 = 0,9999999999999999999999999999999999999 (to infinity)
= that 0,999999999999999 (to infinity) equals 1 = proven.
There are many other proofs for this as well
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It actually is, and it is a proven concept in mathematics.
proof:
1/3 = 0,33333333333333333333333333333333333333333 (to infinity)
3 * (1/3) = 0,3333333333333333 (to infinity) * 3
1 = 0,9999999999999999999999999999999999999 (to infinity)
= that 0,999999999999999 (to infinity) equals 1 = proven.
There are many other proofs for this as well
no but thats incorrect anyways... ... there is no such thing as "1/3"... there is no number that encapsulates it... it has to stay a fraction to remain accurate.... :)
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thanks Bodvar - all good points
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no but thats incorrect anyways... ... there is no such thing as "1/3"... there is no number that encapsulates it... it has to stay a fraction to remain accurate.... :)
You want other proofs?
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You want other proofs?
lol !
you can not right 1 as a deccimal in any other way that 1.0 .... .9999999 (infinity) will also be just short of 1 ..... just like .33333 (infinity) will always be just short of 1/3 ... :)
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lol !
you can not right 1 as a deccimal in any other way that 1.0 .... .9999999 (infinity) will also be just short of 1 ..... just like .33333 (infinity) will always be just short of 1/3 ... :)
You are still trying to figure out this "intuitively", but all the proofs in the world says otherwise.
But do not worry, many beginning math students think the same.
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You are still trying to figure out this "intuitively", but all the proofs in the world says otherwise.
But do not worry, many beginning math students think the same.
i will admit i am no einstein when it comes to mathematics ;D
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i will admit i am no einstein when it comes to mathematics ;D
Here is another proof for you
c = 0,999999999999999999-> to infinity
10c = 9,99999999999999999999999999
10c - c = 9,9999..... - 0,99999999999999999......
9c = 9
c = 1
0,9999....... = 1
Try to disprove this one, even with intuitive thoughts ;D
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Here is another proof for you
c = 0,999999999999999999-> to infinity
10c = 9,99999999999999999999999999 some where eventually at the end of the rainbom there is an 8 :)
10c - c = 9,9999..... - 0,99999999999999999......
9c = 9
c = 1
0,9999....... = 1
Try to disprove this one, even with intuitive thoughts ;D
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No, because then you assume that the infinite number of 9's end somewhere, which they do not. There is the main error in thinking most people have. Infinity don't have an end you fucking idiot, so there can never be "an 8th at the end" ;D
(ops, Debussey did not see that you might have been joking when you wrote your last post :P )
Now, try to disprove it another way
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No, because then you assume that the infinite number of 9's end somewhere, which they do not. There is the main error in thinking most people have. Infinity don't have an end you fucking idiot ;D
Now, try to disprove it another way
well you cant create an absolute from something hypothetical like infinity...
anyways i hate math debussey but i am OKAY at it when i try but the thing is it gives me a bad fucking head ache and i really don like head aches so heres what ill do..
i accept your second proof, but the first proof was invalid
and also
i will say, just because there is proof of a thing, does not necessarily mean there is that thing which there is proof of :D ponder that
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ADAM ABELES YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER.
You better check yourself, before you wreck yourself. ;)
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You better chikity check yourself, before you wrickety wreck yourself. ;)
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well you cant create an absolute from something hypothetical like infinity...
anyways i hate math debussey but i am OKAY at it when i try but the thing is it gives me a bad fucking head ache and i really don like head aches so heres what ill do..
i accept your second proof, but the first proof was invalid
and also
i will say, just because there is proof of a thing, does not necessarily mean there is that thing which there is proof of :D ponder that
The first proof is valid. (unless you can disprove it mathematically, or if "BabyDizzles" lack of approval = false proof :P )
Anyway, 0,99999999999................ = 1 ;D
So, are you gonna beat up Alex23? ;D
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i did disprove your first proof... you used 1/3 = .3333(infinityy) as one of your premise for your conclusion... and it was a premise that when false deny's the conclusion... you may have proof (your 2nd proof), but it your first proof was fallacious :D
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i did disprove your first proof... you used 1/3 = .3333(infinityy) as one of your premise for your conclusion... and it was a premise that when false deny's the conclusion... you may have proof (your 2nd proof), but it your first proof was fallacious :D
Are you saying that 1/3 does not equal 0,33333333333333333333333333333333333333333 -> to infinity? Are you claiming that a simple division of 1:3 gives a wrong answer?
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Are you saying that 1/3 does not equal 0,33333333333333333333333333333333333333333 -> to infinity? Are you claiming that a simple division of 1:3 gives a wrong answer?
im saying that you cannot divide 1/3 .... its not possible... infinity is not possible... unless your one of those religious types ;D
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im saying that you cannot divide 1/3 .... its not possible... infinity is not possible... unless your one of those religious types ;D
So, you disprove that 1/3 = 0,333333333 -> to infinity, because you yourself does not believe in the concept of infinity? In other words, the 3's in 0,333.... will stop somewhere according to you? :P ;D
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exactly.
like i said im no einstein when it comes to mathumatiks
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exactly.
like i said im no einstein when it comes to mathumatiks
So, because you don't believe in the concept of infinity, there will eventually come a point in the division process of 1/3 where you can not continue getting 3's because YOU yourself just "don't believe" in the concept of infinity? And therefore, based upon this belief, the proof is false?
:P
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way to eat into the center of my lack of intelligence debussey :-[
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way to eat into the center of my lack of intelligence debussey :-[
Do not get depressed. Debussey's IQ = 53, so Debussey = many times as retarded as you. Being Debussey and living with such a low IQ = not that funny :'(
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Obama is clueless. As the campaign continues, more and more voters will realize it. I suspect McCain wins by the same margin President Reagan did against Mondale. Mondale won only one state.
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Obama is clueless. As the campaign continues, more and more voters will realize it. I suspect McCain wins by the same margin President Reagan did against Mondale. Mondale won only one state.
...I think Obama is very, very smart... smart enough not to dissuade ignorant reactionary Americans by telling them exactly what he is actually going to have to do to fix America.
The Luke
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not sure if america's ready for this...but i am
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not sure if america's ready for this...but i am
...America certainly isn't ready for what's necessary:
-demilitarisation
-welfare reform
-education reform
-taxation reform
-political reform (party funding; lobbyists; election fraud)
-penal reform
-healthcare reform
Isn't it a sad irony that the best candidate in 50 years is inheriting the poison chalice of an America on the brink of collapse... seemingly nobody sees through this: Republicans cut taxes and fuck the economy, Democrats are forced to raise taxes to fix the economy, which in turn causes reactionary voters to vote Republican.
The Luke
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...America certainly isn't ready for what's necessary:
-demilitarisation
-welfare reform
-education reform
-taxation reform
-political reform (party funding; lobbyists; election fraud)
-penal reform
-healthcare reform
Isn't it a sad irony that the best candidate in 50 years is inheriting the poison chalice of an America on the brink of collapse... seemingly nobody sees through this: Republicans cut taxes and fuck the economy, Democrats are forced to raise taxes to fix the economy, which in turn causes reactionary voters to vote Republican.
The Luke
200 years to become world leader
and you guys are still fighting over potatoes
Do the math
The Moose ;)
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200 years to become world leader
and you guys are still fighting over potatoes
Do the math
The Moose ;)
...clarification?
The Luke
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Isn't it a sad irony that the best candidate in 50 years is inheriting the poison chalice of an America on the brink of collapse... seemingly nobody sees through this: Republicans cut taxes and fuck the economy, Democrats are forced to raise taxes to fix the economy, which in turn causes reactionary voters to vote Republican.
The Luke
I look at my computer and see Dell, an American company. I look at my operating system and see Windows, also an American company. Of course, some people have a MAC which is made by Apple, but, that's an American company, too. Then I do a search on the #1 search engine in the world, Google, also an American company. I open up my computer and see the name of the biggest chip processor company in the world, Intel, also an American company, and, I see the name of the biggest high end graphic card maker in the world, NVIDIA, also an American company.
For a country on the brink of collapse we seem to be pretty good with the technology thing.
In fact, of the 150 largest companies in the world approx 1/2 are American. Not bad for a country that only has 5% of the world's population.
Your statement is clearly more a matter of wishful thinking than a statement of fact.
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200 years to become world leader
and you guys are still fighting over potatoes
Do the math
The Moose ;)
Why can't you refute his points?
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not sure if america's ready for this...but i am
What the fuck? when i first started posting you were being all racist. What changed?
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I look at my computer and see Dell, an American company. I look at my operating system and see Windows, also an American company. Of course, some people have a MAC which is made by Apple, but, that's an American company, too. Then I do a search on the #1 search engine in the world, Google, also an American company. I open up my computer and see the name of the biggest chip processor company in the world, Intel, also an American company, and, I see the name of the biggest high end graphic card maker in the world, NVIDIA, also an American company.
For a country on the brink of collapse we seem to be pretty good with the technology thing.
In fact, of the 150 largest companies in the world approx 1/2 are American. Not bad for a country that only has 5% of the world's population.
Your statement is clearly more a matter of wishful thinking than a statement of fact.
Agreed.
It's hard to legitimize any argument that claims America is still not top dog on the block. The biggest argument outsiders or those inside have against America right now is the fact that the dollar is a tad bit weaker then it was a few years back...but come on, let's put it into perspective...is America really falling apart?
People clamor about our national debt, people gripe that economically we're not as powerfull as we used to be. Well is this true? I don't think so.
Which country still funds over 90% of the WOC (World Bank)? America.
Which country still spends more money then any other on goods and services? America
Which country still has one of the highest home owner rates in the world? America
As for our national debt, where does most of this lie? In the WOC and other similar institutions that we are the primary funders for...who's going to call us on that, ourselves? Doubt it.
Who still has the most powerfull military in the world? America. Some would argue against this simply because the way things have drawn out in Iraq. But seriously, think about it...anyone with half a brain knows that could be over in less then 24hrs if our military was given the green light to do so. The only reason it hasn't is because of bullshit protocol and bitching by the rest of the world. The rest of the world is still scared of our muscle, and rightfully so...and you can bet your ass anytime we flex that muscle, there is going to be crying in the streets.
A lot of people, a lot of countries hate America, and this hate is based primarily on jealousy. It's in the very nature of man to be jealous of his superior. I say who cares. Since when is what others think really all that important? Sure, some will argue that we as America need outside countries for support. Quite the contrary...we choose to let these outsiders have a taste of what we have in order to better our own lives here at home. If it came down to it, America could easily do without outside help...of course half the countries in the world would be decimated, since it is they who rely on us for financial and defense support.
Last little bit, every great country, every great empire in history has eventually fallen. True, America may one day be destined to the same fate...time will tell. But we are a far cry from this now. You may hear and read over seas that America is on the brink of oblivion, but what else would you expect? As corny as it might sound, but it is the truth, the American dream is still alive, still breathing, still kicking and holding strong. Any foreigner who doesn't believe that should come here for himself and see first hand.
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Is Obama threatening to ban "men in thongs"? Otherwise, I fail to see what this has to do with bbing.... :-\
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DOH!!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
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Is Obama threatening to ban "men in thongs"? Otherwise, I fail to see what this has to do with bbing.... :-\
No, but he has stated on numerous occasions that the use of protein powder would be deemed illegal...classified as schedule 3. He also opposes the use of pro tan :P
As much as I dislike Senator Mohamed, even if he gets elected there will not be that big of a threat to us as Americans...it's the doorway it opens up that concerns me. Presidents do not posses as much power as the general public seems to believe. The power lies within the Congress and judiciary...the bulk of it anyway.
OK, I'll stop rambling...but before I do...did I mention that although the republican side may not have the best candidate, the democrats have produced a left wing lunatic who drapes himself in a false educated class in order to persuade the ignorant herds who follow him.
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sudo 0,9999999999999 = 8 ;D
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maybe obama will give craig titus an pardon.
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He's at least 7 foot 2, lean and muscular, a heroic basketball athlete.
Look at that commanding and overpowering jump for the rebound. He must have healthy tendons and muscles, means healthy body and healthy brain/soul. Evidently he is a very decisive and clear thinker. He even stopped smoking.
(http://wylfwt.com/home/files/images/428px-BarackObama-Basketball.jpg)
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I am French
you lost the augment right there ;)
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As long as i don't lose my rights to CCW, i'm cool.
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A lot of people, a lot of countries hate America, and this hate is based primarily on jealousy. It's in the very nature of man to be jealous of his superior.
On day to day living, just finances, I get free healthcare, free college, zero income tax. As a guardian of a college age kid, this saves me $40,000+ a year. I would rather pay for college, 2 health policies and have part of my pay taken, having extra money blows ::)
People from sucky less developed nations yes would be jealous, of all us developed nations.
USA is a great nation with many benefits, and I enjoy travelling there frequently to shop. Australians per capita have higher average incomes, free healthcare and only a 25% chance than Americans do of being murdered. Europe offers great things, as does Canada, Cayman, New Zealand etc. All developed nations offer great things, that some others don't.
USA is disliked by many due to their foreign policy, and it is fascinating they do not see that. Canadians, Brits, Swiss etc do not go on about everyone being jealous, despite coming from nations that also offer great standards. Some people criticize here - it's small, boring and hot as hell and we are like we know, sorry about that lol. We don't think they are jealous, as we know its all disgustingly hot.
Only other place I see this phenomen of arrogantly asssuming all dislike as jealousy, is female bodybuilding. They gear to death, look mannish - but honestly believe people do not like them as they are jealous. Only 2 groups of people I have ever seen it from. Fascinating really.
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On day to day living, just finances, I get free healthcare, free college, zero income tax. As a guardian of a college age kid, this saves me $40,000+ a year. I would rather pay for college, 2 health policies and have part of my pay taken, having extra money blows ::)
People from sucky less developed nations yes would be jealous, of all us developed nations.
USA is a great nation with many benefits, and I enjoy travelling there frequently to shop. Australians per capita have higher average incomes, free healthcare and only a 25% chance than Americans do of being murdered. Europe offers great things, as does Canada, Cayman, New Zealand etc. All developed nations offer great things, that some others don't.
USA is disliked by many due to their foreign policy, and it is fascinating they do not see that. Canadians, Brits, Swiss etc do not go on about everyone being jealous, despite coming from nations that also offer great standards. Some people criticize here - it's small, boring and hot as hell and we are like we know, sorry about that lol. We don't think they are jealous, as we know its all disgustingly hot.
Only other place I see this phenomen of arrogantly asssuming all dislike as jealousy, is female bodybuilding. They gear to death, look mannish - but honestly believe people do not like them as they are jealous. Only 2 groups of people I have ever seen it from. Fascinating really.
yeah but your healthcare sucks. And you pay $$$ sales tax. You have to drive to the us, to buy shit. :-\ And it's cold. Canada sucks.
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This man in an Idiot and Dangerous.........
That's not what he said at all.
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yeah but your healthcare sucks. And you pay $$$ sales tax. You have to drive to the us, to buy shit. :-\ And it's cold. Canada sucks.
We have no sales tax :-\
I adore our healthcare. Free here, and larger things [operations] done wherever we want, including the US. So if ours sucks, so does yours as we get all yours free. It's kinda cool to get free travel and hotel to see the doctor, slide in vacations too on gov dollars
I said twice it was hot as hell here, last I was in Canada I froze my butt off, would not call it hot as hell :-\
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What the fuck? when i first started posting you were being all racist. What changed?
people evolve
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He's at least 7 foot 2, lean and muscular, a heroic basketball athlete.
Look at that commanding and overpowering jump for the rebound. He must have healthy tendons and muscles, means healthy body and healthy brain/soul. Evidently he is a very decisive and clear thinker. He even stopped smoking.
(http://wylfwt.com/home/files/images/428px-BarackObama-Basketball.jpg)
That's just mean.
Just to add insult to injury on McCain, he lets a picture of himself with his arms raised above his head become public.
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That's just mean.
Just to add insult to injury on McCain, he lets a picture of himself with his arms raised above his head become public.
McCain will bomb a nation of 70 million people (Iran) without even raising his hand. That's power, baby.
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We have no sales tax :-\
I adore our healthcare. Free here, and larger things [operations] done wherever we want, including the US. So if ours sucks, so does yours as we get all yours free. It's kinda cool to get free travel and hotel to see the doctor, slide in vacations too on gov dollars
I said twice it was hot as hell here, last I was in Canada I froze my butt off, would not call it hot as hell :-\
You realize that the reason your socialist policies can work is because you can benefit from the billions of dollars that American companies have poured into research and development of drugs and medical equipment? If your country had to spend that money itself, it would be bankrupt.
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I'm going to make a prediction here...
Barring Republican electronic vote rigging (a very real possibility), I'm going to predict Obama with AT LEAST 70% of the vote.
The Luke
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I'm going to make a prediction here...
Barring Republican electronic vote rigging (a very real possibility), I'm going to predict Obama with AT LEAST 70% of the vote.
The Luke
Thanks for the political analysis.
I can now sleep much calmer knowing this.
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You realize that the reason your socialist policies can work is because you can benefit from the billions of dollars that American companies have poured into research and development of drugs and medical equipment? If your country had to spend that money itself, it would be bankrupt
Wouldn't socialist be more the richer paying taxes to subsidise the poor, therefore not apply to us so much? [not sure]
Your point is valid, but the fact still remains that nationals of my country would not be jealous - which was my only point.
What weirdo here would be jealous of paying income tax and getting no healthcare? We rather like paying no income tax and getting free health.
The college we get free here and in an European nation, so one could say we are benefiting from Europe on that - we don't discriminate ;D
I am in no manner slamming the USA, said a million times I go there alot, but our standard of living afforded to us in one that simply would not invoke jealousy. Same as I would not expect an American to be 'envious' of a Canadian, Australian, Caymanian, Swiss et al as they are all nice nations offering great standards of living.
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I'm going to make a prediction here...
Barring Republican electronic vote rigging (a very real possibility), I'm going to predict Obama with AT LEAST 70% of the vote.
The Luke
LOL...oh God please. For a second.......just a second, I thought there might have been hope for you :(
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Wouldn't socialist be more the richer paying taxes to subsidise the poor, therefore not apply to us so much? [not sure]
Your point is valid, but the fact still remains that nationals of my country would not be jealous - which was my only point.
What weirdo here would be jealous of paying income tax and getting no healthcare? We rather like paying no income tax and getting free health.
The college we get free here and in an European nation, so one could say we are benefiting from Europe on that - we don't discriminate ;D
I am in no manner slamming the USA, said a million times I go there alot, but our standard of living afforded to us in one that simply would not invoke jealousy. Same as I would not expect an American to be 'envious' of a Canadian, Australian, Caymanian, Swiss et al as they are all nice nations offering great standards of living.
My point is that many socialist policies of smaller countries can leech off the capitalist policies of the United States.
You seem to think that everything should be free. The problem with that type of thinking is that NOTHING is free. I'm pretty sure you have an infrastucture where you live. That costs money in raw materials, labor and equipment. Someone has to pay for that. Same goes for healthcare. Hospitals have to be built. Doctors don't work for free. Again, someone has to pay for that.
Socialists tend to avoid these "inconvenient truths."
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Agreed.
It's hard to legitimize any argument that claims America is still not top dog on the block. The biggest argument outsiders or those inside have against America right now is the fact that the dollar is a tad bit weaker then it was a few years back...but come on, let's put it into perspective...is America really falling apart?
People clamor about our national debt, people gripe that economically we're not as powerfull as we used to be. Well is this true? I don't think so.
Which country still funds over 90% of the WOC (World Bank)? America.
Which country still spends more money then any other on goods and services? America
Which country still has one of the highest home owner rates in the world? America
As for our national debt, where does most of this lie? In the WOC and other similar institutions that we are the primary funders for...who's going to call us on that, ourselves? Doubt it.
Who still has the most powerfull military in the world? America. Some would argue against this simply because the way things have drawn out in Iraq. But seriously, think about it...anyone with half a brain knows that could be over in less then 24hrs if our military was given the green light to do so. The only reason it hasn't is because of bullshit protocol and bitching by the rest of the world. The rest of the world is still scared of our muscle, and rightfully so...and you can bet your ass anytime we flex that muscle, there is going to be crying in the streets.
A lot of people, a lot of countries hate America, and this hate is based primarily on jealousy. It's in the very nature of man to be jealous of his superior. I say who cares. Since when is what others think really all that important? Sure, some will argue that we as America need outside countries for support. Quite the contrary...we choose to let these outsiders have a taste of what we have in order to better our own lives here at home. If it came down to it, America could easily do without outside help...of course half the countries in the world would be decimated, since it is they who rely on us for financial and defense support.
Last little bit, every great country, every great empire in history has eventually fallen. True, America may one day be destined to the same fate...time will tell. But we are a far cry from this now. You may hear and read over seas that America is on the brink of oblivion, but what else would you expect? As corny as it might sound, but it is the truth, the American dream is still alive, still breathing, still kicking and holding strong. Any foreigner who doesn't believe that should come here for himself and see first hand.
Well....that is one of the best, if not the best, posts I have ever seen on here!
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On day to day living, just finances, I get free healthcare, free college, zero income tax. As a guardian of a college age kid, this saves me $40,000+ a year. I would rather pay for college, 2 health policies and have part of my pay taken, having extra money blows ::)
People from sucky less developed nations yes would be jealous, of all us developed nations.
USA is a great nation with many benefits, and I enjoy travelling there frequently to shop. Australians per capita have higher average incomes, free healthcare and only a 25% chance than Americans do of being murdered. Europe offers great things, as does Canada, Cayman, New Zealand etc. All developed nations offer great things, that some others don't.
USA is disliked by many due to their foreign policy, and it is fascinating they do not see that. Canadians, Brits, Swiss etc do not go on about everyone being jealous, despite coming from nations that also offer great standards. Some people criticize here - it's small, boring and hot as hell and we are like we know, sorry about that lol. We don't think they are jealous, as we know its all disgustingly hot.
Only other place I see this phenomen of arrogantly asssuming all dislike as jealousy, is female bodybuilding. They gear to death, look mannish - but honestly believe people do not like them as they are jealous. Only 2 groups of people I have ever seen it from. Fascinating really.
Well, I don't see how it is 'free'...its gotta be paid for somehow, someway....Taxes?
What kind of docs work for nothing?
Not very good ones.
I would never, ever seek healthcare outside of New England...the world apex of quality healthcare.
Moosejay approved
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McCain will bomb a nation of 70 million people (Iran) without even raising his hand. That's power, baby.
Hoo-hah!
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all with borrowed money from China.
NT
To quote someone else on here:
"Owing money to China is like owing your dog money..."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_Canada
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Well....that is one of the best, if not the best, posts I have ever seen on here!
Glad someone on here agrees with me. Seems most here on this site have been brainwashed by media flair...flash some shiny lights and dangle some shiny toys and they'll believe anything. Of course many on here would say the same thing about me, that I've been brainwashed, that I'm a hate mongering criminal if I truly believe what I do, if I truly support the right side of the fence, if I truly believe that America is still the most unstoppable country in the world.
The thing is, the same people usually voice their opinion shouting at the top of their lungs, I should be arrested according to them, or better yet, I should leave because all intelligent Americans think as they do, lol! Funny thing is, you'll rarely hear anyone on the side I stand on scream, you'll never hear them ask those who they disagree with to leave. The side of left wing thinking in America today is rooted deep in hate...it is against success it is against real education, it supports selfishness and abhors selflessness acts and thrives on the misery of the people who are blind enough to follow.
One of my favorite things I ever read was actually a bumper sticker I saw a year or two ago.
It said:
Make a liberal mad
Work hard, own stuff, be happy
USA is disliked by many due to their foreign policy, and it is fascinating they do not see that.
I don't think most Americans who have a clue as to what's going on in the world are unaware of this. But the ones who do have a clue, they are a small minority. But They're the ones that matter so who cares.
When you come to America yourself and you're out shopping or doing what ever it is you do, odds are you're talking with the every day schmuck who has no real clue as to what's going on in the world around him. All he knows is that he lives in America, that the rest of the world dislikes us...he only knows this because he heard Brian Willimas say it on NBC news...he only caught that tid bit of info cause he was flipping channels while there was a commercial break during Wheel of Fortune.
Anyway, I agree, we are disliked by many because of our foreign policy. IMO, it wouldn't matter where or what that policy stood on though, it would still be hated.
Canadians, Brits, Swiss etc do not go on about everyone being jealous, despite coming from nations that also offer great standards.
The mass hates Rome not for it's power and splendor but because She Is Rome.
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Well, I don't see how it is 'free'...its gotta be paid for somehow, someway....Taxes?
What kind of docs work for nothing?
Not very good ones.
I would never, ever seek healthcare outside of New England...the world apex of quality healthcare.
Moosejay approved
Well, if the docs are not very good ones - that means all of America are not good - as we are often treated there - free to us of course :)
USA based Johns Hopkins, Lahey and Mass General are popular here. Doctors/hospital here, who are very good, treat more 'regular things' small population means certain diseases/things are only seen here maybe once a decade so does not warrant offering specialized care for it here.
Goverment pays all expenses [medical, flights, hotel, per diem] to go wherever for treatment in cases. It was great years back when we had no MRI machine, you could "mention" you had repeated headaches and run off on a free vacation. Gov wised up to us though and bought one >:(
My island is very very tiny and unique [tax haven and banking vibe] so not saying this works for everyone. Of course the US cant drop income and sales tax than pay for 320 million people to jet off for medical care, we can as there are like 7 of us haha.
My only point is I have much love for Americans, and many other nationalities, not bashing - merely disputing this fairytale that dislike is based on jealousy. The standard of living we get, to say we are jealous is literally delusionally hysterical.
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I don't think most Americans who have a clue as to what's going on in the world are unaware of this. But the ones who do have a clue, they are a small minority. But They're the ones that matter so who cares.
When you come to America yourself and you're out shopping or doing what ever it is you do, odds are you're talking with the every day schmuck who has no real clue as to what's going on in the world around him. All he knows is that he lives in America, that the rest of the world dislikes us...he only knows this because he heard Brian Willimas say it on NBC news...he only caught that tid bit of info cause he was flipping channels while there was a commercial break during Wheel of Fortune.
Anyway, I agree, we are disliked by many because of our foreign policy. IMO, it wouldn't matter where or what that policy stood on though, it would still be hated.
Good post and lol.
I realize the insular attitude and complete lack of knowledge of world affairs, is reprensentative of the twits most times. Rife amongst those who have never left USA as well. Is why I was surprised to see you type that and picked it up actually, as I always had the impression you were more worldy.
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The mass hates Rome not for it's power and splendor but because She Is Rome.
...Attila (and the masses he lead) destroyed Rome in an attempt to stem the tide of ignorance represented by organised Christianity and Roman imperialism.
The Luke
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Good post and lol.
I realize the insular attitude and complete lack of knowledge of world affairs, is reprensentative of the twits most times. Rife amongst those who have never left USA as well. Is why I was surprised to see you type that and picked it up actually, as I always had the impression you were more worldy.
Am I being complimented or is this a sarcastic poke? Either way CQ, it's cool, you've always been one of the more sain individuals on here IMO. ;D
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Am I being complimented or is this a sarcastic poke? Either way CQ, it's cool, you've always been one of the more sain individuals on here IMO. ;D
No, I was serious. Meant it in good faith.
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Am I being complimented or is this a sarcastic poke? Either way CQ, it's cool, you've always been one of the more sain individuals on here IMO. ;D
sain oh ok
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My point is that many socialist policies of smaller countries can leech off the capitalist policies of the United States.
You seem to think that everything should be free. The problem with that type of thinking is that NOTHING is free. I'm pretty sure you have an infrastructure where you live. That costs money in raw materials, labor and equipment. Someone has to pay for that. Same goes for healthcare. Hospitals have to be built. Doctors don't work for free. Again, someone has to pay for that.
Socialists tend to avoid these "inconvenient truths."
I am not actually a socialist, far from it. I own my own company, and would be incensed if I was hit with corporate and income tax to support lazy people [as I view it]
My main point is, and has always been - I get free healthcare, free college without paying a red cent in income or sales tax - so why would I be jealous? It's laughable to think I would be. I could paypal someone $50,000 a year and that would strike off those benefits to me if I really wanted to change that fact :-\
And not to sound all snotty or come across rude [genuinly don't mean to] the hows and whys are irrelevant to me. Someone does pay for all our infrastructure and benefits - and that someone is *not* the locals which makes us delirious with joy tbh.
People can post till they are blue in the face: free health, college, no income tax offers me the opportunity to enjoy having a large disposable income, and the lifestyle that accompanies that. Love it, hence am not jealous of anywhere.
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genius and retard alike fall into each and every category on the spectrum of political ideaology, adam. its not a matter of intelligence that dictates viewpoint on this kind of thing.
i have to bump this thread.
TA i remembered this comment today. i realised you had said "wise", and not "intelligent"...
you might be correct about wthe "wisest" thing, when i made this comment i didnt quite understand the difference between intelligence and wisdom.
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what do you guys keep in your holsters, since obama has disarmed us?