Obama Vows To Disarm America

[Mars]

Venezuela, Iran.

[240 is Back]

what country will the US 'invade' next to save it's sorry ass?

africa.  they just found oil there and we're it sounds like we're shifting forces there in oct 08 when bush declares victory in iraq/afghanistan simultaneously and 'find' some problem there requiring big spending, big drilling, and big bombing.

[Bigger Business]

africa.  they just found oil there and we're it sounds like we're shifting forces there in oct 08 when bush declares victory in iraq/afghanistan simultaneously and 'find' some problem there requiring big spending, big drilling, and big bombing.

lol, your post sounds sarcastic, but youre probably right

[Bodvar]

Iraq.  We have 41 permanent bases, a handpicked candidate running the place, US oil firms are now drilling in 80% of their fields, and we're finalizing plans for the longterm agreement that will have us there, as mccain agrees, 100 years.

They get to keep their flag and the facade of democracy. We get all the oil and airspace.

Iraq is not an American colony any more than South Korea is. Nobody wants to stay there any longer than they have to.

Plus this oil nonsense reasoning for the American presence in Iraq is getting tiring. The Iraqis are not paying the US government at all for the huge expense the Americans took on for liberating that country. That and in case you haven't noticed gas is really expensive now. If Iraq is (was) about oil, then they sure are doing a piss poor job of delivering that oil.

[Bodvar]

the attack on the trade centre was a simple results of years of interference into other countries affairs and the lavish unconditional support for terrorist country like israel.  it was a big tragedy but its only a small one if you compare it to what usa have done to other countries.
there will be much more grieve among the americans in the near future if they continue behaving like bush does.

Bullshit, the trade center attack was a result of religious fanaticism, period. The only acceptable behavior to these people is converting to Islam. Any other reasoning for this attack is pure fantasy.

[Bigger Business]

Plus this oil nonsense reasoning for the American presence in Iraq is getting tiring. The Iraqis are not paying the US government at all for the huge expense the Americans took on for liberating that country. That and in case you haven't noticed gas is really expensive now. If Iraq is (was) about oil, then they sure are doing a piss poor job of delivering that oil.

So the US did this out of the goodness of their hearts?

Recall this 'liberation' was suppose to be over in 30 days....7 years later there's going to be some miscalculations.

[flagadajones]

Iraq is not an American colony any more than South Korea is. Nobody wants to stay there any longer than they have to.

Plus this oil nonsense reasoning for the American presence in Iraq is getting tiring. The Iraqis are not paying the US government at all for the huge expense the Americans took on for liberating that country. That and in case you haven't noticed gas is really expensive now. If Iraq is (was) about oil, then they sure are doing a piss poor job of delivering that oil.

don't waste your time with these socialist idiots.

[240 is Back]

Plus this oil nonsense reasoning for the American presence in Iraq is getting tiring. The Iraqis are not paying the US government at all for the huge expense the Americans took on for liberating that country. That and in case you haven't noticed gas is really expensive now. If Iraq is (was) about oil, then they sure are doing a piss poor job of delivering that oil.

No offense, but you're embarassing yourself.  

The US has spend 600 to 800 billion in iraq.  Iraq possesses 50 to 75 tril worth of oil under its sands, and the US now contractually owns 40 to 80% of it, depending upon which contract passes.  That oil will be sold in dollars, keeping the buck relevant in the region.

Oil prices are high due to weakening dollar, and because Bush/Cheney have been putting a crapload if it into our 'strategic reserve', a piggy bank of oil for a rainy day.  This move allows us to hit Iran and avoid economic crisis in the 2 months afterwards, when the persian gulf would be closed and oil stops flowing.  The oil is flowing, but into the matress stash, not your corner exxon station.

[240 is Back]

lol, your post sounds sarcastic, but youre probably right

two big news items yesterday.  oil found in africa.  and hezbolah has a new stronghold in africa.

it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see that when Bush claims victory over Al-Q in October (to bolster mccain in the election) that the next logical target, since we have 200k men in region and a whole lot of hardware, would be the place with the next pile of oil and sexy targets to justify our being there.

[drkaje]

Most ignorant post yet.

THIS is WHY people in the United States are really ignorant.  Your post has provided just the answer The Luke was after as to WHY the Majority of Americans are currently so worthelss.  History, Reason, Science and Evidence based arguments elude them.  Americans are sunk to the murky depths of ignorance by mere bagatelles.  I wonder if they even have a future when they certainly cannot and DO NOT comprehend the past.

People do get the Govt they deserve. Problem is, everyone thinks they deserve better.

There's a difference between cutting and pasting a few pics or sections from books and really understanding them in the proper context. For good or ill, times have changed and it doesn't take a very smart person to see that. What you guys have traded away will never come back.

[CQ]

LOL @ anyone who still thinks USA went into liberate Iraq.

As far as US colonies - its debatable - but what about my area? St Criox, St Thomas etc. Here, they are considered US colonies and reffered to as such.

[Mars]

Bullshit, the trade center attack was a result of religious fanaticism, period. The only acceptable behavior to these people is converting to Islam. Any other reasoning for this attack is pure fantasy.

yeah but the question will then be why they turn to religious fanaticism in the first place.
usa gave them an excuse to turn to that dark side.

[CQ]

Venezuela, Iran.

Venezeula has 170 more million people that Iraq, they are wary of the US already and on guard as is much of my region, have trained miltary, more weaponry and will have support within this region. Chavez will not be laying down for the US in any way. I doubt the US will be so daft as to try that, as it will make Iraq look like a walk in the park.

You ban ammo, and suddenly you have 50k "ammo bootlegger" businesses show up.

Agree, maybe tighter gun laws to slow down nutbags getting them, but trying to ban ammo or guns is futile

[Mars]

A coup happened in Venezuela that was prepared by the usa What do they want? their oil, as they did in Iraq.

[drkaje]

yeah but the question will then be why they turn to religious fanaticism in the first place.
usa gave them an excuse to turn to that dark side.

We have a lot of fanatics here, Mars. They're called fundamentalists. The US also has a lot of groups that keep seperate for religious reasons. As far as the middle east area goes.... most of the people are poor and only have religion to help them make sense out of a world that is moving so fast that they'll never catch up in.

[Mars]

i agree drkaje.

[NarcissisticDeity]

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Needing a gun in case someone breaks into your house is plain stupid... just another conservatives wet dream delusion. Statistical studies have shown conclusively that handguns kept in residences for protection are far more likely to kill/maim one of the residents than an intruder.


The Luke

I'm with 240 on this one ! here are something very interesting facts about firearms

Did you know that every 13 seconds one of America's 70 million gun owners uses a firearm in defense against a criminal? That American women use handguns 416 times a day in defense against rapists, which is a dozen times more often than rapists use a gun? That a gun kept in the home for protection is 216 times as likely to be used in defense against a criminal than it is to cause the death of an innocent victim in that household?

These are just a few of the surprises this book has in store for anyone whose belief in gun control is based on TV news or popular magazines.

A gun kept in the home for protection is 216 times as like to be used in defense against a criminal than it is to cause the death of an innocent victim ! again the media is anti-gun you don't here about these facts anyone want to know exactly where these facts are from its from J. Neil Schulman's book " Stopping Power " which I might add is available for FREE in PDF format http://www.pulpless.com/0576.html

gun control reduces crime is a myth anyone who subscribes to this notion simply doesn't know the facts.

[240 is Back]

I'm with 240 on this one ! here are something very interesting facts about firearms

My brother used to be a big second amendment guy, everyone thought he was crazy.  Til 2 guys in black masks entered his pharmacy with guns and a plan to execute both employees after getting the day's delivery of oxycotin.  (one of the robbers' sisters called in sick that day after setting it all up).

He shot one in the belly and the other one fled.  The guy he shot was already wanted for shooting at a police officer a month earlier.  I'm not sure HE would have listened to any gun ban laws, seeing as he was already breaking the law.  Would things have been any better if my brother had turned in his own gun?  Nope.

[NarcissisticDeity]

My brother used to be a big second amendment guy, everyone thought he was crazy.  Til 2 guys in black masks entered his pharmacy with guns and a plan to execute both employees after getting the day's delivery of oxycotin.  (one of the robbers' sisters called in sick that day after setting it all up).

He shot one in the belly and the other one fled.  The guy he shot was already wanted for shooting at a police officer a month earlier.  I'm not sure HE would have listened to any gun ban laws, seeing as he was already breaking the law.  Would things have been any better if my brother had turned in his own gun?  Nope.

People are just plain fucking stupid if they don't arm themselves , period. if you love your family you should own a gun and you should get plenty of training on how to use that gun.

luck favor's the prepared and I'm not taking chances with my life.

[Purple Aki]

Gun control does work. Here in the UK, law abiding citizens don't own and carry guns - it's only the muggers and other types of criminals that are armed.

It's great.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Gun control does work. Here in the UK, law abiding citizens don't own and carry guns - it's only the muggers and other types of criminals that are armed.

It's great.

Exactly you disarm all the honest people and it makes it easier for the criminals .

[CQ]

A coup happened in Venezuela that was prepared by the usa What do they want? their oil, as they did in Iraq.

Yes, the US has been interfering in my regions domestic affairs forever. Some offended person will flame me for this without checking to see I am correct, but whatever. Google will back me.

Posado is our biggest terrorist, our 'Bin laden". Took down a plane in the 1970's killing some 70 people, and bombed many places for a good decade. He admits to much, supected to have done much more. God knows how many of my people he killed.

Guess where he lives in full freedom under gov protection despite my region asking for his extradition since 2005 when he was arrested there for being an illegal immigrant?

His guilt is not in question by anyone, he *admits* it - official reason is he is afforded the protection of the US is as we may torture him [prolly true]. They can admit to torturing hundreds of suspected terrorists, but the mere suspiscion we may torture one admitted terrorist is so offensive to them. Irony defined

We fight on daily, using all diplomatic measures available. Wonder how the US gov respond if Bin Laden was given safe refuge in Venuezula and strolled around the beaches? It's the same thing. Amazing that a government that decries terrorism constantly, allows a legendary one to live there in freedom.

[240 is Back]

Amazing that a government that decries terrorism constantly, allows a legendary one to live there in freedom.

we didn't take out bin laden in 1998, in 2001, or in 2005.  At each of those time, we had him in sight and he was allowed to escape.

you see, a living boogeyman is very good for war propaganda purposes.  Most people on the street can't tell you about the true geopolitical reasons for invading afghanistan, iran, or iraq... but they know "that #$&*^* (*@&! Bin Laden".

Without external threats, their agenda would lose domestic support.  You know, kinda like how if a bouncer hasn't broken up a fight in 3 weeks, he STARTS one?  Job security...

[Mars]

what about bin laden visited by an cia chief in an american hospital in dubai shortly before 911 happend.

[CQ]

what about bin laden visited by an cia chief in an american hospital in dubai shortly before 911 happend.

On a related note, Posada is ex-CIA. That is an admitted fact from the CIA itself - they admit to employing him in the 1960's.

Folklore here has it that he was on the CIA payroll at the time of his all killings and they were engineered by the CIA hence why he gets to live there strolling Miami Beach all day.