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Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« on: December 03, 2010, 12:34:03 PM »
Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon

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Vice President Biden predicted Friday at a Pennsylvania fundraiser that the U.S. economy would be adding up to 500,000 jobs each month "some time in the next couple of months."

"All in all we're going to be creating somewhere between 100[,000] and 200,000 jobs next month, I predict," Biden said, according to a pool report, adding that he "got in trouble" for a job growth prediction last month. "Even some in the White House said, 'Hey, don't get ahead of yourself.' Well, I'm here to tell you, some time in the next couple of months, we're going to be creating between 250,000 jobs a month and 500,000 jobs a month."


"We caught a lot of bad breaks on the way down," Biden added. "We're going to catch a few good breaks because of good planning on the way up."

Most forecasters had expected about 200,000 new jobs to be created in March. Instead, a total of 162,000 new jobs were created on non-farm payrolls -- the biggest one-month jobs gain in the past three years, but still well below what economists were predicting.


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Re: Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2010, 12:35:47 PM »
where's that monthly job loss/creation chart?  i haven't seen it in a few months.  it had just leveled off with a few months of minimal growth.

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Re: Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2010, 12:38:33 PM »
where's that monthly job loss/creation chart?  i haven't seen it in a few months.  it had just leveled off with a few months of minimal growth.


240 - is this a "FAIL"   ?

Yes or No? 

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Re: Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2010, 12:49:39 PM »
http://reason.com/blog/2010/12/03/measuring-the-effects-of-the-s
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Peter Suderman | December 3, 2010





The folks at e21 point out a new study by Daniel J. Wilson of the San Francisco Fed on the effects of the stimulus :

Wilson’s study makes an important contribution to this debate by focusing on state-by-state comparisons. A large portion of stimulus funding at the state level was based on criteria that were entirely independent of the economic situation that states faced. For example, the number of existing highway miles was used to calculate additional transportation spending.

The study uses this resulting variation in state-level stimulus funding to determine what impact ARRA funding had on employment — including both the direct impact of workers hired to complete planned projects, as well as any broader spillover effects resulting from greater government spending. Administration economists have repeatedly emphasized the importance of this indirect employment growth in driving economic recovery.

The results suggest that though the program did result in 2 million jobs “created or saved” by March 2010, net job creation was statistically indistinguishable from zero by August of this year. Taken at face value, this would suggest that the stimulus program (with an overall cost of $814 billion) worked only to generate temporary jobs at a cost of over $400,000 per worker. Even if the stimulus had in fact generated this level of employment as a durable outcome, it would still have been an extremely expensive way to generate employment.

Interestingly, federal assistance to state Medicaid programs appears to have decreased local and state government employment. One possibility is that requirements to maintain full Medicaid benefits in order to receive federal aid proved sufficiently expensive that state governments pushed though additional rounds of layoffs in non-health related areas. This finding may suggest a potential pitfall with the Wyden-Brown proposal to decentralize health reform efforts at the state level: if comprehensive insurance requirements are retained, the net effect of reform may only shift safety-net spending towards healthcare and away from other urgent priorities such as education or welfare assistance.

Backers of the stimulus have always had to contend with two big problems: The first is measurement. How do we know how many jobs were created, saved, funded, whatever? Do we count new permanent jobs, or partially funded contractors, or grocery clerks whose paychecks are dependent on added business from stimulus-funded workers across town? And even if you can verify that those jobs are funded by stimulus money somehow, how do you know that the same jobs would not have been created in the absence of the stimulus? It’s a thankless task, and the administration has tended to respond by skirting the issue and relying on models that don’t really measure output at all. Wilson’s study, with its state-by-state comparisons, attempts to partly address this problem.

But his tentative conclusions lead to the second problem, which is value. Even if you find  that the stimulus did create jobs, then the question becomes: Were the results worth the price? The findings in Wilson’s study suggest that they weren’t.

More on measuring the stimulus here and here.

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Re: Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2010, 12:54:30 PM »

240 - is this a "FAIL"   ?

Yes or No? 

it's kinda hard to judge something as a failure when he says it'll happen in the future.


No.  I agreed about 2 months ago, that enough of its parts were unsuccessful to call it an overall, but not complete, failure.

Those "jobs jobs jobs" that Bobby jindal bragged about giving out in his state - it sure wasn't a complete failure to those folks.

But for an overall investment, it was pretty shitty.

You should note that I apply strict standards to goals that you may not. I don't know.  I am well aware that by INITIAL STATED GOALS BY THE BUSH ADMIN, the Iraq War was a glaring failure, actually.  But since we limped out 5 years after planned, with 1000-fold over budget, with 4000 dead soldiers extra that weren't in the success plan - well, we are all able to overlook that.

So i'll point out the hypocrisy in you calling the Iraq War a success, even tho it practically raped the initial goals Bush promised

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Re: Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2010, 12:58:11 PM »
The results suggest that though the program did result in 2 million jobs “created or saved” by March 2010, net job creation was statistically indistinguishable from zero by August of this year. Taken at face value, this would suggest that the stimulus program (with an overall cost of $814 billion) worked only to generate temporary jobs at a cost of over $400,000 per worker. Even if the stimulus had in fact generated this level of employment as a durable outcome, it would still have been an extremely expensive way to generate employment.




Yes - real success bro.   ::)  ::)

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Re: Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2010, 01:54:56 PM »
Very interesting article 3386.

Much better stuff than the usual anti-intellectual BS articles and youtube dramas you poison this board with.

J/K  ;D


Well versed and on point without any of the Beckish stuff that is only certain to make you dumber. :D

I think some serious journalists, not the play-doo journalists a la Limbaugh, Beck and what not, should investigate how the stimulus played out.

It is very crucial to get transparancy on that.
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Re: Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2010, 02:00:34 PM »
Very interesting article 3386.

Much better stuff than the usual anti-intellectual BS articles and youtube dramas you poison this board with.

J/K  ;D


Well versed and on point without any of the Beckish stuff that is only certain to make you dumber. :D

I think some serious journalists, not the play-doo journalists a la Limbaugh, Beck and what not, should investigate how the stimulus played out.

It is very crucial to get transparancy on that.


you didnt like my obama Chia Pet story?   :o  :o

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Re: Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2010, 02:08:13 PM »
The results suggest that though the program did result in 2 million jobs “created or saved” by March 2010, net job creation was statistically indistinguishable from zero by August of this year.

i see.  Obama inherited a verifiable death spiral in the job market - and despite creating 2 million jobs, it was only enough to 'even out' the 2 million lost as a result of the Bush era.

And, since the job loss started to reverse a month after obama took office and put the STIM into play...

Well, do you ever get tired of putting down bush, 33?






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Re: Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2010, 02:20:33 PM »

you didnt like my obama Chia Pet story?   :o  :o


Me and George Hamilton approves.

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Re: Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2010, 02:22:11 PM »
i see.  Obama inherited a verifiable death spiral in the job market - and despite creating 2 million jobs, it was only enough to 'even out' the 2 million lost as a result of the Bush era.

And, since the job loss started to reverse a month after obama took office and put the STIM into play...

Well, do you ever get tired of putting down bush, 33?






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240 do you hink this stuff up before typing? 

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Re: Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2010, 02:28:37 PM »

240 do you hink this stuff up before typing? 

this is the part where you insult 240 and don't argue the post.

he inherited job losses of 600k a month.

18 months later, he had it in the positive.

your own article shows a gain of 2 mil new jobs, which were cancelled out by the job losses.  But the job losses peaked before obama even took office.  how did he cause them?

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Re: Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2010, 02:34:48 PM »
this is the part where you insult 240 and don't argue the post.

he inherited job losses of 600k a month.

18 months later, he had it in the positive.

your own article shows a gain of 2 mil new jobs, which were cancelled out by the job losses.  But the job losses peaked before obama even took office.  how did he cause them?

Did you neglect the cost and the fact that these are temp jobs?

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Re: Biden Predicts 500,000 Jobs Created a Month Soon
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2010, 03:59:28 PM »
Did you neglect the cost and the fact that these are temp jobs?

100% of them are temp jobs?

If not, what %?