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errorism: Nine months after President Trump promised to defeat ISIS "quickly and effectively," U.S.-backed forces captured Raqqa, which until Tuesday had served as the ISIS capital. The battle now is over who deserves credit: Trump or President Obama.

Trump, not surprisingly, claims it for himself: "It had to do with the people I put in and it had to do with rules of engagement," Trump said in a radio interview.

Before dismissing this as typical Trump self-aggrandizement, consider that for several years Obama insisted that a quick and decisive victory against ISIS was all but impossible.

After belittling ISIS as a "JV" team and then being surprised by its advances, Obama finally got around to announcing a strategy to "degrade and ultimately destroy" the militant Islamic group.

As his strategy dragged on and seemed to go nowhere, Obama kept telling the country that this was just the nature of the beast.

"It will take time to eradicate a cancer like (ISIS). It will take time to root them out."

"This is a long-term and extremely complex challenge."

"This will not be quick."

"There will be setbacks and there will be successes."

"We must be patient and flexible in our efforts; this is a multiyear fight and there will be challenges along the way."

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Autoplay: On | OffAnd he kept insisting that winning the war against ISIS has as much to do with public relations as it did weapons. "This broader challenge of countering extremism is not simply a military effort. Ideologies are not defeated with guns, they are defeated by better ideas."

What Obama didn't say is that reason defeating ISIS was taking so long was of how he was fighting it.

A former senior military commander in the region told the Washington Examiner that the Obama White House was micromanaging the war "to the degree that it was just as bad, if not worse, than during the Johnson administration." Johnson, you will recall, once bragged that "they can't bomb an outhouse in Vietnam without my permission."

Contrast this with Trump. Rather than talk endlessly about how long and hard the fight would be, Trump said during his campaign that, if elected, he would convene his "top generals and give them a simple instruction. They will have 30 days to submit to the Oval Office a plan for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS."

Once in office, Trump made several changes in the way the war was fought, the most important of which were to loosen the rules of engagement and give more decision-making authority to battlefield commanders.

Joshua Keating, writing in the liberal commentary site Slate, noted that Trump had "instructed the Pentagon to loosen the rules of engagement for airstrikes to the minimum required by international law, eliminated White House oversight procedures meant to protect civilians, and ordered the CIA to resume covert targeted killing missions." (He meant it as a criticism.)

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, who can hardly be called a Trump lap dog, praised what he said was "a dramatic shift in a very positive way — away from the political micromanaging of the Obama years to freeing up generals and troops to destroy ISIS."

The result of this shift seems pretty obvious. In July, ISIS was booted from Mosul, and this week Raqqa was liberated. For all intents and purposes, ISIS has been defeated. Trump did in nine months what Obama couldn't in the previous three years.

Trump's critics will insist that victory was inevitable, given that Obama had severely degraded ISIS over the previous years, and that all Trump did was continue Obama's strategy.

But the bottom line is that while Obama preached patience, Trump promised a swift end to ISIS, and then delivered on it.


http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/raqqa-victory-means-trump-defeated-isis-in-months-after-years-of-excuses-from-obama/

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Re: Trump Defeats ISIS In Months — After Years Of Excuses From Obama
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2017, 09:03:50 AM »
k.......lol

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Re: Trump Defeats ISIS In Months — After Years Of Excuses From Obama
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2017, 08:36:12 PM »
errorism: Nine months after President Trump promised to defeat ISIS "quickly and effectively," U.S.-backed forces captured Raqqa, which until Tuesday had served as the ISIS capital. The battle now is over who deserves credit: Trump or President Obama.

Trump, not surprisingly, claims it for himself: "It had to do with the people I put in and it had to do with rules of engagement," Trump said in a radio interview.

Before dismissing this as typical Trump self-aggrandizement, consider that for several years Obama insisted that a quick and decisive victory against ISIS was all but impossible.

After belittling ISIS as a "JV" team and then being surprised by its advances, Obama finally got around to announcing a strategy to "degrade and ultimately destroy" the militant Islamic group.

As his strategy dragged on and seemed to go nowhere, Obama kept telling the country that this was just the nature of the beast.

"It will take time to eradicate a cancer like (ISIS). It will take time to root them out."

"This is a long-term and extremely complex challenge."

"This will not be quick."

"There will be setbacks and there will be successes."

"We must be patient and flexible in our efforts; this is a multiyear fight and there will be challenges along the way."

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Autoplay: On | OffAnd he kept insisting that winning the war against ISIS has as much to do with public relations as it did weapons. "This broader challenge of countering extremism is not simply a military effort. Ideologies are not defeated with guns, they are defeated by better ideas."

What Obama didn't say is that reason defeating ISIS was taking so long was of how he was fighting it.

A former senior military commander in the region told the Washington Examiner that the Obama White House was micromanaging the war "to the degree that it was just as bad, if not worse, than during the Johnson administration." Johnson, you will recall, once bragged that "they can't bomb an outhouse in Vietnam without my permission."

Contrast this with Trump. Rather than talk endlessly about how long and hard the fight would be, Trump said during his campaign that, if elected, he would convene his "top generals and give them a simple instruction. They will have 30 days to submit to the Oval Office a plan for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS."

Once in office, Trump made several changes in the way the war was fought, the most important of which were to loosen the rules of engagement and give more decision-making authority to battlefield commanders.

Joshua Keating, writing in the liberal commentary site Slate, noted that Trump had "instructed the Pentagon to loosen the rules of engagement for airstrikes to the minimum required by international law, eliminated White House oversight procedures meant to protect civilians, and ordered the CIA to resume covert targeted killing missions." (He meant it as a criticism.)

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, who can hardly be called a Trump lap dog, praised what he said was "a dramatic shift in a very positive way — away from the political micromanaging of the Obama years to freeing up generals and troops to destroy ISIS."

The result of this shift seems pretty obvious. In July, ISIS was booted from Mosul, and this week Raqqa was liberated. For all intents and purposes, ISIS has been defeated. Trump did in nine months what Obama couldn't in the previous three years.

Trump's critics will insist that victory was inevitable, given that Obama had severely degraded ISIS over the previous years, and that all Trump did was continue Obama's strategy.

But the bottom line is that while Obama preached patience, Trump promised a swift end to ISIS, and then delivered on it.


http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/raqqa-victory-means-trump-defeated-isis-in-months-after-years-of-excuses-from-obama/


What a stupid article.  Everything to retake Raqqua was planned back in 2015 and was already in action.   Not only that ISIS is far from being out of business....the wars definitely continues ::)
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Re: Trump Defeats ISIS In Months — After Years Of Excuses From Obama
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2017, 09:07:26 PM »

What a stupid article.  Everything to retake Raqqua was planned back in 2015 and was already in action.   Not only that ISIS is far from being out of business....the wars definitely continues ::)

lol...then why didn’t Obama take it out then?

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Re: Trump Defeats ISIS In Months — After Years Of Excuses From Obama
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2017, 09:35:06 AM »
lol...then why didn’t Obama take it out then?


Raqqa isn't some hick town....its a city with over 250k people there and it was a capital city of ISIL and had to be cleared out door to door.   That takes a while considering that every fighter will blow themselves up.  BTW, it was the Syrian Democratic Forces that were responsible for liberating the city
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Re: Trump Defeats ISIS In Months — After Years Of Excuses From Obama
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2017, 10:01:17 AM »

Raqqa isn't some hick town....its a city with over 250k people there and it was a capital city of ISIL and had to be cleared out door to door.   That takes a while considering that every fighter will blow themselves up.  BTW, it was the Syrian Democratic Forces that were responsible for liberating the city

"isil"  wtf bs IS THAT?  Thats the Obama failed admn version of their name.  F that.  O-twink failed end of story. 

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Re: Trump Defeats ISIS In Months — After Years Of Excuses From Obama
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2017, 09:58:15 AM »
It's amazing how things get done when you allow the military to do their jobs.

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Re: Trump Defeats ISIS In Months — After Years Of Excuses From Obama
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2017, 02:35:34 PM »
This is what real leadership looks like.

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Re: Trump Defeats ISIS In Months — After Years Of Excuses From Obama
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2017, 02:42:39 PM »

What a stupid article.  Everything to retake Raqqua was planned back in 2015 and was already in action.   Not only that ISIS is far from being out of business....the wars definitely continues ::)

Didn't you plan on buying a jaguar and living in a tiny home back in 2015?
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2017, 05:01:01 PM »
Didn't you plan on buying a jaguar and living in a tiny home back in 2015?


I'm buying a house in April so the Jaguar is on the back burner for now
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Re: Trump Defeats ISIS In Months — After Years Of Excuses From Obama
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2017, 04:25:21 AM »

I'm buying a house in April so the Jaguar is on the back burner for now

One of those tiny ones?! those are so awesome -  I want one for my family's land in Llano TX
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Re: Trump Defeats ISIS In Months — After Years Of Excuses From Obama
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2017, 02:05:37 PM »
the SAS developed an iphone app for the YPG where they could see their location and pin point the enemy location which would be reviewed before drone striked.


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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2017, 02:12:23 PM »
the SAS developed an iphone app for the YPG where they could see their location and pin point the enemy location which would be reviewed before drone striked.



I love it.

You are out there in the 110 degree heat eating dead rats and drinking dirty polluted water just to survive.

Meanwhile we are kicked back in some air conditioned room in DC, ordering takeout, sipping coffee and destroying your entire coalition by simply pushing buttons.

Like we are just fucking you up with technology.