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Announcement - Episode #226
PBW Presents: "BOBservations" with Bob Cicherillo (Replay Now Available)
Former PBW Host Returns with Opinions, Announcements....and Plenty of his "Bobservations"
He will emcee nearly EVERY event on this years IFBB Pro Schedule! Tune in this week as Bob Cicherillo makes his first return visit to PBW to get us caught up on a half-year's worth of "BOBSERVATIONS". The athletes rep has plenty on his mind, along with some big announcements. What's NEXT for the former Mr. USA? -- Presented by MuscleTech, "Pro Bodybuilding Weekly" Episode #226 airs Monday at 8pm ET.
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Speaking of which....MAJOR announcement coming this week. should make all the haters hate me even more....
I wonder what Bob will share with us on Monday night?
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I wonder what Bob will share with us on Monday night?
The new Men's IFBB Physique Division....
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how about you bring bob chick back and boot the judge and chad
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Cant wait for the announcement. I wonder what it will be? Hopefully posing counts for something
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The new Men's IFBB Physique Division....
Is Bob involved? Is he competing in physique or just rallying for it?
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yes, get rid of chad and his biased "critiques"
his lack of credibility is pathetic at this point - what an embarrassment
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yes, get rid of chad and his biased "critiques"
his lack of credibility is pathetic at this point - what an embarrassment
Lee is even worse than Chad. Bob will be back.
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Chad doesn't candy coat things though. Bob was nice to everybody.
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The new Men's IFBB Physique Division....
I do'nt think he'd go on the show without something new to show getbiggers. Either he's got a new company, a new job, or something new.
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I do'nt think he'd go on the show without something new to show getbiggers. Either he's got a new company, a new job, or something new.
So, did Roelly crack the top five in NYC??? Remind me.
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Bob back on PBW !!!!!
This will be an excellent show , Bob never disappoints ...
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Bob back on PBW !!!!!
This will be an excellent show , Bob never disappoints ...
Bob has some good stories and knows his bodybuilding .
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So, did Roelly crack the top five in NYC??? Remind me.
Roelly did it just to make me look bad on getbig. :(
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Good to have Bob back on the air. I agree with limiting the qualifications to the Olympia. Maybe just the winners qualify from the circuit shows and top 3 from the Arnold.
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Regarding the statements made my Dan, Bob and Lee.
1. Bob is 100% correct. There needs to be no more the 10 people to do the Mr. O. I've stated this in the past. This is supposed to be the best of the best and IMO only the winners of shows should be qualified for the O and in the case that the winner is qualified then the second place person should go in.
2. In regards to what's going on with athletes today? You want them to come in better shape, condition etc? Have the judges to hold more credence in those categories. Obviously it's bodybuilding so you want them to have size BUT far too many times I've seen the smaller more defined/conditioned bodybuilder get the shaft over the larger less conditioned guy....THIS NEEDS TO END.
3. You want them to compete more often, bodybuilders must be smaller. As you already know it's difficult for the larger guys to come in shape many times during the year. When this happens you have shows with 2nd and 3rd tier bodybuilders headlining shows. And guess what, we don't go to shows to see 2nd and third tier guys...So you want them to compete more often, CHANGE THE JUDGING STANDARDS cause we know the prize money won't go up.
4. Oh yeah the biggest mistake ever made and Flex, Shawn, Kevin and many others agree with me is not counting the posing anymore...You excuse was it wasn't being judged the right way it was dropped...Why weren't the rules ever enforced and the judges told, "hey guys, we're going to count the judging round now on actual posing." So for the first couple of shows when guys are getting bad placings for shitty posing they'll get the message and practice posing the way it shoud be.
5. The thing that sets todays bodybuilders apart from the guys of yesterday is everything you said but it's the size today. People are able to get in great condition what they aren't able to do is get this size at a young age. So as I said before, put more credence in coniditioning, separation, tie-ins and posing you'l lhave bodybuilder turning pro at a younger age, a better lineup, better physiques and people that are more interested in viewing and getting involved with the sport. This is progress Bob not adding 30lbs of slin muscle and adding 3-4 inches on the waist and losing the previously sharp physique. There really is no debating this, it's the truth.
6. Though a young at at 31 I've folowed the sport since 15 and its trends this is the answer. Not what is going on.
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What the IFBB and NPC need to start doing is making the sport more appealing to potential bodybuilders. They've been so busy trying to attract fans, what makes a person want to take up bodybuilding competitively and try and go pro and make it a living? Let me tell you, it's not Jay's or Kai's grotesque physiques. And if you haven't noticed, they quality of the the bodybuilders in the NPC is quite bad especially when compared to those from the 90s. We spoke about this before.
You want a better IFBB make the NPC better.
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I understand the sport will never go mainstream and I'm not trying to attempt that. What I would like to see is a better quality physique, better prospects ensuring a better quality physique for the IFBB in the future and thus allowing the bodybuilding to compete more often and enjoy a longer career.
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they figured out that at the Olympia people wanna see freaks of nature, the only ones not liking that is the smaller guys, the crowd could give a fuck.
I personally do not get the whole big gut thing etc, its nasty, not healthy, but if thats what the crowd wants, thats what ya gotta do.
If you doubt what the crowd wants listen to the cheers when the big guys come out vs the better looking smaller ones.
Makes no sense but it is what it is
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i think they just need to give up, make it a gay show, and move on, accept it's true roots. If they keep it in this stagnating form it isn't going anywhere.
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they figured out that at the Olympia people wanna see freaks of nature, the only ones not liking that is the smaller guys, the crowd could give a fuck.
I personally do not get the whole big gut thing etc, its nasty, not healthy, but if thats what the crowd wants, thats what ya gotta do.
If you doubt what the crowd wants listen to the cheers when the big guys come out vs the better looking smaller ones.
Makes no sense but it is what it is
The crowd isn't cheering for big guts. They're cheering for freaks and these days freaks come with big guts. it's gotten a little better since the 2000's but it's still around.
These days it's like you have people with no business on stage making a mockery of bodybuilding and bodybuilding can't do anything about it cause they are only working with the people that compete. Time to the NPC and IFBB to recruit or make it worth it...Obviously they won't and it will fall upn deaf ears but if they want to actually make positive changes, what I typed earlier would def top many lists.
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The state of professional BB isnt nearly what many of you believe it is...many more athletes have contracts and opportunities than ever before, the Expo style shows have many more people attending, prize money is up, especially at the Olympia as we are nearing the $1M purse...and despite the economy of the last few years, the supplement industry had thrived...
As for the physiques, any era of BB has its ups and downs in terms of depth...and people tend to remember the "good 'ol days" as just that...
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BTW Dan, Bob, Lee, Chad, I challenge any one of you on my ideas to a debate and I'd like to see a coherant reason as to why physiques shouldn't look like those from the 90s of a higher quality (quality defined as conditioning, tie-ins separation and taper to the waist) vs. IFBBs definition of progress being bigger with less tie-ins, separation and taper.
Finally myself and many others would like to know the reason why a major part of the sport POSING has been forgotten other than the reason Bob gave. They make the rules and it seems like it wouldn't be to difficult to enforce. Presentation of the physique is very important...What we have onstage today in most cases is pathetic.
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The state of professional BB isnt nearly what many of you believe it is...many more athletes have contracts and opportunities than ever before, the Expo style shows have many more people attending, prize money is up, especially at the Olympia as we are nearing the $1M purse...and despite the economy of the last few years, the supplement industry had thrived...
As for the physiques, any era of BB has its ups and downs in terms of depth...and people tend to remember the "good 'ol days" as just that...
Bob can you say that the physiques we see today are better (better meaning size, shape, quality etc.) compared to the 90s? Ups and downs? Bodybuilding has shown great progress in the physiques of the men but I'd say around 2004 is when everything went backwards....Are the higher ups content with what they see on the stage today?
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The state of professional BB isnt nearly what many of you believe it is...many more athletes have contracts and opportunities than ever before, the Expo style shows have many more people attending, prize money is up, especially at the Olympia as we are nearing the $1M purse...and despite the economy of the last few years, the supplement industry had thrived...
As for the physiques, any era of BB has its ups and downs in terms of depth...and people tend to remember the "good 'ol days" as just that...
your delusional, yeah the prize money went up, it's not like it got more people watching, it's just a freak show admit it!
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I just gotta know if the higher ups or head judges like a Jim Rockell believe these physques we see today are of a better quality than those of the past. if they do they are delusional if they don't what aren't they doing something about it?
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The state of professional BB isnt nearly what many of you believe it is...many more athletes have contracts and opportunities than ever before, the Expo style shows have many more people attending, prize money is up, especially at the Olympia as we are nearing the $1M purse...and despite the economy of the last few years, the supplement industry had thrived...
As for the physiques, any era of BB has its ups and downs in terms of depth...and people tend to remember the "good 'ol days" as just that...
good ol' Comical Ali haha.
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I just gotta know if the higher ups or head judges like a Jim Rockell believe these physques we see today are of a better quality than those of the past. if they do they are delusional if they don't what aren't they doing something about it?
dude competitive eating is more popular than bodybuilding. it's sad, bodybuilding had it's time and it's time has gone.
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BTW Dan, Bob, Lee, Chad, I challenge any one of you on my ideas to a debate and I'd like to see a coherant reason as to why physiques shouldn't look like those from the 90s of a higher quality (quality defined as conditioning, tie-ins separation and taper to the waist) vs. IFBBs definition of progress being bigger with less tie-ins, separation and taper.
first, there is no official IFBB stance of progress...the judges judge on whats before them. There are many athletes with exactly what you described competing today...
Finally myself and many others would like to know the reason why a major part of the sport POSING has been forgotten other than the reason Bob gave. They make the rules and it seems like it wouldn't be to difficult to enforce. Presentation of the physique is very important...What we have onstage today in most cases is pathetic.
Thats your opinion...it hasnt been forgotten, and it counts in the scoring as much as it ever has....ZERO. Nothing has changed other than calling it the way it REALLY is. Its a physique contest, first and foremost...
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dude competitive eating is more popular than bodybuilding. it's sad, bodybuilding had it's time and it's time has gone.
I for one would like it to be better. It could be so much better and in turn would bring more people if that's what they want. Even if not for more people it could be better with changes to the way they judge would correct many problems like I stated. A better quality physique would come about, longer careers, and better shows.
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Corrrect Bob there are and not many of those guys win top shows. No one ever wants to answer my question about the guys from the 90s vs. guys now. The reason I bring these guys up is because I think most will agree the 90s was the gold standard for bodybuilding. There is no reason we can't have physiques like that, it's all in how you judge them. Judging today favors the larger bodybuilder who in most cases has severe abdominal distention, little to no taper, much less sepration, and tie-ins than his smaller and better looking counterpart. The smaller guy will be penilized and be told "get bigger" and the larger guy will get better placings unless he's really off.
It is and shouldn't presenting your physique important? Shouldn't it count for something? Why did was the scoring part of posing taken away vs. enforced? Was it believed that it would never be enforced?
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Regarding the statements made my Dan, Bob and Lee.
1. Bob is 100% correct. There needs to be no more the 10 people to do the Mr. O. I've stated this in the past. This is supposed to be the best of the best and IMO only the winners of shows should be qualified for the O and in the case that the winner is qualified then the second place person should go in.
2. In regards to what's going on with athletes today? You want them to come in better shape, condition etc? Have the judges to hold more credence in those categories. Obviously it's bodybuilding so you want them to have size BUT far too many times I've seen the smaller more defined/conditioned bodybuilder get the shaft over the larger less conditioned guy....THIS NEEDS TO END.
3. You want them to compete more often, bodybuilders must be smaller. As you already know it's difficult for the larger guys to come in shape many times during the year. When this happens you have shows with 2nd and 3rd tier bodybuilders headlining shows. And guess what, we don't go to shows to see 2nd and third tier guys...So you want them to compete more often, CHANGE THE JUDGING STANDARDS cause we know the prize money won't go up.
4. Oh yeah the biggest mistake ever made and Flex, Shawn, Kevin and many others agree with me is not counting the posing anymore...You excuse was it wasn't being judged the right way it was dropped...Why weren't the rules ever enforced and the judges told, "hey guys, we're going to count the judging round now on actual posing." So for the first couple of shows when guys are getting bad placings for shitty posing they'll get the message and practice posing the way it shoud be.
5. The thing that sets todays bodybuilders apart from the guys of yesterday is everything you said but it's the size today. People are able to get in great condition what they aren't able to do is get this size at a young age. So as I said before, put more credence in coniditioning, separation, tie-ins and posing you'l lhave bodybuilder turning pro at a younger age, a better lineup, better physiques and people that are more interested in viewing and getting involved with the sport. This is progress Bob not adding 30lbs of slin muscle and adding 3-4 inches on the waist and losing the previously sharp physique. There really is no debating this, it's the truth.
6. Though a young at at 31 I've folowed the sport since 15 and its trends this is the answer. Not what is going on.
I agree with alot of these points... I have personally witnessed to many guys with better conditioning getting the shaft because the fat big guy wins all the time. It is a large part of the reason why many younger guys are discouraged from continuing to compete. I cannot tell you how many talented guys who could have gone far i have seen drop out because of this. It is exhausting to see and personally draining for myself.
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I agree with alot of these points... I have personally witnessed to many guys with better conditioning getting the shaft because the fat big guy wins all the time. It is a large part of the reason why many younger guys are discouraged from continuing to compete. I cannot tell you how many talented guys who could have gone far i have seen drop out because of this. It is exhausting to see and personally draining for myself.
Boom...
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Corrrect Bob there are and not many of those guys win top shows. No one ever wants to answer my question about the guys from the 90s vs. guys now.
Theyre two different eras...there simply were MORE guys who had physiques you liked, right now, there are fewer...but they still exist...there were also guys like JP Fux, etc who had really bad distension, dorians waist wasnt exactly waspish either, Ernie Taylor and his tris, etc...
The reason I bring these guys up is because I think most will agree the 90s was the gold standard for bodybuilding.
You can make just as good a case for the 80's...
There is no reason we can't have physiques like that, it's all in how you judge them. Judging today favors the larger bodybuilder who in most cases has severe abdominal distention, little to no taper, much less sepration, and tie-ins than his smaller and better looking counterpart. The smaller guy will be penilized and be told "get bigger" and the larger guy will get better placings unless he's really off.
Pretty broad statement...Who do you believe in the top 10 of the Olympia have what you describe this year?
It is and shouldn't presenting your physique important? Shouldn't it count for something? Why did was the scoring part of posing taken away vs. enforced? Was it believed that it would never be enforced?
It cant be enforced, as routines are as diametrically different than the physiques themselves...
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I agree with alot of these points... I have personally witnessed to many guys with better conditioning getting the shaft because the fat big guy wins all the time. It is a large part of the reason why many younger guys are discouraged from continuing to compete. I cannot tell you how many talented guys who could have gone far i have seen drop out because of this. It is exhausting to see and personally draining for myself.
Really? Being that you mention this has been your personal experience...Id like to hear some names of these gentlemen who youve personally witnessed drop out.
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Boom...
That's not even the half of it. There is so much i'd like to complain about but i don't due to fear of looking like Shawn Ray. I think you a dead on in much of your assessment. I'm not too big of a fan of the posing routines and im actually quite happy about that not being judged anymore but the end result of that is the entertainment factor for the night show is destroyed. I would say though that those who are good posers will be good posers regardless of the judging of the night show. It is a BODY building contest after all. I am sick of the "dance routines". I wish they could incorporate something a lot like prejudging at the night show.
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Really? Being that you mention this has been your personal experience...Id like to hear some names of these gentlemen who youve personally witnessed drop out.
I'm speaking at the local level. I have seen plenty of people get frustrated and end it. I think some of the qualifications can be a bit unfair to. Here at my local show the top 2 in the entire show qualify for nationals. Over at East coast shows top 3 in every class qualify and to be honest the quality of competitors ain't much better. If anything many of them are far behind. I realize though that this is probably based on the actual size of the show.
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Really? Being that you mention this has been your personal experience...Id like to hear some names of these gentlemen who youve personally witnessed drop out.
Lets think of a few guys... How about the Feldman brothers? Moe Elbasouni? Shane Geise? There are a lot more. I have joked in private with a couple of competitors and said maybe we should just come in our offseason condition since some of these softer guys seem to be placing higher. We all laugh and agree. Some of the guys i know are contemplating other shows in other areas for that reason. I can go on Rx muscle and pull up shows where people won that probably should have.
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Lets think of a few guys... How about the Feldman brothers? Moe Elbasouni? Shane Geise? There are a lot more. I have joked in private with a couple of competitors and said maybe we should just come in our offseason condition since some of these softer guys seem to be placing higher. We all laugh and agree. Some of the guys i know are contemplating other shows in other areas for that reason. I can go on Rx muscle and pull up shows where people won that probably should have.
And you believe these guys you mentioned were really going to go on to achieve anything at the pro level??
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And you believe these guys you mentioned were really going to go on to achieve anything at the pro level??
Are you kidding me? The Feldman brothers look awesome. Moe looked awesome. That is like saying do you think Kuclo will achieve anything at the pro level? or Jason Huh? or Brandon Curry? I got into bodybuilding following those guys careers wondering what they did to get as big as they were at such a young age. These guys are turning pro now as we speak. There is no way to know but im just saying i see a lot of good things that could have been great get discouraged and move on.
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I have to agree with Wiggs.
Bob, we've PM'd about this before and I appreciate you taking the time to respond but ultimately, I think what Wiggs is saying is right on the money.
Bodybuilding could be so much better than what it is now.
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yes it could be, but they guys are just on too many drugs, they look grotesque to the average person. If you want to appeal to a wider audience the competitors need to lose about 50 - 70 pounds of muscle.
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Bob is 100% correct. There needs to be no more the 10 people to do the Mr. O. I've stated this in the past. This is supposed to be the best of the best and IMO only the winners of shows should be qualified for the O and in the case that the winner is qualified then the second place person should go in.
With fewer athletes, you can work them much harder on stage and you can make the smallest things really count when separating them - things like details in poses, posing itself, presentation etc
In regards to what's going on with athletes today? You want them to come in better shape, condition etc? Have the judges to hold more credence in those categories. Obviously it's bodybuilding so you want them to have size BUT far too many times I've seen the smaller more defined/conditioned bodybuilder get the shaft over the larger less conditioned guy....THIS NEEDS TO END.
Bodybuilders are responsible for what they present onstage for that moment BUT it is the judges who determine what is successful over the long haul. Leave the freaks for guest posing.
Oh yeah the biggest mistake ever made and Flex, Shawn, Kevin and many others agree with me is not counting the posing anymore...You excuse was it wasn't being judged the right way it was dropped...Why weren't the rules ever enforced and the judges told, "hey guys, we're going to count the judging round now on actual posing." So for the first couple of shows when guys are getting bad placings for shitty posing they'll get the message and practice posing the way it shoud be.
Posing is an excellent way for separating physiques that are close. When two or three guys are so close, imagine how a posing routine can increase the pressure and interest in deciding the winner. A dead pan, useless most-muscular based routine would quickly be the death of a bodybuilder.
Imagine if Grimek, Arnold, Zane, Labrada etc posed, with all due respect, like Dillet, Coleman, Branch etc... If posing wasn't being judged correctly, why not just judge it correctly?
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It was the right move to eliminate scoring in the posing round. Posing is already scored in a sense during mandatories, because it is a necessary element to displaying a physique. The next logical move is to eliminate the night show. Why bring everyone back a second time to see pre-judging all over again? It's done for money, but apart from the Arnold or Olympia, there is no financial benefit from splitting the show into two parts. The individual mandatories could include music and two minutes of free posing, so each competitor could show their unique style. I think getting it done all in one shot really heightens the excitement.
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The individual mandatories could include music and two minutes of free posing, so each competitor could show their unique style. I think getting it done all in one shot really heightens the excitement.
I think that this is a good idea as long as the free posing is judged and can influence the results and placings of the competitor.
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Roelly did it just to make me look bad on getbig. :(
Don't sweat it. I had to rub it in a little. ;)
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Is this an R rated show about what Bob saw in Room 7 by the ice machine ???
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Bob did not disappoint !!
He was very informative, and gave us some great inside information, on how the IFBB / NpC machine actually works.
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Don't sweat it. I had to rub it in a little. ;)
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The athletes and current state of the sport is nothing near the golden era of the mid 90's to early 2000's.
Sure you can say there is more money and the expo's are bigger.. but in terms of the actual athletes.. 9 out of 10 times the best of the 90's thru early 2000's would completely destroy the boys of today.. sad but fact.
Hopefully we get some quality physiques in the coming years..
There isn't much excitement in the sport and the shows this year so far have yet to produce a GREAT line-up. I have yet to see a show this year where all the top 3 guys brought their A-GAME.. seems like everyone is off.. and the guy that is the least off gets the trophy.. yipppiee.
Also, no more of the Olympia guys should AUTOMATICALLY qualify for the next year.. this is a joke. NO major professional organizations hold this nonsense. Did last year's superbowl winner get a free pass to the finals? No.. they had to earn it.. and so should our athletes.. hence the POINT of the QUALIFYING events throughout the year.
Anyways.. just some obvious observations from a fan.
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dude it's a freak show, the olympia should be held at circus circus each year as the main attraction for that weekend.
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The state of professional BB isnt nearly what many of you believe it is...many more athletes have contracts and opportunities than ever before, the Expo style shows have many more people attending, prize money is up, especially at the Olympia as we are nearing the $1M purse...and despite the economy of the last few years, the supplement industry had thrived...
As for the physiques, any era of BB has its ups and downs in terms of depth...and people tend to remember the "good 'ol days" as just that...
TRUE STORY BOB