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Pats Ravens AFCCG followed by a win over Green Bay in the big game.
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and here we go again...
So what is it really - 9-7? 8-8?
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and here we go again...
So what is it really - 9-7? 8-8?
If it makes you feel any better, I have the Packers clown stomping the Giants in the NFCCG. At least I have you making it that far :D
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and here we go again...
So what is it really - 9-7? 8-8?
True, but I have learned never to sleep on the Ravens. Flacco is my worst nightmare. He is the AFC's version of Eli.
The dude can either throw 3 picks or 3 TD's, and still have the look of a robot waiting to be programmed.
But I have said it before......Do I want the Patriots to win the Superbowl this year? Sure. Is my soul as a fan already satisfied? Yeah.
There are so many horrible teams out there. I was lucky enough for my team to be as great as they were.
Hey Grape, are you ready for round three?
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True, but I have learned never to sleep on the Ravens. Flacco is my worst nightmare. He is the AFC's version of Eli.
The dude can either throw 3 picks or 3 TD's, and still have the look of a robot waiting to be programmed.
But I have said it before......Do I want the Patriots to win the Superbowl this year? Sure. Is my soul as a fan already satisfied? Yeah.
There are so many horrible teams out there. I was lucky enough for my team to be as great as they were.
Hey Grape, are you ready for round three?
Legit lol, so true ;D
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If it makes you feel any better, I have the Packers clown stomping the Giants in the NFCCG. At least I have you making it that far :D
Given your history at predicting your own team, that doesn't instill confidence.
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and here we go again...
So what is it really - 9-7? 8-8?
10-6 and playing either the Pats or Steelers in AFCCG.
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I going to make a stretch and say Pats vs Jags AFCCG.
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I going to make a stretch and say Pats vs Jags AFCCG.
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It goes through Pittsburg this year. New England just dropped the ball in the final seconds.
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Awesome. I spoke too soon. Baltimore loves New England in January. It's on now Shizz.
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Awesome. I spoke too soon. Baltimore loves New England in January. It's on now Shizz.
Lol!
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I going to make a stretch and say Pats vs Jags AFCCG.
I'm still sticking to this lol.
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I'm still sticking to this lol.
Haha I got it right.
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Ravens should get Dez Bryant so I can have more confidence when I start my "Ravens 2018 Super Bowl champs" thread.
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Lamar Jackson starter in 2020, possibly as early as 2019.
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Ravens should get Dez Bryant so I can have more confidence when I start my "Ravens 2018 Super Bowl champs" thread.
Confidence increase irrelevant, as the results will be similar.
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If you want a more accurate prediction, it's NE/NFL refs to the Super Bowl again.
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With the heat of Jackson on his heels, Flacco throws for over 4,500 yards and 30 TD's with 14 picks on his way to another Superbowl MVP which will have him traded in a blockbuster deal where he will shit the bed again. Ravens will have a top 5 D and a top 10 O which I beleive gets them to 10-6 or 11-5 and a spot in the big game. Rams Ravens SB
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and here we go again...
So what is it really - 9-7? 8-8?
BOOM
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they stink and a ravens thread stinks without "upinthemguts"
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they stink and a ravens thread stinks without "upinthemguts"
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yeah, liked watching the steeler / ravens battles here.....
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they stink and a ravens thread stinks without "upinthemguts"
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For some reason I thought he changed his name to SOMEPARTS. It was calaitalized the same way is why I thought that. He was right, Anquon Boldin plus Ravens equals super bowl.
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For some reason I thought he changed his name to SOMEPARTS. It was calaitalized the same way is why I thought that. He was right, Anquon Boldin plus Ravens equals super bowl.
he changed his name to "woogsraven"
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Man, spanked by Cincy at cincy, so nothings changed there. I guess it's not as bad as tying the Browns.
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Man, spanked by Cincy at cincy, so nothings changed there. I guess it's not as bad as tying the Browns.
we're undefeated bitch
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we're undefeated bitch
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Anyone watch anything interesting on tv last night? Earl?
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Anyone watch anything interesting on tv last night? Earl?
yes i watched the season premiere of the simpsons
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Man, spanked by Cincy at cincy, so nothings changed there. I guess it's not as bad as tying the Browns.
what is worse than tying the browns?
losing to the browns HAHAHAHAHA ;D
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what is worse than tying the browns?
losing to the browns HAHAHAHAHA ;D
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Joe looking bad. I thought he’d make it through this year and get benched or traded next year but I think they put in Lamar within two weeks of coming out of the bye.
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Joe looking bad. I thought he’d make it through this year and get benched or traded next year but I think they put in Lamar within two weeks of coming out of the bye.
lamar is as dumb as a rock, i promise you he is not a franchise qb
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lamar is as dumb as a rock, i promise you he is not a franchise qb
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I believe this. Them letting Harbaugh go is a mistake as well. Harbaugh and Flacco head to Denver in 2019?
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Wow what a difference a few weeks makes. Four seed and an unstoppable run game. I don’t know how far I see it going but I do have a $100 bet I made at Caesar’s in June at 50:1 they win the Super Bowl.
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Wow what a difference a few weeks makes. Four seed and an unstoppable run game. I don’t know how far I see it going but I do have a $100 bet I made at Caesar’s in June at 50:1 they win the Super Bowl.
i'm thinking it's time the steelers rebuild, i move on from everybody older than 26 and fire the entire coaching staff
your ravens have zero shot at the super bowl, i'm not being a dick just telling it how it is
jackson won't be the first rookie running qb to play well as a rookie and then be cut 3 years later
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Thread title edited for accuracy.
Back for this year baby! See if Lamar took a step forward of if Trace will becomes the new starter mid season. Go Ravens, no kneelers!
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Thread title edited for accuracy.
Back for this year baby! See if Lamar took a step forward of if Trace will becomes the new starter mid season. Go Ravens, no kneelers!
You're kidding, right?
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You're kidding, right?
Check the date. I posted that Saturday before we saw him on Sunday. I was pleasantly surprised, even if Miami is awful.
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Check the date. I posted that Saturday before we saw him on Sunday. I was pleasantly surprised, even if Miami is awful.
Doubt Trace will see the field this Sunday as the 3rd stringer. An injury to RG3 would have to happen. RG3 is proving to be a very capable backup because of his similar skill set to Lamar in their offense.
Miami is probably the worst team in the NFL right now, so I'm not drinking the kool-aid just yet. The real test will be Kansas City on the road in week 3. They should dominate Arizona against a rookie QB in week 2.
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Doubt Trace will see the field this Sunday as the 3rd stringer. An injury to RG3 would have to happen. RG3 is proving to be a very capable backup because of his similar skill set to Lamar in their offense.
Miami is probably the worst team in the NFL right now, so I'm not drinking the kool-aid just yet. The real test will be Kansas City on the road in week 3. They should dominate Arizona against a rookie QB in week 2.
Lamar looked good today, and seems to have real chemistry with Andrews. It’ll be interesting to see next week against the Chiefs if they can keep this up.
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Lamar looked good today, and seems to have real chemistry with Andrews. It’ll be interesting to see next week against the Chiefs if they can keep this up.
8 touchdown passes through 2 games. That's 2 more than he had in all of last season. His passing has improved so much since his rookie year. That 3rd down throw to Hollywood Brown was a thing of beauty in the 4th quarter and it helped seal the win. I'm curious as to how the Ravens will try to defend Mahommes. That dude is unbelievable. But the Chiefs' defense isn't that strong in my opinion. I think Andrews and the other TE's can give them problems.
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Roethlesberger out for the season. Ravens just won the division.
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Roethlesberger out for the season. Ravens just won the division.
Season is a long way from over. 14 games to go and I never would count out the Steelers as a Ravens fan. The Ravens have lost to the Steelers when Charlie Batch was the QB.
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Season is a long way from over. 14 games to go and I never would count out the Steelers as a Ravens fan. The Ravens have lost to the Steelers when Charlie Batch was the QB.
Yeah but the Steelers are already in a 2 game hole. Browns are overrated with a team that will gel later but too many free agents to win for awhile. Bengals defense is awful and will not get any better this year.
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Yeah but the Steelers are already in a 2 game hole. Browns are overrated with a team that will gel later but too many free agents to win for awhile. Bengals defense is awful and will not get any better this year.
Jury is still out on the Browns. Curious to see how they play tonight against the Jets. Yeah Bengals are terrible.
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Jury is still out on the Browns. Curious to see how they play tonight against the Jets. Yeah Bengals are terrible.
I think the Browns will be good by the end of the season after free agents gel as a team but they will be too far behind to catch up to the Ravens. The Browns did lose their best O lineman and their line is weak.
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i'm thrilled ben is out for the year, team was going nowhere with him and hopefully he won't ever return and hopefully it gets tomlin fired too, though i worry they'll excuse his record this year since ben got hurt
time to start the rebuild with a new qb, coach, and gm
rudolph looked pretty good, time will tell how good he really is and i'm excited to see how it plays out, i wasn't excited at all before ben got hurt
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i'm thrilled ben is out for the year, team was going nowhere with him and hopefully he won't ever return and hopefully it gets tomlin fired too, though i worry they'll excuse his record this year since ben got hurt
time to start the rebuild with a new qb, coach, and gm
rudolph looked pretty good, time will tell how good he really is and i'm excited to see how it plays out, i wasn't excited at all before ben got hurt
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It is a great spot for Rudoph and the Steelers. He can prove his worth as a starter and if he isn't any good the Steelers will draft a QB in the draft. There are a lot of good QB's coming out next year. This is how the Steelers got Roethlesberger to start with.
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i'm thrilled ben is out for the year, team was going nowhere with him and hopefully he won't ever return and hopefully it gets tomlin fired too, though i worry they'll excuse his record this year since ben got hurt
time to start the rebuild with a new qb, coach, and gm
rudolph looked pretty good, time will tell how good he really is and i'm excited to see how it plays out, i wasn't excited at all before ben got hurt
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Ben has already gone on record saying that he intends to return for the 2020 season. He recently signed an extension that he says he will play out. I think Mason looks ok so far.
The Browns definitely have talent. Even though the Jets suck I thought the Browns looked good Monday night. OBJ showed why he's still a top 5 receiver and Myles Garrett is a monster. If Baker can cut down on the interceptions the Browns will do some damage.
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It is a great spot for Rudoph and the Steelers. He can prove his worth as a starter and if he isn't any good the Steelers will draft a QB in the draft. There are a lot of good QB's coming out next year. This is how the Steelers got Roethlesberger to start with.
Updating my own quote. Steelers trade next year's first round draft pick for safety Mikah Fitzpatrick. They are all in on Rudolph.
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All your teams suck for letting New England waltz to the AFC title game each year.
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All your teams suck for letting New England waltz to the AFC title game each year.
I see. Since you're a shitty Giants fan and you hold the distinction of beating the Patriots twice in the Superbowl, that gives you the gumption of saying that my team sucks. ::)
Need I remind you that the last time the Ravens played the Patriots in the AFC title game, the Patriots got their ass handed to them. Your team won't sniff a conference title game anytime in the near future.
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I see. Since you're a shitty Giants fan and you hold the distinction of beating the Patriots twice in the Superbowl, that gives you the gumption of saying that my team sucks. ::)
Need I remind you that the last time the Ravens played the Patriots in the AFC title game, the Patriots got their ass handed to them. Your team won't sniff a conference title game anytime in the near future.
Exactly. Which is why I need an AFC team to step up and stop these insufferable pricks.
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Exactly. Which is why I need an AFC team to step up and stop these insufferable pricks.
I didn't mean to call you 'shitty' per se....I do think the the Giants are in good hands with Jones at QB for the future.
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I didn't mean to call you 'shitty' per se....I do think the the Giants are in good hands with Jones at QB for the future.
All good - I took it as fan of a shitty team, so I didn't disagree.
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All good - I took it as fan of a shitty team, so I didn't disagree.
Now that's a good moderator! We need more participants on this thread...
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Now that's a good moderator! We need more participants on this thread...
Yessir.
I'd like it to be in the vein of the old body88 moderator days - civil discussion.
Of course, you and Earls exchanges are exempt, since they're fucking awesome.
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Yessir.
I'd like it to be in the vein of the old body88 moderator days - civil discussion.
Of course, you and Earls exchanges are exempt, since they're fucking awesome.
It's been awhile...Earl hates his Steelers nowadays so now it's no fun... :-\
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Yessir.
I'd like it to be in the vein of the old body88 moderator days - civil discussion.
Of course, you and Earls exchanges are exempt, since they're fucking awesome.
my owning days are over, sorry
i was hoping the steelers lost every game this year, but now that ben is hurt i hope rudolph looks good and can be the future, i still hope tomlin gets fired
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i wish body88 was still here, he left right before the giants beat the pats for the 2nd time
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i wish body88 was still here, he left right before the giants beat the pats for the 2nd time
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Looks to almost be 0-3 for the Steelers...But I like Mason. Poised.
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Daniel Jones era begins in spectacular fashion.
However, don't want them to win games to get a better draft pick.
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2-2 and about to go on a run!
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ok...the steelers got a win,,im excited ,maybe this kid can win some game,,defense was on fire .sack city.
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2-2 and about to go on a run!
He's unstoppable!
Conflicted if I actually want to go to Foxboro to watch them on the 10th.
Actually, I'm not, fuck going there.
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He's unstoppable!
Conflicted if I actually want to go to Foxboro to watch them on the 10th.
Actually, I'm not, fuck going there.
Looking good so far tonight against NE.
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Giggidy
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They look really good...how about the shocking 7-5 steelers all defense
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They look really good...how about the shocking 7-5 steelers all defense
Steelers will make the playoffs as the #5 or #6 seed. Mike Tomlin deserves coach of the year consideration.
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Steelers will make the playoffs as the #5 or #6 seed. Mike Tomlin deserves coach of the year consideration.
Yes, most teams completely fold when they lose their starting QB. He's lost two.
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Yes, most teams completely fold when they lose their starting QB. He's lost two.
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20 PTS PER GAME IS NOT GREAT BUT GETTING JOB DONE
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Looks like Suggs may be headed home.
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Go time
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Go time
0-1 The Raiders were amped for their first real home game in Las Vegas.
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0-1 The Raiders were amped for their first real home game in Las Vegas.
All good. Harbaugh just forgot to tell them this year the preseason ended at three games, instead of four. ;D
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All good. Harbaugh just forgot to tell them this year the preseason ended at three games, instead of four. ;D
If Balty makes the playoffs they will lose another 1st round game. Jackson can't get it done in the playoffs.
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If Balty makes the playoffs they will lose another 1st round game. Jackson can't get it done in the playoffs.
He won a game last year, and beat the chiefs two nights ago. But, I won’t completely argue with you in that he needs to get his act together. I’m glad Baltimore didn’t extend him this offseason, although it could end up being a Joe Flacco situation which wouldn’t be all that terrible.
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He won a game last year, and beat the chiefs two nights ago. But, I won’t completely argue with you in that he needs to get his act together. I’m glad Baltimore didn’t extend him this offseason, although it could end up being a Joe Flacco situation which wouldn’t be all that terrible.
I heard someone say that he worked on his accuracy all offseason. Didn't really see that in this game. But he really is a weapon overall.
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He won a game last year, and beat the chiefs two nights ago. But, I won’t completely argue with you in that he needs to get his act together. I’m glad Baltimore didn’t extend him this offseason, although it could end up being a Joe Flacco situation which wouldn’t be all that terrible.
They actually did extend him by picking up his 5th year option. He salary jumps to 23 million in 2022. The real headache is that he's being represented by his mother instead of an established agent. The NFLPA is begging him to hire an agent but he won't do it.
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They actually did extend him by picking up his 5 year option. He salary jumps to 23 million in 2022. The real headache is that he's being represented by his mother instead of an established agent. The NFLPA is begging him to hire an agent but he won't do it.
His mom is a real piece of work.
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His mom is a real piece of work.
It just doesn't make any sense to not have a reputable, experienced, and respected sports agent to represent you. He's going to be offered in the neighborhood of $250-300 million over 4-5 years and he wants to spare the expense of having an agent earn his 3-5%? It's just a stupid idea. There's specific language in those contracts that agents immediately understand and don't need to be explained to. Even though he'll have a lawyer present during negotiations, I'm sure the Ravens front office is thrilled to death to negotiate with Lamar's momma. ::)
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It just doesn't make any sense to not have a reputable, experienced, and respected sports agent to represent you. He's going to be offered in the neighborhood of $250-300 million over 4-5 years and he wants to spare the expense of having an agent earn his 3-5%? It's just a stupid idea. There's specific language in those contracts that agents immediately understand and don't need to be explained to. Even though he'll have a lawyer present during negotiations, I'm sure the Ravens front office is thrilled to death to negotiate with Lamar's momma. ::)
It's hard for a black man raised by a single mother to tell her no.
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Thread title modified to reflect this years truth.
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About to round the corner and go on a run. You heard it here first.
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About to round the corner and go on a run. You heard it here first.
They are not making the Super Bowl.
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Ravens have a good team.
Jackson is fantastic. Great tight end. Good defense.
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steelers are 2-4 now here we come... ;D
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GMen 5-1.
Stay the course, don't trade draft picks.
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Ravens have a good team.
Jackson is fantastic. Great tight end. Good defense.
They seem to always fade especially in the playoffs.
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NYG playing hard this year.
Finally got good coaches on both sides of the ball.
The GM must be good too.
If Jones and Barkley can stay healthy they might make the playoffs.
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NYG playing hard this year.
Finally got good coaches on both sides of the ball.
The GM must be good too.
If Jones and Barkley can stay healthy they might make the playoffs.
They should at this point but the division is tough this year.
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Ride Along With Wink Martindale : 'It's fun coming to work every day' | New York Giants
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GMen 5-1.
Stay the course, don't trade draft picks.
I hate you. This is the type of moderator games Shizzo talked about.
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I hate you. This is the type of moderator games Shizzo talked about.
Is that really the person you want to invoke for your argument here?
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6-1.
They've properly screwed up their draft position now.
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6-1.
They've properly screwed up their draft position now.
Why would they care? The time to win is now. Teams that are always focused on the draft usually stay terrible.
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Headed to the game next weekend. Hope they win.
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Headed to the game next weekend. Hope they win.
Would you rather play Buffalo or KC?
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Would you rather play Buffalo or KC?
My gut says KC because they’ve looked vulnerable this season and Buffalo is hot, but both of those teams are dangerous and good. I’d say it’s a coin flip. I believe Baltimore is the better team, just a matter of if they play like it. I thought Lamar was going to choke again, but came out on fire in the second half.
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My gut says KC because they’ve looked vulnerable this season and Buffalo is hot, but both of those teams are dangerous and good. I’d say it’s a coin flip. I believe Baltimore is the better team, just a matter of if they play like it. I thought Lamar was going to choke again, but came out on fire in the second half.
KC it is. Should be a good game next week. Hopefully we won't have to see that Taylor Swift kunt every other shot.
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KC / Balt is a great matchup.
KC/Buffalo did not disappoint, albeit they got sloppy at the end of the game.
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KC / Balt is a great matchup.
KC/Buffalo did not disappoint, albeit they got sloppy at the end of the game.
Watching it, with how decimated Buffalos LB corps was, I was hoping they’d pull it out at the end. Baltimore’s run d is amazing, but if the CB aren’t at full health, with Humphrey maybe out again, the passing game of KC may prove too good. I’ll see it first hand this weekend though, headed up to Baltimore for the game this weekend.
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Watching it, with how decimated Buffalos LB corps was, I was hoping they’d pull it out at the end. Baltimore’s run d is amazing, but if the CB aren’t at full health, with Humphrey maybe out again, the passing game of KC may prove too good. I’ll see it first hand this weekend though, headed up to Baltimore for the game this weekend.
Enjoy the game!
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Watching it, with how decimated Buffalos LB corps was, I was hoping they’d pull it out at the end. Baltimore’s run d is amazing, but if the CB aren’t at full health, with Humphrey maybe out again, the passing game of KC may prove too good. I’ll see it first hand this weekend though, headed up to Baltimore for the game this weekend.
Awesome that you're going to the game.
Not awesome that it's in Baltimore.
Drove through there, it was just like driving through The Wire.
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Awesome that you're going to the game.
Not awesome that it's in Baltimore.
Drove through there, it was just like driving through The Wire.
You talk like that’s a bad thing?
KC runs into a buzz saw this weekend.
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The Chiefs will be minus three fans on Sunday. :o
3 Kansas City Chiefs fans found frozen to death outside home of friend who had ‘no knowledge’ bodies were there: lawyer
By Jesse O’Neill
Updated Jan. 23, 2024
https://nypost.com/2024/01/22/news/3-kansas-city-chiefs-fans-found-frozen-outside-home-of-friend-who-had-no-knowledge-of-deaths-lawyer/
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The Chiefs will be minus three fans on Sunday. :o
3 Kansas City Chiefs fans found frozen to death outside home of friend who had ‘no knowledge’ bodies were there: lawyer
By Jesse O’Neill
Updated Jan. 23, 2024
https://nypost.com/2024/01/22/news/3-kansas-city-chiefs-fans-found-frozen-outside-home-of-friend-who-had-no-knowledge-of-deaths-lawyer/
Next year. Currently at Pickles Pub rooting on the Niners.
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Mahomes is unreal.
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Mahomes is unreal.
Their defense won that game though.
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Their defense won that game though.
Spags 3rd or 4th Superbowl as a D coordinator.
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The backdoor cover by Detroit on the last drive was the most predictable thing ever.
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Their defense won that game though.
Yes, but Mahomes was totally calm and composed, and made big plays when he had to. It never felt like the game was in doubt.
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Lamar Jackson came up small in this one.
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Yes, but Mahomes was totally calm and composed, and made big plays when he had to. It never felt like the game was in doubt.
This is true. They shot their wad last week against the Texans. This game, they just couldn’t get it together and played scared and it hit them. Their defense held them to zero points in the second half and Lamar couldn’t do shit with it. Very pathetic performance on the part of Baltimore's offense, and I’m not using that word as some bitter fanboy, just the only way to describe their play in that game.
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Lamar Jackson came up small in this one.
As always.
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This is true. They shot their wad last week against the Texans. This game, they just couldn’t get it together and played scared and it hit them. Their defense held them to zero points in the second half and Lamar couldn’t do shit with it. Very pathetic performance on the part of Baltimore's offense, and I’m not using that word as some bitter fanboy, just the only way to describe their play in that game.
Yes.
If you told be before the game KC would score 17, I would have thought for sure Baltimore would have won.
It really came down to just a few key, good plays, and a composure issue on Balt.
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Well, is it too early to change the thread title to 2024? They got Henry, I wonder if he’s got the two years left in the tank? I’ll take one year if he plays like a stud. Hopefully Keaton Mitchell is rehabbing and gets into the mix. That dude showed some serious flash. I’m keeping my fingers crossed it’s not another Dobbins situation.
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Well, is it too early to change the thread title to 2024? They got Henry, I wonder if he’s got the two years left in the tank? I’ll take one year if he plays like a stud. Hopefully Keaton Mitchell is rehabbing and gets into the mix. That dude showed some serious flash. I’m keeping my fingers crossed it’s not another Dobbins situation.
Did they trade or release Dobbins?
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Did they trade or release Dobbins?
He’s a FA. This was his last year, they didn’t pick up his fifth year option.
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He’s a FA. This was his last year, they didn’t pick up his fifth year option.
I don't think he ever played a full season. Won't be easy finding a spot.
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STEELERS get russell wilson and turn around trade dontae johnson..
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STEELERS get russell wilson and turn around trade dontae johnson..
They also traded Pickett to the Eagles.
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They also traded Pickett to the Eagles.
Yeah,,he must have pissed somebody off or wasn’t in the plan,subpar play
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Yeah,,he must have pissed somebody off or wasn’t in the plan,subpar play
He was bad. Now they have Fields and Wilson. Two bad QB's.
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He was bad. Now they have Fields and Wilson. Two bad QB's.
RUSSELL if he shows up he can still get it ,,,,i hope ;D
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RUSSELL if he shows up he can still get it ,,,,i hope ;D
I doubt he wins the starting job.
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I doubt he wins the starting job.
Tomlin already told Russell and Fields that Russell is the starter.
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Tomlin already told Russell and Fields that Russell is the starter.
Wait till he sees Wilson in practice and pre season games.
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Wait till he sees Wilson in practice and pre season games.
Why? He's clearly better than Justin Fields. He has already had a Hall of Fame career and won a Super Bowl. And he's clutch.
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Why? He's clearly better than Justin Fields. He has already had a Hall of Fame career and won a Super Bowl. And he's clutch.
He was good at one time. Did you watch him last year? He was terrible. Denver released him even though they still have to pay him 28 million dollars this year which is why Pittsburgh signed him for almost nothing (league minimum for a veteran). The Broncos tried to trade him but there were no takers.
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He was good at one time. Did you watch him last year? He was terrible. Denver released him even though they still have to pay him 28 million dollars this year which is why Pittsburgh signed him for almost nothing (league minimum for a veteran). The Broncos tried to trade him but there were no takers.
I didn't watch him last year, but I've seen him quite a bit over his career when he played the Niners. But in looking at his stats last year, he was not terrible. Not great, but not terrible.