Author Topic: A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants  (Read 2316 times)

Danny

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4630
  • The original Superman
A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
« on: July 04, 2010, 10:47:20 PM »
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128303672


July 4, 2010

As the nation's attention turns back to the fractured debate over immigration, it might be helpful to remember that in 1986, Ronald Reagan signed a sweeping immigration reform bill into law. It was sold as a crackdown: There would be tighter security at the Mexican border, and employers would face strict penalties for hiring undocumented workers.

But the bill also made any immigrant who'd entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty — a word not usually associated with the father of modern conservatism.

In his renewed push for an immigration overhaul this week, President Obama called for Republican support for a bill to address the growing population of illegal immigrants in the country. This time, however, Republicans know better than to tread near the politically toxic A-word.

Part of this aversion is due to what is widely seen as the failure of Reagan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act. However, one of the lead authors of the bill says that unlike most immigration reform efforts of the past 20 years, amnesty wasn't the pitfall.

"We used the word 'legalization,' " former Wyoming Sen. Alan K. Simpson tells NPR's Guy Raz. "And everybody fell asleep lightly for a while, and we were able to do legalization."

The law granted amnesty to nearly 3 million illegal immigrants, yet was largely considered unsuccessful because the strict sanctions on employers were stripped out of the bill for passage.

Simpson says the amnesty provision actually saved the act from being a total loss. "It's not perfect, but 2.9 million people came forward. If you can bring one person out of an exploited relationship, that's good enough for me."

Reagan And Amnesty

Nowadays, conservative commentators like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh often invoke the former president as a champion of the conservative agenda. Sean Hannity of Fox News even has a regular segment called "What Would Reagan Do?"

Simpson, however, sees a different person in the president he called a "dear friend."

Reagan "knew that it was not right for people to be abused," Simpson says. "Anybody who's here illegally is going to be abused in some way, either financially [or] physically. They have no rights."

Peter Robinson, a former Reagan speechwriter, agrees. "It was in Ronald Reagan's bones — it was part of his understanding of America — that the country was fundamentally open to those who wanted to join us here."

Reagan said as much himself in a televised debate with Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale in 1984.

"I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally," he said.

Now, Amnesty Is Out; Border Security Is In

More than 20 years later, the Republican Party has changed its tune. President Obama's call for bipartisanship on the immigration issue was answered by Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell. A bipartisan effort would be possible, he said, if Obama "would take amnesty off the table and make a real commitment to border and interior security."

But Simpson, a fellow Republican who served in the Senate with McConnell from 1986 to 1997, says calling for tighter borders is a tried-and-true tactic of politicians unwilling to confront the realities of a growing illegal population.

"That's always the palliative that makes people feel good," he says. "You just say, 'Well, we're still dinkin' around with immigration, so since we can't seem to get anything done and our constituents are raising hell — how do we get re-elected?' Well, you just put some more money into the border."

Robinson says Reagan's own diaries show the president found the idea of a militantly staffed border fence difficult to take. In a private meeting with then-President Jose Lopez Portillo of Mexico in 1979, Reagan wrote that he hoped to discuss how the United States and Mexico could make the border "something other than the location for a fence."

Fix It Before You Overhaul It

These days, Republicans are also calling for existing laws to be toughened up, which Reagan would have agreed with, Robinson says. In fact, Robinson says, he would have been so upset at the federal government's failure to make good on the 1986 reform that he would have demanded for that law to be fixed first before instituting a new overhaul.

"He, too, would have been right there in saying, 'Fix the borders first.' " Where he would have differed, Robinson says, is his welcoming attitude toward immigrants.

"He was a Californian," Robinson says. "You couldn't live in California ... without encountering over and over and over again good, hard-working, decent people — clearly recent arrivals from Mexico."

That the U.S. failed to regain control of the border — making the 1986 law's amnesty provision an incentive for others to come to America illegally — would have infuriated Reagan, Robinson says.

"But I think he would have felt taking those 3 million people and making them Americans was a success."
"What we do in life ECHOES in eternity "

240 is Back

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 102396
  • Complete website for only $300- www.300website.com
Re: A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2010, 11:40:45 PM »
Most repubs and Dems support amnesty.

They may say "I'm not in favor of amnesty!", but they will allow people who entered illegally to find a way to stay, or they will allow sanctuary cities in their state, as Romney did.

BM OUT

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 8229
  • Getbig!
Re: A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2010, 06:34:01 AM »
This was Regans biggest failure!!!

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39478
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2010, 06:40:24 AM »
Reagan's legacy is defeating the USSR, giving the country a sense of pride and dignity after the disaster of LBJ - Carter, getting the economy going again, etc.

Amnesty was the worst thing he did, and he was promisded border security, which the dems never did.   

240 is Back

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 102396
  • Complete website for only $300- www.300website.com
Re: A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2010, 10:41:34 AM »
Reagan wanted to rid the world of nukes too (like obama).

Reagan expanded the govt beaucracy greatly to creat jobs (like obama haha!)  the number of workers on the federal payroll rose by 61,000 under Reagan. (By comparison, under Clinton, the number fell by 373,000.)


Reagan also vastly expanded one of the largest federal domestic programs, Social Security.

Reagan made one of the greatest ideological about-faces in the history of the presidency, agreeing to a $165 billion bailout of Social Security.

Reagan enacted a three-year, $100 billion tax hike--the largest since World War II


So amnesty isn't the most lib thing he did... Reagan was a lot like obama, actually.


loco

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19094
  • loco like a fox
Re: A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2010, 10:50:37 AM »
Reagan's legacy is being the only divorced US president and introducing the "No Fault" divorce which made it a heck of a lot easier and quicker for married people in the US to divorce.

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39478
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2010, 10:56:31 AM »
MY GF is a divorce lawyer and said she like no-fault since it takes alot of BS out of divorce proceedings.  I converted her liberal jewish self to a fire breathing, gun shooting, libertarian. 

   

Mons Venus

  • Guest
Re: A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010, 10:05:35 AM »
Reagan wanted to rid the world of nukes too (like obama).

Reagan expanded the govt beaucracy greatly to creat jobs (like obama haha!)  the number of workers on the federal payroll rose by 61,000 under Reagan. (By comparison, under Clinton, the number fell by 373,000.)


Reagan also vastly expanded one of the largest federal domestic programs, Social Security.

Reagan made one of the greatest ideological about-faces in the history of the presidency, agreeing to a $165 billion bailout of Social Security.

Reagan enacted a three-year, $100 billion tax hike--the largest since World War II


So amnesty isn't the most lib thing he did... Reagan was a lot like obama, actually.



Hey!!! Thats the GOP's Pope you're attacking. STOP IT !!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

240 is Back

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 102396
  • Complete website for only $300- www.300website.com
Re: A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010, 08:30:09 PM »
Reagan wanted to rid the world of nukes too (like obama).

Reagan expanded the govt beaucracy greatly to creat jobs (like obama haha!)  the number of workers on the federal payroll rose by 61,000 under Reagan. (By comparison, under Clinton, the number fell by 373,000.)


Reagan also vastly expanded one of the largest federal domestic programs, Social Security.

Reagan made one of the greatest ideological about-faces in the history of the presidency, agreeing to a $165 billion bailout of Social Security.

Reagan enacted a three-year, $100 billion tax hike--the largest since World War II


So amnesty isn't the most lib thing he did... Reagan was a lot like obama, actually.


So was reagan a TRUE conservative, as so many modern day repubs portray him?

Or was he quite the moderate?

BM OUT

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 8229
  • Getbig!
Re: A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2010, 06:32:35 AM »

So was reagan a TRUE conservative, as so many modern day repubs portray him?

Or was he quite the moderate?

Reagan defeated the Soviet Union AND fools like Biden and Kennedy who fought him on every issue.Think Reagan would have allowed Iran to get nukes like Obama is?I doubt it.

Reagan dropped tax rates from 70% to 28%.Obama is about to let the Bush tax cuts expire.

Reagan created an atmosphere where 18,000,000 jobs were created by cutting taxes and getting out of the way of the private sector.Obama has spent us into oblivian and has lost 4,000,000 jobs for us.

Reagan hired more government workers because he was in a military buildup to defeat the Soviets.Obama said the 800 billion stimulus would create between 3 and 4 million jobs 90% of which would be in the private sector and 10% to save government jobs like teachers.Instead its over 90% government jobs and less then 10% jobs in the private sector and 4,000,000 lost.

Obama has created an atmosphere where the private sector sees him as and enemy,Reagan wasa seen as a friend.

Very very very different approaches to everything.Reagan was the greatest president in 50 years,Obama has surpassed Jimmy Carter as the worst.


Danny

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4630
  • The original Superman
Re: A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2010, 07:53:33 AM »
Reagan defeated the Soviet Union AND fools like Biden and Kennedy who fought him on every issue.Think Reagan would have allowed Iran to get nukes like Obama is?I doubt it.

Reagan dropped tax rates from 70% to 28%.Obama is about to let the Bush tax cuts expire.

Reagan created an atmosphere where 18,000,000 jobs were created by cutting taxes and getting out of the way of the private sector.Obama has spent us into oblivian and has lost 4,000,000 jobs for us.

Reagan hired more government workers because he was in a military buildup to defeat the Soviets.Obama said the 800 billion stimulus would create between 3 and 4 million jobs 90% of which would be in the private sector and 10% to save government jobs like teachers.Instead its over 90% government jobs and less then 10% jobs in the private sector and 4,000,000 lost.

Obama has created an atmosphere where the private sector sees him as and enemy,Reagan wasa seen as a friend.

Very very very different approaches to everything.Reagan was the greatest president in 50 years,Obama has surpassed Jimmy Carter as the worst.



Of course not he would have bombed the shit out of them right away ...afterall who the fuck are they not to listen to the mighty America ???? And you wonder why the world hates us so much.....it's because we are acting like a fucking empire telling everybody what to do when we should mind our own business.  :-\
"What we do in life ECHOES in eternity "

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39478
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2010, 07:54:32 AM »
Of course not he would have bombed the shit out of them right away ...afterall who the fuck are they not to listen to the mighty America ???? And you wonder why the world hates us so much.....it's because we are acting like a fucking empire telling everybody what to do when we should mind our own business.  :-\

It worked with Lybia.