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Title: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Europe on February 26, 2014, 04:52:41 PM
Snipers playing counter strike on real people!!  :-X Holy Phuck at 04.45!!!
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Post by: James28 on February 26, 2014, 05:00:29 PM
It's what happen when you believe the lies politicians tell you and vote thugs in to power.

No sympathy for them. Choose your candidate better.
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Post by: Nails on February 26, 2014, 05:06:18 PM
Ive seen crazier
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Post by: galeniko on February 26, 2014, 05:07:41 PM
from what date is that?
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Post by: nasht5 on February 26, 2014, 05:12:55 PM
no matter where you live in the world, this scenario is only a heartbeat away.
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Post by: MikMaq on February 26, 2014, 05:21:34 PM
who gives a shit, honestly

how is any of this relevant to my life
If it were africa or asian, this kind of reasoning would be perfectly logical. However you've just lost a million white people points.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Europe on February 26, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
from what date is that?
23 february..

who gives a shit, honestly

how is any of this relevant to my life
Ukraine isn't your typical middle-east/Africa country.
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Post by: StreetSoldier4U on February 26, 2014, 05:26:34 PM
no matter where you live in the world, this scenario is only a heartbeat away.

Americans are to fat and stupid to rebel
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Post by: pissant on February 26, 2014, 05:28:33 PM
hopefully something happens like this in America

 Imagine a president who said this:

"And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure."
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Post by: galeniko on February 26, 2014, 05:28:58 PM
its the berkut special forces.

they been canceled-dissolved now.


former president had planned to round up all protesters and just gun them down.so they say
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Post by: Wolfox on February 26, 2014, 05:32:02 PM
There's some epic fucking photos on coming out of Ukraine.

(http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_08/198151/pb-140220-priests-da-03_8cd8c21bdcd6aa848513beeed6566450.nbcnews-ux-1240-900.jpg)
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Post by: Icelord on February 26, 2014, 05:33:02 PM
Easier to pass the time throwing molotov cocktails and breaking into cars in the name of democracy than it is to work a 9-5 job and sit in traffic 3hrs a day, like they do in real countries.
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Post by: Wolfox on February 26, 2014, 05:37:11 PM
(http://rack.3.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE0LzAyLzIwLzI2LzQ3MDYxMDMyNV8xLjYyZDY2LmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTg1MHg1OTA-CmUJanBn/a733fa4b/a6d/470610325_10.jpg)
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Post by: blinky on February 26, 2014, 05:39:43 PM
свобода в Україні!
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Post by: galeniko on February 26, 2014, 05:43:42 PM
the european union wants the ukraine in.

oh brother,the cockyness, whats next will they ask russia to join ;D
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Post by: tommywishbone on February 26, 2014, 05:45:00 PM
Sure they beat, torture and murder, but they make a tasty vodka.
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Post by: MikMaq on February 26, 2014, 05:45:24 PM
i dont give two shits about most ppl, color is not matter
regardless if you wanna maintain a position in the white realm you better start showing some concern.
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Post by: Skeletor on February 26, 2014, 05:49:34 PM
(http://www.bloomberg.com/quicktake/files/2014/01/ukraine-pipelines-4.jpg)
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Post by: Mr.1derful on February 26, 2014, 06:07:58 PM
The U.S destabilizing yet another country to try install a puppet Government to do their bidding.  This is a U.S lead coup, period.  Putin out maneuvered Obama on Syria, so Obama has moved the proxy war to the Ukraine.  Cold war 2.0, but if this continues, we could be looking at a hot war soon. 
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Post by: Nails on February 26, 2014, 06:35:59 PM
"The Ukraine is weak" - kramer
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Post by: Teutonic Knight on February 27, 2014, 12:52:01 AM
who gives a shit, honestly

how is any of this relevant to my life

Possibilities:

- White vs Blacks on Cuba
- Blacks vs Whites in Belgium
 ;D
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Post by: honest on February 27, 2014, 01:20:49 AM
The U.S destabilizing yet another country to try install a puppet Government to do their bidding.  This is a U.S lead coup, period.  Putin out maneuvered Obama on Syria, so Obama has moved the proxy war to the Ukraine.  Cold war 2.0, but if this continues, we could be looking at a hot war soon. 

True,
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Post by: Irongrip400 on February 27, 2014, 07:15:25 AM
The U.S destabilizing yet another country to try install a puppet Government to do their bidding.  This is a U.S lead coup, period.  Putin out maneuvered Obama on Syria, so Obama has moved the proxy war to the Ukraine.  Cold war 2.0, but if this continues, we could be looking at a hot war soon. 

The US? Please, the Ukrainians are doing. Good job of it themselves. Split the country at the Crimea and be done with it.
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Post by: Mr.1derful on February 27, 2014, 04:18:45 PM
The US? Please, the Ukrainians are doing. Good job of it themselves. Split the country at the Crimea and be done with it.

Then why are CIA operatives on the ground there inciting the rioting?  Why was insane John McCain there stirring things up?  This is another attempt to isolate Russia.  Well, Russia is not Iraq or Libya.  Putin will not allow the Ukraine to slip into the hands of the EU and USA. 
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Post by: Knooger on February 27, 2014, 05:24:42 PM
 :)
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Post by: Red Hook on February 27, 2014, 05:49:31 PM
Snipers playing counter strike on real people!!  :-X Holy Phuck at 04.45!!!



from :20-30 is classic Halo with Sniper riffles
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Post by: thebrink on February 27, 2014, 08:23:26 PM
The U.S destabilizing yet another country to try install a puppet Government to do their bidding.  This is a U.S lead coup, period.  Putin out maneuvered Obama on Syria, so Obama has moved the proxy war to the Ukraine.  Cold war 2.0, but if this continues, we could be looking at a hot war soon. 

X2. The timing of this is too perfect..
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Post by: honest on February 27, 2014, 09:00:28 PM
Putin knows you dont have to beat uncle sam, you just have to run up enough casualties and they will leave and go exploit, I mean liberate someone else.
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Post by: O.Z. on February 27, 2014, 09:18:25 PM
There's some epic fucking photos on coming out of Ukraine.

(http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_08/198151/pb-140220-priests-da-03_8cd8c21bdcd6aa848513beeed6566450.nbcnews-ux-1240-900.jpg)

Undertaker
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: O.Z. on February 27, 2014, 09:23:39 PM
Ukraine is falling apart, Krim will announce independence soon and join Russia, some other parts of Eastern Ukraine will do the same.
Russia will not give any money to current government, US&EU don't have any, gas prices going up, their currency is going down at fast pace...
They cannot survive without help from Russia. Morons.
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Post by: Shockwave on February 27, 2014, 09:29:12 PM
So many things wrong in that video. .... wonder what their objective was, they were jjst sittinf in the open exposed while they got lit up.... thed didnt push forward nor did they fall back, or flank.. just sat, hoping those pathetic shields would stop a rifle round.

wtf.

brass balls though.
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Post by: Icelord on February 27, 2014, 09:31:22 PM
Savages, man.

America is such a superior country by comparison.
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Post by: Shockwave on February 27, 2014, 09:34:14 PM
Savages, man.

America is such a superior country by comparison.
gotta respect them for going out fhere and fighting for what they believe in.

hell, our own NSA is now involved in watching webcams, but yet we sit and smile while the g9v tells us they dont spy on us and its for our own good.

im starting to wonder which country are REALLY run by savages...
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Post by: Icelord on February 27, 2014, 09:35:30 PM
gotta respect them for going out fhere and fighting for what they believe in.

hell, our own NSA is now involved in watching webcams, but yet we sit and smile while the g9v tells us they dont spy on us and its for our own good.

im starting to wonder which country are REALLY run by savages...
That's what I mean.

Our security services are so advanced and our mainstream media is so omnipotent that our people are basically completely pacified, except for the occasional school shooting. It rocks being in government in this country.
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Post by: thebrink on February 27, 2014, 09:40:37 PM
Savages, man.

America is such a superior country by comparison.

You think American soldiers wouldn't shoot at civilians if protesting like this got out of hand? Our government is not above this, they just haven't had a reason to do it yet.
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Post by: Icelord on February 27, 2014, 09:51:22 PM
You think American soldiers wouldn't shoot at civilians if protesting like this got out of hand? Our government is not above this, they just haven't had a reason to do it yet.
And they never will. Because we're led by superior leaders.
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Post by: alabama ftw on February 27, 2014, 09:53:25 PM
You think American soldiers wouldn't shoot at civilians if protesting like this got out of hand? Our government is not above this, they just haven't had a reason to do it yet.
Paranoia of peace!
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Post by: Icelord on February 27, 2014, 09:58:53 PM
Paranoia of peace!
Also: Americans are armed. Heavily, in some cases. Big difference.
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Post by: WalterWhite on February 27, 2014, 10:14:50 PM
Also: Americans are armed. Heavily, in some cases. Big difference.

And people keep quiet about it.  The estimates range from the mid 200M to well over 400m guns in the US.  Also in the last five years assault rifles have become more popular than ever.


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Post by: Icelord on February 27, 2014, 10:15:59 PM
And people keep quiet about it.  The estimates range from the mid 200M to well over 400m guns in the US.  Also in the last five years assault rifles have become more popular than ever.



I love that about Americans. As soon as there's a shooting, or a terrorist threat, or too many black or hispanic people moving into the neighborhood
off they go to the local sporting goods store to buy 5 glocks and 10 semi-auto bushmasters.
and a case of ammo from Walmart
haha
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Post by: WalterWhite on February 27, 2014, 10:22:04 PM
I love that about Americans. As soon as there's a shooting, or a terrorist threat, or too many black or hispanic people moving into the neighborhood
off they go to the local sporting goods store to buy 5 glocks and 10 semi-auto bushmasters.
and a case of ammo from Walmart
haha

And that's no joke!  I lived in NH for a long time and there were three gun shops on the way to the gym.  Guys would show off their latest assault rifles in the parking lot and I didn't know anyone who was not armed.
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Post by: Icelord on February 27, 2014, 10:25:06 PM
And that's no joke!  I lived in NH for a long time and there were three gun shops on the way to the gym.  Guys would show off their latest assault rifles in the parking lot and I didn't know anyone who was not armed.
(http://www.customrugco.com/images/AmericanFlagGIF.gif)
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Post by: Skeletor on February 27, 2014, 11:11:52 PM
Now things got real: Valuev arrived in Sevastopol.

(http://dubsism.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/nikolai-valuev2.jpg)

“I arrived in Sevastopol to support residents of Crimea. Friends, Russia is with you!” Valuev wrote on Twitter.
He also tweeted that there was an ongoing “information war” about events in Ukraine, and said he was there to find out what was happening on the ground.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140227/187942549/Star-Russian-Parliamentarians-Arrive-in-Crimea.html


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Post by: Europe on February 28, 2014, 02:30:50 AM
Crimea Airports occupied in Ukraine, happening right now!!


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Post by: BigCyp on February 28, 2014, 02:35:36 AM
So what, we beat Ukraine's FC Dnipro last night 3-1 at the Lane and got through to the last 16....and I was there BOOM  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Europe on February 28, 2014, 03:09:01 AM
That's what I mean.

Our security services are so advanced and our mainstream media is so omnipotent that our people are basically completely pacified, except for the occasional school shooting. It rocks being in government in this country.
I don't know if your exposing the US gov. or taking pride?! It's like saying Bankers and Politicians are ass-raping my mother and I give them nice pat on their back. US government is in crisis for a long time now. I'm not american but I'll support Jesse Ventura from all your possible candidates!!
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Post by: Mr.1derful on February 28, 2014, 03:19:30 AM
Savages, man.

America is such a superior country by comparison.

Let me know how that "superiority" compares when the U.S economy collapses and martial law is declared, with rampant civil unrest gripping the country.
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Post by: BigCyp on February 28, 2014, 03:22:09 AM
Let me know how that "superiority" compares when the U.S economy collapses and martial law is declared, with rampant civil unrest gripping the country.

People seem to forget that History has cycles of power, natural shifts which sometimes takes hundreds of years. America has only been a superpower for 1.5 centuries...i'm sure the Turks/Greeks/Syrians felt invincible at some point but look at them now.

Realistically America will experience a huge power shift in the next century.
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Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 03:29:57 AM
Hello boys.

Rossiya has allegedly took over the airports in Crimea, Ukraine.
And indeed, these guys surely don't look like some random demonstrators?


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26379722

Ukraine crisis: 'Russians occupy' Crimea airports


(http://vi.ill.in.ua/m/950x0/771281.jpg)

(http://vi.ill.in.ua/m/950x0/771282.jpg)

(http://vi.ill.in.ua/m/950x0/771283.jpg)

(http://vi.ill.in.ua/m/950x0/771284.jpg)

(http://vi.ill.in.ua/m/950x0/771280.jpg)



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Post by: Parker on February 28, 2014, 03:33:40 AM
People seem to forget that History has cycles of power, natural shifts which sometimes takes hundreds of years. America has only been a superpower for 1.5 centuries...i'm sure the Turks/Greeks/Syrians felt invincible at some point but look at them now.

Realistically America will experience a huge power shift in the next century.
Exactly...
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Post by: Rami on February 28, 2014, 03:35:50 AM
Americans are to fat and stupid to rebel

not only that, rebelling requires turning off the TV and getting off the couch, and so is an impossibility in USA.

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Post by: TrueGrit on February 28, 2014, 03:39:17 AM
You think American soldiers wouldn't shoot at civilians if protesting like this got out of hand? Our government is not above this, they just haven't had a reason to do it yet.

Happened in the Vietnam war.
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Post by: Europe on February 28, 2014, 03:47:32 AM
not only that, rebelling requires turning off the TV and getting off the couch, and so is an impossibility in USA.


I might add that 90% of the current/young generation is like this(including 99% getbig)
(http://funnyinternetmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Anon-Meme-Living-The-Dream-Without-a-Care-In-The-World.png)
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Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 04:01:30 AM
Oh man, looks like no one is innocent in this mess ;D


In the final months, the documents show, Mr. Yanukovych’s government reached out to a former deputy director of Russia’s military intelligence service in planning the crackdown on protesters. Years earlier, they show, the government paid American legal advisers for opinions that would justify to the West the prosecution of Yulia V. Tymoshenko, a former prime minister and the president’s chief political opponent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/world/europe/a-prize-catch-for-ukrainians-at-a-boat-harbor-an-ousted-presidents-secrets.html?_r=2
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Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 04:08:15 AM
We will hear "the man" soon. Should be interesting.
I predict he takes his loss, buys a dacha somewhere in Siberia and we will never hear from him again.

11:54: Viktor Yanukovych has landed at the military airport in Rostov-on-Don, southern Russia, his plane escorted by fighter jets, local news agency DonInformBuro reports. He is due to give a news conference shortly.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26380336
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Post by: Europe on February 28, 2014, 04:18:59 AM
Ukrainian radical nationalist leader Aleksandr Muzychko rampages on the state's attorney general!


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Post by: StreetSoldier4U on February 28, 2014, 05:24:53 AM
not only that, rebelling requires turning off the TV and getting off the couch, and so is an impossibility in USA.



Yes, sir.  Mediocrity has become the norm.  As long as we have our large sugar beverages and reality tv what's the point of ever leaving the house. 
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Post by: Icelord on February 28, 2014, 08:33:42 AM
Let me know how that "superiority" compares when the U.S economy collapses and martial law is declared, with rampant civil unrest gripping the country.
Will never happen.
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Post by: headhuntersix on February 28, 2014, 08:36:58 AM
People seem to forget that History has cycles of power, natural shifts which sometimes takes hundreds of years. America has only been a superpower for 1.5 centuries...i'm sure the Turks/Greeks/Syrians felt invincible at some point but look at them now.

Realistically America will experience a huge power shift in the next century.

More like 50......a major regional power since maybe 1890's. We shouldn't have to face a power shift...we can create all our own energy, plenty of raw materials and a manufacturing base. But we've let some of that slide and the population are increasingly undereducated.
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Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 10:33:33 AM
Gets interesting:

18:07: At least five Russian Il-76 planes have landed at a military airport in Gvardiysky, near Simferopol, Ukraine Ukrainska Pravda internet newspaper reports citing eyewitnesses. Reports also say a column of Russian armoured personnel carriers is heading towards Simferopol.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26380336


They are there either to evacuate or bringing more equipment...
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Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 10:55:46 AM


Love this!  Operation Ukraina Freedom  8)

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Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 11:06:18 AM

UN security council to hold emergency meeting!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/28/us-ukraine-crisis-un-idUSBREA1R1M920140228



USA again warns invasion would be a mistake. Cum on, American brothers! You have had Iraq, Afganistan and all. Russia just got Georgia in the past 20 years! It's hungry too!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/28/us-ukraine-crisis-obama-idUSBREA1R1LL20140228
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Post by: headhuntersix on February 28, 2014, 11:34:47 AM
We'll do nothing.....besides I want to watch Russian junk kill Russian junk...
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Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 12:13:53 PM
We'll do nothing.....besides I want to watch Russian junk kill Russian junk...

I know that much  ;D

And there's hardly any killing to take place. Russian forces seem to come and go as they please. There's no one in Ukraine to fight Russia besides few random neo-nazis.
I love these real time updates:

#BREAKING 2,000 Russian soldiers land in "armed invasion" of Crimea: Kiev official

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/439487242252582912
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Post by: Tito24 on February 28, 2014, 12:23:25 PM
i bet ronnie coleman can make an end to this
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Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 12:25:53 PM
i bet ronnie coleman can make an end to this

Americans should send him as a negotiator  ;D
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Post by: headhuntersix on February 28, 2014, 12:36:48 PM
I know that much  ;D

And there's hardly any killing to take place. Russian forces seem to come and go as they please. There's no one in Ukraine to fight Russia besides few random neo-nazis.
I love these real time updates:

#BREAKING 2,000 Russian soldiers land in "armed invasion" of Crimea: Kiev official

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/439487242252582912


I am kinda going to enjoy this..I love the Russian military, as dysfunctional as it is. They were a friggen disaster in Georgia despite winning and Chechnya has been a crapshoot. Unless some Ukrainian ultranationalist general decides to go for it...should end with a whimper.
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Post by: thebrink on February 28, 2014, 01:54:13 PM
Paranoia of peace!

One must count on oneself of peace!
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Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 02:07:29 PM
LIVE: Mr. Oubama speaking now!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26380336
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Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 02:10:24 PM
^^WOW, that was short!
Didn't answer any single question from press. Just walked away quickly. Maybe he was in hurry to see Arnold Classic?
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Post by: Roger Bacon on February 28, 2014, 02:46:51 PM
Snipers playing counter strike on real people!!  :-X Holy Phuck at 04.45!!!


It's real nice what the EU and US are instigating there...  ::)
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Post by: Roger Bacon on February 28, 2014, 02:48:18 PM
Then why are CIA operatives on the ground there inciting the rioting?  Why was insane John McCain there stirring things up?  This is another attempt to isolate Russia.  Well, Russia is not Iraq or Libya.  Putin will not allow the Ukraine to slip into the hands of the EU and USA. 

Crazy ass McCain is still pissed at Putin over Syria.
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Post by: pluck on February 28, 2014, 03:01:54 PM
Let me know how that "superiority" compares when the U.S economy collapses and martial law is declared, with rampant civil unrest gripping the country.

The US Economy can collapse all day long. That still wouldn't be the spark.

In order for people to get out into the streets and actually do some kind of violent protest against the government there would have to be empty shelves at the local grocery store, tv/internet service would have to be interrupted.

That shit would last for a couple of days and then all the protestors would be considered domestic terrorists and throw into FEMA prisons to rot for a while and then trying to fight cases against the federal government. The rest would be mowed down by our military.

Simpletons can't fathom American military killing its own citizens. And they're right.
The media/government would label these citizens as terrorists and then all bets are off.
People would have no problem killing terrorists.

Look what happened in Boston after marathon bomber. Martial law was created. Without warrants cops swept every house with minimal protest. People took that right up their ass.

For the few that have the intelligence to actually make a half assed attempt at succeeding, the government would just cut off their way of communicating via text/cell/internet. Then it would be all over.
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Post by: pluck on February 28, 2014, 03:04:29 PM
Look at what happened at the G8 summit in Chicago few years ago. They arrested 3 dumbass 20somethings and tried to prosecute them as terrorists. They ended up getting an arson charge or something for molotov cocktails.

Also remember the dumbass 99% protests? Those dumbasses just went camping in parks in major cities. People can't even protest the right way anymore! HAHAHAH
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Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 03:05:48 PM
Crazy ass McCain is still pissed at Putin over Syria.

No, his hate has much deeper roots.

Mccain was captured in Vietnam and kept as war prisoner. Let's bear in mind Soviet Union's KGB was the main instructor of Vietnam during the day. They provided intelligence, advice etc.
Putin represents everything John hates: former KGB officer, committed to re-create strong Russia etc.

Here we can see some Soviet advisers posing with Vietnamese in front of Soviet supplied air defence missile:
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll36/AllNY/Vietnam/Vietnam1.jpg)
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Post by: Roger Bacon on February 28, 2014, 03:07:15 PM
No, his hate has much deeper roots.

Mccain was captured in Vietnam and kept as war prisoner. Let's bear in mind Soviet Union's KGB was the main instructor of Vietnam during the day. They provided intelligence, advice etc.
Putin represents everything John hates: former KGB officer, committed to re-create strong Russia etc.

Here we can see some Soviet advisers posing with Vietnamese in front of Soviet supplied air defence missile  8)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll36/AllNY/Vietnam/Vietnam1.jpg)

So John McCain wants to fight alongside terrorists in Syria just to get back at Putin?  :-X
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Post by: headhuntersix on February 28, 2014, 03:09:47 PM
No, his hate has much deeper roots.

Mccain was captured in Vietnam and kept as war prisoner. Let's bear in mind Soviet Union's KGB was the main instructor of Vietnam during the day. They provided intelligence, advice etc.
Putin represents everything John hates: former KGB officer, committed to re-create strong Russia etc.

Here we can see some Soviet advisers posing with Vietnamese in front of Soviet supplied air defence missile:
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll36/AllNY/Vietnam/Vietnam1.jpg)


McCain wanted to get involved in Chechnya in the 90's. He hates them.....hates them..unhinged hate
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: _bruce_ on February 28, 2014, 03:10:21 PM
The U.S destabilizing yet another country to try install a puppet Government to do their bidding.  This is a U.S lead coup, period.  Putin out maneuvered Obama on Syria, so Obama has moved the proxy war to the Ukraine.  Cold war 2.0, but if this continues, we could be looking at a hot war soon. 

Pretty much - they're getting heat from east and west.
Lots of hired guns on both sides.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: headhuntersix on February 28, 2014, 03:11:17 PM
The US Economy can collapse all day long. That still wouldn't be the spark.

In order for people to get out into the streets and actually do some kind of violent protest against the government there would have to be empty shelves at the local grocery store, tv/internet service would have to be interrupted.

That shit would last for a couple of days and then all the protestors would be considered domestic terrorists and throw into FEMA prisons to rot for a while and then trying to fight cases against the federal government. The rest would be mowed down by our military.

Simpletons can't fathom American military killing its own citizens. And they're right.
The media/government would label these citizens as terrorists and then all bets are off.
People would have no problem killing terrorists.

Look what happened in Boston after marathon bomber. Martial law was created. Without warrants cops swept every house with minimal protest. People took that right up their ass.

For the few that have the intelligence to actually make a half assed attempt at succeeding, the government would just cut off their way of communicating via text/cell/internet. Then it would be all over.

Good post...where I disagree is that I'm more scared of Federal and state law enforcement then the US military turning on its citizens.
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Post by: thebrink on February 28, 2014, 03:12:16 PM
The US Economy can collapse all day long. That still wouldn't be the spark.

In order for people to get out into the streets and actually do some kind of violent protest against the government there would have to be empty shelves at the local grocery store, tv/internet service would have to be interrupted.

That shit would last for a couple of days and then all the protestors would be considered domestic terrorists and throw into FEMA prisons to rot for a while and then trying to fight cases against the federal government. The rest would be mowed down by our military.

Simpletons can't fathom American military killing its own citizens. And they're right.
The media/government would label these citizens as terrorists and then all bets are off.
People would have no problem killing terrorists.

Look what happened in Boston after marathon bomber. Martial law was created. Without warrants cops swept every house with minimal protest. People took that right up their ass.

For the few that have the intelligence to actually make a half assed attempt at succeeding, the government would just cut off their way of communicating via text/cell/internet. Then it would be all over.

paranoia of peace!


 ;D
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 28, 2014, 03:14:35 PM


I hope Putin continues to keep these globalist dick heads in check.
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Post by: Roger Bacon on February 28, 2014, 03:19:13 PM
On Ukraine, Putin holds all the cards and dictates the timetable

If Russia invades Ukraine, the timing may be determined by the situation on the ground in Moscow more than the streets of Kiev and Simferopol.

By Anshel Pfeffer   | Feb. 27, 2014 | 9:03 PM

When will we know the Russians have invaded Ukraine? We won’t. Unlike the summer of 2008 when paratroop brigades crossed the border into Georgia’s sovereign territory under the pretext of aiding the Ossetian minority, marines of the Russian Black Sea Fleet are already stationed on Ukrainian soil. The agreement between the two countries not only allows warships to be based at the port of Sevastopol, but also for Russian military vehicles to traverse the Crimean peninsula.

Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov did call upon the Kremlin not to allow its forces to leave the naval base, but an armored convoy had already travelled the 80 kilometers between Sevastopol and the regional capital Simferopol, stopping outside the town at a traffic police checkpoint. As it is, the Russians do not recognize Turchynov and his interim government. With perfect timing, Russian television broadcast Thursday morning the first statement by deposed president Viktor Yanukovych since he fled Kiev last weekend. The mystery of his whereabouts is over: He succeeded somehow in crossing over to Russia, which has given him sanctuary and from there he is questioning the legitimacy of those who currently – barely – hold power.

Read more: www.haaretz.com/news/world/.premium-1.576927
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 03:21:21 PM
So John McCain wants to fight alongside terrorists in Syria just to get back at Putin?  :-X

I think he is just stuck in the past. As is Putin himself to some degree. And many other politicians their age - especially those with military or intelligence background for obvious reasons.
McCain seems to hate communism from his heart. Assad's Syria is basically the last relic of "Socialist Arab proxys". It was very close to USSR back in the day. He wants it gone.
As if it would matter in todays world anyways. Communism has been dead for decades now. But I think it's the ghost of it that is in his head.
Plus he's somewhat a showman. And sure, he sees it possible and justified to make sure Russia never gains back its influence.
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Post by: Roger Bacon on February 28, 2014, 03:28:27 PM
I think he is just stuck in the past. As is Putin himself to some degree. And many other politicians their age - especially those with military or intelligence background for obvious reasons.
McCain seems to hate communism from his heart. Assad's Syria is basically the last relic of "Socialist Arab proxys". It was very close to USSR back in the day. He wants it gone.
As if it would matter in todays world anyways. Communism has been dead for decades now. But I think it's the ghost of it that is in his head.
Plus he's somewhat a showman. And sure, he sees it possible and justified to make sure Russia never gains back its influence.

Well, I was very happy Putin saved the US from intervening.  8)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: headhuntersix on February 28, 2014, 03:30:09 PM
I assume those are Russian Marines...or "Russian Naval Infantry" at the airport. Their uniforms are different then the Army...with the newer helmets. That place will be a goldmine for a collector.

Interesting to see if this shit gets away from Putin.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 03:35:44 PM

Haha, "pro-Russia demonstrators" captured the Crimean parliament building last night... One damn mob knowing what they are doing.. or trained soldiers  ;D

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Post by: Europe on February 28, 2014, 03:42:07 PM
Russian warships arriving in Cuba, Iranian warship 50 miles off the U.S., and Chinese warships near Hawaii.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/russia-spy-ship-docks-havana-cuba

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/10/iran-warships-threat-to-usa-coast/5365335/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-25426245
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on February 28, 2014, 03:43:35 PM
I assume those are Russian Marines...or "Russian Naval Infantry" at the airport. Their uniforms are different then the Army...with the newer helmets. That place will be a goldmine for a collector.

Interesting to see if this shit gets away from Putin.

Yep, naval infantry most likely. Maybe spiced up with some GRU officers.

(http://i60.tinypic.com/169hk6c.jpg)
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Post by: headhuntersix on February 28, 2014, 03:59:48 PM
The Naval Infantry of the Russian Navy includes the 55th Naval Infantry Division of the Russian Pacific Fleet (55-я Дивизия Морской пехоты Тихоокеанского Флота), the independent brigades of the Northern and Baltic Fleets and of the Caspian Military Flotilla, and the independent regiment of the Black Sea Fleet. The main Arctic base of the Northern Fleet infantry is called Sputnik.

In 1994, Exercise "Cooperation from the Sea" was conducted, in and around Vladivostok, with the U.S. III Marine Expeditionary Force, to foster a closer relationship between the Russian Naval Infantry and the United States Marine Corps. U.S. Marines and Russian Naval Infantry conducted their first exercise on U.S. soil the following year, in Hawaii. "Cooperation From the Sea 1995" was a maritime disaster relief exercise, which included cross training and personnel exchanges, and culminated in a combined amphibious landing of U.S. and Russian marines. The purpose of the exercise was to improve interoperability, cooperation and understanding between U.S. and Russian personnel.

In 1998, the 22nd Motor Rifle Division, Far East Military District, at Petropavlovsk-Kamchatka, was transferred to the Pacific Fleet. In 2000 the division became the 40th Independent Motor Rifle Brigade, and on 1 September 2007 the 40th Naval Infantry Brigade (40 отд. Краснодарско-Харбинская дважды Краснознаменная бригада морской пехоты).

From 2000 onwards, the Caspian Flotilla included a new naval infantry brigade, the 77th, based at Kaspiysk. The headquarters and two battalions of the brigade were scheduled to be established by August 1, 2000.[2] It was reported by Agenstvo Voyenniykh Novostyei (AVN) in June 2000 that the new brigade, which may have inherited the lineage of the 77th Motor Rifle Division,[3][4] was to have its troops housed in Kaspiysk and Astrakhan, along with as many as 195 combat vehicles and two hovercraft sent to it from Chukotka and the Northern Fleet, respectively. The brigade was also reported to have had helicopters assigned to it.


Minor air...some armor...artillery..ADA.. and those hovercraft things.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 04:14:12 AM

RUS has now moved to secure city of Kerch and Kerch strait too which is a key route to Azov sea:



(http://i61.tinypic.com/96f05x.jpg)


RUS also blocked Ukrainian military base in the area. No reported resistance.
(http://i.imgur.com/2E4gGpr.jpg)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 04:42:11 AM
Ukrainian "navy" is fleeing the ports as liberation of naval bases has apparently began!

12.23pm GMT
Kiev-based Unian report some more worrying developments.
The State Border Guard Service of Ukraine said that about 300 soldiers are trying to capture a Sevastopol naval bases. Ukrainian ships have ordered to sea.
It is not clear if weapons are being fired or if there are any injuries.



Not looking good for those Ukrainian fellas:

Reuters report that Ukraine is unlikely to receive financial assistance from the International Monetary Fund before April according to Ukrainian Finance Minister Oleksander Shlapak.
Ukraine, which faces a further $6 billion in foreign debt payments this year, has asked the IMF for financial assistance of at least $15 billion. An IMF team is expected in Kiev next week.



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/01/crimea-crisis-deepens-as-russia-and-ukraine-ready-forces-live-updates
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Post by: Mr.1derful on March 01, 2014, 05:17:43 AM
The US Economy can collapse all day long. That still wouldn't be the spark.

In order for people to get out into the streets and actually do some kind of violent protest against the government there would have to be empty shelves at the local grocery store, tv/internet service would have to be interrupted.


This will follow in very short order during the collapse, don't kid yourself.
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Post by: StreetSoldier4U on March 01, 2014, 05:40:40 AM
This will follow in very short order during the collapse, don't kid yourself.

Ghettos folks will burn down their own ghetto neighborhoods.  With public transportation not running they won't ever make it to my neck of the woods.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 05:44:29 AM
Just keeping it updated while waiting to see men in thong.


Rossiya moving to city of Balaklava (love the camera there, looks like they are filming a movie or something there  ;D )
(http://i.imgur.com/HhEHprM.jpg)

Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 06:04:47 AM
In mother russia the president acts first and asks permission later  ;D

Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP  15 min
#BREAKING: Putin asks Russia's upper house of parliament for approval to use armed forces in Ukraine


When the enemy is weak (non-existent), there's time for some PR  8)
(http://i.imgur.com/skvwhkn.jpg)


More: pro-Russia demonstrators have raised the flag of Russia over the city of Donetsk too! This is happening fast..
(http://i.imgur.com/Xng3Bqb.jpg)
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Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 06:56:35 AM
In mother russia the president acts first and asks permission later  ;D

Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP  15 min
#BREAKING: Putin asks Russia's upper house of parliament for approval to use armed forces in Ukraine



And the answer just came:

2.46pm GMT
The upper house of the Russian parliament unanimously approved President Putin’s request to use armed forces in defence of Russians and Russian interests, anywhere in the territory of Ukraine.


Hoooly shit, interesting to see how far they decide to go.
IMO the Baltics should be liberated now too while they are at it.

The Russians are back in town
(http://i.imgur.com/XzTbdN2.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/M4Dn8E1.jpg)


Ukrainian special police forces (Berkut) are switching sides in some locations. Here former Ukrainian officers are securing the Russian road check point. In background one can see Russian, Crimean and Russian naval flags
(http://i.imgur.com/xwZeXoT.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/2cz34at.jpg)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Europe on March 01, 2014, 07:09:10 AM
More: pro-Russia demonstrators have raised the flag of Russia over the city of Donetsk too! This is happening fast..
(http://i.imgur.com/Xng3Bqb.jpg)


uh oh...
(http://i.imgur.com/jJ4zlPE.jpg)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 07:46:49 AM
Former members of Ukrainian police special forces have started to receive Russian passports.
Here are the first gentlemen who refused to serve Ukrainian puppet government and are now under Russian protection:
(http://i.imgur.com/iSPpy3U.jpg)

Russian consul in Sevastopol granting the rapidly issued passports.
(http://i.imgur.com/AZ7jYpf.jpg)
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Post by: Nomad on March 01, 2014, 07:48:57 AM
Ukrainian "navy" is fleeing the ports as liberation of naval bases has apparently began!

12.23pm GMT
Kiev-based Unian report some more worrying developments.
The State Border Guard Service of Ukraine said that about 300 soldiers are trying to capture a Sevastopol naval bases. Ukrainian ships have ordered to sea.
It is not clear if weapons are being fired or if there are any injuries.



Not looking good for those Ukrainian fellas:

Reuters report that Ukraine is unlikely to receive financial assistance from the International Monetary Fund before April according to Ukrainian Finance Minister Oleksander Shlapak.
Ukraine, which faces a further $6 billion in foreign debt payments this year, has asked the IMF for financial assistance of at least $15 billion. An IMF team is expected in Kiev next week.



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/01/crimea-crisis-deepens-as-russia-and-ukraine-ready-forces-live-updates


dumbasses. Did Ukraine really expect IMF money right away? HAhahahaha
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 07:57:12 AM
Fuck Western Ukraine Nazis.....time for Russia to take back it's land and people.
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Post by: galeniko on March 01, 2014, 08:11:43 AM
haha putin shitting all over these wannabe fascist clown in kiew.


they kiew cunnts should come to krim for some fun.


Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 08:16:35 AM
haha putin shitting all over these wannabe fascist clown in kiew.


they kiew cunnts should come to krim for some fun.




HEY KIEV....
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 08:25:12 AM
Klitchko (opportunist presidential candidate) has called for "general mobilization" of Ukrainian armed forces  ;D ;D

LOL wut, their police forces are receiving Russian passports, their "navy" fled the ports, state accounts were just recently revealed to be completely empty... rumor has it they don't have kerosene for fighters...

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Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 08:27:05 AM
Klitchko is a moron who's taken a few too many to the dome.....lol
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Post by: galeniko on March 01, 2014, 08:29:35 AM
putin reduced the gas supply very smart move.

half the ukraine armed forces are russians.

lol wht did those clowns in kv think, they didnt think this through.

Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 08:33:26 AM
Charkow Donetsk Krim welcome the new Russian regions.....lol
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 08:35:44 AM
No Euro countries will oppose this...Obama once again will look like a moron eunuch sucking on a Russian pole....
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 11:50:54 AM
Pro-Russia demonstrators took the city of Kharkiv as well today.
In video Kiev supporters are beaten and made to crawl in front of the crowd, while crowd looks like it is thirsty for blood :

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26400276



Situation:
(http://i.imgur.com/yK9Y5W5.jpg)
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Post by: WannaBePro on March 01, 2014, 11:59:24 AM
Fuck Western Ukraine Nazis.....time for Russia to take back it's land and people.

Because its Ukraine invading Russia and trying to "take back what's theirs", right?
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Post by: tom joad on March 01, 2014, 12:02:30 PM
Russia and eastern Ukraine are a joke haha; they can have one another.
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Post by: WannaBePro on March 01, 2014, 12:06:12 PM
Russia and eastern Ukraine are a joke haha; they can have one another.

X2. The best case scenario I can see is splitting Ukraine into 2, most eastern Ukrainians are very pro-Russia anyway and would gladly become Russians. The rest of Ukraine could do what they will, join EU, not join EU, whatever they decide. Its not an ideal situation, but at this point there are no ideal situations.
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Post by: tom joad on March 01, 2014, 12:17:48 PM
My maternal grandparents were Ukrainian.  I travelled all around Ukraine a few years ago (Lviv, Odessa, Kharkiv etc.) and then got a nice apartment in Kiev for a few months and partied there.  Eastern Ukraine is gloomy, dreary and depressing as hell, and the majority speak Russian and don't give a shit about an independent Ukraine.  So if the miserable East wants to join Russia, then good riddance.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 12:19:18 PM
Because its Ukraine invading Russia and trying to "take back what's theirs", right?

You a just a little a stupid?
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: WannaBePro on March 01, 2014, 12:28:30 PM
You a just a little a stupid?

Explain?
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 12:48:28 PM
My maternal grandparents were Ukrainian.  I travelled all around Ukraine a few years ago (Lviv, Odessa, Kharkiv etc.) and then got a nice apartment in Kiev for a few months and partied there.  Eastern Ukraine is gloomy, dreary and depressing as hell, and the majority speak Russian and don't give a shit about an independent Ukraine.  So if the miserable East wants to join Russia, then good riddance.

Although Eastern parts of the country are the only ones producing something.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 12:54:03 PM
Ukrainian forces are putting up fierce resistance  ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/4JtYzpz.jpg)


Earlier today in Donetsk.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 12:59:50 PM
Explain?

Russia is only reclaiming its historic lands and protecting ethnic Russians.....not invading anything. You make it sound like the residents of Krim don't want Russia's help, but they desperately do.
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Post by: alabama ftw on March 01, 2014, 01:07:54 PM
Russia is only reclaiming its historic lands and protecting ethnic Russians.....not invading anything. You make it sound like the residents of Krim don't want Russia's help, but they desperately do.
What would you say if Sweden, Germany or the the UK would do that?
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: WannaBePro on March 01, 2014, 01:23:16 PM
Russia is only reclaiming its historic lands and protecting ethnic Russians.....not invading anything. You make it sound like the residents of Krim don't want Russia's help, but they desperately do.

Really? Then if the UK invaded the US to "protect ethnic brits" then its cool, right? Of course not. Ukraine has Turks, Russians, Poles, among other ethnic groups. Should Turkey and Poland attack and reclaim their ethnic people? And what about different ethnic groups that live in Russia, should they be "liberated" and have the "land taken back" by the countries they were originally conquered from?
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 01:25:31 PM
Are you mongering bitches Americans or what?
Come on, you guys love teaching smaller kids a lesson and "protecting your national interests". Why cry now?

And Russia haven't had even need to bombard anyone yet. Quite the opposite. Even Ukrainian police force is willingly joining Russia as seen earlier.


(http://i.imgur.com/R0wRj3U.jpg)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: WannaBePro on March 01, 2014, 01:31:07 PM
Are you mongering bitches Americans or what?
Come on, you guys love teaching smaller kids a lesson and "protecting your national interests". Why cry now?

And Russia haven't had even need to bombard anyone yet. Quite the opposite. Even Ukrainian police force is willingly joining Russia as seen earlier.


Haha Ukraine reminds me of Canada of that region. And to be fair to Ukraine, they have absolutely no army compared to Russia's behemoth forces. Whatever happens I just want me family far away from there. That's the only reason I even care to read the news about it. If it wasn't for my family I couldn't give two shits about who "owns" Ukraine or who runs it, I just know I don't want to see my family fall back into the arms of the USSR or some other Russian union (which is where this is all heading again).
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 02:03:21 PM
^^ OK, I can see your point.


------------------------
Interesting new development. New S-400 air defence systems are on move! This means Russia is preparing for no less than direct US involvement. S-300 (which Russia has helluva lot more than S-400) would be perfectly capable of shooting down anything Ukraine or neighboring Eastern European countries can put in air.
They didn't bother rolling those things around even during Georgia.
Of course militaries prep for everything and this is good training if nothing else but still... that's not artillery and tanks anymore.





Meanwhile in New York, the UN security council is meeting over the Ukraine.
And:

9.48pm GMT
Presidents Putin and Obama have had a telephone conversation. Putin said that he reserved the right to defend Russian interests in Crimea and east Ukraine. Obama said he was concerned about any plans for Russian intervention in Ukraine.
Putin replied that he was concerned about “provocative criminal” actions by far rightists sanctioned by the Ukrainian authorities.
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Post by: Mr.1derful on March 01, 2014, 02:30:37 PM
Haha Ukraine reminds me of Canada of that region. And to be fair to Ukraine, they have absolutely no army compared to Russia's behemoth forces. Whatever happens I just want me family far away from there. That's the only reason I even care to read the news about it. If it wasn't for my family I couldn't give two shits about who "owns" Ukraine or who runs it, I just know I don't want to see my family fall back into the arms of the USSR or some other Russian union (which is where this is all heading again).

The alternative is to be prey for the IMF / NWO vultures.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 02:44:17 PM
What would you say if Sweden, Germany or the the UK would do that?

Because of the mass population of ethnic Swedes Krauts and Brits in the Ukraine.... ::)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 02:46:29 PM
Really? Then if the UK invaded the US to "protect ethnic brits" then its cool, right? Of course not. Ukraine has Turks, Russians, Poles, among other ethnic groups. Should Turkey and Poland attack and reclaim their ethnic people? And what about different ethnic groups that live in Russia, should they be "liberated" and have the "land taken back" by the countries they were originally conquered from?

Poles and Turks have 60-70% of ethnic population in that region? Perspective......Russian s don't want to live under Nazi Ukis of ther west....nm
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 03:23:10 PM
Haha, guess Russia rolled out the S-400 too early  ;D

22.55 In a sign of US disapproval at the Russian military deployment, the White House has announced that that US will boycott preparatory meetings for the G8 Summit in June which was due to be a prestigious event for Mr Putin to be held in the Winter Olympic resort of Sochi.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10669670/Ukraine-live-Crimea-leader-appeals-to-Putin-to-help-as-Obama-warns-of-costs-to-Moscow.html


(http://i.imgur.com/gv3HJ7x.jpg)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 03:31:22 PM
Gentlemen,

If you don't know shit about Russia, Ukraine their history and or social structure, go post in the WYHI thread....instead of having to read through your ignorant drivel.

In laymans terms...fuck off retards.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Shockwave on March 01, 2014, 03:35:08 PM
Haha, guess Russia rolled out the S-400 too early  ;D

22.55 In a sign of US disapproval at the Russian military deployment, the White House has announced that that US will boycott preparatory meetings for the G8 Summit in June which was due to be a prestigious event for Mr Putin to be held in the Winter Olympic resort of Sochi.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10669670/Ukraine-live-Crimea-leader-appeals-to-Putin-to-help-as-Obama-warns-of-costs-to-Moscow.html


(http://i.imgur.com/gv3HJ7x.jpg)

were nit going to do shit about this... and we shouldnt. Ukraine and Russia should be left to work I out... this has nothing to do with us..... this is a family spat pure and simple and we should but the fuck out.
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Post by: WalterWhite on March 01, 2014, 03:37:10 PM
No Euro countries will oppose this...Obama once again will look like a moron eunuch sucking on a Russian pole....

When exactly did he stop looking like a moron?
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 03:38:36 PM
When exactly did he stop looking like a moron?

I concede your point.  ;D
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Parker on March 01, 2014, 03:39:07 PM
were nit going to do shit about this... and we shouldnt. Ukraine and Russia should be left to work I out... this has nothing to do with us..... this is a family spat pure and simple and we should but the fuck out.
Exactly...The US should politely stand by...
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Post by: WalterWhite on March 01, 2014, 03:40:50 PM
I concede your point.  ;D

 ;D

He's very consistent!
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Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 04:01:27 PM
were nit going to do shit about this... and we shouldnt. Ukraine and Russia should be left to work I out... this has nothing to do with us..... this is a family spat pure and simple and we should but the fuck out.

That's true. It's just that we are hearing calls from Eastern European NATO-members and the new interim 'government' in Kiev for NATO to step in.
And as we know USA = NATO. There is nothing any other member can do.

But yes. Given the surprisingly calm rhetoric from US (you complained more about toilets in Sochi than this  ;D ), it looks like there's not going to be any measures. 
Putin held today 90min phone conversation with Obama. Pretty sure the manuscript has already been written behind the curtains.

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Post by: mass243 on March 01, 2014, 04:06:01 PM
In the past two weeks, 143 000 Ukrainians have requested asylum in Russia. That is serious number.

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-russia-asylum-request-386/
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Post by: Voici Le Rédempteur on March 01, 2014, 04:13:14 PM
Meh... who gives a shit.

klichko vs Putin. 8 rounds, raw, no condom.
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 04:29:42 PM
In mother russia the president acts first and asks permission later  ;D

Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP  15 min
#BREAKING: Putin asks Russia's upper house of parliament for approval to use armed forces in Ukraine


When the enemy is weak (non-existent), there's time for some PR  8)
(http://i.imgur.com/skvwhkn.jpg)


More: pro-Russia demonstrators have raised the flag of Russia over the city of Donetsk too! This is happening fast..
(http://i.imgur.com/Xng3Bqb.jpg)


Russia seems to be the only major country that's not following the "New World Order" agenda, you've got to admire them for that.
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Post by: Voici Le Rédempteur on March 01, 2014, 04:30:34 PM
Russia seems to be the only major country that's not following the "New World Order" agenda, you've got to admire them for that.

Yea good point.. been thinking about that for a while now. What's your theory chief?
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 04:32:03 PM
haha putin shitting all over these wannabe fascist clown in kiew.


they kiew cunnts should come to krim for some fun.




Okay Mr. EU......  ::) ::) ::)
















 :D
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 04:42:41 PM
Yea good point.. been thinking about that for a while now. What's your theory chief?

I don't know, you tell me. Russia is the only country with a President who clearly seems to be marching to a different drummer. Looking out for the interests of his people and country above all else (the opposite of leaders like Obama). Those at the very top who set the western agenda behind closed doors must be frustrated as hell with Russia. Not that I don't see that the same thing happens in Russia, just that Putin's "bosses" seem to be Russia first.

I can't help but admire Putin, hope he keeps it up.
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Post by: Shockwave on March 01, 2014, 04:44:12 PM
I don't know, you tell me. Russia is the only country with a President who clearly seems to be marching to a different drummer. Looking out for the interests of his people and country above all else. Those at the very top who set the western agenda behind closed doors must be frustrated as hell with Russia.

I can't help but admire Putin, hope he keeps it up.
My friend who returned from Germany on a trip recently told me that flying a german flag = Nazi to a large portion of Germans... in their mind, flying a flag = proud of your country, = proud of everything your countries done, = proud of Nazism = Nazi.

I shook my head.
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 04:46:46 PM
My friend who returned from Germany on a trip recently told me that flying a german flag = Nazi to a large portion of Germans... in their mind, flying a flag = proud of your country, = proud of everything your countries done, = proud of Nazism = Nazi.

I shook my head.

Sickening...  :-X

Will Russia be the only country that survives this plague?
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Post by: honest on March 01, 2014, 04:53:09 PM
He has every right to protect parts of the country where the majority are Russian particularly with the civil unrest. Uncle Sam needs to stay out of Europe most of the problems are economic based and go back to the USA financial crisis which infected the world anyway, they have no credibility they print money that they can never possibly pay back to give as aid to nations, it really is a joke. If the us dollar wasn't the global reserve currency that is toilet paper would be worth more. The world is turning Russia China are not going to be dictated to by a man who tries to fix his economic problems by simply just printing more money, hopefully the move away from the US dollar will accelerate in the coming years.
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 05:31:44 PM
I have a feeling the powers that be won't be so eager to ship millions of Ukranian refugees to Northern Europe like they do with African and Arab "refugees".

Wonder why...
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Post by: Voici Le Rédempteur on March 01, 2014, 05:50:52 PM
I have a feeling the powers that be won't be so eager to ship millions of Ukranian refugees to Northern Europe like they do with African and Arab "refugees".

Wonder why...

Good reproduction stock ;D
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 05:55:23 PM
Good reproduction stock ;D

I'll grant them all asylum in my house.  8)
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Post by: Voici Le Rédempteur on March 01, 2014, 05:57:51 PM
I'll grant them all asylum in my house.  8)

I'll release the Visas  8)
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Post by: galeniko on March 01, 2014, 06:05:04 PM
lol @ ppl saying putin doesnt play along with big moeny and all.

oh brother.

you just dont ehar about it.

think the press is very free in russia?haha ;D
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 06:08:53 PM
lol @ ppl saying putin doesnt play along with big moeny and all.

oh brother.

The big money behind Putin isn't the same big money that's making the decisions in every western country. Putin isn't giving up Russian sovereignty, and playing ball with the globalists like every other world leader.

All Russia really needs to do is sit back and watch the west self destruct, while they protect their own interests.


think the press is very free in russia?haha ;D

No, but on a positive note about that, Russia Today is one of the best sources for news on the US and Europe.
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Post by: galeniko on March 01, 2014, 06:12:36 PM
man stop it, youre not well informed on russia.

and putin.


he lets the oligarchs run rampant as long they dont meddle in politics.

he said so openly in a conference.


hes beter than the whole patheticlay corrupt usa govt, yeah, but hes no saint by any means.

the russian ppl dont mind, though.

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Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 06:13:34 PM

think the press is very free in russia?haha ;D

Think it's free....anywhere lol

Europe or Murica? Bwahahahahaha
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Post by: Shockwave on March 01, 2014, 06:14:41 PM
man stop it, youre not well informed on russia.

and putin.


he lets the oligarchs run rampant as long they dont meddle in politics.

he said so openly in a conference.


hes beter than the whole patheticlay corrupt usa govt, yeah, but hes no saint by any means.

the russian ppl dont mind, though.


His point is the west is trying to push their singular "one culture/one money/one government" ideal on all of the western nations cultures, which will effectively wipe out their respective cultures/histories/differences, and Putin is the only one who seems to give a fuck about keeping his countrys heritage and keep russia "Russia".
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Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 06:15:10 PM
man stop it, youre not well informed on russia.

and putin.


he lets the oligarchs run rampant as long they dont meddle in politics.

he said so openly in a conference.


hes beter than the whole patheticlay corrupt usa govt, yeah, but hes no saint by any means.

the russian ppl dont mind, though.



True....he's got a Russia first policy. If it's good for Russia, eyes closed on everything else.
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 06:17:45 PM
His point is the west is trying to push their singular "one culture/one money/one government" ideal on all of the western nations cultures, which will effectively wipe out their respective cultures/histories/differences, and Putin is the only one who seems to give a fuck about keeping his countrys heritage and keep russia "Russia".
True....he's got a Russia first policy. If it's good for Russia, eyes closed on everything else.

Exactly, do you know of any other major world leader that puts his countries interests first and isn't following the exact same globalist agenda?

Russia is the only exception.

Russia is also very unique in that it doesn't cooperate with groups like Bilderberg, the Council on Foreign Relations, International Monetary Fund and the Trilateral Commission. Hmmmmmmmm.....
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Post by: galeniko on March 01, 2014, 06:31:31 PM
His point is the west is trying to push their singular "one culture/one money/one government" ideal on all of the western nations cultures, which will effectively wipe out their respective cultures/histories/differences, and Putin is the only one who seems to give a fuck about keeping his countrys heritage and keep russia "Russia".
are you aware hes a big soviet union nosta;gic?

by his own words lol.

about wiping out differences, haha, the russians are very best at that, you guys dont understand this.the way its done in the west is a joke.
the way its been done in eastern countries,is,uhm lets say more direct, more straightforward.

the religious bit,he plays along for votes and popularity, when he was a full communist, he wasnt so religious at all.so thats either something new or hes playing it.

Think it's free....anywhere lol

Europe or Murica? Bwahahahahaha
nah nowhere, the pressure the usa secret services put on journalism is rendering it a joke.

True....he's got a Russia first policy. If it's good for Russia, eyes closed on everything else.
yeah at any cost.

russia dont ned to play financial hokupokus,their currency is shit anyway, they got oil, all is good.


Exactly, do you know of any other major world leader that puts his countries interests first and isn't following the exact same globalist agenda?

Russia is the only exception




venezuela, north korea.saudi arabia.lol.

switerland is a mix.

hm,iceland.if you want to call that non sell out.but its bit more complicated that that.

what else is there, iran maybe.


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Post by: Icelord on March 01, 2014, 06:34:54 PM
Gal do you live in England?
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 06:35:58 PM

I said major world leaders, make what you will of that.

Looks like you agree though, Putin doesn't bend over for the same people Obama, Harper, Cameron, Hollande and Merkel bend over for.
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Post by: galeniko on March 01, 2014, 06:40:00 PM
well the difference is, putin just nationalised the big companies instead of being nribed by them

think of the outcry in the west about nationalisation of stuff lol
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 06:45:03 PM
well the difference is, putin just nationalised the big companies instead of being nribed by them

think of the outcry in the west about nationalisation of stuff lol

It doesn't matter to me, I'm not a citizen of Russia.

I'm just comforted to know that Russia is there to say "FUCK YOU" and stand in the way of the globalists that have taken over the western world.

Russia will come out strong in the end by not following the globalist agenda.
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Post by: syntaxmachine on March 01, 2014, 06:52:41 PM
lol @ ppl saying putin doesnt play along with big moeny and all.

oh brother.

you just dont ehar about it.

think the press is very free in russia?haha ;D

Some in the West have a habit of romanticizing this corrupt petrostate, a fact which is doubly curious given that said romanticizers often have a conservative bent: what's for them to like in a state where the government employs 25% of the workforce, controls the press, can imprison political opponents at will, and where government-owned enterprises run half the economy?

Roger Butthead and Tampon (Tedim) being prime examples
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Post by: galeniko on March 01, 2014, 06:54:52 PM
i dont think you understand , putin is a real,real communist.

many in the special forces are.

you know,m the bolsheviki didnt exactly play along with the bankers either, they told them to go fuck off.

they just canceled the debt on their own behalf ;D


lol putin been a seay one since way back in time.

bacon there is no world leaders,its usa superpower and the rest is 2nd tier.

Some in the West have a habit of romanticizing this corrupt petrostate, a fact which is doubly curious given that said romanticizers often have a conservative bent: what's for them to like in a state where the government employs 25% of the workforce, controls the press, can imprison political opponents at will, and where government-owned enterprises run half the economy?

It boggles the mind.
yes of all pl conservative.putin would circumzise their freddoms before they could spell re education camp ;D

It doesn't matter to me, I'm not a citizen of Russia.

I'm just comforted to know that Russia is there to say "FUCK YOU" and stand in the way of the globalists that have taken over the western world.

Russia will come out strong in the end by not following the globalist agenda.
so doe snorth korae.they have nukes and no fear.

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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 06:57:45 PM
its usa superpower and the rest is 2nd tier.

I think the US government answers to the same people European governments answer to, the US just happens to be the globalists "enforcer".
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Post by: Voici Le Rédempteur on March 01, 2014, 07:01:05 PM
I think the US government answers to the same people European governments answer to, the US just happens to be the globalists "enforcer".


For now... hope it does stay the same.
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Post by: Irongrip400 on March 01, 2014, 07:01:17 PM
My friend who returned from Germany on a trip recently told me that flying a german flag = Nazi to a large portion of Germans... in their mind, flying a flag = proud of your country, = proud of everything your countries done, = proud of Nazism = Nazi.

I shook my head.

I was reading an article about that, they were talking about waving the German flag at soccer matches, and how it was a relatively new thing, as nationalism is a no no there. When I went, I tried asking our server some things, and she said "that remind me of 1939 too much".


Also, lot of white folks in Russia, no need for us to go there fucking around, we are ready a dwindling breed.
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 07:02:24 PM
yes of all pl conservative.putin would circumzise their freddoms before they could spell re education camp ;D
so doe snorth korae.they have nukes and no fear.

Can someone quote the post I made where I said I admire Russia's internal governance? ???

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Post by: Tedim on March 01, 2014, 07:20:50 PM
Some in the West have a habit of romanticizing this corrupt petrostate, a fact which is doubly curious given that said romanticizers often have a conservative bent: what's for them to like in a state where the government employs 25% of the workforce, controls the press, can imprison political opponents at will, and where government-owned enterprises run half the economy?

Roger Butthead and Tampon (Tedim) being prime examples

I'm too tired to belittle you tonight.....maybe in the morning I'll prison rape your stupid foundationless post. mmmmkay
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Post by: thebrink on March 01, 2014, 07:43:52 PM
Some in the West have a habit of romanticizing this corrupt petrostate, a fact which is doubly curious given that said romanticizers often have a conservative bent: what's for them to like in a state where the government employs 25% of the workforce, controls the press, can imprison political opponents at will, and where government-owned enterprises run half the economy?

Roger Butthead and Tampon (Tedim) being prime examples

Whats your point here ?  ???

Sure, the state has its problems but so do western countries and their globalist supporters. Nobody is praising communism here. Its just simple admiration for Putin and company keeping Russia, Russia and not cowering to a capitalist agenda and turning it into Americanamotherland. Its all just games.
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Post by: syntaxmachine on March 01, 2014, 07:58:30 PM
Can someone quote the post I made where I said I admire Russia's internal governance? ???

I didn't say that you said that you admire Russia's internal governance; I said that it's funny that you romanticize this corrupt petrostate (throwing "admiration" Putin's way, insisting that Russia will "come out strong in the end") given its godawful internal governance.

That said, if I hadn't blown my load over the night's gleaming thong festivities, I might have the energy to use a theory of implicit content to suggest that you did in fact communicate admiration for Russia's internal governance, given that the way it is resisting globalist forces is by maintaining a huge state presence in the economy that crowds out private interests (viz., the globalists who want to swoop in). Thus, since Russia's internal governance is the precise mechanism for resisting globalist forces, and you said you admire such resistance in this specific case, we might reasonably conclude that you admire (to some extent) Russia's internal governance.
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Post by: Shockwave on March 01, 2014, 08:12:01 PM
I didn't say that you said that you admire Russia's internal governance; I said that it's funny that you romanticize this corrupt petrostate (throwing "admiration" Putin's way, insisting that Russia will "come out strong in the end") given its godawful internal governance.

That said, if I hadn't blown my load over the night's gleaming thong festivities, I might have the energy to use a theory of implicit content to suggest that you did communicate admiration for Russia's internal governance, given that the way it is resisting globalist forces is by maintaining a huge state presence in the economy that crowds out private interests (viz., the globalists who want to swoop in). Thus, since RUssia's internal governance is the precise mechanism for resisting globalist forces, and you said you admire such resistance, we might reasonably conclude that you admire (to some extent) Russia's internal governance.

You say you "admire" Putin for resisting globalist influences and are filled with "hope" that he continues in his ways, implying that this behavior will leave Russia better off in the long run. Yet, the way he is resisting globalist influence is by letting the Russian state run the economy, crowding out foreign investors and other globalist types.
intredasting.

on a different note, I dont know much about putins internal politics but I sure as hell wish more countries would legitimately promote nationalism in the sense of maintaining their cultural identity and pride in their country/heritage.... I do feel like a larger presence is trying to stamp that out, which obviously would have far sweeping benefits to anyone trying to unite different cultures into a single economy. .. if I was to venture a guess...

tinfoil hat time...

it would be global banks/UN/multinational execs/US politicians..... These people stand the most to gain if thats whats going on... Brussels increasing freak outs when european countries dissent and want to do things that would benefit their country make me scratch my head..

I dont know. Im sire there are larger forces at work here... and it seems throughout history the banks have been the driving force behind conflicts and are always trying to weasel their way into other countries monetary supplies... im sure its a wet dream for them to have a hand in every single currency traded around the 'free world', and they probably would love the inevitable change to a singular electronic currency ..
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Post by: Sherief Shalaby on March 01, 2014, 08:18:14 PM
There's some epic fucking photos on coming out of Ukraine.

(http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_08/198151/pb-140220-priests-da-03_8cd8c21bdcd6aa848513beeed6566450.nbcnews-ux-1240-900.jpg)

branch warren of ukraine!!!..
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Post by: galeniko on March 01, 2014, 08:31:22 PM
its rougthly as simple as this

putin and clan have simply nationalized the oil and banking business and god knows what else.

they forced the competition out.

you know how they do banking?lol.they make losses on some deal sdeliberately, just to be lower in price than the foreign competition.

deliberately.

thats how they keep the internationalists out.its simply state owned, same with oil industry.cant just buy that.

this is one of the first things in communist manifesto, nationalize the main economic pillars.

why that is done is obvious i guess.

shockwave,can calm down your nationalist tone,putin strongly dislikes separatism, nationalism, as ive said hes a soviet nostaligic.

you know how they treat nationalism and such things?they relocate the majority from their roots and make them a minority.

so basicaly its similiar to what usa does.not much difference.mix them together,under the banner of russia its all good.

in the duma, some representatives said, where russians live, is russian ground, this is panslavism nostalgia btw.

others would call it imperialism.

aand dont overrate brussel, they dont even have an army.the nato is not eus army.

its simple, russia can get away with this bc they have oil.



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Post by: Shockwave on March 01, 2014, 08:58:23 PM
its rougthly as simple as this

putin and clan have simply nationalized the oil and banking business and god knows what else.

they forced the competition out.

you know how they do banking?lol.they make losses on some deal sdeliberately, just to be lower in price than the foreign competition.

deliberately.

thats how they keep the internationalists out.its simply state owned, same with oil industry.cant just buy that.

this is one of the first things in communist manifesto, nationalize the main economic pillars.

why that is done is obvious i guess.

shockwave,can calm down your nationalist tone,putin strongly dislikes separatism, nationalism, as ive said hes a soviet nostaligic.

you know how they treat nationalism and such things?they relocate the majority from their roots and make them a minority.

so basicaly its similiar to what usa does.not much difference.mix them together,under the banner of russia its all good.

in the duma, some representatives said, where russians live, is russian ground, this is panslavism nostalgia btw.

others would call it imperialism.

aand dont overrate brussel, they dont even have an army.the nato is not eus army.

its simple, russia can get away with this bc they have oil.




Wasnt necessarily espousing Putin.. just saying I hate the trend of trying to stomp out pride in one's nation and national heritage... don't get me wrong, I understand places like the US are BUILT on immigration.. but everyone used to come together UNDER the Flag, and become American, while retaining their cultural heritage and simply embracing their new country.

Now days, it seems they're trying to completely stamp that out, they just want people to mix and live and work without any semblance of pride/duty/patriotism to the country that they have chosen to make their homes.... I have no problem with an immigrant that comes here, works hard, is proud to be a part of this country, but still maintains a respect for their past and their culture.. I have a problem when they come here and either

A.Have zero pride in the country they're coming to and leeching off the system or mocking it,
Or
B.Expect the country to reverse integrate - I.E., learn their language and force us to try and make their culture the primary, like whats happening in California in the La Raza movement (or whetever its called), coming here and trying to turn the US into Mexico...

Or

C. (biggest peeve)trying to completely erase cultural history and customs, and make everyone an apathetic drone who doesn't have any clue where they came from or what their ancestors fought to protect.
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 09:15:40 PM
I didn't say that you said that you admire Russia's internal governance; I said that it's funny that you romanticize this corrupt petrostate

I wasn't addressing you big guy... I know better

I realize I'm no match for you (no one here is, except Kahn.N.Singh and George Whorewell), even if I am clearly right.  :D
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Post by: Icelord on March 01, 2014, 09:24:33 PM
I wasn't addressing you big guy... I know better

I realize I'm no match for you (no one here is, except Kahn.N.Singh and George Whorewell), even if I am clearly right.  :D
Sometimes a man's gotta be big enough to realize how small he is.
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 09:25:22 PM
Sometimes a man's gotta be big enough to realize how small he is.

 ;D
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Post by: alabama ftw on March 01, 2014, 10:04:55 PM
Because of the mass population of ethnic Swedes Krauts and Brits in the Ukraine.... ::)
Great answer as always. What if Sweden invaded Finland or the UK wanted their empire back? Or Maybe if Germanny invaded Austria?
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Post by: Shockwave on March 01, 2014, 10:11:04 PM
Great answer as always. What if Sweden invaded Finland or the UK wanted their empire back? Or Maybe if Germanny invaded Austria?
I say let em have at it. Territory used to be constantly shifting, its semi-hilarious how weve decided 'nope, no more, you have your land, we have our land, nobody move, this is perfect, no wars, no changd, we must homd it just like this, you cant have that stuff Russia, sit in the corner'.

Like environmentalists shitting themselves wjen one species hunts another species into extinction.... we try and control everything and it simply isnt possible... we have god complexes.

I understand helping yourallieds but at some point we need to let other people do their own shit....

seriously though, im so sick of us intervening in everythinf.
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Post by: alabama ftw on March 01, 2014, 10:26:14 PM
I say let em have at it. Territory used to be constantly shifting, its semi-hilarious how weve decided 'nope, no more, you have your land, we have our land, nobody move, this is perfect, no wars, no changd, we must homd it just like this, you cant have that stuff Russia, sit in
Aint that a good thing?

Answer the qeustion, what if Sweden attacked Finland, Germany invaded Austria or maybye the UK wanted their empire back. What would you say then?
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 01, 2014, 10:39:03 PM
the UK wanted their empire back. What would you say then?

I have to admit I would be pretty excited, would they also be sending all the Muslims home?

I hope they also take back Zimbabwe  8)
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Post by: mass243 on March 02, 2014, 02:53:24 AM

Oh man... Ukrainian military is on roll. Poor fukers. I wouldn't even try with that  :-\


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Post by: Thespritz0 on March 02, 2014, 03:02:31 AM
Oh man... Ukrainian military is on roll. Poor fukers. I wouldn't even try with that  :-\



^^
Dude, those are the old Russian 122mm guns, I got shelled by these in Croatia, they hit hard as FUCK...
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Post by: mass243 on March 02, 2014, 03:03:42 AM
Great answer as always. What if Sweden invaded Finland or the UK wanted their empire back? Or Maybe if Germanny invaded Austria?

Oh man, I know this is not what you meant but this is too good to pass. Kind of inside joke among Nordic countries (Swedish military)  ;D

Sweden didn't even get their fighters in the air when Russian bombers conducted a simulated strategic strike against Swedish military targets last year.
Invader times are long gone for our Swedish brothers.


Russian fighter planes carried out training missions just outside the Swedish border over Easter; Sweden's military, however, was too slow to react and had to rely on help from Nato, the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper (SvD) revealed on Monday.

http://www.thelocal.se/20130422/47474
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 02, 2014, 03:09:59 AM

This has been circulating since last night and now according to RT, Russian senator seems to have confirmed it:


Ukrainian Navy flagship takes Russia’s side – report

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-navy-flaghsip-protest-389/
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 02, 2014, 03:13:28 AM
As always, God is with Russia  ;D 8)

(http://i.imgur.com/Mg27ncA.jpg)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: alabama ftw on March 02, 2014, 03:22:20 AM
Sweden didn't even get their fighters in the air when Russian bombers conducted a simulated strategic strike against Swedish military targets last year.
Invader times are long gone for our Swedish

It was a theoretical question. I know how pathetic the Swedish army are. Right now I am working in Sweden and I have Swedish parents. During the cold war Sweden had some balls. They even wanted to have atomic bombs :D
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 02, 2014, 03:33:01 AM
It was a theoretical question. I know how pathetic the Swedish army are. Right now I am working in Sweden and I have Swedish parents. During the cold war Sweden had some balls. They even wanted to have atomic bombs :D

Yes, it's amazing how they have let themselves go.
Guess Sweden is the "most advanced" country on this aspect. They are "forerunners" in sex-neutral raising of children, in acceptance of sexual minorities etc.
That's the road they have chosen. Only future shows how it worked.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 02, 2014, 04:04:28 AM

Just in: Ukrainian army base surrounded by Russian forces.

(http://i.imgur.com/1BZfFGc.jpg)



What is interesting is that we haven't seen anything heavy from Russian military despite those few choppers. Not even tanks!
The tactic is clearly to wait Ukraine to make the first move, which it is unlikely to do. No one knows how working the Ukrainian command-chain is at the moment with several side changers, sacking of officers etc.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 02, 2014, 05:31:31 AM
Anti-war protest held today in Moscow, right in front of Kremlin  ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/WAcO6JL.jpg)



Meanwhile in Ukraine, more and more Russian trucks seem to be appearing from somewhere:



Bitches are always on the winner's side  8) :-\
(http://i.imgur.com/b3GwMNV.jpg)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Slapper on March 02, 2014, 06:56:37 AM
It's got to be really playing tricks in Obama's head to see Putin outmaneuver him again like a dumb idiot.

Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: StreetSoldier4U on March 02, 2014, 07:40:06 AM
Aint that a good thing?

Answer the qeustion, what if Sweden attacked Finland, Germany invaded Austria or maybye the UK wanted their empire back. What would you say then?

If the UK took over administration of their former colonies it would be a major improvement over the incompetent mismanagement by the natives.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Irongrip400 on March 02, 2014, 07:47:57 AM
Aint that a good thing?

Answer the qeustion, what if Sweden attacked Finland, Germany invaded Austria or maybye the UK wanted their empire back. What would you say then?

UK wants their empire back? Cool, send the filth packing. Anschluss of Germany and Austria? Good, pan germanism. Sweden attacking Finland? Haha, maybe 400 years ago. White power.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: jon cole on March 02, 2014, 08:15:01 AM
Snipers playing counter strike on real people!!  :-X Holy Phuck at 04.45!!!



I'm european. I only blame european union for that shit. UE is responsible, using ukrainian ppl against their own gov.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 02, 2014, 08:18:57 AM
16:06: BBC Monitoring reports: The Ukrainian State Border Service's regional HQ in Simferopol has been stormed and captured by "unidentified armed men", the service says in a statement circulated by UNIAN news agency. The headquarters of the Simferopol border detachment has also been taken.

16:07: According to the report, the attack was started by a group of plain-clothed men wearing bullet-proof vests and helmets, who were later joined by members of the Russian military.


Sooo.... Speetsnaz is in da house?  8)

Haha, holy shit Russians are like modern day Crusaders WTF  ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/Q3f2yOF.jpg)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Natural Man on March 02, 2014, 08:34:31 AM
it seems to me all these people are enjoying what they re doing, on both sides. Humans are funny animals. Probably bored of peace times.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: forillagorilla on March 02, 2014, 08:34:47 AM
who gives a shit, honestly

how is any of this relevant to my life

You are the kind of boy that's never and would never serve in a hostile environment - you run like hell from combat at ANY level and that video makes you uncomfortable and sort of scared even - just fucking say it ya lil bitch
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: StreetSoldier4U on March 02, 2014, 08:39:31 AM
You are the kind of boy that's never and would never serve in a hostile environment - you run like hell from combat at ANY level and that video makes you uncomfortable and sort of scared even - just fucking say it ya lil bitch


Combat is catabolic.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Shockwave on March 02, 2014, 08:39:43 AM
UK wants their empire back? Cool, send the filth packing. Anschluss of Germany and Austria? Good, pan germanism. Sweden attacking Finland? Haha, maybe 400 years ago. White power.
x2
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: pluck on March 02, 2014, 08:44:50 AM
I hate the trend of trying to stomp out pride in one's nation and national heritage... don't get me wrong, I understand places like the US are BUILT on immigration.. but everyone used to come together UNDER the Flag, and become American, while retaining their cultural heritage and simply embracing their new country.

Now days, it seems they're trying to completely stamp that out, they just want people to mix and live and work without any semblance of pride/duty/patriotism to the country that they have chosen to make their homes.... I have no problem with an immigrant that comes here, works hard, is proud to be a part of this country, but still maintains a respect for their past and their culture.. I have a problem when they come here and either

A.Have zero pride in the country they're coming to and leeching off the system or mocking it,
B.Expect the country to reverse integrate - I.E., learn their language and force us to try and make their culture the primary, like whats happening in California in the La Raza movement (or whetever its called), coming here and trying to turn the US into Mexico...
C. (biggest peeve)trying to completely erase cultural history and customs, and make everyone an apathetic drone who doesn't have any clue where they came from or what their ancestors fought to protect.

This should be a thread in itself. I couldn't agree more.

I was born in Poland and came to USA with my family when I was 9. I consider myself an American but still have my traditions and customs from Poland, however I'm an American first.

It seems like a lot of brown immigrants middle east, latinos and even current citizens do not give a fuck about this country and seem to demand reverse assimilation. My buddy's wife is a teacher in a school where most kids are from immigrant mexicans parents and the kids were born in this country. If you ask them if they're American, they always answer no.

You see this shit in the media too of Americans being portrayed as stupid, fat and lazy. It's complete b.s.

People express american pride as sarcasm and comedy, never in a serious matter. I've been seeing this trend the last couple of years and it seems disturbing because it further separates groups of people instead of everyone coming together and "becoming" American.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 02, 2014, 08:54:10 AM

This is gotta be the easiest "invasion" in the history:
Ukrainian navy chief is the latest of Ukrainian officers to defect!!!!


16:46: BBC Monitoring says: Russian state-owned news agency RIA Novosti reports that Ukrainian navy chief Denys Berezovskyy, who was appointed by acting President Turchynov yesterday, has "taken an oath of allegiance to the people to Crimea", which suggests that he has joined forces with the pro-Russian authorities there. Speaking at a news conference in Sevastopol, Rear Adm Denys Berezovskyy reportedly vowed to "defend" the people of Crimea.


AAAAND it's true  ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/WLsiYVi.jpg)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: StreetSoldier4U on March 02, 2014, 08:55:25 AM
This should be a thread in itself. I couldn't agree more.

I was born in Poland and came to USA with my family when I was 9. I consider myself an American but still have my traditions and customs from Poland, however I'm an American first.

It seems like a lot of brown immigrants middle east, latinos and even current citizens do not give a fuck about this country and seem to demand reverse assimilation. My buddy's wife is a teacher in a school where most kids are from immigrant mexicans parents and the kids were born in this country. If you ask them if they're American, they always answer no.

You see this shit in the media too of Americans being portrayed as stupid, fat and lazy. It's complete b.s.

People express american pride as sarcasm and comedy, never in a serious matter. I've been seeing this trend the last couple of years and it seems disturbing because it further separates groups of people instead of everyone coming together and "becoming" American.

Non-whites are encouraged to celebrate and take pride in their heritage.  All of this is done in the name of self-esteem building.   Without the social pressure to conform coupled with the focus on ethnic pride creates very little incentive for these individuals to assimilate or see themselves as a part of a greater whole.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: pluck on March 02, 2014, 08:58:14 AM
Non-whites are encouraged to celebrate and take pride in their heritage.  All of this is done in the name of self-esteem building.   Without the social pressure to conform coupled with the focus on ethnic pride creates very little incentive for these individuals to assimilate or see themselves as a part of a greater whole.

That's why this needs to change. National pride is very important IMO especially here in USA where it's a country of immigrants.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Slapper on March 02, 2014, 01:00:14 PM

I'm european. I only blame european union for that shit. UE is responsible, using ukrainian ppl against their own gov.

Blame the UE for what? All I see is Ukrainians killing other Ukrainians. It's an internal matter at this point.

Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Slapper on March 02, 2014, 01:03:56 PM
The bigger issue here is that there is a competing power (Russia) wanting to get into a territory that was socio-economically bulldozed to be part of the EU.

Russia does not like it, so they are acting in kind, which is what WE do all the time. Only that we do not like it when it's done onto us.

Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 02, 2014, 01:46:33 PM
16:06: BBC Monitoring reports: The Ukrainian State Border Service's regional HQ in Simferopol has been stormed and captured by "unidentified armed men", the service says in a statement circulated by UNIAN news agency. The headquarters of the Simferopol border detachment has also been taken.

16:07: According to the report, the attack was started by a group of plain-clothed men wearing bullet-proof vests and helmets, who were later joined by members of the Russian military.


Sooo.... Speetsnaz is in da house?  8)

Haha, holy shit Russians are like modern day Crusaders WTF  ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/Q3f2yOF.jpg)


Isn't there some international law about soldiers on the battlefield being identifiable by country or something?
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Icelord on March 02, 2014, 01:47:04 PM
Isn't there some international law about soldiers being identifiable by country or something?
The only Law that Russia respects is Might makes Right.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Mr Anabolic on March 02, 2014, 01:50:05 PM
Isn't there some international law about soldiers on the battlefield being identifiable by country or something?

You simply cannot believe anything the MSM reports... not ever.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: StreetSoldier4U on March 02, 2014, 01:57:40 PM
That's why this needs to change. National pride is very important IMO especially here in USA where it's a country of immigrants.


It's not going to change.  Minorities are conditioned to resent the established culture for historical wrongs perpetratored against them by that culture. The indoctrination process is meant to create a strong cultural identity in minorities in a society that they made very little contributions to. It failed. What was accomplished instead is the creation of deep seeded distrust, racial paranoia and rejection of established values that resulted in what we see today, rampant dysfunction in minority communities. .  
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 02, 2014, 02:09:13 PM
Isn't there some international law about soldiers on the battlefield being identifiable by country or something?

Well, technically yes. But especially special operatives tend to dress how it's most suitable for their mission.
I guess it would be pretty hard to prove they are actually soldiers of certain country.


Yesterday civilian clothed, yet heavily armed masked men made a mock attack against parliament house controlled by Russian forces in Crimea.
It remains completely unclear what was the reason of that. But looking at their weapons (GM-94 grenade launchers with even EOTech), their movements etc. it's quite clear they were Spetsnaz operatives - probably same ones that took part in the incident I posted in the post you quoted above.

(http://i.imgur.com/iIjTFPG.jpg)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 02, 2014, 02:12:35 PM
Well, technically yes. But especially special operatives tend to dress how it's most suitable for their mission.
I guess it would be pretty hard to prove they are actually soldiers of certain country.


Yesterday civilian clothed, yet heavily armed masked men made a mock attack against parliament house controlled by Russian forces in Crimea.
It remains completely unclear what was the reason of that. But looking at their weapons (GM-94 grenade launchers with even EOTech), their movements etc. it's quite clear they were Spetsnaz operatives - probably same ones that took part in the incident I posted in the post you quoted above.

(http://i.imgur.com/iIjTFPG.jpg)


I don't understand why they're saying these pro EU instigators are Neo Nazis?

Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 02, 2014, 02:24:24 PM
I don't understand why they're saying these pro EU instigators are Neo Nazis?



Because some of them are.

One of the parties now in power in Kiev (if you can say they have power over their country) is Svoboda. You can read about it from Wikipedia.

Svoboda has been described as an anti-Semitic and sometimes a Neo-Nazi party by international newspapers,[10][91][107] organizations that monitor hate speech,[108] Jewish organizations,[109][110] and political opponents.[50]


In May 2013 the World Jewish Congress labelled the party as "neo-Nazi" and called for European governments to ban them.[150]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ukrainian_Union_%22Svoboda%22#Criticism
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 02, 2014, 02:28:25 PM
Because some of them are.

One of the parties now in power in Kiev (if you can say they have power over their country) is Svoboda. You can read about it from Wikipedia.

Svoboda has been described as an anti-Semitic and sometimes a Neo-Nazi party by international newspapers,[10][91][107] organizations that monitor hate speech,[108] Jewish organizations,[109][110] and political opponents.[50]


In May 2013 the World Jewish Congress labelled the party as "neo-Nazi" and called for European governments to ban them.[150]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ukrainian_Union_%22Svoboda%22#Criticism

Well what do they think the EU is going to do for them?  ???

I LOL'd hard when I read this:

ROFL

Seriously, what? Kerry tells Russia 'you don't invade a country on completely phony pretexts'

Published time: March 02, 2014 21:

The US Secretary of State spoke today of the unacceptability of invading a sovereign country on phony pretexts in order to assert one’s own interests in the 21st century. But no, he was not speaking about the United States, as one might have thought.

“You just don’t invade another country on phony pretext in order to assert your interests,” John Kerry said during an interview with NBC’s Meet the Press. “This is an act of aggression that is completely trumped up in terms of its pretext. It’s really 19th century behaviour in the 21st century.”

Read more: http://rt.com/news/kerry-russia-us-pretext-494/




Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 02, 2014, 02:30:35 PM
Why isn't Sweden jumping to grant all these Ukrainians asylum?

They were so excited about bringing in a million Syrian refugees...
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: StreetSoldier4U on March 02, 2014, 02:35:31 PM
Why isn't Sweden jumping to grant all these Ukrainians asylum?

They were so excited about bringing in a million Syrian refugees...

Because they are white but I think you already know that.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: galeniko on March 02, 2014, 03:48:41 PM
Isn't there some international law about soldiers on the battlefield being identifiable by country or something?
they are unknown militia according to the honorable mr putin :D
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Europe on March 02, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/46c73edde6aea97069211b4c59574d43/tumblr_n1stmxF9tf1tqn5hco1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Voici Le Rédempteur on March 02, 2014, 07:01:59 PM
Well, technically yes. But especially special operatives tend to dress how it's most suitable for their mission.
I guess it would be pretty hard to prove they are actually soldiers of certain country.


Yesterday civilian clothed, yet heavily armed masked men made a mock attack against parliament house controlled by Russian forces in Crimea.
It remains completely unclear what was the reason of that. But looking at their weapons (GM-94 grenade launchers with even EOTech), their movements etc. it's quite clear they were Spetsnaz operatives - probably same ones that took part in the incident I posted in the post you quoted above.

(http://i.imgur.com/iIjTFPG.jpg)


Cool CounterStrike map bro.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 02, 2014, 07:21:53 PM
‘Any government willing to cooperate with the IMF will be heralded as legitimate’
Published time: March 02, 2014 07:31

The West's proposed financial aid will not solve Ukraine’s economic problems, but increase austerity, professor of political economy Jeffrey Sommers told RT.

If the self-proclaimed government in Kiev cooperates with the IMF, it will be regarded as legitimate in the West, even if its decisions are unpopular in Ukraine itself, Sommers says.

RT: Who do you think would be willing to foot that bill of $35 billion that Ukraine needs to stay afloat?

Jeffrey Sommers: I think it is certainly unlikely that either the EU or the US will come up with that level of funding especially given the tendency towards cutting budgets and austerity in either country. Now of course the IMF very much would like to come forward with the stabilization program and of course this would result in austerity being imposed on the Ukrainian economy and people but it is just difficult to say whether they’ll muster the political will to come with that level of funding and it does not really do anything to solve medium to long run problems in the Ukrainian economy anyway.

RT: Many within the country consider the current government illegitimate, would international organisations, like the IMF, be open to dealing with it?

JS: Well I think unfortunately any government that expresses its willingness to working with IMF in imposing the structural adjustment is going to be heralded as legitimate and so represent the popular will whether it does or does not.

 RT: Any cash would most likely come with unpopular reforms. How could that affect the already explosive situation in the country?

JS: Well I think the current government as it is currently composed will just blame Russia for the problems that will come with an austerity budget. So they have the opportunity to deflect the information either by IMF or even the EU. So I think that is one of the consequences that we might see. Of course Ukraine’s economy is a very precarious place right now. It could be more competitive if it could receive the reduced energy prices which Russia was offering. That would make its chief export sector – metals even more competitive and it can be quite good for it. But if Russian gas prices go up for Ukraine, this could be quite bad for them.

RT: Given East Ukraine, which is gripped by mass pro-Russian protests, is the most economically developed part of the country. How will the current divisions affect Ukraine's economy?

JS: Well it is really depended upon how much control the central government can assert over the east. So if the east loses its export markets in Russia, it can also be quite devastating for it. Ukraine has international markets beyond Russia and the CIS for its metal products but again if Russian gas prices for Ukraine go up then those metal products are going to be less competitive on the world markets. So it is a very difficult situation for Ukraine and its economy.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: galeniko on March 02, 2014, 07:27:05 PM
aha,imf.

govt policiy adaptions vs moneys.


whoms is the imf? :D


hm now the elderly will start thinking, who will be able to pay my pension, russia or the new clowns in kiev.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: O.Z. on March 02, 2014, 08:40:16 PM
true, false?

Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Anabol on March 03, 2014, 01:25:04 AM
1999 - ignoring international law , bypassing the UN and the Security Council , the United States , NATO forces launched a campaign of the 78-day aerial bombardment of the sovereign state of Yugoslavia.
2000 - coup in Belgrade. Americans finally overthrew the hated Milosevic.
2001 - the invasion of Afghanistan . A typical Americans torture, prohibited weapons , mass destruction of civilians , the assurances of the imminent reconstruction of the country , the use of depleted uranium and finally sucked from the finger "proof" of bin Laden's involvement in the terrorist attack of September 11, 2001 , which is based on the questionable videos illegible sound and totally different from bin Laden's man.
2001 - Americans chase throughout Macedonia for Albanian terrorists of the Kosovo Liberation Army , who have been trained and armed by the same Americans to fight the Serbs.
2002 - American troops are introduced to the Philippines because fear of popular unrest there .
2002 - 2004 - Venezuela . In 2002, . there was a pro-American coup , the opposition illegally shifted the popular President Hugo Chavez. The very next day popular uprising in support of the president , Chavez rescued from prison and returned to the post .
2003 - " anti-terrorist operation " in the Philippines.
2003 - Iraq .
2003 - Liberia .
2003 - Syria . U.S. commanders acknowledged the clashes with the Syrian border guards. On the countryside were thrown paratroopers . From the air, landing SWAT covered planes and helicopters.
2003 - Coup in Georgia. Directly help the Georgian opposition has provided the U.S. ambassador in Tbilisi , Richard Miles , that is, it was done with the approval of the White House.
2004 - Haiti. America invades .
2004 - The attempted coup in Equatorial Guinea, where there are solid oil .
2004 - pro-American coup in Ukraine. Part 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5, 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , 10, 11.
2008 - August 8. The war in South Ossetia. U.S. financed and trained the Georgian aggression on the Republic of South Ossetia. On the side of the Georgian aggressors fought American military specialists .
2011 - the bombing of Libya.
2012 - the bombing of Syria.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 01:48:30 AM
Shiiit, Moscow Stock Exchange down 6% this morning  ;D
Could as well go all out at this point.

(http://i.imgur.com/tWksyj0.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/MrG2zi9.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/0EoQE8W.jpg)



Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 02:06:52 AM
Nice footage. Rossiyan hecos flying over strait of Kerch  8)
Flying quite low.

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Post by: Tedim on March 03, 2014, 06:59:59 AM


hm now the elderly will start thinking, who will be able to pay my pension, russia or the new clowns in kiev.

truth.....bottom line!
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 07:54:04 AM
Russia has apparently been testing Ukraina last night. Ukrainian MoD reported airspace violations by several Russian fighters.
Ukrainian air defence is purely Soviet origin so I assume Russia can disable it pretty easily if necessary.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/03/uk-urkaine-crisis-jets-idUKBREA220W520140303
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Post by: Shockwave on March 03, 2014, 07:57:03 AM
Im in Germany right now.... I t s interesting to see how hard the news channels in germany are pushing for US intervention.
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Post by: James on March 03, 2014, 08:00:47 AM


(http://rense.com/1.imagesH/whattheworldsees.jpg)
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: headhuntersix on March 03, 2014, 08:08:01 AM
Like I said...I want to see newer Russian junk fighting older Russian junk...dudes with AK's isn;'t doing for me. I want old MI-24's engaging brand new Russian T-90's...Hokums, Hips.....havok's...come on Vlad unleash the hounds.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: 240 is Back on March 03, 2014, 08:08:33 AM
someone put this into a summary...

ukraine is having a civil war.   Russia, its neighbor, is going in to take over/ capitalize on it/ help one side win?

I think if Mexico was having a civil war, I'm 100% sure the USA would be in there making sure the right guy/side took over.

You gotta make sure your neighbors are cool.   We would be IRATE if Russia stuck their nose into a Mexican civil war and put their bombs,tanks on the usa/mexican border.

I know mccain wants a war, but "We are all Ukranians" has to be one of the silliest things he's ever said.  He's mad that russia is getting involved, and we're not... is that pretty much the case?
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Post by: jodsy on March 03, 2014, 08:10:29 AM
in soviet Russia no fucks were given
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 08:19:31 AM
Of course no one is going to traditional war against Russia.

BUT.
There is the economy. I'm not an expert but just pushing in the media hysteria of full blown war, threaten to severe ties etc. is enough to make investors take their money and run.
Today Reuters reported Russian central bank freed $10 billion worth of reserves to stabilize the ruble. Moscow stock exchange dropped some 10% today last I heard.
Good side is that the world is in recession and no one is probably willing to go too far. I bet they know this in Kremlin too. It can still get quite expensive.

Russia doesn't have its own system anymore like back in the Soviet times. It's part of global economy now.
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: BigCyp on March 03, 2014, 08:23:09 AM
I know you Yanks probably don't give a shit, but we in the U.K. are at the mercy of Russia for a major gas pipeline. Yes sure boycott the paraolympics (who gives a shit anyway lol) but don't go too far, or we will be on our knees begging for gas.
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Post by: liberty on March 03, 2014, 08:25:20 AM
We (yanks) give a shit...the fvcking stock market is tanking because of these developments here today.
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Post by: headhuntersix on March 03, 2014, 08:25:28 AM
We do..that's why we can't get the Euro's on board with anything other a strongly worded statement to Putin....because the rest you will freeze. Obama may not give a shit but I have relatives there and its Britain...our oldest ally.
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Post by: jodsy on March 03, 2014, 08:26:02 AM
i will be on my knees begging for cock.
fixed for accuracy
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Post by: galeniko on March 03, 2014, 08:38:47 AM
truth.....bottom line!
yah when its all said and done, it comes down that we are humanus economicus.

all the blabla politics angles and manifestos nobody gives a shit, well the russian older folks dont, they dont want dreaming of millions, they only want the outlook to stability in life.or atleast the rpomise.

the kiev twats want something with eu, im not sure whats stopping them from going to the eu on personal basis if they think its so good there.

the only one asset esp the west unkraine has is some oil pipelines running through there, but its old and outdated and first and foremost,soon to be onsolete, new pipelines are built and almost reaady.

the ppl dont want instable newbie govt who sucks up to the imf even before theyre established.
their "army" are running over to russian army oh brother haha, goes to show how much helpful their western"allies" really are.
the west will only help in the propaganda aspects, and maybe with financial loans(lets not call that help, lets call it what it is a financial burden)..

russia has the money and can pay for a social system and pensions from pocket chump change.kiev have to suck up to imf.(who will dictate political measures in "exchange").

Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: galeniko on March 03, 2014, 08:42:03 AM
Of course no one is going to traditional war against Russia.

BUT.
There is the economy. I'm not an expert but just pushing in the media hysteria of full blown war, threaten to severe ties etc. is enough to make investors take their money and run.
Today Reuters reported Russian central bank freed $10 billion worth of reserves to stabilize the ruble. Moscow stock exchange dropped some 10% today last I heard.
Good side is that the world is in recession and no one is probably willing to go too far. I bet they know this in Kremlin too. It can still get quite expensive.

Russia doesn't have its own system anymore like back in the Soviet times. It's part of global economy now.

yeah this is bad.
financal wars are just as bad, and the threat to kick them out of g8 is kinda like an embargo.

well, europe still needs that oil :D

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Post by: headhuntersix on March 03, 2014, 08:46:43 AM
They agree to stop moving further then the Crimea...pull back some troops etc....allow time for the new government of Ukraine to form and then they can all figure this shit out. Putin is not giving up Crimea but if that's as far as he goes, I'm sure the West will have to live with it. Since 1991...its the Russians loosing ground and they need the Black Sea.
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 09:03:26 AM
Like I said...I want to see newer Russian junk fighting older Russian junk...dudes with AK's isn;'t doing for me. I want old MI-24's engaging brand new Russian T-90's...Hokums, Hips.....havok's...come on Vlad unleash the hounds.

Haha but Game ain't serious as long as everything is new and shiny.

You can tell it turns serious when Russia sends in the "special battalions" with their rusty BTR's consisting of Chechens and others alike, like Vostok in Georgia  ;D
Semi-official throat cutters.
(http://i.imgur.com/zJ9K82X.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vBBvA2D.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/4qrOgap.jpg)

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Post by: BigCyp on March 03, 2014, 09:06:31 AM
Yeah no offence guys, I love Americans personally. Just that we can't turn up the pressure in this particular cooker, in case we burn our own balls off.
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 09:33:11 AM
Po-Russia crowd at Donetsk regional administration building today.

Crowd yelling "ROS-SI-YA, ROS-SI-YA" and waving Russian flags... listen @ 0:25, gives goosebumps  8)


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Post by: manuelsonn on March 03, 2014, 10:11:43 AM
1999 - ignoring international law , bypassing the UN and the Security Council , the United States , NATO forces launched a campaign of the 78-day aerial bombardment of the sovereign state of Yugoslavia.
2000 - coup in Belgrade. Americans finally overthrew the hated Milosevic.
2001 - the invasion of Afghanistan . A typical Americans torture, prohibited weapons , mass destruction of civilians , the assurances of the imminent reconstruction of the country , the use of depleted uranium and finally sucked from the finger "proof" of bin Laden's involvement in the terrorist attack of September 11, 2001 , which is based on the questionable videos illegible sound and totally different from bin Laden's man.
2001 - Americans chase throughout Macedonia for Albanian terrorists of the Kosovo Liberation Army , who have been trained and armed by the same Americans to fight the Serbs.
2002 - American troops are introduced to the Philippines because fear of popular unrest there .
2002 - 2004 - Venezuela . In 2002, . there was a pro-American coup , the opposition illegally shifted the popular President Hugo Chavez. The very next day popular uprising in support of the president , Chavez rescued from prison and returned to the post .
2003 - " anti-terrorist operation " in the Philippines.
2003 - Iraq .
2003 - Liberia .
2003 - Syria . U.S. commanders acknowledged the clashes with the Syrian border guards. On the countryside were thrown paratroopers . From the air, landing SWAT covered planes and helicopters.
2003 - Coup in Georgia. Directly help the Georgian opposition has provided the U.S. ambassador in Tbilisi , Richard Miles , that is, it was done with the approval of the White House.
2004 - Haiti. America invades .
2004 - The attempted coup in Equatorial Guinea, where there are solid oil .
2004 - pro-American coup in Ukraine. Part 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5, 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , 10, 11.
2008 - August 8. The war in South Ossetia. U.S. financed and trained the Georgian aggression on the Republic of South Ossetia. On the side of the Georgian aggressors fought American military specialists .
2011 - the bombing of Libya.
2012 - the bombing of Syria.
x2; so a democratic elected president (after 4 years with pro european corrupt scum the population decided to vote a pro russian canditate) is overthrown by some 1,5% of voting population because he doesnt want to go in the beta , bureocrats parasites with  no direction= shit hole European Union (why would a clean mind go there ) .. and when the good samaratineans step into to restore the order, the elected governement and to clean the streets of terrorist, all the faggets: ammurica and ue start cryng :is a invasion  -- and we all know that only ammericana has the right to invade  countries (to be fair the skanks, yanks , only invaded countries with weapon of mass destruction (zero!) or big production of opium ..) u make me wanna puke
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 10:30:15 AM

O-ou. Seems like no satisfactory deal reached behind the curtains so far.

BREAKING NEWS Mark Mardell North America editor tweets: US State Dept says they are preparing to put sanctions on Russia and are "moving down that path"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26413953



Question remains whether it will be anything that matters or just something along "Kadyrov won't be granted visa to US".
It's hard to imagine what it could be. The trade between the countries is basically non-existent.
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Post by: galeniko on March 03, 2014, 10:32:56 AM
gazprom stock is tanking a little bit :-\


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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 10:40:55 AM
gazprom stock is tanking a little bit :-\


Actually I think this would be an opportunity for Russian state to buy back Gazprom and others for bargain.
Russia has plenty of cash.
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 10:46:31 AM
Someone said that if Putin manages to win this and continue his triumph on international arena, he is the president for life but if shit hits the fan for Russia (economy), he will be writing his memoirs sooner than he thought.
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 10:50:14 AM
Seems like Putin knows exactly how to run the show. I should have learned already: You can't bet against Putin and win.


18:44: The BBC's political editor Nick Robinson has more on the official document that reveals that the UK government will not curb trade with Russia or close London's financial centre to Russians. The document also says British ministers should "discourage any discussion (eg at Nato) of contingency military preparations". You can read more here.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26413953


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Post by: manuelsonn on March 03, 2014, 10:51:28 AM
I dont understand what the fuck americana and ue wants, Russia is bringing back the democracy.. An democratic elected president was overtrown by terrorists.. In americana if u look at a pig he shoots u right on the spot. In evil ukraine , after 3 months of road blocking and protests nobody was injured, and more, ianukovici even negociated with terrorist by offering them THE GOVERNMENT.. they declined and attacked state buildings- ministers, governemnet.. what the fuck should an democratic elected president , by 12 milions people , should to with couple thousand of terrorist who tried to attack state institutions after he offered their leaders the executive control of the country? .. u try to jump the fence on white house and see what happens.
U ipocrite scum
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 10:54:25 AM

Strong indication Russia is there to stay IMO:



18:29 Crimea hopes to receive the financial aid of $1 bln from Russia, said the deputy prime minister of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, Rustam Temirgaliyev.

"Russia is ready to grant 1 billion dollars in aid to Crimea," Temirgaliyev said on Monday, adding that the Crimean authorities had already received from Russia a plan of financial assistance.

According to the deputy minister, Russian companies are also ready to invest about $5 billion in various investment projects on the territory of Crimea.

http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/
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Post by: Anabol on March 03, 2014, 11:13:52 AM
Neo nazi at ukraine:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554
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Post by: headhuntersix on March 03, 2014, 11:27:22 AM
This is all worthless if I don't get to see MI-24's engaging T-90's or Russian Airborne units jumping on Kiev.
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 11:34:21 AM

The Commander-in-Chief himself made a public appearance today.
By arriving in Kirillovsky............. to witness ongoing military drills  ;D ;D

Love this guy. WOuldn't like to face him in poker.

(http://i.imgur.com/w1QOgYg.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/6rurisn.jpg)
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Post by: headhuntersix on March 03, 2014, 11:35:24 AM
Yeah...our guy was busy playing golf and blowing dudes....
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Post by: tommywishbone on March 03, 2014, 11:36:58 AM
Looks like a lovely place to go fight and die for no reason. When do we invade?

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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 11:44:05 AM
Looks like a lovely place to go fight and die for no reason. When do we invade?



Umm, How does your field look like where your military has exercised shelling and bombing for decades?

edit: and don't post images of some school yard in some small and poor country.
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Post by: headhuntersix on March 03, 2014, 11:46:41 AM
Nice and flat...good tank country...2500 meter shots everywhere.
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Post by: tommywishbone on March 03, 2014, 11:56:27 AM
Umm, How does your field look like where your military has exercised shelling and bombing for decades?

edit: and don't post images of some school yard in some small and poor country.

I just happen to have this photo of the field across the street from my house. We are planning to clean up a bit next week.

 
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 12:04:24 PM

Ukrainian soldiers lurk behind the walls in one military base where Russian forces have surrounded them in. Russian troops patrol outside.
Looks like they are not in too bad relations:

(http://i.imgur.com/QpPexU6.jpg)
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 12:08:58 PM

Hope this guy has night off tonight  ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/BVWyVHp.jpg)


Trademark Russian military monks are still around  ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/nqRqSM3.jpg)
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Post by: headhuntersix on March 03, 2014, 01:02:11 PM
Ukrainian soldiers lurk behind the walls in one military base where Russian forces have surrounded them in. Russian troops patrol outside.
Looks like they are not in too bad relations:

(http://i.imgur.com/QpPexU6.jpg)


Striped shirt dudes are russkie airborne right?
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 01:14:04 PM
Striped shirt dudes are russkie airborne right?

Well, Russkies in that particular pic are in front of the walls LOL
But yes, the blue striped shirt is trademark for airborne troops. Was so in USSR, and continues to be in some successor states, including Russia and Ukraine.

Ukrainian paratroopers during more glorious days
(http://i.imgur.com/pBCxKGy.jpg)
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Post by: Dr Dutch on March 03, 2014, 01:22:06 PM
Ukraine must have some rusty nuclear Soviet missiles left....not a nice thought.
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Post by: Nails on March 03, 2014, 01:28:24 PM
what happened to ALL the Ukraine NUKE WEAPONS  ??? ???
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Post by: Nails on March 03, 2014, 01:30:06 PM
so im guessing all this is a push for Russian to get the Summer Olympics  ??? ???



(http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/ap_photo/20120731/all/l6135271.jpg)
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 01:31:05 PM
what happened to ALL the Ukraine NUKE WEAPONS  ??? ???

You mean Soviet ones.
They were all handed away of course. Dismantled under international agreements after dissolution of USSR.

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Post by: headhuntersix on March 03, 2014, 01:31:14 PM
what happened to ALL the Ukraine NUKE WEAPONS  ??? ???

They gave them up in 1994 because the US and the Brits said we'd defend them if they did so......and...yeah!
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Post by: Nails on March 03, 2014, 01:33:49 PM
They gave them up in 1994 because the US and the Brits said we'd defend them if they did so......and...yeah!


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DvfFOdWAdMw/SoX1Xq2LH7I/AAAAAAAAAGk/WDXLKgrZcUA/s320/homer_simpson_doh_02.gif)
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 01:34:00 PM
so im guessing all this is a push for Russian to get the Summer Olympics  ??? ???



Russia would clean table there too like in Sochi  8)

(http://i.imgur.com/HmheppR.png)
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 01:36:19 PM
If I was this guy, I would be very silent and hide in Siberia.
Russia doesn't have too warm feelings toward him after his piss poor management of the events..


BREAKING NEWS Ukraine's ousted President Viktor Yanukovych has written to Russian President Vladimir Putin asking him to use military force in Ukraine, says Russia's envoy to the UN, Vitaly Churkin.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26413953


edit:

21:40: Here's the important part of a photocopy of the letter read out by the Russian envoy to the UN, which he says was sent by ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych to Vladimir Putin: "In view of this [events in Ukraine], I ask the president of Russia, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, to use the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to restore legality, peace, law and order and stability, and to protect the population of Ukraine, (Signed) Viktor Yanukovych, 1 March 2014".
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 01:38:56 PM
Ukraine must have some rusty nuclear Soviet missiles left....not a nice thought.

No there is not. There's barely anything left.
Ukraine has been basically broke ever since the fall of the USSR. They haven't had financial or technological capabilities to maintain sophisticated weapons systems.
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 01:52:10 PM
Establishing a link to bring in reinforcement by land apparently:

21:25: More on those reports (see 20:44 entry) that armed men have seized control of the ferry crossing between Russia and Crimea - Reuters is now quoting the Ukrainian coast guard as saying that they were Russian troops, and that they have been helping to bring in more troops by ferry.


Russian landing ship photographed in coast of Crimea. Bringing some more equipment most likely.
(http://i.imgur.com/p38uu2i.jpg)
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Post by: Nomad on March 03, 2014, 01:55:40 PM
No there is not. There's barely anything left.
Ukraine has been basically broke ever since the fall of the USSR. They haven't had financial or technological capabilities to maintain sophisticated weapons systems.


getting taken over by Russia would be a blessing for Ukraine or whatever parts of Ukraine that switch alliances.

What is there of industrial worth in western ( pro-eu ) Ukraine; Ikea and mcdonalds?
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Post by: honest on March 03, 2014, 02:04:22 PM
I dont understand what the fuck americana and ue wants, Russia is bringing back the democracy.. An democratic elected president was overtrown by terrorists.. In americana if u look at a pig he shoots u right on the spot. In evil ukraine , after 3 months of road blocking and protests nobody was injured, and more, ianukovici even negociated with terrorist by offering them THE GOVERNMENT.. they declined and attacked state buildings- ministers, governemnet.. what the fuck should an democratic elected president , by 12 milions people , should to with couple thousand of terrorist who tried to attack state institutions after he offered their leaders the executive control of the country? .. u try to jump the fence on white house and see what happens.
U ipocrite scum

Thank you, USA only want a democracy in place when it best serves their interests, they have undermined this country as they do others to push their own agenda, Putin isnt having any of it, and he deserves total respect for his position.
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Post by: headhuntersix on March 03, 2014, 02:05:38 PM
As opposed to what in Russia. Its not like Putin's gonna be handing out Vodka and Mercedes to the people of Ukraine.

Mass loves their shit.....Russian junk looks cool even if it breaks, sinks or otherwise doesn't work.
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 02:19:26 PM
getting taken over by Russia would be a blessing for Ukraine or whatever parts of Ukraine that switch alliances.

What is there of industrial worth in western ( pro-eu ) Ukraine; Ikea and mcdonalds?

Yep. The industry is in the eastern parts.
Ukrainian company making components for rockets is a joint-venture with Russia, aircraft parts etc. are mostly consumed by Russia.

The new An-70 plane is a prime example. When it was on design board Ukraine desperately tried to sell it to Europe. No one bought it.
It's basically a project funded by Russia and Russian Air force offered to order it for new light transport plane.
Latest order book looks like this:

-Russian Air force 60
-Volga dnepr (Russian company) 5 (possibly)
-Ukraine 2

West doesn't give a shit about Ukraine. They just want to take it out of Russia - even against the will of Ukrainians.
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Post by: mass243 on March 03, 2014, 02:31:36 PM
Thank you, USA only want a democracy in place when it best serves their interests, they have undermined this country as they do others to push their own agenda, Putin isnt having any of it, and he deserves total respect for his position.

Forgive me but it has to be said: USA is piss poor in managing the messes they stir up.
All the countries they meddle in end up in total chaos. Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Iraq... list goes on and on.
Funny thing btw is that as soon as US grip loosens, these countries turn back to Russia:

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140214/187524953/Russia-Egypt-Reach-Initial-3-Bln-Arms-Deal--Report.html

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20131017/DEFREG03/310170015/Iraq-Receiving-Russian-Arms-Under-4-3B-Deal



Russia on the other hand did its highly criticized (in USA) intervention in Georgia and look the place now! Basically not a single shot fired since.
Now Russia is in Crimea and have not bombed anyone yet.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZGR7ref.jpg)
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Post by: headhuntersix on March 03, 2014, 03:18:35 PM
Mass...Chechnya.....come on. It's been a disaster for everybody involved since 1994. The idiots we dealt with in Iraq and Afghanistan learned all that shit somewhere.
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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 03, 2014, 04:13:44 PM
Forgive me but it has to be said: USA is piss poor in managing the messes they stir up.
All the countries they meddle in end up in total chaos. Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Iraq... list goes on and on.
Funny thing btw is that as soon as US grip loosens, these countries turn back to Russia:

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140214/187524953/Russia-Egypt-Reach-Initial-3-Bln-Arms-Deal--Report.html

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20131017/DEFREG03/310170015/Iraq-Receiving-Russian-Arms-Under-4-3B-Deal



Russia on the other hand did its highly criticized (in USA) intervention in Georgia and look the place now! Basically not a single shot fired since.
Now Russia is in Crimea and have not bombed anyone yet.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZGR7ref.jpg)


lol @ russia hiding in the last door  ;D
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Post by: O.Z. on March 03, 2014, 07:59:34 PM
Ukrainian soldiers lurk behind the walls in one military base where Russian forces have surrounded them in. Russian troops patrol outside.
Looks like they are not in too bad relations:

(http://i.imgur.com/QpPexU6.jpg)



of course, they are same people

meantime, pro EU fellas spreading some luv

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Post by: O.Z. on March 03, 2014, 08:05:42 PM
As opposed to what in Russia. Its not like Putin's gonna be handing out Vodka and Mercedes to the people of Ukraine.

Mass loves their shit.....Russian junk looks cool even if it breaks, sinks or otherwise doesn't work.

lol, still good enough to prevent any action from 'Coalition of Willing' in Syria.
History in a making, enjoy.
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Post by: Red Hook on March 03, 2014, 08:08:14 PM
Modern Warfare 4: Ukraine Uprising.
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Post by: Obvious Gimmick on March 04, 2014, 08:21:10 AM
Get bob ford over there with a kilo of blow and a couple of Spanish hookers and this whole thing will be over in 4 days tops.
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Post by: mass243 on March 04, 2014, 08:30:29 AM

sure he's very powerful person but appearance wize he's a bald midget with a skinny fat body

LOL, time to drop that testo. There's a thin line between being self confident and getting ones ass handed to him in front of local boozer  ;D


Besides, he doesn't have to be tall and handsome. Russia has Steven Seagel for that HAHA  ;D ;D
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Post by: 240 is Back on March 04, 2014, 09:15:59 AM
g
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Post by: galeniko on March 04, 2014, 09:27:55 AM
what happened to ALL the Ukraine NUKE WEAPONS  ??? ???
i dont think they had the weapons, just the knowledge and research to make them.

not sure on that.
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Post by: musclecenter on March 04, 2014, 09:29:32 AM
Putin: Russia will not go to war with Ukraine, our relations are fraternal!

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Post by: mass243 on March 04, 2014, 09:46:12 AM
i dont think they had the weapons, just the knowledge and research to make them.

not sure on that.

There were Soviet nuclear missiles located in Ukrainian SSR.
Due to the chaos during the break up, of course USSR didn't have possibility to evacuate all the weapons systems from now-independent republics.

Among the nukes located in Ukrainian SSR were R-36 "Satans" (10 warhead monsters). There was more nukes based there than what Britain, France and China had combined.
As well there were dozen or so (can't remember exactly) of heavy strategic bombers (meant to carry nukes) located in Ukraina. Russia bought some of them and the rest were scrapped (A shame but Ukraine didn't want to give them free and Russia at the time was basically bankrupt too).  

As said, all the nukes were dismantled under international agreements starting from 1994. Russian Federation, USA and UK agreed to ensure the safety of independent Ukraine in case Ukraine was threatened by nuclear strikes.
I think the agreement was not ratified by too many countries after all. It was a top priority for international community to prevent former Soviet nuclear arsenal ending up in wrong hands.


"Satan" missile in museum in Ukraine:

(http://i.imgur.com/oEvoVHs.jpg)


Tupolev bomber being scrapped in Ukraine:

(http://i.imgur.com/IewyZrw.jpg)
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Post by: mass243 on March 04, 2014, 10:04:31 AM
Putin: Russia will not go to war with Ukraine, our relations are fraternal!



From same press conference: Girls phone rings and interrupts Putin. Putin kindly tells her to leave the room  ;D

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Post by: musclecenter on March 04, 2014, 10:15:33 AM
From same press conference: Girls phone rings and interrupts Putin. Putin kindly tells her to leave the room  ;D


Putin is a tough guy for sure!
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Post by: tom joad on March 04, 2014, 10:16:03 AM
hold referendums (with international monitors) in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine and if the people there vote to join Russia, then that's that.
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Post by: mass243 on March 05, 2014, 05:36:23 AM
FSB leaking again some tapped phone conversations  ;D ;D

Kiev snipers hired by Maidan leaders - leaked EU's Ashton phone tape

Breaking: Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and Catherine Ashton discuss Ukraine over the phone



“There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition,” Paet said during the conversation.

http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/
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Post by: galeniko on March 06, 2014, 09:19:30 AM
lol putin said the obvious sptznas troops are just civilians who bought the commando clothes,they can be "bought literaly in every clothing store"(putin words)


ok, so the usa has now imposed sanctions and sent destroyer ships to the krim-sea
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Post by: Tedim on March 06, 2014, 09:23:57 AM
lol putin said the obvious sptznas troops are just civilians who bought the commando clothes,they can be "bought literaly in every clothing store"(putin words)


ok, so the usa has now imposed sanctions and sent destroyer ships to the krim-sea

they sanctioned the failed gov't in exile of Ukraine and froze their assets in Europe.....and the destroyer was a long ago scheduled training mission   ;D ;)
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Post by: mass243 on March 06, 2014, 09:51:46 AM
Crimean parliament announces it is now part of Russian Federation  ;D
Referendum to be held soon..

Listen at 0:35 - Crowd erupts!




Few Russian Mi-35's were seen circling above Sevastopol today:




Russia today sank an old vessel on coast of Ukraine to prevent possible naval vessels of hostile powers approaching it  8)

(http://i.imgur.com/EnzZhOg.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/fsqG5Xe.jpg)
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Post by: headhuntersix on March 06, 2014, 12:24:23 PM
I got a text from a gun nut friend of mine who was in the process of buy a Russian machine gun from one of the Russian arms companies. Apparently this whole thing has now fucked up the transaction. Putin is screwing everything up.
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Post by: mass243 on March 08, 2014, 06:05:15 AM
I have always said Russians have great sense of humor.

Yesterday the Paralympics in Sochi opened in tunes of a song "Goodbye, America"   ;D


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Post by: Roger Bacon on March 08, 2014, 07:28:05 PM
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Post by: Dr Dutch on March 10, 2014, 02:17:11 PM

Russia would clean table there too like in Sochi  8)

(http://i.imgur.com/HmheppR.png)
Holland did well...
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 13, 2014, 06:50:03 PM
Ron Paul Defends Putin: He Has 'Some Law on His Side' with Crimean Invasion

 on Breitbart TV 13 Mar 2014, 4:50 PM PDT 16 post a comment
In an appearance on the Fox Business Network's "The Independents" on Wednesday, former Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) defended the Russian invasion of Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula:

“This whole thing that Putin is the big cause of the trouble, and yet there’s pretty good evidence that the Europeans as well as the American government had to contrive to have the overthrow of a government that most people say had been elected,” Paul said.

“And then for them to come along and say, ‘Well, it’s an illegal government,’ and they want to have a referendum now, you know, in Crimea, ‘Oh, no, that’s not permissible, Everything that Putin does is illegal. He’s no angel, but actually he has some law on his side,” he added.

Watch the video: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/03/13/Ron-Paul-Defends-Putin-He-Has-Law-on-His-Side-With-Crimean-Invasion
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 14, 2014, 11:51:00 AM
Holland did well...


You Hollanders were in flames on all those skating competitions!!
Title: Re: Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*
Post by: mass243 on March 14, 2014, 11:53:40 AM

HAHA, Americans have woke up too  ;D

“We are collecting signatures for a national referendum on whether to remain a failed state – an economic basket case run by criminal oligarchs – or to join the Russian Federation under a President with a proven track record of bringing oligarchs to heel,” said Bill Blatsky, head of the Join Russia – Putin for President committee.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/11/putin4prez/