Civil War in Ukraine?? *Crazy footage*

[Slapper]

I'm european. I only blame european union for that shit. UE is responsible, using ukrainian ppl against their own gov.

Blame the UE for what? All I see is Ukrainians killing other Ukrainians. It's an internal matter at this point.

[Slapper]

The bigger issue here is that there is a competing power (Russia) wanting to get into a territory that was socio-economically bulldozed to be part of the EU.

Russia does not like it, so they are acting in kind, which is what WE do all the time. Only that we do not like it when it's done onto us.

[Roger Bacon]

16:06: BBC Monitoring reports: The Ukrainian State Border Service's regional HQ in Simferopol has been stormed and captured by "unidentified armed men", the service says in a statement circulated by UNIAN news agency. The headquarters of the Simferopol border detachment has also been taken.

16:07: According to the report, the attack was started by a group of plain-clothed men wearing bullet-proof vests and helmets, who were later joined by members of the Russian military.


Sooo.... Speetsnaz is in da house?  

Haha, holy shit Russians are like modern day Crusaders WTF  

Isn't there some international law about soldiers on the battlefield being identifiable by country or something?

[Icelord]

Isn't there some international law about soldiers being identifiable by country or something?

The only Law that Russia respects is Might makes Right.

[Mr Anabolic]

Isn't there some international law about soldiers on the battlefield being identifiable by country or something?

You simply cannot believe anything the MSM reports... not ever.

[StreetSoldier4U]

That's why this needs to change. National pride is very important IMO especially here in USA where it's a country of immigrants.

It's not going to change.  Minorities are conditioned to resent the established culture for historical wrongs perpetratored against them by that culture. The indoctrination process is meant to create a strong cultural identity in minorities in a society that they made very little contributions to. It failed. What was accomplished instead is the creation of deep seeded distrust, racial paranoia and rejection of established values that resulted in what we see today, rampant dysfunction in minority communities. .  

[mass243]

Isn't there some international law about soldiers on the battlefield being identifiable by country or something?

Well, technically yes. But especially special operatives tend to dress how it's most suitable for their mission.
I guess it would be pretty hard to prove they are actually soldiers of certain country.


Yesterday civilian clothed, yet heavily armed masked men made a mock attack against parliament house controlled by Russian forces in Crimea.
It remains completely unclear what was the reason of that. But looking at their weapons (GM-94 grenade launchers with even EOTech), their movements etc. it's quite clear they were Spetsnaz operatives - probably same ones that took part in the incident I posted in the post you quoted above.

[Roger Bacon]

Well, technically yes. But especially special operatives tend to dress how it's most suitable for their mission.
I guess it would be pretty hard to prove they are actually soldiers of certain country.


Yesterday civilian clothed, yet heavily armed masked men made a mock attack against parliament house controlled by Russian forces in Crimea.
It remains completely unclear what was the reason of that. But looking at their weapons (GM-94 grenade launchers with even EOTech), their movements etc. it's quite clear they were Spetsnaz operatives - probably same ones that took part in the incident I posted in the post you quoted above.

I don't understand why they're saying these pro EU instigators are Neo Nazis?

[mass243]

I don't understand why they're saying these pro EU instigators are Neo Nazis?

Because some of them are.

One of the parties now in power in Kiev (if you can say they have power over their country) is Svoboda. You can read about it from Wikipedia.

Svoboda has been described as an anti-Semitic and sometimes a Neo-Nazi party by international newspapers,[10][91][107] organizations that monitor hate speech,[108] Jewish organizations,[109][110] and political opponents.[50]


In May 2013 the World Jewish Congress labelled the party as "neo-Nazi" and called for European governments to ban them.[150]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ukrainian_Union_%22Svoboda%22#Criticism

[Roger Bacon]

Because some of them are.

One of the parties now in power in Kiev (if you can say they have power over their country) is Svoboda. You can read about it from Wikipedia.

Svoboda has been described as an anti-Semitic and sometimes a Neo-Nazi party by international newspapers,[10][91][107] organizations that monitor hate speech,[108] Jewish organizations,[109][110] and political opponents.[50]


In May 2013 the World Jewish Congress labelled the party as "neo-Nazi" and called for European governments to ban them.[150]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Ukrainian_Union_%22Svoboda%22#Criticism

Well what do they think the EU is going to do for them?  

I LOL'd hard when I read this:

ROFL

Seriously, what? Kerry tells Russia 'you don't invade a country on completely phony pretexts'

Published time: March 02, 2014 21:

The US Secretary of State spoke today of the unacceptability of invading a sovereign country on phony pretexts in order to assert one’s own interests in the 21st century. But no, he was not speaking about the United States, as one might have thought.

“You just don’t invade another country on phony pretext in order to assert your interests,” John Kerry said during an interview with NBC’s Meet the Press. “This is an act of aggression that is completely trumped up in terms of its pretext. It’s really 19th century behaviour in the 21st century.”

Read more: http://rt.com/news/kerry-russia-us-pretext-494/

[Roger Bacon]

Why isn't Sweden jumping to grant all these Ukrainians asylum?

They were so excited about bringing in a million Syrian refugees...

[StreetSoldier4U]

Why isn't Sweden jumping to grant all these Ukrainians asylum?

They were so excited about bringing in a million Syrian refugees...

Because they are white but I think you already know that.

[galeniko]

Isn't there some international law about soldiers on the battlefield being identifiable by country or something?

they are unknown militia according to the honorable mr putin

[Europe]

[Voici Le Rédempteur]

Well, technically yes. But especially special operatives tend to dress how it's most suitable for their mission.
I guess it would be pretty hard to prove they are actually soldiers of certain country.


Yesterday civilian clothed, yet heavily armed masked men made a mock attack against parliament house controlled by Russian forces in Crimea.
It remains completely unclear what was the reason of that. But looking at their weapons (GM-94 grenade launchers with even EOTech), their movements etc. it's quite clear they were Spetsnaz operatives - probably same ones that took part in the incident I posted in the post you quoted above.

Cool CounterStrike map bro.

[Roger Bacon]

‘Any government willing to cooperate with the IMF will be heralded as legitimate’
Published time: March 02, 2014 07:31

The West's proposed financial aid will not solve Ukraine’s economic problems, but increase austerity, professor of political economy Jeffrey Sommers told RT.

If the self-proclaimed government in Kiev cooperates with the IMF, it will be regarded as legitimate in the West, even if its decisions are unpopular in Ukraine itself, Sommers says.

RT: Who do you think would be willing to foot that bill of $35 billion that Ukraine needs to stay afloat?

Jeffrey Sommers: I think it is certainly unlikely that either the EU or the US will come up with that level of funding especially given the tendency towards cutting budgets and austerity in either country. Now of course the IMF very much would like to come forward with the stabilization program and of course this would result in austerity being imposed on the Ukrainian economy and people but it is just difficult to say whether they’ll muster the political will to come with that level of funding and it does not really do anything to solve medium to long run problems in the Ukrainian economy anyway.

RT: Many within the country consider the current government illegitimate, would international organisations, like the IMF, be open to dealing with it?

JS: Well I think unfortunately any government that expresses its willingness to working with IMF in imposing the structural adjustment is going to be heralded as legitimate and so represent the popular will whether it does or does not.

 RT: Any cash would most likely come with unpopular reforms. How could that affect the already explosive situation in the country?

JS: Well I think the current government as it is currently composed will just blame Russia for the problems that will come with an austerity budget. So they have the opportunity to deflect the information either by IMF or even the EU. So I think that is one of the consequences that we might see. Of course Ukraine’s economy is a very precarious place right now. It could be more competitive if it could receive the reduced energy prices which Russia was offering. That would make its chief export sector – metals even more competitive and it can be quite good for it. But if Russian gas prices go up for Ukraine, this could be quite bad for them.

RT: Given East Ukraine, which is gripped by mass pro-Russian protests, is the most economically developed part of the country. How will the current divisions affect Ukraine's economy?

JS: Well it is really depended upon how much control the central government can assert over the east. So if the east loses its export markets in Russia, it can also be quite devastating for it. Ukraine has international markets beyond Russia and the CIS for its metal products but again if Russian gas prices for Ukraine go up then those metal products are going to be less competitive on the world markets. So it is a very difficult situation for Ukraine and its economy.

[galeniko]

aha,imf.

govt policiy adaptions vs moneys.


whoms is the imf?


hm now the elderly will start thinking, who will be able to pay my pension, russia or the new clowns in kiev.

[O.Z.]

true, false?

[Anabol]

1999 - ignoring international law , bypassing the UN and the Security Council , the United States , NATO forces launched a campaign of the 78-day aerial bombardment of the sovereign state of Yugoslavia.
2000 - coup in Belgrade. Americans finally overthrew the hated Milosevic.
2001 - the invasion of Afghanistan . A typical Americans torture, prohibited weapons , mass destruction of civilians , the assurances of the imminent reconstruction of the country , the use of depleted uranium and finally sucked from the finger "proof" of bin Laden's involvement in the terrorist attack of September 11, 2001 , which is based on the questionable videos illegible sound and totally different from bin Laden's man.
2001 - Americans chase throughout Macedonia for Albanian terrorists of the Kosovo Liberation Army , who have been trained and armed by the same Americans to fight the Serbs.
2002 - American troops are introduced to the Philippines because fear of popular unrest there .
2002 - 2004 - Venezuela . In 2002, . there was a pro-American coup , the opposition illegally shifted the popular President Hugo Chavez. The very next day popular uprising in support of the president , Chavez rescued from prison and returned to the post .
2003 - " anti-terrorist operation " in the Philippines.
2003 - Iraq .
2003 - Liberia .
2003 - Syria . U.S. commanders acknowledged the clashes with the Syrian border guards. On the countryside were thrown paratroopers . From the air, landing SWAT covered planes and helicopters.
2003 - Coup in Georgia. Directly help the Georgian opposition has provided the U.S. ambassador in Tbilisi , Richard Miles , that is, it was done with the approval of the White House.
2004 - Haiti. America invades .
2004 - The attempted coup in Equatorial Guinea, where there are solid oil .
2004 - pro-American coup in Ukraine. Part 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5, 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , 10, 11.
2008 - August 8. The war in South Ossetia. U.S. financed and trained the Georgian aggression on the Republic of South Ossetia. On the side of the Georgian aggressors fought American military specialists .
2011 - the bombing of Libya.
2012 - the bombing of Syria.

[mass243]

Shiiit, Moscow Stock Exchange down 6% this morning  
Could as well go all out at this point.

[mass243]

Nice footage. Rossiyan hecos flying over strait of Kerch  
Flying quite low.

[Tedim]

hm now the elderly will start thinking, who will be able to pay my pension, russia or the new clowns in kiev.

truth.....bottom line!

[mass243]

Russia has apparently been testing Ukraina last night. Ukrainian MoD reported airspace violations by several Russian fighters.
Ukrainian air defence is purely Soviet origin so I assume Russia can disable it pretty easily if necessary.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/03/uk-urkaine-crisis-jets-idUKBREA220W520140303

[Shockwave]

Im in Germany right now.... I t s interesting to see how hard the news channels in germany are pushing for US intervention.

[James]