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Title: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on January 28, 2014, 10:22:42 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/28/obama-minimum-wage_n_4677355.html
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: James28 on January 28, 2014, 11:02:39 AM
In before Coach;

'The left, the left, the left, the left, the left, the left'

*and when he's cornered*

'You just don't get it do you?' (usually he's not getting it at all)
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Shockwave on January 28, 2014, 11:08:00 AM
I wonder if im going to get a 2.00/hr raise to compensate for the increase in prices thanks to raising the federal minimum raise?

Of course not, because that wouldn't bring down those that make more towards the level of rhe poor.....
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 28, 2014, 11:11:08 AM
Watch and learn.   F Obama

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Wiggs on January 28, 2014, 11:27:45 AM
This is only for federal contractors. Not the national min. wage.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 11:29:33 AM
Of course not, because that wouldn't bring down those that make more towards the level of rhe poor.....

That's the goal, and they want your guns so you can't defend yourself when all middle-class neighborhoods have been overrun by Obama's constituents.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 28, 2014, 11:36:10 AM
In before Coach;

'The left, the left, the left, the left, the left, the left'

*and when he's cornered*

'You just don't get it do you?' (usually he's not getting it at all)

Next to you, Obama and the political left (and anyone who supports this) have to be the dumbest people on the planet.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Shockwave on January 28, 2014, 11:37:38 AM
This is only for federal contractors. Not the national min. wage.
even worse.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Tapeworm on January 28, 2014, 11:45:56 AM
That's it.  I'm kicking more homeless people from now on.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 28, 2014, 11:52:48 AM
wow, so govt workers minimum wage is 9usd per hour now?

haha, america land of the dream

oh brother


Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: alabama ftw on January 28, 2014, 11:55:10 AM
wow, so govt workers minimum wage is 9usd per hour now?

haha, america land of the dream

oh brother



COMMIE
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: YngiweRhoads on January 28, 2014, 11:57:29 AM
Min wage is $10.45/hr here.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Shockwave on January 28, 2014, 12:02:48 PM
That's it.  I'm kicking more homeless people from now on.
pffft... everytime a homeless asks me for change, I douse him in gas and toss a lit zippo on him whilst muttering 'yippie kye yay, motherf*cker'

time to up your game.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 28, 2014, 12:04:05 PM
oh wait, dont worry, the minimum wage makes it almost impossible to make ends meet?

just get another job on top of the first, be mobile haha

or better, invest in stock market, buy when low, sell when high, yeah right this shananigan works for everyone.

1% population is prison

healthcare a luxury

30million+ enjoying foodstamp barbecues

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Shockwave on January 28, 2014, 12:07:50 PM
oh wait, dont worry, the minimum wage makes it almost impossible to make ends meet?

just get another job on top of the first, be mobile haha

or better, invest in stock market, buy when low, sell when high, yeah right this shananigan works for everyone.

1% population is prison

healthcare a luxury

30million+ enjoying foodstamp barbecues


damn right. Most fair country on earth. You get out of life what you put on, we dont have no lazy ass motherfuckers shit. Thats true fairness and equality. Get whayever youre willing to fight and die for (or kill, or fucm over, or work hard, etc etc) ;D
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 28, 2014, 12:11:09 PM
damn right. Most fair country on earth. You get out of life what you put on, we dont have no lazy ass motherfuckers shit. Thats true fairness and equality. Get whayever youre willing to fight and die for (or kill, or fucm over, or work hard, etc etc) ;D
you realize that theres plenty of nations in europe blowing the median quality of life right away compared to the usa?

while being just as ca[italist frendly if not more than the us.and while having a very strong social system.

what does this tell us? :D

just bc theres a social system in place doesnt mean the population is du,mb enough to take advantage of that.its not the way usa ppl think it is.

but i admire the americans positivity, serious
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: The Grim Lifter on January 28, 2014, 12:11:34 PM
oh wait, dont worry, the minimum wage makes it almost impossible to make ends meet?

just get another job on top of the first, be mobile haha

or better, invest in stock market, buy when low, sell when high, yeah right this shananigan works for everyone.

1% population is prison

healthcare a luxury

30million+ enjoying foodstamp barbecues



Get another job or a better paying job? Are you nuts? When you can stay in the same shitty job and just complain?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: James28 on January 28, 2014, 12:15:10 PM
Next to you, Obama and the political left (and anyone who supports this) have to be the dumbest people on the planet.

Obama is about 5x smarter than you are and would make you look like an utter fool in any debate. No offense Joe.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: alabama ftw on January 28, 2014, 12:16:25 PM
you realize that theres plenty of nations in europe blowing the median quality of life right away compared to the usa?
Plenty? Pretty much the whole western world has it better. Switzerland, Canada Scandinavia, Germany etc etc has MUCH higher quality of life. But they are fucking commies!

but i admire the americans positivity, serious
Even Tbombz is positive about the situation.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 28, 2014, 12:17:45 PM
Plenty? Pretty much the whole western world has it better. Switzerland, Canada Scandinavia, Germany etc etc has MUCH higher quality of life. But they are fucking commies!
Even Tbombz is positive about the situation.

So we should deport all brown people? 
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 28, 2014, 12:20:00 PM
Get another job or a better paying job? Are you nuts? When you can stay in the same shitty job and just complain?
er better, get aditional education ,some school that will rip you out of money and then they gonna say you got no experience :D

look,man, spare me the "just get a better paying job"as if they fall out of the blue sky,lol, but i agree with you complaining wont go anywhere, depending on govt is bad bad thing, here one can start as stock broker any time, no wage only "dividends", but the opurtunity is here.

the system as it is is ok, maybe the best times throughout history.all factors considered

Plenty? Pretty much the whole western world has it better. Switzerland, Canada Scandinavia, Germany etc etc has MUCH higher quality of life. But they are fucking commies!
Even Tbombz is positive about the situation.
nah germany is about on par with usa, its overrated overall, but yeah theres many who do better(currently at least)

wouldnt call them communist, you disqualify yourself from serious debate by using such terms, nothing could be further from the truth
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 12:23:18 PM
1% population is prison

healthcare a luxury Only 15% of Americans don't buy health insurance, lots of them by choice

30million+ enjoying foodstamp barbecues 10% of the US population, equivalent to Canada and Europe.

You have a very Michael Mooreish view of the US. Healthcare isn't a luxury, the real issue is people here don't want/need the government meddling in their private arrangements (Obama won't stand for that though).

(http://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/hdi-top10-600x435.png)


(http://www.motherjones.com/files/this.png)
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: alabama ftw on January 28, 2014, 12:23:54 PM
wouldnt call them communist, you disqualify yourself from serious debate by using such terms, nothing could be further from the truth
I suppose they dont have irony in Switzerland?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 12:34:21 PM

 Astonishing Numbers: America's Poor Still Live Better Than Most Of The Rest Of Humanity

(http://b-i.forbesimg.com/timworstall/files/2013/06/inequality.png)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/01/astonishing-numbers-americas-poor-still-live-better-than-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/

However, look at it a little more closely in relation to other countries. We’re often told that to be poor in the US is much worse than being poor in the social democracies of Europe. And the bottom 10% in the US are indeed worse off than the bottom 10% in Sweden. But they’re better off than the bottom 10% in Germany or France: places where we are told that there is indeed that social democracy.

Maybe there’s something for this capitalism red in tooth and claw then: given that it does seem to improve the lives of the poor.

Take another look as well: we know that Russia is where bloated plutocrats loot everything from the country: and yet the bottom 10% in the US have, by this measure at least, better lives than the top 10% in Russia. And the top 10% in Portugal (where I live) and Mexico.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 12:38:51 PM
The United States won't ever have a government mandated, mediocre distribution of wealth (like Europe), that's not our thing.

(http://www.motherjones.com/files/millionaires%20by%20country%20of%20residence.png)
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 28, 2014, 12:41:32 PM
hell no not talking about economy, germany has strong economy too, but ask the german ppl how they are lol

and dont trust an amercian research on america lol.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 28, 2014, 12:41:58 PM
I wonder if im going to get a 2.00/hr raise to compensate for the increase in prices thanks to raising the federal minimum raise?

Of course not, because that wouldn't bring down those that make more towards the level of rhe poor.....

Shouldn't it be a "percentage"?

That's what I'm going to press for at my next performance eval or interview.

if Fed minimum is from let's say 8 - 10 bucks.

That's 25% increase...

I like at 25% pay increase... Fuck yeah!
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Bevo on January 28, 2014, 12:43:08 PM
You have a very Michael Mooreish view of the US. Healthcare isn't a luxury, the real issue is people here don't want/need the government meddling in their private arrangements (Obama won't stand for that though).

(http://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/hdi-top10-600x435.png)


(http://www.motherjones.com/files/this.png)

Haha Africa and Eastern Europe  ;D
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: alabama ftw on January 28, 2014, 12:46:39 PM
The United States won't ever have a government mandated, mediocre distribution of wealth (like Europe), that's not our thing.

(http://www.motherjones.com/files/millionaires%20by%20country%20of%20residence.png)
We have distribution of wealth to the rich and corporations.

http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/

You got to be consistent.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 12:47:49 PM
Haha Africa and Eastern Europe  ;D

lol

Compared to the rest of the world, the US is overall inline with Europe in almost every category. That's a huge accomplishment on our part considering our huge population, our small government and low taxes (in comparison), demographics, and history.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: temple_of_dis on January 28, 2014, 12:47:59 PM
democrats spend, but others pay

very bad arrangement

how about we reduce got debt to 0 by lowering taxes 80% and lowering spending 90%

end all pensions
end fed
end public school
end all gov expenditures not related to courts and defense
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 12:49:10 PM
We have distribution of wealth to the rich and corporations.

http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/

You got to be consistent.

Astonishing Numbers: America's Poor Still Live Better Than Most Of The Rest Of Humanity

(http://b-i.forbesimg.com/timworstall/files/2013/06/inequality.png)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/01/astonishing-numbers-americas-poor-still-live-better-than-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/

However, look at it a little more closely in relation to other countries. We’re often told that to be poor in the US is much worse than being poor in the social democracies of Europe. And the bottom 10% in the US are indeed worse off than the bottom 10% in Sweden. But they’re better off than the bottom 10% in Germany or France: places where we are told that there is indeed that social democracy.

Maybe there’s something for this capitalism red in tooth and claw then: given that it does seem to improve the lives of the poor.

Take another look as well: we know that Russia is where bloated plutocrats loot everything from the country: and yet the bottom 10% in the US have, by this measure at least, better lives than the top 10% in Russia. And the top 10% in Portugal (where I live) and Mexico.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 28, 2014, 12:49:22 PM
What if W had lowered the minimum wage saying that minimum wage laws hurt employment by EO?   ;)
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: bears on January 28, 2014, 12:50:25 PM
In before Coach;

'The left, the left, the left, the left, the left, the left'

*and when he's cornered*

'You just don't get it do you?' (usually he's not getting it at all)

right because there are absolutely ZERO negative consequences to raising the minimum wage.  right?  

are you even the least bit concerned for the safety of people's jobs due to the increase?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 12:51:13 PM
and dont trust an amercian research on america lol.

The Economist is an English-language weekly news and international affairs publication owned by The Economist Newspaper Ltd. and edited in offices in London.[2][3]
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Necrosis on January 28, 2014, 12:55:55 PM
Watch and learn.   F Obama



This guy is a moron dude.

Places with high minimum wages have a pretty low unemployed rate because of a thing called economics. What this shmuck doesn't understand is that increasing the wage increases spending and investing potential. Henry ford was famous for arguing for high minimum wages, in order to be consumers of his product.

Also, his analogy is ripe with fallacies, increasing the wage may mean lay-offs but he is presuming that less man power is an option, that firing people is an option, the money will generally come off the profit or out of the consumers pocket, usually the latter.

More money in more peoples hands with abilities to invest, spend and create should be the goal of all countries.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: bears on January 28, 2014, 01:01:08 PM
This guy is a moron dude.

Places with high minimum wages have a pretty low unemployed rate because of a thing called economics. What this shmuck doesn't understand is that increasing the wage increases spending and investing potential. Henry ford was famous for arguing for high minimum wages, in order to be consumers of his product.

Also, his analogy is ripe with fallacies, increasing the wage may mean lay-offs but he is presuming that less man power is an option, that firing people is an option, the money will generally come off the profit or out of the consumers pocket, usually the latter.

More money in more peoples hands with abilities to invest, spend and create should be the goal of all countries.



that may well be the silliest post on this entire board.  you know nothing about the most basic fundamental concepts of macroeconomics.  in short.....JUST ..........FUCKING......S TOP.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Shockwave on January 28, 2014, 01:01:24 PM
This guy is a moron dude.

Places with high minimum wages have a pretty low unemployed rate because of a thing called economics. What this shmuck doesn't understand is that increasing the wage increases spending and investing potential. Henry ford was famous for arguing for high minimum wages, in order to be consumers of his product.

Also, his analogy is ripe with fallacies, increasing the wage may mean lay-offs but he is presuming that less man power is an option, that firing people is an option, the money will generally come off the profit or out of the consumers pocket, usually the latter.

More money in more peoples hands with abilities to invest, spend and create should be the goal of all countries.


you said it yourself... wtf is increasing peoplea wages if its just going to go back out because the products now costs more?

Except now the guys that DIDNT see a wage increase have decreased buying power.

by your own logic, the poor gained effectively nothing and everyone else loses money.

Brutal logic.
Derrrpppp
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: YngiweRhoads on January 28, 2014, 01:27:18 PM
This guy is a moron dude.

Places with high minimum wages have a pretty low unemployed rate because of a thing called economics. What this shmuck doesn't understand is that increasing the wage increases spending and investing potential. Henry ford was famous for arguing for high minimum wages, in order to be consumers of his product.

Also, his analogy is ripe with fallacies, increasing the wage may mean lay-offs but he is presuming that less man power is an option, that firing people is an option, the money will generally come off the profit or out of the consumers pocket, usually the latter.

More money in more peoples hands with abilities to invest, spend and create should be the goal of all countries.



We have a high minimum wage, very low unemployment and a very low cost of living.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: jwb on January 28, 2014, 01:32:39 PM
The greatest scam ever has been the ultra rich and politically influential convincing the middle class of American that the poor are the burden on the economy whilst they set up blind trusts and avoid taxes like crazy.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Shockwave on January 28, 2014, 01:33:33 PM
We have a high minimum wage, very low unemployment and a very low cost of living.
Canada, right? Little bit different population demographics
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 01:34:53 PM
The greatest scam ever has been the ultra rich and politically influential convincing the middle class of American that the poor are the burden on the economy whilst they set up blind trusts and avoid taxes like crazy.


Yep, I'm so sick of those evil rich bastards employing all of us and paying the vast majority of taxes. They owe us way more.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 28, 2014, 01:35:33 PM
Raising the minimum wage will either make a business charge more or they will make due with less employees. The excitement over this on this thread shows a lot of kids living at home working minimum wage jobs thinking this is a great idea. Why don't we just make McDonald's pay everyone $20 and hour? They can afford it. Just don"t be mad when you order a number #4 combo meal and it costs $15 bucks. Liberal thinking is ruining Europe and the US.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 01:38:28 PM
The excitement over this on this thread shows a lot of kids living at home working minimum wage jobs thinking this is a great idea. Why don't we just make McDonald's pay everyone $20 and hour? They can

Exactly, lol

If people are not earning enough, there are a few underlying problems that need to be dealt with. A "quick fix" like government mandated minimum wage won't do a thing (except fool minimum wage employees).
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Shockwave on January 28, 2014, 01:43:04 PM

Yep, I'm so sick of those evil rich bastards employing all of us and paying the vast majority of taxes. They owe us way more.
I just dont understand entitlement. .... the idea that someone 'owes' me something for nothing makes literally zero sense to me.

I cant understand people who feel that those that are better off for whateber reason, owe them shit just because they were born and 'they can afford it dammit'.

Would anyone here give someone their car just because they can afford it? Of course not. Or would you let a hobo sleep on your couch and ear your foof? After all, youre better off and you can afford it, so ypu owe them shit just because they have less.

how the fuck do people think that makes any fucking sense?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 28, 2014, 01:44:42 PM
I just dont understand entitlement. .... the idea that someone 'owes' me something for nothing makes literally zero sense to me.

I cant understand people who feel that those that are better off for whateber reason, owe them shit just because they were born and 'they can afford it dammit'.

Would anyone here give someone their car just because they can afford it? Of course not. Or would you let a hobo sleep on your couch and ear your foof? After all, youre better off and you can afford it, so ypu owe them shit just because they have less.

how the fuck do people think that makes any fucking sense?

Hell no!

I never let hobos ear my foof!

I might buy a broke guy a taco though.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 01:48:14 PM
ROFL

I seriously have no clue what ear my foof means?  ;D
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Parker on January 28, 2014, 01:53:02 PM
That's the goal, and they want your guns so you can't defend yourself when all middle-class neighborhoods have been overrun by Obama's constituents.
Many who are from the middle class...
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 28, 2014, 01:54:18 PM
Why not make it $20 an hour?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 01:55:34 PM
Many who are from the middle class...


good point, but it ruins the mental image I'm trying to create...  ;D
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Shockwave on January 28, 2014, 02:22:07 PM
Hell no!

I never let hobos ear my foof!

I might buy a broke guy a taco though.


Damn you cell phones! Ruination of grammar commencinf
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Shockwave on January 28, 2014, 02:22:51 PM
ROFL

I seriously have no clue what ear my foof means?  ;D
eat your food.

damn cellnphones.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 02:23:46 PM
eat your food.

damn cellnphones.

rofl... oh

I thought ear my foof was some dirty expression I never heard.. lol
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: jwb on January 28, 2014, 02:42:49 PM
Minimum hourly wages in Australia for level 1 employees (the lowest)

Car park attendant $17.25
Fast food employee $17.98
Food and beverage $16.37
Gardener $16.85
Waste management $17.43

Current unemployment rate 5.8%
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 02:49:07 PM
Minimum hourly wages in Australia for level 1 employees (the lowest)

Car park attendant $17.25
Fast food employee $17.98
Food and beverage $16.37
Gardener $16.85
Waste management $17.43

Current unemployment rate 5.8%

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Australia&country2=United+States
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: honest on January 28, 2014, 03:00:59 PM
All humans temporarily  sterilised at birth, apply for means tested reproduction licenses, if you don't work or cant afford to have children the procedure isn't reversed.

At retirement age of 65, unless self funded you are terminated.

Tax rates are very low to assist you to save for longer life and your own health care.

Welfare dependants breeding and ageing populations biggest issues confronting our way of life. Not a very popular theory but over population is a huge issue, especially when theres an ever increasing number who don't contribute positively at all.

I would only donate money to Africa if a charity was willing to feed people and sterilise them at the same time.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 28, 2014, 03:07:02 PM
we got no foodstamps here, no such thing.

also, mini loans as popular in the usa as in pakistan,lol.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 28, 2014, 03:54:45 PM
democrats spend, but others pay

very bad arrangement

how about we reduce got debt to 0 by lowering taxes 80% and lowering spending 90%

end all pensions
end fed
end public school
end all gov expenditures not related to courts and defense
are you saying the democrats outspend the gop?

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Pray_4_War on January 28, 2014, 03:56:57 PM
It's so awesome that Obama can just do things on his own without having to worry about that pesky legislative branch of government.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Montague on January 28, 2014, 03:57:27 PM
This is only for federal contractors. Not the national min. wage.


I didn't realize there were Federal employees making minimum wage.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Nomad on January 28, 2014, 03:58:34 PM
I wonder if im going to get a 2.00/hr raise to compensate for the increase in prices thanks to raising the federal minimum raise?

Of course not, because that wouldn't bring down those that make more towards the level of rhe poor.....

99% of the cheap stuff that would hve been made with labor here in USA is made in China...

So where will the price increases come from?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 28, 2014, 04:00:08 PM
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Australia&country2=United+States
this is easy, a higher wage still allows you to put money aside if you dont have those unnecesary luxuries.



It's so awesome that Obama can just do things on his own without having to worry about that pesky legislative branch of government.
what exactly you mean?

the jsoc troops?

ah i see that doesnt concern anyone.

you mean the health care thing,right?

didnt the courts, and senate and congress have their say on this?

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Pray_4_War on January 28, 2014, 04:04:12 PM
this is easy, a higher wage still allows you to put money aside if you dont have those unnecesary luxuries.


what exactly you mean?

the jsoc troops?

ah i see that doesnt concern anyone.

you mean the health care thing,right?

didnt the courts, and senate and congress have their say on this?



What exactly I mean is that this dude is in love with taking executive action.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 28, 2014, 04:07:43 PM
What exactly I mean is that this dude is in love with taking executive action.
name some examples.

hes the elected potus lol, ofc he cares about an agenda.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Pray_4_War on January 28, 2014, 04:24:04 PM
name some examples.

hes the elected potus lol, ofc he cares about an agenda.



If you follow politics the last 5 years there are numerous examples.  To be frank I just don't feel like posting them all.  Look up gun control for one example.  There is a laundry list of those alone.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: TheShape on January 28, 2014, 04:24:35 PM
The reason for higher wages is all that money on the top is not going anywhere at the moment, it just sits there. Make wages higher and that money is able to flow through the economy and it just goes back to the rich anyways.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 28, 2014, 04:28:54 PM
This guy is a moron dude.

Places with high minimum wages have a pretty low unemployed rate because of a thing called economics. What this shmuck doesn't understand is that increasing the wage increases spending and investing potential. Henry ford was famous for arguing for high minimum wages, in order to be consumers of his product.

Also, his analogy is ripe with fallacies, increasing the wage may mean lay-offs but he is presuming that less man power is an option, that firing people is an option, the money will generally come off the profit or out of the consumers pocket, usually the latter.

More money in more peoples hands with abilities to invest, spend and create should be the goal of all countries.


yes exactly, this guy in the video is dumb.

The minimum wage in Ontario was 7 + dollars and it jumped to 10 bucks in one shot and it worked out for everyone and nothing bad happened at all. This argument was present here to but nothing came about it.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 28, 2014, 04:34:17 PM
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Australia&country2=United+States
ok so price of living is 30% higher, so what? The wages in Australia are 130% higher, damn well worth the trade, wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Pray_4_War on January 28, 2014, 04:35:26 PM
There is no way to out smart economic reality.  Business owners are smart and when they are forced to pay more, they pass it on to the consumer.  They aren't just going to eat it.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: che on January 28, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
ok so price of living is 30% higher, so what? The wages in Australia are 130% higher, damn well worth the trade, wouldn't you say?

Exactly ,  Bacon is a retard .
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 28, 2014, 04:40:04 PM
ok so price of living is 30% higher, so what? The wages in Australia are 130% higher, damn well worth the trade, wouldn't you say?
yah,its as simple as this:

how much can you put aside end of month?

thats it.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 04:41:10 PM

I didn't realize there were Federal employees making minimum wage.

Who are they? lol

My uncle is a Federal employee and he makes about twice what he deserves.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 04:46:05 PM
ok so price of living is 30% higher, so what? The wages in Australia are 130% higher, damn well worth the trade, wouldn't you say?

What's the Australian median income versus the United States?

I doubt wages are 130% higher.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 04:50:27 PM
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Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: insanity_bb on January 28, 2014, 04:57:16 PM
ok so price of living is 30% higher, so what? The wages in Australia are 130% higher, damn well worth the trade, wouldn't you say?

Median income is higher in the US. US standards of living for the median and average are significantly higher than australia.

If you raise minimum wages and product costs all increase, all you've done is devalue your currency. The entire idea of a minimum wage is moronic and illogical. Even the US Treasury recognized and stated this fact when the US min wage was first introduced, yet somehow a vocal group of populists has succeeded in eradicating common sense among the populace.

yah,its as simple as this:

how much can you put aside end of month?

thats it.



yah exactly   ::) which would mean the average Australian has a MUCH harder time doing this.

Who are they? lol

My uncle is a Federal employee and he makes about twice what he deserves.

It will only affect the Federal janitors and food services folks.

It's a distraction. The entire income inequality discussion is a distraction. Distract from the fact that the 1st world all have shit economies and poor growth. The american lefts' policies have all failed to create growth and grow the pie. So they must distract and talk about redistributing the stagnant pie.

It's the same populist bullshit thats been spewed verbatim since Ancient Rome. Quite literally. Diocletian did all of this once before and failed miserably.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 28, 2014, 05:04:38 PM
Median income is higher in the US. US standards of living for the median and average are significantly higher than australia.

If you raise minimum wages and product costs all increase, all you've done is devalue your currency. The entire idea of a minimum wage is moronic and illogical. Even the US Treasury recognized and stated this fact when the US min wage was first introduced, yet somehow a vocal group of populists has succeeded in eradicating common sense among the populace.
this is BS, the jump we took on minimum wage was from 7 to 10 dollars in a single shot and guess what? bigmac combos are still 8 bucks before and now 4 years later and guess what? rent is the same and guess what? a loaf of bread is still 2 bucks and milk is the same, smokes are the same, beer is the same, gym memberships are the same, nothing has changed in 4 years since this oocured

Oh BTW vehicles have taken a huge drop in prices, so due to all this a minimum wage worker where I am from can now drive a nice SUV
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 28, 2014, 05:09:30 PM
What's the Australian median income versus the United States?

I doubt wages are 130% higher.


well in the post you responded to there were jobs that were being paid at 16 dollars versus the US's minimum wage, which is indeed 130%
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: insanity_bb on January 28, 2014, 05:11:35 PM
well in the post you responded to there were jobs that were being paid at 16 dollars versus the US's minimum wage, which is indeed 130%

Yes and everyone else is poorer because of it. Hence the reason why MEDIAN wage is the relevant statistic.

this is BS, the jump we took on minimum wage was from 7 to 10 dollars in a single shot and guess what? bigmac combos are still 8 bucks before and now 4 years later and guess what? rent is the same and guess what? a loaf of bread is still 2 bucks and milk is the same, smokes are the same, beer is the same, gym memberships are the same, nothing has changed in 4 years since this oocured

Oh BTW vehicles have taken a huge drop in prices, so due to all this a minimum wage worker where I am from can now drive a nice SUV

You should probably pay more attention to your local news. Ontario is trying again to raise the min wage because the cost of living has outgrown the minimum wage, even after the increase.

So no, all those things are not the same.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 28, 2014, 05:12:01 PM
well in the post you responded to there were jobs that were being paid at 16 dollars versus the US's minimum wage, which is indeed 130%

Then you're comparing apples to oranges.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 28, 2014, 05:14:58 PM


yah exactly   ::) which would mean the average Australian has a MUCH harder time doing this.


uhm.

i china, say an average wage is 200usd month.
cost of life is little, alright, for the basic things.
now lets say one is tight and puts away 50usd a month.

compare this

to switzerland, average wage will be 4000 or so usd(including 5 weeks paid holyday,hope this helps)

can put 1500usd a month aside.


thank you, no more questions.


well in the post you responded to there were jobs that were being paid at 16 dollars versus the US's minimum wage, which is indeed 130%
yah,or even more.

increasing ones branch minimum wage cant hurt much, if some employers can afford that, they have no place in the free market ;D :D

gotta stay competitive :D

if you increase everyones minimum wage, theres a risk of higher prices on some goods as result.

or less profits for the coes, and shareholders.






Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 28, 2014, 05:16:44 PM
Yes and everyone else is poorer because of it. Hence the reason why MEDIAN wage is the relevant statistic.

You should probably pay more attention to your local news. Ontario is trying again to raise the min wage because the cost of living has outgrown the minimum wage, even after the increase.

So no, all those things are not the same.
the cost of living in ontario has not changed at all, i live here, I know it has not changed,

So if everyone else's is poorer as in the middle class and high class then so be it, they are not the ones struggling, they can afford to give a little.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: insanity_bb on January 28, 2014, 05:25:21 PM
the cost of living in ontario has not changed at all, i live here, I know it has not changed,

So if everyone else's is poorer as in the middle class and high class then so be it, they are not the ones struggling, they can afford to give a little.


A quick google search tells me it has changed and exactly by how much. Your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant.

And yes, thank you for just calling it what it is. Wealth redistribution. Not economic stimulus lol
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: insanity_bb on January 28, 2014, 05:26:55 PM
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Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 28, 2014, 05:29:02 PM
ok "maynard keynes" ::)

haha , everyone is oorer bc of increased wages, have i got that lesson right? ;D
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Pray_4_War on January 28, 2014, 10:35:52 PM
name some examples.

hes the elected potus lol, ofc he cares about an agenda.



How's this galeniko?

Quoted from the AOL/Huffpost article tonight after his State of the Union speech.

President Barack Obama vowed Tuesday night in his State of the Union address to sidestep Congress "whenever and wherever" necessary to narrow economic disparities between rich and poor.

Again the evidence proves me right about President fuckface.  His own words.  Doesn't seem very in line with our constitution and our founding principles. 
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Schnauzer on January 28, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot help the wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer.

 - Abraham Lincoln
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Teutonic Knight on January 29, 2014, 12:01:27 AM
My American friends, Australians live much better than you.
Every time when I visit yours shores there is more & more beggar's (black & white),more homeless, sad picture of once mighty nation.
Australian social security & medical system (just like in EC) is far ahead of yours.
Every one has right for free medical assistance & unemployment benefits (no cut offs here).
Food,climate & much more relax life is easy win for Aussie, you guys work much harder for much less.

Without massive WW3, there is simply no way for yours industrial recovery.
O, yes you have never ending Red Carpet TV circus & yes BB freaks.
Looks like God bless America is no more.
This week I am buying another Jeep (JK8 Wrangler ) the best car in the World.

 


Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 29, 2014, 05:28:45 AM
My American friends, Australians live much better than you.
Every time when I visit yours shores there is more & more beggar's (black & white),more homeless, sad picture of once mighty nation.
Australian social security & medical system (just like in EC) is far ahead of yours.
Every one has right for free medical assistance & unemployment benefits (no cut offs here).
Food,climate & much more relax life is easy win for Aussie, you guys work much harder for much less.

Without massive WW3, there is simply no way for yours industrial recovery.
O, yes you have never ending Red Carpet TV circus & yes BB freaks.
Looks like God bless America is no more.
This week I am buying another Jeep (JK8 Wrangler ) the best car in the World.

 





 ::)
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: polychronopolous on January 29, 2014, 05:32:22 AM
How's this galeniko?

Quoted from the AOL/Huffpost article tonight after his State of the Union speech.

President Barack Obama vowed Tuesday night in his State of the Union address to sidestep Congress "whenever and wherever" necessary to narrow economic disparities between rich and poor.

Again the evidence proves me right about President fuckface.  His own words.  Doesn't seem very in line with our constitution and our founding principles. 

At that point he should have been dragged outside and hung by an oak tree on principle alone.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 29, 2014, 05:34:28 AM
At that point he should have been dragged outside and hung by an oak tree on principle alone.

Yep.  No admin has tried so hard to circumvent the system to get their agenda furthered.  Disgrace in every possible way.   
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 29, 2014, 05:38:01 AM
How's this galeniko?

Quoted from the AOL/Huffpost article tonight after his State of the Union speech.

President Barack Obama vowed Tuesday night in his State of the Union address to sidestep Congress "whenever and wherever" necessary to narrow economic disparities between rich and poor.

Again the evidence proves me right about President fuckface.  His own words.  Doesn't seem very in line with our constitution and our founding principles. 
this is bad indeed.

he knew gop would block that, but such is life.theres no excuse for this,we agree.

btw usa has 2% ppl on minimum wage, increasing that will have no eonomical effect.

nothing worth mention atleast.

keep in mind i never said obama is sound in all decisions.


Yep.  No admin has tried so hard to circumvent the system to get their agenda furthered.  Disgrace in every possible way.   
dont be so sure about that, read the book "dirty wars"

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: The Showstoppa on January 29, 2014, 05:50:05 AM
this is bad indeed.

he knew gop would block that, but such is life.theres no excuse for this,we agree.

btw usa has 2% ppl on minimum wage, increasing that will have no eonomical effect.

nothing worth mention atleast.

keep in mind i never said obama is sound in all decisions.

dont be so sure about that, read the book "dirty wars"



Have studied US politics for years and know that many admins have played dirty but nowhere near this level.  Just look at the number of executive orders this clown has signed. And if you arent sure what that means, essentially instead of having input from congress ie: the people, an exec order overrides the process.  He seeks ways to get his personal agenda across with no regard to what the majority want. 
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: alabama ftw on January 29, 2014, 05:52:15 AM
this is bad dont be so sure about that, read the book "dirty wars"


its not just the military industrial complex that works like that. The whole system is based on "crony Capitalism".  
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Shockwave on January 29, 2014, 06:53:44 AM
its not just the military industrial complex that works like that. The whole system is based on "crony Capitalism".  
this.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 29, 2014, 03:20:32 PM
Quote from: Teutonic Knight link=topic=515699.msg7299708#msg7299708
O, yes you have never ending Red Carpet TV circus & yes BB freaks.
Looks like God bless America is no more.
This week I am buying another Jeep (JK8 Wrangler ) the best car in the World.

LOL
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on January 29, 2014, 03:38:29 PM
Good for Obama.....if the flat earther's don't want to work, then fuck them\



 In the history of the Republic, there have been 168 filibusters of executive and judicial nominations. Half of them have occurred during the Obama Administration – during the last four and a half years
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 29, 2014, 03:48:54 PM
Good for Obama.....if the flat earther's don't want to work, then fuck them\



 In the history of the Republic, there have been 168 filibusters of executive and judicial nominations. Half of them have occurred during the Obama Administration – during the last four and a half years

Hey Vince, are you still charging $3000.00 for business seminars?

Wondering how many of the posters on here that agree with this minimum wage increase bafoonery actually have small businesses and employees?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 29, 2014, 05:32:20 PM
Hey Vince, are you still charging $3000.00 for business seminars?

Wondering how many of the posters on here that agree with this minimum wage increase bafoonery actually have small businesses and employees?
yes I do own my own my own business and yes I employ workers, why ask? what is your point exactly? please explain
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Shockwave on January 29, 2014, 05:37:19 PM
Good for Obama.....if the flat earther's don't want to work, then fuck them\



 In the history of the Republic, there have been 168 filibusters of executive and judicial nominations. Half of them have occurred during the Obama Administration – during the last four and a half years
lolwut
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 29, 2014, 05:39:28 PM


Wondering how many of the posters on here that agree with this minimum wage increase bafoonery actually have small businesses and employees?
i had one, i was very generous, i paid them in food,on a good day, 1 extra bread piece no problemo(leftover from last day)
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 29, 2014, 05:45:23 PM
i had one, i was very generous, i paid them in food,on a good day, 1 extra bread piece no problemo(leftover from last day)
being greedy is wrong, Coach thought just cause we own our own business we would be against minimum wage increase. Not me man, everyone has to eat, I think the only people who deserve minimum wage is personal trainers, following people around the gym and switching the pins on a machine then going out to dinner with their friends and acting like it is rocket science to train people. lmao

 :D
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tonymctones on January 29, 2014, 05:58:40 PM
- There are over 4 millions jobs that cannot be filled due to lack of qualified workers in the US.
 
- A person working full time making minimum wage is above the poverty line

- Less than 2% of people working in the US make minimum wage

- The majority of people making minimum wage are young individuals

This isnt about fairness, this isnt about the economy...THIS IS ABOUT ECONOMIC POPULISM TO HELP RALLY VOTES.

It get idiots all riled up as seen in this thread who think these people deserve to get paid more.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: kh300 on January 29, 2014, 06:07:36 PM
I believe the lowest paid federal job is something around 13 an hour. So whats the point?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tonymctones on January 29, 2014, 06:19:35 PM
I believe the lowest paid federal job is something around 13 an hour. So whats the point?
this extends to employees of federal contractors not just federal employees.

So basically that hammer that used to cost the US tax payer $90 will now cost $94...
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 29, 2014, 06:43:37 PM
Hey Vince, are you still charging $3000.00 for business seminars?

Wondering how many of the posters on here that agree with this minimum wage increase bafoonery actually have small businesses and employees?

Europeans have historically looked down on Entrepreneurs and those who create jobs and wealth.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 29, 2014, 07:17:42 PM
- There are over 4 millions jobs that cannot be filled due to lack of qualified workers in the US.
 
- A person working full time making minimum wage is above the poverty line

- Less than 2% of people working in the US make minimum wage

- The majority of people making minimum wage are young individuals

This isnt about fairness, this isnt about the economy...THIS IS ABOUT ECONOMIC POPULISM TO HELP RALLY VOTES.

It get idiots all riled up as seen in this thread who think these people deserve to get paid more.
who you calling idiot you piece of trash.  :P

Of course we get it, Obama is doing it as political strategy duh.... does not change the facts here though, 2% is still over 6 million people and many of them have to pay rent and feed children, they can used a little more at the expense of the middle and high class, why not. I make OK money, i do not have a problem paying taxes or giving back.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 29, 2014, 07:20:42 PM
who you calling idiot you piece of trash.  :P

Of course we get it, Obama is doing it as political strategy duh.... does not change the facts here though, 2% is still over 6 million people and many of them have to pay rent and feed children, they can used a little more at the expense of the middle and high class, why not. I make OK money, i do not have a problem paying taxes or giving back.

You should help people voluntarily because it's the right thing to do, the government shouldn't force you to support others at the point of a gun.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Devon97 on January 29, 2014, 07:36:56 PM
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 29, 2014, 07:37:49 PM
You should help people voluntarily because it's the right thing to do, the government shouldn't force you to support others at the point of a gun.


I actually agree with you here but there is some jobs that just slave people and pay them peanuts, not cool.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 29, 2014, 07:41:25 PM
I actually agree with you here but there is some jobs that just slave people and pay them peanuts, not cool.

I agree, it's not cool and I don't like companies that take advantage of people.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tonymctones on January 29, 2014, 07:42:32 PM
who you calling idiot you piece of trash.  :P

Of course we get it, Obama is doing it as political strategy duh.... does not change the facts here though, 2% is still over 6 million people and many of them have to pay rent and feed children, they can used a little more at the expense of the middle and high class, why not. I make OK money, i do not have a problem paying taxes or giving back.
Actually the number of minimum wage workers is about half that 3.6mm and of those many are younger individuals who will end up making more money in the future.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2012.htm

thats great that you make OK money and dont have a problem paying taxes or giving back, you should donate then instead of trying to impose your views on others.

I imagine you are one of those people who dislikes it when religious people try to legislate their views on others. Yet you have no issue trying to push your moral views on others.

The minimum wage was not intended to allow a single mother to take care of herself and her 2 kids born out of wedlock. The govt should not make it our responsibility to take care of people who make shitty life decisions. Perhaps if we stopped constantly bailing people out of their shitty decisions people would start thinking twice.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 29, 2014, 07:45:58 PM
good stuff oth, giving your employers bit more wage didnt hurt neither you nor the canadian economy was brought down ;D


btw,i dont care what wage i work for as long i can afford this:

-roof over head,you know, a flat wiht heating

-food.my bodybuilding food, not the shit average joe cheap diet.

-car,hm dont give fuck about car actually,cept winter is good to have

-bit holiday every year

-oh and lets say twice a month a high class whore for 30-60minutes.

-health insurance and such things.

thats it


Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 29, 2014, 07:55:01 PM
Actually the number of minimum wage workers is about half that 3.6mm and of those many are younger individuals who will end up making more money in the future.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2012.htm

thats great that you make OK money and dont have a problem paying taxes or giving back, you should donate then instead of trying to impose your views on others.

I imagine you are one of those people who dislikes it when religious people try to legislate their views on others. Yet you have no issue trying to push your moral views on others.

The minimum wage was not intended to allow a single mother to take care of herself and her 2 kids born out of wedlock. The govt should not make it our responsibility to take care of people who make shitty life decisions. Perhaps if we stopped constantly bailing people out of their shitty decisions people would start thinking twice.


well good to see you responded logically and decided to explain while not calling us idiots again lol  ;)

As for the 6 million, I am going based on you saying 2 %, 2% of 300 million is 6 million, so now you are saying it is 1%  ???

either way, people are not all made as superstars and many make mistakes in life and have no talent or social skills and are delusional and suffer having no choice but work minimum wage, I am sorry you do not give a shit about them but I will encourage everyone to give a shit about them here.

As for donations? I do, I give to the Church, yes I go to church as well.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 29, 2014, 07:58:30 PM
good stuff oth, giving your employers bit more wage didnt hurt neither you nor the canadian economy was brought down ;D


btw,i dont care what wage i work for as long i can afford this:

-roof over head,you know, a flat wiht heating

-food.my bodybuilding food, not the shit average joe cheap diet.

-car,hm dont give fuck about car actually,cept winter is good to have

-bit holiday every year

-oh and lets say twice a month a high class whore for 30-60minutes.

-health insurance and such things.

thats it



some guy was begging me for work and I put him off and off and off and he told me please and he wants 12 bucks an hour, I finally said ok show up monday at my shop and we will start, didn't talk about pay and when I paid, it was 15 dollars per hour and he was shocked and said what is this. I told him roofing is hard, i do not put anyone on the roof for under 15 buck per hour, couldn't live with myself doing that.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: ChopperRider on January 29, 2014, 08:00:18 PM
well good to see you responded logically and decided to explain while not calling us idiots again lol  ;)

As for the 6 million, I am going based on you saying 2 %, 2% of 300 million is 6 million, so now you are saying it is 1%  ???

either way, people are not all made as superstars and many make mistakes in life and have no talent or social skills and are delusional and suffer having no choice but work minimum wage, I am sorry you do not give a shit about them but I will encourage everyone to give a shit about them here.

As for donations? I do, I give to the Church, yes I go to church as well.

2% of the people working in the U.S.

Not 2% of the people living in the U.S.

If you can't keep that simple point straight, why continue?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 29, 2014, 08:01:39 PM
2% of the people working in the U.S.

Not 2% of the people living in the U.S.

If you can't keep that simple point straight, why continue?
I stand corrected, my bad, hey I am only human.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 29, 2014, 08:04:42 PM
World's most big-hearted nation: the United States
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101240935

The United States is the world's most generous nation, according to a global index of giving, as a higher proportion of Americans helped a stranger than any other country in the world.

The 2013 World Giving Index – published annually by international nonprofit organization Charities Aid Foundation – looks at three measures: monetary giving, volunteering and helping of strangers in a typical month. The survey, published on Tuesday, was carried out in 2012 across 135 countries.

Rounding out the bottom of the World Giving Index was Greece, reflecting the sluggish economic recovery in the indebted euro zone nation.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tonymctones on January 29, 2014, 08:20:34 PM
well good to see you responded logically and decided to explain while not calling us idiots again lol  ;)

As for the 6 million, I am going based on you saying 2 %, 2% of 300 million is 6 million, so now you are saying it is 1%  ???

either way, people are not all made as superstars and many make mistakes in life and have no talent or social skills and are delusional and suffer having no choice but work minimum wage, I am sorry you do not give a shit about them but I will encourage everyone to give a shit about them here.

As for donations? I do, I give to the Church, yes I go to church as well.
I believe its just under 2% of those working not the entire population but you can check me link from the government if you want. I assume that if you wont take my word you will at least take theirs seeing as you trust them to push your views on others ::)

If you legitmately need assistance to survive there are PLENTY of govt programs to help out. I am sorry but I have very high expectations of people, myself included.

I dont think its too much to ask that you make good life decisions and you stand responsible for the bad ones you make (which we all do to some extent).

Hahaha your "I dont give a shit about them" idiocy is typical libtard ideology. Anytime someone is against raising the minimum wage they dont give a shit poor people, if youre against gay marriage then you hate gays, if youre against abortion then you hate women....

Fact is I care greatly about those who geniuenly need help and I too volunteer both time and money to help those less fortunate.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 29, 2014, 08:21:05 PM
World's most big-hearted nation: the United States
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101240935

The United States is the world's most generous nation, according to a global index of giving, as a higher proportion of Americans helped a stranger than any other country in the world.

The 2013 World Giving Index – published annually by international nonprofit organization Charities Aid Foundation – looks at three measures: monetary giving, volunteering and helping of strangers in a typical month. The survey, published on Tuesday, was carried out in 2012 across 135 countries.

Rounding out the bottom of the World Giving Index was Greece, reflecting the sluggish economic recovery in the indebted euro zone nation.
im sorry this is bs, this says nothing about helpfulness of population.

donation through charity numbers are no sound parameter to establish generousity of the ppl.


that said,usa military spending to police the world is so expensive, im actualy glad they do this.this realy is generous, no joking.and valueable.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tonymctones on January 29, 2014, 08:22:26 PM
im sorry this is bs, this says nothing about helpfulness of population.

donation through charity numbers are no sound parameter to establish generousity of the ppl.


that said,usa military spending to police the world is so expensive, im actualy glad they do this.this realy is generous, no joking.and valueable.


how would you measure the "helpfulness" theen?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tu_holmes on January 29, 2014, 08:24:49 PM
how would you measure the "helpfulness" theen?

Where do charities get the money from?

They just print it out themselves?

???
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 29, 2014, 08:25:49 PM
how would you measure the "helpfulness" theen?
are you taking the piss?

you want discussion or be a patronizing cunnt?

you think, donating to charity better the world?its the lazy way of making one feel better about themselves.


Where do charities get the money from?

They just print it out themselves?

???
how much arrives at the ppl in need?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tonymctones on January 29, 2014, 08:27:58 PM
Where do charities get the money from?

They just print it out themselves?

???
I dont know maybe we could factor in holding doors open and helping elderly ppl carry their groceries?

He must have something in mind to have made such a comment though...
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tonymctones on January 29, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
are you taking the piss?

you want discussion or be a patronizing cunnt?

you think, donating to charity better the world?its the lazy way of making one feel better about themselves.

how much arrives at the ppl in need?

well the study didnt just take into account monetary donations...

"looks at three measures: monetary giving, volunteering and helping of strangers in a typical month."

So do you actually have ideas outside of these 3 or were you just being a little girl?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: galeniko on January 29, 2014, 08:35:21 PM
also, lol, give me a break, usa govt foreign "Help" comes with a catch22.
something like "we will establish a military base in exchange" or whatever other shenanigans.


but yes there are very charitable individuals in the usa, john d rockefeller always always donated 10% of his income to charitable things, this is good to know.

I dont know maybe we could factor in holding doors open and helping elderly ppl carry their groceries?

He must have something in mind to have made such a comment though...
uhm, yes personal basis stuff.

screw all those govt releases and "Ngo"s statistics.

hell i even said, as wolrd poilce usa is most charitable, by will or not, but it is.and is a good thing.

well the study didnt just take into account monetary donations...

"looks at three measures: monetary giving, volunteering and helping of strangers in a typical month."

So do you actually have ideas outside of these 3 or were you just being a little girl?

see above, those are all too vague.

its all just worldplay.

helpfulness,theres much more of that in 3rd world shitholes where ppl have real problems.

its a vague term used to twist stats.helpfulness cant be measured properly, theres  too many interpretations.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tonymctones on January 29, 2014, 08:40:33 PM
also, lol, give me a break, usa govt foreign "Help" comes with a catch22.
something like "we will establish a military base in exchange" or whatever other shenanigans.


but yes there are very charitable individuals in the usa, john d rockefeller always always donated 10% of his income to charitable things, this is good to know.
uhm, yes personal basis stuff.

screw all those govt releases and "Ngo"s statistics.

hell i even said, as wolrd poilce usa is most charitable, by will or not, but it is.and is a good thing.
see above, those are all too vague.

its all just worldplay.

helpfulness,theres much more of that in 3rd world shitholes where ppl have real problems.

its a vague term used to twist stats.helpfulness cant be measured properly, theres  too many interpretations.


I dont know if youre drunk or just fucking retarded but the study seems to be based on individual actions not the actions of govts.

Look bro I know that for some reason you dont want to admit the US is a great nation and give it much credit. Dont know why people like you seem to have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to the US and dont care.

LOL so your new argument is that true helpfulness cannot be measured? ok...so basically you have made up criteria that cannot be measured so that youre premise cannot be proven wrong...awesome
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 29, 2014, 09:14:33 PM
yes I do own my own my own business and yes I employ workers, why ask? what is your point exactly? please explain

How much do you pay your employees? Do you employ workers that would warrant making a minimum wage? Why exactly are you in business? If you're In a business that warrants paying a minimum wage are you raising the cost of your goods? See how that works??

What warrants a minimum wage worker? IMO, it's someone with at a low education that can only get an entry level job. You said you were in roofing, so was I as a contractor, consultant, inspector and system designer. A first year apprentice would warrant this pay. If I had to pay more, i would have to work that labor into my bid then in turn would raise my cost. When the price of oil rises, do you raise the cost of materials? Of course you do.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 29, 2014, 09:18:01 PM
How much do you pay your employees? Do you employ workers that would warrant making a minimum wage? Why exactly are you in business? If you're In a business that warrants paying a minimum wage are you raising the cost of your goods? See how that works??

What warrants a minimum wage worker? IMO, it's someone with at a low education that can only get an entry level job. You said you were in roofing, so was I as a contractor, consultant, inspector and system designer. A first year apprentice would warrant this pay. If I had to pay more, i would have to work that labor into my bid then in turn would raise my cost. When the price of oil rises, do you raise the cost of materials? Of course you do.
I understand your point and in fairness I do not run a biz that pays out minimum wage, however I did explain in a post that a guy begged me for work and was willing to accept 12 dollars an hour but I gave him 15 because i have a conscious and roofing is a tough gig, 15 is where I start from..
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tonymctones on January 29, 2014, 09:21:44 PM
I understand your point and in fairness I do not run a biz that pays out minimum wage, however I did explain in a post that a guy begged me for work and was willing to accept 12 dollars an hour but I gave him 15 because i have a conscious and roofing is a tough gig, 15 is where I start from..
how much would you pay a person to push buttons on a computer and clean tables?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 29, 2014, 09:27:10 PM
how much would you pay a person to push buttons on a computer and clean tables?
talent deserves more, so I would pay them based on there ability for the computer job. there is minimum wage jobs that slave the workers though, like a dishwasher.

I mean I can still get workers at 12 dollars an hour to roof all day long but I just will not pay that little
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 29, 2014, 09:35:49 PM
I understand your point and in fairness I do not run a biz that pays out minimum wage, however I did explain in a post that a guy begged me for work and was willing to accept 12 dollars an hour but I gave him 15 because i have a conscious and roofing is a tough gig, 15 is where I start from..

Truth is, almost no one pays out minimum wage anyway with the exception of fast food joints, small businesses, etc so this is almost a moot point. But there are small businesses that have no choice, then tack on higher taxes, insurances, obamacare there is no choice but to pass on the added expenses to the consumer. We got into business to make more money, that's the goal and not to give away or have our livelihood stolen from is. Again, I got into business to make money and of course help others. But it comes at a premium as it should.

Even I now, I could easily get back into the roofing industry without missing a beat making very good living but why take a pay cut when I could have my own business making more?  
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tonymctones on January 29, 2014, 09:47:15 PM
talent deserves more, so I would pay them based on there ability for the computer job. there is minimum wage jobs that slave the workers though, like a dishwasher.

I mean I can still get workers at 12 dollars an hour to roof all day long but I just will not pay that little
You responded without answering, how much would you pay them?

If you say you would pay them based on their ability how can you shit on people who pay the minimum wage or even less? I mean if that's the extent of the ability those workers have for that position then are they not following your ideals?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 29, 2014, 09:56:31 PM
You responded without answering, how much would you pay them?

If you say you would pay them based on their ability how can you shit on people who pay the minimum wage or even less? I mean if that's the extent of the ability those workers have for that position then are they not following your ideals?
your post is dumb, there has to be a minimum, i can not get bums off the street to shovel my lane way for 3 dollars an hour, ya that is all I would be willing to pay cause I do not have that in my budget to spend on that sort of thing so will I though?, of course not, that is wrong, so jobs have to be worth a minimum in order for them to operate, if not then discontinue the job but do not slave someone for minimum wage because that is all they are worth to you,

Minimum wage should be slightly higher, jobs who can not afford to accommodate higher pay then the present minimum wage should not be operatable
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 29, 2014, 10:07:52 PM
your post is dumb, there has to be a minimum, i can not get bums off the street to shovel my lane way for 3 dollars an hour, ya that is all I would be willing to pay cause I do not have that in my budget to spend on that sort of thing so will I though?, of course not, that is wrong, so jobs have to be worth a minimum in order for them to operate, if not then discontinue the job but do not slave someone for minimum wage because that is all they are worth to you,

Minimum wage should be slightly higher, jobs who can not afford to accommodate higher pay then the present minimum wage should not be operatable

Let me ask you about that last paragraph. What is slightly higher in your opinion? If you keep raising minimum wage, it cuts into profits, when you cut into profits it slows growth because you're taking less of a portion of the profits for reinvestment. If you can't grow, you cannot hire.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Danimal77 on January 29, 2014, 10:09:10 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/28/obama-minimum-wage_n_4677355.html

It's about time. Here in Canada, minimum wage is over $10/hour.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 29, 2014, 10:11:34 PM
It's about time. Here in Canada, minimum wage is over $10/hour.

How much is a big mac in Canada?
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 29, 2014, 10:17:09 PM
Let me ask you about that last paragraph. What is slightly higher in your opinion? If you keep raising minimum wage, it cuts into profits, when you cut into profits it slows growth because you're taking less of a portion of the profits for reinvestment. If you can't grow, you cannot hire.
14 years ago I was paid $ 6.85 per hour as a dish washer at 18 years old, I had a bachelor apartment for 500 bucks a month, where a 2 bedroom apartment at the time was 750 bucks a month.

Fast forward to present day, a whopping 11 dollars for minimum wage, it went up that much in 14 years, and guess what 2 bedroom rent is now, 850 bucks a months, only up 100 dollars.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 29, 2014, 10:19:17 PM
How much is a big mac in Canada?
A big mac is the price of 50% of minimum wage and a bic mac 14 years ago was 75% of minimum wage.  ;)
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 29, 2014, 10:21:22 PM
14 years ago I was paid $ 6.85 per hour as a dish washer at 18 years old, I had a bachelor apartment for 500 bucks a month, where a 2 bedroom apartment at the time was 750 bucks a month.

Fast forward to present day, a whopping 11 dollars for minimum wage, it went up that much in 14 years, and guess what 2 bedroom rent is now, 850 bucks a months, only up 100 dollars.



I like it when people make enough to be independent. I don't see why you guys think McDonald's is obligated to pay "a living wage" though.

McDonald's being considered legitimate adult employment, brings us all down as a society.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 29, 2014, 10:24:50 PM
If the government would instead cut Walmart employee's welfare and gov. benefits, those employees would no longer find it possible to work at Walmart unless Walmart raised their wages.

Gov intrusion causes all these problems, more intrusion won't fix anything.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: OTHstrong on January 29, 2014, 10:25:19 PM
I like it when people make enough to be independent. I don't see why you guys think McDonald's is obligated to pay "a living wage" though.

McDonald's being considered legitimate adult employment, brings us all down as a society.
and this is really my only argument here, is being able to get by and the wages now do not allow for this in the US like they do where I live. In fact with our minimum wage you can live in a 2 bedroom apartment and drive an SUV comfortably, all because minimum was increased dramatically.

Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 29, 2014, 10:32:01 PM
I like it when people make enough to be independent. I don't see why you guys think McDonald's is obligated to pay "a living wage" though.

McDonald's being considered legitimate adult employment, brings us all down as a society.

I totally agree.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: SF1900 on January 29, 2014, 10:36:39 PM
Costco is known for paying their employees very well and the business is doing just fine

Costco's CEO and president, Craig Jelinek, has publicly endorsed raising the federal minimum wage to $10.10 an hour, and he takes that to heart. The company's starting pay is $11.50 per hour, and the average employee wage is $21 per hour, not including overtime.

I know someone who works at Costco and he makes like $19.00 per hour.

However, research shows that it pays to pay employees well, because satisfied workers are more productive and motivated, according to MIT Sloan School of Management professor Zeynep Ton, who focuses on operations management.

"How many times have you gone to a store, and the shelves are empty or the checkout line is too long, or employees are rude?," she said. "At Costco, you see a huge line that disappears in minutes."

The productivity translates into sales, she said.

According to Ton's research, sales per employee at Costco were almost double those at Sam's Club, its direct warehouse competitor owned by Wal-Mart.


(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/130805123117-worker-pay-620xa.jpg)
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 29, 2014, 10:37:58 PM
and this is really my only argument here, is being able to get by and the wages now do not allow for this in the US like they do where I live. In fact with our minimum wage you can live in a 2 bedroom apartment and drive an SUV comfortably, all because minimum was increased dramatically.

I just can't see how it's fair or even economically sound to force an employer to pay so much more than someone's market value. This would have to be the final blow to thousands of struggling small businesses.

If you can't live on your McDonald's salary, it's because you're so easily replaceable by a teenager that doesn't demand a living wage, or it's because the government is subsidizing the rest of your income.

I think we should try to get to the root of the problem.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: SF1900 on January 29, 2014, 10:40:07 PM
I just can't see how it's fair or even economically sound to force an employer to pay so much more than someone's market value. This would have to be the final blow to thousands of struggling small businesses.

If you can't live on your McDonald's salary, it's because you're so easily replaceable by a teenager that doesn't demand a living wage, or it's because the government is subsidizing the rest of your income.

I think we should try to get to the root of the problem.


I wonder how much Queen Vissy makes.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 29, 2014, 10:42:46 PM


I wonder how much Queen Vissy makes.

I though Vissy was some kind of male model?

Hopefully Goodrum lets him borrow his Costco card.  ;D
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: SF1900 on January 29, 2014, 10:50:31 PM
I though Vissy was some kind of male model?

Hopefully Goodrum lets him borrow his Costco card.  ;D


Goodrum takes Queen Vissy for romantic dinners at Costco.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 29, 2014, 11:01:37 PM


Goodrum takes Queen Vissy for romantic dinners at Costco.

ROFL

I bet Goodrum can totally clean them out of free samples.

It would be funny if Vissy collected all kinds of samples and they went to have a picnic in one of the outdoor displays... And Vissy wore a beautiful sun dress, and some Marilyn Monroe sunglasses.   ;D
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: SF1900 on January 29, 2014, 11:05:53 PM
ROFL

I bet Goodrum can totally clean them out of free samples.

It would be funny if Vissy collected all kinds of samples and they went to have a picnic in one of the outdoor displays... And Vissy wore a beautiful sun dress, and some Marilyn Monroe sunglasses.   ;D


Well, on Queen Vissy's Facebook page, he has a few pictures of him where he is wearing a cute penguin hat. So maybe he can wear that when Goodrum takes him out.

And yes, Vissy would be going crazy for all those free samples at Costco. He would feed them to Vince while on their picnic blanket.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 29, 2014, 11:21:48 PM


Well, on Queen Vissy's Facebook page, he has a few pictures of him where he is wearing a cute penguin hat. So maybe he can wear that when Goodrum takes him out.

And yes, Vissy would be going crazy for all those free samples at Costco. He would feed them to Vince while on their picnic blanket.

That cracks me up!!! Vince should try and get his Bees wax or pollen or whatever it is sold at costco.
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 30, 2014, 05:49:48 AM


Goodrum takes Queen Vissy for romantic dinners at Costco.

 ;D
Title: Re: Obama raises minimum wage.
Post by: tonymctones on January 30, 2014, 04:35:40 PM
your post is dumb, there has to be a minimum, i can not get bums off the street to shovel my lane way for 3 dollars an hour, ya that is all I would be willing to pay cause I do not have that in my budget to spend on that sort of thing so will I though?, of course not, that is wrong, so jobs have to be worth a minimum in order for them to operate, if not then discontinue the job but do not slave someone for minimum wage because that is all they are worth to you,

Minimum wage should be slightly higher, jobs who can not afford to accommodate higher pay then the present minimum wage should not be operatable
Nobody is a slave to the minimum wage...where did you get that stupidity from?

nobody is stopping anyone from doing whats needed to get a better paying job ::)

why are your expectations of others so fucking low?