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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/13/erskine_bowles_ryan_budget_is_sensible_honest_serious.html
RR getting another demo vote for sure.
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At the very least the "Ryan Plan" is an actual real plan that is out there for people to read and discuss.
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At the very least the "Ryan Plan" is an actual real plan that is out there for people to read and discuss.
He must still be pissed off beyond words after Obama tossed him under the bus for political reasons.
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He must still be pissed off beyond words after Obama tossed him under the bus for political reasons.
Obama doesn't actually want to fix anything, he only wants the appearance that he does. The more people dependent on the government the better.
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Obama doesn't actually want to fix anything, he only wants the appearance that he does. The more people dependent on the government the better.
Notice how Obama's sycophants never bring up Simpson Bowles and his failure to carry forth on his promise to reduce the deficit by half?
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Notice how Obama's sycophants never bring up Simpson Bowles and his failure to carry forth on his promise to reduce the deficit by half?
Obama is purely perception, he has no substance, its all an illusion
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Obama is purely perception, he has no substance, its all an illusion
That is why he appeals to the ignorant masses, 95ers, coke heads, pot heads, LGBT, etc.
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where is the rest of the clip or did he just show up and speak for a minute and 14 seconds and then leave?
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where is the rest of the clip or did he just show up and speak for a minute and 14 seconds and then leave?
LOL!!!!!
You leftists are such a joke - its clear on his face what he said.
obama failed - get over it.
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Straw - you want a better clip? Here you go - Bowles admits that obama did not pursue Simpson Bowles due to political reasons.
Obama is a coward, a thug, a hack, and abdicated all responsibility in the office he holds.
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Straw - you want a better clip? Here you go - Bowles admits that obama did not pursue Simpson Bowles due to political reasons.
Obama is a coward, a thug, a hack, and abdicated all responsibility in the office he holds.
you're aware that Simpson/Bowles recommends raising taxes on the wealthy
Is Ryan or Romney in favor of that?
maybe that was in the part of his talk that was before or after the one minute and 14 second clip that you posted
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you're aware that Simpson/Bowles recommends raising taxes on the wealthy
Is Ryan or Romney in favor of that?
maybe that was in the part of his talk that was before or after the one minute and 14 second clip that you posted
LOL. You obama drones are so pathetic. You will excuse away ANYTHING this idiot in the WH does.
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The following clip would make a nice 30-second ad:
“Have any of you all met Paul Ryan? We should get him to come to the university. I’m telling you this guy is amazing. ... He is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere. And the budget that he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit just like we did, by $4 trillion. … The president as you remember, came out with a budget and I don’t think anybody took that budget very seriously. The Senate voted against it 97 to nothing."
Getting this ad up in swing states with a real buy behind it would do two things: It would go a long way to inoculate the ticket against the attacks on the Ryan budget; just as important, it would introduce Paul Ryan to voters as an impressive man and public servant. I think conventional wisdom doesn't yet appreciate how much of a positive Ryan can be for the ticket. Publicizing Bowles's comments could help shape the public's view of Ryan—and improve the public's view of Mitt Romney, the man who picked him.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cut-ad-clinton-cos-ryan-guy-amazing_649942.html
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LOL. You obama drones are so pathetic. You will excuse away ANYTHING this idiot in the WH does.
are you aware of it or not
I've brougth this point up before and you've ignored it
If you are for Simpson/Bowles plan then you're for raising taxes on the wealthy
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its clear on his face what he said.
what did michelle say?
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are you aware of it or not
I've brougth this point up before and you've ignored it
If you are for Simpson/Bowles plan then you're for raising taxes on the wealthy
Simpson bowles called for lowering rates , cutting spending , ending a lot of loopholes
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Simpson bowles called for lowering rates , cutting spending , ending a lot of loopholes
Unlike Romney, Bowles and Simpson include two features that would raise taxes for high-income or wealthy taxpayers. They would treat capital gains and dividends as ordinary income. They also would assume that the estate tax continues with a top rate of 45 percent.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-06-20/bowles-says-romney-plan-would-require-ending-tax-breaks
some estimates I've seen said this would result in about 2 trillion in additional tax revenue from the highest income earners over the next 10 years
Do you think guys like Romney and Ryan was capital gains and dividends treated as ordinary income?
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House Dems: It’s unfair to debate the issue of the deficit commission Obama created and then ignored
Hotair ^ | 08/15/2012 | Ed Morrissey
Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:45:35 AM
Man, I love the smell of panic in the morning ... at least when it comes from the other side:
Some Democratic lawmakers want to make sure that one question does not get asked at the upcoming first presidential debate --- about Simpson-Bowles.
Three Democratic House members objected Tuesday to a request by four senators that President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney be asked which of the commission’s proposals to address the debt they support. The Democrats said such a question would force “candidates to choose solutions from one menu of options.” ...
But that caused Reps. Mike Honda (D-Calif.), Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) and Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) to cry foul, writing in their own letter to the debate commission on Tuesday that although the Simpson-Bowles commission’s plan “may contain proposals helpful to our recovery…to hold it out as the only pathway to fiscal responsibility and economic success is foolish and wrong.”
“We urge the [Debate] Commission to fight any effort to unnecessarily narrow such an important debate by placing disproportionate attention on one set of proposals over another,” they wrote, adding that such a question would “cheapen the debate” and “thwart the candidates’ ability to explain alternative proposals.”
On the face of it, this is a ridiculous assertion. Asking one question about the Simpson-Bowles plan doesn’t restrict a range of answers on budget reforms and deficits. The moderators can ask other questions on the topic, and the candidates themselves can expand on those options in their answers to the Simpson-Bowles question. Ryan will almost certainly do so, since he served on the commission and passed his own version of budgetary reform in the House — twice.
But of course, this isn’t about the range of options in the debate. Democrats don’t want Barack Obama to have to answer for his total rejection of the commission he called into existence in the first place. Obama announced his grand plan to find consensus on the deficits after taking a beating on the massive deficits his budgets ran up, a few months before the midterm elections. He wanted to gain traction against the rising Tea Party by taking away one of the key fiscal arguments. When that plan failed, Obama completely ignored the recommendations from Simpson-Bowles even though the panel was a presidential advisory commission.
Part of this effort by Democrats to bury that history has been a new effort to get Erskine Bowles to repudiate his remarks from September 2011 praising Ryan while criticizing Obama and his budget. So far, Bowles isn’t budging:
Erskine Bowles is not backing away from his previous praise of Rep. Paul Ryan now that the Wisconsin congressman is on the Republican presidential ticket.
“I like him,” Bowles, the former chief of staff to President Bill Clinton and co-chairperson of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, told The Daily Caller in a phone interview.
“I think he’s smart. I think he’s intellectually curious. I think he is honest, straightforward and sincere. And I think he does have a serious budget out there — it doesn’t mean I agree with it by any stretch of the imagination. But I’m not going to act like I don’t like him or that I don’t have some real respect for him.”
Looks like Bowles won’t be making a Cory Booker Hostage Video any time soon.
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333 - why no answer on whether you actually agree with all the recomendations of Simpson Bowles specifially taxing dividends and capital gains as ordinary income. This would hit primarily wealthy people (such as Romney and Ryan - yeah he's a rich kid)
This has been estimated to increase tax revenue from the highest income earners by ~ 2 trillion dollars
By contrast, Ryans plan to to cut capital gains tax to close to zero (Ryan is now running away from this but won't clarify his position)
Unlike Romney, Bowles and Simpson include two features that would raise taxes for high-income or wealthy taxpayers. They would treat capital gains and dividends as ordinary income. They also would assume that the estate tax continues with a top rate of 45 percent.
I think the top tax rate in the Simpson Bowles plan is 28%
Do you think Romney and Ryan will ever be in favor of paying 28% tax rate in dividends and capital gains?
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Their plan is not perfect - but its something.
Where is obama's plan again?
333 - why no answer on whether you actually agree with all the recomendations of Simpson Bowles specifially taxing dividends and capital gains as ordinary income. This would hit primarily wealthy people (such as Romney and Ryan - yeah he's a rich kid)
This has been estimated to increase tax revenue from the highest income earners by ~ 2 trillion dollars
By contrast, Ryans plan to to cut capital gains tax to close to zero (Ryan is now running away from this but won't clarify his position)
I think the top tax rate in the Simpson Bowles plan is 28%
Do you think Romney and Ryan will ever be in favor of paying 28% tax rate in dividends and capital gains?
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Their plan is not perfect - but its something.
Where is obama's plan again?
So you're in favor of taxing capital gains and dividends as ordinary income
You've been promoting their plan for a year and you've never objected to it so I assume you are in favor of it
You obviously understand that without all the components that INCREASE tax revenue the plan won't work and if you change intergral parts like this then you're no longer talking about their plan
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If you want to raise revenue by cutting out tax expenditures than so be it.
And taxing cap gains as normal revenue seems OK as well. Right now it's 15 long term 25 short term. Why not just make it 20% and split the difference.
Having the 50% of the population that have no income tax liability actually have to pay something as well would be a start.
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If you want to raise revenue by cutting out tax expenditures than so be it.
And taxing cap gains as normal revenue seems OK as well. Right now it's 15 long term 25 short term. Why not just make it 20% and split the difference.
Having the 50% of the population that have no income tax liability actually have to pay something as well would be a start.
Or not change a thing and just implement it
When they start changing one thing it will require other changes
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Were are you going with this 333.. ?
The GOP would never support a plan that raises taxes on the wealthy
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Were are you going with this 333.. ?
The GOP would never support a plan that raises taxes on the wealthy
The media is saying Ryan last night - he did not.
Ryan told the truth and the media and obama c unts are in panic that we are now focusing on obama's disastrous record.
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The media is saying Ryan last night - he did not.
Ryan told the truth and the media and obama c unts are in panic that we are now focusing on obama's disastrous record.
The media is saying what?
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Ryan's first budget cuts the tax rate on Cap Gains and Dividends to almost ZERO
Simpson Bowles wants Cap Gains and Dividend taxed as ordinary income which under SB top tax bracket (where guys like Romney and Ryan would pay all their taxes) is ~ 27 or 28%
So Ryan is @ ~ 0 % and SB is @ ~ 28%
BTW - wasn't Ryan the guy who said the Repubs not to work with the President to reduce the deficit
He didn't want Obama to have a "success" on that issue.
This once again shows that Ryan is just a typical Repub who will always put party before country and the desires of wealthly people before anyone else
http://www.barackobama.com/press/release/fact-check-ryan-advised-gop-leaders-not-to-work-with-the-president-to-reduc
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Ryan's first budget cuts the tax rate on Cap Gains and Dividends to almost ZERO
Simpson Bowles wants Cap Gains and Dividend taxed as ordinary income which under SB top tax bracket (where guys like Romney and Ryan would pay all their taxes) is ~ 27 or 28%
So Ryan is @ ~ 0 % and SB is @ ~ 28%
BTW - wasn't Ryan the guy who said the Repubs not to work with the President to reduce the deficit
He didn't want Obama to have a "success" on that issue.
This once again shows that Ryan is just a typical Repub who will always put party before country and the desires of wealthly people before anyone else
http://www.barackobama.com/press/release/fact-check-ryan-advised-gop-leaders-not-to-work-with-the-president-to-reduc
That was because Simpson Bowles did not get rid of ObamaCare mostly.
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So Ryan blames Obama for not fixing the deficit while ordering republicans to not work with the pres to fix it ???
How can anybody support this?