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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2011, 10:02:34 AM »
Transparency? Nothing About Obama Is On The Level
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**ALL Credit for this post goes to Beckwith at The Obama File**

Robert Bauer is the chief of the political law group at Perkins Coie, the Seattle law firm hired by the Obama Campaign to prevent the American public from seeing a wide range of Obama’s records that could prove, or disprove, his eligibility to occupy the Oval Office under the Constitution’s requirement that the president be a “natural born” citizen under Article Two, Section 1 of the Constitution.

Obama continues to stonewall the release his bona fides to the American People. These documents include his long-form birth certificate, his medical records, passport records, as well as other records that may possibly be relevant, such as records regarding Obama’s possible adoption by his Indonesian stepfather or college application and tuition financial aid records which would reveal whether Obama was ever registered as a foreign student.

Federal Election Commission records show more than $1,650,000 in payments made by Obama for America to Perkins Coie, while the law firm was representing Obama in various court cases which have sought to obtain Obama’s long-form birth certificate to determine if he is a “natural born” citizen

The FEC allows elected officials to use campaign funds to pay legal fees only if the action/investigations arise as a result of their tenure in office or campaigns, according to Politico.

The following is information was compiled by FReeper Starwise from the official Federal Elections Commission website for disbursements by the Obama campaign to the law firm of Perkins Coie, Obama’s primary law firm in various eligibility suits:

Year-End 2008 Obama for America disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $173,052.52

Amended post-general election Obama for America disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $205,323.00

April 2009 Obama for America quarterly disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $688,316.42

July 2009 Obama for America quarterly disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $270,754.18

October 2009 Obama for America quarterly disbursements to Perkins Coie were: $314,018.06

January 2010 Obama for America quarterly disbursements to Perkins Coie are not yet available.

The official FEC website, to which the Obama and other campaigns must report their financial activity, must be taken by even the most skeptical among us as valid documentation of the reported $1.4 or $1.8, or anything in between, figure that the Obama campaign has spent to hide Barack Obama’s questionable background from the American People.

Now that Bauer is safely tucked away in the White House, Obama has resorted to illegally using Justice Department attorneys to represent him in his ongoing battle to hide his questionable background from the American People.

The use of civil servants to further Obama’s coup d’etat is clearly illegal. Torm Howse, the co-founder, and National Board Director of United Civil Rights Councils of America says the statutory law of the United States Code is extremely clear, even often in multiple ways, that:

a) the Attorney General cannot represent/defend Obama in any challenge that involves a question of his citizenship, for the relevant statutory laws mandate that the AG be on the prosecuting side against Obama, if the AG is involved, at all… In fact, whether intentional or not, Obama and Holder can be hit with “constructive fraud,” at the very least…

b) the AG also *cannot* represent/defend Senators or the Senate body, itself, in these constitutional questions, either… Again, whether intentional or not, you have that “constructive fraud” against the rule of law thing again…

c) there are various statutory standings provided for even “mere” individual Citizens to sue Obama, Congress, etc.

d) Obama’s “Presidential records” are expressly PUBLIC by mandate of simple written law (and, combined with using AG Holder & U.S. Attorneys, i.e., our *taxdollars*, in an expressly-unconstitutional manner, defending Obama in any citizenship issues, then Obama gets to pay back every single red cent of that $1.7+ million spent so far… plus interest and penalties, naturally… plus, getting deported, or imprisoned, or whatever else…).

Howse has detailed and provided the direct links to all of these applicable federal statutes,here here

And if you don’t think Obama, his stooge that’s running the Justice Department, and the Democrats aren’t above perverting the law of the land, just read this — nothing about Obama, his administration and the Democrats is on the level.



why not a link to the FEC rather than a claim from the Romanticpoet's Weblog

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2011, 10:09:06 AM »
BORN IN THE USA?

Obama law tab up to $1.7 million
'Grass-roots army' contributions used to crush eligibility lawsuits?


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Posted: October 27, 2009
8:42 pm Eastern


By Chelsea Schilling
© 2011 WorldNetDaily


President Obama has paid nearly $1.7 million to his top eligibility lawyer since the election.

Obama for America, Obama's 2008 political campaign, merged with the Democratic National Committee in January and is now known as Organizing for America. The grass-roots army that some refer to as "Obama 2.0" is still collecting financial contributions. 

Federal Election Commission records for "Obama for America" show that the lobby organization has paid international law firm Perkins Coie exactly $1,666,397.01 since the 2008 election.

The most recent sum, $314,018.06, was listed in Obama for America's October Quarterly report filed with the FEC.


FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 October quarterly report (covers July 1, 2009, to Sept. 30, 2009)


As WND reported in August, FEC records also show the following payments made to the law firm from Oct. 16, 2008, to June 30, 2009:


FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 July quarterly report (covers April 1, 2009, to June 30, 2009)



FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 July quarterly report (covers April 1, 2009, to June 30, 2009) 



FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 April quarterly report (covers Jan. 1, 2009, to March 31, 2009) 



FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 April quarterly report (covers Jan. 1, 2009, to March 31, 2009) 



FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2008 year-end report (covers Nov. 25, 2008, to Dec. 31, 2008) 



FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2008 post–general election report (covers Oct. 16, 2008, to Nov. 24, 2008) 


The FEC shows Obama's campaign has made regular payments to Perkins Coie since Jan. 1, 2007 – the month he formed a presidential exploratory committee and only weeks before he formally announced his candidacy for president.

In total, Obama has paid Perkins Coie, a single law firm, $2.6 million since he announced his campaign for presidency. By contrast, a cumulative total of all of Sen. John McCain's legal consulting fees, from Jan. 1, 2007, to October 2009, amounts to $1.6 million.

As WND reported, Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie – top lawyer for Obama, Obama's presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and Obama's Organizing for America – is the same Washington, D.C., lawyer who defended President Obama in lawsuits challenging his eligibility to be president.

WND also reported that Bauer sent a letter to plaintiff Gregory Hollister, a retired Air Force colonel, of Hollister v. Soetoro, threatening sanctions if he didn't withdraw his appeal of the eligibility case that earlier was tossed by a district judge because the issue already had been "twittered."

(Story continues below)

     


Bauer's warning was dated April 3 and delivered via letter to the plaintiff's attorney, John D. Hemenway. It is not the first such warning issued. Lawyers trying to kill a similar California lawsuit filed on behalf of Ambassador Alan Keyes also said they would seek sanctions against the plaintiff's attorneys in that case unless they left the issue of the president's eligibility alone.

"For the reasons stated in Judge Robertson's ruling, the suit is frivolous and should not be pursued," Bauer's letter warned. "Should you decline to withdraw this frivolous appeal, please be informed that we intend to pursue sanctions, including costs, expenses, and attorneys' fees, pursuant to Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 38 and D.C. Circuit Rule 38."


 


Bauer also represented Obama and the DNC in Philip Berg's eligibility lawsuit and various other legal challenges. The White House has not responded to WND's request for comment on the legal fees.

As WND recently reported, Bauer is married to Anita Dunn, the White House communications director who has blasted Fox as an arm of the Republican Party and talked about "controlling" the news media.

Bauer, a Democratic Party partisan, has a long history of defending Democratic Party presidential hopefuls.

A biography for Bauer posted on the Perkins Coie website indicates that he was general counsel to the Democratic National Committee during the presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry and that he served as counsel to Sen. Tom Daschle, the Democratic leader in the impeachment-trial proceedings of President Bill Clinton.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Bauer functioned as an "attack lawyer," threatening with FEC complaints groups wanting to run anti-Obama television ads.

Also during the 2008 presidential campaign, Bauer as counsel for the Obama campaign wrote letters to television-station managers and to Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General John Keeney arguing that airing an anti-Obama ad pointing to the known association between Obama and Weather Underground radical Bill Ayers would violate federal election rules.

Also during the 2008 campaign, Bauer intervened on behalf of Obama to block the California-based American Leadership Project from running a television ad campaign over support from unions, including the Service Employees International Union.

Again, Bauer filed a complaint with the FEC alleging that the union-funded television campaign the American Leadership Project planned to run in Indiana against Obama was illegal under federal election laws.

In addition to representing Obama on eligibility cases, Bauer also is hired as legal counsel to represent the president in the criminal probe going on into the activities of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

Perkins Coie serves high-profile clients such as Microsoft, Amazon and Starbucks. Perkins Coie also represents the House and Senate Democratic campaign arms. In 2006, the firm also represented Salim Ahmed Hamdan, Osama bin Laden's alleged bodyguard and driver.

The FEC allows elected officials to use campaign funds to pay legal fees only if the action/investigations arise as a result of their tenure in office or campaigns, according to Politico.

An FEC report also reveals Obama For America also paid $6,365 in legal fees to Olaker, Biden & Belair, a firm founded by Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden.



Read more: Obama law tab up to $1.7 million http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=114202#ixzz1HunOxFiW


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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2011, 10:13:14 AM »
The White House should be embarrassed that this phony looking document was even released. 

They did more harm than good by releasing that fraudulent document.   

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #53 on: March 28, 2011, 10:18:28 AM »
BORN IN THE USA?

Obama law tab up to $1.7 million
'Grass-roots army' contributions used to crush eligibility lawsuits?


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Posted: October 27, 2009
8:42 pm Eastern


By Chelsea Schilling
© 2011 WorldNetDaily


President Obama has paid nearly $1.7 million to his top eligibility lawyer since the election.

Obama for America, Obama's 2008 political campaign, merged with the Democratic National Committee in January and is now known as Organizing for America. The grass-roots army that some refer to as "Obama 2.0" is still collecting financial contributions. 

Federal Election Commission records for "Obama for America" show that the lobby organization has paid international law firm Perkins Coie exactly $1,666,397.01 since the 2008 election.

The most recent sum, $314,018.06, was listed in Obama for America's October Quarterly report filed with the FEC.


FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 October quarterly report (covers July 1, 2009, to Sept. 30, 2009)


As WND reported in August, FEC records also show the following payments made to the law firm from Oct. 16, 2008, to June 30, 2009:


FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 July quarterly report (covers April 1, 2009, to June 30, 2009)



FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 July quarterly report (covers April 1, 2009, to June 30, 2009) 



FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 April quarterly report (covers Jan. 1, 2009, to March 31, 2009) 



FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 April quarterly report (covers Jan. 1, 2009, to March 31, 2009) 



FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2008 year-end report (covers Nov. 25, 2008, to Dec. 31, 2008) 



FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2008 post–general election report (covers Oct. 16, 2008, to Nov. 24, 2008) 


The FEC shows Obama's campaign has made regular payments to Perkins Coie since Jan. 1, 2007 – the month he formed a presidential exploratory committee and only weeks before he formally announced his candidacy for president.

In total, Obama has paid Perkins Coie, a single law firm, $2.6 million since he announced his campaign for presidency. By contrast, a cumulative total of all of Sen. John McCain's legal consulting fees, from Jan. 1, 2007, to October 2009, amounts to $1.6 million.

As WND reported, Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie – top lawyer for Obama, Obama's presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and Obama's Organizing for America – is the same Washington, D.C., lawyer who defended President Obama in lawsuits challenging his eligibility to be president.

WND also reported that Bauer sent a letter to plaintiff Gregory Hollister, a retired Air Force colonel, of Hollister v. Soetoro, threatening sanctions if he didn't withdraw his appeal of the eligibility case that earlier was tossed by a district judge because the issue already had been "twittered."

(Story continues below)

     


Bauer's warning was dated April 3 and delivered via letter to the plaintiff's attorney, John D. Hemenway. It is not the first such warning issued. Lawyers trying to kill a similar California lawsuit filed on behalf of Ambassador Alan Keyes also said they would seek sanctions against the plaintiff's attorneys in that case unless they left the issue of the president's eligibility alone.

"For the reasons stated in Judge Robertson's ruling, the suit is frivolous and should not be pursued," Bauer's letter warned. "Should you decline to withdraw this frivolous appeal, please be informed that we intend to pursue sanctions, including costs, expenses, and attorneys' fees, pursuant to Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 38 and D.C. Circuit Rule 38."


 


Bauer also represented Obama and the DNC in Philip Berg's eligibility lawsuit and various other legal challenges. The White House has not responded to WND's request for comment on the legal fees.

As WND recently reported, Bauer is married to Anita Dunn, the White House communications director who has blasted Fox as an arm of the Republican Party and talked about "controlling" the news media.

Bauer, a Democratic Party partisan, has a long history of defending Democratic Party presidential hopefuls.

A biography for Bauer posted on the Perkins Coie website indicates that he was general counsel to the Democratic National Committee during the presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry and that he served as counsel to Sen. Tom Daschle, the Democratic leader in the impeachment-trial proceedings of President Bill Clinton.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Bauer functioned as an "attack lawyer," threatening with FEC complaints groups wanting to run anti-Obama television ads.

Also during the 2008 presidential campaign, Bauer as counsel for the Obama campaign wrote letters to television-station managers and to Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General John Keeney arguing that airing an anti-Obama ad pointing to the known association between Obama and Weather Underground radical Bill Ayers would violate federal election rules.

Also during the 2008 campaign, Bauer intervened on behalf of Obama to block the California-based American Leadership Project from running a television ad campaign over support from unions, including the Service Employees International Union.

Again, Bauer filed a complaint with the FEC alleging that the union-funded television campaign the American Leadership Project planned to run in Indiana against Obama was illegal under federal election laws.

In addition to representing Obama on eligibility cases, Bauer also is hired as legal counsel to represent the president in the criminal probe going on into the activities of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

Perkins Coie serves high-profile clients such as Microsoft, Amazon and Starbucks. Perkins Coie also represents the House and Senate Democratic campaign arms. In 2006, the firm also represented Salim Ahmed Hamdan, Osama bin Laden's alleged bodyguard and driver.

The FEC allows elected officials to use campaign funds to pay legal fees only if the action/investigations arise as a result of their tenure in office or campaigns, according to Politico.

An FEC report also reveals Obama For America also paid $6,365 in legal fees to Olaker, Biden & Belair, a firm founded by Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden.



Read more: Obama law tab up to $1.7 million http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=114202#ixzz1HunOxFiW


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and John McCain paid his lawyers $1.6 million

what does that prove?














nothing


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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #54 on: March 28, 2011, 10:20:57 AM »
LMAO - THEY REPRESENTED OBAMA IN ALL THE BIRTHER LAWSUITS YOU FUCKING MORON! 

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #55 on: March 28, 2011, 10:24:00 AM »
LMAO - THEY REPRESENTED OBAMA IN ALL THE BIRTHER LAWSUITS YOU FUCKING MORON! 

that's all they did?

if so then he must have a bunch of other legal fees with some other law firm for the regular stuff that candidates pay law firms for

right?

I mean McCain spendt 1.6 million on legal fees and no one filed frivolous law suits about his birth certificate


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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #56 on: March 28, 2011, 10:26:24 AM »
that's all they did?

if so then he must have a bunch of other legal fees with some other law firm for the regular stuff that candidates pay law firms for

right?

I mean McCain spendt 1.6 million on legal fees and no one filed frivolous law suits about his birth certificate



hhhhmmmmm, lets see why?   



Because there was no question or doubt he is a NBC unike Obama.     Damn you are stupid.   

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #57 on: March 28, 2011, 10:28:55 AM »
hhhhmmmmm, lets see why?   



Because there was no question or doubt he is a NBC unike Obama.     Damn you are stupid.   

So all those fees to Perkins Coie were solely for birth certificate law suits

is that what you're claiming?

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #58 on: March 28, 2011, 10:32:33 AM »
So all those fees to Perkins Coie were solely for birth certificate law suits

is that what you're claiming?

Of course not.   They were acting pro bono across the nation defending these lawsuits.   The $$$ was all to seehow obama could legally find a way to get everyone ajob, healh care, end all wars,  close gitmo, put ten chicken in every pot, three cars in every driveway, and sprinkle pixy dust over the nation.


What a freaking joke you are.     

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #59 on: March 28, 2011, 10:38:20 AM »
Of course not.   They were acting pro bono across the nation defending these lawsuits.   The $$$ was all to seehow obama could legally find a way to get everyone ajob, healh care, end all wars,  close gitmo, put ten chicken in every pot, three cars in every driveway, and sprinkle pixy dust over the nation.


What a freaking joke you are.     

so now you're saying that all the Birth Certificate stuff was done for free ?

Haven't you been claiming for the last 4 pages he "spent millions" specifically on hiding his records ?

btw - here's a link FEC records:  http://query.nictusa.com/pres/

unless you're not changing your claim (which it appears you are) then you should be able to find all the "proof" you need

btw - for future reference, take note on how to provide a direct source of information rather than copying and pasting hearsay from the Romanticpoet's Weblog

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #60 on: March 28, 2011, 10:41:04 AM »
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The WND site had screencaps and this is widely known.   

I guess it is to people unlike yourself still high on the obama date rape drug you took.   

Bro - serious - don't you ever get embarrassed and tired of shilling and defending this shit show admn?   

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #61 on: March 28, 2011, 10:48:29 AM »
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The WND site had screencaps and this is widely known. 
 

I guess it is to people unlike yourself still high on the obama date rape drug you took.   

Bro - serious - don't you ever get embarrassed and tired of shilling and defending this shit show admn?   

WND is a shit source and just because they put in a screen cap doesn't prove your claim that Obama spent millions specifically to hide his records

btw - didn't you just make the claim that the law firm in question actually did all that work for free

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #62 on: March 28, 2011, 10:49:50 AM »
Again why spend over a million to a law firm to defend all these birther lawsuits nstead of spending $10 to release the long form BC?   

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #63 on: March 28, 2011, 10:55:22 AM »
33,

He may have spent Zero dollar fighting the birth cert.
He may have spent $900,000 on it.

We don't know.  We know his TOTAL lawyer fees from EVERYTHING.  And there was surely a lot of it.  So it's a little irresponsible to claim he was that much $ on the birth cert issue alone.

I know in 2004, most of the repub staff secured law services, in case they lost the election and were nailed with frivolous lawsuits.  Clinton got handed a bunch of suits in 2001 too, didn't he?

It's common for a presidential candidate or even a president to need a lawyer.  While I'm with you on his BC being completely full of shit - I have to call you on the use of this 1 mil number irresponsibly.

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #64 on: March 28, 2011, 10:57:35 AM »
LLLMMMFFAAAOOO.    How about this - lets say mccain and bama spent the same for the same activities.   

Yet - bama had the birther issue to deal with.  Bama still is ahead of mccain by 1.1 million - which is the birther lawsuits.   

And again - why woud you spend $1 million when you could release the fucking thing for $10?


Seriously.   

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #65 on: March 28, 2011, 11:02:20 AM »
Again why spend over a million to a law firm to defend all these birther lawsuits nstead of spending $10 to release the long form BC?   

i thought you said all that work was done pro-bono

make up your mind

btw - haven't spokeperson for the Hawaii Dept of Health already said their is no long or short form ?




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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #66 on: March 28, 2011, 11:03:52 AM »
LLLMMMFFAAAOOO.    How about this - lets say mccain and bama spent the same for the same activities.  

Oh - you are aware of what % of the lawsuits and legal fees came AFTER he was elected?

Since being elected... Cuomo sued obama.  AARP sued obama.  Some WV dem gov suied obama.  hell - 100 CHILDREN are currently suing obama so their illegal ass parents can stay.

Presidents need lawyer cause lots of people sue them.  So unless you have some documentation as to what % of his legal fees are for the birther issue, you're without any proof on this issue.

Better to keep reminding us of the "Proud kenyan-born Obama joins senate" articles that keep getting deleted from internet ;)

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #67 on: March 28, 2011, 11:05:37 AM »
i thought you said all that work was done pro-bono

make up your mind

btw - haven't spokeperson for the Hawaii Dept of Health already said their is no long or short form ?





I was joking about the pro bono stuff.


and the gov of hawaii made the situation worse.   He said his mission was to prove obama was a NBC by releasing the long form BC, and when he looked for it and tried, realized none existed.


Obama was not born in Hawaii.   There are no hospital records, no birth records, nothing.  I believe he was born in Washington State at this point, but the BC there has a different father listed.   He uses 16 fake SS numbers, ad otherwise is still a complete mystery.      

    

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #68 on: March 28, 2011, 11:07:03 AM »
Oh - you are aware of what % of the lawsuits and legal fees came AFTER he was elected?

Since being elected... Cuomo sued obama.  AARP sued obama.  Some WV dem gov suied obama.  hell - 100 CHILDREN are currently suing obama so their illegal ass parents can stay.

Presidents need lawyer cause lots of people sue them.  So unless you have some documentation as to what % of his legal fees are for the birther issue, you're without any proof on this issue.

Better to keep reminding us of the "Proud kenyan-born Obama joins senate" articles that keep getting deleted from internet ;)

Those cases are handled by the Solicitor General, not personal lawyers like Bama has had to cover up his records. 

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #69 on: March 28, 2011, 11:08:46 AM »
Those cases are handled by the Solicitor General, not personal lawyers like Bama has had to cover up his records. 

link to the evidence that 100% of his lawyers fees (or any %) are for the BC issue?

Also, why is the BC issue separate from solicitor general?



See, we're in agreement that he was born in kenya - but your standard for evidence (like your standard for GOP nominee) ain't that high...

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2011, 11:11:16 AM »
I was joking about the pro bono stuff.


and the gov of hawaii made the situation worse.   He said his mission was to prove obama was a NBC by releasing the long form BC, and when he looked for it and tried, realized none existed.


Obama was not born in Hawaii.   There are no hospital records, no birth records, nothing.  I believe he was born in Washington State at this point, but the BC there has a different father listed.   He uses 16 fake SS numbers, ad otherwise is still a complete mystery.      

    

keep it to one CT at a time

here's a direct quote from spokeperson from the Department of Health (for future reference notice has this quote differs from the crap you offer up as quotes)

http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20090606_kokua_line

Question: What is the state's policy for issuing a "Certification of Live Birth" versus a "Certificate of Live Birth"? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference? The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier's name and title; attendant's name and title, etc. The certification has only the child's name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother's maiden name, mother's race, father's name and father's race. Why doesn't the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?

Answer: No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

And, it's only available in electronic form.

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.

"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.

Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.

"The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.

Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."
"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.

Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."


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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #71 on: March 28, 2011, 11:17:12 AM »
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Even his own family disputes where he was born and who delivered him.  No hospital records, no birth records, no doctor records, no long form BC, nothing whatsoever.   

   

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #72 on: March 28, 2011, 11:27:33 AM »
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Even his own family disputes where he was born and who delivered him.  No hospital records, no birth records, no doctor records, no long form BC, nothing whatsoever.    

so you're just choosing to ignore the direct quote from the spokeperson from the Department of Health that this is no long or short form?

hey but at least you have non quotes from unnamed family members on your side

seriously man

you're not actually an lawyer are you?


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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #73 on: March 28, 2011, 11:29:48 AM »
so you're just choosing to ignore the direct quote from the spokeperson from the Department of Health that this is no long or short form?

hey but at least you have non quotes from unnamed family members on your side

seriously man

you're not actually an lawyer are you?




Yes i am disputing that since others bon at the same time as him have a long form BC which is readily available to peope born in HA on that supposed dateand place.


What they posted in 2007 was a forgery as ell as the SS number they listed.       

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Re: GOP Has A Birther Majority
« Reply #74 on: March 28, 2011, 11:35:40 AM »

Yes i am disputing that since others bon at the same time as him have a long form BC which is readily available to peope born in HA on that supposed dateand place.


What they posted in 2007 was a forgery as ell as the SS number they listed.       

so you're saying the spokeperson for the Department of Hawaii is lying or just that she's misinformed and you know the Hawaii birth certificates better than the spokesperson from the department of health

here we go again

any proof to support your claim or just conjecture, could have beens, etc..?