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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bad Boy Dazza on February 03, 2013, 11:24:11 PM
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Why? Guilt? The drugs they have them on?
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doubt there are 22 australian army vets in total, "bad boy."
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doubt there are 22 australian army vets in total, "bad boy."
ha ha clownass
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why is this australian "bad boy" so obsessed with US issues?
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why is this australian "bad boy" so obsessed with US issues?
I'm not, but as this is primarily a US board, I figure people would rather discuss US matters. I don't think anyone cares too much about Australia.
BTW you are really obsessed with my "bad boy" moniker, does it turn you on a bit?
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omg, she's 17... omg, omg, omg!!!
yeah, real "bad boy" on our hands here.
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You really have a hard on for me don't you clownass.
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you're the only bitch available atm
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you're the only bitch available atm
well at least you can admit it. Nice homo.
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Understandable
Post-dramatic Stress disorder
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Post-dramatic Stress disorder
given "bad" boy's penchant for drama, I can see why he'd be interested.
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given "bad" boy's penchant for drama, I can see why he'd be interested.
Are you dryhumping me in your mind Clownfagass?
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Guilt. Nobody believes in these "wars". Not even the soldiers.
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All other countries are fixated on the US, obsessed with us......Eager to criticize or bash the shit out of us, but once disaster hits their country, they are coming up to us with their filthy hands out in supplication.
Its like the Yankees in the World Series(no pun intended).....you either love them or you hate them, there is no in-between..but you're still gonna watch 'em.
Oh, and its not Post Traumatic Stress Disorder....it is SHELL SHOCK!!!.
Australia, huh? That's the country whose leader wants the entire country to speak Mandarin because it is an "Asian Century." Pussies ;D
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All other countries are fixated on the US, obsessed with us......Eager to criticize or bash the shit out of us, but once disaster hits their country, they are coming up to us with their filthy hands out in supplication.
Australia has had several major tragedies in the last few years. MASSIVE floods + fires this last few months devastated huge areas. Pretty sure we haven't asked for a cent of international aid.
But my post about the suicides is not an attack on US military men, it is a sincere question on an issue that must raise thoughts in any intelligent person - as those statistics are thru the roof.
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Why? Guilt? The drugs they have them on?
There are many different reasons. But think of this: Gen X and Y were brought up differently, basically our parents didn't raise us right as a whole, so one is already effed in the head. then you go into the military which then brainwashes you, then you get sent out into a war where people are shooting at you, which then effs you up some more. They teach you how to shoot and drink, then you come home and are expected to act "normal". Well, what the hell is "normal"? Mental healthcare in the US ,ilitary is a joke, and Domestic violence is even worse---many vets take out their frustrations on their signif others---and it's a HUGE problem. Far more than the US military would like to admit.
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Yes it must be hard being sent off and told to act like an alpha violent male, then come home and be told to act like a liberal emasculated pc western male. Balancing those two would be schizophrenic in itself.
There are many different reasons. But think of this: Gen X and Y were brought up differently, basically our parents didn't raise us right as a whole, so one is already effed in the head. then you go into the military which then brainwashes you, then you get sent out into a war where people are shooting at you, which then effs you up some more. They teach you how to shoot and drink, then you come home and are expected to act "normal". Well, what the hell is "normal"? Mental healthcare in the US army is a joke, and Domestic violence is even worse---many vets take out their frustrations on their signif others---and it's a HUGE problem. Far more than the US military would like to admit.
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Yes I imagine you are right.
Guilt. Nobody believes in these "wars". Not even the soldiers.
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Yes it must be hard being sent off and told to act like an alpha violent male, then come home and be told to act like a liberal emasculated pc western male. Balancing those two would be schizophrenic in itself.
Remember a US military psychiatrist didn't want to go to war (against his fellow muslims) and shot up Fort Hood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting)
so that tells you the extent of how effed up in the head some people are---if a Army pschiatrists shoots up where he is stationed.
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Yes also a scary example of why having people from other countries (or a generation removed) in the military is dangerous. They are not all loyal to the US, and may have stronger loyalties to other countries.
Remember a US military psychiatrist didn't want to go to war (against his fellow muslims) and shot up Fort Hood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting)
so that tells you the extent of how effed up in the head some people are---if a Army pschiatrists shoots up where he is stationed.
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i dont know why but one thing is for sure, these guys really risked their life and we treat them like garbage
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22 a day, wouldn't that mean over a 20 year span 160,000 guys kill themselves that's some serious numbers? :o
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dopamine
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The US needs a Foreign Legion.
For people to fight who don't give a shit what they fighting for.
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The US needs a Foreign Legion.
For people to fight who don't give a shit what they fighting for.
Aren't the private armies the legions of the US?
There seems to be a good amount of firepower in private hands though I doubt they are as eloquently brutal as the Legion.
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Aren't the private armies the legions of the US?
There seems to be a good amount of firepower in private hands though I doubt they are as eloquently brutal as the Legion.
No one reads Soldier of Fortune magazine anymore?
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No one reads Soldier of Fortune magazine anymore?
Never read it, only played the games.
Is it authentic or like Flex for military minded people?
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maybe the thing about their personality who drove them to sign up and sacrifice themselves for a country is something that makes them feel empty when the tour of duty is over
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Never read it, only played the games.
Is it authentic or like Flex for military minded people?
Well, these days I couldn't say... but there used to be some legit ads for people who wanted to become actual mercs... I know of a couple of guys who got gigs from them.
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Well, these days I couldn't say... but there used to be some legit ads for people who wanted to become actual mercs... I know of a couple of guys who got gigs from them.
i remember a guy in my Regiment knew a pub(Bar)in London where it was the place to go for "jobs" we did go in there and it was ex mil guys but this was about 85/86. you could see it was a meeting place. An ex Military guy knows straight away the look and atmosphere. even the guy behind the bar was an ex Royal Marine and we spoke to him. was very distant till we showed our ID cards.
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Well, these days I couldn't say... but there used to be some legit ads for people who wanted to become actual mercs... I know of a couple of guys who got gigs from them.
Nice - will check it out.
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Nice - will check it out.
i take it your single?
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Only psychopaths could witness that much death firshand and not be affected by it.
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i take it your single?
Sir yes Sir! :D
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Sir yes Sir! :D
stand at ease soldier ;D
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The US needs a Foreign Legion.
For people to fight who don't give a shit what they fighting for.
That's an interesting idea, an analog of which is Max Boot's 2005 proposal that the U.S. set up a "Freedom Legion" that would have recruiting stations worldwide and which would reward U.S. citizenship to those who serve.
Here are some facts which make any such idea unlikely to come to fruition:
(i) If the group were formally associated with the U.S., its exploits would potentially be a PR disaster for the government, especially given the sorts of people such an organization is liable to attract.
(ii) It might be construed as a competitor to the U.S. military establishment since there are a finite number of resources to dedicate to soldiers ("Why not pour the money being spent on those crazy Legionnaires into our own guys' benefits/incentives?" the argument might run). The U.S. military will always win such an argument.
(iii) The U.S. military already is mercenarial (I may have just invented that term) in the sense that it is an AVF that offers unprecedented benefits in exchange for duty. Surely some proportion of our military is in it for citizenship and/or benefits rather than for any sociotropic concern (concern for society at large). The U.S. military is arguably more mercenarial than the French Foreign Legion (FFL) in this sense, given the benefits it provides are significantly higher than the Legion's.
(iv) The U.S. military can already utilize a quasi-mercenary force in the form of private contractors, most of whom poach from the military itself (and since they are U.S. companies with former U.S. military personnel as employees, a modicum of reliability/loyalty is already established).
(v) Finally, the U.S. already has the FFL at its behest. This is because the FFL is under the aegis of the French military, which is under the aegis of NATO, which is (to varying degrees) under the aegis of United States' foreign policy. Future conflicts the U.S. gets embroiled in will -- in all probability -- see the FFL by our side along with the French military and other NATO powers, meaning it is rather superfluous to establish another such force (especially given that the current one is funded by another country, not U.S. taxpayers).
The real solution to the problem at hand is obviously to expand/improve mechanisms for providing mental health treatment(s) to soldiers.
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stand at ease soldier ;D
*brutal ILS* ;D
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*brutal ILS* ;D
;D
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:(
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Us vets, will be the next "terrorists". Mark my words. We're dealing with some really evil scumbags.
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We can't rule out what these soldiers are being injected with before they go to war. I believe in the first Iraq War in the early 90's, soldiers were injected with dozens of shit they had to sign off on. And from what i've read, some of it was experimental.
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You guys act like every soldier sees action. Most are there for support.
22 a day? Since when did this start and is the VA saving money since everybody will be dead in a few years?
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You guys act like every soldier sees action. Most are there for support.
22 a day? Since when did this start and is the VA saving money since everybody will be dead in a few years?
I donno about iraq, but in afghanistan, your just as likely to get your legs blown off running telecom cables as you are in the infantry.
nobody is safe when the country is land minded to death.
I also think anyone with enough logic to figure out how brutal and destructive the war is on a personal level isn't gonna be feeling to normal after words.
Only psychopaths could witness that much death firshand and not be affected by it.
Actually even a pychopaths, can get fucked up by it in some ways their more vulnerable.
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I donno about iraq, but in afghanistan, your just as likely to get your legs blown off running telecom cables as you are in the infantry.
nobody is safe when the country is land minded to death.
How many suicides do Afghans have a day? Not counting the Suicide Bombers that target them.
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How many suicides do Afghans have a day? Not counting the Suicide Bombers that target them.
Ah don't get into this shit, there's a long history of refugee's from countries like afghanistan being fucked for generations.
For fuck sakes my cousins are still suffering from the repercussions of their great grandfathers service in the third reich.
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i dont know why but one thing is for sure, these guys really risked their life and we treat them like garbage
they died for you bitches.
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i dont know why but one thing is for sure, these guys really risked their life and we treat them like garbage
a. they're just doing a job. people try to act like it's a higher calling. whatever.
b. the welfare state is on its way out...
c. if they were smarter, they would have gotten a better job.
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I'm not ready to buy into the suicidal vet theory on the evidence presented. More than 22 non-veterans kill themselves each day, I imagine. It would be more illuminating to see a comparison of suicides as a percentage of vets vs the general population, as well as suicides by age, and periods time since in service.
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I'm not ready to buy into the suicidal vet theory on the evidence presented. More than 22 non-veterans kill themselves each day, I imagine. It would be more illuminating to see a comparison of suicides as a percentage of vets vs the general population, as well as suicides by age, and periods time since in service.
"The Pentagon says that although the military suicide rate has been rising, it remains below that of the civilian population. It says the civilian suicide rate for males aged 17-60 was 25 per 100,000 in 2010, the latest year for which such statistics are available. That compares with the military's rate in 2012 of 17.5 per 100,000."
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2012-military-suicides-hit-record-high-349 (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2012-military-suicides-hit-record-high-349)
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a. they're just doing a job. people try to act like it's a higher calling. whatever.
b. the welfare state is on its way out...
c. if they were smarter, they would have gotten a better job.
a) a firefighter is also just doing his job but it takes a certain kind of human to jump into a fire to save a life, these people who go into combat know full well many have died doing exactly what they are going to do, its not about a higher calling, its about them saying I will risk my life to defend their country.
b) welfare state is on the way out? What country do you live in? Have you seen the statistics lately on how many more people are collecting food stamps, unemployment, medical aid etc vs. say 10 years ago?
c) if you where smarter you wouldn't say something that stupid
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No one reads Soldier of Fortune magazine anymore?
I do, Kepi Blank is good mag too.
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That's an interesting idea, an analog of which is Max Boot's 2005 proposal that the U.S. set up a "Freedom Legion" that would have recruiting stations worldwide and which would reward U.S. citizenship to those who serve.
Here are some facts which make any such idea unlikely to come to fruition:
(i) If the group were formally associated with the U.S., its exploits would potentially be a PR disaster for the government, especially given the sorts of people such an organization is liable to attract.
(ii) It might be construed as a competitor to the U.S. military establishment since there are a finite number of resources to dedicate to soldiers ("Why not pour the money being spent on those crazy Legionnaires into our own guys' benefits/incentives?" the argument might run). The U.S. military will always win such an argument.
(iii) The U.S. military already is mercenarial (I may have just invented that term) in the sense that it is an AVF that offers unprecedented benefits in exchange for duty. Surely some proportion of our military is in it for citizenship and/or benefits rather than for any sociotropic concern (concern for society at large). The U.S. military is arguably more mercenarial than the French Foreign Legion (FFL) in this sense, given the benefits it provides are significantly higher than the Legion's.
(iv) The U.S. military can already utilize a quasi-mercenary force in the form of private contractors, most of whom poach from the military itself (and since they are U.S. companies with former U.S. military personnel as employees, a modicum of reliability/loyalty is already established).
(v) Finally, the U.S. already has the FFL at its behest. This is because the FFL is under the aegis of the French military, which is under the aegis of NATO, which is (to varying degrees) under the aegis of United States' foreign policy. Future conflicts the U.S. gets embroiled in will -- in all probability -- see the FFL by our side along with the French military and other NATO powers, meaning it is rather superfluous to establish another such force (especially given that the current one is funded by another country, not U.S. taxpayers).
The real solution to the problem at hand is obviously to expand/improve mechanisms for providing mental health treatment(s) to soldiers.
Actually Americans used foreign "legionaries" in Korea & they were in the U.S. uniforms mostly ex officers from WW2 (Dutch,Germans,Croats, etc.,)
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show your source
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show your source
yes i find this hard to believe..a lot of people do not know that Spain had a Foreign legion too at one time
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a) a firefighter is also just doing his job but it takes a certain kind of human to jump into a fire to save a life,
a firefighter sees no action 99% of the time; when there s action he does nothing like jumping into a fire to save lives. Hope this helps.
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We can't rule out what these soldiers are being injected with before they go to war. I believe in the first Iraq War in the early 90's, soldiers were injected with dozens of shit they had to sign off on. And from what i've read, some of it was experimental.
Yes that has long traditions.
I recall hearing nazis too gave their soldiers drugs to make them more aggressive and commit inhumane brutality :-\
Another aspect is the 'position' of soldier;
Being a man defending his country against an attack is different from being the one who attacks, aggressor.
Knowing that what you do is plain wrong, acting as attacker, must take its toll on most of us.
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there were "Naps" tablets and other things true but not what you are suggesting. This was to protect against chemical agents.
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(http://freetheanimal.com/images/2012/10/fat-guy-on-scooter.jpg)
meanwhile in america
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there were "Naps" tablets and other things true but not what you are suggesting. This was to protect against chemical agents.
I'm talking about sometimes suggested usage of testosterone among nazis.
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probably big macs or hot dogs
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probably big macs or hot dogs
Tito on roll tonight ;D ;D
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probably big macs or hot dogs
yeah or this.... ;D
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Actually Americans used foreign "legionaries" in Korea & they were in the U.S. uniforms mostly ex officers from WW2 (Dutch,Germans,Croats, etc.,)
That is an interesting fact that I wasn't aware of. However, it isn't contrary to my claim: in a contemporary context, a stable organization that employs mercenary types (ala the FFL, presumably the model for what we are discussing) and which is formally associated with the USG is a net liability for the reasons expressed and is thus unlikely to be formed now or in the near future. That the USG experimented with a simulacrum of this arrangement in decades' past doesn't touch on my point.
In fact, that such experimentation isn't firm evidence that a contemporary legion would be a net benefit to the USG today is derivable from the fact that no such legion exists (if the experiments were firm evidence that a legion would be a net benefit to the USG today, then a legion would exist; a legion doesn't exist; therefore, the experiments aren't firm evidence that a legion would be a net benefit to the USG today).
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yes i find this hard to believe..a lot of people do not know that Spain had a Foreign legion too at one time
It's up to U to believe or not, talk to Korean war vets & ask them.
They were recruited from "refuges camps" in Northern Italy by Americans & British .
For example, British employed around 200-300 former Muslim soldiers of SS Waffen Skenderbeg (Albanians) & Handzar (Bosnian Croats) divisions for war in Palestine against Jews.
Skenderbegs,Handzar & veterans of other German Legions until recently use to have annual reunions.
American foreigners also fought pro Communist regimes in Central America.
Thousands of Mussolini's Black Shirts emigrated to Australia,Brazil & Argentina.
Germans & Croats WW2 soldiers we welcome by Huan Peron in Argentina & Franco in Spain.
Another recent example is war in former Yugoslavia, Croatian Foreign Legion (Irish,EnglishJapanese,Germans,etc,.) existed , many of them
were decorated.
French Foreign Legionaries & large contingent of Americans were training Croatian army.
God knows how many white mercenaries were employed by Ian Smith in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) & P.W.Botha in South Africa.
O, by the way Foreign Legion is also based in French Guiana (not too far from the U.S.),Tahiti & New Caledonia.
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Apparently all or most of the 22 a day are recently serving vets. And apparently that's 7 times the equivalent rate that occurred with Vietnam vets.
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It's up to U to believe or not, talk to Korean war vets & ask them.
They were recruited from "refuges camps" in Northern Italy by Americans & British .
For example, British employed around 200-300 former Muslim soldiers of SS Waffen Skenderbeg (Albanians) & Handzar (Bosnian Croats) divisions for war in Palestine against Jews.
Skenderbegs,Handzar & veterans of other German Legions until recently use to have annual reunions.
American foreigners also fought pro Communist regimes in Central America.
Thousands of Mussolini's Black Shirts emigrated to Australia,Brazil & Argentina.
Germans & Croats WW2 soldiers we welcome by Huan Peron in Argentina & Franco in Spain.
Another recent example is war in former Yugoslavia, Croatian Foreign Legion (Irish,EnglishJapanese,Germans,etc,.) existed , many of them
were decorated.
French Foreign Legionaries & large contingent Americans were training Croatian army.
God knows how many white mercenaries were employed by Ian Smith in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) & P.W.Bot ha in South Africa.
O, by the way Foreign Legion is also based in French Guiana (not too far from the U.S.),Tahiti & New Caledonia.
I know that in the Bush War in Rhodesia, some American and foreign volunteers did fight in the regular Army.
As far as I know, SA did not use mercenaries but may have accepted foreign volunteers in a similar way in the regular Army.
One of the SADF'S battalions did comprise of mostly defected black Angolan soldiers though who were used in the Border War.
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I know that in the Bush War in Rhodesia, some American and foreign volunteers did fight in the regular Army.
As far as I know, SA did not use mercenaries but may have accepted foreign volunteers in a similar way in the regular Army.
One of the SADF'S battalions did comprise of mostly defected black Angolan soldiers though who were used in the Border War.
African Savannah + hundreds of dead black Cubans = too many fat Hyenas ( ;D ;D ; ;D ;D)
N.M. will die very soon & new action could start easily ;) ;)
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PLEASE RESPECT DEAD U.S. SOLDIERS :'(