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Alber Saber – Arrested for Atheism
Posted on September 16, 2012
Alber Saber, photo from his blog.
Egyptian blogger and computer science student, Alber Saber, has been arrested and charged with insulting Islam. He is being held in while the investigation continues. There are concerns for his safety in custody as he has already apparently had his neck slashed with a razor blade after guards told the prisoners of the reason for his arrest. It is almost certain the guard’s words were meant to encourage exactly this outcome.
Saber has also announced via family that he is starting a hunger strike.
[b]On Wednesday, September 12th, a Muslim friend and neighbor using Saber’s computer reportedly discovered that he was the admin for the Egyptian Athiests Facebook page, which is the largest of several such groups online with over a thousand “likes”. On September 10 the notorious “Innocence of Muslims” had been posted on the site. Over the next two days crowds began to gather outside his house, threatening Saber and his mother.[/b]
On Thursday night Saber’s mother called the police, hoping for protection. When the police arrived however, rather than fending the threatening mob outside, they arrested her son.
The charge according to his lawyer and supporters, focuses on videos in which Saber discusses his own Coptic faith or lack thereof. This makes sense as to charge anyone for posting the “Innocence of Muslims” video would set an impossible precedent. Even conservative broadcasters have also shown the video, or sections of it on their shows. It is not yet clear however, which materials will be included in the case against him, which is currently in the hands of the General Prosecutor. The next hearing is expected in four days.
After talking with Saber’s friends it seems likely to me that Egypt’s Islamist leaders are hoping to create a local issue where they can be seen as the tough guys, to distract Egyptians from how the furor in the international arena, in the context of which they seem impotent.
You can show your support by liking the Free Alber Saber page on Facebook.
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Dead by next week.
Religion of gay butt sex.
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Seriously though, what are we expected to do? Go to war because they're mistreating one dude? It sucks, but it's life.
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Seriously though, what are we expected to do? Go to war because they're mistreating one dude? It sucks, but it's life.
I would say seeing and treating these radical retards for what they are would be a start.
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I thought Egypt was democratic now that Mubarak is gone ???
Seriously, this whole "Arab spring" thingy is backfiring USA like crazy. The ousted guys were mickey mouses compared to these in power now as have been seen in recent days. They are more aggressive, have no capability to control their people like the old dudes had.
Unless it was Americans plan from beginning to cause chaos in the region, of course.
But we don't know so this is all speculation.
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I thought Egypt was democratic now that Mubarak is gone ???
Seriously, this whole "Arab spring" thingy is backfiring USA like crazy. The ousted guys were mickey mouses compared to these in power now as have been seen in recent days. They are more aggressive, have no capability to control their people like the old dudes had.
Unless it was Americans plan from beginning to cause chaos in the region, of course.
But we don't know so this is all speculation.
Maybe you're right, hopefully so. Then we can go over there and wipe those fuckers off this planet once and for all.
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What would you expect of a country where women got their clits mutilated.
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Seriously though, what are we expected to do? Go to war because they're mistreating one dude? It sucks, but it's life.
we need to get the hell out of there and leave them alone. If they want to live like dogs in fear, we should let them.
Come and move to the USA, we have freedoms you can only dream of.
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we need to get the hell out of there and leave them alone. If they want to live like dogs in fear, we should let them.
Come and move to the USA, we have freedoms you can only dream of.
I disagree. Leaving them alone will only allow them to fester and their numbers will swell. They need to be kept in check.
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I disagree. Leaving them alone will only allow them to fester and their numbers will swell. They need to be kept in check.
Put a giant bubble around the entire area and let them kill each other.
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I disagree. Leaving them alone will only allow them to fester and their numbers will swell. They need to be kept in check.
What difference does it make? What are they goin to do, invent an invading army? Seriously, they'll continue to live in the stone age.
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What difference does it make? What are they goin to do, invent an invading army? Seriously, they'll continue to live in the stone age.
Repeat September 11th, USS Cole, World Trade Center Bombings, Embassy bombings ad infinitum and worse, spread their religious nonsense even more than it already is. This is why Ron Poop Paul was a moron. He fails to realize that Radical Islam is the World`s number one threat.
These people need to be checked and dealt with accordingly. If that means more Drone Strikes, then so be it.
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Nuke them all.
Problem solved. :D
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These disgusting pieces of shit hate America and everything it stands for. I have no respect for them.
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These disgusting pieces of shit hate America and everything it stands for. I have no respect for them.
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No lie, close our borders, pull out of that shithole and let them destroy themselves.
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No lie, close our borders, pull out of that shithole and let them destroy themselves.
Thats not the way it works. You let them grow and multiply, you have a problem on your hands. They don`t really destroy themselves as much as they wish to destroy Western Civilization in an attempt to restore the Caliphate.
Leaving them alone is disastrous. They should be driven as far to the cliff as possible with only two choices, surrender or jump.
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These disgusting pieces of shit hate America and everything it stands for. I have no respect for them.
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Where do these goat lovers get all those American flags? I couldn't find an Egytian flag if my life depended on it.
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Who are terry and sam
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I repeat again.... Egyptians (My own people) do not understand AND DO NOT DESERVE freedom or democracy!
They continually prove over and over again that the only way they can be ruled is with an iron fist by dictators like Mubarak!
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Who are terry and sam
I take it you don`t pay attention whatsoever to the news? ???
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these people expect to be well treated in other lands and talk about fucking Islam. Fuck if you said a word against them in their peasant lands...you would be murderd.... GET ISLAM OUT OF OUR COUNTRIES !! They obey our laws and ways or fucking kick the Kunts out... GETTING SICK OFF THEIR ISLAM BOLLOCKS
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I repeat again.... Egyptians (My own people) do not understand AND DO NOT DESERVE freedom or democracy!
They continually prove over and over again that the only way they can be ruled is with an iron fist by dictators like Mubarak!
I think Sharia Law and the form of Islam practiced there are the main problem and cause of this. As long as that is at the forefront of their society, they will continually fail to be civilized and freedom deserving. The very nature of Sharia law is the antithesis to freedom.
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I take it you don`t pay attention whatsoever to the news? ???
I thought that Sam wasn't a real person, no harm there. As for the pastor, fuck him, he deserves death too. Anyways, I'd say nuke them and bring back colonization, but since that isn't going to ever happen, we should just isolate ourselves.
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I repeat again.... Egyptians (My own people) do not understand AND DO NOT DESERVE freedom or democracy!
They continually prove over and over again that the only way they can be ruled is with an iron fist by dictators like Mubarak!
I wish you could go talk some sense into them! If you went there and let it be known that you really don`t believe in all that nonsense, there is no telling what would happen to you my friend. How are you able to deal with that, knowing if you truly expressed your real feelings and beliefs, you would be imprisoned, assaulted and possibly killed? That is pretty frightening.
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I thought that Sam wasn't a real person, no harm there. As for the pastor, fuck him, he deserves death too. Anyways, I'd say nuke them and bring back colonization, but since that isn't going to ever happen, we should just isolate ourselves.
Thats precisely how the cancer spreads. These low budget filmmakers were minding their own business in the United States, and look what happened. You can`t pretend your Ron Poop Paul approach is even remotely effective.
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Where do these goat lovers get all those American flags? I couldn't find an Egytian flag if my life depended on it.
;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D hahhahha
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Again with religion causing untold misery and violence.
ALL religion. Not a one promotes peace and harmony, either directly or non-directly.
As far as this Islam crud, these brainwashed bandits have a level of boodthirst unparalleled in the contemporary world. Prophet Muhammad = what a joke.
Folks flee that corner of the world to avoid the horsehit ... and then slowly turn the places to which they relocate into the same shitholes.
AND WE ALLOW IT.
I am so very sick of religion, corruption and greed.
Fuck the world. Hail and kill (yes, Manowar, bitches).
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I wish you could go talk some sense into them! If you went there and let it be known that you really don`t believe in all that nonsense, there is no telling what would happen to you my friend. How are you able to deal with that, knowing if you truly expressed your real feelings and beliefs, you would be imprisoned, assaulted and possibly killed? That is pretty frightening.
Why do you think about I live in America, the greatest country in the world, now ;D
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Why do you think about I live in America, the greatest country in the world, now ;D
I know, but when you go to Egypt how do you deal with knowing that what you truly feel and believe has to be kept silent or else you face serious consequences, possibly death?
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I know, but when you go to Egypt how do you deal with knowing that what you truly feel and believe has to be kept silent or else you face serious consequences, possibly death?
Well the people i associate with, for the most part, are educated and not judgmental so i can be a little bit vocal. But not too much lol
You have to remember there are 80 million people living in Egypt and only about 2000-3000 demonstrating outside the us embassy.
Although a lot of people do, Not everyone agrees with the brotherhood And this ridiculous Islamic extremism movement.
Nevertheless, there is no hope for that country. I just spoke this morning to my father who is there right now and he says, "you have no idea what Egypt is like now, its not the old Egypt we used to know, its unlivable, like Iran, or even worse". Then he went on to tell me he wants to sell all his assets and move out of the country because he is fed up.
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Well the people i associate with, for the most part, are educated and not judgmental so i can be a little bit vocal. But not too much lol
You have to remember there are 80 million people living in Egypt and only about 2000-3000 demonstrating outside the us embassy.
Although a lot of people do, Not everyone agrees with the brotherhood And this ridiculous Islamic extremism movement.
Nevertheless, there is no hope for that country. I just spoke this morning to my father who is there right now and he says, "you have no idea what Egypt is like now, its not the old Egypt we used to know, its unlivable, like Iran, or even worse". Then he went on to tell me he wants to sell all his assets and move out of the country because he is fed up.
How can this problem be solved ultimately? Egyptians have so much great history that predates Islam, that its a shame its not more revered than the current religious sphere of influence.
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Again with religion causing untold misery and violence.
ALL religion. Not a one promotes peace and harmony, either directly or non-directly.
Not sure if you consider Christianity a religion, but if so just fyi:
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble. -- 1 Peter 3:8
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. For,
“Whoever would love life
and see good days
must keep their tongue from evil
and their lips from deceitful speech.
They must turn from evil and do good;
they must seek peace and pursue it.
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous
and his ears are attentive to their prayer,
but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.” -- 1 Peter 3:9-12
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. -- Eph 4:29-32
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Not sure if you consider Christianity a religion, but if so just fyi:
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble. -- 1 Peter 3:8
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. -- Eph 4:29-32
Christianity is just as useless. The world is a much better place once Stone-Aged thinking is relegated to the dustbin of history. This comes from your book of nonsense.
Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace but a sword.Matthew 10:34
I came to bring fire to the earth and how I wish it were already kindled! Do you think that I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.Luke 12:49-51
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Not sure if you consider Christianity a religion, but if so just fyi:
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble. -- 1 Peter 3:8
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. For,
“Whoever would love life
and see good days
must keep their tongue from evil
and their lips from deceitful speech.
They must turn from evil and do good;
they must seek peace and pursue it.
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous
and his ears are attentive to their prayer,
but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.” -- 1 Peter 3:9-12
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. -- Eph 4:29-32
Here is some more bullshit.
"children will rise up against their parents and have them put to death (Matthew 10:21,34-37,Luke 12:51-53)" "apocalyptic vision of Revelation which imagines one third of the world's population being killed.(Revelation 9:15)."[1]
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Not sure if you consider Christianity a religion, but if so just fyi:
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble. -- 1 Peter 3:8
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. For,
“Whoever would love life
and see good days
must keep their tongue from evil
and their lips from deceitful speech.
They must turn from evil and do good;
they must seek peace and pursue it.
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous
and his ears are attentive to their prayer,
but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.” -- 1 Peter 3:9-12
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. -- Eph 4:29-32
Have fun with this.
Cruelty in the New Testament
And Moses spake to the children of Israel, that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stone him with stones. And the children of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.--Lev.24:23
Power-mad, belligerent, masochistic, petty, woefully insecure, extremely dangerous and unpredictable (and seemingly not too bright) Yahweh exhibits all the worst attributes of man. -- Brendan Powell Smith, creator of the Brick Testament
Matthew
Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19
"The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12
Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21
Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21
Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36
Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24
Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7
Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9
In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. The parable ends with this: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you." If you are cruel to others, God will be cruel to you. 18:23-35
"And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34
God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and rents the vineyard to others. 21:33-41
"Whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." Whoever falls on "this stone" (Jesus) will be broken, and whomever the stone falls on will be ground into powder. 21:44
In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13
Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51
The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30
Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41
Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46
Mark
Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13
Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10
Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49
God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and gives the vineyard to others. 12:1-9
Jesus tells his disciples to eat his body and drink his blood. 14:22-24
Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16
Luke
God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel's words. 1:20
Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9
John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned "with fire unquenchable." 3:17
Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive (for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. 8:27-37
Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. 10:10-15
Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. 12:5
Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47
"Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." 13:3, 5
According to Jesus, only a few will be saved; the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13:23-30
In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man goes to hell, because as Abraham explains, he had a good life on earth and so now he will be tormented. Whereas Lazarus, who was miserable on earth, is now in heaven. This seems fair to Jesus. 16:19-31
Jesus believed the story of Noah's ark. He thought it really happened and had no problem with the idea of God drowning everything and everybody. 17:26-27
Jesus also believes the story about Sodom's destruction. He says, "even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed ... Remember Lot's wife." This tells us about Jesus' knowledge of science and history, and his sense of justice. 17:29-32
In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27
Jesus tells his disciples to eat his body and drink his blood. 22:19-20
John
Jesus believed the stupid and vicious story from Numbers 21. (God sent snakes to bite the people for complaining about the lack of food and water. Then God told Moses to make a brass snake to cure them from the bites.) 3:14
"God so loved the world, that he gave his His only begotten Son."
As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. 3:16
People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36
The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36
Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14
Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6
Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66
Acts
Peter claims that Deuteronomy 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23
Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when selling their land. 5:1-10
Peter has a dream in which God show him "wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls." The voice (God's?) says, "Rise, Peter: kill and eat." 10:10-13
Peter describes the vision that he had in the last chapter (10:10-13). All kinds of beasts, creeping things, and fowls drop down from the sky in a big sheet, and a voice (God's, Satan's?) tells him to "Arise, Peter; slay and eat." 11:5-10
The "angel of the Lord" killed Herod by having him "eaten of worms" because "he gave not God the glory." 12:23
David was "a man after [God's] own heart." 13:22
The author of Acts talks about the "sure mercies of David." But David was anything but merciful. For an example of his behavior see 2 Sam.12:31 and 1 Chr.20:3, where he saws, hacks, and burns to death the inhabitants of several cities. 13:34
Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11
Romans
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32
The guilty are "justified" and "saved from wrath" by the blood of an innocent victim. 5:9
God punishes everyone for someone else's sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim. 5:12
"If ... we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son", then God is truly a monster. 5:10
1 Corinthians
If you defile the temple of God, God will destroy you. 3:17
Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8
If you tempt Christ (How could you tempt Christ?), you'll will die from snake bites. 10:9
If you murmur, you'll be destroyed by the destroyer (God). 10:10
2 Corinthians
The terror of the Lord 5:11
Galatians
If anyone dares to disagree with Paul on religious matters, "let him be accursed." 1:8-9
Ephesians
We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11
God had his son murdered to keep himself from hurting others for things they didn't do. 1:7
The bloody death of Jesus smelled good to God. 5:2
Those who refuse to obey will face the wrath of God. 5:6
Philippians
Colossians
God bought us with someone else's blood. 1:14
God makes peace through blood. 1:19-20
1 Thessalonians
God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10
Christians shouldn't mourn the death of their fellow believers. They'll be OK and you'll see them later in heaven. The people you should mourn are dead nonbelievers. They have no hope (because they're going to hell). 4:13
2 Thessalonians
Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9
Jesus will "consume" the wicked "with the spirit of his mouth." 2:8
God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12
1 Timothy
2 Timothy
Titus
Philemon
Hebrews
"That which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned."
Apostates will burn in hell with the other non-believers. 6:8
"Melchisedec ... met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him."
God showed his approval of "the slaughter of the kings" with Melchisedec's blessing of Abraham. (Genesis 14:17-18) 7:1
God will not forgive anyone unless something is killed for him in a bloody manner. 9:13-22
"A certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
God will soon destroy non-believers in a fiery hell. 10:27
Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed without mercy. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29
"Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord." 10:30
"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." 10:31
"Abraham ... offered up Isaac ... his only begotten son." (And this was a good thing? How fucked up is that?) 11:17
The Israelites kept the passover and sprinkled blood on doorposts so that God wouldn't kill their firstborn children (like he did the Egyptians in Exodus 12:29). 11:28
God saved Rahab because she believed. (He killed all the non-believers in Jericho.) 11:31
"Time would fail me to tell of Gideon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthah; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets."
The heroes of faith: Gideon, Samson, Jephthah, David, and Samuel. It would be hard to find a more monstrous group than these guys. 11:32
"Others were tortured ... that they might obtain a better resurrection." 11:35
God ordered animals to be "stoned, or thrust through with a dart" if they "so much as ... touch the mountain." 12:20
"Ye are come ... to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel." 12:22-24
James
James says Abraham was justified by works (for being willing to kill his son for God); Paul (Rom.4:2-3) says he was justified by faith (for believing that God would order him to do such an evil act). 2:21
1 Peter
We are all, according to Peter, predestined to be saved or damned. We have no say in the matter. It was all determined by "the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ."1:2
"The precious blood of Christ ... was foreordained before the foundation of the world."
God planned to kill Jesus from the get-go. 1:19-20
God drowned everyone on earth except for Noah and his family. 3:20
2 Peter
God drowned everyone else on earth except for Noah and his family. 2:5, 3:6
"Turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes" 2:6
God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7
When Jesus returns, he'll burn up the whole earth and everything on it. 3:10
1 John
Jesus' blood washes away human sin. 1:7
2 John
3 John
Jude
"The Lord destroyed them that believed not." 5
God sent "eternal fire" on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah for "going after strange flesh." 7-8
Revelation
Jesus "washed us ... with his own blood." 1:5
Everyone on earth will wail because of Jesus. 1:7
Jesus has "the keys of hell and death." 1:18
Repent -- or else Jesus will fight you with the sword that sticks out of his mouth. (Like the limbless knight in Monty Python's "Holy Grail.") 2:16
"I [Jesus] will kill her children with death." 2:23
"Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." God created parasites, pathogens, and predators for his very own pleasure. One of his favorite species is guinea worms. 4:11
"Thou art worthy ... for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood." 5:9
God gives someone on a white horse a bow and sends him out to conquer people. 6:2
God gave power to someone on a red horse "to take from the earth ... that they should kill one another." 6:4
God tells Death and Hell to kill one quarter of the earth's population with the sword, starvation, and "with the beasts of the earth." 6:8
The martyrs just can't wait until everyone else is slaughtered. God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait until he's done with his killing spree. 6:10-11
God tells his murderous angels to "hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of your God on their foreheads." This verse is one that Christians like to use to show God's loving concern for the environment. But the previous verse (7:2) makes it clear that it was their God-given job to "hurt the earth and the sea" just as soon as they finished their forehead marking job. 7:3
144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell. 7:4
Those that survive the great tribulation will get to wash their clothes in the blood of the lamb. 7:14
God sends his angels to destroy a third part of all the trees, grass, sea creature, mountains, sun, moon, starts, and water. 8:7-13
"Many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." 8:11
The angels are instructed not to "hurt the grass [how could they? He already had all the grass killed in 8:7] ... but only those men which have not the seal of God on their foreheads." God tells his angels not to kill them, but rather torment them with scorpions for five months. Those tormented will want to die, but God won't let them. 9:4-6
God makes some horse-like locusts with human heads, women's hair, lion's teeth, and scorpion's tails. They sting people and hurt them for five months. 9:7-10
Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth's population. 9:15-19
Anyone that messes with God's two olive trees and two candlesticks (God's witnesses) will be burned to death by fire that comes out of their mouths. 11:3-5
God's witnesses have special powers. They can shut up heaven so that it cannot rain, turn rivers into blood, and smite the earth with plagues "as often as they will." 11:6
After God's witnesses "have finished their testimony," they are killed in a war with a beast from a bottomless pit. 11:7
Their dead bodies lie unburied for three and a half days. People will "rejoice over them and make merry, and shall send gifts to one another." After another three and half days God brings his witnesses back to life and they ascend into heaven. 11:8-12
When the witnesses ascend into heaven, an earthquake kills 7000 men. This was the second woe. "The third woe cometh quickly." 11:13-14
"The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"
God planned to kill Jesus before he created the world. 13:8
Those who receive the mark of the beast will "drink of the wine of the wrath of God ... and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone ... and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever." 14:10-11
Jesus sits on a white cloud with a sharp sickle in his hand. When the angel tells him to reap, he kills all the people with his sickle. 14:14-18
"The great winepress of the wrath of God ... was trodden ... and the blood cam out of the winepress, even unto the horses bridles." 14:19-20
Seven angels with seven plagues are filled with the wrath of God. 15:1, 15:7
The seven vials of wrath: 1) sores, 2) sea turned to blood, 3) rivers turned to blood, 4) people scorched with fire, 5) people gnaw their tongues in pain, 6) Euphrates dries up, 7) thunder, lightning, earthquake, and hail. 16:1
"There fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast." 16:2
"The second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea." 16:3
"The third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood." 16:4
God gave the saints and prophets blood to drink. 16:6
An angel tells God how righteous he is because he gives saints blood to drink. 16:7
"Power was given unto him [the fourth angel] to scorch men with fire." 16:8
Those who were being burned to death by God didn't repent "to give him glory." 16:9
"The fifth angel poured out his vial ... and they gnawed their tongues for pain." 16:10
Even after being burned alive, those nasty people wouldn't repent! 16:11
Christians will fight in the war between Jesus and those allied with the beast. 17:14
"They shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire." (Are they going to eat her first and then burn her?) 17:16-17
To punish her God will send plagues and famine, and "she will be utterly burned with fire." 18:8
God will send plagues, death, and famine on Babylon, and the kings "who have committed fornication with her" will be sad to see her burn. 18:8-9
Jesus makes war. 19:11
Jesus's clothes are dipped in blood and his secret name ("that no man knew") is "The Word of God". (I bet you thought it was Jesus!) 19:13
With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful in heaven into holy war on earth. 19:14-15
"Come ... unto the supper of the great God." An angel calls all the fowls to feast upon the flesh of dead horses and human bodies, "both free and bond, both small and great." 19:17-18
The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest were killed with the sword of Jesus. "And all the fowls were filled with their flesh." 19:20-21
God will send fire from heaven to devour people. And the devil will be tormented "day and night for ever and ever." 20:9-10
Whoever isn't found listed in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. 20:15
All liars, as well as those who are fearful or unbelieving, will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." 21:8
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Again with religion causing untold misery and violence.
ALL religion. Not a one promotes peace and harmony, either directly or non-directly.
As far as this Islam crud, these brainwashed bandits have a level of boodthirst unparalleled in the contemporary world. Prophet Muhammad = what a joke.
Folks flee that corner of the world to avoid the horsehit ... and then slowly turn the places to which they relocate into the same shitholes.
AND WE ALLOW IT.
I am so very sick of religion, corruption and greed.
Fuck the world. Hail and kill (yes, Manowar, bitches).
Exactly. These people hate their country, then come here and integrate their shitty beliefs and start the cave in of society in the place they come to. It's sad, but it's going to happen, as it has happened all throughout history. Maybe Russia would be better? ???
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I disagree. Leaving them alone will only allow them to fester and their numbers will swell. They need to be kept in check.
At what cost?
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lets get out of everyones damn country and buisness i bet they wont hate us so much then
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lets get out of everyones damn country and buisness i bet they wont hate us so much then
Spot on Falcon. Let them take of their on shit.
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lets get out of everyones damn country and buisness i bet they wont hate us so much then
x2
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they might even event a decent spaceshitp if we left tham alone. (http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/about/images/askbob.gif)
we could outsmart them by leaving them alone . but our cuntry isnt "for the people and by the people" anymore so we just add fuel to the fire whenever we can
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Relax - science is overrated anyways ;D
NWO on its way.
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What I don't understand is when people move from another country to this (or other country) for a better life, yet refuse to Intergrate into said country's society, and wish for the country that they emigrated to be like the country that they left...which doesn't make any damn sense, since you left to escape the way your original country was run.
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Fucked up situation, unfortunately this type of thing happens a 100 times a day in certain parts of the world.
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us only tolerates domestic hate/neeguls from own country but not other countries hating on us lol
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Spot on Falcon. Let them take of their on shit.
Naivety at its finest. ::)
Yes give in to their demands, and give them EXACTLY what they want.
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lets get out of everyones damn country and buisness i bet they wont hate us so much then
won't happen, as that would cause a loss of power and control
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What I don't understand is when people move from another country to this (or other country) for a better life, yet refuse to Intergrate into said country's society, and wish for the country that they emigrated to be like the country that they left...which doesn't make any damn sense, since you left to escape the way your original country was run.
Sounds like Mexican's.
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us only tolerates domestic hate/neeguls from own country but not other countries hating on us lol
Are you sympathizing with terrorists? :o
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What I don't understand is when people move from another country to this (or other country) for a better life, yet refuse to Intergrate into said country's society, and wish for the country that they emigrated to be like the country that they left...which doesn't make any damn sense, since you left to escape the way your original country was run.
This!
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Are you sympathizing with terrorists? :o
actually we're terrorizing them adonis or invading them by their definition , we should get our embassy's out of there, no good whiteman should set foot in these savage countries unless they chill out
our attitude about being diplomatic with the world is just a coverup to really destroy the shit out of these countries
USA "hey we bring some chicken nuggets and some potato to your country for starving people"
Egypt "ok great man but some of use dont want you to keep comeing over here and we want you to GTFO bitch"
USA "he we come and bring som more hchikn nugget and fench fries"
Egypt "ok we fucking kill you next time you come over"
USA " you just killed some of our guys now we invade the fuck out of your country take everting you do not accept out offering "
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What I don't understand is when people move from another country to this (or other country) for a better life, yet refuse to Intergrate into said country's society, and wish for the country that they emigrated to be like the country that they left...which doesn't make any damn sense, since you left to escape the way your original country was run.
i have asked numerous immigrants from asians to indians to muslims and they all say the same thing
we dont want to live like them, the people who have no culture or morals. people who act like fools
you have to understand its very hard to come from a place like that and excpect them to integrate
where sex and alcohol are dominant
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The maelstrom of anti-western violence in the Arab world has little to do with an anti-Islam propaganda film released on YouTube.
It has more to do with decades of perceived western imperialism – and the organisational skills of the Salafis, known for their no-compromise, literal interpretation of the faith.
Such rightwing Islamists were wrongfooted by the Arab spring. For years, the jihadis and Salafis thought they had a monopoly on revolution and were the only viable opposition to the Arab dictators.
When the regimes were threatened by popular uprisings, the Salafis took weeks and months to respond. In Libya they initially called for the demonstrators to support the ruler of the land, Muammar Gaddafi. As it became clear that the revolutions would not instantly deliver the brighter future people had marched for, the Salafis began to use that discontent to their advantage.
They are brilliant at agitating on the streets – working on the unemployed, the frustrated, people who feel life should be better. In Tunis, the Salafi agitation began months before the propaganda film – the Innocence of Muslims – surfaced. They attacked cinemas, secularists and artists. In Bahrain and Syria they worked along sectarian lines, and in Egypt they launched vicious confrontations with the Coptic Christians.
In Libya, the Salafis have been systematically burning Sufi shrines and trashing Christian cemeteries, while the government has felt too weak to confront them. Some of the demonstrations – in Damascus, Khartoum and Tehran – will have been backed by the state.
Anti-western sentiment is rife in the Arab world. Germans, British, Danish – all are deemed guilty for the colonial crimes of the past and present. The US, of course, is perceived as the most arrogant of all, with 50 or more years of perceived bigotry, support for Israel at the expense of the Palestinians, sanctions on Iran and occupation of Iraq.
Barack Obama's Arab honeymoon was squandered by drone attacks on Pakistan and Yemen and his impotence over Israel. As Salman Rushdie wrote recently in the New Yorker about the people who led the fatwa against him: "As for the British Muslim 'leaders', whom, exactly, did they lead? They were leaders without followers, mountebanks trying to make careers out of her brother's misfortune. For a generation, the politics of ethnic minorities in Britain had been secular and socialist. This was the mosques' way of getting religion into the driver's seat."
So it is with the Salafis. Very few of the people setting fire to the German embassy in Khartoum, attacking the American school in Tunis or torching a KFC in Beirut will have even seen the Innocence of Muslims. If the prophet had really been insulted, you would see 100 million in the streets. Instead we only see a few thousand.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/14/embassy-attacks-salafis-jihadists?intcmp=239
Btw: Bush used to say and Obama keep repeating that USA is the world oldest democracy,
Can someone explain that to me? Democracy was created in Greece, i believe "i could googled .. but im not in a mood" until 60's or 70's blacks or women was not allowed to vote in USA... so?
Almost forgot, you vote on someone that will represent you, you still don't have the power to vote...where's your democracy?
You can not spread something you don't have.
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Btw: Bush used to say and Obama keep repeating that USA is the world oldest democracy,
Can someone explain that to me? Democracy was created in Greece, i believe "i could googled .. but im not in a mood" until 60's or 70's blacks or women was not allowed to vote in USA... so?
Almost forgot, you vote on someone that will represent you, you still don't have the power to vote...where's your democracy?
You can not spread something you don't have.
We are most definitely not the worlds oldest Democracy. Im unsure about Greece, but I KNOW Rome at one point was a representative republic just the the US.
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i have asked numerous immigrants from asians to indians to muslims and they all say the same thing
we dont want to live like them, the people who have no culture or morals. people who act like fools
you have to understand its very hard to come from a place like that and excpect them to integrate
where sex and alcohol are dominant
Yes, like you can't find sex and alcohol in their countries. Where many of them stockpile American porn like comicbook collectors. Or where they exploit their women in the sex trade.
Please---when you see Asians opening up liquor stores, and Indians/pakis groping women that come to their
gas stations or 7/11s and then call them whores...you see that many of them don't want to intergrate. Because if their country and or culture was so great, why did they move---why can't they be better.
Funny thing is, their kids become more American than native born Americans.
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Yes, like you can't find sex and alcohol in their countries. Where many of them stockpile American porn like comicbook collectors. Or where they exploit their women in the sex trade.
Please---when you see Asians opening up liquor stores, and Indians/pakis groping women that come to their
gas stations or 7/11s and then call them whores...you see that many of them don't want to intergrate. Because if their country and or culture was so great, why did they move---why can't they be better.
Funny thing is, their kids become more American than native born Americans.
Its true, pisses me off to see immigrants flee their shitholes only to try and bring the same fucking culture here, you left for a reason fucksticks!
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Yes, like you can't find sex and alcohol in their countries. Where many of them stockpile American porn like comicbook collectors. Or where they exploit their women in the sex trade.
Please---when you see Asians opening up liquor stores, and Indians/pakis groping women that come to their
gas stations or 7/11s and then call them whores...you see that many of them don't want to intergrate. Because if their country and or culture was so great, why did they move---why can't they be better.
Funny thing is, their kids become more American than native born Americans.
Exactly. Asians/Pakistani's usually have the largest and most extensive selection of dirty magazines in their gas stations.
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Its true, pisses me off to see immigrants flee their shitholes only to try and bring the same fucking culture here, you left for a reason fucksticks!
Yes, these bitches should stay in their country and build it up, instead of coming to our well oiled machine like a bunch of Johnny come latelys. We should close our borders, seriously. I can't stand immigrants unless they're western European.
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Exactly. Asians/Pakistani's usually have the largest and most extensive selection of dirty magazines in their gas stations.
Their is a growing problem of them sexually assaulting women at night at gas stations or 7/11s. And if charges are filed, they flee the country...
I think people obsess over what is taboo in their culture, and when are here, they go hog wild, but blame said culture for "tempting" them with "sin", therefore creating a hatred for said culture...
I don't give a damn if you come over here for a better life. But some people are rediculous. You don't demand or change the culture to suit the way you lived back in your original country---because you left that for a reason. I understand many people don't want to lose their culture, but it's a give and take.
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dont these radical egyptians and muslims remind you of GROINK getting all angry and hateful because he doesnt wack off
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Sounds like Mexican's.
Mexicans bOost the economy, not blow shit up tho.
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Mexicans bOost the economy, not blow shit up tho.
But, they bring down the average height, muddy up the demographics, and generally drink and drive.
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What I don't understand is when people move from another country to this (or other country) for a better life, yet refuse to Intergrate into said country's society, and wish for the country that they emigrated to be like the country that they left...which doesn't make any damn sense, since you left to escape the way your original country was run.
Its usually the muslims who refuse to intergrate. Most other religions have no problem getting along with other cultures. The sharia law added to the host country? Really? Do Hindus or buddhists or any other religion make similar demands? Of course not.
Religion of Peace? Only in hollow words and not action. Of course muslims will try to make the arguement that all this savagery is done by outcasts that dont follow islam or the koran.
Really?
So why dont the "real" muslims speak out and condemn these actions?
Where are these so called islamic scholars when death is called for as punishment because someone has a differing point of view?
Do these true followers of Islam step in prevent women from being stoned to death or prevent similar atrocities?
There are plenty of muslims on getbig that love to jump on the US or any western nation at the slightest excuse but when atrocities are committed by their own they stay silent.
The greatest enemy of Islam is their own kind not the US. It's no surprise that muslims are unwelcome in every country that they are not the majority in.
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But, they bring down the average height, muddy up the demographics, and generally drink and drive.
But they cook the best food and some Latinas are hot. So I will let that shit slide.
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Its usually the muslims who refuse to intergrate. Most other religions have no problem getting along with other cultures. The sharia law added to the host country? Really? Do Hindus or buddhists or any other religion make similar demands? Of course not.
Religion of Peace? Only in hollow words and not action. Of course muslims will try to make the arguement that all this savagery is done by outcasts that dont follow islam or the koran.
Really?
So why dont the "real" muslims speak out and condemn these actions?
Where are these so called islamic scholars when death is called for as punishment because someone has a differing point of view?
Do these true followers of Islam step in prevent women from being stoned to death or prevent similar atrocities?
There are plenty of muslims on getbig that love to jump on the US or any western nation at the slightest excuse but when atrocities are committed by their own they stay silent.
The greatest enemy of Islam is their own kind not the US. It's no surprise that muslims are unwelcome in every country that they are not the majority in.
Where are the liberals and why are they not speaking up against the extremists?
1. They are outnumbered (the level of uneducated people who are extreme is far greater in these parts of the world than of those who are educated and are against this silliness.
2. They fear for their lives because if they speak up against the crazies they will be attacked and possibly killed. Trust me on this one, I've lived and worked in that part of the world.)
3. They leave their countries and assimilate/ keep a low profile in western countries (as me and my family have done) which is why you don't hear from them. You will only notice the crazies who don't want to integrate into western society.
The liberals who stand against this savagery exist in the Muslim world, they are not the majority, but they are there.
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Are the Muslims in southeast Asia as bad as the ones in the middle east? Maybe it's an Arab/Persian thing.
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Are the Muslims in southeast Asia as bad as the ones in the middle east? Maybe it's an Arab/Persian thing.
Yes in a place like Indonesia, no in a place like Malaysia.
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Are the Muslims in southeast Asia as bad as the ones in the middle east? Maybe it's an Arab/Persian thing.
I was good friends with a few from the UAE and they were completely normal and against the nonsense. They really didn`t believe in Islam either. The wealthier and more learned of course, the less extreme. The problem is most are not in that position (UAE excluded of course where everyone is pretty much wealthy) and resort to Extremism.
However, Extremists also control the government lock, stock and barrel in many Islam dominant countries.
Dictators like Saddam and Ghadaffi learned to keep the Extremism in a bit of a check. Saddam even had a Christian Vice-President which is supposed to be a huge no no taboo in Sharia Law. Dictators may be able to keep them in check, however it also breeds the contempt amongst the poor. And what does Mr. Dictator do, blame every other country for his countries woes, when in reality its his regime oppressing the people, and they eat it right up.
Its a difficult situation. All of it.
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I was good friends with a few from the UAE and they were completely normal and against the nonsense. They really didn`t believe in Islam either. The wealthier and more learned of course, the less extreme. The problem is most are not in that position (UAE excluded of course where everyone is pretty much wealthy) and resort to Extremism.
However, Extremists also control the government lock, stock and barrel in many Islam dominant countries.
Dictators like Saddam and Ghadaffi learned to keep the Extremism in a bit of a check. Saddam even had a Christian Vice-President which is supposed to be a huge no no taboo in Sharia Law. Dictators may be able to keep them in check, however it also breeds the contempt amongst the poor. And what does Mr. Dictator do, blame every other country for his countries woes, when in reality its his regime oppressing the people, and they eat it right up.
Its a difficult situation. All of it.
Mubarak never allowed the Muslim brotherhood to have any political power, and he had a zero tolerance policy on terrorism. If you ever even smelled like a terrorist they would haul your ass in to jail and make your life a living hell!
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Mubarak never allowed the Muslim brotherhood to have any political power, and he had a zero tolerance policy on terrorism. If you ever even smelled like a terrorist they would haul your ass in to jail and make your life a living hell!
Same with Saddam. Terrorists were their biggest rivals to their own power.
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Same with Saddam. Terrorists were their biggest rivals to their own power.
Big difference is; Mubarak did whatever the US wanted and this is why, til today, the US gives Egypt 1.55 Billion dollars in aid.
Saddam did things differently lol
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Where are the liberals and why are they not speaking up against the extremists?
1. They are outnumbered (the level of uneducated people who are extreme is far greater in these parts of the world than of those who are educated and are against this silliness.
2. They fear for their lives because if they speak up against the crazies they will be attacked and possibly killed. Trust me on this one, I've lived and worked in that part of the world.)
3. They leave their countries and assimilate/ keep a low profile in western countries (as me and my family have done) which is why you don't hear from them. You will only notice the crazies who don't want to integrate into western society.
The liberals who stand against this savagery exist in the Muslim world, they are not the majority, but they are there.
Oh absolutely. There are a few liberals...some who do speak out bravely.
Nevertheless i find it hard to believe that all those who blame everything on radical islamists and claim they are on the right path, educated and above all this are so heavily muzzled. All of them? Not one brave soul to take a stand for the religion of peace?
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I disagree. Leaving them alone will only allow them to fester and their numbers will swell. They need to be kept in check.
Kept in check?
You mean the way Obama is keeping them in check right now?
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The maelstrom of anti-western violence in the Arab world has little to do with an anti-Islam propaganda film released on YouTube.
It has more to do with decades of perceived western imperialism – and the organisational skills of the Salafis, known for their no-compromise, literal interpretation of the faith.
Such rightwing Islamists were wrongfooted by the Arab spring. For years, the jihadis and Salafis thought they had a monopoly on revolution and were the only viable opposition to the Arab dictators.
When the regimes were threatened by popular uprisings, the Salafis took weeks and months to respond. In Libya they initially called for the demonstrators to support the ruler of the land, Muammar Gaddafi. As it became clear that the revolutions would not instantly deliver the brighter future people had marched for, the Salafis began to use that discontent to their advantage.
They are brilliant at agitating on the streets – working on the unemployed, the frustrated, people who feel life should be better. In Tunis, the Salafi agitation began months before the propaganda film – the Innocence of Muslims – surfaced. They attacked cinemas, secularists and artists. In Bahrain and Syria they worked along sectarian lines, and in Egypt they launched vicious confrontations with the Coptic Christians.
In Libya, the Salafis have been systematically burning Sufi shrines and trashing Christian cemeteries, while the government has felt too weak to confront them. Some of the demonstrations – in Damascus, Khartoum and Tehran – will have been backed by the state.
Anti-western sentiment is rife in the Arab world. Germans, British, Danish – all are deemed guilty for the colonial crimes of the past and present. The US, of course, is perceived as the most arrogant of all, with 50 or more years of perceived bigotry, support for Israel at the expense of the Palestinians, sanctions on Iran and occupation of Iraq.
Barack Obama's Arab honeymoon was squandered by drone attacks on Pakistan and Yemen and his impotence over Israel. As Salman Rushdie wrote recently in the New Yorker about the people who led the fatwa against him: "As for the British Muslim 'leaders', whom, exactly, did they lead? They were leaders without followers, mountebanks trying to make careers out of her brother's misfortune. For a generation, the politics of ethnic minorities in Britain had been secular and socialist. This was the mosques' way of getting religion into the driver's seat."
So it is with the Salafis. Very few of the people setting fire to the German embassy in Khartoum, attacking the American school in Tunis or torching a KFC in Beirut will have even seen the Innocence of Muslims. If the prophet had really been insulted, you would see 100 million in the streets. Instead we only see a few thousand.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/14/embassy-attacks-salafis-jihadists?intcmp=239
Btw: Bush used to say and Obama keep repeating that USA is the world oldest democracy,
Can someone explain that to me? Democracy was created in Greece, i believe "i could googled .. but im not in a mood" until 60's or 70's blacks or women was not allowed to vote in USA... so?
Almost forgot, you vote on someone that will represent you, you still don't have the power to vote...where's your democracy?
You can not spread something you don't have.
Outside of Soccer ( which was invented in England), BJJ ( which really comes from Japan), the AIDS virus (Africa), shemales and massive huts built out of garbage, what does Brazil have again?
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Oh absolutely. There are a few liberals...some who do speak out bravely.
Nevertheless i find it hard to believe that all those who blame everything on radical islamists and claim they are on the right path, educated and above all this are so heavily muzzled. All of them? Not one brave soul to take a stand for the religion of peace?
I don't understand what you are saying there buddy, can you clarify?
I don't blame it on radical islamism, I blame it on lack of personal responsibility.... they want to blame it all on the west and on America, and they don't want to admit that they are in the wrong. Total bullshit
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Outside of Soccer ( which was invented in England), BJJ ( which really comes from Japan), the AIDS virus (Africa), shemales and massive huts built out of garbage, what does Brazil have again?
Brazil is a greasy giant pig fuck. Visit. Bang big titted whores. Leave. Quickly.
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If we are not careful, especially with a Muslim sympathizer in the White House like obama, we will be looking back at Arab Spring as the start of the next great war.
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I don't understand what you are saying there buddy, can you clarify?
I don't blame it on radical islamism, I blame it on lack of personal responsibility.... they want to blame it all on the west and on America, and they don't want to admit that they are in the wrong. Total bullshit
I get the fact that there are liberals out there but i'm sure there must be (hopefully) liberal mosques and leaders who do have the clout to stand up. Remember Ben Franklin? " We should hang together lest we hang separately". It would seem logical that the "real" muslims would not want to have their religion hijacked and have all muslims blacklisted as a result. All of them cant be muzzled can they?
I know a couple of muslims who have tried to speak out and have even approached the heads of their mosques to address this growing rift. They were told to stop making waves.
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If we are not careful, especially with a Muslim sympathizer in the White House like obama, we will be looking back at Arab Spring as the start of the next great war.
George bush jr courted arabs far more. His family has more interests in the middle east than Obama.
Prince Bandar is also known as Bandar-Bush.
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George bush courted arabs far more. His family has more interests in the middle east than Obama. Prince Bandar is also known as Bandar-Bush.
And what political office does George Bush currently hold?
Fucking brain dead liberals and their Bush crying towels. 50-something days to go and the Community Organizer will be gone. Not a fucking moment too soon.
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And what political office does George Bush currently hold?
Fucking brain dead liberals and their Bush crying towels. 50-something days to go and the Community Organizer will be gone. Not a fucking moment too soon.
Bush obama...same cogs in the machinery.
I dont waste my time with lib/con drivel.
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They do it for one reason OIL.
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Outside of Soccer ( which was invented in England), BJJ ( which really comes from Japan), the AIDS virus (Africa), shemales and massive huts built out of garbage, what does Brazil have again?
nothing
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Well the kid is an idiot. I'm an atheist myself but one must remember the saying "when in Rome" or in this case egypt. The kid is egyptian he should know what flies and what doesn't. He deserves whatever punishment he gets.
I also agree with bigAch. Nothing wrong with being ruled by a king or a "dictator". Democracy is not meant for everyone. Hell look at the USA, we had a great run but the country is quickly going down the shitter. Look at Saddam Hussein, we got rid of him why??? He kept Iraq under control, something the new govt and the help of NATO troops couldn't do.
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I think it's about time you go full metal jacket on their asses.
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Outside of Soccer ( which was invented in England), BJJ ( which really comes from Japan), the AIDS virus (Africa), shemales and massive huts built out of garbage, what does Brazil have again?
USA country built by immigrants...and you ask those questions? funny.
Guess you got butt hurt, sorry about that... here's a kiss :-* to make you feel better.
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I disagree. Leaving them alone will only allow them to fester and their numbers will swell. They need to be kept in check.
USA needs to pull the Zionist pole out of its ass, and then Muslims will not harsh hatred towards them. Give them the land back that was stolen and all would be well. I know this is a fantasy, as the Zionists control the USA.
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USA country built by immigrants...and you ask those questions? funny.
Guess you got butt hurt, sorry about that... here's a kiss :-* to make you feel better.
I dont understand what you're getting at here. Yes, America was founded by british settlers. Before there was just a bunch of savages there.
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politically correct liberals are sleep walking into a future of extremist muslim domination
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politically correct liberals are sleep walking into a future of extremist muslim domination
HAHAHA. Yes, muslims go around knocking on doors everyday asking if you want to be one. Listen man. they don't bother anyone outside of their borders about being muslims. They live their own lives and their own way. USA and Israel in particular who drives the USA keep stiring up shit there. I guess it's okay for the USA to bomb litteraly every ME country over the last twenty years and kill probably millions, and some group does the 9/11 attacks and the USA acts ignorant as to why they hate them.
I laugh when the media was saying that Americans are struggling to understand the senseless violence. HAHAHA. Americans can't understand sensless violence? They fucking invented it.
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HAHAHA. Yes, muslims go around knocking on doors everyday asking if you want to be one. Listen man. they don't bother anyone outside of their borders about being muslims. They live their own lives and their own way. USA and Israel in particular who drives the USA keep stiring up shit there. I guess it's okay for the USA to bomb litteraly every ME country over the last twenty years and kill probably millions, and some group does the 9/11 attacks and the USA acts ignorant as to why they hate them.
I laugh when the media was saying that Americans are struggling to understand the senseless violence. HAHAHA. Americans can't understand sensless violence? They fucking invented it.
they dont integrate
they exploit the freedom to express extreme views then riot when others mock their religion
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HAHAHA. Yes, muslims go around knocking on doors everyday asking if you want to be one. Listen man. they don't bother anyone outside of their borders about being muslims. They live their own lives and their own way. USA and Israel in particular who drives the USA keep stiring up shit there. I guess it's okay for the USA to bomb litteraly every ME country over the last twenty years and kill probably millions, and some group does the 9/11 attacks and the USA acts ignorant as to why they hate them.
I laugh when the media was saying that Americans are struggling to understand the senseless violence. HAHAHA. Americans can't understand sensless violence? They fucking invented it.
Muslim Extremist meltdown.
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they dont integrate
they exploit the freedom to express extreme views then riot when others mock their religion
You just described the chinese, vietnamese, russians etc... Do you think integration is when cities have china towns, or little russia, or little poland etc... most of the recent immigrants don't assimilate. They create their own little cultures.
The riots are stupid I agree. You know that some groups out there are stirring this shit up. Not like some tunisian was on youtube and happened to come across this video. People are purposely stirring shit up to start another war to make billions more.
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You just described the chinese, vietnamese, russians etc... Do you think integration is when cities have china towns, or little russia, or little poland etc... most of the recent immigrants don't assimilate. They create their own little cultures.
The riots are stupid I agree. You know that some groups out there are stirring this shit up. Not like some tunisian was on youtube and happened to come across this video. People are purposely stirring shit up to start another war to make billions more.
i think lack of integration is an issue across all the cultures you have described
most racism is based on fear or lack of knowledge
but i do have an issue with the extremism and fanatacism their is a large polish community in the uk but they dont walk onto buses and blow themselves up or form gangs to rape and abuse white teenage girls
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HAHAHA. Yes, muslims go around knocking on doors everyday asking if you want to be one. Listen man. they don't bother anyone outside of their borders about being muslims. They live their own lives and their own way. USA and Israel in particular who drives the USA keep stiring up shit there. I guess it's okay for the USA to bomb litteraly every ME country over the last twenty years and kill probably millions, and some group does the 9/11 attacks and the USA acts ignorant as to why they hate them.
I laugh when the media was saying that Americans are struggling to understand the senseless violence. HAHAHA. Americans can't understand sensless violence? They fucking invented it.
What a joke posting.
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I dont understand what you're getting at here. Yes, America was founded by british settlers. Before there was just a bunch of savages there.
Well! if i have to explain my point... i should not be talking to you.
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Repeat September 11th, USS Cole, World Trade Center Bombings, Embassy bombings ad infinitum and worse, spread their religious nonsense even more than it already is. This is why Ron Poop Paul was a moron. He fails to realize that Radical Islam is the World`s number one threat.
These people need to be checked and dealt with accordingly. If that means more Drone Strikes, then so be it.
You sound like a NEOCON...wtf
one day you are left of Bill Maher, now you sound like George Bush with this war on radical islam shit.
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You sound like a NEOCON...wtf
one day you are left of Bill Maher, now you sound like George Bush with this war on radical islam shit.
Any person who considers themselves rational should have this position. I am not subscribed to any ideology or any type of thinking that is narrow minded. I go strictly on Facts, Evidence and Rationality- Something that is overly lacking with Republicans and is sometimes known but not wanting to be believed by Democrats.
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Gangs have also been murdering homosexuals and seem to have government protection if not outright coordination of these activities.
When one the Ministers was interviewed he was unrepentant.
Of course, there are still also the Christians and Jews who are now being persecuted.
What Americans need to understand is that for these people 'Democracy' means Islam and Sharia Law, your government need to get this in their heads.
Now America and the West are backing the terrorists in Syria.
If the Syrian government falls you'll then have a bunch of relgious fanatics in charge with Al Qaeda backing with also have lots of powerful weapons.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/581635_302800409848803_556571014_n.jpg)
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Thats not the way it works. You let them grow and multiply, you have a problem on your hands. They don`t really destroy themselves as much as they wish to destroy Western Civilization in an attempt to restore the Caliphate.
Leaving them alone is disastrous. They should be driven as far to the cliff as possible with only two choices, surrender or jump.
Acting unfairly will only give them something to fight for and recruit more of them. We should focus on human rights in Islamic countries, such as freedom of speech, womans rights etc. And we should certainly not let us be subdued in our own countries, such as in the Salman Rushdie case and similar cases.
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So his "Muslim friend" dobbed him in. Pay attention folks.
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Acting unfairly will only give them something to fight for and recruit more of them. We should focus on human rights in Islamic countries, such as freedom of speech, womans rights etc. And we should certainly not let us be subdued in our own countries, such as in the Salman Rushdie case and similar cases.
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It's their country though.
Who has the right to tell them what they can or cannot do?
Why does America or the West have the right to tell them how they should run their countries?
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It's their country though.
Who has the right to tell them what they can or cannot do?
Why does America or the West have the right to tell them how they should run their countries?
Violations of human rights is no domestic matter. If children are mutilated in the name of religion, don't outsiders have a responsibility to do something?
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It's their country though.
Who has the right to tell them what they can or cannot do?
Why does America or the West have the right to tell them how they should run their countries?
Derrr, cause were the world police, remember? We have a moral obligation to make sure the rest of the world acts in a way that we approve of. (Or at least the countries that we have a vested interest in).
Murricaaaaaa!!
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Violations of human rights is no domestic matter. If children are mutilated in the name of religion, don't outsiders have a responsibility to do something?
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The only reason America ever interferes in other countries affairs is for its own geopolitical interests and then uses a humanitarian pretext or some kind of perceived threat to rally support from the local media and gullible population.
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In before Assmed claims this is not Islam... even tho they themselves say it is.
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These disgusting pieces of shit hate America and everything it stands for. I have no respect for them.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4LkF_mg8voI/TIlqJ27eOLI/AAAAAAAABLw/HcgIGMdmAbw/s1600/Supporters-of-religious-party-Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam-burn-a-U.S.-flag-to-protest-against-the-conviction-of-a-Pakistani-woman-by-a-U.S.-court-during-a-rally-Quetta-located-Pakistan-Baluchistan-Province-February-4-2010.jpg)
meanwhile:
Muslim agent Obama gives Egypt $450 million, Despite sequestration.
http://www.examiner.com/article/despite-sequestration-obama-gives-egypt-450-million
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I disagree. Leaving them alone will only allow them to fester and their numbers will swell. They need to be kept in check.
this whole "manifest destiny" on a global scale is not the direction that we should be going in.
Americans don't go for others telling us what to do, yet we feel a moral responsibility to stick in our nose into people's business.
The interesting part is that we only feel this moral obligation to countries militarily interior to us. China tells us to fuck off all the time and so does mother Russia.
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meanwhile:
Muslim agent Obama gives Egypt $450 million, Despite sequestration.
http://www.examiner.com/article/despite-sequestration-obama-gives-egypt-450-million
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/4a/a9/4aa9a27897ec972c8d8fa6268db85558.jpg?itok=qKnFiNtx)
The Romans used called that 'tribute', crates of cash that they used to give barbarians in order to placate them even though they were hostile and would openly threaten to invade the Roman Empire. While at the same time doing deals with them and exchanging hostages etc.
Not much has changed.
Though, the amounts were not considered large and it was not done out of weakness but rather to secure their own interests.