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He's been in politics for years... He started in the mail room a long time ago.

People in politics know politics and talk shit about things they really dont have a clue about.  This guy is the classic example of that. 

He has never even run a yard sale, but now we are led to believe by our dear Messiah that he can run GM???

Come on TU - you would not even hire this guy to run a car wash, let alone GM.

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Special Assistant to the President of National Economic Council.
Obama's right-hand man on the auto industry.

Sounds like a bright guy.

Do you have any alternatives?  Maybe we hire guys from GM to do it, so they can hand golden parachutes to all their friends?  No, this guy has zero hooks in him, unlike most of the fruitcups on Wall Street.   He crunches numbers and offers scenarios and solutions.  



You can suppose to know he's unqualified, but that means you must know more than Obama on this topic.  Do you?

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People in politics know politics and talk shit about things they really dont have a clue about.  This guy is the classic example of that. 

He has never even run a yard sale, but now we are led to believe by our dear Messiah that he can run GM???

Come on TU - you would not even hire this guy to run a car wash, let alone GM.

Possibly not... but I'm not hiring him, nor have I worked with or around him like Obama has.


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Ha ha.  This is great.  Has this guy ever:

1.  Met a payroll
2.  Designed a car
3.  Fixed a car
4.  Have an accounting degree
5.  Any experience in auto or union issues?
6.  Run a business
7.  Held an executive position in any company
8.  Run an organization
9.   Know bankruptcy laws
10.  owned a car


By your defintion a kid who scores high on a SAT is qualified for this job.   This is pure insanity at its best.   

I agree.  Some kid fresh out of school with little or no life experience should NOT be given this kind of responsibility.  Crazy.  

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Research assistant then policy analyst.  
Special Assistant to the President of National Economic Council.
Obama's right-hand man on the auto industry.

Sounds like a bright guy.

Do you have any alternatives?  Maybe we hire guys from GM to do it, so they can hand golden parachutes to all their friends?  No, this guy has zero hooks in him, unlike most of the fruitcups on Wall Street.   He crunches numbers and offers scenarios and solutions.  



You can suppose to know he's unqualified, but that means you must know more than Obama on this topic.  Do you?


240 - thank you for your post.  You perfectly demonstrated why we have ZERO as President.  

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He has never even run a yard sale, but now we are led to believe by our dear Messiah that he can run GM???


He wrote the auto bailout plan, and rallied for it when everyone else was shitting on it.  He knows it inside and out, as well as all the raminifcations of a pass/fail on the auto industry, which many here can't grasp.

This man has trumpeted from Day 1 the need to cut up GM and control it's assets, and said that bankruptcy was inevitable.  He was right.

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Possibly not... but I'm not hiring him, nor have I worked with or around him like Obama has.



Yes you have hired him!!!!   Your the taxpayer and this guy is getting hired and paid by your taxes.  

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He wrote the auto bailout plan, and rallied for it when everyone else was shitting on it.  He knows it inside and out, as well as all the raminifcations of a pass/fail on the auto industry, which many here can't grasp.

This man has trumpeted from Day 1 the need to cut up GM and control it's assets, and said that bankruptcy was inevitable.  He was right.

OMG - are you serious???? 

This guy is the one behind the lies??? 

I thought bankruptcy was not an option in September 2008 when this jerk was coming up wirth this????

This little punk literally cost the taxpayer 30 billion of unnecessary $$$$.

He is already a failure. 

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Yes you have hired him!!!!   Your the taxpayer and this guy is getting hired and paid by your taxes.  

So I'm going to have to let him do the job.

Again... As 240 mentioned... The guy was right when everyone else (including the GM leaders) said they didn't have to file for bankruptcy... So who's the smart one?

You mentioned that the 30 billion was unnecessary... Had they not gotten it, they would have been sold to a foreign entity and our manufacturing would be DONE. Is that what you want?

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So I'm going to have to let him do the job.

Again... As 240 mentioned... The guy was right when everyone else (including the GM leaders) said they didn't have to file for bankruptcy... So who's the smart one?

You mentioned that the 30 billion was unnecessary... Had they not gotten it, they would have been sold to a foreign entity and our manufacturing would be DONE. Is that what you want?

Come on TU - the govt and GM was lying and everyone knew they had to go bankrupt.  They simply said that to stall the situation and get more $$$$ out of the idiots taxpayer and payoff the unions. 

Anyone with a brain knows that.   

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Come on TU - the govt and GM was lying and everyone knew they had to go bankrupt.  They simply said that to stall the situation and get more $$$$ out of the idiots taxpayer and payoff the unions. 

Anyone with a brain knows that.   

They couldn't just let them collapse at the time... They had to do it gracefully to make sure it stayed in the US man.

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They couldn't just let them collapse at the time... They had to do it gracefully to make sure it stayed in the US man.

Correct.

333386 likes the idea of 4 million americans losing their jobs in a single month.  Lots of additional work in the collections field.  Plus he is thirsty for gun battles and looks fwd to increased crime and poverty in the USA.


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Correct.

333386 likes the idea of 4 million americans losing their jobs in a single month.  Lots of additional work in the collections field.  Plus he is thirsty for gun battles and looks fwd to increased crime and poverty in the USA.



We are heading there anyway as far as UE goes.   

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With our Federal Govt. owning 70% of GM, this can be nothing less than an utter disaster.

The French failed at it.

The British failed in grand fashion with British-Leyland.

The U.S. w/ G.M. will be the next name etched into the gravestone of industrial policy.

And it will be laid totally at the feet of Barack H. Obama.

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With our Federal Govt. owning 70% of GM, this can be nothing less than an utter disaster.

The French failed at it.

The British failed in grand fashion with British-Leyland.

The U.S. w/ G.M. will be the next name etched into the gravestone of industrial policy.

And it will be laid totally at the feet of Barack H. Obama.

Not exactly the same. The US government's goal is not to get into the car business, but to stabilize the economy and get the hell out of the car business.


This dude is ONE of several members on the task force and more experienced members make the most important decisions. In that sense, the headline is misleading. Just reading the article, it's evident that the reason he's become so influential is because he is a bright guy with a solid understanding economics and policy. 31 is young, but some guys are just phenoms.

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Not exactly the same. The US government's goal is not to get into the car business, but to stabilize the economy and get the hell out of the car business.


This dude is ONE of several members on the task force and more experienced members make the most important decisions. In that sense, the headline is misleading. Just reading the article, it's evident that the reason he's become so influential is because he is a bright guy with a solid understanding economics and policy. 31 is young, but some guys are just phenoms.

Hysterical.  Just like Turbo Tim right????

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Not exactly the same. The US government's goal is not to get into the car business, but to stabilize the economy and get the hell out of the car business.


This dude is ONE of several members on the task force and more experienced members make the most important decisions. In that sense, the headline is misleading. Just reading the article, it's evident that the reason he's become so influential is because he is a bright guy with a solid understanding economics and policy. 31 is young, but some guys are just phenoms.

Believe me, I know what this scenario entails, the govt. did something remotely similar with a gigantic rail company a few decades ago and it eventually was bought by another US rail corp. and is now CSX. This would be the dream end to it all.

But you can't tell me that you aren't worried that there is going to be all sorts of meddling and politicking and outright control by the govt. during its tenure as the majority shareholder. I know that BK was inevitable, it has been the endgame for several years and that the govt. loans were to allow GM to get their house in order in prep. for a BK.

But this whole scenario smells real bad to me. GM will need a U.S. total auto market at over 10 million units to break even, the total market is around 9 million right now, I believe. They will also need to sell a lot of vehicles as well. How will they meet this goal if they are cutting 1/2 their divisions, bad press, a well publicized BK and the shedding or relinquishing of Opel and the like? I remember reading in the WSJ and I believe Bloomberg or something that it was going to be a long shot to become profitable and that they have given up so much sales through bad press and cutting of production/divisions and the actual car market being crap that it really isn't all that probable that it could happen. Plus Ford is already gearing up production to fill the void left be GM.

I want it to work and I would love to believe that the U.S. Govt. means what it says about getting out ASAP, but  all the real Lefties and Socialist boyscout's in the vicinity of this can't wait to get their grubby little hands on this pet project. It just gives me a REAL bad feeling.

Of course CEO Obama said "If all goes according to plan" they should become profitable in the future....So nothing to worry about, nothing at all.

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I guess my question to this is, what difference does his age make? He's obviously a smart and talented guy...

Are you sure you're just not hating on smart people?

I'm just trying to figure out where the story is really.

I got a Masters at a much harder trade than GM, I owned a business, I come from a family that founded companies and dealt with the stock market and management issues daily I have been around that shit all of my life and I can go on....all of this still doesn't means I have even 1%  of the skills necessary for such a mammoth task.

Being smart and talented is great but there are people who are just as smart and talented and actually know what to do and been there and in similar situations.

Putting some newbie on this is absurd....Obama is an idiot....

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I got a Masters at a much harder trade than GM, I owned a business, I come from a family that founded companies and dealt with the stock market and management issues daily I have been around that shit all of my life and I can go on....all of this still doesn't means I have even 1%  of the skills necessary for such a mammoth task.

Being smart and talented is great but there are people who are just as smart and talented and actually know what to do and been there and in similar situations.

Putting some newbie on this is absurd....Obama is an idiot....


If you have a Masters "from a much harder trade than GM", you've owned a business and come from a family with a strong business background, why would you believe that you don't even have 1% of the skills necessary to join a task force to downsize and liquidate a corporation? Yes, it's a large corporation, but at its core, the task is basically crunching numbers and trimming the fat. These old dudes who run large corporations aren't superhuman machines with advanced skillsets in management, engineering, accounting, and operating production machinery.They are just men who went to good schools and usually start in pretty cushy positions.

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If you have a Masters "from a much harder trade than GM", you've owned a business and come from a family with a strong business background, why would you believe that you don't even have 1% of the skills necessary to join a task force to downsize and liquidate a corporation? Yes, it's a large corporation, but at its core, the task is basically crunching numbers and trimming the fat. These old dudes who run large corporations aren't superhuman machines with advanced skillsets in management, engineering, accounting, and operating production machinery.They are just men who went to good schools and usually start in pretty cushy positions.

My Masters is at a harder trade that law , I was referring to the 31 year old education.

I think that way because GM is a company with 250K employees with a world wide market , it's unbelievably complex.
I might be talented enough but I'm not experienced enough, don't under estimate experience.


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Ha ha.  This is great.  Has this guy ever:

1.  Met a payroll
2.  Designed a car
3.  Fixed a car
4.  Have an accounting degree
5.  Any experience in auto or union issues?
6.  Run a business
7.  Held an executive position in any company
8.  Run an organization
9.   Know bankruptcy laws
10.  owned a car


By your defintion a kid who scores high on a SAT is qualified for this job.   This is pure insanity at its best.   

A kid with a high SAT score? No. This guy was at Yale Law School. Yale Law and the SATs are two entirely different beasts.

Maybe an outsider with a different set of skills is what that shitty company needs.

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The new boss at Old GM

by Patricia Sellers

You might call Al Koch the world’s biggest trash collector. As bankrupt General Motors (GM) splits into two parts — New GM, containing Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick, and GMC, and Old GM, containing designated bad assets such as Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer, Saab — Koch is the hired gun who’s supposed to create value from that latter lot.

Bringing “New GM” out of bankruptcy will be difficult enough. Why would anyone take the tougher slog at “Old GM”?

This is what Koch does — the toughest turnarounds. He’s vice chairman at restructuring consultancy AlixPartners, which works on saving sick comapnies globally but has been a Detroit mainstay for decades. AlixPartners’ clients have included DeLorean’s creditors in 1984, Detroit (the city itself) in 1994, and Kmart in 2002.

Koch, now 67 and a 14-year veteran of the firm, has served as interim CEO of crippled companies such as video-game distributor Handleman (HDLM) and manufactured-home builder Champion Enterprises (CHB). But his most memorable job was at Kmart in 2002. Kmart was the largest retail restructuring in history and, as it turned out, one of AlixPartner’s big successes.

As Kmart’s interim CFO through its bankruptcy, Koch got lucky. When I interviewed him in late 2005 for a story about investor Eddie Lampert, he said that he and his restructuring-expert colleagues had never heard of this young investor who had swooped in and bought Kmart bonds at 40 cents on the dollar. “To most people, Kmart looked like a pile of trash,” Koch said. “We were told that this hedge fund guy had bought a huge portion of Kmart and wanted to get it out of bankruptcy fast.”

Lampert pressed Koch and the other restructuring pros, who were earning $10-20 million a month during Kmart’s bankruptcy, to exit Chapter 11 quickly. Lampert argued that neither customers nor management talent would be attracted to a bankrupt Kmart. The company emerged from bankruptcy in May 2003, a year ahead of schedule. Lampert, who had invested some $800 million for a 54% ownership stake, merged Kmart with Sears two years later to form Sears Holdings (SHLD).

Old GM won’t be as smooth or as quick as Kmart was. As my colleague Alex Taylor notes, “new GM” will have an incentive — from the U.S. government, new owner of a 60% stake –  to exit Chapter 11 rapidly, possibly in 60 to 90 days. The Old GM restructuring, meanwhile, could take years.

As Old GM’s chief restructuring officer, Koch will be negotating separation agreements with New GM and commandeering efforts to unload or liquidate those dud brands such as Saturn and Hummer.

His influence could turn out to be broader than his marching orders designate. After all, he’s worked with GM several times over the years. These past few months, he’s helped negotiate the sale of New GM assets to the government. Now he’s reporting to CEO Fritz Henderson and to GM’s board as well. As a guy who lives and dies by finding value in junk, Koch surely won’t take his shot at making history lightly.

http://postcards.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/06/01/the-new-boss-at-old-gm/


Looks like it's Koch running the real show anyway.

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LOL I CALLED THAT GM WOULD GO INTO BANKRUPTCY TOO WHEN DO I GET A HIGH PAYING GOVERNMENT JOB  :D

in all seriousness guys this isnt about ppl showing that he isnt capable, this is about him showing that he is. You dont go into a job interview and go tell me why i shouldnt get this job you go in and tell them why you should get the job.

If he is one of the ppl who put together a bail out plan while saying that bankruptcy was enevitable should he really be given this position...he basically knowingly just wasted billions of tax payer money...

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LOL I CALLED THAT GM WOULD GO INTO BANKRUPTCY TOO WHEN DO I GET A HIGH PAYING GOVERNMENT JOB  :D

in all seriousness guys this isnt about ppl showing that he isnt capable, this is about him showing that he is. You dont go into a job interview and go tell me why i shouldnt get this job you go in and tell them why you should get the job.

If he is one of the ppl who put together a bail out plan while saying that bankruptcy was enevitable should he really be given this position...he basically knowingly just wasted billions of tax payer money...

No Tony... He knowingly kept a foreign entity from coming in and buying out GM and taking the last of US manufacturing overseas.

I'm surprised you guys don't see that in the long run, 30 billion dollars is a small price to pay to continue to receive money from that manufacturer over the rest of time, instead of it getting bought by another company and us losing what little manufacturing money we have left.

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The new boss at Old GM

by Patricia Sellers

You might call Al Koch the world’s biggest trash collector. As bankrupt General Motors (GM) splits into two parts — New GM, containing Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick, and GMC, and Old GM, containing designated bad assets such as Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer, Saab — Koch is the hired gun who’s supposed to create value from that latter lot.

Bringing “New GM” out of bankruptcy will be difficult enough. Why would anyone take the tougher slog at “Old GM”?

This is what Koch does — the toughest turnarounds. He’s vice chairman at restructuring consultancy AlixPartners, which works on saving sick comapnies globally but has been a Detroit mainstay for decades. AlixPartners’ clients have included DeLorean’s creditors in 1984, Detroit (the city itself) in 1994, and Kmart in 2002.

Koch, now 67 and a 14-year veteran of the firm, has served as interim CEO of crippled companies such as video-game distributor Handleman (HDLM) and manufactured-home builder Champion Enterprises (CHB). But his most memorable job was at Kmart in 2002. Kmart was the largest retail restructuring in history and, as it turned out, one of AlixPartner’s big successes.

As Kmart’s interim CFO through its bankruptcy, Koch got lucky. When I interviewed him in late 2005 for a story about investor Eddie Lampert, he said that he and his restructuring-expert colleagues had never heard of this young investor who had swooped in and bought Kmart bonds at 40 cents on the dollar. “To most people, Kmart looked like a pile of trash,” Koch said. “We were told that this hedge fund guy had bought a huge portion of Kmart and wanted to get it out of bankruptcy fast.”

Lampert pressed Koch and the other restructuring pros, who were earning $10-20 million a month during Kmart’s bankruptcy, to exit Chapter 11 quickly. Lampert argued that neither customers nor management talent would be attracted to a bankrupt Kmart. The company emerged from bankruptcy in May 2003, a year ahead of schedule. Lampert, who had invested some $800 million for a 54% ownership stake, merged Kmart with Sears two years later to form Sears Holdings (SHLD).

Old GM won’t be as smooth or as quick as Kmart was. As my colleague Alex Taylor notes, “new GM” will have an incentive — from the U.S. government, new owner of a 60% stake –  to exit Chapter 11 rapidly, possibly in 60 to 90 days. The Old GM restructuring, meanwhile, could take years.

As Old GM’s chief restructuring officer, Koch will be negotating separation agreements with New GM and commandeering efforts to unload or liquidate those dud brands such as Saturn and Hummer.

His influence could turn out to be broader than his marching orders designate. After all, he’s worked with GM several times over the years. These past few months, he’s helped negotiate the sale of New GM assets to the government. Now he’s reporting to CEO Fritz Henderson and to GM’s board as well. As a guy who lives and dies by finding value in junk, Koch surely won’t take his shot at making history lightly.

http://postcards.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/06/01/the-new-boss-at-old-gm/


Looks like it's Koch running the real show anyway.


This article is about the two new divisions of GM and it sounds like Koch will run the component that is not owned by the government. However, you are right that Deese isn't running the show; that much is made clear in the NY Times article.

This article also brings up a point I deleted from my last post: failing companies are restructured all the time. More often than not, these companies are restructured by people who are not experts in the field in which those companies operate.  Just reading the article in the opening post, it's pretty evident that Deese's job has more to do with policy than the minutiae of restructuring.