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what causes a muscle to grow from training
why are we here
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what causes a muscle to grow from training
why are we here
u want to pump for the girls thats what ur chasing ,,,
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A pump makes your muscles bigger for an hour. Breaking down muscle fibres causes hypertrophy. Wether or not you have a pump has nothing to do with how much muscle fibres you have broken down.
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A pump makes your muscles bigger for an hour. Breaking down muscle tissue causes hypertrophy.
can you break down muscle tissue more effectively with striking the muscle with a barbell?
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can you break down muscle tissue more effectively with striking the muscle with a barbell?
No you will just tear tendons and get muscle contusions.
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No you will just tear tendons and get muscle contusions.
so how many sets are optimal? the more the better? more damage
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so how many sets are optimal? the more the better? more damage
Yes train until total failure If you don't get fed up.
When you have to lift lighter to continue getting your target 8 reps you have hit failure.
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Yes train until total failure If you don't get fed up.
When you have to lift lighter to continue getting your target 8 reps you have hit failure.
interesting
what is your stance on "not locking out joints to save wear and tear on the joints and keep the tension"
it allows you to work with a lot less weight
which maybe less effective
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interesting
what is your stance on "not locking out joints to save wear and tear on the joints and keep the tension"
it allows you to work with a lot less weight
which maybe less effective
If you are natural your joints will be strong enough to take the locking out. Constant tension does not build muscle. Holding heavy shopping bags doesn't cause optimal hypertrophy, it is the contraction that breaks the fibres, if relieving the tension for a moment by locking out allows you to get a stronger contraction then lock out.
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If you are natural your joints will be strong enough to take the locking out. Constant tension does not build muscle. Holding heavy shopping bags doesn't cause hypertrophy, it is the contraction that breaks the fibres, if relieving the tension for a moment by locking out allows you to get a stronger contraction then lock out.
i always instinctively believed what you said
but bodybuilding trainers and bdybuilders claim other wise
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on gear , yes,ofc.
dont knwo why or what , but its true.
good pump, go home and eat your diet and will grow.
the main difference between natural and juiced training is precisely the insane pumps you get on gear.
so,its safe to say it has something to do with the pump.
if it didnt, naturals would all be monsters, instead of skeletons like "method101"
it's weird tho
the pump
mysteries of bb
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i always instinctively believed what you said
but bodybuilding trainers and bdybuilders claim other wise
They always try to make retarded claims on how they have changed their training methods to justify how they gained 20lbs of mass in a single year because they can't be honest and say they upped the dosage, which is why you get a lot of bullshit like this going around.
If tension is the most important factor in hypertrophy then go do some shopping instead of training.
A pump is simply blood in the muscle delivering nutrients, it has fuck all to do with stimulating growth which comes in response to broken down fibres.
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They always try to make retarded claims on how they have changed their training methods to justify how they gained 20lbs of mass in a single year because they can't be honest and say they upped the dosage, which is why you get a lot of bullshit like this going around.
If tension is the most important factor in hypertrophy then go do some shopping instead of training.
true...
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i think we are on to something here........
i remember a thread online about a delusional natural with broken dreams
he had squatted hardcore, had already big legs; but then he managed to add 100lbs to his squat over a year or something like that
and his legs looked exactly the same
he was puzzled
"progressive resistance they said....squat heavier and grow bigger they said...why am i still the same"
the whole thing was weird and interesting
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i think we are on to something here........
i remember a thread online about a delusional natural with broken dreams
he had squatted hardcore, had already big legs; but then he managed to add 100lbs to his squat over a year or something like that
and his legs looked exactly the same
he was puzzled
"progressive resistance they said....squat heavier and grow bigger they said...why am i still the same"
the whole thing was weird and interesting
Bullshit, If you add 100lbs to your squat your leg muscles will have gotten bigger end of discussion.
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Bullshit, If you add 100lbs to your squat your leg muscles will have gotten bigger end of discussion.
that's what everybody said
he had pics to prove
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wes said the same thing on heavy lifting ;D
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the pump happens because your muscle is filling with blood because your using it...... it is a good indication your actually working the muscle......get a pump then rep till failure
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It mattered to every single NPC amateur and every single IFBB pro I every knew, and I knew 100's.
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It mattered to every single NPC amateur and every single IFBB pro I every knew, and I knew 100's.
TommyWishedtobeBoned is quite the connoisseur of bodybuilding cock. This man has been in many hotel beds.
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yes, simple as that.
ofc there needs to be some weight lifted, but yeah, its quite lenient on steroids.
lol at the naturals trying for years to improve their bench by 10lbs, even though itll do fuck fuck all in the end anyway ;D
yeah
it's sad
i was one of them for so long
if not for the steroids boards online, i'd still believe all that crap :-\
"oh but stuart mcrobert, the author of hardgainer said you can reach 315 bench for a few reps, and if yu can do that you MUST be big...also stuart did 20 reps 405lbs deadlift naturall"
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TommyWishedtobeBoned is quite the connoisseur of bodybuilding cock. This man has been in many hotel beds.
;D hahaha
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yeah
it's sad
i was one of them for so long
if not for the steroids boards online, i'd still believe all that crap :-\
"oh but stuart mcrobert, the author of hardgainer said you can reach 315 bench for a few reps, and if yu can do that you MUST be big...also stuart did 20 reps 405lbs deadlift naturall"
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strength is a bad indicator of size, strong muscles tend to be flatter.....
315 is what 3 plates that is strong for the untrained but average for a trained person.....
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so must one avoid to get too strong so that the muscles will not get flat?
serious question
ocd kicking in
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so must one avoid to get too strong so that the muscles will not get flat?
serious question
ocd kicking in
lifting as much as you can for a few reps (<5) flattens your muscles in my experience. The idea is to build volume and dimension into your muscles.
let me give you an example, a few years ago i could bench 3 plates for a four while i was training with the mentality of heavier is better but i stopped growing, i dropped to 2 plates and made the lift difficult for myself by slowing it down etc and started growing again..... maxing out weight wise is worthless in my opinion
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Bullshit, If you add 100lbs to your squat your leg muscles will have gotten bigger end of discussion.
Nope, one does not follow the other, if it did then you could keep growing bigger indefinitely.
Your muscles have no idea what weight you are lifting, they just know how intensely they are working.
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I remember Mike Mentzer making a good point about this, he said drop down and do a couple sets of 50 push ups and you'll have a terrific pump in your chest, shoulders and even tris a bit, but you think you would ever maximize muscle development with 2 sets of push ups?!?
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what causes a muscle to grow from training
why are we here
Climbers often talk about getting "pumped" in the forearms. Most of them have a quite slender build.
NN
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I remember Mike Mentzer making a good point about this, he said drop down and do a couple sets of 50 push ups and you'll have a terrific pump in your chest, shoulders and even tris a bit, but you think you would ever maximize muscle development with 2 sets of push ups?!?
Yes, and he was telling that to a room of juiced up bodybuilders.
Anyone clean and just starting training don't get "terrific pumps" through push ups, its because they dont have much muscle to start with.
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I remember Mike Mentzer making a good point about this, he said drop down and do a couple sets of 50 push ups and you'll have a terrific pump in your chest, shoulders and even tris a bit, but you think you would ever maximize muscle development with 2 sets of push ups?!?
lol like i have the stamina to just drop down and do 50 pushups
mike mentzer was a roided clown he could do 50 no problem cause of roids
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mike mentzer was a roided clown
lol
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mike mentzer was a roided clown he could do 50 no problem cause of roids
I bet he couldnt, he would blow up like a balloon and gas out.
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Why not just do all of it?
Train with Heavy Weights, Train with lighter weights and less rest and train to failure.
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Why not just do all of it?
Train with Heavy Weights, Train with lighter weights and less rest and train to failure.
i agree
you can probably slightly tune your muscles for more speed or for more power
so train all aspects , the "hypertrophic" look comes from having that gym pump
you always look like shit in the morning unless your super cut up.. most people are probably at there limits anyways, its rather sad because we dont want to accept that. but doesnt mean we should off ourselves or take steroids for fake gaynes
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i think we are on to something here........
i remember a thread online about a delusional natural with broken dreams
he had squatted hardcore, had already big legs; but then he managed to add 100lbs to his squat over a year or something like that
and his legs looked exactly the same
he was puzzled
"progressive resistance they said....squat heavier and grow bigger they said...why am i still the same"
the whole thing was weird and interesting
if that guy did singles to get there i believe it
if he went from squatting 315x10 to 415x10 and he says his legs looked the same hes full of shit
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yeah,that covers all,then one can figure out for themselves which one is best for him.
lol at mentzer ::)
lol at pushups and climber comparo.
jesus wept
You seem to have the all or nothing mentality. How hard is it at the end of your Heavy Day to do 10 sets of light pumping weight to failure on the exercises you previously did the Heavy weight with?
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if that guy did singles to get there i believe it
if he went from squatting 315x10 to 415x10 and he says his legs looked the same hes full of shit
No he isn`t. There are too many variables. He could have gained more stability in his back, improved his form, strengthened tendons which may not be visible at all on his legs.
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if he went from squatting 315x10 to 415x10 and he says his legs looked the same hes full of shit
Not really, I have seen guys get stronger without getting bigger, its down to tendon and fibre strength, bodybuilding has nothing to do with being strong, you can be a bodybuilder lifting small weights.
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galeniko, why are you here instead of out banging broads?
Is it your time of the month? :)
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No he isn`t. There are too many variables. He could have gained more stability in his back, improved his form, strengthened tendons which may not be visible at all on his legs.
strength =/= mass but at some point greater tension (in this case an extreme jump in tension) is going to illicit growth in the legs
tendon strength/form/back stability isnt going to give you a 100lb jump in a 10RM while avoiding any muscle gain in the legs
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strength =/= mass but at some point greater tension (in this case an extreme jump in tension) is going to illicit growth in the legs
tendon strength/form/back stability isnt going to give you a 100lb jump in a 10RM while avoiding any muscle gain in the legs
No it doesn`t. There are Pro Bodybuilders (juiced and lifetime natural) who can`t do what this kid is doing here- Front squat with 405 and 415, but have much better legs.
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again, i said for reps which is why i used 10 rep maxes as my example
i believe it when it comes to singles
a guy that goes from a 400 squat to a 500 squat by doing the majority of his work in the 1-3 rep range will look vastly different than the guy that got there by lifting in the 10-15 rep range
lifting bigger weights for reps over time = bigger you, which is why any pro worth a shit has done so or had the capacity to do so at one point.
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No it doesn`t. There are Pro Bodybuilders (juiced and lifetime natural) who can`t do what this kid is doing here- Front squat with 405 and 415, but have much better legs.
Strong hamstrings as well, he did it again hanging from the ceiling. ;D
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Here is another, granted he could be going down a bit further, but here stick legs is doing 405 for 20.
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Here is stick arms doing a power clean with 315 for 6. I can`t do that. Galeniko can`t do that. Everyone on this thread who posted can`t do that, but there are plenty of people on this thread with better arms and upper body then stick man.
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nono,adam, you misunderstood me, i do train in all variations,within a workout.some heavy some light,some medium.
i agreed with you,lol.
the second part of the post wasnt directed at you
Ahh I see, sorry about that my friend.
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hell,if i tried that,my body and skeleton would break in some many places unknown even to the best doctors ;D
Yet you carry way more muscle than this kid in all areas. Interesting how that works, isn`t it. A lot of these morons want everyone to believe that because X amount of weight is lifted, then you will be Y size.
Not the case at all. My bench press is not great at all, but I have a better chest than a lot of people doing 100 lbs more than I do.
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Check out the guy at 57 seconds
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405 for 26 here. Why doesn`t he have Platz legs? ??? :D
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Here is another, granted he could be going down a bit further, but here stick legs is doing 405 for 20.
[youtube]AkvqoOHc7BQ/youtube]
and how often does he do 20RM's?
The guy is 6'5 252 and runs a 4.57 40 according to his profile. I'm guessing the majority of his work is done in the low rep ranges for power since hes a tight end in college.
like i said before, the guy that boosts his squat doing the majority of his work in power ranges will look a lot different than the bodybuilder that got to the same strength level by doing sets of 10,12,15 etc
increasing tension for reps over time = a bigger you
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405 for 26 here. Why doesn`t he have Platz legs? ??? :D
you serious?
same guy
andy ruse...tiny quads lol
built his squat through dc training and 20 rep sets
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and how often does he do 20RM's?
The guy is 6'5 252 and runs a 4.57 40 according to his profile. I'm guessing the majority of his work is done in the low rep ranges for power since hes a tight end in college.
like i said before, the guy that boosts his squat doing the majority of his work in power ranges will look a lot different than the bodybuilder that got to the same strength level by doing sets of 10,12,15 etc
increasing tension for reps over time = a bigger you
;)
Galeniko`s legs PWN this shit out of this guy, yet one of them is doing 405 for 26- something he does frequently as heard in the video- and its not Galeniko in the video. :D
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I personally think people who respond to low weights have much better genetics then the ones who have to continually lift heavy to see any result.
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Galeniko`s legs PWN this shit out of this guy, yet one of them is doing 405 for 26- something he does frequently as heard in the video- and its not Galeniko in the video. :D
[youtube]_PJf6-F4WZU/youtube]
those are all good examples.even if that guy got lean,hed still have shit legs.
yea great example
probably the worst example you couldve picked from the PL community actually
blenderate/andy was known for his quads
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Do these legs looks like those of someone who can squat over 600 lbs for reps with no wraps or suit or anything?
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k72/str8flexed/Pec%20Tear%20Comeback/P1060836-1.jpg)
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k72/str8flexed/Pec%20Tear%20Comeback/P1060846-1.jpg)
Well they are capable of that.
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Here is whom they belong to:
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2010/layne_norton_comeback_3_h.jpg)
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could already tell they were laynes by the god awful insertions
also notice how he never goes over 5 reps in a video...moot point here with insertions like that though. they'll grow but always look ugly
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could already tell they were laynes by the god awful insertions
also notice how he never goes over 5 reps in a video...moot point here with insertions like that though. they'll grow but always look ugly
Are you stronger than Layne? Can you do more weight than him for 20 reps?
I bet the answer is no to both of those.
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Are you stronger than Layne? Can you do more weight than him for 20 reps?
I bet the answer is no to both of those.
no but my point stands again, his leg is physically large and grew as he got stronger, but looks horrible because of his insertions
his leg is 3 inches bigger than this guys (his former client):
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m43u54OcXe1rn8b4q.jpg)
(http://img.youtube.com/vi/uWuLgDKDA44/0.jpg)
but looks much less impressive because of his vastus lateralis insertion etc
(http://www.drdarden.com/forum_images/7b272-quads12.jpg)
really at the end of the day your bellies and insertions determine everything...even if layne lifted light or whatever his legs would look terrible
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no but my point stands again, his leg is physically large and grew as he got stronger, but looks horrible because of his insertions
his leg is 3 inches bigger than this guys (his former client):
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m43u54OcXe1rn8b4q.jpg)
(http://img.youtube.com/vi/uWuLgDKDA44/0.jpg)
but looks much less impressive because of his vastus lateralis insertion etc
(http://www.drdarden.com/forum_images/7b272-quads12.jpg)
really at the end of the day your bellies and insertions determine everything...even if layne lifted light or whatever his legs would look terrible
So what you are saying is that weight doesn`t really matter then and its all relative to the individual? Why are you arguing with Galeniko and I then?
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TommyWishedtobeBoned is quite the connoisseur of bodybuilding cock. This man has been in many hotel beds.
rofl
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So what you are saying is that weight doesn`t really matter then and its all relative to the individual? Why are you arguing with Galeniko and I then?
whether it looks pleasing or not is relative to the individual
my views are what is required to max your genetic potential if you're looking for maximum size within your own limits. laynes quads look ugly but he did get bigger
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leg wise and strength wise in my case match,,but i can't squat what layne does nor would i want to,,,465 for 4 i've done ,,405 is my usual for 8.
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Are you stronger than Layne? Can you do more weight than him for 20 reps?
I bet the answer is no to both of those.
Not since he upped the dose, I did 500 x 8 at best , but I think now he does 600 for reps.? I honestly don't know why he does small-penis super heavy training if he wants to get bigger but it clearly isn't working for size. I'm amazed he hasn't destroyed his lower back
Lol at all his drone followers on bb com who buy into this training despite obvious evidence it is shit for size for so called naturals
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All high reps and feeling the muscle
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lifting as much as you can for a few reps (<5) flattens your muscles in my experience. The idea is to build volume and dimension into your muscles.
let me give you an example, a few years ago i could bench 3 plates for a four while i was training with the mentality of heavier is better but i stopped growing, i dropped to 2 plates and made the lift difficult for myself by slowing it down etc and started growing again..... maxing out weight wise is worthless in my opinion
amazing story
learned something new
thanks
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lol like i have the stamina to just drop down and do 50 pushups
mike mentzer was a roided clown he could do 50 no problem cause of roids
without training pushups i can generally pump out 40 or so with good form if i try it
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All high reps and feeling the muscle
Strip that guys fat off and he will have 15 inch arms at the most.
Granted he has large thighs but hes around 25% bodyfat.
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All high reps and feeling the muscle
upper body is complete shit
strip off all that fat and what is left of it
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No it doesn`t. There are Pro Bodybuilders (juiced and lifetime natural) who can`t do what this kid is doing here- Front squat with 405 and 415, but have much better legs.
405 for a single?
you thinkj pros cant do that
bahaha i dont think so
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Jay Cutler trying to educate the ignorant kids but they seem not to hear it
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yes, simple as that.
ofc there needs to be some weight lifted, but yeah, its quite lenient on steroids.
lol at the naturals trying for years to improve their bench by 10lbs, even though itll do fuck fuck all in the end anyway ;D
Not all naturals have problems improving.. I'm improve every year
It all depends on genetics some people try to push a round peg in a square hole.
If I had to try for years to make improvements I'd choose another hobby one which I was genetically predisposed to excel in.
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What about jason huh saying that it's not about half reps,quarter reps etc,its all about constant tension..and it seems to work with him....
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Nope, one does not follow the other, if it did then you could keep growing bigger indefinitely.
Your muscles have no idea what weight you are lifting, they just know how intensely they are working.
What the fuck is wrong with you people, fuck sakes, always trying to be technical, woooosh
Does adding 100lb to your squats automatically mean your leg muscles got bigger? No of course not but take 100 people who have added 100lbs to their squat and I guarantee 90 of them will have bigger legs, stop with this technical non sense
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Truly great interview, lots of common sense in there.
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What about jason huh saying that it's not about half reps,quarter reps etc,its all about constant tension..and it seems to work with him....
jason is also strong as fuck
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GREAT thread, should be required reading for every starting bber.
and more proof anabolichalo is a top 10 poster at getbig!
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GREAT thread, should be required reading for every starting bber.
and more proof anabolichalo is a top 10 poster at getbig!
i couldnt have done it without you internet friends
bodybuilding is one of the most mysterious activities in the world like vic richard said
nothing is what it seems
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early ronnie coleman talked about the pumpn and the contraction a lot and a lot of reps
only after he reached his final form he went crazy on the weights?
but then again he powerlifted for a while at the beginning
who really knows
in this video he agrees with the thread i think
03:55 quote of the century
must have been good dayz for ronnie, working out with his girlfriend bodybuilder vicky gates
26:35 on bicep training
"I'm not that concerned about going real heavy here, i'm doing 35 pounds....trying to get peak contraction...good sole controlled movements....not doing a lot of heavy weight for like 5 reps with bad form....."
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Truly great interview, lots of common sense in there.
Indeed - Though the MD cycle he referred to telling Ron Harris about is utter bullshit as seen below :D
Dorian Yates- Steroids Setting the Record Straight article about steroid use
Well I am not sure if any of you guys were able to read the new Muscular Development magazine for Oct. 2011 yet but there was a great article in there that I wanted to post a thread about. Dorian Yates writes a section in the magazine called Blood & Guts and this month the article was called Steroids- Setting the Record Straight . In this article Dorian talks openly about what he thinks of steroids and really just made me an even bigger fan of him. The guy is Smart and knows more than most would think. The article was very long so I will just put in some of the highlights for you guys. I guess he wrote this because he was tired of guys making up supposed cycles of what he used in his career and wanted to set it straight.
First Steroid Cycle
Dorian said that his first cycle was used as a tool to maintain muscle mass while dieting. This is what he used
wks 1-4 Daily 20mg of Dianabol
wks 5-8 Daily 15lmgs of Anavar and
Weekly 100mgs of Primobolan
He started at 8 wks out weighing 205. He competed at 210-212lbs. Since he lost BF% it is safe to say that he added a decent amount of Muscle mass.
Dorian also touched on these subjects
Steroids do not create Champions
What are Steroids
Who uses Steroids
How Dangerous are Steroids, and Can they be used Safely ( here he made the comment that nobody has ever died from swallowing a whole bottle of Dianabol but I guarantee you that if you swallow an entire bottle of Aspirin, you wont live to see tomorrow.)
The Mr. Olympia Cycle
Weekly
Test prop 300mgs
Parabolan 152mgs
Primobolan 500mgs
Daily
Anavar 50mgs
Growth Hormone 8iu
Off Season Stack (was usually 3 8wk cycles)
Weekly
Testosterone 750mgs
Deca-Durabolin 500mgs
Daily
Dianabol 50mgs
From the age of 21-35 Dorian didn't have more than 10 glasses of wine or alcohol. Only was up after 11:30 a few times and never was more than 5-10 minutes late for a meal. There is much more to being a champion than how much steroids or other drugs you use. Some will never get there no matter how many AAS they use.
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What the fuck is wrong with you people, fuck sakes, always trying to be technical, woooosh
Does adding 100lb to your squats automatically mean your leg muscles got bigger? No of course not but take 100 people who have added 100lbs to their squat and I guarantee 90 of them will have bigger legs, stop with this technical non sense
i couldnt agree more
take a begginner who squats 135x15 and take his squat over the years to 400 x 15 - 20 in good form and nine times out often his legs will be much much bigger.
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Here is stick arms doing a power clean with 315 for 6. I can`t do that. Galeniko can`t do that. Everyone on this thread who posted can`t do that, but there are plenty of people on this thread with better arms and upper body then stick man.
He has incredible power. A lot of big armed guys with a big bench press that punch like little girls. They don't have the power of a welter weight with a 14 " arm boxer. Bodybuilding fans just have a distorted view point concerning looking at a physique. You would think a guy with big steroid thighs could dunk a basketball but many couldn't get any air because of lack of power. Doing fast lifts like power cleans and snatches will develop that explosiveness.
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He has incredible power. A lot of big armed guys with a big bench press that punch like little girls. They don't have the power of a welter weight with a 14 " arm boxer. Bodybuilding fans just have a distorted view point concerning looking at a physique. You would think a guy with big steroid thighs could dunk a basketball but many couldn't get any air because of lack of power. Doing fast lifts like power cleans and snatches will develop that explosiveness.
and?........................ ..
we are talking about hypertrophy here
not sports
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props to anabolicho for starting a good thread 8)
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I have thought a lot about this topic. If getting stronger was the magic bullet the most productive method of getting bigger muscles would be doing sets of one rep where you could use the highest weight.
The two basic acceptable ways to train is volume and hit. The problem with hit is how strong can you get? If getting stronger in all your exercises is the main priority how do you get an extra rep or add five pounds after training 5-10 years? How about the burn out factor of pounding your head against the wall always trying to get another rep for your hit workout journal?
It's been my empirical knowledge that lifting with low sets to failure will add strength and some size building a denser muscle. The majority of guys seem to grow better using volume or what I call muscular endurance training.
A hit guy might train like this for chest. Flat bench 2 of 6 reps;incline bar press 2 of 6 reps and flat flies 2 of 10 reps. All to failure. A volume guy might do a volume chest workout like this. Flat bench 4 of 10 reps; incline bar press 4 of 10 reps; and flat flies 4 of 10 reps. His first 3 sets are hard but not to failure only the last set could be.
Look at male gymnasts. They are doing chins, dips and other gymnastic exercises throughout their long workout. They are in general not training to failure but through hard volume they create a ripped big physique. I know the specificity of their chosen athletic endeavor means they are not large guys but never the less they are built.
I think both methods should be used with an emphasis on getting stronger with low sets for the younger age lifter. As one gets experienced a goal of getting more muscular endurance is a goal that will carry you far.
Some say look at sprinters compared to distance runners. It does make the point of intensity but sprinters train with volume doing 10 x 10 100 meters and 8 x 200 meters on other days as an example of how some sprinters train. If they truly wanted the highest intensity they would run one all out 60 meter dash and go home and rest.
I read a Danny Padilla interview when he talks about his time doing hit when Arthur Jones was the big thing. Padilla said he lifted heavy weights for one work set per exercise busting his ass. He said he didn't get the gains he had hoped for. He also said it was scary to go into the gym the next time trying to better the previous workout where he pushed to the max. When he went to his 5 sets of 12 reps per exercise he got the size he was trying to get.
A volume guy doing say 5 sets of 12 might do sets like this. First set feels like he can rep to close to 20 but stops stops at 12. Second to fourth is it get progressively harder. Set 5 he fails at 9 reps.
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why not 5 sets of 8-12 to failure?
each set to failure
so taking less weight every set or every few sets
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A reverse pyramid can work. I usually see that with some hit guys and not volume. I define HIT as 1 to 3 work sets per exercise. I have seen and heard of guys using the heaviest weight for the first set progressively lowering the weight for set 2 and 3. I never heard of a volume guy going to failure for 5 sets on a reverse pyramid lowering the weight. Sounds insane tough.
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why not 5 sets of 8-12 to failure?
each set to failure
so taking less weight every set or every few sets
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"bodybuilding is not an endurance contest!" -Mike Mentzer
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"bodybuilding is not an endurance contest!" -Mike Mentzer
a salesman's story cant be trusted even tho it sounds nice to the ear
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"bodybuilding is not an endurance contest!" -Mike Mentzer
I don't think training with volume is pure endurance like a long distance runner or biker. It's still lifting weights. The muscles of a bodybuilder is the result of muscular endurance training. If it wasn't Olympic lifters and power lifters would have the biggest thighs from their insane intensity.
Speaking of big thighs have you seen the thighs of bike sprint competitors? Huge from racing around a track doing a lot of reps spinning the crank.
Remember a lot of volume trainers beat Mike in a lot of contests. He didn't come in second in the 1980 Olympia he came in 5th. Even Viator at his best was training with volume for the London Olympia. Mentzer still has the most influence on my training over my life but I cannot discount other forms of training.
I don't want to get into a volume vs HIT debate. The facts stand that the over whelming amount of champs trained with volume and not hit. One of the ways Jones used to promote the sales of his Nautilus machine was to find a champion bodybuilder who used volume then promote them as the result of one set of 12 Nautilus machines.
I trained with high intensity for decades. I have many of the issues that Arthur Jones wrote in Ironman magazine back in the early 70's I believe when few if any bodybuilders knew who he was. He use to have an animal program that was semi popular on tv. I was really into what Jones and Mentzer had to say. In the early 80's when everyone was doing volume in the gym I was copying Mentzer's workouts. Complete with pre exhaust. I still have what I think is the most complete collection of everything Mentzer wrote in the magazines.
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mentzer is the biggest bullshitter of all times.
if one takes enough gear he will actualy grow even from pushups.
not optimal,but he will
i watched his seminar on youtube about hit
it was so powerfully persuasive i almost fell for it hard
then i looked on youtube for people doing hit and found all these people look like shit. and i said fuck it, hell no
pretty sure it was this EXACT VIDEO that made me "snap out of it" :D
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Mentzer trained with a lot more sets than what he talked about after he was retired. I often wondered why he was promoting such short infrequent workouts that he never used during his prime. Maybe it's why so many personal trainers are into short HIT workouts. You can train a client in 20 minutes and move on to the next.
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HIT training is garbage. Do that as a Natural and you will get ZERO progress.
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i think there's a bunch of reasons
*his story sounds so different than all the normal stories, differentiating him from the competition
*his story is attractive to the ear, short infrequent workouts, save a lot of time and effort, still get big and strong
*nautilus workout equipment scamming somehow related
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you can think of any possible workout "must", then read about a big bodybuilder who never, ever does it. you can take absolutely any list of "essential" workout or diet "donts", and then find a youtube video of someone huge and lean who does every one of them.
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I remember going to a real pure HIT gym. It was full of Nautilus and Med X machines. They wanted a representative of my job to go through a workout and I volunteered. If my memory serves me right he had me do 6 exercises. All one set to failure with an insane amount of assisted forced reps. He put a heart rate monitor on me. We started with leg presses. I failed at 12 reps I believe. The owner then assisted with 5 mores reps yelling slow negative. Through all the reps he was telling me to go slow for the positive and negative of the rep. I could barely walk. He then said immediately get on the exercise bike and sprint for 2 minutes. The resistance was high. I thought I was going to puke. He said times up and moved me to what I think was the nautilus pullover. Again to failure and then many assisted reps until the negative got sloppy. Then immediately back on the bike for a 2 minute sprint. The session went on and at the end I literally had to lie on the floor trying to not die. He said when you train like this the sessions are short and you need days off to recover. I really don't know how anyone could train like that for couple of weeks and not quit. He told me at the end you are in pretty good shape as I was flat on the floor. I never went back for this version of HIT.
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I remember going to a real pure HIT gym. It was full of Nautilus and Med X machines. They wanted a representative of my job to go through a workout and I volunteered. If my memory serves me right he had me do 6 exercises. All one set to failure with an insane amount of assisted forced reps. He put a heart rate monitor on me. We started with leg presses. I failed at 12 reps I believe. The owner then assisted with 5 mores reps yelling slow negative. Through all the reps he was telling me to go slow for the positive and negative of the rep. I could barely walk. He then said immediately get on the exercise bike and sprint for 2 minutes. The resistance was high. I thought I was going to puke. He said times up and moved me to what I think was the nautilus pullover. Again to failure and then many assisted reps until the negative got sloppy. Then immediately back on the bike for a 2 minute sprint. The session went on and at the end I literally had to lie on the floor trying to not die. He said when you train like this the sessions are short and you need days off to recover. I really don't know how anyone could train like that for couple of weeks and not quit. He told me at the end you are in pretty good shape as I was flat on the floor. I never went back for this version of HIT.
wtf ;D
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Hit...heavy duty ...is heavy duty burn out
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Rather go with pearl ....leave the gym with gas in the tank...motivated to work out again. I like getting a pump . I like volume but not too crazy..just enough to do the job .
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I don't think training with volume is pure endurance like a long distance runner or biker. It's still lifting weights. The muscles of a bodybuilder is the result of muscular endurance training. If it wasn't Olympic lifters and power lifters would have the biggest thighs from their insane intensity.
Speaking of big thighs have you seen the thighs of bike sprint competitors? Huge from racing around a track doing a lot of reps spinning the crank.
Remember a lot of volume trainers beat Mike in a lot of contests. He didn't come in second in the 1980 Olympia he came in 5th. Even Viator at his best was training with volume for the London Olympia. Mentzer still has the most influence on my training over my life but I cannot discount other forms of training.
I don't want to get into a volume vs HIT debate. The facts stand that the over whelming amount of champs trained with volume and not hit. One of the ways Jones used to promote the sales of his Nautilus machine was to find a champion bodybuilder who used volume then promote them as the result of one set of 12 Nautilus machines.
I trained with high intensity for decades. I have many of the issues that Arthur Jones wrote in Ironman magazine back in the early 70's I believe when few if any bodybuilders knew who he was. He use to have an animal program that was semi popular on tv. I was really into what Jones and Mentzer had to say. In the early 80's when everyone was doing volume in the gym I was copying Mentzer's workouts. Complete with pre exhaust. I still have what I think is the most complete collection of everything Mentzer wrote in the magazines.
you're getting lost in this hit vs. volume thing and not seeing the forest through the trees
here's the golden rule... increased training loads=bigger muscles
i've never seen anyone who was able to get bigger muscles without increasing thier training loads
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you're getting lost in this hit vs. volume thing and not seeing the forest through the trees
here's the golden rule... increased training loads=bigger muscles
i've never seen anyone who was able to get bigger muscles without increasing thier training loads
It's simple, train heavier each workout or increase reps to a certain level. Diet is secondary depending on calorie intake. Pump really means nothing other your heart pushing blood to the muscle. Now as Serge Nubret he trained all day taking breaks here and there but if you quit doing that muscle goes away fast. Best to stay with heavy weights, diet and mild cardio.
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i couldnt agree more
take a begginner who squats 135x15 and take his squat over the years to 400 x 15 - 20 in good form and nine times out often his legs will be much much bigger.
Hell yes.
Anytime someone tries to compare some scrawny "strong" guy to a big, "weak" guy, the point's already set sail, left harbor and is so far beyond their heads, they'd best wait for the next damn boat. It's not apples to apples; you have to compare individuals relative to their strength increases.
In addition to that, yeah, you're gonna have 20 rep squatters who move massive weights but don't have thighs to speak of. That's mostly a function of genetics, not training. Tom Platz was sure a big fan of high-rep squats (500x23, anyone?), and his wheels didn't exactly suck. Interestingly, Fred Hatfield's legs DID suck, yet he could squat more weight for a single than Tom could -- past Tom's prime, but still.
When you get into that 20 rep range, things change a little. IMO, that's as much endurance as it is strength.
A better test would be something like this ...
Show me a man who started with average lifts (struggling with, say, a 155 lb. bench and/or squat) and, over time, built up to 365 for 8-10 strict reps on the flat bench and 495 for 8-10 ass-to-grass squats. If HE didn't grow into something respectable by most any metric, I'll concede the argument.
As far as the so-called importance of a pump, I've never trained like an Olympic lifter. Do they typically get pumps in their traps, quads and delts from the singles they largely practice? If not, how come they DO typically sport great traps, delts and quads?
(One could just as easily run in the opposite direction vis-a-vis gymnasts. Again, I've never followed a gymnast through a workout, but I understand that they spend a LOT of time in the gym, day after day, year after year -- and there's no denying their upper-body development (yes, even if they are usually shredded, under a buck 50 and look far more muscular onscreen than they might if you stood shoulder-to-shoulder with one of them).)
Some people look at Olympic lifting and gymnastics to "disprove" Mentzer and company's ideas. Not so, friends ... that's a classic case of the false dilemma fallacy (a.k.a. bifurcation, a.k.a. false dichotomy, a.k.a. either/or fallacy, etc., etc.). Mentzer was all about overcompensation, and that IS something that [largely explosive] Olympic lifts, sans slow negatives, can accomplish. It's something that a dude working his butt off on parallel bars can do, even if it takes two hours for him to really kick his own ass.
At the same time, I've done some Mentzerian-style workouts, often with one or two training partners. We tried one psycho's brand of "rest-pause" lifting.
Did it result in a pump? Err ... hold that thought***. We did two sets per bodypart. After warming up with light shit, we did the full stack on the Nautilus Duo-Chest crossover. I was just a pup then, 16, so the full fucking stack was a hair much for me. OK: it was WAY too much for me. But these guys threw on the stack and made me do a rep, with their assistance.
After that, I had a 10 second rest, and thank God they lightened the weight to more like 210-220. I could budge it a few inches, then they might me fight every each 'til I got to the top -- then [very slowly] counted down from 10 as I lowered the weight.
I'll interrupt my own little tale and say that I gained sweet FUCK ALL from that kind of training. I think it was just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaay too stressful, even for a 16-year-old kid who wanted to be Mr. Olympia.
***Yes, that kind of lifting did result in a pump. It set in shortly after I finished lifting and lasted literally ALL g'damn day. Even the next morning, the trained areas were sore and stuff but still moderately pumped -- and believe you me, I know the difference between an actual pump and simple edema/inflammation after I've had my boyfriend violate me so many times ... err, I mean, after I ... *sigh* Too late. The cat's out of the bag now! LOL ;) (I am just kidding, for the humor-impaired. But I've learned it's best 'round these parts to go ahead and at least feign some kind of faggish proclivities, then joke about them rather than say something that a closeted "fella" would be only too eager to misconstrue ;) .)
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you're getting lost in this hit vs. volume thing and not seeing the forest through the trees
here's the golden rule... increased training loads=bigger muscles
i've never seen anyone who was able to get bigger muscles without increasing thier training loads
So if you train with volume you can't increase your training loads as you call it? You can increase the weight with both volume and hit. How strong can you get? I guess if you train for 10 years you can bench 1000lbs. Increasing the difficulty of a work out is increasing the weight. Increasing the amount of reps from what you failed at. Decreasing the amount of time it takes to perform a workout from your last attempt.
The point I'm trying to get is that the goal of HIT is getting stronger. So if you trained hard in cycles for 5 years and you are stuck at a 315 bench for a year are you at your genetic limitation? Time to find another hobby? Using volume you can work on increasing strength endurance for a long time. So using 5 sets of 10 you fail at 8 reps on that last set. Next goal is to get 9 reps. When you get to 10 time to increase the weight or complete the workout quicker.
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So if you train with volume you can't increase your training loads as you call it?
i never said that man, but sure you can increase your training loads with volume training although volume training never did shit for me
do you agree with this statement? "once you get to the point where you can't lift heavier loads then you will not get bigger muscles"
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Again progression is weight, increasing reps and performing the workout in a shorter length of time. If you take someone new to training who can curl 80lbs for a 10 rep failure he will not advance if every workout he does 10 reps with 80lbs. He has to try to try for that 11th rep. He has to try to add 5lbs.
I'm out of this hit vs volume discussion. I already see some of the followers of the HIT religion coming out of the wood work. Again I have trained with HIT in the 70's, 80's, 90's and for many years of the 2000's. I just never got into the HIT attitude of their superiority complex. Bodybuilding fans can be a strange group of misfits.
I have just found an appreciation for volume. I was a track sprinter in high school and college. A 100 meter guy wouldn't never say to a 10K guy your training is easy. Mine is intense and yours is easy. Yet in lifting you hear that kind of talk constantly. Volume is tough. Those who just use HIT would have their eyes opened if they trained with some volume trainers about how easy volume trainers have it. Sarcasm.
The reality both train hard but it's comparing apples to oranges. In the HIT world you hear variations of, if you don't follow my version of HIT you are stupid. You constantly hear I train hard and you don't if you are doing multiple sets. Let me tell you that training with volume is brutal. In track a distance runner might go for a hard fast 5 mile run. A sprinter 8 x 200 meters.
The truth is that the over whelming amount of champion bodybuilders have used volume. The standard HIT answer to that is so have the failures. That could be said of HIT too. Just you tube some of these HIT fanatics and you will find a lot of out of shape guys. Not out of shape by bodybuilding standard but by any standard.
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It's simple, train heavier each workout or increase reps to a certain level. Diet is secondary depending on calorie intake. Pump really means nothing other your heart pushing blood to the muscle. Now as Serge Nubret he trained all day taking breaks here and there but if you quit doing that muscle goes away fast. Best to stay with heavy weights, diet and mild cardio.
this,,,
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Why not just do all of it?
Train with Heavy Weights, Train with lighter weights and less rest and train to failure.
That is what i have tried this year and my levrl of fitness overall has improved immensly as opposed to just going heavy
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That is what i have tried this year and my levrl of fitness overall has improved immensly as opposed to just going heavy
heavy,heavy all the time ..365...just leads to injuries and down time in the gym,,u have to train around all the peaks and valleys,,stay lean or as close to ,,mix it up as stated on this thread.
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as for stronger muscle being bigger.
this is so relative, i wont go there.you cannot define what is a stronger muscle.
also, getting stronger being require to further grow is bullshit and not proven.
at some point you dont get stronger no more.you think coleman got stronger in his last couple years?he didnt.
when strenght has peaked, theres other ways to grow, pre exhaust etc.
my legs grew to their best shape with relatively light squats.
good points,,
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another thing is, my arms, theyre not the biggest guns out there, but theyre striated 18inch on small frame.
i can do skullcrushers with 160lbs for 10 clean reps,i can do bar curls with full range and slow with olympic bar and 1 plate each side for 8reps.
but you know how i train the arms most of the time?
i do cable stuff for triceps, skullcrushers with 70lbs for many many reps, biceps curls with 25lbs dumbells.
and it makes fuck all of a difference.
the one difference is, my joints dont hurt the next day if i go light.
the thing is you have that strength reserve/ability..that contributed to your arm size. twig arms arent going to do slow clean reps on skulls with 160x10 or curl 135x8..theyre going to have size, and can also be maintained using lighter weights
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biceps work hard in supinated pull downs
when doing curls i isolate them and dont worry about a big weight
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the thing is you have that strength reserve/ability..that contributed to your arm size. twig arms arent going to do slow clean reps on skulls with 160x10 or curl 135x8..theyre going to have size, and can also be maintained using lighter weights
THIS
yes g's arms have size, but they ain't gonna get any bigger than they are now unless he lifts bigger weight
and yes, you can maintain your size with lesser weights, but that happens AFTER you build the size 1st
i built my lats up doing rows with a 125 pound bell for 10 reps and now i will maintain thier size doing rows with a 100 pound bell for 10 reps (at least i sure as hell hope so lol)
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lifting as much as you can for a few reps (<5) flattens your muscles in my experience. The idea is to build volume and dimension into your muscles.
let me give you an example, a few years ago i could bench 3 plates for a four while i was training with the mentality of heavier is better but i stopped growing, i dropped to 2 plates and made the lift difficult for myself by slowing it down etc and started growing again..... maxing out weight wise is worthless in my opinion
What a ridiculous bulsshit you write there. Don't you know what is the problem there? With the heavy weights you still must maintain perfect form and ROM, and you muscles grow. If you don't or can't do that, feel free to use lighter weights. Problem is simple. Most of you guys use heavy weights to pumping your ego with 2" ROM and shitty form. That takes you nowhere what comes building muscles, it is a waste of time.
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heavy,heavy all the time ..365...just leads to injuries and down time in the gym,,u have to train around all the peaks and valleys,,stay lean or as close to ,,mix it up as stated on this thread.
This is true
Some body parts just don't need super heavy training for eg
Arms my arms are close to 20 cold now and I dont them super heavy that's just counter productive as it kills the joints .. So you won't catch me hitting under 8 reps for arms.
But for back and chest I think heavy training is benificaial but still never under 8 reps aside from dead lifts
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as for stronger muscle being bigger.
this is so relative, i wont go there.you cannot define what is a stronger muscle.
also, getting stronger being require to further grow is bullshit and not proven.
at some point you dont get stronger no more.you think coleman got stronger in his last couple years?he didnt.
when strenght has peaked, theres other ways to grow, pre exhaust etc.
my legs grew to their best shape with relatively light squats.
yes 100% brother Galeniko..
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I think after a point you will not be able to put more weight on the bar, you are at a still stand. Oldtimer and Galeniko i agree with. this is why i prefer volume and supersetting,tri setting .... sure i can´t train "Heavy" like straight sets but i fatigue my muscles and still get results without joint pain. another good point mentioned by oldtimer is working faster.. this is also a way to increase intensity. as a volume trainer you can still get very good results..lots of training principles to use..mix and match ;) great thread...PUMP IT UP GUYS ;D ;)
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pump is a good feeling but can't stimulate hypertrophy.
progressive overload makes your muscle bigger, but if the overload is due to an increase of technique (bouncing cheating, arching etc) it's not valable.
i increase my bencpress by arching, the most i arched, the less my pecs grow
i do y bench press now with my feet on the bench my body is totally flat, no bouncing no arching no cheating, my pecs are bigger than ever.
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I dont understand why it has to be either or.
One of the best routines i used was the first excercise done heavy for about 15 to 25 TOTAL reps in 3 - 5 sets working towards constant strength gains. And the second excercise done lighter for 4 to 5 sets with higher reps and very little rest, with less empthasis on gaining strength.
Covers both types of hypertrophy.
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I dont understand why it has to be either or.
One of the best routines i used was the first excercise done heavy for about 15 to 25 TOTAL reps in 3 - 5 sets working towards constant strength gains. And the second excercise done lighter for 4 to 5 sets with higher reps and very little rest, with less empthasis on gaining strength.
Covers both types of hypertrophy.
because bodybuilders are all or nothing..there is no middle ground
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I have always found the muscle groups that I get the best pump in are generally my better bodyparts.
Must be something in pump workouts.
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I have always found the muscle groups that I get the best pump in are generally my better bodyparts.
Must be something in pump workouts.
so you must get a real shit pump in your arms then :D :D :D
J/K man! you are my fav new poster btw
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so you must get a real shit pump in your arms then
J/K man! you are my fav new poster btw
Not sure if serious, but thanks anyway. ;D
18 1/4 inch arms shit, then I will take that on the chin
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volume and pump is the way to go... you feel it in the muscle(S)-- you feel like fucking king kong. NO way you will feel this with one or two sets. In my opinion the body is designed to work hard..yes and more. look at a Zulu warrior..ran 100 miles and still fought. (Rogues Drift). The idea of doing such short training never appealed to me or training to absolute failure. Each person can feel when it´s enough.
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Not sure if serious, but thanks anyway. ;D
18 1/4 inch arms shit, then I will take that on the chin
you got a damn good physique on you dude
NO DOUBT
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another thing is, my arms, theyre not the biggest guns out there, but theyre striated 18inch on small frame.
i can do skullcrushers with 160lbs for 10 clean reps,i can do bar curls with full range and slow with olympic bar and 1 plate each side for 8reps.
but you know how i train the arms most of the time?
i do cable stuff for triceps, skullcrushers with 70lbs for many many reps, biceps curls with 25lbs dumbells.
and it makes fuck all of a difference.
the one difference is, my joints dont hurt the next day if i go light.
if you could do 160 skullcrushers and 135 barbell curls good form(full range and slow as you said) your joints wouldnt hurt the next day
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if you could do 160 skullcrushers and 135 barbell curls good form(full range and slow as you said) your joints wouldnt hurt the next day
And you know this how Doctor..???
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And you know this how Doctor..???
no need to be a doctor ffs. If you did barbell curls simply moving your forearms up and down isolating your biceps why would your joints hurt??
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dorian yates says decline bench press is WAY superior to flat bench press for pec development. true? he claims because the function of the pec is to pull the humerus across the body in a downward angle
also he claims that barbell rows with back at 45 degrees is better to develop the "lower lats"
parallel to the floor barbell rows are only hitting the upper back and arms he says
true?
he says it with such confidence and cogency you could believe it on the spot
but is he actually knowledgeable on anatomy?
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dorian yates says decline bench press is WAY superior to flat bench press for pec development. true? he claims because the function of the pec is to pull the humerus across the body in a downward angle
also he claims that barbell rows with back at 45 degrees is better to develop the "lower lats"
parallel to the floor barbell rows are only hitting the upper back and arms he says
true?
he says it with such confidence and cogency you could believe it on the spot
but is he actually knowledgeable on anatomy?
I agree with Decline bench. Barbell rows i love. i agree too there to a point. it´s more a question of hand spacing and grip.. supination or pronation. and where you bring the bar to. I row slightly above parallel but not so high as yates did.
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I agree with Decline bench. Barbell rows i love. i agree too there to a point. it´s more a question of hand spacing and grip.. supination or pronation. and where you bring the bar to. I row slightly above parallel but not so high as yates did.
you have to pull the bar to the hips to use lats and to the stomach to use more rhomboids
correct?
supinated or pronated seems like the same deal
the twisting of the bones in the lower arm doesnt affect the movement of the humerus?
and the lats are not connected to the lower arm bones
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this supination - pronation thing seems like broscience honestly
please speak on this
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hey , mongoloid, there is not one single exercise which fully isolates any particular muscle.
i hope this helps.
when you do "heavy" barbell curls, no matter how heavy, there will always be some other stabilisation muscles and joints involved.
no need to be a doctor, uh?no need to be a moron either
anabolchao,i think banchpress for pecs is severly overrated, just think how the pecs work, bench press isnt even close to the natural movement for the pecs.
but yes, depending on shoulder structure, decline or incline will be better than flat bench for some.
my chest is kinda shit, but ukjeffs chest is very good and he dont bench afaik
what does jeff do for pecs then?
machine presses or all fly motions
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hes very knowledgeable on chest stuff in general ;D ;D
im sure he will share his chest programme.
for what its worth,i get the best pump from fly motions.and decline press
since starting my roids i didnt do flat bench anymore
only decline, incline and fly motions
i notice with incline barbell bench bring the bar all the way down to the chest is asking for shoulder pain
also dips
hoping my chest will stop being so shit one day lol
but most i care about is arms tho
girls like to hold a guys arms as hes fucking them and they feel like "thats my man"
true story
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you have to pull the bar to the hips to use lats and to the stomach to use more rhomboids
correct?
supinated or pronated seems like the same deal
the twisting of the bones in the lower arm doesnt affect the movement of the humerus?
and the lats are not connected to the lower arm bones
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this supination - pronation thing seems like broscience honestly
please speak on this
it´s about SCALPULAE RETRACTION...read up on it then we will talk when you understand BASICS. Try sternum chins compared to normal chins. tell me if you do not feel it.
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it´s about SCALPULAE RETRACTION...read up on it then we will talk when you understand BASICS. Try sternum chins compared to normal chins. tell me if you do not feel it.
i dont want to read walls of text
just want the bottom line
so i should do supinated barbell rows instead of pronated? ok
45 degrees? 90 degrees?
thankls
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i dont want to read walls of text
just want the bottom line
so i should do supinated barbell rows instead of pronated? ok
45 degrees? 90 degrees?
thankls
Bottom line is row at a position that is good for your lower back. I Row at just about 110 degrees not sure. You can feel if it´s good if you are an experienced trainer. I do do supinated sternum chins so i do pronated barbell rows BUT i still swap them over...what is best in my opinion ? SUPINATED Barbell rows just above 90 degrees.
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ONE OF THE BEST 'MACHINE'TYPE OF ROWS IS THE STANDING ANGLED.. CHEST TO PAD TBAR ROW,INNER AND WIDE GRIP...
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no need to be a doctor ffs. If you did barbell curls simply moving your forearms up and down isolating your biceps why would your joints hurt??
Shearing stress
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ONE OF THE BEST 'MACHINE'TYPE OF ROWS IS THE STANDING ANGLED.. CHEST TO PAD TBAR ROW,INNER AND WIDE GRIP...
a t bar row machine with a chest support?
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i have to quote this again, because its so dumb.lol.
"isolating muscle"
where did you read about that?haha
tell me, how do you isolate the muscle?
are you one of them folks who can isolate each particular delt part ::)
post a video of your perfect form 135 barbell curls for 10 reps then. It is easier to isolate the biceps with concentration curls or scott curls but still it can be done with standing barbell curls if you leave out your ego and lower your weight to something more appropriate. I bet you use momentum, front delt and even lower back when curling 135.
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i do barbell curls with i guess like 30kilos
because i lock the upper arms in a verticel position
to be able to do this and not call over
you need to dip the knees and assume some sort of very solid stance and tense the whole body
only this way can you do obesssive compulsively strict barbell curls
gym looks a bit puzzled why i use this bitch light weight
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CHILDREN CHILDREN::: DO DRAG CURLS...now the elbow position is important. then tell me if this is diffrent to a standard barbell curl.
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drag curling is something i discovered maybe two months ago, whether barbell or dumbell, great way to contract and feel biceps.
The other thing i do lately is outward bicep curls no idea how its called but you hold dumbells outside and stretch outwardly from your sides not in front of you and let the arm hang low then pull up and squeeze sideways totally contracting biceps only.. feels very isolated. Elbows tucked in sides of hips if that makes sense... im sure there is a name for it.
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what's drag curling? curling in a dress?
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what's drag curling? curling in a dress?
???
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i do barbell curls with i guess like 30kilos
because i lock the upper arms in a verticel position
to be able to do this and not call over
you need to dip the knees and assume some sort of very solid stance and tense the whole body
only this way can you do obesssive compulsively strict barbell curls
gym looks a bit puzzled why i use this bitch light weight
dude can you train me? you know the drugs right?
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a t bar row machine with a chest support?
you are i can read a full blown expert on training. tell me please
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dude can you train me? you know the drugs right?
yes but first you must do chores, clean my car etc to show respect for the teacher
like in the karate kid and other classic movies
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yes but first you must do chores, clean my car etc to show respect for the teacher
like in the karate kid and other classic movies
cut the shit Bro you are the man. so give me a detailed workout with drugs bro
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cut the shit Bro you are the man. so give me a detailed workout with drugs bro
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Bro i read your posts and you are the man to talk to about roids and training. so how do i get a big body like you? you look big dude. i am impressed.
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Bro i read your posts and you are the man to talk to about roids and training. so how do i get a big body like you? you look big dude. i am impressed.
god given genetic
hard work dedication
chicken broccoli
drugs for finishing touch
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god given genetic
hard work dedication
chicken broccoli
drugs for finishing touch
you train me ?
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dude you are the man. what drugs? training?
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you train me ?
ok you pay me money
$50 for tailor made workout routine
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ok you pay me money
$50 for tailor made workout routine
Just because I'm a man doesn't mean I don't enjoy the feeling of big black balls slapping me on the chin.
Any hung black men here want to pound my little white face with their black mamba? I don't have a gag reflex.
;)
PM me. :-*
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dude i don't want a cheap body like yours
ok, you go
i not want train stupid american like you
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ok, you go
i not want train stupid american like you
Just because I'm a man doesn't mean I don't enjoy the feeling of big black balls slapping me on the chin.
Any hung black men here want to pound my little white face with their black mamba? I don't have a gag reflex. Wink
PM me.
:-*
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hes very knowledgeable on chest stuff in general
im sure he will share his chest programme.
for what its worth,i get the best pump from fly motions.and decline press
No problem
Get thoroughly warmed up with a pair of 10k dumbells doing side laterals/presses/flys/curls.
Then 20k dumbell press for around 20-25 reps then increase weight up to 35s for 2 sets to almost failure (might go heavier every blue moon) around 6 sets total but dont really count.
then pec deck 4 sets of around 12-15 reps
Finish with 2-3 sets cable crossovers, but dont cross over, (if you know what i mean)
Thats it for chest.
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ok, you go
i not want train stupid american like you
Dude what cycle ?
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here's one thing i never really understood:
why, instead of doing 3-4 different exercises, don't you just do more sets of one exercise? do people really believe in the "hitting different angles" thing? i mean, maybe okay i can see your point for flat bench and incline bench... but why do anything more than that? and for biceps, triceps, etc?
there are people with huge adductors who only ever do regular squats... sheds some suspicion on the "different angles" theory.
these days i do no more than 2 exercises per body part, where i used to do sometimes as many as 5 for each. no difference in physique.
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here's one thing i never really understood:
why, instead of doing 3-4 different exercises, don't you just do more sets of one exercise? do people really believe in the "hitting different angles" thing? i mean, maybe okay i can see your point for flat bench and incline bench... but why do anything more than that? and for biceps, triceps, etc?
there are people with huge adductors who only ever do regular squats... sheds some suspicion on the "different angles" theory.
these days i do no more than 2 exercises per body part, where i used to do sometimes as many as 5 for each. no difference in physique.
a very good post and question. For Mass Building is 2 exercises is ok but i believe that later an advanced trainer must specialize on weak spots. This is when isolation is needed and more exercises to hit the muscle(S) groups. You will never get a balanced physique with short routines and only basic exercises.
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I do the excercises I do because they hit the muscle differently and it feels like they are working.
I dont really feel much in my pecs when pressing, pecdecks and flys really hit hard, I do the presses because I feel it helps the delt tie in.
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i agree, 1 would be good enough.
i only do more in ordr to not get bored really.
sometimes though, i do a squats only workout.
usualy after cheat meal days, then energy is quite there 8)
well if you juice yes
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I do the excercises I do because they hit the muscle differently and it feels like they are working.
I dont really feel much in my pecs when pressing, pecdecks and flys really hit hard, I do the presses because I feel it helps the delt tie in.
pre exhaust your pecs..flyes then presses.
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pec deck machine feels like shit, feels like a joke really. dumbell flies feel good tho
we have the one you hold with hands not elbows
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pec deck machine feels like shit, feels like a joke really. dumbell flies feel good tho
we have the one you hold with hands not elbows
DB flyes are King
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pec deck machine feels like shit, feels like a joke really.
You need the one you put your forearms against with your arms vertical, the other isnt a pec dec, its a fly.
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i do decline bench sets of 10 with 100kg basically
so what weight should i try for dumbell flies
12kg , 14 kg ? more?
how many reps 12-15?
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(http://24.media.tumblr.com/2c14b90fd3f4bbfa5b390dc405d95e13/tumblr_mep8mli7pi1rmmsz0o1_500.jpg)
Zyzz looking ripped.
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Zyzz looking ripped.
nice
is that a cat or possum next to her? wtf
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GvJpsPwuKLY/TqGIZFHcPvI/AAAAAAAAAcM/4ItGXXSK6kc/s1600/Sphynx+Cat2.jpg)
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http://www.m.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/news/20100813/want-to-build-muscle-light-weights-will-do
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nice
is that a cat or possum next to her? wtf
^^
YEAH I noticed that too- almost like one of those "Fail photos"... :D
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i've been applying the principles from this thread
it feels embarrassing sometimes tho
struggling with 10 kg dumbbell curls
when doing biceps after back
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i've been applying the principles from this thread
it feels embarrassing sometimes tho
struggling with 10 kg dumbbell curls
when doing biceps after back
NEVER......EVER......TRAIN BIS DIRECTLY AFTER BACK........NEVER......E VER!!!!! NEVER.....EVER TRAIN TRIS AFTER SHOULDERS OR CHEST!!!!
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NEVER......EVER......TRAIN BIS DIRECTLY AFTER BACK........NEVER......E VER!!!!! NEVER.....EVER TRAIN TRIS AFTER SHOULDERS OR CHEST!!!!
why
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NEVER......EVER......TRAIN BIS DIRECTLY AFTER BACK........NEVER......E VER!!!!! NEVER.....EVER TRAIN TRIS AFTER SHOULDERS OR CHEST!!!!
really?
i thought it was "smart" since ur already working biceps?
and i train triceps after chest
also wrong?
please give me the correct way to split bodyparts
THANKS FRIENDS
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really?
i thought it was "smart" since ur already working biceps?
and i train triceps after chest
also wrong?
please give me the correct way to split bodyparts
THANKS FRIENDS
TRAIN ARMS TOGETHER.......BIS/TRIS......8-9 SETS FOR BIS AND 8-9 SETS FOR TRIS. MEDIUM WEIGHTS AND PUT THE MIND INTO THE MUSCLE!
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NEVER......EVER......TRAIN BIS DIRECTLY AFTER BACK........NEVER......E VER!!!!! NEVER.....EVER TRAIN TRIS AFTER SHOULDERS OR CHEST!!!!
lol, yes your arms might fall off.
bros gonna bro
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HEY ANABOLICHALO.......
I WILL SEND YOU A PM.
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Nope, one does not follow the other, if it did then you could keep growing bigger indefinitely.
Your muscles have no idea what weight you are lifting, they just know how intensely they are working.
DAMN GOOD POST......YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!
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Pump doesnt mean a damn thing, its just blood from the heart. Heavy weights is where its at.
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Pump doesnt mean a damn thing, its just blood from the heart. Heavy weights is where its at.
Define "heavy"
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Define "heavy"
your mom
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shes far from heavy, shes anorexic.
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Define "heavy"
Heavy for muscular development is the most weight you can do in good form upper body 6-10 reps to failure 1 set or most 2 not excluding warm ups they dont count. 10-15 lower body just my take. if you dont go to failure its useless unless superior genes then about anything works.
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I respond better to higher reps, still go to failure, less stress on my joints as well.
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I respond better to higher reps, still go to failure, less stress on my joints as well.
Thats ok failure to the muscle fibers is the key. Now if too high reps oxygen fails before the muscle fibers so there is line there.
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not sure on that, but i simply do all kinds of repetion ranges from low to high,then everything is covered.
roelly winklaar's trainer told us this
i mean not literally, but same idea
high rep to low rep pyramid style
but not just consider the "light weight" a warm up to the heavy weight
every rep range is a real set
something like that
old lady got sense
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Heavy for muscular development is the most weight you can do in good form upper body 6-10 reps to failure 1 set or most 2 not excluding warm ups they dont count. 10-15 lower body just my take. if you dont go to failure its useless unless superior genes then about anything works.
go to til failure PLUS increasing training loads once you hit the upper rep range
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old lady got sense
Yep, she sure knows how to dial Roelly in come contest time. ::)
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going to failure is a thing of the distant past... these days i would get an aneurysm or tear a ligament before failure
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Yep, she sure knows how to dial Roelly in come contest time. ::)
are we talking about contest prep in this thraed
::)
dumb cock suicker
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i really believe this is a fact you guys have stumbled upon
about the theory that maximal strength training causes flat muscles
gh15 also said this
and whoever he is or what his intentions were he had some true stories on training
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dumb cock suicker
::)
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i knew you would post somethiong like that
a moron who carss about spelling on getbig
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Its when you call someone dumb and then fuck up the spelling when it becomes a joke.
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Its when you call someone dumb and then fuck up the spelling when it becomes a joke.
only to people with a very autistic sense of humor
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That would be "humour".
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That would be "humour".
you are much more than a piece of rippling meat
you are a scholar of the english language
a great thinker
a renecance man
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That would be "English" and "renaissance"
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and by your logic, doing only negatives training with insane loads must bring out the biggest monsters.
negative-only training is too intense IMO
i've heard about others getting great results with it though, in fact Mr. Nobody told me he got very good results doing negative-only dips
the best results that i ever got on my chest came from using the Rest-Pause protocol
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That would be "English" and "renaissance"
you dont say let me get my note pad
please tell me more
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in fact Mr. Nobody told me he got very good results doing negative-only dips
Maybe he just couldn't lift himself up?
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Maybe he just couldn't lift himself up?
Thats right. :D
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yeah, failure is also a vague term.
what is failure?when one train on their own and does what he think sis failure?or when someone point a gun to his head,i bet then couple extra reps would be possible.
everything to failure,big words, hard and heavy training, eat big to get big(fat), are all relative terms and loudmouths repeat them.
going to failure on everything will soon result in some trahsed joints or ripped off muscle.
esp on steroids, the muscle get very strong for the acompaigning joints.
and one observation, for what its worth, the strongest guys def arent neither the biggest nor the best looking guys.not in my gym.
good post. i remember when i was younger, i would never look at anything that had to do with steroids. i hated even reading about bodybuilding, because i didn't want to spend a lot of time on it outside of the gym. i thought it should be simple, not an end in itself, but an activity you did so that you could feel good when you were doing your daily work (or play).
as a result i mostly read a few things here and there, the most superficial "wisdom" (::)), the most prevalent bullshit: train hard! train to failure! eat lots! etc. etc.
when, years later, i finally looked at how pros train, or really any successful "bodybuilder" of any level trains, i noticed they weren't working very hard. rarely did i ever see someone struggling to complete reps. it was all smooth sailing, from the first rep to the last (at least compared to what i put myself through). the determination i had was almost frightening! i would dread going to the gym, knowing what i was in for. well, the joke was on me... "training to failure", "giving it all you've got", "give the muscle no choice but to grow", LOL. if i were to translate these mantras into my own terms based on what i actually observed, once i finally watched some bodybuildin videos, i'd change it to "train until you get a little tired", "push yourself, but not too much", "get a bit of a pump, then go home... don't overdo it!"
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haha ukjeff getting trolled to oblivion itt
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Maybe he just couldn't lift himself up?
;D ;D ;D
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haha ukjeff getting trolled to oblivion itt
a great english scholar he is, we lucky to have him among our midsts
getbit, where the intellectuals congregate
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negative-only training is too intense IMO
i've heard about others getting great results with it though, in fact Mr. Nobody told me he got very good results doing negative-only dips
the best results that i ever got on my chest came from using the Rest-Pause protocol
i tried a negatives only workout back in late 80,s, i was so sore n my ligaments n joints felt like they where gonna snap on me 2 days later. i went back to my regular workouts but i still used negatives on the last set of each exercise to really wax the muscle to the max
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i tried a negatives only workout back in late 80,s, i was so sore n my ligaments n joints felt like they where gonna snap on me 2 days later. i went back to my regular workouts but i still used negatives on the last set of each exercise to really wax the muscle to the max
how long did you do them, and what kind of results did you get from them?
size gains? strength gains? both?
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watching a pro training video isnt the same thing, its all show and staged in those vids.
yes! that's a great point too! only after coming to getbig did i start to see the truth... all the stories of phil hernon training for 20 minutes, or sergio getting distracted by a hot girl and ditching his workout ten minutes in.
it's then you realize "hard work" is not even close to the whole equation...
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how come coleman seems to preach the usual bb training way in most of his videos (enough quality reps with a weight you can handle)
but is still able to squat 8 plates for a few reps out of the blue
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yes i cannot empathize on how much i benefited from having a certain one pro in the gym and being able to ask him stuff.(mind you i didnt aproach him stupidly with hey what you taking).
did some wild things anyway, but am glad he was around.
i can easy see how guys can fall permanently into the permabulker patter forever until they get severly injured and theyll spend their entire "careers" looking like garbage.
while i could always ask this guy for diet stuff(hes small but stays lean year round, now since 15! years)and i seen how he trains and observed things closely.
watching a pro training video isnt the same thing, its all show and staged in those vids.
at first when i seen muscular guys i thought they must be extremly strong and always train extremly hard and heavy.
and reading about alleged ghostwritten diets of pros in flex magazine doesnt help matters either.
like some newcomer should eat what mike materazo did
the thing that you're forgetting is that these pros that you've observed training "light" were just holding and maintaining their size
there's a big difference btw keeping size and gaining size
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yes! that's a great point too! only after coming to getbig did i start to see the truth... all the stories of phil hernon training for 20 minutes, or sergio getting distracted by a hot girl and ditching his workout ten minutes in.
it's then you realize "hard work" is not even close to the whole equation...
a guy on the bb.com misc section said he trained in same gym as vic martinz
he said he would do a few half ass sets, flex a bit and go home
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the thing that you're forgetting is that these pros that you've observed training "light" were just holding and maintaining their size
there's a big difference btw keeping size and gaining size
this is an arguement dante always used in his articles
"sure pros train light, but their trained extremely heavy to get pro card! so train! heavy!"
true or false i dunno
seems false
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A pump makes your muscles bigger for an hour. Breaking down muscle fibres causes hypertrophy. Wether or not you have a pump has nothing to do with how much muscle fibres you have broken down.
Can nutrients be delivered to the muscle and muscle expansion occur without a half decent flow of blood to the muscle?
Alternatively, can a really good pump, achieved by sets to failure, stretch to fascia of the muscle, as claimed by so many people, and achieve growth they way?
Is there more than one way to skin a cat?
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this is an arguement dante always used in his articles
"sure pros train light, but their trained extremely heavy to get pro card! so train! heavy!"
true or false i dunno
seems false
i think theres truth to that statement, ive seen n trained next to some guys who became pro n yes they trained really heavy n hard on the way up, once they turned pro i did notice they still trained very hard but they didnt use the crazy weights they used to. i guess once u got all that muscle n stay on tons of drugs its not mandatory that u have to keep training super heavy n risk injury
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the thing that you're forgetting is that these pros that you've observed training "light" were just holding and maintaining their size
there's a big difference btw keeping size and gaining size
dude, with all due respect, when are you going to see the fucking light, man?
you've been harping on "progressive overload" for years now. what has this gotten you? have you posted recent pictures? i don't mean to be rude, but it's just mind-boggling how stubbornly you insist on the importance hard training when it seems like you've been spinning your wheels from the beginning... and now you're using steroids, too? any results?
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how long did you do them, and what kind of results did you get from them?
size gains? strength gains? both?
to be honest i didnt really do that system for more than 2 weeks, i found out my joints n ligaments where staying...... i wanna use the word sore but it felt more like my joints where almost injured. i was training natural at that time period also, i did use roids since 83 but id come off for 2 or 3 years than go back on. im sure if i was on a cycle i woulda recovered better, i felt like my muscles werent fully recovered also when i did that type of training, i always felt that if a muscle is still sore when im training it again that means it aint 100# recovered
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dante is an utter fatso btw.on heavy doses of gear and eating 2lbs of protein a day.
the classis permabluker, why would anyone listen to a permabulker.
i read his articles years ago when a desperate natural
you will believe anything that promises the magic bullet
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ive been using the pre exhaust system the last decade or so, im not getting any younger n this type of training suits me fine. i dont have to kill my joints with heavy weights n i still get in great sets n great workouts without over taxing my nervous system n i found im making good progress to boot
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yeah muscle recovery goes like this:
soreness, tiredness, feeling ok again, feeling full again.this is when its ready again.
but he has the aestics level of bud spencer, why listen to that?
i tell u when u are really delusional natural you will think hey this guy will help me to finally get the gains
then it doesnt work
then u try something else
and so on
untill quitting or taking a needle with roidsd
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i tell u when u are really delusional natural you will think hey this guy will help me to finally get the gains
then it doesnt work
then u try something else
and so on
untill quitting or taking a needle with roidsd
i didnt touch a steroid till i had 4 or 5 years of natural training under my belt, i think thats the best way. i see guys these days that never lifted n want to go on the juice as soon as they start training ??? i think thats a big mistake though
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i didnt touch a steroid till i had 4 or 5 years of natural training under my belt, i think thats the best way. i see guys these days that never lifted n want to go on the juice as soon as they start training ??? i think thats a big mistake though
i trained since i was like 12-24 and didnt start juicin untill recently at 25 lol
at 22 i was still full blown delusional, had some lying juicers tell me if i kept it up i'd be huge by 30
i was like "oh sweeeeet"
then no still no progress the next three years
and i was like
"the fuck"
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In it's most simple terms a bodybuilder's muscle is a strength endurance one. If getting stronger was the only magic bullet we would all be training for sets of one rep after warm up so we could get stronger. To make a muscle bigger you have to train it to keep up with muscular endurance.
Doing say 4 sets of 10 failing at 8 reps on the last set will get every fiber. A muscle fiber is completely on or off. Doing one set to failure doesn't mean you hit every fiber. It just means you couldn't complete another rep with the fibers available. Two sets is better than one set. Three sets is better than two but it's a diminishing return.
The argument that all bodybuilders trained for strength in their early years is very true. That would mean that their current training with volume was a waste of time which is far from the truth. The over whelming amount of bodybuilding champs used volume. There are very few true intensity champs like Yates. The out right lies about champs that used HIT is just criminal.
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In it's most simple terms a bodybuilder's muscle is a strength endurance one. If getting stronger was the only magic bullet we would all be training for sets of one rep after warm up so we could get stronger. To make a muscle bigger you have to train it to keep up with muscular endurance.
Doing say 4 sets of 10 failing at 8 reps on the last set will get every fiber. A muscle fiber is completely on or off. Doing one set to failure doesn't mean you hit every fiber. It just means you couldn't complete another rep with the fibers available. Two sets is better than one set. Three sets is better than two but it's a diminishing return.
The argument that all bodybuilders trained for strength in their early years is very true. That would mean that their current training with volume was a waste of time which is far from the truth. The over whelming amount of bodybuilding champs used volume. There are very few true intensity champs like Yates. The out right lies about champs that used HIT is just criminal.
you mean very false, right?
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i trained since i was like 12-24 and didnt start juicin untill recently at 25 lol
at 22 i was still full blown delusional, had some lying juicers tell me if i kept it up i'd be huge by 30
i was like "oh sweeeeet"
then no still no progress the next three years
and i was like
"the fuck"
u did the right thing, u trained natural for alot of years which is cool. id like to see more guys stay natural as long as possible than if they decide to juice thats their choice n thats okay.
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u did the right thing, u trained natural for alot of years which is cool. id like to see more guys stay natural as long as possible than if they decide to juice thats their choice n thats okay.
no i really regret it lol
those days i trained so fucking hard
i should have had roids back then
and big muscles are more fun to have as an adolescent who isnt just a drone in the daily routine of working
same old story....
but i'm glad i got the finasteride shit figured out before jumping on dbol and winstrol and nuking my hair
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In it's most simple terms a bodybuilder's muscle is a strength endurance one. If getting stronger was the only magic bullet we would all be training for sets of one rep after warm up so we could get stronger. To make a muscle bigger you have to train it to keep up with muscular endurance.
Doing say 4 sets of 10 failing at 8 reps on the last set will get every fiber. A muscle fiber is completely on or off. Doing one set to failure doesn't mean you hit every fiber. It just means you couldn't complete another rep with the fibers available. Two sets is better than one set. Three sets is better than two but it's a diminishing return.
The argument that all bodybuilders trained for strength in their early years is very true. That would mean that their current training with volume was a waste of time which is far from the truth. The over whelming amount of bodybuilding champs used volume. There are very few true intensity champs like Yates. The out right lies about champs that used HIT is just criminal.
the training doesn't matter at all, unless you either hurt yourself or don't tax yourself whatsoever.
see pyrros dimas... bber legs, but probably did mostly sets of 1
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the training doesn't matter at all, unless you either hurt yourself or don't tax yourself whatsoever.
see pyrros dimas... bber legs, but probably did mostly sets of 1
ridiculous exageration
he has well developed legs but not close to a pro bber
(http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/images/i_athletes/b55.jpg)
(http://www.hardcorebodybuildingontheweb.com/precontestbible/Jay_Cutler_1.jpg)
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ridiculous exageration
he has well developed legs but not close to a pro bber
(http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/images/i_athletes/b55.jpg)
(http://www.hardcorebodybuildingontheweb.com/precontestbible/Jay_Cutler_1.jpg)
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you compare him to jay cutler, who outweighs him by like 100 lbs? compare him to a bber who weighs 180
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you compare him to jay cutler, who outweighs him by like 100 lbs? compare him to a bber who weighs 180
that would be pointless because weightlifters weight distribution is totall bottom heavy etc etc etc funcitonailty blabla
comparing by height would make more sense
in that case
(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/30664d1253930501-branch-warrens-legs-img_9756.jpg)
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(http://www.seryakstrength.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/PyrrosDIMAS.jpg)
has never done a bench press in his life, probably
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that would be pointless because weightlifters weight distribution is totall bottom heavy etc etc etc funcitonailty blabla
comparing by height would make more sense
in that case
(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/30664d1253930501-branch-warrens-legs-img_9756.jpg)
lol, branch's dose is probably like 3x pyrros', or more. compare him to a fake natural like layne, or ogus, this is what i had in mind.
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dude, with all due respect, when are you going to see the fucking light, man?
you've been harping on "progressive overload" for years now. what has this gotten you? have you posted recent pictures? i don't mean to be rude, but it's just mind-boggling how stubbornly you insist on the importance hard training when it seems like you've been spinning your wheels from the beginning... and now you're using steroids, too? any results?
that's true i do harp on about progressive overload but the funny thing is even though i went on and on about it i WAS NOT able to add weight to the bar even on roids at the beginning (hence the reason why my muscles didn't get bigger) lol
so i didn't gain anything coz my fucking training loads stayed the same
not so long ago i took my dumbbell row from 90 pounds for 15 reps to 125 pounds for 10 reps and my lats and delts did indeed get bigger (i sent pics of this gain to mr. nobody, boraccho, and njflex, so they can testify to this)
just recently my weighted push-up training loads have went up and my pecs are thicker and fuller, and again mr. n, boraccho, and njflex will see this on weds and they can verify what i say is true
the funny thing is, i'm bigger now on less roids ??? ??? ???
but i attribute this to the fact that i overcame the fear of re-injuring a bad shoulder injury that i had a few years ago, which allowed me to push harder to increase my training loads and also to an improvement in "diet"
yeah, ok... i was a complete d!ckhead bout "diet" and i paid the price for it with my goddamn stubborness, but now i'm finally starting to see the light ;D
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(http://www.seryakstrength.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/PyrrosDIMAS.jpg)
has never done a bench press in his life, probably
where do people get this idea? it is totally wrong
professional olympic lifters do bench presses, rows, curls....
how do i know? from watching their training videos and talking to a former national weightlifting coach of ukraine
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/4/3/43530-russian_bench.jpg)
this bullshit must end once and for all
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lol, branch's dose is probably like 3x pyrros', or more. compare him to a fake natural like layne, or ogus, this is what i had in mind.
where do you get this idea?
the greek weightlifters are notorious for grotesque PED abuse
they use tons of AAS, HGH and insulin
i dont want to sound like an asshole
but this and your former wrong idea on their training is typical falsehoods people believe without good reason
VERY VERY WRONG
hope this helps
peace
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I think muscle growth when lifting is mostly about how you contract the muscles during lifts. How you squeeze the reps. All about mind/muscle connection.
My homeboy kai greene said the same thing, and he knows his stuff.
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where do people get this idea? it is totally wrong
professional olympic lifters do bench presses, rows, curls....
how do i know? from watching their training videos and talking to a former national weightlifting coach of ukraine
(http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/4/3/43530-russian_bench.jpg)
this bullshit must end once and for all
i know it's an exaggeration, but the point is, give him a better set of arms and what you have is basically a fake-natural bodybuilder. yet his training is vastly different.
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where do you get this idea?
the greek weightlifters are notorious for grotesque PED abuse
they use tons of AAS, HGH and insulin
i dont want to sound like an asshole
but this and your former wrong idea on their training is typical falsehoods people believe without good reason
VERY VERY WRONG
hope this helps
peace
you think a top 10 mr olympia competitor and a weightlifter are on similar doses of PED?
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i know it's an exaggeration, but the point is, give him a better set of arms and what you have is basically a fake-natural bodybuilder. yet his training is vastly different.
yes but he is taking enormously more juice than a typical fake natural
so this proves weightlifting training is a very juice-inefficient way of building size
no wonder, as it is mostly neurological adaptation and they get most of their juice effects this way
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you think a top 10 mr olympia competitor and a weightlifter are on similar doses of PED?
it would probably be comparable
don't be fooled by the innocent appearance of a guy like pyrros dimas, what he does to the weights is inhuman performance
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yes but he is taking enormously more juice than a typical fake natural
what makes you think that?
here's "natural" kiyoshi moody:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTSVFkeIQFKNCTV7cLkotcf83ZjIIcPhWzO5E0UD642puFkUhDU)
legs not too much better than pyrros, i bet
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what makes you think that?
the same things that make getbig think they know what the ifbb pros are taking
rumors basically, insiders, whatever
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what causes a muscle to grow from training
why are we here
you need both
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what makes you think that?
here's "natural" kiyoshi moody:
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTSVFkeIQFKNCTV7cLkotcf83ZjIIcPhWzO5E0UD642puFkUhDU)
legs not too much better than pyrros, i bet
haha oh shit this passes for a fake natural?
i was thinking something much smaller
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i've watched a lot of training videos on weightlifters. i rarely see them bench or anything like that, but they probably just don't record these exercises as much.
i know the chinese lifters incorporate a huge amount of retardedly worthless exercises, including all sorts of random abs stuff and funny gimmick shit nobody even would think to do over here. on the other hand you have the bulgarian style which is to do like 5 exercises only, ever.
basically, over the years, i've come to the conclusion it's all a bunch of shit. there is practically no factor that is consistent across all the various samples. i've even heard of a guy who had 34 inch quads by doing 135 on squat for 8 minute sets, nothing else. i tried a version of this for myself, using 115 and my legs got bigger, if anything (definitely didnt shrink). far from "usual bodybuilding" fare and could be explained away 100 different ways by the dogmatists, but in the end these people usually haven't tried it for themselves. how can one even really measure and test all the different theories? you can't, in practice, so all the hardcore HITers or volumers or doggcrappers or Tnationers or whomever are basically mindless zealots.
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i've watched a lot of training videos on weightlifters. i rarely see them bench or anything like that, but they probably just don't record these exercises as much.
i know the chinese lifters incorporate a huge amount of retardedly worthless exercises, including all sorts of random abs stuff and funny gimmick shit nobody even would think to do over here. on the other hand you have the bulgarian style which is to do like 5 exercises only, ever.
basically, over the years, i've come to the conclusion it's all a bunch of shit. there is practically no factor that is consistent across all the various samples. i've even heard of a guy who had 34 inch quads by doing 135 on squat for 8 minute sets, nothing else. i tried a version of this for myself, using 115 and my legs got bigger, if anything (definitely didnt shrink). far from "usual bodybuilding" fare and could be explained away 100 different ways by the dogmatists, but in the end these people usually haven't tried it for themselves. how can one even really measure and test all the different theories? you can't, in practice, so all the hardcore HITers or volumers or doggcrappers or Tnationers or whomever are basically mindless zealots.
the chinese training thing you mention is a more realistic idea of a professional weightlifters training
weightlifters do much more than the lifts, they run, do calisthenics and a lot of assistance exercises
how do you think some of them are so muscular all over, not from just doing those few lifts that are all legs
but you are definitely right with the "there is no system" idea, in fact it's a very enlightened profound realization
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Robert Foerstemann does a combination of heavy weights low reps, and lighter loads with lots of reps. They key is to get stronger with low reps and than translate that strength to be able to perform higher reps with a reletively heavy loads. Elite leg genetics also helps.
i.e someone who can squat 150kg for 20 reps will have bigger legs that the same person who can only do 120kg for 20. The easiest way to increase your 20 rep max is to increase your strength in the low rep ranges 1 - 5 reps. If the 120kg for 20 reps guy increases his 1RM from 150kg to 180kg, then 120kg will feel lighter and then the 20RM can be increase which will lead to hypertrophy etc.
This probably matters less and less the more PEDs you take.
A good training routine for naturals or low PED usage is full body workouts with compound movements, on one workout day try to work on increasing the 5 rep max range, take a few rest days and in the next workout work on increasing the 10 -20 rep max. So heavy (strength) days, rest a few days, light (hypertrophy) day, rest a few days, back to heavy etc. A synergistic effect will be occuring between the two workouts.
Blasting each body part once a week bodybuilding high volume splits doesn't do shit for me except make me sore all week. You need lots of PEDS for this to work.
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i googled "starting strength" again for pics
lol
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has nothing to do with steroids etc.nothing.
theres similiar "phenomenon", some serbian canoo athlete, his arms are quite something.must be from canoo rowing
Pro cyclists can't go crazy on the PEDs like pro bodybuilders due to random drug testing. He'd be on low dosages of fast acting compounds plus gh peps.
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gal, are you saying this guy was born with crazy arms?
i've always wondered why i always seem to see guys, even naturals, with crazy legs, but never chest, arms, back etc. i don't think i've ever seen even close to the seemingly natural variation in legs (thighs and calves) in any other muscle group.
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not impressed
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They cyclist legs are more impressive considering 10 times less anabolics were used to build them. Also Ronnie Coleman trained heavy as fuck in his videos.
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They cyclist legs are more impressive considering 10 times less anabolics were used to build them. Also Ronnie Coleman trained heavy as fuck in his videos.
do you actually believe this bullshit?
that would mean he is 10 times more responsive to anabolic than ronnie coleman, the freakiest bb of all time ::)
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you mean very false, right?
No, true. Most bodybuilders in their early years trained for strength. Arnold and Franco power lifted. Sergio Oliva was an Olympic weight lifter. Mentzer was squatting 500 pounds at 16 years old. Zane power lifted in his youth. Chris Dickerson competed in the AAU Mr. America contest in his early years where you had to Olympic lift to get your athletic points. Samir the lion of Lebanon was an Olympic lifter. I could go on.
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Those bike sprint racers have incredible legs. I wonder how many reps of spinning the pedals they put in during a training session?
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do you actually believe this bullshit?
that would mean he is 10 times more responsive to anabolic than ronnie coleman, the freakiest bb of all time ::)
Do you really think that a pro cyclist who is randomly drug tested year round would be taking bodybuilder drug stacks and dosages. That would be career suicide. They are a bit smarter than that.
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Do you really think that a pro cyclist who is randomly drug tested year round would be taking bodybuilder drug stacks and dosages. That would be career suicide. They are a bit smarter than that.
pro cycling is the cleanest sport of sports
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here's a theory i've wondered about:
suppose if you lift weights "hard enough" an "all or nothing" hypertrophy-inducing signal gets sent to your muscles. how effective this signal is depends on genetics and hormone levels, but not how hard you lifted (hence, "all or nothing") beyond the "hard enough" threshold, of course.
whether high reps/low weight or low reps/high weight both could get the signal going. bodybuilders ended up adopting high reps/low weight because they could trigger the signal this way without hurting their joints as much. smart bodybuilders (lee haney, vince taylor) realized they could trigger the signal even without lifting that much weight at all, and ignored all the theories of "no pain, no gain" etc. they discovered certain muscle sensations that indicated the signal was sent, and sought those ("listening to the body") instead of "going to failure" or "shredding the fibers" -- alternate theories which led to injury anyway, and were simply excessive.
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pro cycling is the cleanest sport of sports
They take LOW DOSAGES to evade getting caught, eg Lance Armstrong and teammates took oral andriol which has a short half life and also transdermal patches, very low dosages.
Floyd Landis was unlucky being tested right after the race, test to epi test ratio out of whack due to transdermal patch. If he was tested a few hours later he would be in the clear.
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here's a theory i've wondered about:
suppose if you lift weights "hard enough" an "all or nothing" hypertrophy-inducing signal gets sent to your muscles. how effective this signal is depends on genetics and hormone levels, but not how hard you lifted (hence, "all or nothing") beyond the "hard enough" threshold, of course.
whether high reps/low weight or low reps/high weight both could get the signal going. bodybuilders ended up adopting high reps/low weight because they could trigger the signal this way without hurting their joints as much. smart bodybuilders (lee haney, vince taylor) realized they could trigger the signal even without lifting that much weight at all, and ignored all the theories of "no pain, no gain" etc. they discovered certain muscle sensations that indicated the signal was sent, and sought those ("listening to the body") instead of "going to failure" or "shredding the fibers" -- alternate theories which led to injury anyway, and were simply excessive.
From wikipedia
"Myofibrillar vs. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy
In the bodybuilding and fitness community and even in some academic books skeletal muscle hypertrophy is described as being in one of two types: Sarcoplasmic or myofibrillar. According to this theory, during sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, the volume of sarcoplasmic fluid in the muscle cell increases with no accompanying increase in muscular strength, whereas during myofibrillar hypertrophy, actin and myosin contractile proteins increase in number and add to muscular strength as well as a small increase in the size of the muscle. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is characteristic of the muscles of certain bodybuilders while myofibrillar hypertrophy is characteristic of Olympic weightlifters.[15] These two forms of adaptations rarely occur completely independently of one another; one can experience a large increase in fluid with a slight increase in proteins, a large increase in proteins with a small increase in fluid, or a relatively balanced combination of the two."
This is impying that for optimal hypertrophy one should use a combination of low reps higher weight and high reps lower weight.
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From wikipedia
"Myofibrillar vs. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy
In the bodybuilding and fitness community and even in some academic books skeletal muscle hypertrophy is described as being in one of two types: Sarcoplasmic or myofibrillar. According to this theory, during sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, the volume of sarcoplasmic fluid in the muscle cell increases with no accompanying increase in muscular strength, whereas during myofibrillar hypertrophy, actin and myosin contractile proteins increase in number and add to muscular strength as well as a small increase in the size of the muscle. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is characteristic of the muscles of certain bodybuilders while myofibrillar hypertrophy is characteristic of Olympic weightlifters.[15] These two forms of adaptations rarely occur completely independently of one another; one can experience a large increase in fluid with a slight increase in proteins, a large increase in proteins with a small increase in fluid, or a relatively balanced combination of the two."
This is impying that for optimal hypertrophy one should use a combination of low reps higher weight and high reps lower weight.
people conclude that "sarcoplasmic hypertrophy" = high reps, low weight while "myofibrillar hypertrophy" = low reps, high weight, while i somehow doubt that's the case. i looked up the source for citation 15, "science and practice of strength training" which seems to imply this, and funny enough it's a book i always wanted to read, and had on my amazon wish list. i really wonder how they came to this conclusion... maybe they sliced open munzer and noticed a lot of liquid pouring out?
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i think training as hard as possible is more beneficial for powerlifting than bb
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i think training as hard as possible is more beneficial for powerlifting than bb
you've definitely put on size recently, so... have your training loads increased?
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you've definitely put on size recently, so... have your training loads increased?
i dont really know
decline bench press definitely went up
military press as well
squats is still not close to my natural best
but i didnt squat for months and months
and when natural i lived and breathed "the magical exercise"
also quit deadlifting
all in all i'm doing a lot more volume
not really concerned with the weight too much, just take a weight i strugle with for good volume sets with proper form
definitely not adding microweights etc like i used to in the past
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so have you put most of your new size on your upper body then?
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so have you put most of your new size on your upper body then?
i guess but i did gain 1cm on my calves
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i used to train calves like 3 or 4 days a week n got nothing out of it, then i switched to the regular routine of just hitting them once every 5th day and went fairly heavy n they started growing. i remember when i was younger these guys at the gym told me to train calves everyday ???
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i used to train calves like 3 or 4 days a week n got nothing out of it, then i switched to the regular routine of just hitting them once every 5th day and went fairly heavy n they started growing. i remember when i was younger these guys at the gym told me to train calves everyday ???
that's interesting as there does seem to be an optimal frequency for training each bodypart
i think that training each bodypart just once a week is under-training and that twice a week or more precisely once every 4 or 5 days is optimum
lyle mcdonald says to hit each muscle once every 3-5 days and AJ said not less then once every 4 days in his earlier writings
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remember my legacy
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why not 5 sets of 8-12 to failure?
each set to failure
so taking less weight every set or every few sets
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I TRIED that for three months- NEVER again without a proper Steroid cycle!!
Holy crap I was in PAIN every day- could barely put on my seat-belt in my car because my Triceps were just throbbing!!
Just forget it without PED's and LOTS of Protein + extra Glutamine, lots of Calcium/Magnesium and digestive enzymes...
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I TRIED that for three months- NEVER again without a proper Steroid cycle!!
Holy crap I was in PAIN every day- could barely put on my seat-belt in my car because my Triceps were just throbbing!!
Just forget it without PED's and LOTS of Protein + extra Glutamine, lots of Calcium/Magnesium and digestive enzymes...
you did 5 sets til failure for each exercise that you trained ??? ??? ???
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I TRIED that for three months- NEVER again without a proper Steroid cycle!!
Holy crap I was in PAIN every day- could barely put on my seat-belt in my car because my Triceps were just throbbing!!
Just forget it without PED's and LOTS of Protein + extra Glutamine, lots of Calcium/Magnesium and digestive enzymes...
there must be something wrong with me... everytime i read stories like this they seem utterly absurd, but they are SO common! there was never a point in my life where i could ever get this kind of soreness, no matter what i did. maybe there is some exaggeration ???
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all you retards in here whining about what 'optimal training frequency' is the best, what rep range to use and all the other shit listen closely and learn something.
in the past 40 years since the golden era of bbing, with all the advances in nutrition, drugs/ dosing, and training methodology gyms should be FULL of guys that look like arnold, serge nubret, franco, dave draper etc etc right?
but there arent. you dont see guys like that everywhere. look in the mirror, as close as your going to get to looking like lee labrada or bob paris is... NEVER. in fact theres even more pencil necks roaming around gym floors (and in this thread) than ever before.
it comes down to GENETICS- response to drugs, response to stimulus, your bodies ability to utilise macronutrients. all the fucking 'optimal training frequencies' haha oh brother will never help you if you don t have genetcis. so keep looking for the magic key kids cause there isnt one.
if your a pencil neck now, thats all your ever going to be.
sorry about your luck.
carry on.
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all you retards in here whining about what training system is the best, what rep range to use and all the other shit listen closely and learn something.
in the past 40 years since the golden era of bbing, with all the advances in nutrition, drugs/ dosing, and training methodology gyms should be FULL of guys that look like arnold, serge nubret, franco, dave draper etc etc right?
no. they arent. in fact theres even more pencil necks roaming around gym floors (and in this thread) than ever before.
it comes down to GENETICS- response to drugs, response to stimulus, your bodies ability to utilise macronutrients. all the fucking training theory will never help you if you don t have it. so keep looking for the magic key kids cause there isnt one.
if your a pencil neck now, thats all your ever going to be.
carry on.
Exactly.
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all you retards in here whining about what 'optimal training frequency' is the best, what rep range to use and all the other shit listen closely and learn something.
in the past 40 years since the golden era of bbing, with all the advances in nutrition, drugs/ dosing, and training methodology gyms should be FULL of guys that look like arnold, serge nubret, franco, dave draper etc etc right?
but there arent. you dont see guys like that everywhere. look in the mirror, as close as your going to get to looking like lee labrada or bob paris is... NEVER. in fact theres even more pencil necks roaming around gym floors (and in this thread) than ever before.
it comes down to GENETICS- response to drugs, response to stimulus, your bodies ability to utilise macronutrients. all the fucking 'optimal training frequencies' haha oh brother will never help you if you don t have genetcis. so keep looking for the magic key kids cause there isnt one.
if your a pencil neck now, thats all your ever going to be.
sorry about your luck.
carry on.
Excellent post, this is gold^^^
Welcome back no one, where have you been? 8)
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Excellent post, this is gold^^^
Welcome back no one, where have you been? 8)
hey dude!
honestly i went offline totally for about 6 months or so. didnt even creep here. but GB will always be home- no matter how far you go you always come back.
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hey dude!
honestly i went offline totally for about 6 months or so. didnt even creep here. but GB will always be home- no matter how far you go you always come back.
Ya I know what you mean, sometimes you need the layoff, good to have you back bro.
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Ya I know what you mean, sometimes you need the layoff, good to have you back bro.
cheers. :)
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getting a pump is extremely important if hypertrophy is your main objective!!
you must train with moderate weights and focus on the mind to muscle connection!!
forget the powerlifting.......focus on feeling the muscle work and contract.......don't listen to negativity either......keep things positive.
eat, sleep and then you will grow.......keep things simple and don't over think things.
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getting a pump is extremely important if hypertrophy is your main objective!!
you must train with moderate weights and focus on the mind to muscle connection!!
forget the powerlifting.......focus on feeling the muscle work and contract.......don't listen to negativity either......keep things positive.
eat, sleep and then you will grow.......keep things simple and don't over think things.
yes..i agree. I have always thought this George. If just using heavy weights was all that was needed..we would all be big. Moderate is better for me too. I do not train with huge weights. Agree with the pump...gorge the muscles with blood...you can feel and see the pump so it is not a myth...
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yesterday evening i did some chest and back at home. Parallel bar dips and undergrip sternum chins(supersets) Barbell rows with push ups using push up bars.... the last exercises were DB shrugs and flys(flat) the last 2 were not supersetted... my shoulders are solid today because of the dips.. i really got such a pump. my arms back and chest...shoulders ..the whole upper body. I always liked this split...
chest+back
legs
shoulders+arms
i find at the moment i have not much time to train every Day. I think until the mad rush to train for summer beach bodies is over then i will stick to this. After a full Day training people i just want to go home and get peace. If i try to train at work, i´m always being asked things..I do not mind but i need to train too!!
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HIT training is garbage. Do that as a Natural and you will get ZERO progress.
epic truth
marine approved
mentzer LOOked thicked as fuck but was a retard trying t osound logical
hit = the worst for natties
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all you retards in here whining about what 'optimal training frequency' is the best, what rep range to use and all the other shit listen closely and learn something.
in the past 40 years since the golden era of bbing, with all the advances in nutrition, drugs/ dosing, and training methodology gyms should be FULL of guys that look like arnold, serge nubret, franco, dave draper etc etc right?
but there arent. you dont see guys like that everywhere. look in the mirror, as close as your going to get to looking like lee labrada or bob paris is... NEVER. in fact theres even more pencil necks roaming around gym floors (and in this thread) than ever before.
it comes down to GENETICS- response to drugs, response to stimulus, your bodies ability to utilise macronutrients. all the fucking 'optimal training frequencies' haha oh brother will never help you if you don t have genetcis. so keep looking for the magic key kids cause there isnt one.
if your a pencil neck now, thats all your ever going to be.
sorry about your luck.
carry on.
If you had to design a year long steroid regiment, how would it look like?
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that's interesting as there does seem to be an optimal frequency for training each bodypart
i think that training each bodypart just once a week is under-training and that twice a week or more precisely once every 4 or 5 days is optimum
lyle mcdonald says to hit each muscle once every 3-5 days and AJ said not less then once every 4 days in his earlier writings
yeah because lyle mc donald knows it all
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there must be something wrong with me... everytime i read stories like this they seem utterly absurd, but they are SO common! there was never a point in my life where i could ever get this kind of soreness, no matter what i did. maybe there is some exaggeration ???
Same here. I can get sore but not to the level where I am incapable of doing anything.
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I think I get the most out of Heavy Weight Drop Sets. Start with a Very Heavy Weight and just do drop sets from it, dropping it like 4-6 times and then repeating it for 4-6 rotations.
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If you had to design a year long steroid regiment, how would it look like?
depends on a lot of factors. my goals and your goals might be different- my goals have changed. i want a more athletic look now. i looked like a typical bber last year. this year i want to still hold some good respectable size without looking to ogre-ish. so my compounds of choice have changed and so have my dosages- quite dramatically. you might want that look, so you'll run much heavier doses and the compounds that will help you achieve a certain look.
i'll just tell you what i used to do. first i'd say gh all year long is a must. 4iu ed is all i think anyone really needs to build a really good physique. it'll lean you out nicely and fill you out nicely. i used to use the same 4-5 compounds all year long and just moderate the dose or go off them entirely or cycle them in with eachother. sustanon/prop/tren/anavar/npp as those worked best for me. i really liked npp but found it was really hard on my hairline. so id run tren ace all spring summer late fall and replace it with npp towards the end of the year. same with prop- run that and replace it with a longer ester in the fall. var all summer and stop it in the fall. as for the dosages i was always playing with them to find a sweet spot. but i'll tell you i dont think you'll be disappointed with 700mg prop, 700mg tren ace/wk 40mg var ed and 4iu oh gh a day. dont try this if you dont have a lot of history with this stuff. a good lighter one would go 300mg prop, 300mg tren ace/wk w the 40mg var ed and the gh- i'd have no problem recommending the guy who trains hard and has only done a handful of runs this cycle. your only at 600mg a week injectable and 40mg a day oral and var is pretty forgiving. id play around with eq, mastron and winny but those other compounds i listed i really liked so i'l stick with them for the most part.
so thats it. for me it was finding what compounds my body reacts best to, and using them to get the look i wanted depending on the time of year.
cheers.
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depends on a lot of factors. my goals and your goals might be different- my goals have changed. i want a more athletic look now. i looked like a typical bber last year. this year i want to still hold some good respectable size without looking to ogre-ish. so my compounds of choice have changed and so have my dosages- quite dramatically. you might want that look, so you'll run much heavier doses and the compounds that will help you achieve a certain look.
i'll just tell you what i used to do. first i'd say gh all year long is a must. 4iu ed is all i think anyone really needs to build a really good physique. it'll lean you out nicely and fill you out nicely. i used to use the same 4-5 compounds all year long and just moderate the dose or go off them entirely or cycle them in with eachother. sustanon/prop/tren/anavar/npp as those worked best for me. i really liked npp but found it was really hard on my hairline. so id run tren ace all spring summer late fall and replace it with npp towards the end of the year. same with prop- run that and replace it with a longer ester in the fall. var all summer and stop it in the fall. as for the dosages i was always playing with them to find a sweet spot. but i'll tell you i dont think you'll be disappointed with 700mg prop, 700mg tren ace/wk 40mg var ed and 4iu oh gh a day. dont try this if you dont have a lot of history with this stuff. a good lighter one would go 300mg prop, 300mg tren ace/wk w the 40mg var ed and the gh- i'd have no problem recommending the guy who trains hard and has only done a handful of runs this cycle. your only at 600mg a week injectable and 40mg a day oral and var is pretty forgiving. id play around with eq, mastron and winny but those other compounds i listed i really liked so i'l stick with them for the most part.
so thats it. for me it was finding what compounds my body reacts best to, and using them to get the look i wanted depending on the time of year.
cheers.
your build certainly shows this....works ..
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depends on a lot of factors. my goals and your goals might be different- my goals have changed. i want a more athletic look now. i looked like a typical bber last year. this year i want to still hold some good respectable size without looking to ogre-ish. so my compounds of choice have changed and so have my dosages- quite dramatically. you might want that look, so you'll run much heavier doses and the compounds that will help you achieve a certain look.
i'll just tell you what i used to do. first i'd say gh all year long is a must. 4iu ed is all i think anyone really needs to build a really good physique. it'll lean you out nicely and fill you out nicely. i used to use the same 4-5 compounds all year long and just moderate the dose or go off them entirely or cycle them in with eachother. sustanon/prop/tren/anavar/npp as those worked best for me. i really liked npp but found it was really hard on my hairline. so id run tren ace all spring summer late fall and replace it with npp towards the end of the year. same with prop- run that and replace it with a longer ester in the fall. var all summer and stop it in the fall. as for the dosages i was always playing with them to find a sweet spot. but i'll tell you i dont think you'll be disappointed with 700mg prop, 700mg tren ace/wk 40mg var ed and 4iu oh gh a day. dont try this if you dont have a lot of history with this stuff. a good lighter one would go 300mg prop, 300mg tren ace/wk w the 40mg var ed and the gh- i'd have no problem recommending the guy who trains hard and has only done a handful of runs this cycle. your only at 600mg a week injectable and 40mg a day oral and var is pretty forgiving. id play around with eq, mastron and winny but those other compounds i listed i really liked so i'l stick with them for the most part.
so thats it. for me it was finding what compounds my body reacts best to, and using them to get the look i wanted depending on the time of year.
cheers.
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, my goal is similar to yours.
Good to know even at your heaviest you weren't taking too much drugs.
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you did 5 sets til failure for each exercise that you trained ??? ??? ???
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5 sets, DIFFERENT exercises though: For example, Chest would go Flyes, Dumb-bell Bench Press, Hammer Strength Incline, Hammer Strength Decline, Gironda Dips (weighted).
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i always instinctively believed what you said
but bodybuilding trainers and bdybuilders claim other wise
doctors at first said steroids and etc didn't work and were totally ineffective for building muscle or increasing athletic performance. a lot of people diasagree with that now.
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good post. i remember when i was younger, i would never look at anything that had to do with steroids. i hated even reading about bodybuilding, because i didn't want to spend a lot of time on it outside of the gym. i thought it should be simple, not an end in itself, but an activity you did so that you could feel good when you were doing your daily work (or play).
as a result i mostly read a few things here and there, the most superficial "wisdom" (::)), the most prevalent bullshit: train hard! train to failure! eat lots! etc. etc.
when, years later, i finally looked at how pros train, or really any successful "bodybuilder" of any level trains, i noticed they weren't working very hard. rarely did i ever see someone struggling to complete reps. it was all smooth sailing, from the first rep to the last (at least compared to what i put myself through). the determination i had was almost frightening! i would dread going to the gym, knowing what i was in for. well, the joke was on me... "training to failure", "giving it all you've got", "give the muscle no choice but to grow", LOL. if i were to translate these mantras into my own terms based on what i actually observed, once i finally watched some bodybuildin videos, i'd change it to "train until you get a little tired", "push yourself, but not too much", "get a bit of a pump, then go home... don't overdo it!"
This is often overlooked by many. I was exactly the same once. Did every set to failure along with drop sets or rest pause at times. Why? Because all the bodybuilding literature I indulged in would say so.
"Go hard or go home! Take every set to failure! Anything less than 100% and you won't grow! Blah blah blah!"
Utterly ridiculous.
Most pro's do not take every set to failure. Maybe the last set of an exercise at times but certainly not every set. Sure, some train heavy but they certainly don't go to the max on a set. Former pro's like Kevin Levrone trained heavy but he avoided going to failure most of the time. Watch his vids.
Here are a few clips of Arnold Schwarzenegger training. Notice how he does his sets. No grinding. No pushing to failure. Just strong reps with a slight pause on the last rep or two but certainly not grinding his way to failure. Probably explains how he trained so frequently as he wasn't stressing the cns by not going to failure which allows for far better and quicker recovery.
Going to failure just causes a person to burnout, plateau and can lead to injury. Arthur Jones and mentzer were the worst thing to happen to bodybuilding with their "going to failure" nonsense as I know it's done more harm than good.
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10 year old thread bump
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why not 5 sets of 8-12 to failure?
each set to failure
so taking less weight every set or every few sets
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That would lead to burnout very quick. A better way would be do the first set with a top weight to NEAR failure then drop the weight by 10 to 20% and do back off sets not to failure.
Warm up sets then
100 pounds x 1 set 8 to 12 reps near failure
Drop weight
80 pounds x 3 to 4 sets not to failure.
Much better.
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HIT training is garbage. Do that as a Natural and you will get ZERO progress.
Very true. Hit has been around since 1971, it has a very poor success rate. No top champion has ever used it and no, Yates and mentzer don't count. They did conventional methods to build up first.
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hey rimjob, these people are long gone...