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Until yesterday, the most insane figures I'd ever heard about insulin use in bodybuilding was 45 iu.
Now in the thread about the guy Fromm who just died, we are hearing figures of 60!!!! That's a lot of insulin.
Does anyone in bodybuilding use plain old steroids any more???
What's the most extreme (credible) figure you've heard?
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Until yesterday, the most insane figures I'd ever heard about insulin use in bodybuilding was 45 iu.
Now in the thread about the guy Fromm who just died, we are hearing figures of 60!!!! That's a lot of insulin.
Does anyone in bodybuilding use plain old steroids any more???
What's the most extreme (credible) figure you've heard?
Man, you're so 90s!
It's the combo that makes you big.
60 iu slin, 80iu hgh, 15000mg test, 10000mg other roids, 1kg protein per day and 1kg vitargo PWO
PLUS
Snake oil 3 times a day stacked with nitrotech.
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800 ius!
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Man, you're so 90s!
It's the combo that makes you big.
60 iu slin, 80iu hgh, 15000mg test, 10000mg other roids, 1kg protein per day and 1kg vitargo PWO
PLUS
Snake oil 3 times a day stacked with nitrotech.
Shit man!!! All that stuff, I can just about understand... but nitrotech????? nitrotech???????? Do you have a death wish?????
Everyone knows nitrotech is so damn hardcore it will shut down your kidneys in a month, it's THAT good!!!
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Until yesterday, the most insane figures I'd ever heard about insulin use in bodybuilding was 45 iu.
Now in the thread about the guy Fromm who just died, we are hearing figures of 60!!!! That's a lot of insulin.
Does anyone in bodybuilding use plain old steroids any more???
What's the most extreme (credible) figure you've heard?
For someone to take 45 units at one shot, he did not know what the f**k he was doing.
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Shit man!!! All that stuff, I can just about understand... but nitrotech????? nitrotech???????? Do you have a death wish?????
Everyone knows nitrotech is so damn hardcore it will shut down your kidneys in a month, it's THAT good!!!
If you want to be big, you have to go the hardcore way. ;D
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you would be suprised how many fuckup the IU by simply thinking that the 10mark on the pin is 1iu its all fun and games until they drop dead
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I take all the insulin and nubain I can eat
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I hear our very own STAVIOS decided to UP THE DOSAGE, he's now at 450 iu slin a day, plus all the other goodies!!!!!!
Stavios, if you're still alive and you see this... you won't be around for much longer 8)
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For someone to take 45 units at one shot, he did not know what the f**k he was doing.
hell 45IU of insulin per day is a SHITLOAD of insulin
most people I know only use 5-10IU post workout
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I hear our very own STAVIOS decided to UP THE DOSAGE, he's now at 450 iu slin a day, plus all the other goodies!!!!!!
Stavios, if you're still alive and you see this... you won't be around for much longer 8)
LMAO !!!
It's never enough bro, it's never enough
I plan on hitting the 500 IU of slin a day by the end of the month 8)
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LMAO !!!
It's never enough bro, it's never enough
I plan on hitting the 500 IU of slin a day by the end of the month 8)
God speed... whatever you do man, stay off that damn Cell Mass, it will fuck you up for real!!!
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God speed... whatever you do man, stay off that damn Cell Mass, it will fuck you up for real!!!
Cell Mass !! Are you crazy ?
I'm not touching that thing even with a 10 feet pole
I care too much about my health 8)
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hell 45IU of insulin per day is a SHITLOAD of insulin
most people I know only use 5-10IU post workout
Thats the right way...
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Thats the right way...
Are you saying that, if abusing massive amounts of slin were swallowing massive amounts of jizz, Stavios would be Derek Anthony? ;)
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Are you saying that, if abusing massive amounts of slin were swallowing massive amounts of jizz, Stavios would be Derek Anthony? ;)
BBWWAHAHAHAHAH!!!! I can always count on this board to make me laught out loud at my cube and make everyone stare at me like a jackass. ;D ;D ;D
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Are you saying that, if abusing massive amounts of slin were swallowing massive amounts of jizz, Stavios would be Derek Anthony? ;)
LMAO can't stop laughing ;D
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BBWWAHAHAHAHAH!!!! I can always count on this board to make me laught out loud at my cube and make everyone stare at me like a jackass. ;D ;D ;D
lol, happens to me too all the time. ;D ;D
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LMAO can't stop laughing ;D
Shouldn't you be pinning yourself with your 20th slin needle of the morning, "Stavios"? ::)
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Shouldn't you be pinning yourself with your 20th slin needle of the morning, "Stavios"? ::)
I run out of needles...
but I just decided to use the old dirty ones so I won't miss any slin intake today ;D
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I run out of needles...
but I just decided to use the old dirty ones so I won't miss any slin intake today ;D
If you mix up the slin with some nubain and synthol, I hear it works wonders. One big cocktail of bodybuilding goodness in one huge, filthy, overused needle!!! :)
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There is a National compeitior from Columbus suggest to me that I do 20 units of insulin 3 times a day and to drink a bottle of Gatorade after each shot
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There is a National compeitior from Columbus suggest to me that I do 20 units of insulin 3 times a day and to drink a bottle of Gatorade after each shot
hahahahhaa, did you do it?
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There is a National compeitior from Columbus suggest to me that I do 20 units of insulin 3 times a day and to drink a bottle of Gatorade after each shot
LMAO
maybe he wanted you dead :)
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LMAO
maybe he wanted you dead :)
OK, I confess... it was me.. I meant to off bigmikecox...
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hahahahhaa, did you do it?
FUCK NO!!!! The most slin i've ever used was 6 ius a day and that was pushing it. Insulin works GREATR!!! You get big and full, but I just don't feel right when I do it
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There is a National compeitior from Columbus suggest to me that I do 20 units of insulin 3 times a day and to drink a bottle of Gatorade after each shot
Yeah I really dont think one bottle of gatorade will cut it. :-\ :-\
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LOL.... yeah, let me sip a bottle of Gatorage after taking slin...that's safe and healthy
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LOL.... yeah, let me sip a bottle of Gatorage after taking slin...that's safe and healthy
actually it is safe, it's NOT EATING after taking insulin that's dangerous.
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actually it is safe, it's NOT EATING after taking insulin that's dangerous.
a bottle of gaterade has only 45gr of carbs
so it's ok it you take like 4 units of insulin.
but if you take the usual 10 units after the workout, you need at least 100 gr. of sugar and the 60-70 grams of proteine to actually benefit from the insulin
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a bottle of gaterade has only 45gr of carbs
so it's ok it you take like 4 units of insulin.
but if you take the usual 10 units after the workout, you need at least 100 gr. of sugar and the 60-70 grams of proteine to actually benefit from the insulin
exactly.
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FUCK NO!!!! The most slin i've ever used was 6 ius a day and that was pushing it. Insulin works GREATR!!! You get big and full, but I just don't feel right when I do it
Makes me wonder....1st of all you did 6 UNITS a day. Not IU's. A U-100 or U-50 insulin syringe is measured in UNITS to clarify for the kiddos reading this.
Gee a whole 6? I'm at 30 right now, 10 units 3 times a day. Feel fine. I know what to eat and when to eat it. I know big efen deal. Your whole big and full but not feelng right when I do it comment irritated me is all. So dont do it. ;)
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a guy from the gym took 100 IU of insulin at once because he tought it was 10 IU and called me afterward to tell me he felt sick and was shaking like crazy
surprisingly he isn't dead
aaaaaaaaa stupids mofos ;D
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Makes me wonder....1st of all you did 6 UNITS a day. Not IU's. A U-100 or U-50 insulin syringe is measured in UNITS to clarify for the kiddos reading this.
Gee a whole 6? I'm at 30 right now, 10 units 3 times a day. Feel fine. I know what to eat and when to eat it. I know big efen deal. Your whole big and full but not feelng right when I do it comment irritated me is all. So dont do it. ;)
IU = International Unit
so IU or Units like you call it is the same thing
hope this helps
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I guess when these people are lying in their hospital beds from insulin/diabetes complications after their pancreas shuts down, and on their second heart attack for failing to monitor their hdl and cholesterol levels on their long heavy androgen cycles, and awaiting their kidney transplant from their excesssive"Tren" cycles, they can rejoice in the knowlege that they were once BIG. LOL
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A friend of mine takes 20iu, twice a day and is one of the biggest guys i've seen in person.
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I guess when these people are lying in their hospital beds from insulin/diabetes complications after their pancreas shuts down, and on their second heart attack for failing to monitor their hdl and cholesterol levels on their long heavy androgen cycles, and awaiting their kidney transplant from their excesssive"Tren" cycles, they can rejoice in the knowlege that they were once BIG. LOL
lol, nice post!
Now they will come and say you hate bodybuilding. ::) ::)
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A friend of mine takes 20iu, twice a day and is one of the biggest guys i've seen in person.
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maybe he likes to be diabetic 8)
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10 to max 20 units at the time (before or right after the training) - ONLY!
Which means - if someone trains twice a day than MAXIMUM dosage EVER needed is 2 X 20 IU's/day.
The only time someone will MAYBE do more is - CARB LOADING DAYS...but even than just slightly more...
Hope this helps ;D
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hahahahha, who says bodybuilding isn't about health? ;D
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10 to max 20 units at the time (before or right after the training) - ONLY!
Which means - if someone trains twice a day than MAXIMUM dosage EVER needed is 2 X 20 IU's/day.
The only time someone will MAYBE do more is - CARB LOADING DAYS...but even than just slightly more...
Hope this helps ;D
Correct as always Milos.
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I guess when these people are lying in their hospital beds from insulin/diabetes complications after their pancreas shuts down, and on their second heart attack for failing to monitor their hdl and cholesterol levels on their long heavy androgen cycles, and awaiting their kidney transplant from their excesssive"Tren" cycles, they can rejoice in the knowlege that they were once BIG. LOL
Yea more doom and gloom predictions. When exactly is this going to happen?
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10 to max 20 units at the time (before or right after the training) - ONLY!
Which means - if someone trains twice a day than MAXIMUM dosage EVER needed is 2 X 20 IU's/day.
The only time someone will MAYBE do more is - CARB LOADING DAYS...but even than just slightly more...
Hope this helps ;D
wow props to you for chiming in well appreciated, quick question I understand if you dont want to answer but for someone who can get either hum R or humalog what would they be better off using? or no difference?
thanks
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10 to max 20 units at the time (before or right after the training) - ONLY!
Which means - if someone trains twice a day than MAXIMUM dosage EVER needed is 2 X 20 IU's/day.
The only time someone will MAYBE do more is - CARB LOADING DAYS...but even than just slightly more...
Hope this helps ;D
So while taking 20 units after the workout, you would need to take like 200 gr of carbs at once ?!
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that post workout shake must be really thick, it would make me want to puke
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How about NO INSULIN being the right amount >:(
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How about NO INSULIN being the right amount >:(
You hate bodybuilding!
If you do not condone heavy drug using and dancing half naked, you hate bodybuilding.
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a guy from the gym took 100 IU of insulin at once because he tought it was 10 IU and called me afterward to tell me he felt sick and was shaking like crazy
surprisingly he isn't dead
aaaaaaaaa stupids mofos ;D
does anybody remember reading on the steroid board (i think) about the guy that thought he was taking 5 and 6 i.u. of insulin, but didn't read the syringe or bottle right, and was actually taking 50 and 60 i.u.??? what a retard, some bodybuilders just need to be put out of there missery and shot, maybe even shot up with 1000000 i.u. of insulin so they die immediatly
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How about NO INSULIN being the right amount >:(
If you are going to make dumb comments don't post. BODYBUILDERS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO PUSH THE LIMIT. Yes, we take drugs to improve. Its a fact.
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wow props to you for chiming in well appreciated, quick question I understand if you dont want to answer but for someone who can get either hum R or humalog what would they be better off using? or no difference?
thanks
Big difference...
Pay attention to ONSET, PEAK, DURATION...and see what makes sense for you to use...
Every day - for me HUMALOG or NOVALOG is by far the best - as it is very easy to control...
Carb loading days (when your goal is to keep storing glycogen as long as you can) - maybe R makes more sense...or combination of R and LOG...
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If you are going to make dumb comments don't post. BODYBUILDERS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO PUSH THE LIMIT. Yes, we take drugs to improve. Its a fact.
lol, like i said.
what a retard.
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Big difference...
Pay attention to ONSET, PEAK, DURATION...and see what makes sense for you to use...
Every day - for me HUMALOG or NOVALOG is by far the best - as it is very easy to control...
Carb loading days (when your goal is to keep storing glycogen as long as you can) - maybe R makes more sense...or combination of R and LOG...
Wow Mad scientist is BACK!
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Big difference...
Pay attention to ONSET, PEAK, DURATION...and see what makes sense for you to use...
Every day - for me HUMALOG or NOVALOG is by far the best - as it is very easy to control...
Carb loading days (when your goal is to keep storing glycogen as long as you can) - maybe R makes more sense...or combination of R and LOG...
thanks again truly appreciate it (and im sure many others too but they rather not post)
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Wow Mad scientist is BACK!
Hey Sushi chef - can you pass some wasabi, ginger and a soy sauce?
I never left...I just don't have my "entertainment time" (for boards) anymore due to my new job...
Plus - I banned myself from my own board and don't know how to get back...for almost a week now... ::)
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Hey Sushi chef - can you pass some wasabi, ginger and a soy sauce?
I never left...I just don't have my "entertainment time" (for boards) anymore due to my new job...
Plus - I banned myself from my own board and don't know how to get back...for almost a week now... ::)
Just curious, Why you think that Sushi shef are like joke? ???
I know many great Sushi shef because of my job.....
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thanks again truly appreciate it (and im sure many others too but they rather not post)
Many of you don't realize but I have been answering a lot of questions - when people are asking rather than just "criticising"...
Off course - WHEN I DO HAVE A TIME...
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Hey Sushi chef - can you pass some wasabi, ginger and a soy sauce?
I never left...I just don't have my "entertainment time" (for boards) anymore due to my new job...
Plus - I banned myself from my own board and don't know how to get back...for almost a week now... ::)
lol
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Just curious, Why you think that Sushi shef are like joke? ???
I know many great Sushi shef because of my job.....
I don't think it is a joke...Why would that be a joke?
I thought you are going to love my nickname...
I don't need to call you that...I can always go back to my old "hey fatso..." ;)
No harm intended Rainbow Roll...or Teka Maki Sasaki Teriaky...
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Just curious, Why you think that Sushi shef are like joke? ???
I know many great Sushi shef because of my job.....
Besides - didn't you just call me Mad Scientist?
I love it...just as much as... what was it DCT or DC something...
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I don't think it is a joke...Why would that be a joke?
I thought you are going to love my nickname...
I don't need to call you that...I can always go back to my old "hey fatso..." ;)
No harm intended Rainbow Roll...or Teka Maki Sasaki Teriaky...
Call me Fatso. When I come back to the stage,I will present myself Taka "Fatso" Sakai named by MILOS "The mad man" SARCEV! 8)
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If you are going to make dumb comments don't post. BODYBUILDERS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO PUSH THE LIMIT. Yes, we take drugs to improve. Its a fact.
Wow so quick to be offended ::) forgive me for not being so hardcore that I want to 'push the limit.'
I like how you do it too. Just like the pros ;D How cute.
And saying don't make dumb comment here itelf is a dumb comment.
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Major props to Milos...love him or hate him the guy is bodybuilding legend now...bodybuilding living legend and there is not another human on this earth as versed or as passionate about his pharmacology. He's been hard-wired towards it from the very start...it's what he does moreso than any other person on the planet; gotta respect the legends.
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Call me Fatso. When I come back to the stage,I will present myself Taka "Fatso" Sakai named by MILOS "The mad man" SARCEV! 8)
Is this how you say I LOVE you on Japanese?
Don't blame yourself Fatso...it is completely natural for you to be in love with me (the mad man or mad scientist Sarcev)...
Now, please ease up on rice if you really plan to come on stage...You say - bodybuilding (or circus?) stage... Maguro?
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he is kinda chubby
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Major props to Milos...love him or hate him the guy is bodybuilding legend now...bodybuilding living legend and there is not another human on this earth as versed or as passionate about his pharmacology. He's been hard-wired towards it from the very start...it's what he does moreso than any other person on the planet; gotta respect the legends.
Great post 8)
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Is this how you say I LOVE you on Japanese?
Don't blame yourself Fatso...it is completely natural for you to be in love with me (the mad man or mad scientist Sarcev)...
Now, please ease up on rice if you really plan to come on stage...You say - bodybuilding (or circus?) stage... Maguro?
Yeah.How do you know that i am eating Maguro all day now!?
I dont blame myself dude, i think its gonna be the biggest joke.
Here in spain every people(BBer) know HOW YOU ARE....... ;D
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Question for Milos-Not that this may be of any concern to most "hardcore" bodybuilders, but isn't it very probable if one takes insulin on a daily basis for an extended period of time, their body will stop it's own production of insulin? And if this happens, then won't that person have to take insulin the rest of their life, and in essence become a diabetic? I truly respect your opinion and I have competed myself several years back, before insulin was in vogue, and I'm curious as to what you think?
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Dr. DCM has got his slin doses memorized now.
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Stupid question:
Isn't even more dangerous to take insulin BEFORE your workout, where you're going to be depleting your glycogen stores already???
How is that done safely without crashing into hypoglycemia?
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Stupid question:
Isn't even more dangerous to take insulin BEFORE your workout, where you're going to be depleting your glycogen stores already???
How is that done safely without crashing into hypoglycemia?
Im scared to do it pre but I know people that sip on a high carb drink during the workout and then again after the workout is done. 15 units and 130 gram carb drink right after my workout works well for me ;D
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Stupid question:
Isn't even more dangerous to take insulin BEFORE your workout, where you're going to be depleting your glycogen stores already???
How is that done safely without crashing into hypoglycemia?
Good question, I was asking myself the same thing
I don't see what could be the benefits of taking insulin BEFORE the workout ? ???
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Good question, I was asking myself the same thing
I don't see what could be the benefits of taking insulin BEFORE the workout ? ???
Hey Please train naturaly until 25 at least :-\
You look like good guy and too young. I am sorry for it. :-\
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Hey Please train naturaly until 25 at least :-\
You look like good guy and too young. I am sorry for it. :-\
Me natural = shitty physique
true story :-\
;D
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Good question, I was asking myself the same thing
I don't see what could be the benefits of taking insulin BEFORE the workout ? ???
personally when I started making my pre workout meal the main meal rather then waiting for the post workout meal I put on size way quicker then again I only train max 30-40 minutes
now all my friends who try making the pre workout meal the main meal see way better results
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personally when I started making my pre workout meal the main meal rather then waiting for the post workout meal I put on size way quicker then again I only train max 30-40 minutes
now all my friends who try making the pre workout meal the main meal see way better results
I don't get what you mean
here is how I eat around a workout
+-45 minutes before workout: 2 cups of rice and 300gr of beef
after workout: shake with 100gr carbs and 75 grams protein
when you say "main meal", you say that you would take my postworkout shake BEFORE the workout ? ???
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Me natural = shitty physique
true story :-\
;D
No no. Dont underestimate your power of deep conciousness.
You will surprise how shitty genetic for muscle mass i have when you meet me in person.
I am geneticaly very girlie.
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No no. Dont underestimate your power of deep conciousness.
You will surprise how shitty genetic for muscle mass i have when you meet me in person.
I am geneticaly very girlie.
yeah but you have a nice structure. not super wide clavicules and narrow waist so you can look good even natural
it would take me 15 years to look "ok" with my structure :) (long lanky arms and legs, wide clavicules)
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Question for Milos-Not that this may be of any concern to most "hardcore" bodybuilders, but isn't it very probable if one takes insulin on a daily basis for an extended period of time, their body will stop it's own production of insulin? And if this happens, then won't that person have to take insulin the rest of their life, and in essence become a diabetic? I truly respect your opinion and I have competed myself several years back, before insulin was in vogue, and I'm curious as to what you think?
Tens of thousands of bodybuilders have used insulin in the recent years. If diabetes was a likely consequence we'd be hearing a lot about it. Are we? I haven't heard of a single case. Have you?
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10 to max 20 units at the time (before or right after the training) - ONLY!
Which means - if someone trains twice a day than MAXIMUM dosage EVER needed is 2 X 20 IU's/day.
The only time someone will MAYBE do more is - CARB LOADING DAYS...but even than just slightly more...
Hope this helps ;D
Milos, why did you put the cap at exactly 20IU in a single shot or 40IU per day? More doesn't work better or something else?
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Milos, why did you put the cap at exactly 20IU in a single shot or 40IU per day? More doesn't work better or something else?
I got great results using 40 iu's a day, split into 4 10 iu doses.. I really wouldn't recommend taking more then 10 iu's in a single shot, esp. if it's something you're not used to the onset of hypoglycemia from Humalog can be quite fast. Like everyone else said make sure to have tons of carb drinks around (gatorade, sugary pop, etc.)
The advice I initially got was from a good friend of mine who is IFBB pro, he told me to start off with 5iu's right before and immediately post workout, worked great!.
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The advice I initially got was from a good friend of mine who is IFBB pro, he told me to start off with 5iu's right before and immediately post workout, worked great!.
I just don't understand the logic of taking it before the workout
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I just don't understand the logic of taking it before the workout
That's when your muscle is working... the insulin is helping pump your muscle it's a synergistic effect with blood and nutrients rushing to the muscle, that's a lot of people (myself included) drink amino acids during the workout. Milos briefly touched up on it in another thread a few months back.
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That's when your muscle is working... the insulin is helping pump your muscle it's a synergistic effect with blood and nutrients rushing to the muscle, that's a lot of people (myself included) drink amino acids during the workout. Milos briefly touched up on it in another thread a few months back.
yeah because if you don't take insulin or aminos there's ABSOLUTELY NO NUTRIENTS in the muscle when you train. ::)
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That's when your muscle is working... the insulin is helping pump your muscle it's a synergistic effect with blood and nutrients rushing to the muscle, that's a lot of people (myself included) drink amino acids during the workout. Milos briefly touched up on it in another thread a few months back.
Yeah if you buy Milos' theory it would be beneficial to shoot some preworkout. It's more dangerous though, since intense exercise lowers BG in the first place.
If you time your carbs right you hardly ever feel even a 20IU 'log shot (kids, don't try this at home).
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yeah because if you don't take insulin or aminos there's ABSOLUTELY NO NUTRIENTS in the muscle when you train. ::)
Hahahah...you know what I mean! ;)
it's like creatine loading.. . same reason they put dextrose in with the creatine, to spike the insulin and absorb the nutrients faster/more efficiently.
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I remember a few years ago, someone I know from the boards said that Jeff "Box" Long heard Ronnie Coleman was doing 30iu's/day. Everyone was freaking out, and this was when Ronnie's gut really started to explode- had everyone thinking it was an insane dosage.
There was a guy over at Muscle Mayhem, aptly named "InsulinShock," who was quite the lunatic. Begging people via the net for $$$ saying he needed bail. I can't remember all the crazy shit the guy rattled off on a post per post basis. The one I DO remember, was he said he claimed to "have broken the 100iu postworkout insulin barrier." Many many people were calling him stupid, rightfully so.
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I remember a few years ago, someone I know from the boards said that Jeff "Box" Long heard Ronnie Coleman was doing 30iu's/day. Everyone was freaking out, and this was when Ronnie's gut really started to explode- had everyone thinking it was an insane dosage.
There was a guy over at Muscle Mayhem, aptly named "InsulinShock," who was quite the lunatic. Begging people via the net for $$$ saying he needed bail. I can't remember all the crazy shit the guy rattled off on a post per post basis. The one I DO remember, was he said he claimed to "have broken the 100iu postworkout insulin barrier." Many many people were calling him stupid, rightfully so.
With a number that high, it's physically very hard to match the amount of carbs (even in liquid form) needed to balance the insulin out...the only way I can even think of how is with an IV glucose drip...
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With a number that high, it's physically very hard to match the amount of carbs (even in liquid form) needed to balance the insulin out...the only way I can even think of how is with an IV glucose drip...
What if you just eat ice cream and chocolate?
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With a number that high, it's physically very hard to match the amount of carbs (even in liquid form) needed to balance the insulin out...the only way I can even think of how is with an IV glucose drip...
Don't know. I'm sure the guy was aptly named....Insulin for his "poison of choice," and Shock...well for shock value of course. :P
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Don't know. I'm sure the guy was aptly named....Insulin for his "poison of choice," and Shock...well for shock value of course. :P
I remember his choice of food after shooting insulin. Macaroni and Cheese. seriously.
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you guys have to start doing what the avg schmoe says to do and start thinking on why you should or shouldnt do certain things and as much crap people here talk about milos or others who live bb'ing you should stop and listen and follow and maybe youll reach your goals sooner
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you guys have to start doing what the avg schmoe says to do and start thinking on why you should or shouldnt do certain things and as much crap people here talk about milos or others who live bb'ing you should stop and listen and follow and maybe youll reach your goals sooner
Yeah, I started eating macoroni and cheese. Im on my way.