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Re: Gas: Postcards from the edge
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2008, 09:13:30 PM »
That's not true. If US cut back demand, prices would drop pretty substantially. 

However, the overall point is that cutting back means less of your annual budget goes to gas.... my hybrid saves me a ton over the SUV my mom bought me (which just sits in the garage).


I love hybrids. My next car for my wife will be one.   I love not throwing money away to the big oil guys and saving on some co2....

While it would make sense for the price to drop with demand this is not always the case with republicans at the wheel.........there are alot of screwy things this 8 years.

My friends say the other countries would absorb any of our cutback and nothing will change.   Be interesting to see.

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Re: Gas: Postcards from the edge
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2008, 09:55:51 PM »

I love hybrids. My next car for my wife will be one.   I love not throwing money away to the big oil guys and saving on some co2....

While it would make sense for the price to drop with demand this is not always the case with republicans at the wheel.........there are alot of screwy things this 8 years.

My friends say the other countries would absorb any of our cutback and nothing will change.   Be interesting to see.

demand is skyrocketing, no doubt.  But I work for the guys who actually make the markets, and the biggest factor in our calculations is existing projected US demand. If that changed, current prices would fall drastically and the pendulum would swing the other way in a hurry once the short-sellers piled in.  However, US demand for oil is considered to be as reliable as death and taxes. But we could change that if we wanted

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Re: Gas: Postcards from the edge
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2008, 09:34:50 AM »
demand is skyrocketing, no doubt.  But I work for the guys who actually make the markets, and the biggest factor in our calculations is existing projected US demand. If that changed, current prices would fall drastically and the pendulum would swing the other way in a hurry once the short-sellers piled in.  However, US demand for oil is considered to be as reliable as death and taxes. But we could change that if we wanted



Small gas saving cars are hot sellers now.  That alone will put demand down here.  So if thats true then prices should drop....i hope so.   Have you projected this into your calculations...



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WILMINGTON, Del. - General Motors is closing four truck and SUV plants in the U.S., Canada and Mexico as surging fuel prices hasten a dramatic shift to smaller vehicles.

CEO Rick Wagoner said Tuesday before the automaker’s annual meeting in Delaware the plants to be closed are in Oshawa, Ontario; Moraine, Ohio; Janesville, Wis.; and Toluca, Mexico. He also said the iconic Hummer brand will be reviewed and potentially sold or revamped.

Wagoner said the GM board has approved production of a new small Chevrolet car at a plant in Lordstown, Ohio, in mid-2010 and the Chevy Volt electric vehicle in Detroit.

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Wagoner announced the moves in response to slumping sales of pickups and SUVs brought on by high oil prices. He said a market shift to smaller vehicles is permanent.

The cuts will affect about 2,500 workers at each of the four facilities, although Wagoner did not know exact numbers. Many will be able to take openings created when 19,000 more U.S. hourly workers leave later this year through early retirement and buyout offers.

He said the company has no plans to allocate products to the four plants in the future.

“We really would not foresee the likely prospect of new products in the plants that we’re announcing today that we’ll cease production in,” he told a Moraine, Ohio, city official who asked a question in a telephone conference call.

The moves will save the company $1 billion per year starting in 2010. Combined with previous efforts, GM will have cut costs by $15 billion a year, Wagoner said.

Wagoner said General Motors Corp.’s board approved the production schedule of the Chevrolet Volt, and the company plans to bring the plug-in electric car to showrooms by the end of 2010. The Volt runs on an electric motor and has a small engine to recharge its batteries.

He said the change in the U.S. market to smaller vehicles likely is permanent. “We at GM don’t think this is a spike or a temporary shift,” Wagoner said.

On the Hummer, Wagoner said GM is “undertaking a strategic review of the Hummer brand, to determine its fit with GM’s evolving product portfolio” in light of changing market conditions.

“At this point, we are considering all options for the Hummer brand... everything from a complete revamp of the product lineup to partial or complete sale of the brand,” he said.

The Detroit-based automaker has just emerged from a spate of labor problems, with two local union strikes at key factories and a nearly three-month strike at key parts maker American Axle and Manufacturing Holdings Inc.

GM said in a recent regulatory filing the strikes will cost it a total of $2 billion before taxes in the second quarter.

Detroit’s automakers have been making the shift to more fuel-efficient vehicles, but not at the pace that matches consumers’ drive to hybrids and high mileage models made overseas. Gas prices have accelerated the retreat from trucks and sport utility vehicles, leaving the Big Three at the most critical crossroads in 30 years.

The U.S. market is difficult for every automaker, with consumer confidence weak and 2008 sales expected to be the lowest in more than a decade. But it is most difficult for the Detroit Three, who have relied more heavily on sales of trucks and SUVs than their foreign counterparts. Trucks make up 70 percent of Chrysler LLC’s U.S. sales, for example, compared to 41 percent at Toyota Motor Corp.