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Are these quotes real?
« on: August 08, 2009, 07:38:05 AM »
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US Responses to Dropping the Bomb

"...the greatest thing in history."
- Harry S. Truman
President of the United States during the Atomic Bombing

"It always appeared to us that, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse."
- General Henry H. "Hap" Arnold
Commanding General of the U.S. Army
Air Forces Under President Truman

"I had been conscious of depression and so I voiced to (Sec. Of War Stimson) my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at this very moment, seeking a way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face.' "
- General Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Japan was at the moment seeking some way to surrender with minimum loss of 'face'. It wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."
- General Dwight D. Eisenhower

 "It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was taught not to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying woman and children."
- Admiral William D. Leahy
Former Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

"I am absolutely convinced that had we said they could keep the emperor, together with the threat of an atomic bomb, they would have accepted, and we would never have had to drop the bomb."
- John McCloy

"P.M. [Churchill} & I ate alone. Discussed Manhattan (it is a success). Decided to tell Stalin about it. Stalin had told P.M. of telegram from Jap Emperor asking for peace."
- President Harry S. Truman
Diary Entry, July 18, 1945

"Some of my conclusions may invoke scorn and even ridicule.

"For example, I offer my belief that the existence of the first atomic bombs may have prolonged -- rather than shortened - World War II by influencing Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson and President Harry S. Truman to ignore an opportunity to negotiate a surrender that would have ended the killing in the Pacific in May or June of 1945.

"And I have come to view the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings that August as an American tragedy that should be viewed as a moral atrocity."
- Stewart L. Udall
US Congressman and
Author of "Myths of August"

"Certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."
- U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey's 1946 Study

"Careful scholarly treatment of the records and manuscripts opened over the past few years has greatly enhanced our understanding of why Truman administration used atomic weapons against Japan. Experts continue to disagree on some issues, but critical questions have been answered. The consensus among scholars is the that the bomb was not needed to avoid an invasion of Japan. It is clear that alternatives to the bomb existed and that Truman and his advisers knew it.
- J. Samuel Walker
Chief Historian
U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission
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Re: Are these quotes real?
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2009, 11:35:13 AM »
It's 2009, live for the now.
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Re: Are these quotes real?
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2009, 11:50:07 AM »
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US Responses to Dropping the Bomb

"...the greatest thing in history."
- Harry S. Truman
President of the United States during the Atomic Bombing

"It always appeared to us that, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse."
- General Henry H. "Hap" Arnold
Commanding General of the U.S. Army
Air Forces Under President Truman

"I had been conscious of depression and so I voiced to (Sec. Of War Stimson) my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at this very moment, seeking a way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face.' "
- General Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Japan was at the moment seeking some way to surrender with minimum loss of 'face'. It wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."
- General Dwight D. Eisenhower

 "It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was taught not to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying woman and children."
- Admiral William D. Leahy
Former Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

"I am absolutely convinced that had we said they could keep the emperor, together with the threat of an atomic bomb, they would have accepted, and we would never have had to drop the bomb."
- John McCloy

"P.M. [Churchill} & I ate alone. Discussed Manhattan (it is a success). Decided to tell Stalin about it. Stalin had told P.M. of telegram from Jap Emperor asking for peace."
- President Harry S. Truman
Diary Entry, July 18, 1945

"Some of my conclusions may invoke scorn and even ridicule.

"For example, I offer my belief that the existence of the first atomic bombs may have prolonged -- rather than shortened - World War II by influencing Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson and President Harry S. Truman to ignore an opportunity to negotiate a surrender that would have ended the killing in the Pacific in May or June of 1945.

"And I have come to view the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings that August as an American tragedy that should be viewed as a moral atrocity."
- Stewart L. Udall
US Congressman and
Author of "Myths of August"

"Certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."
- U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey's 1946 Study

"Careful scholarly treatment of the records and manuscripts opened over the past few years has greatly enhanced our understanding of why Truman administration used atomic weapons against Japan. Experts continue to disagree on some issues, but critical questions have been answered. The consensus among scholars is the that the bomb was not needed to avoid an invasion of Japan. It is clear that alternatives to the bomb existed and that Truman and his advisers knew it.
- J. Samuel Walker
Chief Historian
U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission
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Re: Are these quotes real?
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2009, 01:13:48 PM »
They are all correct. 

I'm not saying it was wrong (or right), but that isn't how the History channel presents World War II era opinion on the attacks.
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2009, 07:03:54 PM »
I'm not saying it was wrong (or right), but that isn't how the History channel presents World War II era opinion on the attacks.
The History Channel has gotten considerably worse and worse as time has progressed as they have dumbed down their entire programming and play loose with facts or just outright eliminate them due to trying to fit an entire event in 30 minutes or an hour of programming.


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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2009, 07:49:05 PM »
The History Channel has gotten considerably worse and worse as time has progressed as they have dumbed down their entire programming and play loose with facts or just outright eliminate them due to trying to fit an entire event in 30 minutes or an hour of programming.



They're really getting pathetic.  Fox News of History...  :-\
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2009, 08:25:03 PM »
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US Responses to Dropping the Bomb

"...the greatest thing in history."
- Harry S. Truman
President of the United States during the Atomic Bombing

"It always appeared to us that, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse."
- General Henry H. "Hap" Arnold
Commanding General of the U.S. Army
Air Forces Under President Truman

"I had been conscious of depression and so I voiced to (Sec. Of War Stimson) my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at this very moment, seeking a way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face.' "
- General Dwight D. Eisenhower

"Japan was at the moment seeking some way to surrender with minimum loss of 'face'. It wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."
- General Dwight D. Eisenhower

 "It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was taught not to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying woman and children."
- Admiral William D. Leahy
Former Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

"I am absolutely convinced that had we said they could keep the emperor, together with the threat of an atomic bomb, they would have accepted, and we would never have had to drop the bomb."
- John McCloy

"P.M. [Churchill} & I ate alone. Discussed Manhattan (it is a success). Decided to tell Stalin about it. Stalin had told P.M. of telegram from Jap Emperor asking for peace."
- President Harry S. Truman
Diary Entry, July 18, 1945

"Some of my conclusions may invoke scorn and even ridicule.

"For example, I offer my belief that the existence of the first atomic bombs may have prolonged -- rather than shortened - World War II by influencing Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson and President Harry S. Truman to ignore an opportunity to negotiate a surrender that would have ended the killing in the Pacific in May or June of 1945.

"And I have come to view the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings that August as an American tragedy that should be viewed as a moral atrocity."
- Stewart L. Udall
US Congressman and
Author of "Myths of August"

"Certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."
- U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey's 1946 Study

"Careful scholarly treatment of the records and manuscripts opened over the past few years has greatly enhanced our understanding of why Truman administration used atomic weapons against Japan. Experts continue to disagree on some issues, but critical questions have been answered. The consensus among scholars is the that the bomb was not needed to avoid an invasion of Japan. It is clear that alternatives to the bomb existed and that Truman and his advisers knew it.
- J. Samuel Walker
Chief Historian
U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission

Yep, ...all true, ...but you won't hear that from HelmetHead and his fellow warmongers who like to justify & glorify the most despicable attrocities that take place in the name of war (as long as it's his side committing them)
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2009, 10:27:53 PM »
the history channel should be renamed, The Propaganda Review.  They always leave out the most important shit. and in that regard, they've always sucked. Now they're on to crap programming nobody could possibly give a rats ass about. Ice road truckers, woo hooo... ::)

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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2009, 12:39:37 AM »
Yep, ...all true, ...but you won't hear that from HelmetHead and his fellow warmongers who like to justify & glorify the most despicable attrocities that take place in the name of war (as long as it's his side committing them)

Remember this little South Vietnamese girl?
Her name is Kim Phuc, she was 9 yrs old at the time her village was napalmed by the USA in 1972.
The napalm burned the clothes right off her back, and left 3rd degree burns to most of her body.



The Republican shit-for-brains in office at the time had the audacity to question the authenticity of the photo

Here she is in a photo taken 30 yrs later, you tell me how authentic those burns were.



She now makes her home here in Canada, ...on the outskirts of Toronto.

It took years of being immersed in a nurturing Canadian culture of civility to get over the absolute hatred she felt for Americans. And while she may have forgiven, ...she certainly has not forgotten. That kind of pain, ...you can never forget, ...and of course, she has those scars as a daily reminder. But I guess for some of the asshole warmongers, ...it's perfectly okay to burn children alive, ...even the children of your own allies. {spit}

If it wasn't for that disgusting criminal enterprise known as The Vietnam War, ...you probably would have had universal health coverage back in the 60's or 70's, ...instead of a shattered economy as a result of getting your asses handed to you by the Vietnamese. Ya, ...that tiny little 3rd world backwater country kicked American ass!
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2009, 02:48:30 PM »
For whatever its worth, the Japanese bombings caused a spark that would later turn into the peace movement.
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Re: Are these quotes real?
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2009, 04:17:28 PM »
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If it wasn't for that disgusting criminal enterprise known as The Vietnam War, ...you probably would have had universal health coverage back in the 60's or 70's, ...instead of a shattered economy as a result of getting your asses handed to you by the Vietnamese. Ya, ...that tiny little 3rd world backwater country kicked American ass!

 ::)

Your complete and utter ignorance is showing.  :o

Oh, and it was the VNAF that dropped the napalm on the fortifications outside the village of Trang Bang. The only U.S. forces involved were a few advisors.

Try again.

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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2009, 11:51:15 PM »
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Your complete and utter ignorance is showing.  :o

Oh, and it was the VNAF that dropped the napalm on the fortifications outside the village of Trang Bang. The only U.S. forces involved were a few advisors.

Try again.

Not according to one of the US Airforce who took part in it, ...at least, that's what he told her when he met with her in person. It was very touching & emotional. reunion... for want of a better word.  :-\

ps: And the South Vietnamese would have gotten the napalm where...?
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2009, 05:47:01 AM »
Not according to one of the US Airforce who took part in it, ...at least, that's what he told her when he met with her in person. It was very touching & emotional. reunion... for want of a better word.  :-\

ps: And the South Vietnamese would have gotten the napalm where...?

Yeah, I know the "reunion" you speak of. It was at the Vietnam War memorial in the 90's. The guy us a actually a Rev. and although it makes for a good story, he saw the famous photo and "believed" that he took part in co-ordinating the bombing. There is no actual confirmation that he had anything to do with it.

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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2009, 06:11:58 AM »
Yeah, I know the "reunion" you speak of. It was at the Vietnam War memorial in the 90's. The guy us a actually a Rev. and although it makes for a good story, he saw the famous photo and "believed" that he took part in co-ordinating the bombing. There is no actual confirmation that he had anything to do with it.

You try that excuse in front of a judge.... "But your honour, I didn't actually take part in the bank heist,
...I just 'co-ordinated' it."   ... "Why are you giving me the death penalty? I didn't take part in the actual mass murder, ...I just 'co-ordinated' it."  If people die, during the commission of a crime, ...it's automatically murder. If you're committing a crime with your buddy, ...and he pulls the trigger on someone, ...you are also charged with murder. There's no difference between the trigger man, and the guy who 'co-ordinated' the crime.
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2009, 06:18:31 AM »
You try that excuse in front of a judge.... "But your honour, I didn't actually take part in the bank heist,
...I just 'co-ordinated' it."   ... "Why are you giving me the death penalty? I didn't take part in the actual mass murder, ...I just 'co-ordinated' it."  If people die, during the commission of a crime, ...it's automatically murder. If you're committing a crime with your buddy, ...and he pulls the trigger on someone, ...you are also charged with murder. There's no difference between the trigger man, and the guy who 'co-ordinated' the crime.
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Again, he "believes" he took part in it. He saw the pictures and "thinks" he had something to do with it. He has no proof, it's 30 years later and unless he was 1 of the 2 U.S. advisors who were on the ground at the time then it is safe to say he had nothing to do with it.

So you've gone from condemning the U.S. for actually dropping the napalm bombs to saying a guy (who 30 yrs later thinks he was part of it)  is guilty for possibly, maybe, probably not "co-ordinating" the bombing. The VNAF air-force was called in to attack fortified NVA positions on the out-skirts of the town (not the town itself), the pilot mistook the fleeing civilians as soldiers and dropped the napalm on them.