Scary stuff. Talk about a nightmare for the family. Really sounds like the prosecutor abused his authority in light of the evidence uncovered by the family.
Damn, that must have been crappy.Once prosecutors have you in ther site they will do nothing to let up and they have all the funds available to them.exactly... I'll bet way more people are innocent in prison that people realise. It seems like they'll go after anything to get their case made and are very willing to not investigate any leads and even suppress evidence that goes against their case. Scarry scarry shit... I fear our our law enforcement/judicial system way more than being attacked by Osama. Life is over for you once you've been targeted for prosecution... If it's for something like this, go the closet, pull the gun out and blow your head off. Your life is over.
exactly... I'll bet way more people are innocent in prison that people realise. It seems like they'll go after anything to get their case made and are very willing to not investigate any leads and even suppress evidence that goes against their case. Scarry scarry shit... I fear our our law enforcement/judicial system way more than being attacked by Osama. Life is over for you once you've been targeted for prosecution... If it's for something like this, go the closet, pull the gun out and blow your head off. Your life is over.
There are abuses, but those are the exception. The overwhelming majority of people convicted of crimes are actually guilty, which is how the system is supposed to work.
There are abuses, but those are the exception. The overwhelming majority of people convicted of crimes are actually guilty, which is how the system is supposed to work.how do you know ::)
how do you know ::)
He saw it on FOX news.;D
Dude you love to talk.
how could you POSSIBLY know this?
I mean, you're always asking me to prove things with 3 mainstream sources.
Can you verify your claim?
how do you know ::)
I don't waste my time debating you anymore 240. You're a freakin psychopath. Have you threatened your wife lately, Mr. Scott Peterson? ::)
LOL... please tell me you're not such a liberal wussy that you took offense at my joking about calling her that rather than pay out 15 million like Strahan did?
Man, you're all for dropping bombs on 20 million iraqis because "the news said so" but you can't take a joke?
You're either a hardass or a wussy. Which is it?
Wow, it's amazing it's come to this. You're pro-murder when it comes to invading soverign nations who haven't attacked us yet and carpet bombing their civilians, but when I make one joke about it, you turn into a drama queen.
I can honestly say I don't know anyone who jokes about murdering their wife and child, on a public message board no less. Except maybe psychopaths.
exactly... I'll bet way more people are innocent in prison that people realise. It seems like they'll go after anything to get their case made and are very willing to not investigate any leads and even suppress evidence that goes against their case. Scarry scarry shit... I fear our our law enforcement/judicial system way more than being attacked by Osama. Life is over for you once you've been targeted for prosecution... If it's for something like this, go the closet, pull the gun out and blow your head off. Your life is over.
so you can't back up your claim about prison sentence guilt, the topic of the thread?
you know i was kidding about that. you lost the argument with the red herring, dude.
Oh I don't know. As my kids say, "because I'm smart like that." <==(http://www.getbig.com/boards/Smileys/classic/rolleyes.gif)
Your right! The innocence project and Barry Scheck (sp) have too many people on there agenda that have credible evidence (some one elses dna was used to convict them) that they have a very long waiting list. If your not wealthy enough to afford legal battles your fu----. That is a shame, in america your innocence/guilt can be left to your finances.exactly... I'm all for getting the filthy rotten criminals. I'm all for legit law enforcement... I'm not for prosecuters with quotas and investigators who will do anything to close the case ASAP over getting the right guy. I don't have any idea what is needed to fix the problem, just know it needs fixed.
I think they should really improve the polygraph technology.
The accused should have two options. A normal trial, or voluntarily go under medication and take a polygraph. make that admissable.
what's that link, i'm scared to click it. It won't get me moved up on a watch list will it :D
Beach after sitting back and reading for months I have one conclussion- YOU ARE STUPID AND DUMB. What meeting did you have to attend? From another thread. Arent you a teacher? Teachers have meetings with parents,students and faculty. Why try to make it like you are some big shot flying around to meetings all day? Sorry it was bugging the shit out of me. Everybody else understood what 240 was saying maybe not best choice of person but come on dude your reaching big time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are abuses, but those are the exception. The overwhelming majority of people convicted of crimes are actually guilty, which is how the system is supposed to work.
I'm not sure what fairy town you live in but you need to leave the bubble and live life in the real world. The overwhelming majority of people convicted were guilty before proven innocent, given no chance to win in the system. DA, investigating officers etc etc are more guilty than the real guilty ones serving time
I'm not sure what fairy town you live in but you need to leave the bubble and live life in the real world. The overwhelming majority of people convicted were guilty before proven innocent, given no chance to win in the system. DA, investigating officers etc etc are more guilty than the real guilty ones serving time
I don;t know that i believe that. Why would you say that? what about due process and defense lawyers. I know many guilty people who got off becuase of those things. And i've never known a person in my life who was convicted of a crime they didn;t commit. It seems to me it's far harder to get convictions.
I've talked to a number of public defenders and criminal defense attorneys and they all know that the vast majority of people who are convicted are actually guilty. They know that most of their clients are guilty. I haven't looked at the numbers recently, but typically 90 percent of criminal convictions are upheld on appeal. Groups like the Innocence Project have gotten convictions reversed, which is great, but the numbers are really a drop in the bucket.
And you're right that convictions aren't easy. The burden of proof is entirely on the prosecution, which is the way it should be.
That said, there are inequities in the system. The state and federal prosecutors have a huge advantage over their state and federally funded counterparts. This really impacts people who cannot afford their own attorneys, investigators, experts, etc. I don't think there is much we can do about it (except for those who believe in socialism).
You cannot back up your claim with any real data.
instead, it's vague estimations based upon your recollection of conversations with court folks over the years.
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I don;t know that i believe that. Why would you say that? what about due process and defense lawyers. I know many guilty people who got off becuase of those things. And i've never known a person in my life who was convicted of a crime they didn;t commit. It seems to me it's far harder to get convictions.
OMG, thank you stark :P
lol I'm glad you like themOne fine way to do it is become a member of Booty-Quada. A terrorist network covertly funded by the CIA that strikes the board with political posts that have wonderful spicy/non-nude pictures like this attached :P
I have so many left on my harddrive I dunno when I'm going to upload them.
Hahhaha, not to insult you, but get in the real word. Ya know how many poor people get pushed through the system and charged with crimes (minor to major) everyday? If you are poor; you are f**k--!!!! I know people that have had the ridiculous legal aid attorney take on their case and while reading the chart realizes it's someone elses.
Take a look at a case in the news, the Duke rape case. The kids are innocent and further more they have NO Fuckin evidence against them to prove otherwise YET the moron DA continues to push the case further and further and now handed it off. That guy should be FIRED and he is being charged with a crime that may result in his Lawyer license being revoked. The girl is as credible as a person that wasn't there..
Lawyers spend lots of time learning (being taught) how to become good storytellers and convincing speakers.......They are full of shi-. Any well paid lawyer will tell you that there REAL education came from being in front of jurors and "learning" how to make things sound the way they want and NOT FROM THE LAW BOOKS. The jurors today should have their heads examined. For instance, in some cases they parade a criminal (that has committed the same exact crime the defendant is being charged with) in front of a jury to PERSUADE them into believing the persons guilt. Of course this person gets away with their own crimes while doing this.......And it's legal...I call it B.S.
Of course lots of guilty people also get away with crimes everyday, but like I've always said (and if you know anyone that has been f**k-- by the legal system you would to) that I would rather put a guilty man on the street than a innocent man in prison.
One fine way to do it is become a member of Booty-Quada. A terrorist network covertly funded by the CIA that strikes the board with political posts that have wonderful spicy/non-nude pictures like this attached :P
Right on... are you a member? :PWhy yes, yes I am... I'm the leader, welcome aboard :P
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If this is true i create a new one called terrorbooty.com the conspiracy why the US and other governments denies us the nicest booty on the planet lol
Or maybe you find a better name.
lol I think they finally closed down my board www.radioactivegranny.co m... can you get on it?
If this is true i create a new one called terrorbooty.com the conspiracy why the US and other governments denies us the nicest booty on the planet lol
Or maybe you find a better name.
I would rather put a guilty man on the street than a innocent man in prison.
Hahhaha, not to insult you, but get in the real word. Ya know how many poor people get pushed through the system and charged with crimes (minor to major) everyday? If you are poor; you are f**k--!!!! I know people that have had the ridiculous legal aid attorney take on their case and while reading the chart realizes it's someone elses.
Take a look at a case in the news, the Duke rape case. The kids are innocent and further more they have NO Fuckin evidence against them to prove otherwise YET the moron DA continues to push the case further and further and now handed it off. That guy should be FIRED and he is being charged with a crime that may result in his Lawyer license being revoked. The girl is as credible as a person that wasn't there..
Lawyers spend lots of time learning (being taught) how to become good storytellers and convincing speakers.......They are full of shi-. Any well paid lawyer will tell you that there REAL education came from being in front of jurors and "learning" how to make things sound the way they want and NOT FROM THE LAW BOOKS. The jurors today should have their heads examined. For instance, in some cases they parade a criminal (that has committed the same exact crime the defendant is being charged with) in front of a jury to PERSUADE them into believing the persons guilt. Of course this person gets away with their own crimes while doing this.......And it's legal...I call it B.S.
Of course lots of guilty people also get away with crimes everyday, but like I've always said (and if you know anyone that has been f**k-- by the legal system you would to) that I would rather put a guilty man on the street than a innocent man in prison.
You are a sick sick man, what kind of kinky shit are you into :P
I'd rather do neither. Don't want to see an innocent man spend a day in prison, and don't want a murderer, rapist, or thief running the streets.
Rather means if you HAD to choose 1.....because when you are a juror you HAVE to choose 1.
Which would you choose?
That's all nice and well said i guess, but it's all talk. Simlar to what i said.
You have any facts to back it up with?
Or is all you have opinion and conjecture?
Facts? Ozmo, I just mentioned the CURRENT Duke case.....I now assume you think there IS legit evidence of a crime? Furthermore, if you want facts, simply look to the innocence project and attorney, Barry Sheck. They are handling mostly DNA based crimes and believe it or not lots of people are in prison even though THEIR DNA was not on or around the victim, BUT anothers WAS. That's lots of facts right there, but that only is a small fraction of the many poor people in prison and wrongfully convicted of crimes.
Speaking of the Barry Schecks' innocence project, there recently was a man in Brooklyn released after 18 years in prison. In the EARLY to mid 90's it was declared his DNA did not match the profile of the perpetrator, YET the head da (woman) refused to gie him a new trial or even respond to his case....until Barry Scheck got it 10 years later. She recently ran for office in CT and I think she lost...of course most could see that a person like that doesn't belong in a position to make decisions.
These are all serious crimes. We can not even imagine how many poor people on the streets near a robbery or something get pulled in every day and simply can NOT defend themselves.
How in the world is it fair that a prosecutors office, with unlimited funds, can go against a public defender making 28 thousand a year for 12 hours a day work? You tell me. At least when the rich get accused of a crime (oj) they have the cash to defend themselves and then the whole universe screams out about his "high paid" legal team. I guarantee you one thing, as much money as OJ had, the State of california had more.
What's fair is fair, both the da office and the defendant should be given a attorney at the same level and work load.
Do you think defense attorneys success or not depends on the clients being innocent? NO, it simply depends on the ability of the attorney to "tell a good story", convince and mislead and hope the jury buys it. THE SAME GOES FOR THE PROSECUTORS. The state WANTS people in jail! If a new DA is unsuccessful at putting people in jail he WILL be replaced!
It's a bs game...and that is all it is to the attorneys, a b.s. GAME.
If I was a juror, I would vote to convict if the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused committed the crime. I would vote to acquit if the prosecution did not prove each element of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. That's the choice every juror has. Sometimes there is "jury nullification," where they ignore the evidence, but they all have a choice based on the evidence.
It doesn't have to be a situation where you allow a guilty man to go free to keep an innocent man from going to prison. Neither situation is acceptable. Would you want a child predator to walk . . . and live in your neighborhood?
You raise some legitimate points, but some have to be put in context. The Innocence Project has freed people wrongly convicted of crimes, but it is a comparative handful in light of the thousands of convictions that are upheld on appeal.
There is definitely not a level playing field when it comes to resources, but federal prosecutors and federal public defenders are paid the same salaries. State prosecutors and public defenders in Hawaii make the same too. Not sure about other states.
That's interesting, I was unaware of that. My brother had a public defender that was reading anothers chart and spoke of how overloaded he was and how little he got out of college. That was Ny. Thanks for the info.
Your last question has been asked to me by others that I've had this discussion with. IF the evidence (usually if a crime was legitamitly committed there is evidence) suggested guilt I would vote guilty, however, if the evidence, or lack thereof, did not show guilt i would vote not guilty. Now if it was my kid or a loved ones kid and I knew they were guilty, but were set free I would simply have to find other ways to take care of a situation like that. For instance, if i were Mr. Goldman and I knew my kid was murdered by OJ then I would have to say that, somehow or another, oj wouldn't be playing golf (or anything) these days. God bless Goldman and Nicoles family.
The child predator example is a great one because they are the among worst offenders imaginable. Therefore, I say 1 strike and your out....NO parole on a sexual crime against a person (the date rape and friends or aquaintances thing would need evidence, however). With that in mind, do you know how many times a child has gone to their parents and said the coach or bus driver example) has touched them or something and later found to be lying and made up for either personal thing or attention? many peoples lives have been ruined by this. i once saw a Highway to Heaven show where the bus driver was accussed of this. He was fired, of course neighbors and society turned against him, children were insulted at school and yet, it was FALSE. What a shame because you can not get back a reputation after accusations like that...
Facts? Ozmo, I just mentioned the CURRENT Duke case.....I now assume you think there IS legit evidence of a crime? Furthermore, if you want facts, simply look to the innocence project and attorney, Barry Sheck. They are handling mostly DNA based crimes and believe it or not lots of people are in prison even though THEIR DNA was not on or around the victim, BUT anothers WAS. That's lots of facts right there, but that only is a small fraction of the many poor people in prison and wrongfully convicted of crimes.
Speaking of the Barry Schecks' innocence project, there recently was a man in Brooklyn released after 18 years in prison. In the EARLY to mid 90's it was declared his DNA did not match the profile of the perpetrator, YET the head da (woman) refused to gie him a new trial or even respond to his case....until Barry Scheck got it 10 years later. She recently ran for office in CT and I think she lost...of course most could see that a person like that doesn't belong in a position to make decisions.
These are all serious crimes. We can not even imagine how many poor people on the streets near a robbery or something get pulled in every day and simply can NOT defend themselves.
How in the world is it fair that a prosecutors office, with unlimited funds, can go against a public defender making 28 thousand a year for 12 hours a day work? You tell me. At least when the rich get accused of a crime (oj) they have the cash to defend themselves and then the whole universe screams out about his "high paid" legal team. I guarantee you one thing, as much money as OJ had, the State of california had more.
What's fair is fair, both the da office and the defendant should be given a attorney at the same level and work load.
Do you think defense attorneys success or not depends on the clients being innocent? NO, it simply depends on the ability of the attorney to "tell a good story", convince and mislead and hope the jury buys it. THE SAME GOES FOR THE PROSECUTORS. The state WANTS people in jail! If a new DA is unsuccessful at putting people in jail he WILL be replaced!
It's a bs game...and that is all it is to the attorneys, a b.s. GAME.
If I was a juror, I would vote to convict if the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused committed the crime. I would vote to acquit if the prosecution did not prove each element of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. That's the choice every juror has. Sometimes there is "jury nullification," where they ignore the evidence, but they all have a choice based on the evidence.do you have any idea how many juries do not do this and how many jurors are tired and under attack from the others and just give in to get the fuck out of there... Last week they were enjoying their family time and this week they have several irritable strangers arguing with them. But above all, how common was it that evidence was suppressed by the prosecution, held from the defense, crime labs manipulating results... You say rare... I have read story after story after story of this happening, it is not as uncommon as you think. Nobody wants the bad guy to go, but remember, when crap like this happens, that's exactly what they could be doing...
It doesn't have to be a situation where you allow a guilty man to go free to keep an innocent man from going to prison. Neither situation is acceptable. Would you want a child predator to walk . . . and live in your neighborhood?
do you have any idea how many juries do not do this and how many jurors are tired and under attack from the others and just give in to get the f**k out of there... Last week they were enjoying their family time and this week they have several irritable strangers arguing with them. But above all, how common was it that evidence was suppressed by the prosecution, held from the defense, crime labs manipulating results... You say rare... I have read story after story after story of this happening, it is not as uncommon as you think. Nobody wants the bad guy to go, but remember, when crap like this happens, that's exactly what they could be doing...
I completely agree about 1 and done for pedophiles. From everything I've read and heard, they cannot be rehabilitated. The recidivism rate is astronomical.
But you do have to be very careful. Someone just murdered his neighbor who he thought was molesting his little kid. Turns out the kid may not have been molested. Made national headlines. And there is that infamous McMartin Pre School trial in California years ago. A witch hunt. But those are fondling cases with no physical evidence.
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Beach Bum, i'm not sure if this is the story you were refering to. If it is then you will see my post when it happened saying that (first they MUST determine truth and have evidence and not just the word). I knew the guy did not do it from day 1, as you will see in my response, which a month or so later (as is in the topic discussion) was revealed to be the truth. So I agree you must always know the truth and should never simply react or take the mother or father or kids word for it. These accusations are part of the reason I will NOT convict a person based on heresay, eye witness or just word....evidence or no conviction.