old tren is holly grail - best PH ever - no liver toxic but strong as hell.
19-Norandrosta-4,9 diene-3,17 dione or estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione.
Not converting to Trenbolon but Dienolone (crazy stuff - telling you). Just added it into my new aas cycle after long time - expecting "kick in" next week. Last time I grew just on this and cyp over 20lbs..in 5w
I buy strong 35mg pills - 3x daily - 4of them daily would be probably metal massacre